They’ve Done it Again! | FlyingIron Simulations BF-109G | Review Flight | Microsoft Flight Simulator
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In this video, we take a look at the Flying Iron Simulations Messerschmitt BF-109G, within Microsoft Flight Simulator (MSFS).
We will be reviving "Tannkosh", putting the aircraft through its paces over a Tannheim Aerodrome (EDMT), carrying out an aerobatic display in the Gustav.
Please note this video and all its contents / materials, is for entertainment / simulation purposes only.
PC Specs
ASUS Z790
Intel Core i9 13900K 5.8GHz
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090
64GB DDR4 2666MHz
Hardware
Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog
Saitek Pro Flight rudder pedals
HP Reverb WMR headset
TrackIR5
Earthquake Shell Shoxx transducer
Enjoy the flight!
Imagine a combat flight sim where every single plane in the game was study level with these sounds and visuals. The community is long overdue for something like this. Asobo should work together with the il2 team and irom simulations to make something truly great....My dream, anyway :-(
so basicly dcs but for ww2
Imagine a game perfectly optimized...keep imagine it..
@@justincase9033 DCS has WWII planes and map already, and in my opinion DCS has better sound on the WWII Planes, MSFS did not have the whistling sound from the supercharger.
The combat sim you are looking for is DCS World.
Il2 is.
I have zero authority in this. But I found that warbirds felt different between FS and Combat sims. They feel like heavy GA planes in FS.
Hi Santa Six,
For sure, each sim tends to have its own strengths and weaknesses and high speed aerodynamics / manoeuvring at the edge of the flight envelope, are not strengths of MSFS. I do prefer the flight model of the DCS 109 but, these days I generally just like to cruise around and for that sort of thing, there’s no better sim than MSFS (unfortunately, the maps in DCS just feel a bit dated / restrictive). Your observations generally aren’t unreasonable though. To be fair, I have virtually zero authority on the subject also haha, never having flown a warbird myself.
Cheers and all the best : )
war thunder simulator battles gameplay as it should be
The engine sound in the cockpit is a deal breaker. It sounds like a lawnmower running.
Try listening to the video on something other than a cell phone.
As already said, listen it with proper speakers and then compare it to onboard videos of real one. It's the best 109 sound on any sim out there so far.
Here for example; th-cam.com/video/--2H9Dj9eMY/w-d-xo.html
Or here: th-cam.com/video/JGhMGQst4lo/w-d-xo.html
I totally agree but opposite opinions were to expect. It's a psychological problem. People playing the sim with 2D screen and speakers subconsciously adapt their expectations to TV-like sounds. In that frame of reference the sounds are actually quite good. However a VR + Headphone user expects something way different, which is the sound of a 1000HP V12 engine only one meter away and bolted onto the same frame he is sitting on himself. That is an entirely different matter and most MSFS plane sounds fail in that regard, especially when it comes to the very low frequencies that good headphones actually could deliver. Few match those much higher expectations, like the Spitfire or the DC6 (at least in my opinion). There are several planes however, which are considered excellent, but unfortunately have poor sounds in a VR environment and I dont use them anymore, some I even uninstalled because of that (like the Lightning).
Hey. I'd really like your opinion about a simulation that seems to be great; I refer myself to the Latecoere 631 that looks really well, nut it need a professional eye to complete this view.
Hello Paul Henri,
I would like to make some sort of video with the 631 at some point, but I have something more “artistic” in mind, rather than a typical review. I’ll most likely be taking a look at the B307 first (when time allows) and have a couple of other video projects to follow up on also. In short, I would like to take a look at the aircraft, but it’s not a priory at the moment I’m afraid (I just don’t have enough free time to cover everything).
Thank you very much for the suggestion though! Cheers and all the best : )
What can improve in this ?
Haha, it’s a good question Dale, FlyingIron have done a very nice job with the aircraft! A few little additions I would like to see (though they really are just icing on the cake); a few tweaks to the flight model (FlyingIron are already working on that), more supercharger whine externally and “working” armaments (just with visible muzzle flash effects). Either way though, the 109 is a superb offering and great fun in MSFS overall.
Cheers, all the best! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations keep the vids coming though.did they do the mosquito? Anything merlin/griffin?
Cheers Dale, I shall try my best!
Well, FlyingIron have done a Spitfire, which is also very good, as have Aeroplane Heaven (not up to quite the same standards, unfortunately). Aeroplane Heaven have also made a P-51, though that’s a Packard Merlin I believe. That’s about it at the moment, no Mosquito as yet, though we should be getting a Lancaster from Aeroplane Heaven in the not-too-distant future.
I hope that helps a little. All the best! : )
Can you dogfight with it?
Hi Esben,
Not really; there are no working weapons on the aircraft and PVP / PVE interactions are a little bit janky in the sim. Tail chasing / having some fun with friends, is really all about MSFS is good for in this regards (IL2, DCS etc are much better suited to combat).
I hope that helps a little. All the best : )
Damn the amount of detail is gorgeous... I would love to see the artist responsible recreate vintage WW1 fighters.
WW2*
Flying Iron Sim should make a Ju-87 Stuka or the He-111 bomber...
Looks like it handles properly - good takeoff and landing! They did a nice job with the shaking, pressure needle jumping, etc. I love the 109 in DCS (and did in countless older sims) but after hearing Flying Iron's engine sound I might end up with my first MSFS warbird for that factor alone. Really has the sound of some in-cockpit videos.
Cheers Josef!
Yes, the 109 is definitely a bit of a handful, which I gather was accurate haha. There were one or two flight model issues, but FlyingIron already seem to be working on those (and indeed, they’ve done a lovely job with the aircraft overall). The DCS 109 is excellent, but I love having the entire world of MSFS to explore.
If you do / did pick up the Messer, I hope you enjoy it! All the best : )
Hello Jackson,
You firstly need to make sure that you have the BF109’s prop control set to manual (as demonstrated in the video). After that, I just use my normal prop axis control. The control bindings in MSFS are either “Propeller Axis”, or I suspect “Increase / Decrease Propellor Pitch” would work also (if you don’t have an axis available).
I hope that helps? All the best : )
I don't understand why brits feel the urge to switch the "s" and the "sh" pronounciations in Messerschmitt. It's MeSSerSHmitt. The first 2 are the "s", the second is the "sh". Not "Meshersmitt".
I wouldn't be so hard on our narrator. I cannot think of any non-native speaker who did not foul up pronunciation in another language, even if they are fluent. Even native speakers do not get it correct all the time.
It always sounds very charming when English people speak German. We Germans speak English very harshly and don't always pronounce things correctly.
It’s not an “urge” Jocking, it’s a simple mispronunciation haha. As C-990 points out, I don’t think any of us could claim to be perfect linguists, even in our own languages, let alone someone else’s! To a Brit, the “s” and the “sh” don’t sound hugely dissimilar, whichever way round one puts them. Messerschmitt is an interesting one; the word became part of the English lexicon also and words / pronunciations often tend to change between borders and languages.
You are of course correct; I mispronounced the name, but it wasn’t done intentionally and I highly doubt it lead to any confusion, as to what I was reviewing. I’ll try and get it right next time ; )
All the best!
Il-2 great battle series for ww2 planes, dcs for jets
Aces High is by far the best for ww2 air combat
I do love inertial starters. I got chills from that crank. Having seen a BF-109 decades ago at an airshow where the CAF had a large part and the had some mock "dogfights" and ground attacks including their "Tora, Tora, Tora!" Runs. All with pyrotechnics for the bomb hits. One thing I remember is that sound. Spectacular.
One thing I guess I have to get used to is the censored swastika. I get it but historical accuracy is a point of contention for me but everyone's doing it so unless I want to repaint, I'll have to settle for modern revisionism. On the weapons deal, if the don't want to go TacPac like VRS did, they could simulate the oxygen fired simulated gun fire like you see used at airshows. That keeps it "peaceful" but allows the wannabe airshow pilot do mock attack runs.
On the side, I look forward to your briefings. Oh yeah, headphones are mandatory to enjoy this video. Crank it between narrations when he's showing the outside displays and you won't be sorry.
QUESTION: Did the Gustav have a powered inertial starter or is it a work around to keep from animating a crew member cranking the fly-wheel?
Haha, I very much agree Kyle - there’s something very satisfying about an inertial starter.
That sounds like a fun airshow! I’ve seen at least one 109 over the years and the sound really stuck with me also, specifically the whine of the supercharger (which is maybe lacking just slightly with the FI 109, though the sounds are otherwise excellent).
I nearly made the same point about the swastika. I realise it’s a contentious subject, but I’m no fan of historical revisionism and personally, I’d rather see these aircraft as they flew. The only thing I will say there; these days (sadly?) even the real-world 109’s seemingly don’t have the proper markings, at least not the flying examples I have come across in TH-cam. So FlyingIron has “faithfully” recreated the modern aircraft in that respect. . . I would also like to see working armaments (as we’ve seen with the MILVIZ Corsair) and personally, I think that would be one of the next logical improvements for FlyingIron to make to their products (though I don’t believe they have any plans to do so).
From the little that I know of the 109, I don’t believe it did have an electrical starter (the K variant in DCS still has to be cranked by the ground crew), I think it’s just a concession that FlyingIron have made for the sim (and fair enough!).
Thank you very much once again! I’m glad you enjoyed the video : )
14:03 Slick as always! Warbird aeros are one of my favourite things to do. Top tips for barrel roll: before you pull up, pick a feature 90° off, pull straight up til ‘feet are on horizon’ then loaded roll to pull aircraft nose to your feature. Adjust controls to keep roll and pitch consistent. Aim for same degrees nose down as nose up. That’s the basics but let me know if you want the detail 👍🏻
Thank you very much, sir! I knew it was a pretty abysmal attempt at a barrel roll haha; I’ve only done a very limited amount of aerobatics in the real world and as I mentioned during the video, it’s something I’ve forever been meaning to practice more of in the sim. I shall go away and give it another try and then come crawling back if it’s still a complete disaster ; )
Much appreciated, all the best!
@@IntotheBlueSimulations sometimes on my solo flights I’d spend the entire hour throwing it upside down, free as a bird! Best of luck, happy to help 👍🏻
Cracking video and review as always, that extra effort you put in with the local crowd ambience and fly-bys make your productions a joy to watch!
Thank you very much, Samuel! I’m really glad you enjoyed the video / experience. I certainly try to make my videos more than “just” a review : )
Very kind of your to say. Much appreciated and all the best to you!
So geil! Endlich haben wir den 109 zu genießen!
Took their sweet time, but finally someone made the 109 for MFS! Looks and sounds great. The only negative stand-outs for me are the prop animation which is really bad, and some systems, like oxygen, don’t seem to have the same depth as in DCS.
Haha! Well, I’m really glad that you’re enjoying the Messer, Davide ; )
The MSFS version perhaps lacks a little depth in some areas vs the DCS version, but I’d say it’s swings and roundabouts, with the MSFS version having better visuals and sounds. The DCS 109 flies superbly, but I find it so hard to move out of MSFS these days - I love having the whole world to explore haha.
Cheers as always! : )
I would say the motor starts too quickly and abruptly at the start of the video...
the ground handeling is poor (taxing turning) nice bird but the spitfire was superior from mk9
this is modern version not the old version from 2nd WW... the DCS version is the original version...
Looks like a aircraft i would do long flights with.
And yes, i would be using the autopilot for most the trip as i don't have a flight stick or pedals as what i do have to use is an XBox PC controller, that or mouse and keyboard.
A fun little note, if you select the tropical filter the aircraft also has mounts added next to the cockpit. If the temperature is warm enough, an umbrella will be fitted for some shade.
Great to know. Thank-you for the information.
I accidentally made my canopy disappear
Haha! I didn’t spot that one at the time Nick, but indeed it does! A very nice little touch XD
Thanks very much for the info! All the best : )
It would be great if I could download files which I pay for. And at this point I am unable to download anything. Bought Gripen and cant download it. When trying to download, it reaches a point where it goes back to 0 and starts again. Nonsense.
Hi NIN,
Are you downloading from a WiFi / dodgy internet connection by any chance? I used to have exactly the same issue and it was ultimately caused by my internet connection (though it’s still silly of course, that the sim simply resets the download back to zero). If you can, try downloading over a fixed connection and see if that fixes things for you.
I hope that helps. All the best!
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Thank You for Your reply. I have a stationary internet with my own router. I have managed to download Gripen yesterday. But then, i bought an AV8B Harrier II and that issue occured again. It stopped and started downloading again and it happened twice. Third time was successful.
People be looking up going : *Ohhhh Shit here we go again*
Love the cinematic story with a wingman. Thank you for extra work you put into reviews.
This is the level of detail I am looking for - a no brainer purchase a couple of days ago.
A bit strange with the top of loop issue. Flying inverted in general is no problem. Guess we pull too much G over the top. Fun to figure out more.
There is major flaw with such a great sound - Lack of fly by. FlyingIron works with Corsair model in DCS, they know the - hit F3 button for a fly by view.
If they fix this, I will instantly buy the Spitfire and Hellcat. Promise.
Thanks very much Øystein, my pleasure as always - I’m just glad you enjoyed it!
FlyingIron have pretty much slipped into the “day 1 purchase” category for me now; they’ve barely put a foot wrong since coming to MSFS and their dedication to their products after release, is also exemplary. I think the inability to fly a loop, was a bit of a flight model issue, which FI do seem to have addressed with the first patch.
I guess we won’t see a native flyby view in MSFS until 2024 now haha, but I gather the most recent version of Flight Control Replay (actually, the same tool I used for my virtual wingman during this video) will include a flyby camera, so that might be worth checking out if you’re really keen.
Many thanks once again! : )
i believe Mark Hanna was piloting one of these when he crashed back in 1999,
I believe you’re correct, BrickUnit - the Spanish-built version of the 109 anyway. RIP.
All the best!
Having flown this for a couple of hours now I have to say it is the worst Warbird in MSFS in terms of fun to fly. I have all the Milviz and FlyingIron aircraft and I won't be bothering with the 109. It may be an accurate depiction , just horrible to fly 🙂
Fair enough Lee - we all have our own preferences within the sim. Happy flying and all the best! : )
In the loop, "the aircraft almost wanting to snap" would be because one slat went in before the other. During the war, this may have saved many an allied pilot who was in the sights of the Me-109 pilot and whose aim was put off momentarily. BTW , the Luftwaffe pilot had no idea of "BF-109"-to them , it was the ME-109 (pronounced "may" hundert neun"
100%, Dackah. The problem was, I couldn’t get over the top of the loop without the slats deploying, the 109 was just bleeding off too much energy in the manoeuvre (and I wasn’t able to get the aircraft through the loop any more quickly - I already had full flight control deflection). There was an issue with the aircraft’s flight model at the time, which has subsequently been corrected by FlyingIron.
Cheers for the info. All the best : )
Great video.
I much prefer the Kurfürst in DCS, but the same can be said for all of the warbirds, imo.
Thanks very much Underdog, I’m really glad you enjoyed it!
In terms of the flight model, hands down the 109K wins (in fact, that addon always sticks in my mind as being one of the most convincing, when it comes to the “feeling” of flight). I jumped back into the DCS 109 just the other day, in order to compare and I have to say that visually, it’s looking a little bit dated now and I prefer the sounds of the MSFS 109 overall. Both are superb addons, I just find the DCS maps a little bit “uninspiring” these days and hence prefer flying in MSFS.
Cheers and all the best! : )
Yes the visuals could do with a touch up, I agree.
I love the flight model in DCS, it's such a handful on takeoff and there are about thirty different things you have to consider haha.
And that characteristic howl of the DB 605 engine, complete with supercharger whine...... 😁
Oil splashes on the windscreen are epic. Way better than IL-2 Great Battles or DCS.
To be sure, the model on at least IL-2 is probably a more accurate representation of hot engine oil. This is just better.
Indeed OG, FlyingIron have done a very nice job on the oil-spatter animation (as they have with the entirety of the BF-109). The point you raise is one I often make myself; whilst generally I’m all for accuracy, sometimes “artistic licence” just makes things that much better ; )
Cheers once again!
DCS have BF 109 which superb in reality.I cannot really see what a BF 109:has to do in MSFS or planes from WW2 at all .
Indeed Leif; I love both versions of the 109 and think both versions have their place in flight simulation. I know a lot of people don’t see the point of warbirds / fighter aircraft in a civilian sim but in fairness, none of these machines are fighting any more, so taking them from A to B, or carrying out an aerial display, are both pretty valid / realistic uses of such an aircraft in the sim. I very much enjoy warbirds in MSFS, a little bit like someone enjoys driving a vintage car I suppose.
Cheers, all the best : )
I cant get the bird to turn with the tail wheel on Series X. It will only turn in one direction. Any suggestions?? Also, the takeoff is horrible. Pulls really really hard to one side..plus when decreasing the throttle all the way down to idle, the engine dies… is there going to be a fix for all of this? Its basically useless for me at this stage..
Hello Matt,
Well, the 109 has a castoring tailwheel - ie no steering per se. The aircraft has to be turned with rudder (which will only become effective with a decent amount of airflow / prop wash going over it) and differential braking. I believe if you turn on the simplified tailwheel option (from the tablet), that may help you out. The 109 is indeed a pig during the takeoff haha; I don’t know how true to life that behaviour is but, it will be particularly tricky to handle using a gamepad. As I mentioned during the video, I find that full deflection on both the rudder and the aileron, before even beginning the takeoff run, is the best way to go. I had the same issue with the engine dying during the landing; again, I don’t know whether that behaviour is accurate but, given that FlyingIron left it in after the first patch, I would have to assume that the cutout has been intentionally modelled. . .
I hope that clarifies things a little. All the best!
it's missing a bit of it's powerful whistle, specially on flybys, other than that, great sounding aircraft.
I agree Filipe (I did make that point during the review also). Hopefully FlyingIron can tweak the supercharger whine a bit and then they will have pretty much hit the nail on the head!
Cheers and all the best : )
Top of the loop on the 109 is more of a flop, if you learn to use it its amazing in combat. Vertical fights let you out turn spits and zeros pretty handy. Turn in the verticals.
Nice tip, Michael. Cheers! : )
lol don't know if the browser dislike mod is correct but this video says 0 dislikes. And I see why lol. Beautiful model.
Haha, it’s not quite correct, unfortunately. The video has about 30 dislikes but in fairness, it wouldn’t matter what one created / posted on the internet, there’ll always be someone that hates what you’re doing XD
As you say though, the 109 is a beautiful effort from FlyingIron! Cheers and all the best : )
Was the wingman a copy of your plane at a displaced position or another player? Because going blind into the loop, almost losing it, and ending next to him would be quite impressive.
It would soooo good if someone created an addon to do that. A wingman to follow your lead.
Sky Dolly
@@QBziZ It's FlightControlReplay by Fabio Merlo. It has an option for placing a so-called 'ghost' plane. The offset is completely controllable. I never record any movies or flights, just bought it for that option alone and have NEVER regret it.
Hello Wanderer,
Haha, I wish I was that skilled, but actually I was using a program called Flight Control Replay. Amongst other things, FCR allows the user to create a virtual wingman and as you can see, the functionality works quite nicely (the AI essentially just follows your flight path). The addon can be purchased from Simmarket, if you’re interested : )
I hope that helps. All the best!
Close CFS, it was actually Flight Control Replay. Thanks very much for offering up the help though! : )
One of my favorite planes in DCS. Don't get the point in MSFS. Beautiful tandem flying. !
Horses for courses I suppose, Roger. I love both versions of the 109, but tend to prefer cruising around these days and MSFS is undoubtedly the better sim for that sort of thing. I know a lot of people don’t enjoy warbirds in MSFS but for me, it’s the equivalent of somebody enjoying driving a classical car I guess. It’s just a pleasure to enjoy these vintage machines for what they are.
I’m afraid I can’t take too much credit for the formation flying, as I was actually using an AI-generated wingman haha.
Cheers and all the best! : )
great model
How does someone know the startup procedure for a plane that is so old, and they have never flown in real life? (where is this information from)
Well, in my case Oph1066, I just followed the checklist provided haha. I’m sure FlyingIron did their homework though; no doubt historical documents still exist (in museums, archives, etc) and some of these old birds are still maintained / flying, so there must be modern resources out there for them also.
I hope that answers your question? All the best : )
Does anyone else have a constant banging sound they hear when flying the plane? It happens when I put the gear up. I can't figure out what it's from.
Hi SW,
That sound is most probably the slats deploying / retracting, as you manoeuvre / reduce speed? If you look out over the leading edge of the wing during your manoeuvres, I’ll bet you see the slay deployment coinciding with the banging : )
I hope that helps. All the best!
Is it possible to do a wheel (two point) landing on the 109?
I’m not really sure, TO. I would imagine it should be possible, but any kind of landing in the 109 is tricky haha. The aircraft does seem to want to naturally settle in the 3-point attitude.
Sorry that I don’t have more info for you on that one. All the best! : )
Is the gun firing switch still there? Great video. Thank you.
Hello TT, the guns don’t work I’m afraid, no. I’m really glad you enjoyed the video! My pleasure and all the best to you : )
Does anyone else have a landing gear problem on my console the landing gear doesn’t come down at all the emergency release doesn’t work either
Hi Popzom,
You don’t appear to be the only console user that’s having a problem with the landing gear. Have you checked the tablet, to make sure that you don’t have any systems damage etc? Given that I’ve read a number of similar comments at this point, I’m afraid it could be that there’s a bug with the 109 on the console. . .
Other than throughly checking the tablet for any aircraft damage, I’m afraid I can’t really offer up any other suggestions on that one. If the issue persists, I would recommend getting in touch with FlyingIron directly.
Cheers, all the best!
I just bought this and the canopy cover is just completely gone
Hi Moses,
Have you tried repairing the aircraft via the tablet?
The FM is not good flying it hard and all goes wrong .. nice cockpit a bit pale but very nice
The FM did have some issues on release GOZR, yes. I gather that FlyingIron have subsequently updated the 109, so hopefully that’s addressed the problems (I haven’t had a chance to try the update myself yet)? The brilliant thing about FlyingIron, is that if an addon does have issues, you can be sure they will keep putting in the work to resolve them : )
Cheers, all the best!
So is the BF 109 in the MSFS marketplace or is on a website?
Sorry for the slow reply StorageShock. At the time of recording, the 109 was only available from the FlyingIron website, but I believe it may also now be available from the in-sim Marketplace (and if it isn’t yet, it should be soon : )
I hope that helps. All the best!
they should fix the plastic tires :) i can't believe no one at FlyingIron Simulations noticed the shiny plastic toy tires and let it go :) come on guys just slap a good weathered rubber texture on tires and that's it :)
They should redo Microsoft Combat Flight Simulator
I would love to see that, John! Sadly, it seems as though Microsoft has no interest in doing so though. . .
Cheers, all the best : )
Man have been flying this exclusively for a couple of days. Flyingiron really knock everything out of the park.
They do indeed, Point Man; FlyingIron do amazing work (all the more impressive, considering that even after releasing excellent products, they continue to develop them further)!
I’m really glad that you’re enjoying the 109! Happy flying and and all the best : )
Would this be on par withe the K-84 Frank?
In terms of performance you mean, Tommy? I’m afraid I have no idea on that one. I would presume, given that both aircraft are frontline fighters from the latter stages of the war, that they would have broadly similar levels of performance, though I’m sure each aircraft had its own strengths / weaknesses vs the other (though I can’t imagine they ever faced up against one another).
Sorry I can’t be of more help on that one. All the best! : )
When are we going to get a real WW2 air war game using latest tech!!??
DCS and IL2 both meet those standards, don’t they AJ? To be fair, DCS could use more fleshing out in the WWII arena, but from what I’ve seen / heard, IL2 looks to be pretty excellent (I loved the original). Either way, sadly it doesn’t look like Microsoft will be renewing its CFS franchise, so I guess we’ll have to keep relying on other sims for our WWII fix ; )
Cheers AJ, all the best! : )
Hi. Did you record with flightcontrolreplay? I cant record the ghostplane that is with me.
Hi Skaska,
I did indeed. For the internal shots I used the “Ghost” function, but for the external shots I first recorded the flight and then used the “AI” function (playback with 2 aircraft, offset from one another). Lastly I used the (experimental) “Follow AI” function and that’s what I actually recorded. Some of the function names may differ slightly, but hopefully that gives you enough of an idea to set you on the right track.
I hope that helps a little. All the best! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Thank you a lot. Guys like you inspired me to do videos too :)
You’re most welcome. That’s awesome! Best of luck with it all : )
1998 Microsoft Flight Similator was my all time favorite
I have very fond memories of FS98 also, YATD - it was the first flight sim that I got to try for myself! MSFS is clearly leaps and bounds ahead today but, pound for pound, I think FS2004 is probably my favourite sim of the franchise : )
Cheers, all the best!
Excuse It’s proper title is Microsoft Combat Flight Simulator : WW2 Europe series
A superb warbird in a superb video! Well done and edited as usual. Can you tell me how you do those flybys? An extra Software?
Was thinking the same thing, would be nice to have an AI wingman sometimes.
Thank you very much Marcel, I’m really glad you enjoyed the video!
I was using a program called Flight Control Replay. Amongst other things, FCR allows the user to create a virtual wingman and as you can see, the functionality works quite nicely. The addon can be purchased from Simmarket, if you’re interested : )
I hope that helps. All the best!
I know folks who have flown the buchon... Its a handful at least and yes, in real life it is near impossible to fly but a beautiful one indeed!!
Whenever i try to start off the plane horrible drifts left and i cant even control the plane a little bit. Wheres the error? Seems like im doing something wrong!
You really need to fully drift right side with all you have before you even start driving. It’s complicated but when you get used to it it’s nice xD
Hello James,
The 109 is indeed a real handful during the takeoff. Are you using full rudder / aileron deflection *before* beginning the takeoff run? As demonstrated in the video, personally I find that to be the best technique.
I hope that helps. All the best!
Thx again for the review. How do you handle the roll ? I use aileron trim hotkeys but is this how it is supposed to be done ?
My pleasure Michael!
For the roll behaviour, I just set aileron trim using the tablet and go with a setting that works nicely at typical cruise speeds. I’m assuming the 109 only had a fixed trim tab in roll, so setting and forgetting on the ground is probably the most realistic option. That being said, if I find myself in the cruise and not able to relax due to the roll behaviour, I’ll simply readjust the setting (your method would work nicely also).
I hope that helps. All the best! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations thx you :) I Switched to leaving it also at a setting that roughly makes it fly level at a certain throttle.1.1 ata for cruise
Is there any combat flying in this sim?
There’s no combat in MSFS at the moment Spiraling, no. Whether that ever changes I’m not sure, but any combat functionality would have to be done via a 3rd party mod, as Asobo has made it pretty clear that they will not be supporting combat / weapons etc within the sim.
I hope that clarifies things a little. All the best : )
I've seen a 109 e3 fly several times in person. This sounds pretty close to the real deal. Excellent work, I had to get it.
Hi DC,
The soundset is indeed a thoroughly impressive effort from FlyingIron! A little bit more supercharger whine would be nice during the flybys, but otherwise the 109 sounds very convincing. Definitely one of the best sounding aircraft in MSFS to date.
I do hope you’re enjoying the “Messer” then! Happy flying and all the best : )
GREAT flight. "One" of the best features of this plane are the engine sounds. I like the head on low pass view and the camera shakes when you pass by = wonderful. If you are a warbird pilot, this is a model you would love to fly. My only 2-cents is that the stick looks like it came off an old bird but the rest of the cockpit looks brand new. I do like that it has the spinny thing in front. Thanks for the review! !! !!!
Cheers Mark! I completely agree; for anyone that enjoys their warbirds in MSFS (and those who don’t are missing out ; ) , the 109 really can’t be beat at the moment! A pleasure to fly an absolute joy to listen to and I’m sure the aircraft will only continue to improve, as FlyingIron keep working on it.
A pleasure once again! Many thanks : )
Cant wait to buy this
I've been waiting a long time for one of these (though I wish it were an E or F without the huge machine gun tumors on the cowling--they would also handle better at low speeds, being a lot lighter...). It would have been interesting if, instead of a wingman in another 109, you had somebody in an Allied warbird and did a mock dogfight. Are Czech, Finnish, Swiss, or other non-Luftwaffe liveries available?
Haha, indeed Tanker; those machine gun blisters take the already tricky task of trying to land the 109, to a whole new level XD
I had thought about a bit of a tail chase / dogfight, but I ultimately decided that I’ll save that idea for another day ; )
If memory serves me correctly, I believe it was only various Luftwaffe liveries included. I know some other liveries are now available over on Flightsim.to though and I’m sure there will be more to follow.
Cheers and all the best : )
Once you fired up that BF109G6,,, (which i have also purchased by the site) Outside? I saw them Flameshoots out of the exhaust just like they did in the spit with DCS.. If i have missed it already? I'd certainly hope that their spit would do the same.. Perhaps i have missed that if so? maybe i need to upgrade? This BF109 is a TOTAL Beast when TO/Landing also.. ( Perform a full Starboard deflection on both rudder and aileron at the same time thus until full airflow over the airframe is achieved) sheesh! Whatch this one, it will really bite you hard if not taken care of in all stages of flight really. Regards
Hi Robin,
I thought that the FI Spit did do the same with regards to the flame effects, but perhaps I am mistaken (it’s been a while since I’ve had a chance to fly it). . . You’d certainly hope that their Spitfire would. . . spit fire haha!
The BF-109 is indeed a total beast during the takeoff and the landing, it makes the Spitfire seem like a butterfly in comparison XD
Best of luck with those landings! Happy flying and many thanks again : )
still miss combat sim WW2 Pacific. This looks like a must have !
Please help, whenever I load the aircraft there is oil splatter on the windshield and the engine dies. This happens regardless of settings. Any tips? Im feeling like i wasted my money as the plane is not usable
Hi TBM,
When you say “regardless of settings”, do you mean to say that you have wear and tear turned off and that everything is showing as fully repaired on the Workshop tab of the tablet? If that’s the case, I would be very surprised (and would recommend just double-checking all of your EFB pages again). Otherwise, you’d probably be best off getting in touch with FlyingIron directly, as I’m not sure what else could be the problem I’m afraid. I wouldn’t fear re your money being wasted; even if there is some sort of bug, FlyingIron are usually pretty good at having these things fixed up in a feasibly timely fashion : )
Let me know how you get on. All the best!
@@IntotheBlueSimulations thanks for the reply. I'm on Xbox, if that changes anything. I might be missing something simple, but I'm not seeing any kind of tablet anywhere. Is it on a third party app?
My pleasure on the reply! If I remember correctly, the tablet is down on the right hand side of the pilot’s seat (the EFB is demonstrated during the video - it’s not a 3rd party app). It could be that there’s currently an issue with the console version of the aircraft (I have had a couple of other similar comments), but not owning an Xbox myself, I’m not sure I’m afraid.
If you haven’t been able to get things sorted, I would suggest getting in touch with FlyingIron directly : )
Cheers once again!
Yes! I requested this aircraft at the beginning of the Microsoft forums and they replied, and finally delivered. It’s one of my favorite German fighters, but it takes a lot of getting used to. What settings are you using for trackir? My sensitivity might be a bit high.
Hi SRley,
Great, happy to hear that you’re enjoying the Messer : )
My TrackIR profile is available over on Flightsim.to, should you wish to give it a go for yourself (just search “Into the Blue” and you should find it pretty easily).
I hope that helps. All the best!
Incidentally? @10:03 a +1 down nose on elevator trim? will ultimately provide a +1 Positive reaction.. Given enough airspeed, or flow over the airframe...( in G) as in Blood to head etc, so it is really positive. +1 nose down indication. In ALL cases here, You are by far THE Best evaluator of any virtual product for the FS2020 Simulator that i know of! I just Love to fly them, even less so when i crash them xD. I will take this opportunity now (given your very own love of warbirds.. I may task you to a duel.. *Take your weapons* (Spit/Bf109G6) I shall duel you in the virtual skies, although, given your professional knowledge of all things airbourne here.. I think i will stay grounded lol. Much Regards ITB!
I kind of see what you’re getting at there, Robin (though trimming nose down would induce negative g?), but I believe FlyingIron actually swapped the trim indications with the first patch, so presumably the indications were in error before haha.
Thank you very much for the kind words and indeed your enthusiastic invitation (I hope you got my reply to your email)! Perhaps one day, I’ll catch you in the virtual skies ; )
Take care and have a great weekend!
When I jettison the canopy, it disappear ps when I restart the flight. How do I get the canopy back?
Hi Victor,
I haven’t tried a canopy jettison myself, but I would imagine you’d have to go into the maintenance page of the EFB and reset something there?
Let me know if that’s of any help. Cheers and all the best : )
Thanks. I figured it out now :)
Ah great! Happy to hear that you got things sorted : )
That looks like a lot of flap area for takeoff. It looks the same as full flaps for landing. 10 to 15 degrees is pretty much standard flap setting for takeoff; any more and drag starts taking hold. All that flap area looks like it would do more to keep the aircraft on the ground than it would serve to help get it airborne. Does the 109 need flaps for takeoff in a clean configuration?
16:03 "With this 3-Cylinder Radial Engine with just about 60hp, build year 1934"..? I don't think that's right haha
Haha! Indeed, a few cylinders and horsepower short perhaps. . . ; )
I got this plane and have a strange problem. Elevator control is fine on the ground and during take off but during flight I lose all elevator input. The stick or the elevators do not move. Anyone else seen this? I also get weird ground effects and the aircraft becomes indestructible even after the first patch.
That’s all very odd, Lee - a shame to hear that the first patch didn’t fix your issues. I really can’t come up with too many ideas as to what might be causing the problem. . . Is your sim flight model set to “Modern”? Are you sure you haven’t got any control binding issues etc? With those sorts of issues, it’s probably worth getting in touch with FlyingIron directly (I’d imagine they’ll be pretty responsive).
Sorry I can’t really be of more help on that one. All the best!
The engine audio is missing the whistle whine - possibly its main characteristic th-cam.com/video/ERo0lTyUvOk/w-d-xo.html
Agreed, Jeremy; it was a point I made during the review myself, also. The sounds are generally great, but that characteristic whine is noticeable by its absence. . .
Cheers, all the best! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations 33:11 :) Apologies, missed this on my first pass.
Haha, not at all! I know not everyone has the time or the desire to sit through a 40 min video and I certainly don’t expect people to be taking notes XD
Many thanks for watching! : )
I can't use pedals. People have insisted that it's possible to get one of these animals off the ground with a twist stick but I don't think I ever managed a take off in DCS :D I wonder if this things is any more forgiving?
Hi Sapfu,
The addon might be slightly more forgiving, if only because you’ll initially need full rudder input during the takeoff, ie the relative sensitivity of a twist-grip shouldn’t be a problem. That being said, the 109 is probably still going to be somewhat of a handful; indeed the aircraft is a tricky beast with any sort of a setup haha XD
I hope that helps a little. Cheers and all the best! : )
How do you get your air show assistant plane to change positions from behind to in front?
Any plans on doing a video on the new local legend?😊
Hello Marc,
I will probably make some sort of video with the aircraft at some point, but I have something more “artistic” in mind, rather than a typical review. I’ll most likely be taking a look at the B307 first (when time allows) and have a couple of other video projects to follow up on also. In short, I would like to take a look at the aircraft, but it’s not a priory at the moment I’m afraid.
Thank you very much for the suggestion though! Cheers and all the best : )
Guys i would like to do some aerobatics with it, do you know if it is possible to use aerobatic smokes with this plane?
be nice if the cannons worked....
Agreed, Enti; that’s a functionality I would love to see FlyingIron bring to their addons at a later date (visual modelling at least, as MILVIZ have done with their Corsair).
Cheers!
Is there no option to place a WW2 German pilot in the cockpit?
Ah okay...should have watched the whole video before posting.
No option currently, Joshua, but I gather FlyingIron will be providing a WWII German pilot model at a later date : )
Cheers, all the best!
So where do you have to buy this bird in order to get it equipped with weapons. ? Thank you !
Hi Cali,
Basically, anywhere outside of the in-sim Marketplace (it’s only the Marketplace that has any such restrictions).
I hope that helps. All the best!
Would be lovely to see MS design a combat simulator, but we do still have DCS and IL2.
Hi Anthony,
I would love to see Microsoft bring back their Combat Flight Simulator franchise, but sadly it seems they have no intention of doing so. As you say, at least we do have some great alternatives these days : )
Cheers, all the best!
Just liked and subscribed
Many thanks, sir - I’m glad you’re enjoying the content! Welcome aboard : )
But is there anyone to shoot down?
Hi Darrell,
Not in MSFS I’m afraid, no. If it’s combat you’re after, then IL2, DCS etc would be a better bet.
Cheers, all the best : )
A nice touch would’ve been the wheels/ landing gear to continue spinning for a couple of more seconds after takeoff.
Indeed, Robert. I don’t know whether that’s a limitation of the sim, or a limitation of the recording tool that I use (I would have said the latter, but at least one of my other viewers seemed to think that it’s a sim issue). The sim certainly can model free-spinning wheels but, any wheels that have brakes attached, tend to come to a stop straight after liftoff (as if the brakes are already applied).
Cheers, all the best!
Ground speed is very important with takeoff with the 109.
Nice, Tannheim is not that far
Glad you enjoyed it, Jannik! Tannheim looks like a lovely spot to fly out of : )
All the best!
I already bought this before your review, but I want to see how you handle the challenging take off and landings!
Haha! Well, thanks very much for watching, SB! I hope my technique didn’t disappoint too much XD
Cheers and all the best : )
I don't fly warbirds. I hate taildraggers. Yet I picked this up yesterday after watching your video. Still working on staying on the runway during take-off. Curse you for making me wanna fly this!
Haha! Well, that is rather “in at the deep end”, Marc! XD
The 109 definitely offers up quite a challenge and is most certainly both a warbird and a taildragger haha. It’s a brilliantly fun aircraft though and has been superbly rendered by FlyingIron.
I hope you enjoy your time with the 109! Happy flying and all the best : )
PS. My sincere apologies haha
Other than horrible inside engine sounds, it's looking really good
Haha, it’s funny how subjective soundsets always are, MasaM. I thought the aircraft sounded excellent (initially I was sceptical, but based off real-world recordings, internally, the DB605 does indeed sound like a bit of a tractor engine haha). That’s not to say that you’re wrong though; it seems we all hear things differently and setup / audio equipment also make a difference of course.
Cheers, all the best! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Well you outta be checking DCS take on ME-109. That's the whole different level
I do also own the DCS 109 and love both versions of the aircraft. I know a lot of people don’t see the point of warbirds / fighter aircraft in a civilian sim, but I very much enjoy warbirds in MSFS, a little bit like someone enjoys driving a vintage car I suppose haha
Cheers once again : )
Curious if you wouldn't mind sharing your Track IR settings? Your head movements are very smooth 👍
Hi Exoneer,
You’re welcome to try my TrackIR profile, it’s available for download over on Flightsim.to (just search “Into the Blue” and you should find it).
I hope that helps! All the best : )
Great vid as usual. Have you tried the K version in DCS? That’s a handful as well!
Thanks very much Lead, I’m really glad you enjoyed it!
I jumped back into the DCS 109 just the other day actually. In terms of the flight model, hands down the 109K wins (in fact, that addon always sticks in my mind as being one of the most convincing, when it comes to the “feeling” of flight). I I have to say that visually, the K is looking a little bit dated now and I prefer the sounds of the MSFS 109 overall, but both addons are superb and both are complete handful, yes XD
Cheers and all the best! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations agree with you completely. The DCS model could do with an update. The MSFS 109 is now in my hanger due in large part to your excellent review. 😃
Ahh well that’s great to hear, Lead. I do hope you’re enjoying the aircraft! Many thanks, happy flying and all the best : )
It should be a nightmare to take off and land....lol
I wonder if the Me-262 is in the works or even the always interesting Me-163
Hi TY,
An Me-262 would be brilliant and I could totally imagine FlyingIron pulling that one off! The Me-163 is indeed interesting, but I’m not sure even I would have much use for that one in MSFS haha.
Cheers once again : )
Shouldn't the cockpit labels be in German?
Hi De Neut,
Yes, as mentioned during the review, there is the option to switch between English and German cockpit labelling : )
I hope that clarifies things. All the best!
@@IntotheBlueSimulations sorry, missed that. tnx
Haha, no worries! It’s a long video; I know not everybody has time to sit and take notes XD
Cheers! : )
Would love to have seen you two guys log on with a couple of Spitfire pilots. Do a little tail chasing.
Haha well quite possibly, that is something I’ll look to do at a later date, Jnl ; )
Cheers!
Great review! Do you get more features purchasing directly from Developer vs MSFS store?
Hi MVR,
Thanks very much, I’m glad you enjoyed it!
Yes; where possible, it’s always better to purchase military aircraft outside of the in-sim Marketplace. Any aircraft purchased directly in-sim, will have had its weapons, gunsights, military insignia, etc removed.
I hope that clarifies things a little. All the best!
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Awesome, good info. Thanks!
You’re most welcome! Cheers : )
interesting
Cheers Paddy! You’re certainly a man that should know what a 109 sounds like haha ; )
I think FlyingIron did a really great job with the aircraft overall and it’s nice to get a little bit of a feel for these vintage icons, if only in the sim.
Thanks very much for watching and all the best! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations I wonder if they used any recordings for the sound. I think on flybys it needs a bit more supercharger whistle. The DCS 109K4 has it's external sound created from my recordings. I gave those to ED, because the sound was so bad. I think it came out quite good. Not sure how they made the onboard sounds, maybe a mix.
Great videos, keep up the good work!
Ahh, is that so? That’s pretty cool (I shall have that in mind, next time I carry out a flyby in the DCS 109 haha). Thanks for helping out the community!
I agree re the supercharger whine, I’m hoping FlyingIron will tweak things a bit in that regard. As best I can tell, they’ve done a very nice job with the internals though, which is where I spend 99% of my time anyway.
Thanks very much for the kind words, likewise! Cheers and all the best : )
The torque effect is a weird one on this addon. I never actually flew high-power planes like those, but compared to DCS, which I consider a benchmark in flight dynamics, it feels "fake".
The roll effect seems way too powerful (especially in the takeoff roll), and constant. The throttle almost becomes a secondary aileron control given how linear the response is. Feels way too weird an unnatural to me.
Hello Rafale,
I actually agree with you; DCS is still the gold standard when it comes to this sort of flight modelling and by comparison, the FlyingIron 109 does feel a little bit “artificial”, in terms of some of its behaviours. That being said, most of that comes down to the limitations of MSFS I believe and I think FlyingIron have done an exceptional job given the sim. It might not be perfect, but I find the 109 to be the most convincing warbird in MSFS to date (and as always with FlyingIron’s products, I’m sure the aircraft will continue to go from strength to strength).
Cheers and all the best! : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations I completely agree! It also looks incredible, cool for screenshots
No supercharger sound!
Hi Greatto,
I agree, the supercharger whine is lacking externally (I did make that point also, during the review). Hopefully FlyingIron can address that, as otherwise it’s a lovely soundset!
Cheers, all the best : )
It is always hard to describe "air" and the feeling of moving through it even in computing terms. The air in say DCS feels like it has more "numbers" to compute and so less missing digits. With far fewer eyecandy the sims can concentrate on aerodynamics more. MSFS has always felt like it was both behind in the computations and also missing those computations. In that oh so critical flare and float just before touch down thats where my immersion gets muddied in MSFS. The warbirds in particular feel clunky, the air thick. One thing to do to highlight this is to turn off ALL your graphics settings, res down low. Now fly. Go back to your beautiful maxxed graphics and do it again. Going to buy this to support the dev as always but with no teeth, "thick air haha" and all you can do is pretend to be the rich guy who just flies at airshows, probably gather dust after the initial oohh ahh..
I completely agree, JimJam. I’ve had this discussion a few times with a friend; there are two types of simmers, pilots and engineers haha. Even if an addon performs to the numbers, that doesn’t necessarily mean that it “feels” right and personally, I’m much more interested in how something “feels” to fly, as opposed to how “accurate” it is. DCS is (generally) significantly better than MSFS in this regard (and X-Plane also, when it comes to the big jets). In fact, funnily enough, the DCS 109 has one of the most convincing flight models I have come across; I took that thing up in VR once, looked out over the wing and actually “felt” like I could sense the air going over it. MSFS has some ways to go in this regard, but it looks / sounds like MSFS 2024 will offer big improvements.
As for playing the rich guy who just pootles around in his warbirds, that sort of thing is right up my alley haha! As much as I love DCS, I find the maps to be a bit restrictive / uninspiring by modern standards and I’m often not in the mood for combat.
Cheers and all the best : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Thanks for the reply and I agree 100%. I just sat down and flew the 109 a good 30 minutes in VR just AFTER flying the DCS version. DCS was far more the better feeling aircraft and how I would imagine it. I have some 500 hr or so in various high performance prop jobs mostly in a 300 hp+ Lancair so I can make some educated guesses to how these WW2 birds handled. I take out as much deadzone/slack in my TM setup but still the MSFS FM ing just feels mushy and disconnected. Stalls, accelerated maneuvers, abrupt inputs all feel sedated... Imagine DSC's aircraft/FM in the beautiful MSFS realistic visuals!!!!!
How does it compare with DCS warbirds?
Hi RB,
Whilst the FlyingIron 109 is one of the better warbird flight models in MSFS, the addon still isn’t on a par with the DCS version. That being said, FlyingIron have updated the product since this video was recorded so, things may have been improved further (though I’m afraid I haven’t had a chance to check the update out).
I hope that helps a little. Cheers and all the best : )
@@IntotheBlueSimulations Thanks for the feedback! I do have some DCS warbirds and I need to install the sim again. Its been a while. Although MFS is king on graphics.
You’re most welcome!
Yeah, I love DCS and graphically the sim looks good but (as compared with MSFS) DCS’ maps look really dated and I don’t find it nearly as engaging, flying around a “made up” world.
Cheers : )
How do you set up prop at 12 o’clock position ? Thank you !
Hi Cali,
If memory serves me correctly, I was just using my usual prop axis to do so. I'm afraid it's been a long time since I made the video / flew the addon though. . .
I hope you've managed to get things figured out. All the best!