Passages like this are why I so strongly reject the claim that the Bible is inerrant. This reeks of human corruption. I find it troubling that we can’t just admit that.
It's in the bible so it has to be right. Skeptics and free thinkers go on evidence that's why bible based morality has no impact their values and culture
Right... Creation story: myth Adam & Eve: myth Global flood: myth Mass Jewish enslavement by Egypt: myth Jonah: myth War against Midian: myth So many stories within the Bible that never happened, and y'all somehow thing this is the inerrant word of god?
Unicorns: Myth Giants: Myth Talking donkeys: Myth Birthplace of Jesus: Myth Men with Magic hair: Myth Flat Earth: Myth Eyeball covered angels: Myth Free Will: Myth Moses existing: Myth Satan: Myth Antichrist: Myth Ok, I'm tired. I think we should have listed what isn't myth. It would have been a much, much shorter list, and we haven't even covered half the myths in the Bible.
i bet they argue it didn't happened because they couldn't find archeological evidence for it. which means they'd have to dismiss a lot of other historical accounts that didn't have physical evidence. some tried to pull the same with book of job. what is the moral lesson even supposed to be? that massacre is not above the creator? it is the way of the ancients? but didn't they have the privilege of direct guidance from the divine? why shouldn't we expect more of them? it's not anachronism to expect them to live up to the standards of objective morality when they're in fact so close to the arbiter of objective morality! they have literal prophets! that'd be like us having jesus living among us telling us directly whether abortion is moral or not without us having to perform exegesis and risking eigesis it's suspect. because unlike genesis 1. these do not read like mythology. so no, "these are mere literature" will not work for these passages
"These are mere literature" will always work for any passage in the bible because that is exactly what it is. You seriously believe a bunch of random men were directly talked to by god and told to write a book about him😂 grow tf up and think for yourself for once instead of regurgitating this slop that was passed on to you since birth.
People love to cry about the past... if they were true to themselves they would acknowledge their own pasts faults. Unrightous hypocricy. Christ is God ☦️ Peopke conveniently remember the saviour part but forget the Lord part. God is not subject to our laws, we are subject to his.
Yes, except the laws that forbid the kind of actions that God commands himself in the Bible were created by God. It he is all-loving, then why is he so willing to kill children, and why can’t be do that today if the word of God is objective snd timeless? I don’t think you get to say „well you did bad things in past so my bad things (like the murder of innocent children) are justified“.
If you want to be really accurate, the very first words in the Bible should be: "This actually didn't happen". Then you don't have to do it for each nonsensical story.
first, you look cold, maybe a bigger jacket next time. i would have accepted these massacres as allegory, never really happened but meant to teach you something. that's a reasonable way to look at it, they were told to do something, they didnt do it, here is some extreme problem solving, no problem its a story. but the way you are looking at is that " though a cultural lens" your god has complete disregard of human life and he is willing to command people to kill children and women, who the Israelites took, as what can only be assumed, as slaves, but keep the female virgins as slaves. I wonder what those newly captured female slaves are going to be used for? you stated you are a deep skeptic, how do you justify a loving god and this story and all the other stories of genocide, cruelty, and slavery?
Hahaha. Sheesh. The contortions you're doing. Is the story an example of how people thought back then? Yes. But, the larger implications are that such passages expose just how man-made the Bible is and more so the religion(s) that developed from it. It creates a very mannish god, not unlike every other god. In addition, if the Bible is to be taken truly, as a lot of Christians have and do, then it describes a very horrible god that is excused away. And, after all of this, we're supposed to find and take spiritual meaning and guidance from it, often something completely contradictory to what we're reading?! This is why I stopped believing. When I realized how made up the entire thing is, and how much people have made up what the Bible means. You call yourself a skeptic, but also a pastor, and you're doing the same thing. One person's exegesis is another's eisegesis and thousands of denominations and millions of people aren't wrong, but the other person and denomination is. The Bible is nothing more than the world's greatest piece of mythic, semi-historical fiction.
You disappoint me, it is the nonsensical that you believe. When you read any book you read it not from the cultural value, but from Bod’s value instilled in your conscious and morals. So you can follow Jesus who said search the books, and in another place do bot believe every thing. The Torah is not from God, period full stop .
Passages like this are why I so strongly reject the claim that the Bible is inerrant. This reeks of human corruption. I find it troubling that we can’t just admit that.
it definitely seems like the israelites justifying what they did by saying god ordered it
It's in the bible so it has to be right. Skeptics and free thinkers go on evidence that's why bible based morality has no impact their values and culture
Right...
Creation story: myth
Adam & Eve: myth
Global flood: myth
Mass Jewish enslavement by Egypt: myth
Jonah: myth
War against Midian: myth
So many stories within the Bible that never happened, and y'all somehow thing this is the inerrant word of god?
Unicorns: Myth
Giants: Myth
Talking donkeys: Myth
Birthplace of Jesus: Myth
Men with Magic hair: Myth
Flat Earth: Myth
Eyeball covered angels: Myth
Free Will: Myth
Moses existing: Myth
Satan: Myth
Antichrist: Myth
Ok, I'm tired. I think we should have listed what isn't myth. It would have been a much, much shorter list, and we haven't even covered half the myths in the Bible.
A war crime is a war crime. Genocide and sexual slavery is never right. Faith doesn't mean you have to call something wrong, right
Good people do good things. Bad people do bad things. But for good people to do bad things, it takes religion.
Before you ask is the bible account true first a sceptic asks was moses an actual person
i bet they argue it didn't happened because they couldn't find archeological evidence for it.
which means they'd have to dismiss a lot of other historical accounts that didn't have physical evidence.
some tried to pull the same with book of job. what is the moral lesson even supposed to be? that massacre is not above the creator?
it is the way of the ancients? but didn't they have the privilege of direct guidance from the divine? why shouldn't we expect more of them?
it's not anachronism to expect them to live up to the standards of objective morality when they're in fact so close to the arbiter of objective morality!
they have literal prophets! that'd be like us having jesus living among us telling us directly whether abortion is moral or not without us having to perform exegesis and risking eigesis
it's suspect. because unlike genesis 1. these do not read like mythology. so no, "these are mere literature" will not work for these passages
"These are mere literature" will always work for any passage in the bible because that is exactly what it is. You seriously believe a bunch of random men were directly talked to by god and told to write a book about him😂 grow tf up and think for yourself for once instead of regurgitating this slop that was passed on to you since birth.
What did you just say? Are you trying to justify what is being taught here? This is just bs.
That is exactly what he is saying. I feel bad for him because he seems like a nice guy but if you are making excuses for atrocities then you are wrong
War is still waged that way in much of the world.
People love to cry about the past... if they were true to themselves they would acknowledge their own pasts faults.
Unrightous hypocricy.
Christ is God ☦️
Peopke conveniently remember the saviour part but forget the Lord part.
God is not subject to our laws, we are subject to his.
Yes, except the laws that forbid the kind of actions that God commands himself in the Bible were created by God. It he is all-loving, then why is he so willing to kill children, and why can’t be do that today if the word of God is objective snd timeless? I don’t think you get to say „well you did bad things in past so my bad things (like the murder of innocent children) are justified“.
If you want to be really accurate, the very first words in the Bible should be: "This actually didn't happen". Then you don't have to do it for each nonsensical story.
first, you look cold, maybe a bigger jacket next time. i would have accepted these massacres as allegory, never really happened but meant to teach you something. that's a reasonable way to look at it, they were told to do something, they didnt do it, here is some extreme problem solving, no problem its a story. but the way you are looking at is that " though a cultural lens" your god has complete disregard of human life and he is willing to command people to kill children and women, who the Israelites took, as what can only be assumed, as slaves, but keep the female virgins as slaves. I wonder what those newly captured female slaves are going to be used for? you stated you are a deep skeptic, how do you justify a loving god and this story and all the other stories of genocide, cruelty, and slavery?
If you have to go to those lengths to make something acceptable, it's not.
Hahaha. Sheesh. The contortions you're doing.
Is the story an example of how people thought back then? Yes. But, the larger implications are that such passages expose just how man-made the Bible is and more so the religion(s) that developed from it. It creates a very mannish god, not unlike every other god.
In addition, if the Bible is to be taken truly, as a lot of Christians have and do, then it describes a very horrible god that is excused away.
And, after all of this, we're supposed to find and take spiritual meaning and guidance from it, often something completely contradictory to what we're reading?!
This is why I stopped believing. When I realized how made up the entire thing is, and how much people have made up what the Bible means. You call yourself a skeptic, but also a pastor, and you're doing the same thing.
One person's exegesis is another's eisegesis and thousands of denominations and millions of people aren't wrong, but the other person and denomination is.
The Bible is nothing more than the world's greatest piece of mythic, semi-historical fiction.
You disappoint me, it is the nonsensical that you believe. When you read any book you read it not from the cultural value, but from Bod’s value instilled in your conscious and morals. So you can follow Jesus who said search the books, and in another place do bot believe every thing. The Torah is not from God, period full stop .
To be fair, nothing is "from god" because there is no evidence that anything supernatural exists.
You are funny 😂