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Jeremy Steele
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The Christmas Story through a Queer Lens and The History of the LGBTQ Relationship with the Church
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When Santa Claus Slapped a Guy in a Church Meeting
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How can you be a data oriented, skeptic and a spiritually engaged person?
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How can you be a data oriented, skeptic and a spiritually engaged person? skeptic skepticism data research spirituality spiritualtiktok bible biblestudy fieldofstudy biblicalliteralism belief beliefs cognitivedissonance psychology deconstruction deconstructiontiktok religioustrauma religioustraumahealing progressiveclergy progressivechristian progressivechristianity
What the Bible actually says about hell #bible #biblestudy #hell #hellfire #genesis #sheol #hades
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What the Bible actually says about hell #bible #biblestudy #hell #hellfire #genesis #sheol #hades #gehenna #luke #matthew #mark #revelation #ecp #eternity #heaven #religioustrauma #religioustraumahealing #deconstruction #deconstructiontiktok #exvangelical #progressiveclergy #progressivechristian #progressivechristianity
Drinks and Deconstruction: Kali and Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom
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Debunking the rapture with your evangelical family members #bible #biblestudy #evangelical
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Debunking the rapture with your evangelical family members #bible #biblestudy #evangelical #evangelicalish #evangelicalchurchproblems #rapture #tribulation #revelation #matthew #1thessalonians #leftbehind #religioustrauma #religioustraumahealing #deconstruction #deconstructiontiktok #exvangelical #progressivechristian #progressiveclergy #progressivechristianity #academic #academiccons
The legend of the Christmas tree #christmastree #legend #christmas tree #solinvictus #sacredtree
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The legend of the Christmas tree #christmastree #legend #christmas tree #solinvictus #sacredtree #treeworship #missionary #pooe #popegregory #europe #funfacts #christmastrivia #holidaytrivia #christianity #churchhistory #history
Astrology and science in the Christmas story #astrology #astrologytiktok #science #scienceismagic
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Astrology and science in the Christmas story #astrology #astrologytiktok #science #scienceismagic #scientist #magi #wisemen #bible #bibleverse #biblestudy #matthew #manger #mangerscene #babyjesus #deconstruction #deconstructiontiktok #exvangelical #progressiveclergy #progressivechristian #progressivechristianity
Archaeology suggests that Jesus wasn’t born in Bethlehem #christmas #archaeology #jesus #bethlehem
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Archaeology suggests that Jesus wasn’t born in Bethlehem #christmas #archaeology #jesus #bethlehem #nazareth #bible #biblestudy #matthew #luke #manger #mangerscene #babyjesus #biblicaltruth #biblicalprophecy #biblicalinerrancy #bibleerrors #biblicalcontradictions #incarnation #progressiveclergy #progressivechristian #progressivechristianity
The Pagan Origins of Christianity and Exactly How Many Year's It's Been Since the First Christmas
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The problem with mega donors at mega churches #megachur #megachirches #corruption #tothing
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The problem with mega donors at mega churches #megachur #megachirches #corruption #tothing #donor#donors #deconstruction #deconstructiontiktok #religioustrauma #religioustraumahealing #evangelical #evangelicalchurchproblems #progressi#progressivechristian #progressivechristianity
Sodom and Gomorrah is not about homosexuality
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Deconstruction isn’t a thing, but there is help
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Deconstruction isn’t a thing, but there is help
How particle physics and quantum field theory can help you understand your deconstruction and
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How particle physics and quantum field theory can help you understand your deconstruction and
Biblical Sitcom and Why Sodom and Gommorah is not about Homosexuality
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Biblical Sitcom and Why Sodom and Gommorah is not about Homosexuality
The connection between Judaism, Islam, and Christianity #judaism #christianity #christian #islam
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The connection between Judaism, Islam, and Christianity #judaism #christianity #christian #islam
Jesus wasn’t born on December 25 #clementofalexandria #march #may #annunciation #mary #christmas
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Jesus wasn’t born on December 25 #clementofalexandria #march #may #annunciation #mary #christmas
Drinks and Deconstruction: Rocking the Boat with Doubts and Justice - a Conversation With Craig M...
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Drinks and Deconstruction: Rocking the Boat with Doubts and Justice - a Conversation With Craig M...
How do Bible translations get it so wrong? #bible #biblestudy #niv #kjv #esv #nrsv #nrsvue
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How do Bible translations get it so wrong? #bible #biblestudy #niv #kjv #esv #nrsv #nrsvue
Scholars have proven that the Bible isn’t true #bible #biblestudy #deconstruction
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Scholars have proven that the Bible isn’t true #bible #biblestudy #deconstruction
Circumcision, Anxiety, and the Origins of Islam
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Circumcision, Anxiety, and the Origins of Islam
Most manipulative evangelical altar call experience #altarcall #getsaved #heavensgates
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Most manipulative evangelical altar call experience #altarcall #getsaved #heavensgates
An acient bloody ritual that helps loneliness
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An acient bloody ritual that helps loneliness
Quantum physics helps us understand why it might be that God doesn’t stop bad things from happening
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Quantum physics helps us understand why it might be that God doesn’t stop bad things from happening
Tithing isn’t biblical and is used to manipulate people #bible #bibleverse #religioustrauma
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Tithing isn’t biblical and is used to manipulate people #bible #bibleverse #religioustrauma
A mental health diagnosis led to doubting and freedom from evangelicalism: Anna Gazmarian
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A mental health diagnosis led to doubting and freedom from evangelicalism: Anna Gazmarian
The Secret of Finding Purpose is Ancient Genealogy
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The Secret of Finding Purpose is Ancient Genealogy
Daya thst supports hope for the future #bible #biblestudy #hope #data #rational #optimism #food
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Daya thst supports hope for the future #bible #biblestudy #hope #data #rational #optimism #food
There are many more things they lie about.
I don’t think he knows there were two towns named Bethlehem then
I wish more people were like this. You can 100% strike a balance between spirituality, and the science and data. I'm a kemetic pagan; a lot of my beliefs line up extremely well with science. They are never mutually exclusive.
any explanation for how that guy Jesus came to _misunderstand_ that God uniquely could cast _a soul_ into γέενναν? Mt5:30, Mt10:28 which is described at perpetual eternal fire in Mt18:8 or how He could have possibly confused the _eternal αἰώνιον_ duration of the time one spends in that fire and torment with the same exact word with which He discussed eternal life? hmm. seems that you are the one who doesn't exactly know how these words were used.
Went from christian to atheist to thelemite magick practician. And I feel that neither of my worldview was a mistake for me. Christianity taught me to believe and to treat others with compassion. Atheism taught me to think rationally and not to turn away from myself and my needs. Now I'm combining those methods I learned. And I'm really glad to see a person that also doesn't see faith and scepticism as opposites.
Great to see someone is actually letting the text be what it is. Seems the Pharisees also believed them sinners would be destroyed while the messiah took over the government. Seems Christian’s are falling for the same deception. Even though Gods people and his son suffered throughout all ages. We wonderful worldly American Christian’s will somehow avoid all struggle. Good word
Hi! I like this video. I wanted to share some feelings, whether you choose to respond or not. Please understand that this comes from a place of genuinely wanting to understand more and explore different belief systems, and not of a place of me trying to put down religion. If God exists in higher dimensions, and can't interact with time due to their eternal nature, what impact does God have on the world at all? How much does it matter whether or not we believe in such a being, and what is the point of prayer? For the majority of my life, I have believed in God, but as of late, I cannot reconcile the idea of God with the hardships in the world. If God exists and so does evil, then in my mind, God is either not good, not powerful, or not real, and in any of these scenarios, I don't see the good in personally worshiping such a being. I want to stress that this does not come from a place of hostility, but much the opposite. I have been deeply religious for most of my life, and believing in God has been a huge benefit to my mental health in the past. But as of lately, I just can't logically accept the existence of God in a world where kids die. It wouldn't be right for me to just try to flip a switch and go back to Christianity, as much as it has been personally beneficial to me, but at the same time, I don't want to give up in wrestling with spirituality.
What the Bible actually says about hell? DON'T CARE WHAT YOUR SILLY BOOK OF FAIRY TALES SAYS ABOUT ANYTHING.
What a treat to hear, a very thoughtful appreciation for finding balance in life, between the rational and the spiritual. It may help, too, to consider psychology, the role of personal myth-making, historical narratives that influence our identities, and the capacity of every mind to engage in "irrational play" when we enter dream-sleep. Spirituality allows us to engage with our joys and fears when data isn't enough: sometimes we experience a very real longing for meaning, and meaning deals in metaphors, in poetic truths, emotions, ethics, and even a kind of aesthetic experience. To be swept up by a piece of music or drawn into a compelling and mysterious painting... the contemplation of beautiful and terrible things is like gazing into a mirror, in these forms of play and imaginative exercise, we reflect on who we are and how we fit into our world, and "what it all means" to be part of the human story. Religion (or spirituality) is a tool-set for, ideally, leading us to meaning, purpose, personal integrity, balance, and mental health. The ancient Egyptians had not one, but at least three discrete "creation stories--" with regional variants! But they were able to balance these co-existing myths, and move past cognitive dissonance, with some recognition that they were only describing poetically -- not defining mathematically-- by drawing on a vast and rich current of metaphors and poeticisms. They had rich spiritual lives, and also grasped mathematics, engineering, and astronomy. Done thoughtfully, this balancing act can help individuals to flourish, and civilizations to thrive. We need knowledge and understanding, but we also need wonder, meaning, and mystery to feel truly whole.
About the only thing that is right about this man's teachings is his view on the rapture.
Very well spoken
Thank you for this message Jeremy. I was duped and traumatized into this belief system. I believe that this "theology" is only put in place to control behavior which is a trait that more closely aligns with a cult.
Your God isn't real either, which makes the "rapture" something of a moot point.
In the past 40 years, a considerable amount of research has been done to show that not only did the vast majority of the Early Church Fathers hold Pre-millennial views, but also that a strong case can be made for the belief in a pretribulation rapture of the Church among some of them. Below are two examples from scholarly journals of Church Fathers and early Church writings; I have another article's web address listed below. I have listed only two references, but many more could have been added; the journals include additional findings. If you prefer, please Google the term "Early Church Fathers' pretribulational rapture" and search for it yourself. ((What the Early Church said)) ((The Shepherd of Hermas (170 AD) )) You have escaped from great tribulation on account of your faith and because you did not doubt in the presence of such a beast. Go, therefore, and tell the elect of the Lord His mighty deeds, and say to them that this beast is a type of the great tribulation that is coming. If then ye prepare yourselves, and repent with all your heart, and turn to the Lord, it will be possible for you to escape it, if your heart be pure and spotless, and ye spend the rest of the days of your life in serving the Lord blamelessly. (2) (( What does this author seem to be saying to you? )) ((Ephraem the Syrian entitled Sermon on The Last Times, The Antichrist, and The End of the World. (350 AD +-)) Why therefore do we not reject every care of earthly actions and prepare ourselves for the meeting of the Lord Christ, so that he may draw us from the confusion, which overwhelms all the world? . . . For all the saints and elect of God are gathered, prior to the tribulation that is to come, and are taken to the Lord lest they see the confusion that is to overwhelm the world because of our sins. (3) ((What is the message to the Church to whom Ephraem the Syrian addressed?)) ((end)) Now, I have read rebuttals on these passages and others like them. These scholars say that the pre-trib authors misquote these Church Fathers, but the authors often fail to provide the quotes or interact with them. Instead, they quote modern scholars with whom they already agree. These are only two of the many voices of the Early Church Fathers, only a sampling of their writings. The idea that no trace of the pretribulation rapture doctrine was found in the writings of the Ante-Nicene Fathers, or that the historical origin of pretribulationism was traced to John Nelson Darby, who apparently arose around 1830, is totally false. It only takes a few minutes to pull scholarly sources and review them. Part of me thinks this comment will be deleted; if so, this will help me determine whether Jeremy Steele is mistaken or knows he is misleading others. If you read this and come back later and it is missing, you will also see the truth. Below are two scholarly books on the subject of Dispensationalism whose roots reach back to the Early Church Fathers. Seeing that the author of the video appealed to authority, saying that if you find a legitimate scholar with a Ph.D., they will tell you that the rature is totally made up. Seeing that the scholars below would disagree, I believe he will dismiss them out of hand. (1) Dispensationalism Before Darby by William C. Watson William C. Watson is Professor of History at Colorado Christian University specializing in 17th and 18th century English history. He received a BA in history from California State Polytechnic University Pomona, an MDiv from Talbot School of Theology, and an MA & PhD in British history from the University of California Riverside. He was a 2004 Fulbright Scholar in Moldova and is a frequent conference speaker on British theology and history. (2)Discovering Dispensationalism: Tracing the Development of Dispensational Thought From the First to the Twenty-First Century by ames I. Fazio James I. Fazio (PhD, Queen's University Belfast) is Dean of Bible and Theology at Southern California Seminary in San Diego, California. He teaches courses in biblical hermeneutics, church history, and evangelical theology. He is the author or editor of several books directly related to his teaching areas, including Forged from Reformation: How Dispensational Thought Advances the Reformed Legacy and Discovering Dispensationalism: Tracing the Development of Dispensational Thought from the First to the Twenty-First Century. James holds undergraduate and graduate degrees in biblical studies, a Master of Theology (ThM) in New Testament, a doctoral degree (DMin) in Christian education, and a Doctor of Philosophy (PhD) in history. Outside of the classroom, James serves as an teaching-elder at Grace Fellowship of San Diego. For more than two decades he has worked with several non-profit organizations to provide educational and leadership oversight for schools in East and Central Africa, and currently serves on the board of directors for the non-profit organization, White Fields. Together with his wife of 25 years, they have homeschooled their four children.
Sounds like you're from one of those creepy progressive churches that worships sin instead of God. It's God's Word. Written by men of God who listened to God in their hearts/spirits, and wrote what God told them. Sounds to me that you need Jesus. The real Jesus who is God. Not some false it's ok to sin Jesus.
Hearing this is like a cool breeze on a hot day. My science/medical PhD was dismissed by my parents as the learning of man. My brain doesn't stop investigating, but I say that's OK. Maybe that's the way God made me. Thanks Jeremy.
Ironically, your videos are a bunch of apologetic videos for progressive Christianity designed for those not familiar with their bibles or Church history. You also don't get to corner the market on compassion for those hurting or who have religious trauma by pointing them away from objective truth in Christ. ...and the Trinity "hundreds of years?" Read these Church fathers: Ignatius of Antioch (c. 35-108 AD), Justin Martyr (c. 100-165 AD), Irenaeus of Lyons (c. 130-202 AD), Theophilus of Antioch (c. 120-190 AD)
I've often described myself as a Christian, a Nietzschean, and a Darwinist to my friends. I 100% believe it is possible to explore faith, spirituality, physics, and strike a balance between them. And, yes, that means I have more than my fair share of days where I wonder what the 'truth' is for all of those things. I've concluded that science and theology can meet because -- for me, to me -- science explains some of the ways that God has implemented a cosmos that can allow for and sustain the existences of life and the development of our souls. Am I right? Who knows. But, that's where I've landed. My spiritual journey is taking me on a path that allow me to improve myself and express universal love and appreciation for others where grace and friendship are needed. Thank you for proving to me that I am not, in fact, a spiritual platypus! 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
You saying that the Bible has contradictions and yet reliable is like saying that telling the truth at 99.99% with a Sprinkle of a lie it's still truth but it's not if it's full truth then it's full truth if it has a Sprinkle of a lie then it is not true at all. Those who do not believe the word of God fully trusting in it are not God's people. Many people become pastors how many people call themselves Christian these are just titles a Christian a true Christian is someone in the faith of the way. And those who like to disprove the scriptures God's Own breathed words through man. Are saying that God makes mistakes. What is this mankind who is folly since the beginning we have been prideful in our heart just as this man is. Each and every day in Israel they are doing a massive archaeological dig all over the country and finding proof of where Jesus was and has been. This man is calling into character Matthew and Luke as if they had an agenda. That they're trying to fit things into scheme making lies. There are those of us who will understand scripture because God places Upon Our Hearts there are those who call themselves pastors and whatever else they wish they call themselves, it will not understand because they do not have God in their heart render mind or in their soul. They have pride in their heart and mind and their soul cannot see truth. Be careful of a man like this he is a shepherd who is a wolf in sheep's clothing.
You're a pastor? I find that kind of surprising. I looked at some of your other videos, and you acknowledge that the bible isn't perfect and has inaccuracies / is partially myths. I came out of fundamentalist, yec, right-wing evangelicalism, and finding out the bible wasn't this magic inerrant infallible book broke me. I mean, if Genesis isn't history, then how did sin enter the world? If Abraham never existed, why is isreal Gods chosen people? If Noah's flood isn't real what is the purpose of rainbows? I could go on... There's just too many unknown variables for me to say i believe in the existence of God.
Inspiring Philosophy videos can help you.
@@davidjanbaz7728 yes. If people *_want_* the TRUTH they will seek it and find.
Are you retarded?
You say the Bible has a lot of metaphors and fantasy fiction. Are you sure you want to be a pastor and not a college history teacher? It seems pastor is not the right fit for you.
I enjoyed listening to him, and think it is HIS decision whether or not he wants to be a pastor. Also, I thought you people weren't supposed to judge. Yet you just judged him as not right for the job. What is it the bible says happens to people who judge again?
@@wellhellothere6347 the biblical example for "do not judge" is when one man is standing next to someone who he considers lower than him and he thanks God that he is not like the man he's standing next to. As Christians we are to judge doctrines that people present. I too was taken aback when the commentator mentioned fantasy scriptures.... So what I'm going to do is go and find more about what this man States about the Bible itself and find out whether his teachings stand up to biblical scrutiny or not. The word judging concerning Christians is so far out of context nowadays. When someone discerns what is right and what is wrong you are making a judgment call just like when you have children and you know the people they are hanging out with just isn't right we as parents make that judgment call. Peace
You go to the rest of the Bible to gather context.
Jesus was born in Bethlehem, but remember Mary lived in Nazareth so that was where he grew up
And how did He get back there? Luke says He was openly proclaimed in the Temple in Jerusalem 40 days after He was born, and then his parents returned to Nazareth, from which they returned to Jerusalem for Passover every year. Matthew has them fleeing to Egypt from Bethlehem up to two years later (they were still living in Bethlehem when the Wise Men popped in). Then, because they were afraid of Herod Archelaus- Herod the Great's son, but, strangely, not Herod Antipas, Herod's other son, who ruled Galilee- they decided to settle in Nazareth for the first time, which. Matthew assures, is the reason Jesus was raised in Nazareth.
bro u would get cooked in any debate
This is why you don't leave individuals to interpret the bible themselves. It was the same people like you, that decided to misinterpret the bible to fit their agenda during the trans-Atlantic slave trade. You clearly started out with an agenda to prove that the bible affirms the grave sin of homosexuality and then decided to make videos on it. Don't be dishonest. And the BS claims that you put forward claiming the bible affirms LGBTQ activities have been disproven numerous times. Cope harder. Christ is Lord.
What I conclude is that Jesus has nothing to do with the fulfillment of Jewish prophecies, this was done deliberately by some who wanted to create Judeo-Christianity. obviously the mistakes in the scriptures are not caused by the apostles, since none of them wrote the gospels, but those who wanted to shape the Christian religion with the aim of integrating it with Judaism
The "revelation" was artificially added to the end of the Jew-Book "holy bible" in 367 AD by the Archbishop of Alexandria, the result of a writing contest with over a dozen submissions. The "revelation" was picked for its lurid tales of fire and brimstone, judgement and eternal punishment. The eruption of Vesuvius happened in 79 AD and the reverberations from it affected the whole east Mediterranean for hundreds of years. The "revelation" is a Roman Catholic fabrication and has nothing to do with Nero, who died in 68 AD or the United States of America, because the Roman Jew-"christians" of the time were completely unaware there was a North American and South American continent between Spain and China.
"jew-book"?
@@wellhellothere6347 Written by Jews, about Jews, for Jews.
Ja moppel en stroppel maar jy dus nou daar die sefde kinder stoories op om self jou on gegrond testoorie tespin hoekom lees jy liewer now jou bybel en vind die waarhyd uit en vertell die waarhyd nie terloops doen’n bietjie naforsing en hou op strooi praad
I recommend finding a millstone.
Jeremy, thanks for this message and the time you took to produce this great simple video. The myths taught today can be so easily disproved by simply sitting down, honestly reading Gods word and believing what He has already done for us.
First you have to prove he exists.
@@wellhellothere6347 I do not have to prove anything.
What you describe here, travis, sounds suspiciously like credulity. Just accept, just believe... believe what? According to who? If I take anything from this video is that the Bible has a lot more context and history than the fundamentalist likes to admit. Like the gentleman says, and the professors in the Bible college I attended, "a text without context is a pretext"
@@mattalley4330 My main response here was leaning more to the possibility of a rapture in our future. I have been looking at what Christ gave us for nine years now and what changed my mind was reading for myself and studying what Christ actually taught. It started by looking up and studying the words come, appear, appearing, soon, presence and others. I started seeing that the resurrection was taking place then, right after and within a couple of months of the resurrection of Christ. We as believers today are given that same resurrected life the day we believe that Christ has given us His life. Without Christ we do not have eternal life.
There is no need to bend over backwards for this, David the OG Messiah was from Beth Lehem, prophecy fulfilled, move along now Also - don’t trust translations of translations sponsored by monarchs and states. Especially when those states literally derive from the bad guys in the story.
I learned recently that the Jewish holy book was officialized in the second century. When they say "Scripture", what were they talking about?
Okay but consider this.......your mother
"I know I promised archeology" and that promise wasn't kept. No "archeology" was ever mentioned, only a single "archeologist" was noted: Aviram Oshri, and the claim not of ANY proof, but the absence of proof that the "biblical" Bethlehem exists (misrepresenting through omission Oshri's own claim not that Jesus wasn't born in Bethlehem, but in Bethlehem in Galilee rather than Bethlehem of Judea). Oshri is a legitimate source and the actual "evidence" Steele lied about providing is a May 2012 discovery by the Israel Antiquities Authority of a bulla (a clay seal impression) bearing the name of Bethlehem that dates to the 7th or 8th century BC. It is a “fiscal bulla,” and an administrative bulla that was used to seal a tax shipment from Bethlehem to Jerusalem. This is the earliest reference to the town of Bethlehem outside of the Bible. The idea here is that the lack of other mentions means it didn't exist back then. Never mind that this would be kind of silly for the bible to reference a place that would have been completely abandoned to a people known for taking pilgrimages annually to important sites, basically inviting people to find out this supposed secret. But let's entertain this idea. IS there any evidence of Bethlehem being populated in that period? An archaeological survey of Bethlehem in 1969 produced pottery from various time periods, including the Iron Age II (1000-586 BC), Roman Period (63 BC - AD 324), and Byzantine Period (AD 324-638). Further, in n 2015, Dr. Shimon Gibson and Dr. Joan Taylor excavated near the Church of the Nativity. Their team unearthed an abundance of potter and artifacts dating to the first century AD. To quote Gibson: “This is the Southwest corner of the Church of the Nativity…We’re sinking a trench down to the early levels, and we have, without doubt, pottery dating to the time of Jesus. What we’ve been able to prove up until now is the existence of a village from the time of Jesus. This is very important.” Citation: S. Gutman and A. Berman, “Chronique Archéologique,” Review Biblique 77 (1970), 583. Quoted by Joel P. Kramer in Where God Came Down: The Archaeological Evidence. (Brigham City: Expedition Bible, 2020), 92
"There was a really clear prophecy about where the Messiah was going to be born...so Matthew and Luke...find a way to get Jesus to Bethlehem...it just doesn't make sense..." "we have records from the reign of Caesar Augustus and this kind of a census would be noted in those records..." Ignoring how many fires and other loss of clerical records make that statement, well, "like the stories that kids come up with" he makes a great point. This census would have been a big inconvenience and a major, noteworthy event. Let's remember that Luke was written between 63 and 95ad (most likely before 70ad) and we know people were living into their 90s back then. So, Steele's claim, taken charitably but without his song and dance, is as follows: A book with a vital agenda to convince people that Jesus was born in Bethlehem wasted the incredible resources needed to publish back then to not tell a little lie placing them there but a huge one that involves a national event, at a time when the audience would be a generation removed from said event with every reason to question why they'd never heard of it, and surely some elders around who could personally confirm or deny. And not a SINGLE one of them challenge this stated historical event that is less than a century old. This is why we need to teach actual logic and skepticism in school.
What a freakshow. Fruitcake archaeology at its best.
No one mentioned a Bethlehem birth "except for Mathew and Luke..." John 7:42: “Has not the scripture said that the Christ is descended from David, and comes from Bethlehem, the village where David was?” Why not Mark? Mark’s account starts at the beginning of Jesus’ ministry, which is about thirty years after his birth. And so it says that “Jesus came from Nazareth of Galilee” (1:9) because that was his hometown where he grew up. In all appearances of “Nazareth” in conjunction with Jesus, never once does it say that he was born there. He “dwelt” there (Matt. 2:23) He was “from” there (Matt. 21:11; Mark 1:9) He was “of” Nazareth (Matt. 26:71; Mark 1:24, 10:47, 16:6; Luke 4:34, 18:37, 24:19; John 1:45, 18:5, 18:7, 19:19; Acts 2:22, 3:6, 4:10, 6:14, 10:38, 22:8, 26:9) He was “out of” Nazareth (John 1:46) He was “brought up” there (Luke 4:16) He called Nazareth “his own country” (Luke 4:23-24) Both his parents lived in Nazareth before he was born and after (Luke 1:26 ff [the Annunciation], 2:4, 39, 51).
A lot of roman records which was stored in alexandria was destroyed, not only roman but greeks, Phoenician etc so u cant say things with absolute certainty, but no one can doubt the historicity of Jesus atleast not a serious historian.
Salary position is the correct term. You have proven to me that you have never worked a real job if you are this old and just found out about salry vs hourly labor laws and overtime. Your priviledge is showing. Typical arrrogance in your ignorance of the working class that is held by the liberal upper middle class.
Your outlook on many issues is overly simplistic and just plain wrong, as many of these commenters have shown. You are very ignorant of how the world around you works. I bet you’ve never worked a day in your life (labor, not some office/intern bullshit.) Please stop before you do any more damage to Christianity.
Evangelical churches are not valid because they jave no apostolic succession. Also, you are clearly homosexual. Why are you even a pastor if you don’t believe?
That Jude verse 7, though 🤷🏻♂️
You say that there is no historical record of Bethlehem at the time of Jesus's birth, nor any of a census; yet the Bible is a historical record. You should not call yourself pastor if you do not understand that the Bible is a more complete and trustworthy record than any other of its time. Man will lie and fabricate, yet God is not a liar. I will trust His Word over any that man puts forth.
No real pastor would call Bible a historical record. You are not a Christian if you consider the Bible (especially the translated version) a guide, instead of "historical record". The Bible is here to teach you about God and how to live, not teach you about history.
All I can Garner from this video isn't that Christianity is wrong it's that protestantism is the precursor to atheism, and is also wrong
Homophobia was always the real sin here
If you don't believe, you shouldn't be a pastor. Your argument about a record of the census is an argument from silence, not a historically valid nor logical argument. AND, there does seem to be historical records for this kind of a census including in Josephus' Antiquities of the Jews. You just made a claim about Bethlehem not being occupied in the 1st century and presented no evidence or citations but I've seen digs at Bethlehem producing artifacts from the 1st century.
You're just wrong: The Romans conducted censuses every five years, calling upon every man and his family to return to his place of birth to be counted in order to keep track of the population. Historians believe that it was started by the Roman king Servius Tullius in the 6th century BC, when the number of arms-bearing citizens was counted at 80,000. The census played a crucial role in the administration of the peoples of an expanding Roman Empire, and was used to determine taxes. It provided a register of citizens and their property from which their duties and privileges could be listed. Augustus took 3 Census see "The Deeds of the Divine Augustus" Archaeological confirmation of Bethlehem as a city in the Kingdom of Judah was uncovered in 2012 at the archaeological dig at the City of David in the form of a bulla (seal impression in dried clay) in ancient Hebrew script that reads "From the town of Bethlehem to the King." According to the excavators, it was used to seal the string closing a shipment of grain, wine, or other goods sent as a tax payment in the 8th or 7th century BCE.
Actually, that never happened. Rome never commanded for any family to return to their homeland for any census, except for the one in Egypt regarding land owners. You were allowed to come back home, for whatever reason. But that's very different from a command. What you describe, would require Rome to grind it's economy to a halt. It's simply irrational. They really didn't care about such things either. The fact is, this idea has been debunked by historians for decades at this point. Dan McClellan, an actual biblical academic goes deeper into this on his channel. When a provincial census occurs, it will occur for a specific province. So you will see a census in Bethlehem, that is separate from the one in Nazareth that Joseph and his family would have been apart of. Another issue is that the date given in the Bible is wrong, Herod was already dead for a full ten years by then, which is another fact supported by the academic consensus. Could Joseph and his family had travelled to Bethlehem of their own volition? Sure. But the fact that the date given was off by 10 years, is one of the reason that the academic consensus doesn't support the idea of Jesus being born in Bethlehem. Again, Dan McClellan, and I think Bart Ehrman, go in depth with this.
@@user-vx4jb6jx9r rome did command their subjects in roman provinces to go back to their homeland for taking census, even if they had autonomy as in the case of israel which was the Roman province of Judea but ruled by a roman approved vassal king herod.
The academic consensus is clear, what was claimed by the Bible never happened. I already went over the instance in which Egypt commanded the return of landowners, for economic reasons. I have yet to find any sources that are supported by the academic consensus that back the Bibles specific claim. The fact that the date the Bible claims, happened 10 years after the death of the historical Herod, hammers in the point it never happened.
But Joseph was not commanded to go to Bethlehem because he was born there, but because his his far-off ancestors lived there hundreds of years before. Nowhere in the Bible does it say Joseph was born in Bethlehem
Wasn't Bethlehem a cemetery back in those days? And thus 'unclean'?
What is the archeological evidence Bethlehem did not exist when Jesus was born. I always thought Bethlehem had a pretty well established lineage going back to 1300 BC. I mean I understand the moving of Jesus birth to Bethlehem was to fulfil a prophecy - But what is the evidence that it did not exist at the time of Christ.