Seems like I missed a typo regarding the weight. It’s 442 grams not 4422 grams, my bad! Thanks to all those who flagged. Camera isn’t a gym weight after all!
Great moderate point of view. I like your analysis and comparisons of both camera, not rejecting one or the other but emphasizing each one’s strengths. Now how about doing a comparison between the fp L and its Sony equivalent ?
Just a quick heads-up to add some news out of Sigma today that they are readying a massive v2.0 firmware update, addressing some of the initial issues and criticisms from user's feedback since it's original release, and adding some very interesting new features including: - SDK Support Software for third-party developers and apps' integration. - Support for CinemaDNG 120/100fps (FHD 8bit) internal recording. - Improved performance and video recording capabilities. - Improved AF operation in C mode. - Cinemagraph functionality. - Still image shooting during live view. - Expanded movie shooting in Cine mode. - HDR stills and video. - Director’s Viewfinder direct recording function. - Improved SD Card compatibility and write/read speeds for expanded internal recording modes and capabilities. All-in-all this is great news and I feel all current and future users of this camera can look forward to the update, supposedly within the next 2 to 3 months. This will hopefully by the start of a new lease on the camera's life and long-term wider success and market acceptance moving forward.
Yeah you have to use the V90 cards... 250-300 MB/s... no wonder it stopped after 5 seconds but most people say just get the ssd and skip 8but raw anyway 😉
Great video. I still think the a7iii is the better value... or maybe thats just me justifying why I bought two of them. The Sigma FP ad is amazing, by the way.
@@frankfeng2701 Yeah, those are great bodies for their cropped system. I have the a6500, along with my a7iii's. They need to hurry with that a7s3/4 6k and 4k 120, Flip out screen!! We can only hope
The FP almost looks like they hadn't finished putting it together. Surprised at the quality though. Looked better than I was expecting! Loving the grade on your talking head sections Chris! Do you shoot in log?
I think we will definitely see a newer one with a host more features. For the cost though they did a killer job with it. No log, all autumn leaves creative style straight out the camera, just exposed near perfectly and lit with my Godox SL60 😉
@@chrisbrockhurst footage looks fantastic mate! I feel strange for not shooting in log because it seems that everyone seems to say it's 'the way to do it'. I have literally just been putting a godox sl60 in my Amazon basket as I have heard good things and I need a decent key light! I will definitely be getting one now knowing you use one for that set up.
I will wait for the A7IV, got too many Sony lenses to justify a system switch. Btw, did you shoot the studio part in AWB or is it my screen that switches the white balance randomly from warm to cool? Yet a great video!
Seriously considering picking one of these up to take over video duties from my Panasonic S1R. Chris - do you know whether it is possible to tether the fp for still photography? I have a very peculiar workflow due to the equipment I use. I need the camera to save a jpg to a watched folder on a computer. Then, when I've finished setting up the shot, I would simply flip to video mode and shoot video (to be saved to SSD drive connected directly to the fp - I know this will require a cable swap, but don't mind that). If it can't tether, then my only option would be to tether with the S1R to set up the shot, and then swap the camera body out and replace with the fp. This may sound very weird, but I have a unique set-up!
Great comparison, I had Sony A73 and now own Sigma FP. Think everything you said was accurate. Btw Sigma FP with small Leica M mount lenses is a joy to use for street photography. With bigger lenses I use Small rigs cage / Wood grip and it works great even with Panasonic S 50mm 1.4 that wights 1kg.
Hi Jonas: please let me ask you a few questions: what would you reccomended to buy between a7c and sigma fp? I restrained from buying a7III (used) because plagued shutter issues complains on internet. It is sigma fp a wise choice on 2022 for 1.550 (body + 45mm lens on B&H) ? Any advice for sigma fp workflow and camera operation? It is true that sigma fp cannot set exposure on raw mode ? If it is so, how it is achieved correct exposure? My camera is intended to be used for video only, so i dont care electrónic shutter, average auto autofocus, no flip screen on sigma fp. Thanks in advance
Good video but it would be like comparing a red camera in 1080 instead of recording internal raw and down sampling 😂 it’s like comparing apples to oranges and it looks like you where recording a7iii in cine 4 or similar where as the white balance on the sigma was defiantly off. Also you can’t compare 4K footage on an a7iii in crop Mode to even close to 4k in full frame your only using half of the sensor, But great video.
Its aite. Only electronic. Fine for standing in one place shots. Takes out micro jitters. Plenty for me actually. But non existent with any manual lenses which sucks
Thanks for the positive review Chris. I have the fp and love it. It makes you consider what you’re shooting. I’m slightly bored with cameras thinking for me, like the excellent a73 you compared it to.
@@colingregg which primes did you get? That's my next step but im hoping to get something similar in size to the 45, keeping with the mirrorless compact theme. Thanks
So you have any comparison using a7iii in full frame mode? Aps-c crop might make both fov more equal but it using only partial of sensor and I think it is not a fair comparison
Not using raw for testing and reviewing a camera that shines when exactly that is used, sorry kinda put me off from watching the rest. Good production quality tho :) 2:59
The usb port comes off allow you to attach the hotshoe, this then stores in that attachment. Also you can't power the fp via USB while on, only charge it while its off. Glad you got to try one, its a shame you didn't try the DNG video, while large it offers great quality.
The A7 is about half the size of the A7III. If you are comparing size, that would be the one to use as comparison. The fp is about 10% smaller than the A7 and about 10% lighter. I'd say they are basically the same but the A7 adds a grip and a viewfinder which is enough to make up the difference.
Funniest thing about the Sigma FP: I am working in Hong Kong and you simply cannot give the Sigma FP cameras away of your lofe depended on it, no joke! You can literally find them EVERYWHERE on second-hand camera shops and dealers.. everywhere! Sold like new for pennies on the dollar most of them in original box just a couple months old.. or weeks. Some go for much less than half of original price in 100% new condition, all papers and new warranty included. Basically, new or used, no one wants to get close to them. Quite frankly, I knew since Sigma's announcement that it would be a flop.. it's simply too small and become ridiculously unbalanced by the time you add just about any lens to it (and let's not even talk about matching it with Cinema lenses which looks ridiculous). Plus full of quirks and compromises, misses on features that everyone wants (some of them very obvious and basic), uses a lens mount for which natively there are almost no lenses.. the list goes on. But yet, as a concept, I always thought Sigma was bold and courageous and it's spec sheet includes surely some impressive features. I've actually been thinking to get one for myself just to try it out and I consistently find all images I see coming out if this camera to be really, really good. Thanks for the video :)
They have been for many years. Often with cool/different sensor types and design concepts: www.dpreview.com/products/sigma/cameras?subcategoryId=cameras&page=1
The reason for that cover on the micro connector coming off so easy is because they can't have anything putting any strain ON THE WORLD'S MOST FRAGILE CONNECTION 🤦♂️...give us a full sized hdmi port Sigma, Panasonic did.
By the end of the intro you convinced me that you couldnt be bothered to do a proper review despite being given the camera to do so for two weeks. So I turned off the video and went looking for someone else.
It's the world's smallest full frame camera that takes interchangeable lenses. All cameras now are just black rectangles with a sensor. Sure it definitely doesn't have an interesting design but neither does just about any other so I'm not sure what you want here.
@@tom.mp4 Are you kidding me?! ?World's smallest FF mirrorless camera looks really stupid with the kinda big lenses that they keep coming up with. The going down in size theory about mirrorless is total garbage! They keep coming up with optional bottom addons to make it more weighy and holdable. Secondly ergonomics is important for the user .. just having a black/silver box is just ridiculous. This entire phase currently is a joke .. hope we move on to something more appealing, user friendly and really good with the technical aspects. Most cameras don't even last a year before they start to look stupid if you ask me. Please do not ask me to name names as there is just way too much stupidity out there.
Seems like I missed a typo regarding the weight. It’s 442 grams not 4422 grams, my bad! Thanks to all those who flagged. Camera isn’t a gym weight after all!
I know I am kinda randomly asking but does anybody know a good place to stream new movies online ?
@Neil Moshe Flixportal =)
@Jonas Kolton thanks, I signed up and it seems to work :D I really appreciate it!!
@Neil Moshe You are welcome =)
At 2:41, you say that it's made entirely of aluminum (aluminium?), except that it's not. It's made of magnesium.
Nobody else probobly noticed...But what camera were you using for this video....Looks great but your back rpund has super artifacting.
Compression
Great moderate point of view. I like your analysis and comparisons of both camera, not rejecting one or the other but emphasizing each one’s strengths. Now how about doing a comparison between the fp L and its Sony equivalent ?
Just a quick heads-up to add some news out of Sigma today that they are readying a massive v2.0 firmware update, addressing some of the initial issues and criticisms from user's feedback since it's original release, and adding some very interesting new features including:
- SDK Support Software for third-party developers and apps' integration.
- Support for CinemaDNG 120/100fps (FHD 8bit) internal recording.
- Improved performance and video recording capabilities.
- Improved AF operation in C mode.
- Cinemagraph functionality.
- Still image shooting during live view.
- Expanded movie shooting in Cine mode.
- HDR stills and video.
- Director’s Viewfinder direct recording function.
- Improved SD Card compatibility and write/read speeds for expanded internal recording modes and capabilities.
All-in-all this is great news and I feel all current and future users of this camera can look forward to the update, supposedly within the next 2 to 3 months. This will hopefully by the start of a new lease on the camera's life and long-term wider success and market acceptance moving forward.
Such great news! Thank you. I can't wait!
"Firstly, because I wanted to." Respect.
"super fast" sandisk extreme pro? In what universe is 90MB/s a fast sd card?
I am aware that there are newer ones with faster speeds. Extreme Pro are still considered some of the fastest out there
@@chrisbrockhurst That's a v30 card thats like $20...I'm sure a $150-200 v90 could keep up, isn't that what they were designed for?
Yeah you have to use the V90 cards... 250-300 MB/s... no wonder it stopped after 5 seconds but most people say just get the ssd and skip 8but raw anyway 😉
Lmao my SD cards are 299mb/s. Incredibly nice to use.
Yeah one needs V90 not the SLOW V30 stuff that's 95MBPS
did you make a pinhole lens from your body cap?
Not with this one.. I did buy one on eBay though! Another video to come 😉
Mate are you still using a 95mb/s card? 😬 That won't even keep up with a 5 raws burst
So true
Very true
You need 300mb/s card for internal 4k8bit row video record.
Great video. I still think the a7iii is the better value... or maybe thats just me justifying why I bought two of them. The Sigma FP ad is amazing, by the way.
@@usynnstradler Two camera angles, with two focal lengths, on the subject. I shoot a variety of styles and subjects.
@@usynnstradler I was so please with my first a7iii that I got another.
@@frankfeng2701 Yeah, those are great bodies for their cropped system. I have the a6500, along with my a7iii's. They need to hurry with that a7s3/4 6k and 4k 120, Flip out screen!! We can only hope
The FP almost looks like they hadn't finished putting it together. Surprised at the quality though. Looked better than I was expecting! Loving the grade on your talking head sections Chris! Do you shoot in log?
I think we will definitely see a newer one with a host more features. For the cost though they did a killer job with it. No log, all autumn leaves creative style straight out the camera, just exposed near perfectly and lit with my Godox SL60 😉
@@chrisbrockhurst footage looks fantastic mate! I feel strange for not shooting in log because it seems that everyone seems to say it's 'the way to do it'. I have literally just been putting a godox sl60 in my Amazon basket as I have heard good things and I need a decent key light! I will definitely be getting one now knowing you use one for that set up.
@@LukeMichaelJames Log is only needed in compressed footage. RAW it is unneeded.
@@chumleyk hey man,I was meaning for video. The Sony a7iii doesn't shoot raw video so I wondered what PP he used :)
beautiful vid here
th-cam.com/video/D88_Or8bfmg/w-d-xo.html
With that SD card it's no wonder it can't keep up. Is that a V30? You need at least a V60, but probably a V90.
It isn't a Sigma proprietary battery. Same battery is used by Leica and Panasonic. The G7 and G8 both use that battery.
10:23 Sigma FP is very heavy 4422g !
haha whoops! mistake
Yeah, it's gotta be made of solid lead.
You are really refining your style, Chris. Wishing you all success this year!
Thankyou! Appreciate that, aiming for 100k this year.. wel see!
@@chrisbrockhurst Okay! The challenge is on!
@@chrisbrockhurst I have just made a note of how many subscribers you have today- will be interesting to review the number in a few months.
Why would you use an APS-C lens for the video comparison? Would that not utilize less of the sensor?
For video it doesn’t matter
95mbps was ‘super fast’ in 2013. The 8 bit records fine to modern SD UHSii cards.
Agreed
On the ISO test, the sony seems much wider. Did the lens change?
Anybody thinking of picking this up?
I will wait for the A7IV, got too many Sony lenses to justify a system switch. Btw, did you shoot the studio part in AWB or is it my screen that switches the white balance randomly from warm to cool? Yet a great video!
Sigma Body - No. (A7R IV user here)
Sigma Lenses - Yes.
Seriously considering picking one of these up to take over video duties from my Panasonic S1R.
Chris - do you know whether it is possible to tether the fp for still photography? I have a very peculiar workflow due to the equipment I use. I need the camera to save a jpg to a watched folder on a computer. Then, when I've finished setting up the shot, I would simply flip to video mode and shoot video (to be saved to SSD drive connected directly to the fp - I know this will require a cable swap, but don't mind that).
If it can't tether, then my only option would be to tether with the S1R to set up the shot, and then swap the camera body out and replace with the fp. This may sound very weird, but I have a unique set-up!
@@GeraldDonovan it does connect to computers extremely easy for any purpose im guessing you might need. No firmware or anything needed
Hej Chris cool Vid! Awesome Content as always! There are SanDisk SD-Cards out there with 300 Mbit/s... UHS-II Cards can do the Job
Yeh these were the fastest when I got em, I realize the same cards are quite a bit faster now
i wish i had this camera or even a camera that lets me control the focus or the expose time, please! someone help meeeeee.
Great comparison, I had Sony A73 and now own Sigma FP. Think everything you said was accurate.
Btw Sigma FP with small Leica M mount lenses is a joy to use for street photography. With bigger lenses I use Small rigs cage / Wood grip and it works great even with Panasonic S 50mm 1.4 that wights 1kg.
That’s very true. Didn’t think of it for street, especially being so compact
jonas mattsson id be interested, I would others too, to see your images etc from this camera...
Hi Jonas: please let me ask you a few questions: what would you reccomended to buy between a7c and sigma fp? I restrained from buying a7III (used) because plagued shutter issues complains on internet. It is sigma fp a wise choice on 2022 for 1.550 (body + 45mm lens on B&H) ? Any advice for sigma fp workflow and camera operation? It is true that sigma fp cannot set exposure on raw mode ? If it is so, how it is achieved correct exposure? My camera is intended to be used for video only, so i dont care electrónic shutter, average auto autofocus, no flip screen on sigma fp. Thanks in advance
sigma looks like film camera sony looks like video camcorder
love your videos!
cheers Kyle!
Thanks for your video)
worlds smallest full frame? hasn’t that title belonged to the sony rx1 series for the last few years now??
Worlds smallest full frame mirrorless camera with interchangeable lenses. Just lazy reporting because that's a mouthful.
Little typo by the weight section in the clip. Should by 442 , not 4422 grams.
good catch. I just made this camera 10x heavier haha oops
Good video but it would be like comparing a red camera in 1080 instead of recording internal raw and down sampling 😂 it’s like comparing apples to oranges and it looks like you where recording a7iii in cine 4 or similar where as the white balance on the sigma was defiantly off.
Also you can’t compare 4K footage on an a7iii in crop Mode to even close to 4k in full frame your only using half of the sensor, But great video.
Sony a73 or cannon eos r? Shooting lowlight photos and documentaries music videos etc etc a lot of film, heavy use camera. Lmk
Low light the Sony wins by a mile
very good content Chris, thanks a lot. keep going :-)
Thanks for the support 😊
Hello and thanks for the video. can you expand on why this Sigma is smaller than the Sony RX1R II with the 42MP sensor.
Hey! don't know how to answer your comment other than saying its smaller? Sigmas claim not mine haha
Man, at least you should do a proper WB.
How is video stabilization ?
Its aite. Only electronic. Fine for standing in one place shots. Takes out micro jitters. Plenty for me actually. But non existent with any manual lenses which sucks
Awesome footage
thank you!!
superb introduction and superb video ....from kerala
thanks!
Since you dont tell us which lenses and what settings you are using- it's difficult to take much away from your comparisons.
Matthew Tollin I mentioned exactly what lenses I used
Why the cinema/video camera Sigma FP don't have headphones output?
Yeah, Leica L-mount is a no for me.. lol
Lol not going to be for everyone
Once they fix auto focus, I'd buy it...
they will never do this
Thanks for the positive review Chris. I have the fp and love it. It makes you consider what you’re shooting. I’m slightly bored with cameras thinking for me, like the excellent a73 you compared it to.
Glad you like it Colin, it’s definitely a little powerhouse. Did you get it with the 45 too?
Yes I did plus a couple other wider primes
@@colingregg which primes did you get? That's my next step but im hoping to get something similar in size to the 45, keeping with the mirrorless compact theme. Thanks
is it 4 and half kilagrams ?? dude you are holding 4.5 kg so easily ?
see pinned comment
So you have any comparison using a7iii in full frame mode? Aps-c crop might make both fov more equal but it using only partial of sensor and I think it is not a fair comparison
Not using raw for testing and reviewing a camera that shines when exactly that is used, sorry kinda put me off from watching the rest. Good production quality tho :) 2:59
I've literally had no problem shooting 8bit raw internally on the FP, in all lighting conditions and complex shot movements
Is it smaller than the RX1?
No it isn't. But really damn close. And video vs rx1 isn't even worth a discussion lol. And photos are actually amazing
seems like a good cam
not a bad option for some!
A7c vs Sigma fp please
Shot with Sigma Cameras for years. They are a love or hate brand. I love them. The fp doesn't fit my needs due to a flash sync of 1/15th sec.
@@pauldestocki6356 I think it’s 1/30th
imagine sigma fp with screen articulate and good autofocus and battery ♥♥
Great video...
thanks Steven
Is that even smaller than rx1?
The usb port comes off allow you to attach the hotshoe, this then stores in that attachment.
Also you can't power the fp via USB while on, only charge it while its off.
Glad you got to try one, its a shame you didn't try the DNG video, while large it offers great quality.
Will you buy one...?
WHAT??? THE FP weighs over 4 kg?? It looks like you left off a decimal point in the numbers for the FP.
'Rigging it out' doesnt make it so small any more?
nope, very true
10:24 4422 grams? Surely not.
And both cameras are completely different..
How does that sit well in the hand when holding it? 😂😂😂. It literally has no grip
nice!
The A7 is about half the size of the A7III. If you are comparing size, that would be the one to use as comparison. The fp is about 10% smaller than the A7 and about 10% lighter. I'd say they are basically the same but the A7 adds a grip and a viewfinder which is enough to make up the difference.
fun little camera if you have the money , that is
The fp autofocus...SUCKS...
its not the best
It’s also not a dedicated stills camera. It blows the a7iii out of the water with video specs
Funniest thing about the Sigma FP:
I am working in Hong Kong and you simply cannot give the Sigma FP cameras away of your lofe depended on it, no joke! You can literally find them EVERYWHERE on second-hand camera shops and dealers.. everywhere! Sold like new for pennies on the dollar most of them in original box just a couple months old.. or weeks.
Some go for much less than half of original price in 100% new condition, all papers and new warranty included. Basically, new or used, no one wants to get close to them. Quite frankly, I knew since Sigma's announcement that it would be a flop.. it's simply too small and become ridiculously unbalanced by the time you add just about any lens to it (and let's not even talk about matching it with Cinema lenses which looks ridiculous). Plus full of quirks and compromises, misses on features that everyone wants (some of them very obvious and basic), uses a lens mount for which natively there are almost no lenses.. the list goes on.
But yet, as a concept, I always thought Sigma was bold and courageous and it's spec sheet includes surely some impressive features. I've actually been thinking to get one for myself just to try it out and I consistently find all images I see coming out if this camera to be really, really good.
Thanks for the video :)
thanks for sharing! thats actually very interesting to know. Compared to here when it first came out it was hard to get
Wow.
ND
“Entry level” lolol
Far from entry level lol
Jacob Sedlacek “Entry level cinema camera”
Sigma makes cameras now ?
Indeed
They have been for many years. Often with cool/different sensor types and design concepts: www.dpreview.com/products/sigma/cameras?subcategoryId=cameras&page=1
The reason for that cover on the micro connector coming off so easy is because they can't have anything putting any strain ON THE WORLD'S MOST FRAGILE CONNECTION 🤦♂️...give us a full sized hdmi port Sigma, Panasonic did.
Buy an iPhone 14 Pro better than both
By the end of the intro you convinced me that you couldnt be bothered to do a proper review despite being given the camera to do so for two weeks. So I turned off the video and went looking for someone else.
I think you underestimate the amount of time it takes to make and edit a video.
I buy the panasonic s1h instead
Each to their own
Buddy, I've just checked you out... and trust me, you have literally no need for an S1H. HAHAHA
Maybe first❤
Yes! You were
I just bought Sony a7iii, so I'll just pretend that Sigma cam has nothing good at all 🙈😩
Hahaha
@@chrisbrockhurst hey, I just bought Sony 24mm f1.4 yesterday. Thank you for recommending this lens, it's awesome!
Clearly FP's Promotion..
Clearly a narrow minded keyboard warrior
@@andrethedias He didn't buy the right cards for it.
Interesting design?! LOL. SMH! I wouldn't touch this with a barge pole, got zero character.
It's the world's smallest full frame camera that takes interchangeable lenses. All cameras now are just black rectangles with a sensor.
Sure it definitely doesn't have an interesting design but neither does just about any other so I'm not sure what you want here.
@@tom.mp4 Are you kidding me?! ?World's smallest FF mirrorless camera looks really stupid with the kinda big lenses that they keep coming up with. The going down in size theory about mirrorless is total garbage! They keep coming up with optional bottom addons to make it more weighy and holdable. Secondly ergonomics is important for the user .. just having a black/silver box is just ridiculous. This entire phase currently is a joke .. hope we move on to something more appealing, user friendly and really good with the technical aspects. Most cameras don't even last a year before they start to look stupid if you ask me. Please do not ask me to name names as there is just way too much stupidity out there.
Giveawayyy plzzz
Ha! You think I’m rich 😂
@@chrisbrockhurst lol
Hey, dude! Do you still own this camera? If so, have you test the updated af performance from the latest firmware update 2.0?
was just a loaner unit unfortunately, I saw the update though, looks solid