My attention was on the full rise when they first announced it with that cool promo they ran, but having no EF mount, mediocre screen, and high price is what threw me off from buying this.
Great review! I am also amazed this camera is not blowing up on YT. I really like mine but miss the IBIS (like my GH5) and haven’t found a Leica L OIS lens that i like yet, but the Sigma 14-24mm f/2.8 DG DN is a beast - both in weight in how it looks. My 240mb/s v60 SDXC cannot keep up with FHD 12 bit. It’s my first time shooting with CinemaDNG and even though it can get cumbersome to edit, I like being able to pull out nice stills when shooting videos.
I actually think the fp would be a great camera to use along side the Pocket 6K/4K because of the field of view coverage alone. I shoot on the Pocket 4K with a speedbooster as well and I love what I can do with it but a 6K or the fp would be a perfect side camera to have for narrative work I want to shoot. Having these two in conjunction can help you get really good side angles to bring into the edit while trying to keep the performance cohesive. If you're gonna crop into aspect ratio, the different fov would look very nice in my opinion. Also have to give the camera massive props for how clean it looks even after being compressed by TH-cam.
@@amy-007 A directors viewfinder is a small "box" with a lens and a viewfinder that a director/cinematographer can use to test compositions and framing with a real lens. It's basically a camera without the camera part, just a lens and a vf.
@@Houswal Do you like you own comments? Anyway, you're still in the same boat in terms of buying accessories for the P4K. That was your original argument against the fp.
Wtf! I prefer the look of the Sigma. I almost allways prefer the look of BlackMagic Cameras over almost everything (even over RED). One of the only Cams that has a even better look than the Black Magics are Arris. But this Sigma looks even better than the BMPCC4K
I just picked one of these up a couple of days ago. Then the very next day firmware 2.0 drops, which addresses most of the issues with this camera, as well as added several important features such as ProRes Raw and BRaw. I won’t compare this to the BMPCC 4K or 6K. I’ll simply say I hate plastic cameras. The Sigma is built like a tank. Iit will serve you for many years and comes with a standard 4 year warranty... compare that to Blackmagics 1 year warranty. It’s lowlight is nice. Small size is welcomed. As an owner of the original BMPCC, I can tell you the Fp is the spiritual successor to that camera... not the “Pocket” 4K and 6K variants. It’s comical to refer to those cameras as “Pocket” at all... who’s pockets? Hulks? If Sigma ever makes a Foveon version of this camera I will buy it immediately. The image is n organic and most importantly the motion cadence feels like film. I’ve seen too many cameras with decent colors, that are organic enough, but move like video. Not so the Sigma fp.
good point about the motion cadence, I've been really surprised looking at the footage online. I have the first pocket camera and love the image quality, how does the dynamic range on the sigma compare?
This is exactly what I was seeing as well. BM 4k looked crisp on the face and head and sigma looked like it was soft and fully missing the focus all together. Good video, loved the sample vid of the sweets, that looked proper
After the new firmware update (2.0) the dual base ISO is 100 and 3200
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Man, that full-frame bokeh is undeniably great! I'm super impressed by the quality and color Sigma has made this camera produce. I hate to be ungrateful but full-frame on the BMPCC4k would be another game-changer.
is this linear or log-encoded raw? Confused as to what was meant by the bit at 8:49 . I'm assuming the monitor has a lut applied, but to the dngs look how you expect? Sony supplies linear 16-bit raw from the fx9 and venice, and blackmagic used to output log-encoded 12-bit dng. IIRC 12-bits linear is barely enough to record 14 or more stops, which may explain your dynamic range complaints.
You’ve got 4K 60p? I haven’t seen that in mine at all. Only 1080p. The camera has a lot that’s nice about it but take away the cinema dng 12 bit and it’s out performed by Sony, Nikon, Panasonic full frame stills/ video cameras in every single way. The size comes at a big cost in practicality and cinema dng whilst it may be the “purest” it’s just so old a format and in real world shooting way too data intensive for me. Blackmagic knew this and implemented lossless cinema dng which helped a lot. In reality a great 10 bit codec internally is for me the way to good and I hope Sigma continue to improve the camera with firmware which it can. Give it log. Improve the internal recording. Add an EVF onto the side which I bet they can. I love the idea of the camera more than the actual camera and because of that I am rarely using it.
Yeah, it’s definitely lacking some options. Honestly if it was $2500 but had 4k 60p 12 bit or more codec options then it would be worth the price. Either way the image is quite pleasing and that was really the focus of the video.
hey Spenser，great great review. Been a subscriber for a long time first time commenting I guess haha. Btw which camera did u use for the aroll? Ursa mini? It looks really good. Cheers
Thank you for showing the image you can get out of cameras when lighting for the scene. It is greatly appreciated over the ungraded unlit test footage I usually see.
2 Years later I have ordered one and it seems there may be a resurgence in this camera. All it has missing is 12bit CDNG @ 60fps.. Filesize is much less a problem now...
The Sigma fp is a great camera. I use it for stills and it is wonderful. Simple to use. Can mount so many different lenses and the image quality is terrific. Stills are great in low light. It is certainly my camera of the year in 2019.
This camera vs the BM .. You can clearly see the difference in highlight roll off .. If i had to pick , I would go BM for a gig ...and the sigma for vacation or personal stuff to have fun with a small camera with a great image.. Good review! Thanks
Sigmas older cameras have been just as wild and of significance as this one at their time. They’ve also all been just as weird with trade offs similar to this one... basically Sigma always does this: makes amazing for their time sensors with amazing ridiculous image cameras (color and dynamic range wise) for their times but housed in a box that is not that great (but many times small!)
They're great photography cameras but awful video cameras. I use an SD-1 frequently which can't do video. I know the DP's could do video but it's pretty damn bad.
I'm split right now... Move that sensor and form factor to the BMPCC and I'm sold ! These are the only nice feature of this camera in my view. It missing lot of frame rate support. Missing, timecode input. Apparently in CDNG the audio is not in sync. Missing dedicated Power port. Bluetooth support (I use it with the P4k and Nucleus-M to activate/stop record). It doesn't do 4k DCI (I like having it a little bit wider). High Frame rate support is lacking, but I rarely do it anyway. I think it have 1 less stop of Dynamic Range though than the Pocket. I'm really torn right now about all of it ! I'll try to wait a few month for maybe a new camera release from Blackmagic since I want to support them (I'm not a fan of Sigma support!!!!) !
Interesting,, didn't even register until now. Great video dude. I tested out the Canon FD 50mm F1.2 L series back in the spring, I kind of want to try out the 55 1.2 now. I would buy this camera to use exclusively with my vintage lenses. I've been debating a bunch on the pocket 6k, this might be a little too small for my needs, but it's peaked my interest. This is why I don't jump into buying a new camera right away, it's a MONTHS long ordeal. Kind of also sort of waiting for the A7SIII upgrade that is rumoured. Killed it with this one man.
Thanks. I watch your video a few months ago. Have you seen the recent firmware update? Now this camera is really appealing to me instead of buying a second BMPCC4K. Oh tempting. Cheers. :)
Not gonna lie, the footage from that FP with your Canon FD 55mm looked gorgeous. So are you planning on doing a separate video on the Orion Anamorphic lens you were teasing about on Instagram then?
Spenser Sakurai Oh, did you not buy the FP? And that could be interesting! With the release of the Vazen and especially the Sirui Anamorphic lenses, I think we’ll be seeing a huge rise in indie filmmakers on a budget exploring the Anamorphic Look, much in the same way cameras with RAW codecs are becoming much easier to get access to.
The Nikon z6 has prores raw output to Atomos, is full frame, has IBIS/AF, and is cheaper than this camera. Have you considered reviewing it? Also, I thought the sigma looked a lot softer than the bmpcc 4k at 8:15
Looks like missed focus while working with a very thin depth of field; noticed the same thing. Looks like the front edge (rim) of his hat is in focus, at least to my eyes.
Hi, how are you, I Loved your vid, and decided to post a comment. Coming from photography , I would love to make a filming experience for the first time. Our next trip to Iceland will provide the experience, but, I would love to try a camera that allows me to learn and also film some of the great birding life you may find there. Do you think this camera can do so? or is the bmpocket better? The places we should be going are kind of "the less weight the better" not only as for the hicking but also we need all the time to protect ourself from high winds. Hubby always do so by getting in between me and my cameras! LOL. One thing I noticed when you compared both cameras is the softness between this FP and the BMP 4k...Is that a usual thing? The BmP, showed you sharper, the FP, softer... For bird filming sharper is better...I would love to hear about you, in the meantime best regards, from Uruguay.
It was slightly out of focus. The full frame makes focus a challenge when filming alone. The camera is not soft. It can be very sharp. That was just a mistake in my end.
This is definitely an exciting camera. Great price point, probably overkill for me, and I definitely am not ready to deal with those huge files... but, man, it looks good!
Thank you for this. It is really helpful as I am contemplating this camera for my next purchase. Regarding the space-quality tradeoff, something that I've been using for a few years with 4K CinemaDNG raw from my FS700 is a little program called Slimraw. It takes your uncompressed CinemaDNG footage and offloads it from camera media to storage as true lossless compressed CinemaDNG. This way I save around 2/3 of the disk space in post but still get the full raw image quality. I can image it will also be very useful with the Sigma.
@@robertulrich3964 I just select the whole drive and click "Start" and it does its job transferring and compressing all the footage. It replicates the whole folder structure including the audio files, I am not sure what could be automated further. Very fast too, I usually offload a disk while recording on another and swap media once the disk in the Odyssey is full.
Spencer I’m thinking of getting this camera but I would like to get to get some raw footage in DaVinci Resolve and see how it works. Do you have a small sample clip I could download to try out?
First, this is the best review of the sigma FP out there. Great footage too. Thanks. I am curious about the dynamic range. Larger sensor should be better DR than BM 4k. I am guessing it is the lack of a log profile that limits the DR (whereas BM is all log profile). Thoughts? Also, which did you find to be sharper? I assume the sigma sensor is same as sony a73 and nikon z6 (which may be the same as sony a7r3 and nikon z7- the former having grouped pixels- just my theory). Although, i've heard no AA filter. BMs are always very sharp, so wondering how raw files compare. Thanks again. Great work!
ahh. just caught your log comment on 2nd watch. interesting. so nothing lost without log profile (ie. full tonal curve is there)? curious why DR is less.. also, is HDR video working yet? that should be very interesting for DR.
Very sharp compared to a bm4k with a Speedbooster. Didn’t really look into AA. Not the biggest deal in a controlled environment like I would probably use it but definitely something to look out for. I preferred it much more than the Nikon Z6
Great review! I was also wondering why people weren’t talking about this cam as much. Love that it’s truly compact (pocket sized). What did you shoot your main talking head portion of this video on?
I’m so sorry to have read that the Macaron shop is “permanently closed” according to google maps. Honestly, your video about the camera made me want to have a macaron as well as the camera.
Thanks a lot for this awesome video spencer! You're the only youtuber who can make me watch the full 15 mins and thanks for recreating the Euphoria scene. Keep going, this is a unique channel!
FYI - you can pick up a used Ursa Mini for about the same price in 2020. This looks tempting, but I may be a bit cautious and go for the tried and tested camera first...
I think I’m getting one to throw on an FPV Drone! Everyone is using bmpcc4k but it’s soooo much bigger and I’m sure it weighs much more! Is there any rolling shutter issues?
It's a little over what you said you wanted to spend, but if you can get your hands on the F6 I think it would be a great option. I personally just sold my RED Scarlet to move to the F6 as my A Cam.
I know I'm being too optimistic, but imagine if the a7siii shot 24p 12 bit 4k raw. also there is an adapter coming out for the pocket 6k that makes it a full frame sensor (there is also the sceen flip mod for black-magic by Tilta, and Steadxp+ for stabilizatio)
So you also own this one! Can i get a answer? That is is not having that much of dynamic range but in post production can i get it back as ursa mini g2 .
@@amitanand498 I have a friend that owns one. As for dynamic range the like have you used Resolve to edit it? If you use resolve then tell it to look at the raw format as black magic raw.
That's crazy. I would actually trade my A7iii for this if it didn't mean also upgrading the whole editing setup, hard drives, CPU, etc. to even be able to use it.
Nice nice review. It's such an interesting modular little thing, and built like a tank. I appreciate what Sigma was trying to accomplish with it. Buy the core of a camera, and build it into something that works for you. It lags in some areas verses the competition (ex. focusing), but then exceeds them in others (size/modularity). I hope Sigma gains enough following with it that it doesn't end up being a one-and-done type thing.
bro great video , but please do one or a couple of more videos with complete rig , I want to shoot documentary style videos and this is in my range but I'm worried about buying wrong or useless accessories for it
Did you do a decent comparison between 10bit and 12bit? Crimson Engine just posted a comparison video and he said he doesn’t see a significant enough difference on the fp to justify doing 12. He also strongly recommends to always shoot 4k, regardless of how you’re later downsizing it, because the fp does a lousy job of it. So go to 2k in post, not camera. I’ve got the camera, but I’m pretty much of a noobie to all this.
I really expected this video from you😅 Thanks a lot🙏🏼 Words can’t convey how I like the narrative and visual of your videos🙌🏼 I wish you New Year inspiration for creating future videos and great shots🎥
You have compared many cameras. Is it worth buying UMP G2 compared to Bmpcc4k, Zcam E2 F6. I am interested in the dynamic range and price / quality so that I can squeeze a high-quality, cinematic picture. Now I’m watching Sony Fx9- that I like colors very much, but expensive and without anamorphic mode. What do you advise?
Comes to money youre willing to spend. UMP and fx9 is a "real" camera, the rest need a little help to be properly functional. That being said all these cameras can get the job done if you want to spend less money!
I personally chose the F6 over the G2. They are similar in cost, but the versatility and size of the sensor and photocells on the F6 pushed me over the edge.
Great cam for scouting as well. Would love one but I own too many cameras. Doesn't beat the Pockets usability, highspeed and pro-res workflow. Doesn't beat my Fuji XT3 on the stills front/video autofocus when I need. And the Mavo LF covers my high-end shoots. But for one camera that has little bits of all those... It seems hard to beat. As a directors viewfinder it could pay itself off and then you have a tiny fullframe 12 bit raw b-cam to hide places.
Other reviewers mentioned that the camera had issues with some light flickering and in the blacks there was a lot of color bending. Did you notice any of that?
@@spensersakurai Ok cool, thanks for the info. They probably fixed it with a firmware patch. I don't know, is this really it? I have been waiting for an affordabl full frame cinema camera for the past 6 years... Would you suggest waiting for the second iteration from sigma to iron out all the small problems or should I just go for it?
Hi, thanks for the great review, what’s the difference between the “base ISO” and any other ISO? Could you explain what base ISO is and what it’s used for please, thanks a lot 👍
Wild Bill base/native is where the camera is at its best, the lowest noise, most dynamic range, usually you want to stick around base. There’s more scientific ways to describe it as that’s what the sensor is tuned to operate at but with cameras like the blackmagic you get 2 separate electrical circuits one at 400 & one at 1250 so those 2 will have the best DR & Noise.
Probably the best image on the market right now, certainly in RAW 12 bit, will have to see what the a7s III 16 bit RAW looks like. Has anyone tried this handheld? The small size makes it seem great for run and gun, but no stabilization likely means footage is too shaky and unusuable :/
You've pulled some of the nicest footage I've seen from this body yet, I did notice though, on the A|B comparisons, that the FP was missing a chunk of detail that the BMPCC4k was managing to pull. Was there a noticeable quality difference between the lens on each camera? It reminded me of the difference when I swap out my Sony Kit lens for my Zeiss 55mm. Loved this video, keep up the good work!
All those cameras to choose from... well, after more than one year working with the Sony A7III and A7RIII i begin to think about changing the whole set for the EOS R - what would you suggest? :)
Thanks Spencer for all the great vids you’re putting up here. I have a question that’s slightly off topic for you. I’m preparing to shoot a docuseries and have a BMPCC4K so far. I am considering whether to just double up on that for 2 camera setups but wondering now if it’s worth spending the extra money to get an Ursa Mini as A-cam instead. Any thoughts on this?
fp so far is a good vloging cam + 24fps films, but I need 29.9or 30 fps for the projects I mainly work on.. 4k is essential. hopefully 4k 29.9/30 fps firmware update later soon
Yeah ultimate comparison prores raw in nikon z6 vs bmpcc6k braw vs lumix s1h(prores raw when it comes) vs sigma fp cdng. Image quality, highlight, shadow recovery, highlight rolloff in daylight ,lowlight .
Great video! I have always been interested in filmmaking but can't decide what camera to get. I can only spend about $700 right now. Do you have any recommendations? I am thinking about a Canon DSLR maybe. thanks for any help you can give me.
Would only hope that 2 things happen in firmware. ProRes RAW readout to Ninja, and a WDR mode built into the camera. Maybe better focus peaking as a plus.
when that Prores RAW feature comes out, it will also come out on the Panasonic S1 and Nikon Z6(which is only $1300) as they all share the same sensor as the FP. so save your money.
What do you think about the Sigma FP? Think it has the best video quality of the year?
My attention was on the full rise when they first announced it with that cool promo they ran, but having no EF mount, mediocre screen, and high price is what threw me off from buying this.
Great review! I am also amazed this camera is not blowing up on YT. I really like mine but miss the IBIS (like my GH5) and haven’t found a Leica L OIS lens that i like yet, but the Sigma 14-24mm f/2.8 DG DN is a beast - both in weight in how it looks. My 240mb/s v60 SDXC cannot keep up with FHD 12 bit. It’s my first time shooting with CinemaDNG and even though it can get cumbersome to edit, I like being able to pull out nice stills when shooting videos.
I actually think the fp would be a great camera to use along side the Pocket 6K/4K because of the field of view coverage alone. I shoot on the Pocket 4K with a speedbooster as well and I love what I can do with it but a 6K or the fp would be a perfect side camera to have for narrative work I want to shoot. Having these two in conjunction can help you get really good side angles to bring into the edit while trying to keep the performance cohesive. If you're gonna crop into aspect ratio, the different fov would look very nice in my opinion. Also have to give the camera massive props for how clean it looks even after being compressed by TH-cam.
Spenser Sakurai Definitely getting one and hiring you for projects I’m working on in the US
if it had a mechanical shutter, I'de likely have one already, want occasional photos.
I really respect how you do a test based on a film/tv scene and don’t just film random shit in slow motion. Subbed
Honestly. This camera is awesome. The only thing better than this is the bond and love you and your wife share. I wish you two all the success.
+1!
*claps for the supportive wife
A bunch of productions immediately used them as Director's Viewfinders, which I think is an interesting use for them
wow that is the most badass way of calling something cute
@@amy-007 A directors viewfinder is a small "box" with a lens and a viewfinder that a director/cinematographer can use to test compositions and framing with a real lens. It's basically a camera without the camera part, just a lens and a vf.
I hope the FP finds its market, I think it’s more exciting than the BMPC
By not having half of the features and costing two times more? Not mentioning you have to buy a load of stuff to make it a proper video camera
@@Houswal You're in a similar situation with the Pocket, P4K and P6K in terms of accessories.
@@raksh9 yes but it costs almost twice as less and you get a 300$ Davinci Resolve for free
@@Houswal Do you like you own comments? Anyway, you're still in the same boat in terms of buying accessories for the P4K. That was your original argument against the fp.
@@raksh9 No, I don't. In terms of accessories: you spend that extra 600$ that make up an FP
Hi spenser would you consider doing a sigma FP firmware update video?
Wtf! I prefer the look of the Sigma. I almost allways prefer the look of BlackMagic Cameras over almost everything (even over RED). One of the only Cams that has a even better look than the Black Magics are Arris. But this Sigma looks even better than the BMPCC4K
The dynamic range in this camera is in the shadows, if you expose for the highlights you can easy pull up the shadows
I just picked one of these up a couple of days ago. Then the very next day firmware 2.0 drops, which addresses most of the issues with this camera, as well as added several important features such as ProRes Raw and BRaw.
I won’t compare this to the BMPCC 4K or 6K. I’ll simply say I hate plastic cameras. The Sigma is built like a tank. Iit will serve you for many years and comes with a standard 4 year warranty... compare that to Blackmagics 1 year warranty. It’s lowlight is nice. Small size is welcomed. As an owner of the original BMPCC, I can tell you the Fp is the spiritual successor to that camera... not the “Pocket” 4K and 6K variants. It’s comical to refer to those cameras as “Pocket” at all... who’s pockets? Hulks? If Sigma ever makes a Foveon version of this camera I will buy it immediately. The image is n organic and most importantly the motion cadence feels like film. I’ve seen too many cameras with decent colors, that are organic enough, but move like video. Not so the Sigma fp.
good point about the motion cadence, I've been really surprised looking at the footage online. I have the first pocket camera and love the image quality, how does the dynamic range on the sigma compare?
Hi. How are you finding the auto focus on firmware v2? Any notable change. Thanks in advance.
Why does the side by side look like the sigma is out of focus?
Yeah it's strange, like it looks very soft for me aswell on this monitor.
I think it is. The end of the cap seems to be focussed.
This is exactly what I was seeing as well. BM 4k looked crisp on the face and head and sigma looked like it was soft and fully missing the focus all together. Good video, loved the sample vid of the sweets, that looked proper
I supposed he didnt focused well.
because its out of focus, sigma has a full frame sensor while 4k pocket has tiny sensor... he should have matched the depth of field
Love your work bro, btw what do you think about the Panasonic Lumix s1 and s1h (full frame 4k-6k)
I need to review one those!
That will be awesome man💪
S1 vs bmpcc 4k
S1h vs bmpcc 6k
After the new firmware update (2.0) the dual base ISO is 100 and 3200
Man, that full-frame bokeh is undeniably great! I'm super impressed by the quality and color Sigma has made this camera produce. I hate to be ungrateful but full-frame on the BMPCC4k would be another game-changer.
my dream camera
Such an interesting little camera. I honestly love the simplicity behind it. "Basically just a sensor in a box" literally awesome.
is this linear or log-encoded raw? Confused as to what was meant by the bit at 8:49 . I'm assuming the monitor has a lut applied, but to the dngs look how you expect? Sony supplies linear 16-bit raw from the fx9 and venice, and blackmagic used to output log-encoded 12-bit dng. IIRC 12-bits linear is barely enough to record 14 or more stops, which may explain your dynamic range complaints.
The Dngs are not log but you can just switch the dng profile in resolve to get a log starting point.
You’ve got 4K 60p? I haven’t seen that in mine at all. Only 1080p.
The camera has a lot that’s nice about it but take away the cinema dng 12 bit and it’s out performed by Sony, Nikon, Panasonic full frame stills/ video cameras in every single way. The size comes at a big cost in practicality and cinema dng whilst it may be the “purest” it’s just so old a format and in real world shooting way too data intensive for me. Blackmagic knew this and implemented lossless cinema dng which helped a lot.
In reality a great 10 bit codec internally is for me the way to good and I hope Sigma continue to improve the camera with firmware which it can. Give it log. Improve the internal recording. Add an EVF onto the side which I bet they can.
I love the idea of the camera more than the actual camera and because of that I am rarely using it.
But nice vid and subbed
Yeah, it’s definitely lacking some options. Honestly if it was $2500 but had 4k 60p 12 bit or more codec options then it would be worth the price. Either way the image is quite pleasing and that was really the focus of the video.
For Euphoria, I'm pretty sure they are also netting the lens to create some of that extra bokeh magic. jaw droopingly good images in that show
hey Spenser，great great review. Been a subscriber for a long time first time commenting I guess haha.
Btw which camera did u use for the aroll? Ursa mini? It looks really good. Cheers
Sigma fp
@@spensersakurai thanks for the reply. That A roll is the best image coming from the FP I’ve ever seen.
Thank you for showing the image you can get out of cameras when lighting for the scene. It is greatly appreciated over the ungraded unlit test footage I usually see.
7:58 at what apertures were you on each camera, and frame rate?
Also you can now shoot compressed raw, both Braw and prores RAW
I’ve been talking a lot about it! But only in Japanese haha :) Great video, and cheers from Japan!
And i enjoy your videos about it!
I loved the sketch at the beginning and how you mentioned a bit of how it was done.
by the way we've just released an open-source cross-platform CinemaDNG player which supports the Sigma FP
I don't see on the spec sheet where it can do 4k60 at any color depth.
I think he misspoke
2 Years later I have ordered one and it seems there may be a resurgence in this camera. All it has missing is 12bit CDNG @ 60fps.. Filesize is much less a problem now...
The Sigma fp is a great camera. I use it for stills and it is wonderful. Simple to use. Can mount so many different lenses and the image quality is terrific. Stills are great in low light. It is certainly my camera of the year in 2019.
This camera vs the BM .. You can clearly see the difference in highlight roll off .. If i had to pick , I would go BM for a gig ...and the sigma for vacation or personal stuff to have fun with a small camera with a great image.. Good review! Thanks
Sigmas older cameras have been just as wild and of significance as this one at their time. They’ve also all been just as weird with trade offs similar to this one... basically Sigma always does this: makes amazing for their time sensors with amazing ridiculous image cameras (color and dynamic range wise) for their times but housed in a box that is not that great (but many times small!)
They're great photography cameras but awful video cameras. I use an SD-1 frequently which can't do video. I know the DP's could do video but it's pretty damn bad.
Wow. And I haven't heard any hype about this camera. Pretty Insane... Im still digging the bmpcc a little more though
I'm split right now... Move that sensor and form factor to the BMPCC and I'm sold ! These are the only nice feature of this camera in my view. It missing lot of frame rate support. Missing, timecode input. Apparently in CDNG the audio is not in sync. Missing dedicated Power port. Bluetooth support (I use it with the P4k and Nucleus-M to activate/stop record). It doesn't do 4k DCI (I like having it a little bit wider). High Frame rate support is lacking, but I rarely do it anyway. I think it have 1 less stop of Dynamic Range though than the Pocket. I'm really torn right now about all of it ! I'll try to wait a few month for maybe a new camera release from Blackmagic since I want to support them (I'm not a fan of Sigma support!!!!) !
Interesting,, didn't even register until now. Great video dude. I tested out the Canon FD 50mm F1.2 L series back in the spring, I kind of want to try out the 55 1.2 now. I would buy this camera to use exclusively with my vintage lenses. I've been debating a bunch on the pocket 6k, this might be a little too small for my needs, but it's peaked my interest. This is why I don't jump into buying a new camera right away, it's a MONTHS long ordeal. Kind of also sort of waiting for the A7SIII upgrade that is rumoured.
Killed it with this one man.
Thanks. I watch your video a few months ago. Have you seen the recent firmware update? Now this camera is really appealing to me instead of buying a second BMPCC4K. Oh tempting. Cheers. :)
Good day Spencer I like the sound of the Sigma Fp. Was just wondering if the Sigma Fp has unlimited recording time in all its formats.
Not gonna lie, the footage from that FP with your Canon FD 55mm looked gorgeous. So are you planning on doing a separate video on the Orion Anamorphic lens you were teasing about on Instagram then?
I may do a review over those lenses as a whole and then drop in that sigma footage. That test was just for fun really.
Spenser Sakurai Oh, did you not buy the FP? And that could be interesting! With the release of the Vazen and especially the Sirui Anamorphic lenses, I think we’ll be seeing a huge rise in indie filmmakers on a budget exploring the Anamorphic Look, much in the same way cameras with RAW codecs are becoming much easier to get access to.
The Nikon z6 has prores raw output to Atomos, is full frame, has IBIS/AF, and is cheaper than this camera. Have you considered reviewing it?
Also, I thought the sigma looked a lot softer than the bmpcc 4k at 8:15
Looks like missed focus while working with a very thin depth of field; noticed the same thing. Looks like the front edge (rim) of his hat is in focus, at least to my eyes.
Yeahhhh filming myself isn’t easy on that thin DOF.
I have a video over the Nikon already. I’ll make another with the raw update at some point as well.
I think it is the best camera of 2019. I love mine. Nice review. I’ve subscribed.
Hi, how are you, I Loved your vid, and decided to post a comment. Coming from photography , I would love to make a filming experience for the first time. Our next trip to Iceland will provide the experience, but, I would love to try a camera that allows me to learn and also film some of the great birding life you may find there. Do you think this camera can do so? or is the bmpocket better? The places we should be going are kind of "the less weight the better" not only as for the hicking but also we need all the time to protect ourself from high winds. Hubby always do so by getting in between me and my cameras! LOL. One thing I noticed when you compared both cameras is the softness between this FP and the BMP 4k...Is that a usual thing? The BmP, showed you sharper, the FP, softer... For bird filming sharper is better...I would love to hear about you, in the meantime best regards, from Uruguay.
It was slightly out of focus. The full frame makes focus a challenge when filming alone. The camera is not soft. It can be very sharp. That was just a mistake in my end.
Does it have dual native iso? What's the native iso? Fuji xt3 is iso 200 and iso 1600... Bmpcc4k is iso3200, Panasonic S1h is iso4000
It does now, with firmware 2.0: 100 and 3200.
This is definitely an exciting camera. Great price point, probably overkill for me, and I definitely am not ready to deal with those huge files... but, man, it looks good!
Thank you for this. It is really helpful as I am contemplating this camera for my next purchase.
Regarding the space-quality tradeoff, something that I've been using for a few years with 4K CinemaDNG raw from my FS700 is a little program called Slimraw. It takes your uncompressed CinemaDNG footage and offloads it from camera media to storage as true lossless compressed CinemaDNG. This way I save around 2/3 of the disk space in post but still get the full raw image quality. I can image it will also be very useful with the Sigma.
we need to automate this.
@@robertulrich3964 I just select the whole drive and click "Start" and it does its job transferring and compressing all the footage. It replicates the whole folder structure including the audio files, I am not sure what could be automated further. Very fast too, I usually offload a disk while recording on another and swap media once the disk in the Odyssey is full.
The fact they didn't put a shutter in there breaks my heart.
Global electronic shutter would be great
Spencer I’m thinking of getting this camera but I would like to get to get some raw footage in DaVinci Resolve and see how it works. Do you have a small sample clip I could download to try out?
I like it.😁
First, this is the best review of the sigma FP out there. Great footage too. Thanks. I am curious about the dynamic range. Larger sensor should be better DR than BM 4k. I am guessing it is the lack of a log profile that limits the DR (whereas BM is all log profile). Thoughts? Also, which did you find to be sharper? I assume the sigma sensor is same as sony a73 and nikon z6 (which may be the same as sony a7r3 and nikon z7- the former having grouped pixels- just my theory). Although, i've heard no AA filter. BMs are always very sharp, so wondering how raw files compare. Thanks again. Great work!
ahh. just caught your log comment on 2nd watch. interesting. so nothing lost without log profile (ie. full tonal curve is there)? curious why DR is less.. also, is HDR video working yet? that should be very interesting for DR.
Very sharp compared to a bm4k with a Speedbooster. Didn’t really look into AA. Not the biggest deal in a controlled environment like I would probably use it but definitely something to look out for. I preferred it much more than the Nikon Z6
Good to see more reviews coming out for this camera!
Great review! I was also wondering why people weren’t talking about this cam as much. Love that it’s truly compact (pocket sized). What did you shoot your main talking head portion of this video on?
On the sigma fp and sigma 35 f1.4
I’m so sorry to have read that the Macaron shop is “permanently closed” according to google maps. Honestly, your video about the camera made me want to have a macaron as well as the camera.
Thanks a lot for this awesome video spencer! You're the only youtuber who can make me watch the full 15 mins and thanks for recreating the Euphoria scene. Keep going, this is a unique channel!
Loved your review brother. Lots of love from India, I wish they add 4k 120fps, and recording in prores with an external recorder
FYI - you can pick up a used Ursa Mini for about the same price in 2020. This looks tempting, but I may be a bit cautious and go for the tried and tested camera first...
I have been wondering the same. Thanks for the look!
What about the continuous autofocus in video ?
Wow fd 55 1.2 looks great... I have one but I have never used it on ff
I think I’m getting one to throw on an FPV Drone! Everyone is using bmpcc4k but it’s soooo much bigger and I’m sure it weighs much more! Is there any rolling shutter issues?
It's a little over what you said you wanted to spend, but if you can get your hands on the F6 I think it would be a great option.
I personally just sold my RED Scarlet to move to the F6 as my A Cam.
I know I'm being too optimistic, but imagine if the a7siii shot 24p 12 bit 4k raw. also there is an adapter coming out for the pocket 6k that makes it a full frame sensor (there is also the sceen flip mod for black-magic by Tilta, and Steadxp+ for stabilizatio)
been waitin for this vid!!! thank you!! :)
You should double back on this with the new Firmware update.
So you also own this one!
Can i get a answer?
That is is not having that much of dynamic range but in post production can i get it back as ursa mini g2 .
@@amitanand498 I have a friend that owns one. As for dynamic range the like have you used Resolve to edit it? If you use resolve then tell it to look at the raw format as black magic raw.
@@meatbyproducts thanks sir for this information!🙏
@@amitanand498 hope it helps
Thanks a lot. I think this just might be my next camera.
That's crazy. I would actually trade my A7iii for this if it didn't mean also upgrading the whole editing setup, hard drives, CPU, etc. to even be able to use it.
Nice nice review. It's such an interesting modular little thing, and built like a tank. I appreciate what Sigma was trying to accomplish with it. Buy the core of a camera, and build it into something that works for you. It lags in some areas verses the competition (ex. focusing), but then exceeds them in others (size/modularity). I hope Sigma gains enough following with it that it doesn't end up being a one-and-done type thing.
Have you ever tested the Panasonic gh5s
Oh, new vid from Spencer. Noice. Happy new Year man, do it more often in 2020 :)
bro great video , but please do one or a couple of more videos with complete rig , I want to shoot documentary style videos and this is in my range but I'm worried about buying wrong or useless accessories for it
Check out the ZCam F6; I think you'll love it.
you are amazing, keep uploading man your channel will soon blow
Does the extra bokeh of the Sigma in the comparison reduce apparent noise?
Bigger sensor. Less noise
what did you use to mount the fd to L mount?
sigma fp is fire. I rented one for a week and now I just need to figure out how to justify spending the money to buy one ;\
Damn you definitely have the potential to hit a million subs if you upload often.
Seriously do you guys ship the pastries?
It’s in the works. They are super fragile so it’s a bit tricky.
wait, but what are the upsides and downsides of uncompressed raw tho?
Did you do a decent comparison between 10bit and 12bit? Crimson Engine just posted a comparison video and he said he doesn’t see a significant enough difference on the fp to justify doing 12.
He also strongly recommends to always shoot 4k, regardless of how you’re later downsizing it, because the fp does a lousy job of it. So go to 2k in post, not camera.
I’ve got the camera, but I’m pretty much of a noobie to all this.
I really expected this video from you😅 Thanks a lot🙏🏼 Words can’t convey how I like the narrative and visual of your videos🙌🏼 I wish you New Year inspiration for creating future videos and great shots🎥
You have compared many cameras. Is it worth buying UMP G2 compared to Bmpcc4k, Zcam E2 F6. I am interested in the dynamic range and price / quality so that I can squeeze a high-quality, cinematic picture. Now I’m watching Sony Fx9- that I like colors very much, but expensive and without anamorphic mode. What do you advise?
Comes to money youre willing to spend. UMP and fx9 is a "real" camera, the rest need a little help to be properly functional. That being said all these cameras can get the job done if you want to spend less money!
I personally chose the F6 over the G2. They are similar in cost, but the versatility and size of the sensor and photocells on the F6 pushed me over the edge.
I want to try this with the Panasonic S5
Great cam for scouting as well. Would love one but I own too many cameras. Doesn't beat the Pockets usability, highspeed and pro-res workflow. Doesn't beat my Fuji XT3 on the stills front/video autofocus when I need. And the Mavo LF covers my high-end shoots. But for one camera that has little bits of all those... It seems hard to beat. As a directors viewfinder it could pay itself off and then you have a tiny fullframe 12 bit raw b-cam to hide places.
Other reviewers mentioned that the camera had issues with some light flickering and in the blacks there was a lot of color bending. Did you notice any of that?
I did not notice this.
@@spensersakurai Ok cool, thanks for the info. They probably fixed it with a firmware patch.
I don't know, is this really it? I have been waiting for an affordabl full frame cinema camera for the past 6 years... Would you suggest waiting for the second iteration from sigma to iron out all the small problems or should I just go for it?
Fixed in firmware 2.0.
what cam and lens did you shoot your talking head shot with. I like the look of that a lot.
Sigma fp 35mm f1.4
Hi, thanks for the great review, what’s the difference between the “base ISO” and any other ISO? Could you explain what base ISO is and what it’s used for please, thanks a lot 👍
Wild Bill base/native is where the camera is at its best, the lowest noise, most dynamic range, usually you want to stick around base. There’s more scientific ways to describe it as that’s what the sensor is tuned to operate at but with cameras like the blackmagic you get 2 separate electrical circuits one at 400 & one at 1250 so those 2 will have the best DR & Noise.
Probably the best image on the market right now, certainly in RAW 12 bit, will have to see what the a7s III 16 bit RAW looks like. Has anyone tried this handheld? The small size makes it seem great for run and gun, but no stabilization likely means footage is too shaky and unusuable :/
Use an OIS lens.
Does this camera actually have 4K60p? I haven't seen that anywhere else.
You've pulled some of the nicest footage I've seen from this body yet, I did notice though, on the A|B comparisons, that the FP was missing a chunk of detail that the BMPCC4k was managing to pull. Was there a noticeable quality difference between the lens on each camera? It reminded me of the difference when I swap out my Sony Kit lens for my Zeiss 55mm. Loved this video, keep up the good work!
You could definitely see how the Metabones effected the image.
All those cameras to choose from... well, after more than one year working with the Sony A7III and A7RIII i begin to think about changing the whole set for the EOS R - what would you suggest? :)
I got a 2 minute advertisement for the FP and thought it was the actual video, so I watched it all... 🤦♂️
Is there any chance that you would be willing to share some of the raw files from those shoots you did for us to play with?
I saw an Ad about the Sigma FP, it was absolutely amazing
Thanks Spencer for all the great vids you’re putting up here. I have a question that’s slightly off topic for you. I’m preparing to shoot a docuseries and have a BMPCC4K so far. I am considering whether to just double up on that for 2 camera setups but wondering now if it’s worth spending the extra money to get an Ursa Mini as A-cam instead. Any thoughts on this?
fp so far is a good vloging cam + 24fps films, but I need 29.9or 30 fps for the projects I mainly work on.. 4k is essential. hopefully 4k 29.9/30 fps firmware update later soon
The 2.0 update gives you 4K 29.97, and a lot more.
wow~when copy cDNG sequences from ssd to 2.5' hard-disk, it take such a long time hours and hours, is there any tricks to speed up the copy?
It’s really great tool! Conceptually new!
Seemingly the spec and pricing of Fp is dangerously close to Nikon z6 with raw upgrade. Would you like to do a comparison?
Yeah ultimate comparison prores raw in nikon z6 vs bmpcc6k braw vs lumix s1h(prores raw when it comes) vs sigma fp cdng. Image quality, highlight, shadow recovery, highlight rolloff in daylight ,lowlight .
Great colour grading
what lut did u use for this video
Great video! I have always been interested in filmmaking but can't decide what camera to get. I can only spend about $700 right now. Do you have any recommendations? I am thinking about a Canon DSLR maybe. thanks for any help you can give me.
I had no idea you stayed in oklahoma city, i say here also and i been watching your videos for months now lol
Would only hope that 2 things happen in firmware. ProRes RAW readout to Ninja, and a WDR mode built into the camera. Maybe better focus peaking as a plus.
when that Prores RAW feature comes out, it will also come out on the Panasonic S1 and Nikon Z6(which is only $1300) as they all share the same sensor as the FP. so save your money.
How did you setup this video, lighting and lens?
Like my talking head?
@@spensersakurai Did you film your talking head with the FP + the 35mm 1.4?
Footage looks good. But I think it's always hard to see the full quality once it passes through YT compression.