Explaining Voepass Flight 2283 Crash: How the ATR 72 Accident Happened in Vinhedo, São Paulo, Brazil
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 ก.ย. 2024
- In this video, I explain how the tragic crash of Voepass Flight 2283 occurred, leading to the loss of all 61 passengers on board.
The aircraft, an ATR 72-500, was en route when it likely encountered severe difficulties at flight level 170. Ice formation on the wings is believed to have caused the plane to become uncontrollable, making it nearly impossible for the pilots to regain control. As a result, the plane tragically plunged to the ground in Vinhedo, Brazil. All 61 passengers die in this flight.
My deepest sympathies go out to the families and loved ones affected by this devastating accident.
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During a domestic flight in Brazil an atr72 crashed. possible causes were mentioned such as icing or mechanical problems in the engines. the plane came out of the light like a brick. all 61 occupants died. we wish all relatives much strength
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@@UmFadeTudo are you sure?
@@BullBosphorusYes, I'm Brazilian and I saw the news that there were 62 people, 58 passengers and 4 crew members, one of them had 2 children and a dog...
@@UmFadeTudo oh noo very sad for them all. I cant change the video now.
@@BullBosphorus I'm from Brazil and it was here today that news was reported about the conversations obtained by the plane's black box. It was like this with a lot of screams, indicating that everyone was conscious until the plane fell to the ground. Data extracted from the black boxes indicated that the aircraft suffered a sudden loss of altitude. Upon noticing the crash, the co-pilot stated that it was necessary to "give power" to the aircraft, a measure to try to stabilize the plane. A minute later the impact with the ground occurred, and the recording ends with the sound of passengers' screams and a bang.
Hello, I'm a pilot in the Brazilian Air Force FAB. The Voepass plane that crashed in Vinhedo (SP) underwent maintenance after suffering damage 'structural damage' in March this year. The ATR-72-500 turboprop model had air conditioning problems, hydraulic system failure and abnormal contact with the runway. The problems began on March 11 of this year. Report showed that there was “abnormal contact” between the aircraft and the runway at the time of landing, on a trip from Recife to Salvador. According to the investigation teams, the “abnormal contact” was a collision between the plane's tail and the airport runway. According to what was reported in the company's maintenance system, the accident caused “structural damage” to the aircraft. The aircraft was parked in the capital of Bahia for 17 days, until March 28, and underwent repairs at the Voepass workshop. The plane whose prefix I cannot provide only returned to flight on July 9th, and had an alleged depressurization during the flight. That's all I can say at the moment.
@@suetam1939 probably not though because of the recorder hearing voices
A flat spin implies that the aircraft is tail heavy and the tail plane is completely stalled thus pitch control is no longer possible. In normal flight, a tail-heavy plane requires lift from the tail plane to maintain controlled flight. A lifting tail should operate at lower co-efficient of lift than the wings so that the wing will stall first when forward speeds are too low and the tail is still lifting to push the nose down to regain speed. However, if the de-icing boots on the tail plane not working properly allowing more ice accumulation on the tail than on the wings, such that the tail section becomes heavier due to ice accumulation and making the tail plane stalls before the wings, then a flat spin situation will occur. Perhaps the "abnormal contact" to the rear of the aircraft may have done some thing to impair the de-icing system of the tail plane, allowing more ice accumulation there to make the tail heavier and the tail plane more prone to stalling?
Please note that it is impossible to put a transport plane into a flat spin when loaded normally, because the tail plane will always provide lift even when the wings have stalled in order to push the nose down. Thus, there is NO WAY that the flight sim would re-enact this type of flat spin. It is just not possible. Only when the tail becomes heavier due to ice accumulation, and the ice roughens the tail surface making it more prone to stalling that a flat spin would occur.
@@misterpercy5187 Context of the ATR Accident
Voepass ATR Accident:
The accident involving the ATR 72 operated by Voepass (formerly known as Passaredo) occurred in August 2020 when the aircraft veered off the runway during takeoff under adverse weather conditions.
Weather Conditions:
In Brazil, especially in certain regions, weather conditions can differ significantly from those in other countries. Factors such as high humidity, intense rainfall, and varying temperatures can impact aircraft operations.
Flat Spin and Ice Accumulation
Flat Spin:
A flat spin is a situation where an aircraft spins with the tail stalled and control of pitch is lost. This phenomenon is more commonly associated with high-performance aircraft and is not typically encountered in normal operations of commercial aircraft.
Ice Accumulation and De-icing Systems:
Ice accumulation can affect an aircraft by reducing the efficiency of both the tailplane and the wings. De-icing systems, such as de-icing boots, are designed to prevent ice formation and ensure safe operation. Failures in these systems can lead to dangerous conditions, including tailplane stall.
Climatic Differences and Aircraft Impact:
In Brazil, tropical climate conditions may not typically result in significant ice formation compared to colder climates in other countries. However, adverse weather conditions such as heavy rain and wind can still have a significant impact on aircraft performance.
Flight Simulators
Simulators and Weather Conditions:
Flight simulators have limitations in accurately replicating all weather conditions and specific scenarios. They may not precisely reproduce the effects of ice accumulation or other weather-specific variables that occur in real-life environments.
Conclusion
For the Voepass ATR accident, it is important to consider the specific weather conditions at the location, the integrity of the de-icing systems, and the aircraft's operation under those conditions. While a flat spin is a rare situation typically associated with specific performance aircraft, failures in de-icing systems and adverse weather conditions can contribute to critical events.
If there are more specific details about the accident that need to be discussed or clarified, please provide further information.
No entiendo cómo es que el avión ya tenía varias anomalías y le permitieron seguir volando
@@carmenleticiadominguezrami7254 Fico me perguntando a mesma coisa, imprudencia no Brasil e o que não falta inclusive de empresas que ao inves de solucionar os problemas e manter as coisas em ordem eles simplesmente optar por ignorar e a consequencia e a queda e a morte de 62 pessoas.
Once a t-tail plane stalls, it’s virtually impossible to recover.
This is just like the Pulkovo 612 crash in 2006.
@@andrewrobinson8305 what hpoened there exactly?? Do you have a flight number of that??
That's not the case,Tu-154 is prone to stall at certain angle
why would you put people screaming: isn't the situation tragic enough
That shows the reality. This video title says how it crashed, so thats the reason why it hppened so
What are you 12?
Definitely no need to artificially add the sound of screaming.
@@andrewrobinson8305 lets think about the family of people who died in this tragic event.
@@rad9738 yes
I find this video weird. First because nobody knows what occurred, so the description is misleading. Secondly because the only information we have recorded in video (the flat spin) is not accurately depicted at all. Also, the screams and the music… lol, really?
RIP crew and passagens of Voepass 2283.
RIp
Unless the design has changed. There is no “defroster”. There is an ice detecting system on the side of the forward fuselage. Pneumatic boots on the leading edge of the wings. The boots were redesigned after the Roselawn Indiana crash in the 90s. Severe icing was deemed the cause. But the CVR indicated the pilots weren’t even reacting to the ice detection alerts. I flew the atr42 in canada for 3 years with no issues whatsoever
It’s too early to make any speculations about this accident..
Thats maybe a reason why it could crashed, but it can also be another reason. That was actuallly what I thought in first reaction
They update it was 62 passengers now
Unfortunately
But 1 survivor
@@AIRPORTMADNESS3D source?
@@Randomly_Browsing What do you mean source?
Foi aqui na minha cidadde...vinhedo sp brasil..tenho um comércio proximo..se ele cai 1 km para frente iria atingir uma escola gigantesca junto com uma rodoviária lotada...mas Deus segurou
Hablamos entonces de mucha suerte, pero por otro lado menos suerte para el avión.
Também sou brasileira 😸
@@BullBosphorusYou add unnecessary screams and then writes in spanish to a portuguese comment?
L'avion est tombé en chute libre d'une altitude de 1250 mètres, lorsqu'il a commencé à descendre
Crashing through that pickup truck was the cause of the plane doing down.
I think so too. Maybe something came loose during this collision
Lol.
We can think of many plausible cause for this tragic event! One thing is certain though...."the plane wings stalled and entered into an unrecoverable flat spin" - what caused the spin initially, will have to be determined by investigators.
we will see in due course what the reason for the crash was. we would have preferred it not to have crashed
Meu Deus que triste imagina o desespero das pessoas dentro do avião o avião caindo e ninguém poder fazer nada .
Puedes ver que la vida a veces es muy corta y de repente te toma por sorpresa. ojalá no sufrieran mucho
Verdade.
Sim isso foi triste por que a menina foi passa o dias dos pais com o pai e morreu com o pai no aviao
Another ART-72 had electrical problems yesterday. It was diverted to Minas Gerais, its final destination was São Paulo, Guarulhos Airport - GRU.
Eu imagino o desespero desse povo sabendo que o avião estava caindo e ninguém podia fazer nada Deus de um bom lugar a todos eles
We are very sorry for the loss of our fellow human being in different age and sex. We ask the Lord to protect us from such events.
We have as well heard from former pilots and professionals in field, expressing about possible causes of the accident. Icing has been mentioned by many. Has what is mentioned here saved some of our planes:- “Rubber-like 'boots' attached to the leading edges of wings and tail surfaces rapidly inflate and deflate, breaking away any ice attached to the surface.”
Let us do more researches which could lead in
improving technologies on our planes to prevent further loss of human and properties
De los Aprox 1100 ATR 72 que se fabricaron Sólo 13 se estrellaron pero 3 de ellos por causa de la formación de hilo y este podría ser el 4 si se confirma la hipótesis.
Today another Voepass ATR 72 suffered a breakdown and made an emergency landing
Woooww whats going on bruhh where was that???
That looked so scary😭 i dont wanna experience it im never going on an plain😭
@@gachakira167 don't worry there are so many planes flying around the world that the chance that your plane will crash is so small
A flat spin implies that the aircraft is tail heavy and the tail plane is completely stalled thus pitch control is no longer possible. In normal flight, a tail-heavy plane requires lift from the tail plane to maintain controlled flight. A lifting tai should operate at lower co-efficient of lift than the wings so that the wing will stall first when forward speeds are too low and the tail is still lifting to push the nose down to regain speed. However, if the de-icing boots on the tail plane not working properly allowing more ice accumulation on the tail than on the wings, such that the tail section becomes heavier due to ice accumulation and making the tail plane stalls before the wings, then a flat spin situation will occur.
Please note that it is impossible to put a transport plane into a flat spin when loaded normally, because the tail plane will always provide lift even when the wings have stalled in order to push the nose down. Thus, there is NO WAY that the flight sim would re-enact this type of flat spin. It is just not possible. Only when the tail becomes heavier due to ice accumulation, and the ice roughens the tail surface making it more prone to stalling that a flat spin would occur.
Mhh interesting
The explosions and edited screams is a tad bit too much and too soon for this tragic event to be displayed this way
@@fancyman4205 this is roughly how it went. reality can be harsh sometimes.
@@BullBosphorus then why not add the icing conditions? This didn't happen on a clear sunny day.
@@krist6074Aero Caribbean: am I a joke to you?
Those poor people!!!
Isso foi muito 😢
Iam sorry for the sadnes my friend
@@BullBosphorus 🙌
Could lowering the landing gears and deploying flaps help the plane out of flat spin?
Hi! I am from Brazil, and sadly its 62 now... (confirmed)
@@myxsun ok we understand very bad situation that there is another one die in the flight
That screaming is exactly what happens when passengers feel they are in danger. I was on a DC6 out of Mexico City approaching L. A., California. It was a bumpy approach to LAX, and the people thought we were crashing. They Started wailing just like this video .
@@ghtaboma I understand you have fond memories of this flight?
@@BullBosphorus I was taking flying lessons at the time and was familiar with bumpy air currents.
@@ghtaboma those are terrible moments to experience. during my student days I also had some turbulent flights
I learned that the word controle now has an E at the end of it.
@@kevinc6763 why are you so concerned about a spelling mistake instead of focusing on a video explaining how a plane crashed.
62 Passangers and one dog.
merhabalar hocam, bir sorum olacak. gerçek hayatta uçakların ILS yaklaşma sırasında yaşadığı sorunlar veya teknik aksaklıklar var mıdır? sinyaldeki kesinti veya parazitler gibi... bununla ilgili bidiğiniz bir kaza kırım var mıdır ? çok teşekkürler.
Benim bildigim yok ancak ils antenine bir saldiri yada devrilme gibi birsey olursa ucaktaki ils baglanti gider. Cok basit bir teori
If ice build-up is noticed, the defroster should be turned on.
That's the problem now that probably didn't work if that was the case on this flight
It’s not that simple. De icing boots have to be used carefully or they are ineffective.
Is that turning on automaticslly or is that used by manually!?
@@BullBosphorus they can be automatic, but you have to select the automatic mode on most of them, but I’m not familiar with the ATR itself.
@@peteconrad2077 oh oke on that way I understand. Something went terrible wrong is this flight but we will hear soon
Dios santo pobre gente que desesperación y miedo debieron de haber sentido en esos momentos, QEPD señor dales fortaleza a sus familiares
I have a theory, I collected data on flight radar and before the plane crashed, the plane had dropped -1,000 f/m and suddenly the plane climbed +20,000 f/m and after that it experienced a flat spin. is it human error or a mechanical error in the aircraft because it is impossible for the aircraft to suddenly climb more than +10,000 f/m without human or mechanical error.
was that on purpose?
Is this a conspiracy from the state?
was this purely an accident due to mechanical failure?
Or my theory is wrong?
So what about yall think?
sorry my English is still lacking (skill issue)
that's just my theory
20.000+????? It looks like it goes with the nose full upwards and then came down like a flat spin 😢
1. Flight radar isn’t necessarily accurate.
2. You haven’t given a theory.
@@peteconrad2077I dont need a theory my friend. this is a gut feeling
@@BullBosphorus 1. You said you had a theory.
2. You didn’t even tell us what you gut instinct is.
Foi muito triste o acidente 😢/The accident was very sad 😢 (sou do estado do Pará-Brasil /I'm from the state of Pará-Brazil )
People screaming terryfied me 😢 i know is edited video but we cant imagine people inside there what they felt in those seconds its horrible 😢😢😢😢
Atr 72 not used in usa due icing issue, so poor Brazilian flying on the 2nd hand planes that no countries really want it.
too bad that these planes are still in use in Brazil. I also have a bad idea that planes are poorly maintained there.
"Making it impossible and difficult to regain control" ...also what's with the epic movie music?
They have to design a system that recovers automacally at the moment that the plane gets in same situation
I lost a friend on that flight....
how awful to experience something like this. condolences my friend
Um avião dessa mesma imprensa VOEPASS já trabalhou aqui em carauari Amazonas nos chamávamos de map mas ele não trabalha mais aqui agora trabalha pra GOL
Dont was 61 ocuppants, was 62, 4 of crew and 58 of passangers
how do you know that for sure
I think the aircraft stalled out. I looked on playback and the speed showed around 30 knots.
@@americanaviation556 that is a considerably low speed for an airplane. it doesn't surprise me that the plane then comes down
Más ele n caiu rodando mano muito triste essa tragédia qui aconteceu 😢🇧🇷🤝👍
It did not hit the ground at full speed . Have you not seen the video footage? More like 100 miles an hour .
@@gusm5128 😰😰😰😰😰🥹😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😥😥😥😥😥😰😨😱
The reverse mechanism in the propeller failed and get activated... That's why the plane was rotating that way it does... One propeller was pushing forward while the other was pushing back.
Unreliable and unsafe mechanism.
Uhh thats a big difference. from what I hear, the maintenance did not go well
Very unlikely.
@@peteconrad2077 but there is a very good chance that the plane crashed because of something with the wings
@@BullBosphorus that’s like saying there a good chance that someone died by not living any more. It covers just about everything. Hardly an idea.
how would you know how the plane was rotating ?? From this bad simulation ? Forget it !!!
sad..... The passengers: RIP
Thank you for the sympathy of the victims and the survivors. I want to say that I will never experience this again, but as long as there are flights this will continue to happen I suspect
this aircraft stalled, and pilots failed to recover it from stall.maybe a human error but seems ATR 72 Technical issue.History of ATR 72 CRASHS shows the engines malfunctioning shifting props to feather in mid flight.
I believe after they stalled instead of pushing forward on the elevator control to break the stall, the pilots made the rookie mistake and pulled aft to try to stop the descent and held back elevator until impact this keeping their airplane stalled.
Maybe if they turned of or throttle on idle position they hd more chance to survive. But this is a speculation of course
That' s an awfull tragedy that happened two days before " theFather's Day" in Brazil. As we have already known that the captain was an excellent pilot and very attentive to every passangers! We believe that it occured by some negligence of the Voepass Airlines president that did not repair the Antice System of this airplane in 2023, so the ice covered the wings and provoked the flat Spin fall and the tragic crash. 😢😢
THIS ATR HAS BEEN A TROUBLE ALL THE TIMES
eu moro em Brasil foi uma tragedia
acidente trágico, matando 62 pessoas aqui no Brasil, com certeza muito triste 😢
The plane was made by the French and Italians, not a shock it happened.
Having flown European and American aircraft I can assure you, Europe makes better aircraft.
what could it have been due to? europe or america?
@@BullBosphorus that doesn’t mean anything.
Why not install camera and sensor to detect icing?
@@eduardodaquiljr9637 that is all too hard to simulate. do you have any idea how to do that?
@@BullBosphorus yes I have,
Can you tell me how to do that?
Wrong Attitude is depicted here
seriously. are you going to care? as if the crash was altitude dependent? 😂
On flightradar it gives this altitude, so its about and not exactly
“Attitude”, not “altitude”.
Don’t you know the difference??
@@andrewrobinson8305 we are talking about altitude here and not attitude of the plane someone please explain the difference to him😂
By "wrong attitude", I suppose he meant that the real aircraft went into a flat spin with the fuselage and the nose in horizontal attitude, instead of a regular spin as depicted in this video with the nose pointing down. A flat spin implies that the aircraft is tail heavy and the tail plane is completely stalled thus pitch control is no longer possible. In normal flight, a tail-heavy plane requires lift from the tail plane to maintain controlled flight. A lifting tai should operate at lower co-efficient of lift than the wings so that the wing will stall first when forward speeds are too low and the tail is still lifting to push the nose down to regain speed. However, if the de-icing boots on the tail plane not working properly allowing more ice accumulation on the tail than on the wings, such that the tail section becomes heavier due to ice accumulation and making the tail plane stalls before the wings, then a flat spin situation will occur.
Please note that it is impossible to put a transport plane into a flat spin when loaded normally, because the tail plane will always provide lift even when the wings have stalled in order to push the nose down. Thus, there is NO WAY that the flight sim would re-enact this type of flat spin. It is just not possible. Only when the tail becomes heavier due to ice accumulation, and the ice roughens the tail surface making it more prone to stalling that a flat spin would occur.
Icing is not possible without visible moisture. Your depiction shows a severe clear day so ice cannot form in your simulation.
@@pdspartner1 you are a seeker
since this is a simulator i did it on a clear day for clear image. its true that there must be clouds for iks formation
@@BullBosphorus pls redo the simulation and crate a stall that was not a stall. And ice was not the leading factor into cashing the plane to crash.
@@Sherlock245one video is enough. I cant make another video about a tragedic accident 😢
@@BullBosphorus others done it not just a bad accident it killed so many doctors and will redefine braizilan airplane industry once investigations beewrap up.
Hi, I'm from Brazil. I recorded the terrible fall, it was scary. I went to São Paulo to see the black box and it says Captain: what's going on? Co-pilot: no Plane:Stall Copilot: Let's go CAI Captain:PULL Passengers:(SHOUTING Soon after, he hears a loud noise...
Bruh this is completely wrong
Can you explain instead of shouting something without being able to argue it?
The plane first dipped down and then violently up then stalled and flatspinned I should have explained sorry
This is not worse because it can't be worse. It's absolute rubbish.
Jesus can change your life ❤️
I appreciate your efforts to inform people, but I find this video based on assumptions since even the preliminary report has not been released yet. Therefore, the title "How the ATR 72 Accident Happened" is just a clickbait.
Lamentamos muito está tragédia aérea , vão todos com deus
6:37 BRO THAT WAS NOT A REAL EXPLOSION
Was he supposed to hand paint a real explosion lmao
@@Basketball4Life419 if you want a real explosion then you better get in a real plane once. if you are lucky then it goes down then you will be able to see real explosion
@@theREALDanteStone lol
Van 43 seconden op zoek heeft aan auto raakt van achterkant vliegtuig daarom neerstort
Ja ik denk het ook die auto zat gewoon in de weg
Não ficam triste pois o avião voltou
El ATR tiene alas muy angostas y muy cortas el planeo en vuelo natural es critico.
No tengo experiencia con este tipo de aviones. debes tener razón. especialmente cuando se trata de un avión de pasajeros
5:21 Crash time😢
@@Ahlen_avgeek_gd very sad moments
@@BullBosphorus yes😢😢😢
Que todas as pessoas que se foram neste acidente encontrem a luz.
Um acidente na aviação nunca é em vão.
Airplane intrinsic bad design
Sem necessidade esses gritos.
Absurdo esse vídeo! Qual a necessidade??
Im from brasil😢
O sangue de Cristo tem poder meu Deus toma a frente espírito santo de Deus, 🥺
q triste 😢😢
Please don't speak spanish to a portuguese speaker again.
NO IS BRAZIL IS BRASIL
Que vídeo mais mentiroso e mequetrefe . Desde quando a picape vai ficar parada na pista daquele jeito ? É desde quando o piloto ia passar por cima da picape ?
@@Gabriel-tm2jh you are not on track
Ice 🧊
most likely ice formation on the wings caused the fall, but it could have been something else
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Name game
Qual foi do bagulho
Sou do Brasil
Hello me Brazil lt's
Sou brasileiro 😎
😭😢😢😢😢
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Que hagas la animación, vale.
Que pongas voces de mujeres, hombres y niños gritando en el minuto 5'42'' es de muy pero que Muy Mal Gusto.
Piensa que podía ser tu madre una de las que fueran en ese avión.
Y por último te lo he dicho sin insultarte, que ganas no me han faltado.
Entiendo que da miedo verlo en tiempo real, pero no lo veas si no te atreves. el título dice claramente que es una explicación de cómo sucedió.
o no 0:17
ok lets go 0:36
0:47 bruhhhh
This car makes it. Just the fault of the driver I think😮
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Reconstruction of the accident is false. Saw in a real video in the news that it was effectively a FLAT spin, in this simulation it is never such a spin. But wing leading edge icing as a cause is only possible in high density clouds at or above freezing level. Latter was possible at FL170, however in the simulation there is no cloud what so ever. So this is just a misleading video just to forget. As well as the take-off roll and the second "another person on ground filmed the accident" which is by no way an original shot but just another repetition of the badly (deep dive) simulated spin. So meteorology can play a big role - but this is all but speculation. 👎
don't look too far please. the video was made to show the viewers how it would have happened. be a little respectful to the creator of the video because a lot of effort was put into simulating it as best as possible.
@@BullBosphorus truth is more important then you ego
@@BullBosphorus 🙏 thank you🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷
Inopportun music
Why actually?? I thought it would fit such a dramatic accident. What did you have in mind?
@@BullBosphorus The music that accompanies the reconstruction of the events hurt me. I think of the relatives of the victims. Sorry if I wrote this criticism but this is what I felt. For the rest I appreciate the graphics.
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Cenipa apresenta simulação de queda do avião da Voepass em Vinhedo