HYPOCRITE CEO - "STOP JOB HOPPING, ITS NOT WORTH THE RAISE YOU CAN GET"
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I stayed seven years in a lousy job because I didn't want to be perceived as a job hopper. That was my worst career mistake ever.
Man from what I seen they respect job hoppers more. You take risks to better yourself. You’re not at a dead end and your presence is scarce. Secretly you become the person that they wish they could be.
I’ve worked for almost 30 companies since 18. From toxic work environments to garbage pay, you do what you gotta do. I will be down the road starting my own company, that’s true freedom. Or find a REALLY GOOD EMPLOYER.
I stayed in a s... Job for 9 years 😔
5 years for me. No more
If it's toxic you got to go. I think staying a year is good but if it's messing with your health and well-being time to go.
"Stop trying to better your life like I did..you're making mine difficult" - CEOS
Bingo!
Yep
😅
“Just stay at one company at get your 1-2% raise! Meanwhile, I’ll get my millions in bonus yearly.”
Lmaooo, you are reading between the lines from this hypocrite dude.
and if you look at inflation, that means that employee is making less every year even w/ those 1-2% raises
@@asdfkjahsdfkls1123 yep while the top heavy organization with bonus cronies get their money grown without much work
They get those Company stocks and all the board members just sit there and inside trade if it a publicly traded company they just sell and buy their shares back and forth.
Pretty much lol. They are getting record bonuses and saying to be happy with the 2%! lol.
Literally laughed out loud at "It's not worth the 20% salary bump" 😂
Same! XD
Right! Yes the hell it is!
“What is worth is working for me for the same pay check, until you retire. Your loyalty will be rewarded with meaningless badges from our company that don’t raise your value as a worker at all”
1/5th increase to salary just for leaving? Uhhhhh, yeah, it is. 🙄🙄🙄🤭
20% is an immense jump. It says only one thing, his workers are severely underpaid and he's hemorrhaging staff as a result.
Not even 5 seconds in and the CEO is basically telling me not to choose an option that benefits me. As a CEO you would do ANYTHING to keep your business afloat including that 20% raise. What CLOWNS! 🤡🤡🤡
@c h Well, now you can come back to your old company in a new, more senior role, and for even higher pay 😉
He says "1-2 years isn't enough time to learn how to do your job properly"
Translated. "We train our employees how to work for the next company"
@c h Yeah, it happens. Unfortunately, you need to do everything to screen the company and team that you are thinking about working with - and it's a really hard thing to do. I, working in Warsaw, already know which companies to avoid.
I’d fire that guy if I was the hire ups guys that like are the reason why many companies fail
@@klopcodez But companies still protect toxic low-level managers, it's mind-boggling to me.
I've heard and seen recruiters say the same thing. "Don't job hop so much cuz it looks bad" while their job history includes 10 jobs in 7 years
Not to mention they hire you anyways
Lmao right and your like how people got so much experience.
At the low end I had like 26 jobs in 14 years.. because I started when i was 14 and had 2 or three at a time trying to pay those bills. It was a gut punch getting denied employment in my 40's because of what I had to do to survive my 20's in one of the hardest economies in America.
@@OptimusPrimordial you got denied employment cuz you job hopped?
@@OptimusPrimordial Why would you list the jobs you had 20 years ago?
I am a recruiter and it’s shocking how many people post against job hopping but do it themselves.
You think it's strategic? 'don't job hop ( my employees).'
Bull$hit cuts both ways.
"We're like family here!"
Yeah OK sure, and I won't job-hop either. Right up until that "family" charade falls apart...
Your arguments called a Tu quoque look it up
Oh no, people are LYING to make themselves more attractive to employers? Where did they get the idea to do that?!?!
If this continues *employers* might start lying to *applicants...* 🤨
@@demonic_myst4503 Tu quoque sounds like an argument someone who got caught not practicing what they preach would come up with to stop people from ignoring them because they are making rules for others, but not themselves.
"G-Guys, you can't ignore me just because I don't do what I tell you to be doing, that's, like, a fallacy! My argument still has merit, guys!"
If he actually believed that his argument had merit, he wouldn't be acting in the exact opposite fashion to the one he suggests. Clearly, he has nothing against job-hopping to increase HIS salary.
Like it or not, your argument loses a lot of weight if you're not following your own advice.
My wife literally tripled her income within 3 years after so called Job Hopping.
If you have accomplishments throughout your career, you have to strategically leverage them as a springboard for your next position.
What field is she in if you dont mind me asking?
She was lucky, congrats
@joske7804
Fund development for non-profits (Canada)
I doubled my salary a year and a half ago, my old company made a counter offer to a new position i had been offered, and my new (current) company made a counter-counter offer lmao, it was a no brainer, also the old company wanted to demand more of me because "we did you the favor of making a counter offer" and the new company was like "don't worry this is just the salary for your position, it is still within range", some companies just don't want to pay the fair market salary for your position, and the salary you start off is gonna make a big different in the offers other companies make you. Im currently about to interview for another position Inside my same company and everyone (current boss, potential new boss and HR) is cool with it even tho its just been a year and a half, they probably rather me stay at the same company than going somewhere else entirely, thats how companies could actually retain employees unfortunately many companies don't like to see you grow
@@purplecrayonismine2585 Nice dude, that sounds like the dream. No doubt you must be filling a key position or be exceptional in some sense, may I ask what you do for a living? You can answer broadly or not at all if you'd prefer not to answer. Thanks!
Every CEO when talking about themselves: "Take risks in life and work toward your goals."
CEOs when talking about you: "Don't take risks and remain my slave."
I’m glad we can be more vocal about these corporate clowns and the corporate circus.
Basically. “Don’t think for yourself and leave when you want to…..I want you to leave when I need a big bonus for my 3rd house”
That guy has about 3 years of work experience, then he started his own company. Don't listen to Bobby.
This is why you never trust a CEO
Its like a cult. They dont want their employees to have a reference point. I gave a two week notice one time, and was told to pack my sh-t that day....this was following the first time I resigned, and I was begged to stay....a few months later? I was constantly threatened after they hired my replacement....who also quit a few months after I did.
Dont ever give a two week notice...lie like a rug and say you have a family member to take care of, and just take a leave of absence. None of their damn business why you want to leave, and they already know anyway...exit interviews are a joke and are only there to see if your a compliant drone or somebody who knows their value and finds it elsewhere.
CEOS are so touchy and immature these days...acting like a betrayed "family" member....ugghh...I hate that term. Their not family, they're the same, miserable people I have nothing in common with except we all hate our job.
When I graduated as an adult having gone back to school as an adult, I took the only job that would have me. A temp agency that specialized in white-collar placements with a very large investment company. They paid me 16 dollars an hour and the company paid them 24 dollars an hour. I was supposed to stay for a year, but I left after 7 months with my 6 months of experience.
My next job was salaried, 42k a year. I left after about 14 months, selling myself as having a year of experience.
My next job was about 60k a year with regular raises, I stayed for 4 years and was promoted to another position with annual raises, I'm about 2 years away from my salary cap of 95k.....and guess what I either find a new job or wait for my currently late 40s boss to retire (he won't be retiring for at least another 15-20 years).
That first job I left? I kept in touch, the lovely young woman who trained me has been working like a dog this whole time....I make about 2 times what she does.
Do you want a raise? Find a new job, best advice I can give anyone.
Thanks fam. I will follow that 🙌
This my first career job: 35k, second 65k, third 80k, fourth 95k. Worked every job between 1 to 3 years tops. Never have I had a raise greater than 3%, money only rose from hopping.
Wow, the temp places I've worked pay like 20 bucks and charge like 80 per hour lol. That's why I didn't stick about. Instantly got 35 for the same job without them, everyone happy.
I started off making 6.50 an hour... 20 years later im in the 85-95k range. My wife basically followed the same trajectory, the longest tenure either of us had was 4 years...
My friend who is a React developer job hopped for the past 5 years of his career (thats his career altogether) and he almost quadrupled his salary. So stop listening to CEOs on what to do and what not to do. If your profession is in demand, you will be able to dictate what happens and what doesn't.
I agree that job hopping is good for initial 10-15 years of your career.Once you get in Senior management roles keeping atleast 5 years in a company is actually a bonus.U shift after 5 odd years you can expect a much higher package and position in your new company.
Agreed. My first 5 years is ending at the end of this year. I now make 3x what I made 5 years ago. I am now at a great company j like and I make good money. But the job hop made it happen!
@@tradingwizard562 True
I would say, hop depending on circumstance.
If the job pays well enough, isn't demanding, and you're trying something on the side (art/streaming/business), you shouldn't job hop, because the new job is probably likely going to be more stressful.
But of course if you're playing the corporate game. Definitely job hop once you feel like you've outgrown your position and can't get promoted anymore (like I was a few years ago)
Probably under qualified by bullshitting their way into higher paying positions and it’s a matter of time before they are exposed
Had a director once who complained about employee loyalty and grass not greener on the other side. Then they hopped to another company for an even fancier role lol
I wish you two had laugh reacts instead of just thumbs
We look for a raise in pay like they look for any way to cut costs, which includes firing you over an e-mail or a zoom call. It's only fair.
Lmao fax! We want to increase our take home pay at any cost, they want to do the same.
Dude, I was "let go" through a f***ing Teams call after working for a big corporation almost 4 years. I will never have any loyalty to any business, unless it's my business.
@@strickca991 Shit dude......that's some low down dirty shit. All that dedication and time just to be let go in the lamest way possible (well e-mail would definitely be worse). Fuck 'em bro, get yours!
you cant be fired over email or zoom legaly stop spreading nonsense
Lol as I was going to say at the start that these CEOs constantly jump to other companies but then you showed it in the first min. Its rules for the workers but not for them.
that was when I had to hit the like button
Fancy seeing you here :o
Never thought I’d see you on this side of TH-cam lol
@@redacted6447 he's the CEO of his company on GTA Online.
Well, they are better people. You can tell because they make more money you see. Why should they have the same rules as their lessers?
I learned long ago that loyalty to one place gets you nowhere but abused and left behind. I did the loyal thing and I got laid off or fired. Always think of yourself first and yourself as a business. Never be loyal only to thyself.
I'm over here waiting to get laid off for that SWEET SWEET severance + unemployment
Start quiet quitting and I hope your juicy severance comes soon! You deserve it.
@@OgunDaManThey’ll replace you in a snap of a finger. So never be afraid to replace them. Loyalty only to God and family.
Not true. The most successful people I know worked their entire careers at the same company, myself included. The people I know that haven’t been as successful job hop. If I’m looking to promote someone, I’m going to promote the guy that’s worked here his entire 20 year career instead of the guy who just got here last year because that 20 year lifer knows the company better than the other guy and I can count on him not to leave. Promotions are where real money is made, not some minor salary bump at the same level. Replacing employees is very expensive. Conservative estimates say it can cost double the previous employee’s pay. Also, if you stay at a company long enough, you can get a a pension.
@@johnmartin4641 lmao all BS
It's such gaslighting from these CEO's. I'm 60 years old, and I've been seeing thru this nonsense my whole career.
If you get a 20% salary bump for changing jobs after 1-2 years of working somewhere, then either your previous job was a low paying one, your previous job didn't give you any developmental prospects or pay raises, or your current job just is an all-round upgrade.
I know many people that are underpaid due to corporate policies that cap raises. There is only retention budget for a 2 - 3 % raise
Mad love for the Great Teacher Onizuka avatar!! Upgrading jobs gets you way better pay raises than any annual raise or bonus, only thing comparable is a good promotion (but promotions always come with heftier responsibilities). You can make big pay jumps switching companies even at the same level.
Yep I switched after 4 yrs and got 30%
I had to switch jobs between year over year because I was a contractor... but with that came a pay bump for each new contract.
So within my 5th job, my pay raise is over 60%....
also, with new jobs came new experiences.
With experience in the Med Dev and Pharmaceutical, it let me know what to look for on a VALID drug qualification, and that's when I knew
"Why the FUCK is Pfizer so DAMN SHADY?"
Holy shit, that approval document has more REDACTED information than a nuclear weapon.
what's even worse, is that the REASON they got redacted is (I shit you not)
> 3.3 (b) (4) Reveal information that would impair the application of state-of-the-art technology within a U.S. weapon system
> 3.3(h)(1)(B) Information that would reveal key design concepts of weapons of mass destruction is exempt from automatic declassification at 50 years
also, even the LOCATION where it is being manufactured has this same redaction code.
I learned from the industry, that 5 years MINIMUM on a novel technology, when they went on TV saying it was because of "Administrative Bloat" I called bullshit, you can't speed up TIME itself.
Thank you FDA for posting SUSSY shit.
I ditched the crappy, scammy, severely underpaying start-up I worked at for a year in favour of a nice $55K+ job at a great company with a much better culture. It was definitely an all-round upgrade 😁
One of the best pieces of professional advice I ever received, was from a boss. He basically applauded me for doing that very thing, because he himself did that. He told me to never stay in the same role for longer than a year. And to not stay in a company unless I was moving upward regularly.
I stayed in one place for 4 years and thought I learned a lot. That was until I switched jobs and got exposed to other/better/worse ideas. But I’ve seen so many 5+-year-in-one-company lead engineers who have no idea what the industry is doing. It’s not about time spent - it always is about getting exposure to right people is when you learn.
lol I worked in a company that bragged on "start up culture", I worked there as a contractor for 2 cycles,
seeing their "Principal Engineers" barely working made me sussy that they even knew what they were doing.
Their systems fellow also is questionable at best on her knowledge of technological development,
they had to literally start hiring top heavy.
That's when you know, they company is getting too greedy and time to bounce out.
Very true as a fellow engineer you see this alot people rising up within one company and a particular type of industry ( im a process engineer) and then they cant move anywhere else without a paycut. Industry specific knowledge is key but also keeping tabs on what you’re working on and not getting pigeonholed into the same set of mundane tasks
I spent 36 years in the Army so I was as loyal as it got. First job after retiring I left after 8 weeks.
- Got away from a toxic boss
- Got more rewarding job
- Got 50% pay raise
Oh and the people who hired me didnt give an F about the fact I had just started at the other place 5 weeks before.
Should have went through the officer route, and found out REAL hard why a majority of them vote Democrat.
This is the way.
@@cpK054Lbecause most of them went to college and 60% of college educated people vote Democrat?
Thank you for your service. I can understand being loyal to your country. It is an honorable thing, and the profession of arms is a career that is unmatched in terms of camaraderie. But definitely not to a business or commercial enterprise.
I talked to coworkers at my previous job today. It's a shit show and I'm happily leaving ON TIME from my new job of 4 weeks
My first job right out of college, I quit after a week.
Got my next job 2 months later. More than doubled my income 😂
@@InternetUser._ lmao right on ya learned early!
lmao aye congrats to you I quit my last job right before christmas lol now im working remote as a IOS Developer lol I feel you on that leaving ON TIME lol
@@_itslamario Daaamn ya ice cold homie. xD
Gave your company a nice gift to remember. 🤣
I LOVE THESE TYPE OF VIDEOS OF YOURS, Josh. Don’t ever stop them. These CEOs are a joke and straight hypocrites, truly! Job hop as much as you can people and get your money!!
Frfr sista
When I’ve job hopped, I’ve made 10-20% more everytime. And I don’t regret it
Big money is made from promotions. Much more than a raise you would get by staying at the same level. If I’m promoting someone, I’d rather promote the guy that’s been here his entire 20 year career instead of the guy that just got here last year because he knows the company better than the guy that just got here and I can count on him not the leave. Replacing employees is very expensive. The most successful people I know stayed at the same company their entire careers, myself included. The people I know that aren’t as successful are the ones that job hopped. Also, if you stay at a company long enough, you can get a pension.
@@johnmartin4641 so they have to wait 20 years for a promotion or they could just leave and get 20% every hop
@@semahj that’s not what I was suggesting. I’m saying if you stay and get promoted every 3-5 years and you work your way up to say director of operations and a position for VP of sales opens up, I’d rather promote the guy that’s stayed here his entire career instead of the guy that just got here last year because the lifer knows the company better and I can count on him not to leave.
@@johnmartin4641 ok but if a company has 2000 employees there’s only one position of that magnitude. It makes more logical sense to just job hop. 10 years to get 20% in raises or get that every 2
@@semahj there’s not only one position of that magnitude unless it’s a really small company. If it’s a big company, there’s about 15 of those positions at the VP level in that particular department. And you’re not competing against everyone. Most of your coworkers don’t have the experience to fill that position and there are lots of people that work in different departments and some people who are already above that level.
The dude started out as an analyst and jumped to a director than CEO over the course of a few years by job hopping. Obviously, he either had some connections and was put into higher positions unethical. Or he went into small, desperate, low paying companies. Now he works from home. He has success, and now he is pulling the ladder up. He don't want other people to work from home. He don't want other people to job hope into a better paying job. Bobby is such a hypocrite.
I learned that job hopping is the ONLY way to get paid a BARELY living wage lol. I've worked at 5 different companies across 19 years of service in the Aviation industry. I've been a team player/above average employee at every one of these places i've worked at. Most of the people that were there for 10-20 years before I came along got treated horribly, were disrespected, and taken advantage of. Most of them made less than I did, the nice ones at least. The only ones that were in my same position and made more than I did were "disagreeable" ones. The a-holes basically. And a few of these places I worked at were actually semi-decent employers imo, compared to others i'd seen.
So, unless you find a legitimately good company, with owners who appreciate you, don't play petty games, and don't disrespect you, and pay you properly, hop around as often as you're comfortable. You're almost guaranteed a pay bump every time. I've gotten anywhere between a $4.00 to a $12.00 pay bump in switching jobs, every job. Same position, just 3-5 years apart.
Not every company owner is out to exploit their employees. But most, even the decent ones, are more concerned with THEM making their bank, than looking after you. You have to take care of yourself. Because you can guarantee that the owners/employers have THEIR best interests at heart, not yours. So you do you. And ignore people like this CEO lol He hasn't even been a CEO long enough to know if he's good at it or not.
Anyone can start an C/S Corps and call themselves a CEO... it means nothing without financial reports schedule Ds to prove their worth.
@@cpK054L Thats the problem these days with these narcissistic individuals with their trash startups that any smart individual can see from a 100 miles away that their product or service is worthless. Entrepreneurship culture has infected a lot of people instead of really spawning true businesses that generate profit without seed investments. I agree with you quarterly financial reports would expose a lot of these clowns.
@@_nimrod92 Only true if they don't have tribal coffers to boost up their numbers...
I’m just curious because I want to work in the aviation industry as a corporate worker - are there certain NDA binds that don’t allow you to hop from airline to airline?
@@lanahuynh7936 I think it is non-compete that generally prevents job-hopping. NDA just means you can't explain company A's procedures to company B. Not a lawyer of course.
Job hoping is the only way I got up the "ladder" so fast and was able to become a VFX Editor at 24 instead of 30. Also, thanks to this channel I have decided to take on a second full time job to save up money to pay off my condo.
Nice job. Doing what most people only dream of. Only one that matters is numero uno. 😎
companies dont care about people who work for them, and i dont care for the companies i work for. so why not change jobs for more money if companies dont care about me anyway?
"Loyalty" is a human concept. Companies are not humans. When you hear the corpo-lizards throwing those kinds of words at you, there's nothing behind them. There are no exceptions to this. Not one. Not once. Never. In the history of ever. Not once has this ever not been the case. Ever. None. At all.
Bingo🎉
The reason I have changed jobs has always been more money, more money, more money.
“Helping startups fail faster”
*Fixed it for you king*
if the start up doesn't make it to the Series A, it's already failed.
and that guy is SUSSY
"What a nice fella"
I've had 4 jobs in the last 8 years, and none of those 'hops' were to get a better salary. I got major raises for the last 2 of those but every time I left it was because of management. CEOs would rather blame employees looking out for themselves instead of the management that's causing them to leave.
That’s just about every job. Same thing in customer service.
Management does something stupid, maybe has the engineers add in feature creep. Stuff breaks. IT gets the bad end of it because the customer is mad at IT that the product/service they pay for doesn’t work. Management is mad at IT because they couldn’t make the customer happy. 🤷♀️
Rock and a hard place.
I only left one job and it was because HR was trying to cover up SA and tried "paperworking" me out for reporting it. So I left instead. That was the straw after many others.
All HR is the same, so don't admit negatives like that or you will be red flagged and not hired, OR, hired but get your promotions rejected because HR put a note on your file that you're not a "Team player." (They'll milk you where and when they can otherwise, though)
"Play nice" with former employers, even if they don't deserve it. It's not for them, its for you. So instead, I told later employers that I was looking to grow faster than the company would allow (which is true).
This solds me as a "go getter" and implicitly communicates that I'm autonomous/independent. All of which is true but doesnt sound as cliche/dismissable as literally saying "I'm a go getter."
Micromanagers will get the hint and will not hire, or exclude you to micromanage everyone else instead. Or they'll find out what's up the hard way.
Do not lie! But sell the f out of your best qualities, downplay your worst ones, and re-direct them to other best qualities.
Even a MONTH in a shitty dead-end job is one month too many out of your life. There are few things I regret more than staying in such jobs because of circumstances.
I've worked fast food jobs and don't ever last anywhere longer than the probationary period 😂
I was in one for two years, did not have choice due to homeless prevention program but when they let me go i was happy; did found something better in like three months with a double pay - were different times though, talking about 2012
No job is dead end because every company has a management chain to the CEO and then to owners (sometimes the same person). Jobs can only be "temporarily limited" in terms of career growth. CEOs die/retire/job hop... even managers get fired (or job hop), so it's all about being there at the right time to take their place, or job hopping somewhere you can. Learn to evaluate the careers of people/managers. Who is expected to be there for how long? Estimate the time you have to wait to replace them/get promoted. And Min/Max your career. If its faster to job hop, job hop. "Nothing personal, just business;" and anyone who's got solid business sense/acumen will see this mindset favorably. Might score yourself a mentor willing bulldoze your career path for you.
You absolutely can (and should) take a "stepping stone" or "waiting in the bushes" job to stay employed/in your field while you look for a "sickly gazelle" supervisor who's just waiting for you to put them out of their misery to take their place. (It's cutthroat out there! Watch your 6!).
You can also take an entry level job at a company while you go to school/upskill so you can internally promote/transfer to a different department/higher role, instead of having to go through external HR and get mixed in with other people who went to a fancier school than you (but didnt learn anything new or different).
@@randomuserameyo your comment was wisdom and the sickly gazelle comment sent me 💵
I worked as an accountant at 3 different companies in 2022. Each time I job hopped because the salary was higher. Many employers today don't care anymore about job hoppers - and the ones that do are indirectly telling you that their offering is below the market average anyway
I would argue that if you Are looking to build yourself up, Staying with a company longer than 2 years will stunt your growth. By the end of 2 years you will have learned everything you can from those people and must pull in Knowledge and skills from other resources.Staying with the company longer than necessary will make your career stagnant
True - only exception might be if the company is decent at offering skill development opportunities like getting additional formal education/courses while being allowed to spend worktime doing those activities.
That being said, aquiring said skills might not lead to a raise even though someone should be worth more to the company after aquiring said skills.
I have yet to find any job that I won’t have learned everything I can learn about the job within 6 months. 2 years is a joke.
"stop job hopping, it isn't worth the raise!"
You're right. The raise is it's own reward.
Why is it always people in higher positions like CEO or COO telling others not to do exactly what they did? Whats their end game? Trying to convince millions of people so they can retain their team/family members at their companies?
Do what's best for YOU AND YOUR FAMILY - not your company.
Every job Ive ever had I learned to "do well" within 6 months. Never have stayed at a job for more than a year and change
On average, I was a major contributor in 3 months. Twice I came in with no prior experience in the particular space (firmware and back-end), and I had never even written Java before that second one.
There's a big difference between 20 years of experience, and twenty years without experience.
He’s just saying “Now that I’m at the top, the rest of you need to stay back down there so I can exploit your skills”
My hat's off to you for holding these hypocrites accountable.
My professional career over the past 16 years has been jobs of about 2-4 years each. Honestly, my skill growth started slowing at each around the 2-year mark. If you stay longer at one particular job, you learn slightly more about how to do jobs at *that* particular company slightly better. However, if you change to a different employer, you can see how multiple employers deal with similar challenges to overcome them and get a more diversified skillset.
Structural engineering firms hire and fire their employees after 3 years.
They do this to keep salaries low.
Then they get mad about at their employees over loyalty. This would not be an issue if these firms valued loyalty.
I don’t agree with the statement “if you stay longer (than 2-4 years) at one particular job, you learn slightly more about how to do jobs at that particular company slightly better”.
Maybe at larger companies that might be true. In smaller startups, you often get screwed (reach break even point) much earlier than 2 years. It’s not uncommon to be thrown from one fire to another and have lost your sanity well before the 18 months mark. I absolutely can’t understand this cliche that “learning” is some job perk because you are always just “learning” proprietary code, documents, tooling. It’s all a waste of time and energy unless you plan to rest and vest there for a loooong time or compete with the business on a technical level.
@@mecanuktutorials6476described my startup experience directly. Had to watch myself because my burnout was affecting my new job (much better job with over 15% more pay)
The narcissist always tells on themselves. Once you understand this and other personality types it's like being able to see the Matrix code as it is and just like in the movie they will physically fight you when you can see them and they can no longer hide and they will fight over the lie they have made the entire time knowing it isnt true or real. What I am about to say is silly but it's the same thing as people who play video games and they find ways to cheat and they know they're cheating but act like they win legitimately. They dont and never will understand that they are losers.
Well said.
Yup, bypass the NPCs and Agent Smiths of life.
This is what I like this channel for. Roasting those who no one else will roast.
He's a 'rules for thee not for me' type guy. I'm staying away from his company
"announced that it raised $16 million in a Series A funding round led by Andreessen Horowitz"
HE'S PART OF THE TRIBE!!!!!!!!! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
I had a boss who had been in the job for years. I was there for two years. by the end of the two years I knew _far_ more about the job than she did. She would think that two years isn't long enough to learn the job, but that's a reflection of _her_ attitude, not mine. I make a point of learning each aspect of a job.
There were huge issues in the workplace that she wasn't even aware of, and which I noticed and fixed. I left because I wasn't getting rewarded for making our office (and her) look good.
Also, if you ever want to run your own business, it's a good idea to move jobs (and change industry) to get experience in the various skills you will need to run a business.
There is an old saying frog in the well.
Josh I absolutely love your work. Your sacred mission should never be stopped.
Yes protect this man at all cost
Translation: 'Be a loyal good boy, without any upside!'
My resume has a LOT of job hopping. But at two companies that changes quite a bit, in fact since 2012 I've only worked for 3 companies (one of those was for only 6 months).
I'll absolutely stay loyal for a company that will also look after me. My current company does this and as a result I've knocked back requests for an interview for other positions even though they had a pay raise.
That being said, if a company also makes it clear that I am just a means to an end, then I'll treat the company the same way.
It's a job, it's not a marriage.
It hasn't hurt me at all.
Why would I be loyal to company, do I own shares in your company? No, it is purely a transaction, I have no financial interest in your company.
Job hopping is the best way to get to the salary you want. A 2.4% yearly raise or switch jobs and get 10-20%. That's why I like working for a large company. I am on my 3rd business with the same company and each time I got over 10%+ increase
Hmm? Most corporations won't promote you when changing jobs. They aren't promotions and they already know your pay. You might get a cost of living bump in moving, but otherwise retain your job grade or pay.
@icawn I work for a very large corporation, that has many businesses under it. For example, I started in the xray business as a quality analyst, then moved over to the oral Healthcare business as a document control specialist and last year moved to the AED business. I started at my company 6 years ago, started at $15 an hour, and with strategic moves to different businesses within the company, I accepted my latest position at 80k base and still kept my seniority with the company, still as a document control specialist.
The 2.4% raise is if you stay at the same level. You may get a short term boost of 10%-20% if you change jobs and stay at the same level. But it’s better long term to stay at the same company because big money is made from promotions. If I’m promoting someone to VP of operations, I’d rather promote someone who has been here for their entire 15-20 year career than someone who just got here last year because the guy that’s been here his entire career knows the company and the company’s operations better than the guy that just got here last year and because I know I can count on him not to leave. Also, if you stay at a company long enough, you can get a pension. The most successful people I know spent their entire careers at the same company, myself included. The people I know that aren’t as successful job hopped.
2.4% when inflation is 3% (and that's just what the fed is admitting it is, it's much worse in reality)
@@johnmartin4641 not true at all, just true for your company. The exception doesn't defeat the rule. Also, job hopping is best for early and mid career. Late career, or when you start getting into director-level roles, 5y is plenty for the next job. 4 instances of 5y director positions can (should be) billed collectively. You didn't have "only" 5y at your previous company, you're an industry-level expert instead of a company-level expert. You have 20y of industry experience. Its no longer about the companies and what they teach you its about your expertise and what you bring tonthe table while they also teach you.
You haven't had your head in the sand for the past 15y+; You've been getting exposure to best practices from competitors, which you can now implement and use to start poaching talent and customers.
No ego-driven executive wants to hear that their way isnt the best, but the board/stockholders doesn't care, they want whatever makes "line go up" (stock price).
Pensions are just ways to keep people from getting more by switching. And they're increasingly being used to fund things like the trans agenda and the climate change death cult agenda, etc. You can set up individual retirement accounts and skip paying into a system that wants you dead if you "deadname" some castrated 7 year old boy who goes by Sally now.
I worked several jobs for less than 2 years and learned a lot at all of them. Some I would have gladly stayed at but they just didn't pay well. One move resulted in a 50% pay bump. I always tried to stay for at least a year, because someone I looked up to said that was the bar for not being seen as a job hopper or a flake. A couple were so toxic, though, I barely made 6 months.
I almost DOUBLED my salary at my last "job hop" but I did work at previous company for 2 years. UX pays really well already but it is crazy to me the range of salaries you can get from different but similar companies.
It's almost never the actual job itself beyond minimum wage + differentials. It's always about how much the company can afford.
Price the company, and price your own value, not the "market rate" for the job (which will always be the lowest that _the unsavvy masses_ will accept)
Mom & pop can't pay you 6/7fig... but Nike can, and they will if you're not a rank & file. Don't sell yourself as rank & file. Ever.
Same I left my first job after 17 months and got an 80% salary increase.
Spitting truths. In my experience, I have never seen so many layoffs and employees in constant fear of loosing their job as I did once I entered the corporate world. I’ve been laid off twice in 8 years from two different companies. And I’ve never managed to surpass three years with an employer, not because I job hop but because they lack loyalty not me. In many cases I’ve just been a consultant so we are the first to go. I also feel like we have to constantly compete with boomers who just hog up the workforce. It’s impossible to work with them sometimes, they know it all and they think you are their kid and when it’s time to let people go they go after the younger folk for some reason.
Thank you for saying things we can't say out loud.
The CEOs advice doesn't apply to CEOs because they don't have to get good at their jobs. Even when they make terrible decisions that make the company lose million and billions of dollars they still get their millions or tens of millions of dollars salary and millions or tens of millions of dollars in bonuses. And they can guarantee this by just laying off 1/4 of the people that actually make the company money and give that money to themselves. Also they save the company money, which they give to themselves as bonuses, by just paying as little as possible, by not paying for healthcare, by not paying for, vacation, sick time, not paying for 401Ks, not paying for retirements. So yeah his advice about staying at at job over 2ys doesn't apply to him and other CEOs because they don't have to stay and get good at their jobs.
It’s important to change companies every few years because all of your raises are linked to the initial salary you accepted when you first started at each company. Also always negotiate the initial offer. I usually get about 5k more than the original offer doing this
This. Your entire career can be chained to your day 1 wage/salary. The only opportunity to re-negotiste change is if you are up for renewal, change pay type (wage > salary), or major role/responsibility changes (subordinate > supervisor). Very few chances otherwise.
Stay in a company until you become so specialised to your job at your company and you literally become obsolete to the employment market outside your company, then get a lay off.
@Joshua Fluke If you want a good type of video, I would suggest more how-to. For example, how to be an effective job hopper: How long to stay, how to not draw unwanted company attention to yourself, why it pays off to be perceived as an average employee, etc.
Noted!
Thank you for everything Josh
If these companies wouldn't be so fucking stingy with internal promotions and raises the hopping wouldn't happen as much. How leadership manages to get into their positions without being able to comprehend this will always baffle me.
I never job-hopped for money raise even a single time in my life. I only leave the company when the work sucks - it happened after a month, it happened after a few days, it happened after 5 months. I'm not going to feel bad about it.
But what if the pay sucks
I saw this title and the tweet, immediately started laughing.
While I have received raises and promotions before my first annual review, etc. I've also had a lot of places praise my work and then give me 1% raise on my annual review lmao.
3 biggest reasons for me to leave each year: 1) Better money 2) Better Benefits 3) I'm bored AF :D
I've tripled my salary early in my career then doubled. Then 50% increase after that. It is worth it. You work hard, and study and then you get a new job. Waiting for promotion is a waste of time. Think about it. If you are a manager, why would you pay someone triple their salary for the same work they are already doing? How do you justify that to your own manager.
in tech like 1-2 year turn around is like the average lol what is this man talking about "red flag" when thats 95% of the worker pool lol
Which is probably why he's having trouble hiring anyone lol
“Mr. Wonderful” from the Shark Tank said something similar to this but with regards to quiet quitting. The video is somewhere on TH-cam.
"It's not worth the 20% salary bump."
LOL
Thank you, Joshua, for your perspective!
I had a string of jobs at 1.5-2 years in a row for various reasons, some easy to explain to a new employer (I moved country to get married) and some not (horrible, toxic boss). I really do think it can create difficulty in getting an interview BUT if you use a recruiter they can help get you in front of the hiring manager and then you can talk your way into the hire if you're good.
I was let go on Friday, 2 hours notice. That is slightly less than the 2 weeks they expect us to give. Downsized because company is wrapping up. My time was 1 year and 4 months. Companies have ZERO loyalty. Promoted to customer here I come.
I worked with a guy in software-defined radio who'd been around since tubes were cutting edge. He knew about electronics and couldn't shut up about how important he was, but he didn't know how to use a wattmeter unless it was a Bird and thought TDMA meant "too damn many acronyms."
lol, modern tech is trash.
I try job hopping but being a military reservist makes that difficult no one wants to hire someone who has to always leave for a certain amount of time a month
LMAO. Dude you're brutal. I love it.
The videos you make are phenomenal. Please keep making these, it's good to hear the reality of work-life and the culture of it and common mistakes people make.
The funny part is the companies never talk about the cost of having an employee for too long. Usually it is the 10 year mark when they look to replace that employee with someone younger, cheaper, and more flexible to the change. In a place where I worked we had three 20+ year tenured employees. They hated them still being there and offered insulting raises and told them in no uncertain terms they were not going to be a part of the company's future. No matter what they did, the people had such valuable skills and knowledge they couldn't get rid of them until they could find someone who had that level of experience in about a 6 month tenure. This is what they teach in some MBA courses, I have heard it a few times and I have had friends who had confirmed it. Longer tenure employees are "bad for business."
That’s only if you stay at the same low level. If you’re a VP and you’ve been there for 20 years, they can’t replace you with a 22 year old kid that just graduated from college because they don’t have the experience needed to do the job. If I’m looking to promote someone, I’d rather promote someone who has been here for 20 years than some guy that just got here last year because the guy that’s been here for 20 years knows the company better and I can count on him not to leave. Replacing employees is very expensive. They even taught my daughter that in her HR class a few years ago in college on how important employee retention is due to how expensive it is to replace an employee. They told her conservative estimates say it can cost double the previous employee’s pay to replace them. The most successful people I know stayed at the same company their entire careers, myself included. The people I know who weren’t as successful job hopped.
@@johnmartin4641 Except the fact that employees who stay too long in a job aren't risk takers. They don't understand the value of going out and taking a chance because they decided the company is indeed the provider of their benefits.
This is why companies will bring in outside people because they are looking for a change in thought and in actions. The ironic thing is these people are often met with backlash from long-time employees because "It just works."
If you promote someone who has 20 years of experience, they only have the experience with the product the company offers and it caps out at a very low ceiling for them. They might get the title, but they won't be able to do much because their tenure as a leader is stunted.
As far as HR goes, the main cost will always be human capital. If every business could operate without humans involved (sick leave, vacations, family issues, mental health issues, so on and so on), the company would make a fortune.
This is why some companies are so interested in the AI craze. It isn't to make people more efficient. It is to release Billy and Suzie from their mid-level manager position so it can save $250k in salary and expenses for only paying $25k in upkeep.
The company is the house and it always wins.
@@johnmartin4641-- there is no single answer, but there may be a generational difference due to changes in corporate management strategies. Remember when workers were offerred pensions, then stock options, now none of that. Remember when there was that good health insurance plan in the 1990s (it escapes my name, but QualChoice was one provider). At some point, cost cutting became the management lodestar, but companies can't cut their way to growth. Doesn't matter, because the managers are job hopping off that little one-time profit boost from cost cutting. IMO.
The big one is after 2 years I get a raise of 2-5%. I accept an offer from another company for a similar role and title and I receive a 40% bump in pay that they weren't willing to match. There's absolutely no reason not to hop in this situation, and it's by far the most common situation at least in software engineering.
I work in hospitality and I was asked by an agency worker today, "So how long have you worked for the company?" I replied, "1 year and 3 months." He was surprised and said, "Really! That's a long time!". I think it depends on the generation as to what is considered to be a long time. I'm Gen X and for me 1 year is not a long time. However, the agency worker was a Millennial. Although I must admit that I have seen a lot of staff come and go within a year.
I job hopped for the past 10 years... I started on $35k and im now on $250k.
Old colleagues who are still at the first company and worked there way up are on circa $120k
I like that he doesn't argue that you won't make more money doing this.
Yeah, but... 'in his opinion', it's not worth it! :D
You can learn any job in 2 years. Keep job hopping, i did it 20 years ago. It’s the only way to advance quickly. Job hopping is old school.
The type of advice you would ONLY hear from a CEO. I wonder why..
I'm very happy to have come across your video. Glad to see corporations being called out on their hypocrisies
It is interesting that usually the words "we don't work just for the money" are mostly heard from people with salaries 10x mine.
They're technically right: they don't JUST work for money...they work for power, blow, and hookers as well!
Thanks!
At this point, I'm convinced they're just ginning up controversy for views, not because they actually believe it. There is no bad press, as they say.
A former Chief of Police in SoCal made Chief by age 40. How? He told me he moved around to advance in rank as quickly as possible even if it meant a cut in pay or living in a less desirable area. He had a goal and wasn't distracted by loyalty or some other type of BS.
Job hopping?! Can’t even get a job to hop from…
This was brilliant (as is all of your content I have been binging the last 2 days)! Please keep it up! Liked and SUBSCRIBED!!!
My last 3 positions before my current one I held well over 2 years (the shortest being 2 yrs 8 mos). I work in cybersecurity and my very first cyber job I definitely stayed in for far too long. I think I inly did so because my boss was an angel of a man and smart as hell. He took a chance on me giving me the position with no security experience (but I had solid IT experience and banking/financial experience so I knew banking regulation). The pay was shit for what I did (my boss did advocate for a raise for me but was turned down by executive mgmt).
That being said I would never side-eye someone who “job hops”. I did when I was you g and it was for all the reasons you listed: layoffs, moving to a different city, but mostly for better pay and hours.
20% is not worth it? why? because i could be more 'productive' sticking with 1 job? sorry, but making money for others at the detriment to myself is not my goal, you know?
The trick to job hopping without effecting your resume is to have a part time security job that you only work one or two shifts per week. Make sure this job is a "do nothing" job where you have no stress. A really boring booth job. As you job hop, your part time do nothing job stays on your resume. You can quit 20 jobs and your resume will always show you working for the same company for years. And, Yes, lie about being promoted to management on your resume at the do nothing job.
Maybe I got lucky in the job lottery. Been with a company for almost four years and had three managers. All three managers so far I've had a different times, never micromanaged, left me alone most of the time, and just let me do my job. All three of them, only cared about the same thing, and that was if the task(s) was complete or not and that was there metric of productivity. None of them cared if I left for lunch for two or three hours or if I took off somewhere for an hour, or whatever. All they cared about is if I got the tasks done or not. I'm a bit scared if I were to leave and work for someone else, that I might get some crappy manager.
Yep
I agree constantly with you, and I'm happy you've found your niche on TH-cam.
my brother was working at same company for several years becuz he kept getting raise increase each year becuz the company appreciated his worth but then he moved to his friends company wich had much bigger pay aswell and he lives in EU but i guess in murica asking for payrise is a meme
It’s “not worth” the 20% raise EVERY two years? Lol!
Man in my career the best thing I have done for learning and skills develoipment is to hop jobs and be exposed to different projects, ideas and people. Yes the -20 to 100% pay jump is worth it!
@Joshuafluke12 this is the fake josh bot?
@@TheOliveWalsh I think there is more than one fake Josh bot.
I am the owner / CEO of my company: Job Hopping is the #1 way at the early level (MID-Tier below) to gain rapid experience - aim for 6 months in a bad company and 2 years in a good company - unless they keep promoting.
In my opinion job hopping is not good when you get into leadership as those roles do require a 3 year run off for expertise and 2 year more - but in those positions if you want to job hop do it with transition where you do it over 12 months with training someone else on what you do.
This is why you will see Execs or Senior Management up are more successful to the top level (I.e.) CEO when they do not job hop in those (Atleast in good companies) but for people below they become able to be Senior management because of the exposure they get in a faster timeline because they learn how to do things differently from different companies - before you become Senior Management - going by there being 3 rungs to climb means you should have changed 3-4 companies prior to ensure you learn .
Becoming a genearlist who specialises is allot more valluable and will get you paid for your value easier.
the jump though, from analyst to senior director lol
Right lol
Spent 11 years at a job but I was not confident nor perspective enough to find another job. It was a place full of nepotism and I hang around many years waiting for my moment to grow within till I realize I really was going nowhere with a very low pay.
You want me to stop job hopping?
Ok… Pay me what I’m worth!
I’ll stick around for a long time then!
if he doesn't want people job hopping, he should reward them for staying giving them that 20% raise
Finally moved jobs after seven years and doubled my salary. Prior to job-hopping, I had taken the lead on several
more projects, and started managing others. According to the federal government, last time I checked we're about
about 17-20% loss of purchasing power over the last three years. We all know this figure is an underestimate, and
it's only getting worse 🤣. I had hoped 8 months of demonstrated willingness to step up would be enough to get
a promotion to get me a 15-20% raise. When I asked, I was told no. So I hit the market. It worked.
Do yourself a favor-- stay long enough to do something meaningful, then polish the resume and hit the market
like a free-agent. Ultimately there's nothing wrong with staying long-term at a place that shows they value you.
my hopping was more than 20% there wasnt much new shit to learn after a few months in new "finance" jobs.... This is soo funny