@Daniel Jaramillo And on top of that, characters feeling underwhelming and looking like shit in their own arcs. For instance, Historia and Reiner, Historia didn't have any great importance in the final arc and Reiner looking like a weirdo for smelling Historia's note.
Chapter 131 revealed why Eren wanted to do the rumbling. He explicitly says that he was disappointed when he saw the outside world, and that he wanted to remake it. The whole "I dont know" part removed any meaning from that
No, you're misinterpreting it. He's talking bout the reason why he wanted to be free. People don't know why they want to be free, they just do. He was born that way. Yams is showing that Eren was drunk on freedom, a slave to it.
@Sameer Gurjar BAP 828 Nope he specifically said Eren represents his own desire to destroy things, sometimes out of necessity or sometimes just to vent anger
@@ihtishamhussain1785 lelouch ending is pretty stupid let’s be honest. Look at our actually reality, if I was to start attacking every nation then they decided to unite to defeat me. Would that instantly erase racism lol. It’s literally human nature even black people united with the whites in the civil war and years down the line America still racist lol code gease probably got away with the most naive ending of them all
Finally found someone who criticize about the way eren has been handled You did the great job by not speaking what mass fandom wants and blindly praising the series unlike other youtubers eventhough it was pretty bad ending for most of the character you earn my respect and one sub too
What pisses me off rn is how bad annie is in the latest chapters. In s1, she's very nuanced. She's supposed to be a cold hearted monster but then you learn that she's just someone that's forced to do these atrocious things but then, the manga just makes her a psychopath. Why?????????? She killed a bug for no reason and then watch it got eaten by ants. In fact, she's so absorbed by that ant fest that she didn't even hear what the rest of the warriors had to say. After that, when she's out of her crystal, she said that she will do the same thing she did in the walls if it means that she can see her dad again. Also her titan ability is never explained nor was it used. HOW CAN SHE CALL PURE TITANS TO HER SIDE IF SHE DOESN'T HAVE THE FOUNDER TITAN INSIDE OF HER? HOW CAN HER CRYSTAL POWERS BE STRONGER THAN THE ARMORED TITAN, YOU KNOW, THE TITANS THAT SPECIALIZES IN HARDENING. WHAT'S THE POINT OF TELLING US IT'S ABILITIES IF SHE'S NOT GOING TO USE IT? AHHHHHHHHH
I have followed this series for 8 years , and I litterally grew with eren yeager, eleven to nineteen (even have the same age at the end lol) and I read through the manga multiple times to make sure I understood everything and at least could see what where the possibilities. I liked him, how he done things because it had to be done, the notion of sacrifice, and even then he wasn't just a raw ball of determination. In his cell he needed to tell himself to continue fighting, he needed to talk to falco in liberio after everything he had seen in the marleyan army, even when he lied to zeke he partly said the truth "i could feel their blood flow in my hands", he litterally and figuratively had blood on his hand, for manipulating grisha, as being the commander asking to shoot, and litterally being the soldier shooting, cause of the memories being so realist for him. What I want to say here is that I had an emotional attachment to this guy, he wasn't defined by what he was born, an eldian, a devil, a human, but by what he lived through, he was the consequence of the hate of the world, he was the boy who saw his mother being torn appart and eaten by a titan, by something he COULDN'T control, by this cruel world. But when I read the chapter I didn't feel anything about him but disgust, all his character was completely sacrificed for not even a good ending. And now every beautiful scene were screwed: - reiner conversation : empathy to torture - ymir conversation : meaningless (like how do you screw this one up ? There's like thousand of things to do and isayama find the ending that make the f*cking miracle to make this one meaningless) - "freedom" : it was one of the best, being at the same time the most beautiful AND horrendous of them all. In the eye of kid eren, It was this "scenery" what he ALWAYS WANTED but at the same time.... for us readers, and probably also eren adult, those weren't clouds but dust, steam of the titan and destruction, people getting ripped of their "freedom" (litteraly sainf in My War lyrics too lol). But NOW you're saying to me that's actually not what he wanted ? Seriously ? Now even that is meaningless, it was the perfect scene for him to get responsability of his action, it was the perfect way to make him pay the price by basically turning his dream into a nightmare. But now it's RUINED. Somehow I still hope for an original ending, but at the same time I have just gave up a long time ago, when the writing of the few last chapters where critically low compared to the 131 other chapters. Goodbye snk, pretty sure not a lot of manga in my lifetime will be able to compare to those first 131 chapters.
@@batguy39 just tried to say what made eren my Best character of all time and what made some scene absolute genius not taking into account 139, but thanks
I agree with what you say but it didn’t ruin his character for me , him leaving his freedom for the freedom of the eldians and his friends was just a decision he thought he would regret least and even he doesn’t know the answer to what happens after that no one knows (this was also said by Levi in season 1 and I think isayama keeping that idea in the last chapter was a good idea) he could’ve lived his 4 years of life left without any battle like what he showed to mikasa but that would’ve destroyed eldia And seriously you think Ymir was waiting for 2000 years just to hear some words to tell her she’s not a slave? I mean it was a good moment but I’m pretty sure she needed some proof of that as well and mikasa showed her just that , Eren told her that she’s not a slave and stopped her from following the royal blood’s people who got the founding Titan (and zeke too) while mikasa showed her that you shouldn’t just sit down and do nothing if the person you love is doing such horrible things (she couldn’t overcome that but mikasa did and that gave her proof which she smiled upon and now rests in peace I suppose) You could also argue that Eren gained freedom through death
eren became a plot device to his own story, if thats not a sign of bad writing then i dont know what else to say to you. All of his quotes, conviction , and core motives were all thrown out of the window because his apparently a simp for mikasa and a "slave" to a 2000 year old loli with stockholm syndrome.
@@KyngD469 i could bet my monthly wage that it was the editor. Not only he is a huge mikasa simp and anti historia to the point of still calling her krista, but he is the one that had been promoting the ending... isayama was showing in one video drawing it stoically with 0 passion and thats it.
@@__-dq9ev But he admitted he loves Mikasa and wants to be her man, she did it for her! Then Eren became a bird and still kept his promise. WOW! HOW TRAGIC, HOW BEAUTIFUL! Thank you Isayama... Perfect ending... 😍😭😭 - EreMika fan
@@jamesmccloud7535 Lmao, that's one reason to "like" it, either way ending as a whole is disappointing, Levi's last sasageyo was peak point of whole chapter
@@jamesmccloud7535 lmao you said it perfectly. I'll have to threaten Instagram and Pinterest at this point so I can stop getting recommendations of cringe ass shoujo romance posts by eremika retards that keep captioning them with "omg eren loved Mikasa all this time! 😭" like that's the main conclusion of this whole story
I'm just going to ignore the last chapter and choose to remember Eren in his prime, this way he will remain to be an amazing character to me. I still love Eren Jager as a character, last chapter was trash no one will be able to convince me that it wasn't.
I'm thinking about that one 4chan guy who stopped reading after chapter 123......he said he didn't want to risk the story ruined for him by Eren pulling a Lelouch and getting a happy peace ending from mong and friends.....damn it!!! It should have been me not him!!!! I should have been the chosen one!!!!
Im disappointed by how eren committed a genocide i hated whole characters for bein still on his side...i think i watch aot for levi and sasha(but sadly she died)
"When I found out there were men that could date Mikasa outside the walls.... I was disappointed." "I'll keep moving forward....until Mikasa will never find another man... for at least 10 years!!!"
Just refuse to accept the ruined Eren of 139. The true Eren is the one we grew up with. He was just a victim of bad writing, he's still our king and devil
@@qasimqureshi3289 Remember when Eren was in a stomach of a titan. One leg and arm short. Did he cry about mikasa? The only thing he was worried about while he was dissolving in acid was his goal and dream. We want that Eren back. Now you will say his character developed into a simp, right?
@@__-dq9ev That was Eren wanting to exterminate the titans. He wasn't dead and the fact that he was still alive filled him with rage from the fact that he couldn't kill a single titan. Also he knew Mikasa was gonna kill him in the end so it's not the same thing lol.
@@ibrahimq981Exactly my point. Criticism is not handled well regardless of whether it's biased or not, also even if it IS done with hate, people should focus on the criticism, not just dismiss the entire argument because there's a shred of emotion involved(Which is what they usually do).
@@tnb4509 no affense, but if i made something, an someone come at me with all their shit an just shit on it, i dont think it would be the same as if someone actually took their time an made it constructive for me, i might even just not listen to them, an im sure 99 percent of us probably wouldn’t, even their valid points won’t be taken seriously at that point. Also I really only listen to unbiased opinions with actual constructive criticism an arguments i wont listen to someone just slandering an makin fun of somethin that i love just cuz i wanna hear their thoughts bout it.
The last 3 chapters have more plot holes than the rest of the series combined. I dont see why some of these other youtubers are praising the ending, maybe because they see any sort of critisism as an insult to isayama.
@@UncleHuss1 Titans of the past helping the alliance. What did eren show grisha to give him the founding titan. What happened to the parallels between ymir and historia. How is there a parallel between ymir and mikasa if eren loves mikasa back. How did mikasa make it back to the island, it should be impossible.
@@UncleHuss1 The more i think about it, the more it doesnt make sense. How did mikasa know eren was in the mouth. I thought the founding couldnt mess with ackerman memories.
@@jasimanser3662 what do you think the headaches were for? To me it’s pretty obvious Eren was trying to tamper her memories. And the Ackerman thing like I said is just an unexplained event
Great video. It annoys me to see people unsubbing from your channel, because you make some really good and valid points - and as usual people skip over all of that and generalise the whole video as just "hate" when they haven't really even tried to be open minded to your critiques. Hope you blow up soon man the quality of vids you are making is incredible!
I have a feeling, that in a few weeks, any sort of criticism for the recent chapter will be termed and disregarded as 'hate'. Sort of like the whole situation with Mappa's CGI, but thankfully, no ones sent any death threats or harassment to Isayama yet.
Thank you.The fact that a series that explored the importance and consequences of making choices, reducing it all to predestined fate is a terrible way to end it.
Some of the comments here genuinely baffle me. I spend a whole 12 minutes being incredibly explicit about my points. Yet so many people felt inclined to dismiss them by explaining the thematic point of the ending of Eren's character. That doesn't mean anything to my point. So I'll be very clear here. Draw whatever meaning you wish from Eren's character in this chapter. What bothers me is that his character was very explicitly built up to be a certain way and Isayama doing a 180 on that as a last minute twist is very poor execution. If he was better built up to have it be this way, that'd be fine. I'd like the character less, but it wouldnt be bad writing. So, giving your essay on why this ending is thematically brilliant doesn't mean anything to my argument. I'll just take this whole deal as proof that 90% of commenters dont watch the video.
Yoy expect anyone to take you seriously when this is your attitude? You mad w a video, people are discussing with you their thoughts, can’t handle it? Then don’t make a video im the first place brother, peace.
@@ibrahimq981 Bro, did you respond to a comment that expresses annoyance at people misunderstanding the points of the video by not getting the point of the comment? Are you going out of your way to prove my point? This borders on parody
@@ZenithAniManga why does that fuckin matter? You’re mad we get it, doesn’t invalidate the people’s arguments with you, it only makes you weaker, get off your high horse an try to discuss with your brain not heart buddy.
@@ibrahimq981 Dude, what are you talking about? I am very happy to have genuine discussions with people. That cant happen if people's only way of arguing against me is arguing against stuff I didnt even say. That's all I wanted and, but apparently that bar is just too high in your opinion. I genuinely have no idea how that expectation is putting me on a high horse.
@@rickchakraborty2087 Not the first time an anime had a different ending from the manga. But we will have to see. It was mentioned the anime is going to be different.
@@TrueEnding This is their name "shonenmagazine official". They have 130k subs. But it looks like they took the livestream down. You might be able to find it on a video archive website.
@@eddiesam8539 I heard that the ending was rushed because the real was supposed to on April 1 where Isayama was gonna kill everyone but he changed the ending multiple times.
I was afraid you might be too generous to the series and character. But man you didn't sugar coat things and I absolutely loved it. Yes his character did a complete 180 after this chapter I don't know what to make of him anymore so it kinda ruined a very good complex mc
when everyone just simplifies our arguments by saying we are only mad cause "eren showed emotion" and wasn't an "edgelord" Then you know that we're right. I've never once had someone who thought this ending was good give me any reasons as to why. They just undermine everything I say, say that I only hate it cause my hEaDcAnOn didn't become true, then say it was perfect 10/10 ending i cry everytime.
Whilst I agree about the ending I see where their coming from as someone who spends time on r/titanfolk they are exactly like that there only arguments they have are that erehisu didn't come true and that eren "isn't a chad anymore". The problem is out of all those who dislike the ending the most toxic ones are the most vocal thus they are unintentionally discrediting the rest of us and causing more problems
Oh, you want a reason ? Fine. Read this: I'm just going to leave this here. I'm satisfied with the way Isayama ended Attack on Titan. The things that we needed and all the things Isayama has been building up all cultivated into this singular moment. Such as Ymir. What was her purpose ? What did she really want ? Simple. To break free of her love for King Fritz. And of course, people took this as Isayama saying that being in a Stockholm Syndrome relationship is real love, and it really isn't that at all. In fact, in the very panel we got Eren saying this, does it look like it's supposed to be the conventional idea of love ? Of course not. The fact that Ymir chose Eren and made him go through all of this should probably show you Ymir's love for King Fritz isn't one that he is trying to paint as romantic. You cannot say Isayama didn't tell us what her whole deal was. Now, is it satisfying ? That's the subjective part. But it does make sense. Next up; the way Eren acted in this chapter making all of his decisions worthless. Now then. Isayama has again, laid it on very, very thick as to how the AOT universe works and specifically its attitude to time and the concept of fate. Meaning that things were going to happen one way and always will. This means the claim that Eren intentionally lead Dina to eat his mother. No. He is doing what the laws of the universe demand. I think the main frustrations that come from fans with Eren is because they feel like he did all of this for nothing. On the contrary, Eren doing this has been the point of his character since Day 1. He is essentially the only one cursed to know the laws of the universe and is constantly telling himself he is free in a world where freedom doesn't exist. Eren being Ymir's pawn isn't a case of character assassination, because Eren's actions were never his own in the first place. He has always been destined to become the devil of this world. That's what so beautifully tragic about his character here. It's essentially him coming to terms with this and realising he might be able to change things, but he can make sure the people he loves are better off than him. Another part is people are calling him a simp for Mikasa and that's all he ever was. Because of course they are. But here's the thing, Eren Jaeger is a 19 year old teen. People always projected this idea onto Eren that he was so cool and he was gonna be the coolest guy who wasn't afraid of anything. But it simply isn't Eren. He isn't this unfeeling, cold God that everyone thought he was. Yes, he puts on a good game face, I'll give you that. But it's been clear since Day 1 that Eren would never kill his friends or anything of the sort. Literally everything he has done has been for their sake and it makes his character even easier to understand than he was before. And people are saying he's a terrible MC because he dared have a breakdown of the thought of leaving everyone he has ever loved and not wanting to die ? He isn't a fucking robot. He is barely in his 20s, for fuck sake. Of course he's going to freak out. So Eren is like a character in a videogame that has become aware of his existence. He knows what his purpose is and he knows he can't fight it. But he is going to make sure that he leaves the world better for his loved ones. That isn't character assassination. That's ALWAYS been Eren Jaeger. Now for the state of Parardis and how apparently The Rumbling failing makes Paradis a bigger target. Here's the thing, that was addressed. But literally 80% of the global population are flattened viscera pancakes and forests and ecosystems are now salads. Who is going to attack Paradis and with what ? There is nothing that can touch Paradis for generations to come. And even with this, the island had rallied in Eren's name and are fully prepared to protect it. Like, we seen the beginnings of Paradis and what is going to happen to it and it's literally covered in devoted soldiers with rifles. If that is so soon after the Rumbling, what are they going to have in generations ? And apparently people are mad because Isayama didn't solve hatred ? Like, you had one half of people wishing for literally everyone's death and the other side for World Peace to be achieved. Did it never occur to anyone that both of these endings are incredibly predictable and also very unrealistic ? Of course the story is going to end saying it's human nature for violence to always be there and for them to fight until the end of time. And it also leaves us with the idea of peace MIGHT happen and it might not. That is literally the best possible scenario for a story like this and it saves it from either stupid extreme. The heroes who saved the world might end up reuniting with Paradis and saving it once and for all. They could also easily be killed the moment we left them. It's up to us to decide if they manage it or not. But we will never know if they betrayed their nation for nothing and all of it was for not. That shit is incredibly bittersweet and consistent with the tone. The series's phrase is literally "the world is cruel, but also beautiful." What else could you want ? And finally, the final panel. I don't really know what to say here. It's to close Eren and Mikasa's bond once and for all with some harmless symbolism. Does that mean Mikasa hasn't developed? Hell no. The fact that Mikasa Ackerman was the one to kill Eren Jaeger is evidence enough that she has made major steps for her character. And no, her crying over him isn't character assassination either. It's literally the fact she knew this guy all her life and he had an impact on her. That isn't something that just leaves you when it comes to losing someone you love. But she is managing to live her life without Eren. She can do whatever she sets her mind to. And in the end, that's all what Eren wanted. In conclusion, you don't have it like the ending, or Attack on Titan as a whole. But. to say that it doesn't make sense or that Isayama ruined his own manga ? I'm sorry, that just isn't the case. It might not be what you wanted, but it's what makes sense. And Historia's baby... You know, the more I think about this, the more I think that Historia unironically got the happiest ending out of all the characters. Think about it, after having her character reach its peak at the end up Uprising, she got to rule Paradis, and when the MPs thought about forcing her into eating Zeke, she discussed the idea of her having a child. There wasn't anything spetacular about all of this and I think that's the point. She fell in love with a man who turned his life around and atoned for his shitty acts as a kid, the two fell in love and had a baby together. Now she is the ruler of Paradis, has her own daughter, so she can be the mother she never had and an actual decent guy who will support them both. If you look back on it all, the idea that the baby HAD to be something, that it HAD to be Eren's or whatever was never severly hinted at and was entirely on the fans. Of course, some think Isayama writing Historia off to be pregnant is a disservice to her chatacter. Where I'd agrue that her charater was finished long ago, and what she got in the end of all this was the family she never had. In fact, I would go as far to say that the people who genuinely think Historia's pregnancy only matters or only exists to be boiled down to "WHO FUCKED HISTORIA?" is infinitely more mysognistic and disrespectful to her character than the pregnancy subplot itself. This is my idea and I personally believe that this is correct. I don't there is more than one timeline. I think we there is only one and Eren has ALWAYS done this and always will do this. He never will not do this. I feel like that with this chapter, Isayama has confirmed that Snk's universe works under predeterministic laws. Just one timeline and everything that has happened will always happen. Eren talking Grisha into murdering the Reiss family has ALWAYS happened. It happened back when we first saw it and it happened right now. It never NOT happened. Eren wasn't aware of this until Chapter 90 when he kissed Historia's hand and saw an older version of himself talking Grisha into killing the Reiss family. That's what broke him and sent him into a daze like state for 4 years. As for time travel, it's more so that Eren from the future is revisiting old memories and doing what he had always done from the beginning. As for the Attack Titan's ability to see into the future host's memories, it means that Eren has shown Grisha what happens to the Walls and what goes down. It's what motivated Grisha into murdering the Reiss family. We never originally seeing him crumble before doing it but we see it now because it was what happened. So, yeah. Eren is showing Grisha what is going to happen via the Attack Titan, which is its power unique to it. As for time travel and pararell universes. There ARE not pararell universes or timelines. There is only one and Eren doing what he is doing has ALWAYS happened and always will. It's a pre-determined timeline. We're only just now seeing it from Eren's perspective. The following here is straight from Google; "A predestination paradox (also called causal loop, causality loop, and (less frequently) closed loop or closed time loop) is a paradox of time travel that is often used as a convention in science fiction. ... In layman's terms, it means this: the time traveler is in the past, which means they were in the past before." This lined up SO well with the rules at play and what Isayama has shown to us. Eren never phsyically went back in time. He has ALWAYS been there. He is essentially a ghost. It's LIKE time travel, but in this specific case, it's not. This has always happened. And always will. How's that for a reason ?
You: Says that you are right because people simplify your arguments and mock it. Also you: Simplifies and mocks them. Congratulations, you played yourself.
Great video as always man. I think Isayama might’ve written away Erens freedom with the intention of commentary on real life, saying we are slaves to our destiny. That said, I don’t agree with it or like it but I think that could be possible.
I think thats the part that pisses me off the most about this chapter. The idea that everything Eren fought for, his freedom, was meaningless because of something like Fate just feels wrong.
@@silverhunter4136 Ngl its a pretty ballsy move tbh. Like imagine writing a character who has these ideals, desires, goals and motivations and all and in the end having him sacrifice it for the greater good or whatever. It makes you feel bad for Eren like how it made me feel bad for Erwin (Erwin also had to sacrifice everything of his for a small victory for humanity, one which didnt fully payoff since Levi failed to kill the Beast Titan.) I could see what Isayama was going for, I just wished the execution was better and he didnt throw all this information at the last chapter with an epilogue.
I am well aware Erens character was kinda ruined in the last chapter but for some reason he still remains my favourite character,I'm not about to let go everything he stood for in all these chapters and I'm gonna interpret the last chapter in my own way
@@jaquanmurphy4431 Eren did have a goal all along,he seeked freedom for his friends, that was his main goal,the next one was to freed ymir,he knew all the things he is doing would lead to that,that is why I'm order to freed ymir,he had to let Mikasa kill him because as he said she waited 2000 years for a person like that,a person despite in love ready to sacrifice her lover for a better good,ymir realised that and was finally free,she was no longer a slave to Karl fritz as she stopped corresponding love with slavery and also I completely sympathise with eren too when he said how messed up the paths timeline is, evrything happens at once,the future,the present so he just kept moving forward,he didn't see back and did what he had to,it was too late to have second thoughts and about the whining,it just showed me,he was afterall a 19 years old broken guy who needed love and friends,he was dead anyway,let him vent to the only best friend he had,there's a lot of things I would like to add but this is it,the last chapter just made his character even more tragic than it already was
@@afreentaj3648 I have the same exact opinion as you. Not gonna lie it does seem like Eren's whole journey and motivation is pointless, and the tragedy behind AOT is that Eren is a slave to his destiny all along. So he 'saves' his friends and tries to direct his want of freedom for his friends instead. It's not the happiest ending for Eren who's been fighting for freedom all this time, and I get why it seems lackluster to have en ending like this, but it's pretty understandable for me.
Eren freeing Ymir was the best moment in the whole fucking series and then 139 comes out and it said “actually both of them were just acting during this scene” Thanks I hate it
A lesson to wait until the ending to make judgement ok characters, not just overhypin the freak out of them just to be disappointed later on, L for you.
i actually want to give some massive respect towards isayama for not being a douchebag and accepted his mistakes in the final chapter, if that was ever real.
@@qasimqureshi3289 it's because you didn't like him for what he was before. A man fighting for his freedom and the freedom of his country, despite taking the burden of billion of deaths is way more interesting than a slave to fate.
@@whymahe8382 Interest in a character is literally subjective lmao. You might not find him Interesting but I find him way more interesting after 139. I can explain why he's better too if you give me some time
@@qasimqureshi3289 yeah you're right, it's subjective. I just found it ridiculous that Eren was a slave to fate when Isayama wrote the chaps 121-22-23 which contradict this idea. It surely because chap 139 ruins those chaps that I hate this ending
I dont mind erenxmikasa to be real, what I dont like I that there is no point in time that he really have an affection to mikasa. All it need is more coversation of each other and it will have been ok for me
Zenith.. I want to say thank you for the wonderful work you put together. Regardless of if you hit 10k or 100k followers it doesn’t matter because I’m more than happy just being a part of your growing support and getting to enjoy your content along the way:)
I remember reading years ago something like an interview with Isayama where he said that Eren is a tool to move the plot. I never forgot this... I feared this ending because of it, but still decided to follow the story believing that Eren has so much potential he'll go down in history as an amazing protag. I liked Eren right from the start and waited patiently to see what will become of him. I ended up being so confused that I could barely mourn his death
the majority of the ending deffenders are like Mikasa and think that Eren is a good guy so i will leave this here chapter 139: "i murdered four fifiths of society. I led you to kill each other on paradis. I got all of you....my precious friends...wrapped up in this battle WITHOUT EVEN KNOWING if you'd survive it" chapter 131: "the island...it's to save eldia...but...it's more than that... what was really beyond the walls...was nothing like the world i dreamed of.... it wasn't like the world i saw ....in armin's book..."
eren was the best protagonist in the history of all manga and japan related work, than isayama did eren dirty, i feel like AOT only has 138 chapters, considering how bad he fucked up the story this way, i would consider the reddit made 139 to be the true cannon, maybe or maybe not the historia eren romance, but daddy eren i really wanted
i really think isayama had a change of hearts. its kind of impossible for me to believe. i mean , we can see the incredible accuracy in writing all the plot to come to this ending. i cant even remember 1 plot hole in the entire franchise. Its just so stupid to throw away all the emotions we got from this man just to be told that it was all done for love. When he clearly had a choice , he chose to create a better future for Mikasa yet her true desire was to spend some quality time with him. It just makes no sense what he did. Even with all the destruction he did nothing really changed except there are no more titans. Hate is still looming in that 20% that survived the rumbling and all we have now is still an eldia that will be seen as "the devils kingdom" for what eren did and its just a matter of time. I do not agree with the fanbase that went appeshit for eren renouncing his freedom , we were already aware that he too became a 'slave'. We knew he was the one who killed his mother , encouraged his father to kill innocent children etc but the core principle is FOR WHAT? WHAT DID HE ARCHIVE WITH THIS ENDING? People will not forget what he did and people will still not understand its intentions. How is it possible that before chapter 139 everything made sense but now so many questions not answered. Where did the power of the titans came from , the love of a child for his rapist and slave-master? What will become of the eldians , because even with most of the continents population dead people will still hate this geocidal maniac? Has aot become such a fairy tale with that shity ending of "well shit we made a mistake on hating these guys , but its okay , even after killing all my kin and compatriots we will reconcile". Till chapter 139 i would have rated aot 20 out of 10 but with this ending , its just not worth it , it was all for a shity ending. I still love this anime and would rate it quite highly but if i was given the option to forget chapter 139 and never learn anything about it I would take it bcz i would be more satisfied with not knowing that knowing the bullshit behind it.
While i do agree with some of your points i feel like people are misunderstanding erens motivations. 1. while i do agree with your point about him choosing to make a better future for mikasa, mikasa isnt the only person he wanted to let have a long happy life. He also cared for his other friends. We know this from when eren has a conversation with all his friends about who will carry on the attack titan, he says that he doesnt want any of them to inherit the titan because he wishes for them to live as long as possible happily. While the reality where he chooses to run away with mikasa would make her happy for 4 years, she would still feel guilty due to the fact all of her and his friends are going to have to suffer for this choice. In that reality marley would invade paradis and jean, connie, levi, armin, etc would most likely pay with their lives. Eren does not want this, like i said, he wants them all to live long, happy lives. 2. Its not as if his decision to destroy 80% of humanity did nothing. In chapter 134, the marleyans state that they should bare the responsibility of creating this monster (eren) who has come from paradis to kill them in the speech that a marleyan says "we took every problem caused by our shortcomings and spat them all out onto 'island devils' and the result was the birth of that monster" and then proceeds to say "if it's possibe for us to ever have a future again, i will never make the same mistakes... i swear it". During this time we see that everyone begins to realise the acts they have partaken in by 'making use of hatred, letting it grow, and believing it would save them'. Isayama clearly establishes that if the situation where the world was to survive, that they would no longer partake in the hatred of eldians. Eren's decision also establishes that even if people were to want to destroy paradis, that they wouldn't be able to wage war due to eren's destruction. His decision also showed that the people of paradis weren't just 'island devils' who sought to destroy the world by influencing his own friends who came from and were raised on the island to kill him. He brought everyone together to destroy their common enemy. The new view of the people of paradis would no longer be tainted by the view of them being devils because of them being heroes who saved the world. He didn't just get rid of the titans, he got rid of the world where eldians were mistreated and persecuted because of the ability they had to become titans, Marleyans treated them in such a way because of fear. By removing the problem of the titans, eren removed the fear the marleyans had of eldians so that the racial mistreatment against eldians would finally come to a close. 3.The question of where titans come from IS actually explained. Titans originated from Ymir's merging with the spinal creature in the tree. 4.I agree with your view on ymir's 'love' for the king, though Stockholm syndrome does exist. 5.You stated that 'people will still hate this genocidal manic', that is the point. Eren painted himself out to be the villain and played this role well by murdering 80% of the population. He made himself the villain so that people would hate him, so that the future children of the rest of the world would see him as a villain, and in order for this to not be repeated they would be taught that something like this can never happen again through the education system that would teach them on how a 'monster' like him came to exist and that it wasnt the fact he was from paradis but was because of the racial injustice of his people. I see this would be the most likely way of eren being taught outside of paradis because of how the current education system teaches students about Hitler and how a monster like him was able to become who he was, and how germany teaches their students these topics with the view of 'we cant let something like this ever happen again'. To clarify I'm not suggesting eren is a character like Hitler, I am suggesting that this is the way the education systems in the world of attack on titan would go about teaching their future about these topics with real world evidence. Edit: Spellings
@@HiitsGyose1024 I am sorry am gonna be a little confusing but i want to look at these respones not in order. Firts , your point number 3 , my question was where did the being come from and why specifically those powers. The creature in the tree was independent therefore its destruction seemed unrealistic. The being that gave power to ymir instantly vanished without any trace , that's what the problem seemed to that plot. For someone so technical like isayama giving such incredible detail but not exactly where did these titan powers come from. I understand how ymir got the powers and spread it and so on , the point is this being itself , what is it and how did it come to be? Point number 4 , Stockholm syndrom is very different from what you think or atleast what i assume you think about it. As far as i know , stockholm syndrome happens when the perpetrator generates a feeling of understanding towards its victims. Lets take mikasa for example , she loved eren even though he made her suffer in many instances but she never forgot what he meant to her. But king fritz never brought any meaning or purpose in the suffering ymir faces. Its not like king fritz showed her a vision worth being slave of , he used her in horrendous ways and not only , she was convicted of being a slave to him to the point of following his wishes for 2000 years (or almost infinity in the paths). The thing is that she followed HIM and his wishes not what he stood for. (king fritz wanted eldia to be dominant yet she followed orders of every other king , so she felt loyal to the person not the idea. The sympathy in stockholm syndrome that derives come from understand of the perpetrators idea and withstanding suffering for its achievement). Point number 1 and 2 and 5 , What about sashas death? I understand the future that he wanted his friends to have but my question is not if his intends were pure but its achievement. Lets thing logically here and i like that you mentioned hitler (not in an ironically war, its a very good point). So with eren dead we see a Paradis island untouched and 80% of the continents population dead. Now we see how the marlayn military point of view but we dont see what the 20% generally things. Families , children , cultures that did not support marley (gypsies as such) will 100% feel an enormous hate for such a being but you say that because eldian fighters stoped him they would be named heros and peace would be established. In 1943 , Operation Valkyrie was an initiative to assassinate hitler. Although unsuccessful this did not change the worlds perspective of the germans. We know perfectly that the Wehrmacht was also just an army and its officials were not all nazis (rommel , gudarian etc). Even to this day , many people who supported the nazis (yeagarists in this metaphor ) or the germans that fought hitler (eldians against eren) are almost indistinguishable. What I am trying to say is that in a "logical and realistic world" people will not see only eren as the devil , but also those who helped him become who he was. Is nobody gonna question these people that clearly helped eren in the attack in liberio that killed so many innocent. If you put yourself in the shoes of 1 of the survivors of erens rumbling you would almost 100% hate eldians because Eren clearly said that the reasoning for its attack was for the well being of its people (Eldians). If Eren used only 100 titans to rumble he would probably archive something even better than what he did because he would allow its people to live in peace for decades but in the scenario eren created , immense hate would be fueled. Fear of being a minority might make them reluctant to do anything about it but people tend to blame easily a group of people to escape their suffering ( nazis to the jews). The biggest assumption that we made is that erens resolve would be accepted by the survivors as a mistake of theirs to create this monster but thats not how human mind works. The first thing any survivor would say is , WHAT DID I DO TO YOU? WHY ME AND WHY HIS WISH TO SAVE ITS PEOPLE PREVAIL OVER MY WISH TO SAVE MINE? thats where quest for power comes in and struggle resumes. Marlayns didn't treat eldians like shit out of fear but for unification because eldians were not a problem for them as titans were not roaming around but in the contrary were being used by themselves. Hate for the eldians was a necessity to unify non eldias. About the happiness about his friends , wouldn't this be a better resolve. Eren killing all non eldians and deleting all their memories of such an event and then removing the titan powers? Their friends will maybe be seen as heroes but for some , also the ones that attacked liberio and helped eren gain his founding powers. To end this because i actually typed too much , my problem is what did this resolve archived and in my opinion it only gives time to paradis, making life for his loved ones not necessarily better , making the world not free of hate and also . People will not forget and usually never forgive. Please take my response with a grain of salt but i am trying to look at it logically. In my opinion i dont see a resolve but a delay. ( remember jews were not titans in real life but still were hated from the world , people dont need just fear to hate or dehumanize , all they need is a purpose [such as unity or political interests] and then differentiate [ color of the skin or race].
@@shkodra1505 I'll drop in with just a couple of points. I think that the point of the ending is exactly showing that there never are easy answers. That in a world without literal man-eating monsters we still find fear, hate, disagreements and war. We still come up with ways to protect ouselves and subdue our enemies or at the very least keep them at bay. That is the point. That's part of human nature which we, as humanity, try to fight and grow out of. As for Eren... he becomes a god-like being. Just like Ymir. But he is free as in - he chooses what he does, while she did not. She didn't believe that she could - that she can be free and that you can love someone and at the same time let them go. Eren gains almost timeless perspective. In a world where people hate each other, find scapegoats, wage war - the usual, real ugly stuff. And all this world at some point would come for his home, for his friends. What does one do wit it with a god-like destructive power in one's reach? As for the time travel which is not time travel... I don't think that the founding titan power undermines Eren's character progression at all. We know that he doesn't have acces to it's full power initially and only later gains the insight. As he says, he's in the past, the now and the future all at once. But if so he is the hopeful child and bitter adult at the same time, he's still himself, he chooses that one future because that's who he is. He creates the very person he is. He is a world destroying monster and a child that saw his mother being eaten. The past had happened because the future Eren lived it, so it happens. So at the same time he is free to do what he thinks is right yet at the same time he is a slave to the human nature. He will kill all his enemies - for his friends to be safe. He will not take away their freedom - because he cares for them, and thus he fails to create a world where they would be safe. But he creates one with a more even playing field. And of course people will judge! They will look at soldiers and say "You killers!", but that's why it's all left unsaid. It's all yet to happen and will get better if this generation of leaders learnt from the previous one's mistakes. If they can become better. If people around them listen to reason and compassion, if they will be willing to forgive and try to build better future. After all the man-eating monsters are gone. There is only humanity left. Generally I think that most story telling in SnK is cleverly written, with the uncovering of more and more secrets, changing perpectives, questioning people's motives. The progress from "I'll kill you all" to "We're all the same" is brilliant! And concusion that while we're alike we still will kill each other. BUT that message is very straight forward. We see this world view change, we realise all those things along with the character who SAY IT OUT LOUD FOR US. It's not implied. It's stated. And the last chapter is more complicated than that. It changes Eren from a very compelling protagonists into a personified metaphor. Of humanity's primal animalistic instincs and the desire to be more, to represent more than that. And that it's not so simple. That it never is simple.
@@calinissetehtarello4126 i am not disagreeing with anything here except for the future part , eren can manipulate the past and hes the one who directed Dina Fritz to not kill berthold when she had the chance but go straight for his mother. This is something even scientists cant explain , the who was before , the egg or the chicken question. Time travel in the core essence is filled with paradoxes so we cant really say for certain. Now i really understand the way you explained what you think should be important and taken into consideration and i sympathize with that , but it just isn't enough t. In its core essence , its not fulfilling and does not justify what was done. First the means , second the results and third its necessity and existence in the first place. Noone predicted Eren to do what he did or become the man he did become , its just that the build up to it was so close to perfect that the end seems unconceivable. We are used to oda hitting us with twists and surprises , but this one didnt seem like a twist but more like a forced ending for the viewers. I belive to most of the audience , its just not good enough.
@@shkodra1505 Ahhh.. I might be the odd one here, true :D I'm intto leaving a bit of "soft magic", a bit of unexplainable so maybe that's why I'm more forgiving. I admit that I'm myself not convinced if the feeling of emptiness of "humanity is doomed to repeat it's mistakes" was actually planned by Isayama :D So I totally get that people are disapointed. Thanks for a civil talk
Eren motives constantly changing and the sometimes radically jumps in logic in his motives fit with the constant tone/perspective jumping of the story's direction. which makes me wonder if that Eren motives at any point is to justify story or the story braking to justify Erens motive. great video
In my opinion it would be better if Eren saw a Minor change in the future he saw and just freaked the fuck out (by someone dying that should still alive for example) and ending with something like “I could not live being a slave to destiny knowing We could fight against it” then he stops the humbling
Why. Just why. SO much was built up and to throw it away just becaue "hehehehe we tricked everyone and created a massive plot twist. Such deep writers." it jsut pisses me off, I tried for 2 years to watch aot (i was so stupid i forgot crunchy roll accounts existed) And this is what I'm introduced too? I wished they made use of something life mind control and the lore of who gave ymir her powers. I know that war isnt always about happy endings. But cant we just get one for once.
Well, they are trying to look for everything that proves this ending doesn't have plot holes, and creates interpretations of the story based on nothing. The ending is poorly done, Isayama didn't even know what he did, but people still try to defend him. I'm so sad
I hate when time travel is involved in anything that affects the story being told. It means that every character has no choice in their actions. Everything predetermined in their story.
I would honestly somewhat agree with you about Eren's character. Isayama did say Eren was a slave to the story. I definitely don't think he was completely ruined, but the ending definitely robbed his spot as favorite anime character. Im pretty sure Lelouch or Guts are my favorite characters of all time, and now I feel like now Zeke, Reiner, and Levi are probably tied for my favorite character in AOT. Good job as always! :)
Reiner was second favorite for me, in terms of AoT characters so he pushed his way to the top now, for me. Damn though, I dont know who my favorite overall character is now. I'd need to think about that.
Throughout the series, we see Eren's infatuation with moving forward with his goals (whether it was pre-memories (unconsciously, rage-filled), or post memories (subconsciously, with nihilism)) Both of these are incorrect. Notice how, even with him getting his memories, nothing changed at all. He still sought to "move forward". His external reality changed, but his mindset was the same. In ch. 139 in paths, he accepts reality wholeheartedly. And what do we see? A place of nothing. No walls. Nothing but infinite potential. THAT IS TRUE FREEDOM. He had finally became conscious of his reality, and that reality can move forward, without him pushing it forward. Eren's acceptance of reality was done phenomenally, and him embracing his vulnerability in paths (shown by him crying) shows that he doesn't have to be "stoic" to be free.
Reason why series’s is low-key ruined : Incel eren. Ymir was in the paths for 2000 years making titans to terrorise the world all this time , because she was in love with her slave master. Ymir the founder who was meant to seek freedom entered the story said nothing Ymir left the story offscreen said nothing. Eren historia uprising relationship went in the bin . Historia asked eren about having a child because why not. Historia lied about her date of conception because why not. Eren followed historia and the farmer into the barn because why not. Zeke mentions mikisa loving him and eren thinks of historia but I’m supposed to believe eren is in love with mikisa. Real reason why eren was doing this before become a simp Memed pigeon: Eren said I wanted this , I will not gamble paridise future. Only way to put an end to the cycle of hate is to bury those animals deep underground . What would my mum think when I kill these animals. I took Freedon away from the world in order to gain my own. I was born this way . If someone steals ppl freedom I won’t hesitate To take theirs . If we kill everyone beyond these walls will we be free. When I found out humanity lived beyond the walls I was so disappointed. I will keep moving forward until I kill my enemies . Ill gladly give up my life but I refuse to sacrifice historia (bear in mind that’s all he would say after the timeskip)Tatakae .The rumbling will not stop it will crush everyone and lands beyond paridise . Eren also said in season 1 a powerful enemy will not make humanity units . Serie ruined: Turns out eren acc killed his mum because it wasn’t Bertholdt time to die alright. Now eren doesn’t really know why he did the rumbling he forgot. Eren saying to historia your the girl who saved me that day the worst girl in the world was a lie it’s acc mikisa who saved him. The unkiliable worm disappeared. Eren now gambled paridise .one of the greatest chapters in aot history when eren and zeke is in the paths and with pure willpower eren rips out of the chains and frees Ymir while she’s running because he understood her and she was waiting 2000 years for someone like him, this chapters are now jokes as mikisa the main character was acc the one who saved Ymir not eren. The final panel of a man holding his child surpassing his father saying you are free was a lie now instead we got a pigeon holding some dirty ass scarf that’s never been washed. Eren has now been reduced to a clown sister loving simps out of nowhere ,who can’t really temenber why he killed 80 percent of humanity and won’t let his stepsister mikisa move on . He has also gambled paridise future as there is now titans to protect them now further more the alliance have now admitted it thr cycle of hate won’t end until one side is completely wiped out. What this chapter has done is ruin the entire series and eren historia Ymir grisha who had absolutely no right to call eren free because he was still living in walls
Alright so, i actually think the way things played out *wasn't* what Eren planned all along, in a sense. At least, it's not the plan he would've chosen if it were solely up to him. Like Eren said, he would've completed the rumbling and killed everyone if nobody had stopped him, that was his plan. That was his personal goal and that's the way we've known him leading up to the final chapter. However, he also wanted to give his loved ones the freedom to stop him if that's what they wanted. And since he knew in advance that they *would* succeed in stopping him, he took their actions into account and altered his plan accordingly, setting everything up so they would be hailed as heroes. He went along with his friends' plan at the expense of his personal goal, because he values their freedom more than anything. Eren's character wasn't changed in the last chapter, his goals were still as we had come to expect, it's just that he abandoned them for the sake of everyone else.
Yes. His character was overly assassinated after the marley arc. Seems like they need to rush it and plot hole after plot hole is seen up to the ending
He wasn’t but it literally sucks how he worked so hard for everything and been training his ass off so hard to get respect and acknowledged by the village only for him to be the reincarnation of Jesus. So that literally throws all that hard work away
@@Lee-ew6pr It also sucks how in his fight with Neji, he kept talking about how there's no such thing as 'destiny' only to be revealed as the guy destined to be the child of prophecy, the reincarnation of some of the greatest shinobi, and the 9 tails jinchuriki. The show kept trying to tell us Neji's philosophy was untrue, but Naruto's mere existance proves it. And then the hypocritical brat pretends 'hard work beats being gifted' when Rock Lee, an ordinary guy who worked hard just got destroyed by the more gifted Gaara(a Jinchuriki).
8:48 Oh come on! It's right there in the panel. Eren is literally thinking about Grisha telling him that he is free, because he was born into this world as you said. The I don't know line is Eren expressing doubt, having second thoughts. Because He's just killed millions and clearly feels a great amount of remorse over it. This memory takes place directly after chapter 131 when Eren started the rumbling. Even those with the grandest of plans will have a moment of doubt and uncertainty when they actually go through with it, this was one of the most humanizing moments for his character. As you point out, the reader already knows why Eren did this, he's stated it again and again, so he doesn't have to here. This is a visual medium, what we're shown carry's more weight than what is stated, and we're shown in that panel exactly what Eren was thinking about. Edit: 12:00 This is not the Eren who fought for freedom no matter what? Really? I don't see that at all, he literally sacrificed is own life and commited atrocities that crushed for the freedom of his friends and homeland. The Eldians are now free from the Titans as a result of his actions. This is very much still the Eren that fought for freedom no matter the cost.
My God, finally someone Who really get the meaning of those scenes. I didn't like much the ending, i Still think AnR was the perfect ending, but with Eren and Ymir characters fandom really went Crazy and couldn't think anymore. I still see people upset cause Eren said that he loves his Friends ,while he said It about 3/4 more times in these last 50 chapters. Or that "why Eren Is apologizing if he didn't destroy all the world", really? Yeah he didn't anything horrible right? He Just killed 80% humanity, so he Isnt a Monster as we thought. Really guys, Just re-read last arcs.
I am incredibly pissed that people can't even fucking understand the character of Eren just because in the end he wasn't the edgy person that just wanted the mass genocide The final chapter did not ruin the character of Eren but completed him, he showed himself vulnerable to his friends because they were the people he cared so much of and he knows this is the last time he will ever talk to them He showed them his real reasons because he couldn't handle anymore this incredible weight of his actions thus why he said he doesn't know anymore because everything he went through is messing up with his head and he doesn't want to have to commit massive genocide he regrets it but he couldn't find any other way to save the people he loved and stopping a possible inifinite war with the world His intentions to be everyone's martyr are made completely clear when when on the plane to stop him his friends strted thinking that he could use the power of the founding titan to stop them in an overpowering way but he doesn't because he wants to be stopped he doesn't want to do this and to drag his friends into this but he can't find any other way but to sacrifice his own freedom and commit atrocities to give it to the people that he loved He lied to Zeke he lied to the world but when talking to Reiner he didn't lie nor when talking to Yimir he just wished things could've ended differently and that the entire world wasn't against them Also the last chapter gives the scene where Eren yells Hange in the cell if she got another way to do this has an even deeper meaning because after years and years of careful thinking he couldn't find it and he desperatly wants another way he doesn't want to do what he saw in Historia's hand Eren is the most human character and my favorite along Reiner and i hate how people completely misinterpreted the character and really thouht that the last chapter ruined him when it didn't
@@Cicosbruh I guess that just means he cares more about Reiner, Annie and even Gabi more than he does about Hange. Literally any one of them could have died during the rumbling by taking Hange's place. If he truly just wanted to be a Matyr there wouldn't be a need to put up that much of a fight against the alliance given that there aren't any outside "witnesses" to observe that fight. All parties involved in that fight were made aware of his true intentions at the end of the rumbling, so he's not fooling anyone by making a believable effort. Re-contextualizing the goal of his actions to saving his "loved ones" rather than just ensuring the survival of Eldia makes no sense given the resistance he put up. His choice to not just stop them via memory alteration is consistent with his obsession with freedom and isn't a "absolute indication" of his intention to be stopped. Now you might say that they were never at risk given that he knew the outcome, but even directly after his death his friends were at the mercy of the Marleyeans, whether or not they would be spared was outside the timeline of his future vision. Furthermore the Yeagerists, a faction Eren started, is logically going to be hostile to his loved ones given how they stopped the rumbling. To retroactively state that his plan included the goal of "saving his loved ones" is just laughable, given that all his actions actively out them in danger. While he *might* have removed the threat of immenent death via the world war, he actively introduced unnecessary threats to them in the process of his plan.
@@LeCatization that's where you're wrong, he put up such a fight putting his friends in danger because if he simply stopped or went easy on them to avoid them dying then they would not have been credible heroes and he wouldn't have been successful at his sacrifice or be successful as portraying himself as someone they should stop, he wanted to be seen as an absolute evil going hard expecially on those who he was the closest with because he wasnted them to hate him so that they would be able to kill him without regrets or be able to not keep him dear to his heart after the atrocities he would've committed even if they failed to stop him or stayed in the island He did use the memory alternation on them he used the power to talk to them and he chose to delete those memories because if he didn't then they would be still hesitating or regretting this whole mission that was the whole thing in the last chapter they all regained their memories and Eren spoke to them truthfully to his heart because he knew he was going to die and he knew that was the last time he could speak to them and he tells them that he is sorry for dragging them to this and he doesn't know what would happen later but he knows that they at least would end up being the heroes of the world, and he entrusted Armin this new world he believes that he will be able to save what's left of it because of his pacifistic views and his strategical and diplomatic skills and this is why Eren told him to take the title of killing him despite being Mikasa the one that killed Eren, because he wanted to leave mikasa alone from any responsabilities and entrust them to his best friend, and if Armin was the savior of the world then he would be listened by everyone because he saved everyone And as you saw in the end they all were going to Paradis to talk to the Yeagerists to stop another possible war He knew all of this but what he didn't know was if in the end it was going to work but out of all the alternatives this was the best out of the other presented to him for him and he trusted his friends to be able to make it There's many speculations on the child Eren psyche or wether he was influenced by Yimir in some ways or not or he simply ended up losing his mind because he suddently gained the powers of a god and just like the Reiss family that changed him so this is why in some panels you see him being acutally gruesome when trampling the people calling them animals but the line where he was disappointed that the were people outside the walls was truthful because it just ended up making the enemies bigger and their freedom even more limited and what he sae on historia's hand even more painful Since he couldn't find any ways because he couldn't accept to simply let his country and friends die or having to keep being in a endless war he wanted to end this cycle forever and he desperatly tried to look at any possible ways for him but couldn't find any and decided to do as the future shown to him In the end Eren wasn't free you could say he's a slave of freedom and sacrificied his to allow his friends to have it even if that meant sacrificing the whole world with him
@@Cicosbruh Yeah, going hard on them makes sense if there were people witnessing the fight. But apart from maybe some Marleyeans bystanders, no one except the alliance (who now know Eren's intentions regardless) know about that fight on the founding titan (where he summoned all the past 9 titans). What's the point of putting up a fight to convince the world that he was an absolute evil, when there is no one of importance to witness that fight? The rest of the world will only know about Armin's efforts through word of mouth, so whether or not he put up that fight is pointless. He becomes an absolute evil just by commiting the genocide, the resistance that he put up against his friends add nothing to that, it's not like it was broadcast or anything. Even the Marleyeans who were the closest had no idea what was going on. Honestly, do you really think people who have no idea about the limits of the founding titans power would be questioning why Eren didn't summon past titans to stop them, or why the collosal titans slowed down to let their plane escape (so Hange didn't have to sacrifice themselves)? Simply scaling the founding titan and killing Eren would have been more than enough to be heroes. Also, just because he puts trust in Armin's negotiating skills doesn't explain why he created the Yeagerists to be hostile towards his friends. Instead of a neccesary evil, the Yeagerist were made to actively glorify the rumbling. It's one thing to trust his friends to make things work, and it's another thing to create a faction now in charge of Eldia's military that wants to harm them.
I am so happy here people agree the ending was bad when i clicked the vid i thought i would see a dislike bar bigger than darth vaders lightsaber lmao but people here actually have valid arguements and agree
@@tanvirhasan4912 I remember said that eren is better mc than guts, lelouch or luffy before this silly chapter 139 came out now I feel stupid for comparing him to those goat isayama is really his manga pillar
i would have prefered that eren had the intention of wiping everything but gave a chance, freedom to stop them, instead of idk paralizing with the control he has over eldians
@Linus Chen said this and I found it very interesting. Tell me yall's opinions I’ve already told others this but I think in a odd sense chapter 139’s imperfections are actually what made it fitting of Aot. Here’s my take on the ending. Yes the ending has it’s flaws and issues but I think that’s the point the ending is supposed to be disappointing. I think Isayama wanted the ending to confound us and leave us saying “what the hell?!?” This show has always been a commentary and allegory for the flaws of humanity and it’s nature. Ultimately I think it stays true to the theme by showing that no matter what we do true freedom is simply unattainable. I don’t think Eren being a clueless slave to fate was outta nowhere. Call me arrogant but I think it was pretty obvious that Eren was a unwilling slave to fate since the time travel reveal. Even his founding titan design is a hint at this, he’s literally being strung up and hanged by strings like a puppet does that look free to you? (It’s also a reference to the Norse god Odin when he hanged himself on a tree and sacrificed a eye for enlightenment. Aot has a lot of Norse symbolism) Not to mention there’s a pretty reasonable explanation for Eren’s behavior and that he developed multiple personality disorder or a extreme fictional version of bipolar disorder. This hypothesis is not without basis either, Eren was shown to have always been screwed up in the head since childhood he killed two men without remorse so likely a form of anti-social personality disorder. Couple that with repeated trauma and excessive stress in his adolescence it was only a matter of time before his mental state snapped. I guess ultimately it’s like Kenny Ackerman once said “everyone’s a slave to something”. I think that’s the point the ending wasn’t supposed to be satisfying, the cycle of violence wasn’t broken and history will only repeat itself. I don’t even think Eren could’ve succeeded in completing the rumbling. As far as I can piece together from the little explanation and exposition we got it looks like time travel in Aot works fairly deterministically. (Eren says time in path exists all at once and we saw Eren try to deny his visions by seeing the accuracy of them) That’s the tragedy of Eren Yeager, he wanted freedom and free will but you can’t exactly have that when you know what’s gonna happen anyways. Eren even denied this fact and kept trying to convince himself he was free but the moment Sasha died that was the breaking point. Eren asking Mikasa what she was to him and her answer really wasn’t that important it’s the implications of her answer. Eren didn’t start the rumbling cause he was “friend zoned” it was cause if Mikasa had answered differently it would’ve meant Eren’s visions of the future are just possibilities but since she answered exactly as he saw that proved to him he really was trapped and that he had no freedom. Even the fact that Eren could only kill 80% of the world is more proof of this. If he could’ve just killed a few more people that’d be enough to prove to himself he really was free but alas he couldn’t even do that. Eren was always a flawed character I think the fault was with us, we idolize and got attached to Eren when we shouldn’t of. Isayama wrote Eren not as a noble character but one driven by his wrath, rage, fear and obsession. Look I’m not to happy with the ending, I originally hated it and even went as far as to rant about it online but at the end of the day the end is the end and I think we should move on. A far better use of our time and energy would be to analyze this story and it’s themes.
I'm actually super down for the "freedom is unattainable" angle for the story. I had a script for a video with that exact title that I'd make if I ended up liking the ending before the chapter even came out. Although I really dont like that hes a slave to fate. Back in season 3, we have Kenny's philosophy that "everyone is a slave to something" and that was a really nuanced part of the series. In terms of Eren, the big assumption was that he was ironically a slave to the concept of freedom that drove him forward. That's really interesting and something I loved about his character. Compared to that, fate being the explanation feels very lazy and lacking in nuance. If Isayama was going to take the route that said Eren was never free, I would have liked it to have been because of psychology, not because of some outside mystical force.
Wow! I've come to some very similar conclusions as I wrote in a commet "Generally I think that most story telling in SnK is cleverly written, with the uncovering of more and more secrets, changing perpectives, questioning people's motives. The progress from "I'll kill you all" to "We're all the same" is brilliant! And concusion that while we're alike we still will kill each other. BUT that message is very straight forward. We see this world view change, we realise all those things along with the character who SAY IT OUT LOUD FOR US. It's not implied. It's stated. And the last chapter is more complicated than that. It changes Eren from a very compelling protagonists into a personified metaphor. Of humanity's primal animalistic instincs and the desire to be more, to represent more than that. And that it's not so simple. That it never is simple." And I totally agree with Zenith's point that it probably would be better if the plot point of Eren never being free was psychological, not mystical, but... that would mean that the titans in attack on titan were not needed at all. And I can forgive that one not perfectly executed metaphor for years, and years of great story. And an amazing spectacle we get in anime! It's just... there are so many stories dealing with human nature, and most are a lot more boring than SnK. So I'll take titans and less than ideal conclsion to the fantastical part of the story and be happy with an engaging moralistic story ending with hopelessness and hopefulness at the same time.
Eren is still awesome in my eyes. Mass killing of 80% of everyone is not justifiable whatsoever. Still, the fact that he saw a future where the power of the Titans can be ended with the cost of 80% of people losing their lives, is something to consider. His vision after touching Historia changed him cause he literally saw all of that (stated by Armin in the final chapter). If he didn’t go through with it, wars and the hate toward Paradis would still continue (the world would essentially look like the volcanic place Eren brought Armin to). Him seeing a foreseeable future by causing his friends to get so overwhelmed of him killing 80%, that they would resort to feeling the need to stop him, is the reason why there is no titan power and no more death after the 80%. He harbored all of that, to bring peace, and to entrust humanity to Armin and everyone else. He draws similarities with the end result to that of itachi, and similar to Jesus (well not really but low key same idea kinda).
First of all it has never been said nor implied that Eren wants "world peace". He wanted his loved ones to have a future, not more and not less. Second Eren telling Ymir that she can decide doesn't lose meaning at all and your own argument doesn't even add up. If Mikasa was the one who freed her by actions she hadn't even done yet and Eren played no role in it the story would have been over after chapter 122. So what was the meaning behind this scene? Mikasa showed Ymir that even if you love someone as much as she did that doesn't mean you blindly follow that person, that person's desires, that person's wishes. Ymir has only been obeying orders but Eren telling her that she can choose made her "act on her own." She acts on her own but not out of her true own intentions, she still loves King Fritz. So she acts as someone who loves him would act, following his wish, his desire. There is a difference between merely obeying orders or acting out of following someone's wish. So yes she is not free yet, but that doesn't make it lose meaning, he still said the truth and without Ymir "acting on her own" and lending him her power they never end up in a situation where Mikasa opposes Eren's actions to the point of killing him, which is the ultimate opposition - To kill and stop the one that you love who acts with the intention to save you, your friends and your home. Another thing people seem to overlook when they talk about how he was only a "slave to destiny", is that right before he kissed Historia's hand, what made him see the future, he even said "If giving my life would change something, I would willingly give it". What a coincidence that the man who sees a future of him sacrificing himself for his friends right after he said he would sacrifice himself. And yes besides saving his friends he also achieves the extinction of titans. Titans were a fundamental problem in the world of AoT, but not the only one problem. As even Yelena says "For what we must abhor is not the titans power but rather the weakness of allowing onseself to be consumed by that power". AoT never showed that Eldians, a race capable of becoming titans and having immense power, was the only problem in this world, but it showed that it was a fundamental one which always lead to conflicts either because of not trusting eldians or by eldians abusing their power. So of course the world left behind isn't an idealistic one, because AoT showed that there are other conflicts and there will be new conflicts, what we need is action. Action by trying to understand one another instead of fighting each other. There are obviously more things that could be said, but that's already a damn paragraph so I leave it at that.
On me I don’t understand how so many people didn’t see that he was putting on a act and we would get a code geass ending because it was obvious to me and I only read the manga after the anime ended and I don’t have any problems with the ending and even those I have watch like 10 videos of people explaining why they think it’s bad I just don’t see it to me is a 8/10 maybe 7/10 for a 10/10 show.
Really? Obvious? An act underneath his act to go along with Zeke's plan? I dont see how that is obvious at all when we get multiple moments of great characterization that would only be ruined by it being an act. It would only be obvious if you had zero faith in the writer, which was apparently the right move
@@ZenithAniManga Yh after I watch the table scene I started to think he was putting on a act and even talk to my friends about it whenthe episode came out and we all agreed and after the anime finish and I read the manga I only started to believe that more after the scene with eren and the little boi that he was going to kill TBH nothing surprised me except for him declaring his love for Mikasa and the only thing I really hated was the whole historia thing.
@@lexis788 literally everyone knew the table scene was an act. I don't even know what your point is. At that point, he was still pretending to go along with the eithanization plan. Most people caught on that was a lie. I'm talking about his convictions to the rumbling.
@@ZenithAniManga Yh but wouldn’t the scene with the kid in like chapter 130 something tell u he wasn’t fully committed to do it because it did that for me and if am not mistaken that was a 1 ago form the current story.
no after actually watching your video I think you might be right about Eren's character being assassinated but I also like the idea of Eren being nothing more than a plot device since it ironically goes against everything he stands for.
I feel like what the ending does is take away the human aspect Eren always had (simply a boy who was born in the cruel world of AoT and experienced suffering along with getting his hands on power) and replace it forcefully with an artificial hero of salvation for all. That change makes him different from other human characters like Zeke, Kenny and especially Reiner, who Eren was a perfect foil to until 139. Eren was better as Eren and not cheap copy of Lelouch.
I think what pisses me off the most is this 1 chapter turned from a character to a plot point just like you said. I look at a character like Shulk (Xenoblade) and how he sees his future and fate but chooses to opose it to create his own fate and freedom for him and his people. Yet Eren just follows every single thing he is told to do which tbh is irony but it also spits in the face of who Eren was in chapters 1 to 138
I mean its not like Eren didnt try changing his future. The 4 year time skip was him having hope that he finds a new solution, continuously relying on Hange on finding something but nothing. All other plans were unsatisfactory for him and he had no choice but to go with this one.
I’d say it probably was but maybe you can change my mind or something, but I’ll comment more when I’m done 👨🏾💻. Guess you’re not changing my mind guess we’ll just be sad from the switch up together my friend
@@ZenithAniManga got on a long call with my brother 2 days ago and as we talked and went through the story we came to the same conclusion, none of it really fits well together. It kinda feels like you got all the puzzle pieces and now you needa cut or shave them down to make them fit now, and I don’t like that
I heavily doubt we'll get an anime-only ending. That never happens to a series' benefit. I really dont know what the extra pages are gonna be. I dont think this is an ending that is improved by adding more. I guess I'd like to see some more of what's happening with the main cast in their daily lives though. That felt very skimmed over. Or some explanation on the founding Titan because that got convoluted towards the end. I dont know what else I could want at this point.
I do agree with the fact that the character was devoided of meaning, all his philosophy, all his motives, all his revolutions, it was all taken away, honestly I have my own headcanon about how the story ended and though I respect Ysayama for the amazing work I didi I am convinced that he screwed up
Ever since Levi was blown because zeke pulled the string, I stopped caring. That to me was bad writing, that's not how you end an awesome character like levi. I was so hyped for a full on final battle. Idc if levi died, I just wanted to see him avenge erwin
What are you talking about? Levi isn't dead.. Do you read Rumbling Arc? He survive and even present at the final battle.. He is one of the only character who get the best payoff compare to other characters. As an Eren stan, I'm jealous of how well his character conclusion is written.
@@WeyardWiz Just because he is disabled, doesn't mean he end right there.. Even as a crippled, he manage to fullfil his promise to Erwin. Even as a crippled, he still manage to survive army of titan shifter and save Connie. He also help Mikasa when fighting Eren. Not just that, he able to meet all his fallen comrade for one last time. I rather have a crippled character getting best attention and satisfying payoff compare to a character who get a half assed conclusion or characters assassination last minute (looking at you, Reiner and Eren).
Look, I read a shitton of stories. And I felt it coming. You know when you're reading a series and more and more things keep happening, the action keeps rising, so many things happening it's *great*. But then you also see the book is running thin and there's only a few pages left and there are still so many questions left unanswered... by chapter 138 I KNEW they were gonna fucked up. One chapter was in no way going to wrap up the story nicely. I spent a whole month worrying and trying to convince myself that Isayama was somehow going to make it a great ending, because he's Isayama. Look at what he's done to Eren. Well... I convinced myself for nothing. I went back and reread the whole manga and I can pinpoint 2 critical moments that from a literary perspective are not the best to take. 1. Changing POVs late in the series. I understand why Isayama changed POVs: to make the plottwist of Eren's true intentions the climax of the series. However, in my personal opinion, he didn't have to do it. Why do we usually watch a series? Because of the characters. And for 3 seasons we followed Eren through his character journey. How he lost everything when the titans broke into the walls, how he joined the survey corps, how he learned he was a titan, how he accepted his titan powers in order to fight, how he had to go through many obstacles to get to the basement. Attack on Titan IS the story about Eren. So having a POV change right when we were entering the height of the series was a bad call. Can you imagine the emotional turmoil us as readers would have gone through had we stayed with Eren's POV? Us going hand in hand as Eren explores the outside world and learns first hand what is like to be a subject of Ymir? How his hope of the outside world turns grim as his view of it shatters little by little? How slowly but surely the hate he has for the perpetrators and the ones in charge spreads to the ordinary merleyans that also share that view further cementing his resolve to go through the rumbling for everyone? BUT also how he struggles to come to terms with such a decision because just as he meets bad people, he also meets good people that despite being the "enemy" show Eren that they truly are just humans being played just like they were played by King Fritz? THAT would've been amazing. We would've savor the true journey of Eren coming to terms with doing something so radical, that we as readers know is just wrong but also would be cheering for him because we *get* where he's coming from. A moral torture for the readers! 2. The introduction of a fixed timeline. Look, I will say it straight, most of the times, time travelling/ manipulation is just lazy writing. Now I'm not saying it cannot be something great, there are some stories that have done a great job about it, BUT the theme of it is at the center of the story. In Attack on Titan? Not at all. AoT is a story about a boy fighting for freedom no matter what cost. So why on earth would Isayama introduce a set timeliness, depriving everyone of their freedom and their right to choose? Specially for the main character that since season 1 has *forced* his way to achieve what he wants at all costs? Someone... please make it make sense. Had Isayama giving us a story where Eren is solely responsibly for his own actions in pursuit of freedom and not because the events are set in stone and MUST happen no matter what is just such a HUGE let down for me. Also I will add an additional point: Bonus point: Show not tell. Chapter 139 was just Eren telling us everything. I mean... really? The heart of every fantastic scene in AoT so far has been because we were shown what was happening and experienced it for ourselves. Remember when Reiner and Bertholdt revealed who they were? We were shown, we experienced that scene alongside Eren which is what makes it that memorable. Chapter 131 when Eren breaks down crying in front of the kid? Why is that that scene has such an emotional impact? Because we know exactly what is at stake, and we are shown first hand for the very first time what Eren truly feels. But chapter 139? The whole chapter was just a conversation and flashbacks. Nope. This actually ties nicely to my point #1, because only by showing and not telling (following Eren's POV through the most important decision he will ever make) can we get a truly emotional experience for an ending.
Wait I’m confused on how it pleased the shit side of the fandom. Just because some like the ending makes them shit? I’m at a loss here. Like said in the video, it’s subjective. I for one, don’t think Eren’s whole character was assassinated by this ending. The only part that I’m kinda irked me was when it was revealed that he sent his Dina to kill his mom, which even then due to fan scans or official translation can be interpreted as Ymir doing it and him being unable to do anything. So does me thinking that make me apart of the shit side of the fandom, just because I have a different opinion?
I meant the annoying mfs who defend the chapter like it's their girlfriend. They pretend others are speed readers. There's nuance, no problem in liking some aspects. Criticism for both sides should be welcomed
@@batguy39 That’s true and I can agree. I personally think the ending is satisfying sitting at a 7.5/10, but I still have things that confused me or that I felt off about in this chapter so I can agree with some of the complaints people have and can also disagree with them as well
I honestly don't think Eren's character was ruined by this chapter. Instead it answered all the questions like "Why did Eren turn on all his friends in season 4?" If you remember, Eren's titan power had messed with his head for so many years because the memories exist in the past, present, and future all at once. And everything happening was inevitable and all he could do was watch it happen. And, like Eren Kruger, he had to do some lie and hurt his people in order to free them. So what you would call hypocritical, was just a means to an end.
@@rorosami3707 How exactly does Eren have no character development? Have you even been paying attention to the story all these years or is this your first time hearing about it?
@@bubblyboba8679 is killing 80% of mankind and doom the future of your country just so some of your friends who managed to survive live a long life (even if there was actually better lesscosty ways to do that ) justified?
What a waste of a potential protagonist. Eren is, was and will be one of my favorite protagonist, especially when he was portrayed as the most ordinary not so intense and relatable character. He was not so special or gifted. It hurts to see him taking fate to be an answer for who always believed in change and freedom despite being on a level below Levi, Armin, Mikasa. Pulling a Lelouch or Itachi is all cool but when you massacre in the name of fate unlike those prior characters. Mixed emotions to see Eren character development into something so out of place. I have been a fan of all those grey shaded anime characters but Eren gave an immense mental tangle. Also there was no point in routing for so many characters who stood upfront to bring change like Historia, Levi and Hanji who was experimenting on titans and stuff, Armin being the intelligent being among the squad who was way ahead of everyone. Things blew pasT over the head ultimately cutting down everything to Ymir's obsession as curse, and so many people suffering over it for past 2000 years for that and Eren pulling a King Fritz even though he didn't know the ending. There was no way around for any of the built-up suspense, plot and character development could get any justice. Yeah he saved the future generation. Eren made me feel like he is right, he may be right, he is great, he has plans, he flipped for good, he lost it, he will still pull it off, he has no plans, he is fated to die, he is still good, he is bad, he died. It was like locked up in a room without light, water, food, air and among vicious humans for months only to find out that the door was never locked in the first place. PS: Armin was the only character who remained true to his nature even after his character development. Everyone else were either flipped, dead or made weak and detached for the sake of plot. Love form a true AOT/SNK fan.
Is it possible that some things Eren didn't know until he actually reached the paths? Such as finding out what truly led to his mother's death and also who Ymir was truly waiting for?
That's entirely possible, but that leads more into what I think is a problem of ambiguity. The story leaves a lot of the details about how the paths work and how much control/knowledge he had very open-ended. And while I see a lot of people praise that ambiguity, I cant help but see it as more convoluted and frustrating.
@@ZenithAniManga yeah I couldn't agree more. I really hope someday Hajime Isayama just comes out and explains his intentions with the final chapter and answers all the questions that left its readers so lost and confused
What happened to eren character ark what happens to his acceptance his fate and destiny to transform to surrendering it his fate without fighting the same thing that defines him fighting against oppression isiyma literally take what defines his protagonist and flip it for no fucking reason and gave us one of the worst interpretation of eren that could ever exist and it’s stupid some people defend that saying that his character ark ends with him became slave to his destiny or fighting for freedom but even if that was right if he is the real eren he would expect that not surrendering to it
I can only disagree with you for that. I think this chapter actually fully ended eren's character developpement. I mean until this chapter Eren was a complex character but simple in his motivations. In this chapter eren is a few moment before dying and we can actually get into his deep mind and feelings. He was fragile all along and this chapter doesn't remove all his actions. His conversation with Ymir still remains the same, she needed him to do that in order to realise that she can choose whatever she wanted. The fact that we don't know what made Mikasa in order for Ymir to change is just so perfect. She's free, Eren freed her from slavery so Mikasa can free her from her love. In my opinion it's such a good ending.
I liked it It was a reminder that after all the characters of aot where ideal people created to be liked by the creator but imperfect humans has we are. For everyone saying Eren in 139 is contradictory 1-it's wanted, 1 time is an error, everything is wanted 2-when he say freedom and kill them all it's kid Eren talking, the real one ia sleeping
So what I am saying is that eren is a sh**ass and I like the character because of this. Before for me he was the classic psycho no he is even more messed up
I don’t think Eren’s character was destroyed by 139 but I can see why some people do. I just hope the anime keeps the ending but improves it at the very minimum. My ideal ending is Eren destroying the world and his friends and then being the only one left on the Earth.
Honestly, I thought a lot of people had my interpretation of Eren's actions, and desires; so I was shocked when I found out a lot of people HATED the ending and think it ruins Eren's character. My interpretation is this; Eren was the slave to the story but eventually found freedom. However, when he finally gained that freedom, he chose to do something he truly didn't want to do; Keep being a slave in order to grant everyone he loves freedom. In seasons 1-3, any meaningful action he really took ended in punishment. - Trying to avenge comrades; gets himself killed - Tells a court to put their faith in him; Gets the shit kicked out of him and forced to live under the supervision of his executioners (Levi's Squad) - Trusts his comrades (Levi's Squad); They all die - Fights to avenge comrades (Levi's squad); He, "dies," and is taken - Fights Annie; City is destroyed - Fights Reiner and Bertholdt; Gets taken and all of the scout veterans die. Etc. Lots of the things he tried to do ended with him getting punished. So in other words, he was a slave to the story. Once he realized the truth on how he's not special, and his actions got hundreds if not thousands of people killed; because he was FORCED into this role; realizing he's basically the slave to this story, he literally breaks down and begs Historia to eat him. The reasons he did lots of the things he was punished for however, was for freedom. He literally got excited thinking about fighting and attaining freedom; seeing the sea. However, just because it's in his Nature to fight for freedom, I don't truly think he WANTS to fight. The big reason I point to this is because of Eren's reaction once he saw the future and realized that Grisha's memories were accurate. When he saw the future of him crushing his enemies, what was his reaction? Was he content? Was he ecstatic? Was he excited about that future in which he crushes his enemies? No. He was shocked! He literally got more and more depressed as he realized what was truly across the ocean; Not the dream of freedom, but the nightmarish reality that across the sea is a world that wants him and his entire homeland crushed. So having that crushing reality painted clear for him, as well as the dark future he DOESN'T actually want to pass; He just becomes depressed. And when he actually does cross the sea, home to his sworn enemies, are they all devils? Are they all monsters that Titans themselves would say, "Even I'm not that messed up."? No. He finds out that the people across the sea and people on Paradis are the same; There are good people and bad. He comes to understand them, understand their circumstances, their reasonings to fight, etc. He understands them SO much to the point that I believe he doesn't actually want to fight them. He literally cries when looking at the children's camp, as it reminds him of Mikasa, Armin and him when they were kids; He must one day kill them. If that's not what he wants though, if fighting and destroying his enemies; slaughtering 80% of the enemies across the sea isn't what he wants; what does he want? Well it's pretty obvious isn't it?, He just wants to live freely with Mikasa and his family! He wants it so badly he would fight tirelessly for it. But... the world won't allow that. Because of that, he has NO choice but to fight. He doesn't want to fight. He doesn't want to destroy Humanity. He doesn't want that hellish future to come to pass. But the world sees him and everyone he loves as devils. So he HAS to go through with that hellish plan. But the plan is HORRIBLE; Slaughters 80% of Humanity in excruciating horror, betrays his allies and forces them into the war, beats up Armin: His best friend, breaks Mikasa's heart: His love, and ultimately submits himself to a slave all for that to happen. Does that even SOUND like that's something Eren would want to fight for? NO! In fact, I think he tried to find reasons NOT to go through with the hellish future. - He went across the sea and basically allowed the world years to prove they should live. - He possibly put faith in Paradis' and that they will find an answer to the world wanting them dead. - Even while acting out his plan, he even asked Hanji, "Is there any other way? Do you have some sort of plan up your sleeve? If so, tell me!" The ultimate sign, in my honest opinion, is this; When he asks Mikasa why she truly obsesses over him, he's practically begging for a sign that he shouldn't go through with this. Have the woman he loves say she wants to be with him, and run away from this, live freely for the time he has left... But she doesn't. So he has no choice... he has to destroy Humanity in order to save everyone he loves. And due to Eren's true nature, we know that he would fight to the bitter end if it meant that everyone he loves gets a happy ending. That's my interpretation; that's why I still love Attack on Titan. I think it's a masterpiece. Even though I think it has flaws, I still enjoy it and choose to enjoy it. All that said, if you don't like Attack on Titan, that's okay. Your enjoyment is entirely up to you. No one's forcing you to enjoy anything. If you find something stupid, laugh at it; dumb fun is great! If you have unanswered questions, come up with answers; creativity is fun! If you don't like an ending, come up with your own! Nothing's stopping your imagination from going crazy; your enjoyment is entirely up to you!
No his character wasn’t ruined by the ending. It showed us in his final moments that he was still just a human who wanted to be remembered for something other than being a murderer by the one he loved the most. If people took the time to actually analyze the story instead of following the lead of others and blindly hating the ending then you’d figure out that the ending still makes sense and Eren was still the same character through and through but I’ve seen enough of this fandom to know that it’s basically impossible for it to analyze stuff and love to follow the masses and hate on Hawkins to the point of death threats and him having to apologize to keep down those threats.
Yes, Eren killed thousands of people already and yet wanted to remain humane right at the end. He pursued his conquest of freedom ruthlessly which made him a great character but his plan, and his purpose failed miserably, and ended up as a whiny wimp ass virgin in a matter of few pages. Ending sucked,
People dont realize that all the things they try to label Eren as is just specialization and theory crafting at this point. Before this chapter there were clear themes attacted to Eren that everyone could agree on that were part of Eren's character, but now shit is just everywhere. People take small lines from old interviews with Isayama and try to tie it in with this last twist and also take vague dialouge and try to convince you that this was the plan all along or smt. Lets just admit it Isayama didn't know what he really was doing in this last arc and probably jumped between endings, so things got mess and he fucked up.
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People are disappointed with the ending of AOT
Me as a massive Mass Effect and Game of Thrones fan : first time?
This is my 3rd disappointment
Mf 3,got and now Aot 😢😢😢😢
The pain is real
People are disappointed for no reason
@Daniel Jaramillo And on top of that, characters feeling underwhelming and looking like shit in their own arcs. For instance, Historia and Reiner, Historia didn't have any great importance in the final arc and Reiner looking like a weirdo for smelling Historia's note.
The Book has hope...it's the show that FUCKED
Chapter 131 revealed why Eren wanted to do the rumbling. He explicitly says that he was disappointed when he saw the outside world, and that he wanted to remake it. The whole "I dont know" part removed any meaning from that
No, you're misinterpreting it. He's talking bout the reason why he wanted to be free. People don't know why they want to be free, they just do. He was born that way. Yams is showing that Eren was drunk on freedom, a slave to it.
@Sameer Gurjar BAP 828 who's that character?
@Sameer Gurjar BAP 828 okay thanks
@Sameer Gurjar BAP 828 Nope he specifically said Eren represents his own desire to destroy things, sometimes out of necessity or sometimes just to vent anger
Tbh I would rather eren was straight up defeated instead of the whole lelouch thing
Could never pull it off as well as Lelouch though
Yeah I feels like this lelouch trope just not fit the AoT
@@ihtishamhussain1785 lelouch ending is pretty stupid let’s be honest. Look at our actually reality, if I was to start attacking every nation then they decided to unite to defeat me. Would that instantly erase racism lol. It’s literally human nature even black people united with the whites in the civil war and years down the line America still racist lol code gease probably got away with the most naive ending of them all
@@adicandra9940 fr it suited lelouch because his development was going from using his power for selfish desires to sacrificing himself for the people
@@p4kcho189 tbh, at first I wanted the Lelouch ending but even after getting it, I still feel very disappointed
Finally found someone who criticize about the way eren has been handled
You did the great job by not speaking what mass fandom wants and blindly praising the series unlike other youtubers eventhough it was pretty bad ending for most of the character
you earn my respect and one sub too
What are you talking about?
Literally thousands of people started screaming how Erens character was ruined the millisecond the leaks came out.
Well I never read leaks ,directly read the official chapter, so I don't know about leaks reactions
Also I'm specifically talking about TH-cam videos
What pisses me off rn is how bad annie is in the latest chapters. In s1, she's very nuanced. She's supposed to be a cold hearted monster but then you learn that she's just someone that's forced to do these atrocious things but then, the manga just makes her a psychopath. Why?????????? She killed a bug for no reason and then watch it got eaten by ants. In fact, she's so absorbed by that ant fest that she didn't even hear what the rest of the warriors had to say. After that, when she's out of her crystal, she said that she will do the same thing she did in the walls if it means that she can see her dad again. Also her titan ability is never explained nor was it used. HOW CAN SHE CALL PURE TITANS TO HER SIDE IF SHE DOESN'T HAVE THE FOUNDER TITAN INSIDE OF HER? HOW CAN HER CRYSTAL POWERS BE STRONGER THAN THE ARMORED TITAN, YOU KNOW, THE TITANS THAT SPECIALIZES IN HARDENING. WHAT'S THE POINT OF TELLING US IT'S ABILITIES IF SHE'S NOT GOING TO USE IT? AHHHHHHHHH
Not to mention, she's utterly useless in the finale. She legit didn't do anything at all besides doing some action scenes
I have followed this series for 8 years , and I litterally grew with eren yeager, eleven to nineteen (even have the same age at the end lol) and I read through the manga multiple times to make sure I understood everything and at least could see what where the possibilities. I liked him, how he done things because it had to be done, the notion of sacrifice, and even then he wasn't just a raw ball of determination. In his cell he needed to tell himself to continue fighting, he needed to talk to falco in liberio after everything he had seen in the marleyan army, even when he lied to zeke he partly said the truth "i could feel their blood flow in my hands", he litterally and figuratively had blood on his hand, for manipulating grisha, as being the commander asking to shoot, and litterally being the soldier shooting, cause of the memories being so realist for him. What I want to say here is that I had an emotional attachment to this guy, he wasn't defined by what he was born, an eldian, a devil, a human, but by what he lived through, he was the consequence of the hate of the world, he was the boy who saw his mother being torn appart and eaten by a titan, by something he COULDN'T control, by this cruel world.
But when I read the chapter I didn't feel anything about him but disgust, all his character was completely sacrificed for not even a good ending.
And now every beautiful scene were screwed:
- reiner conversation : empathy to torture
- ymir conversation : meaningless (like how do you screw this one up ? There's like thousand of things to do and isayama find the ending that make the f*cking miracle to make this one meaningless)
- "freedom" : it was one of the best, being at the same time the most beautiful AND horrendous of them all. In the eye of kid eren, It was this "scenery" what he ALWAYS WANTED but at the same time.... for us readers, and probably also eren adult, those weren't clouds but dust, steam of the titan and destruction, people getting ripped of their "freedom" (litteraly sainf in My War lyrics too lol). But NOW you're saying to me that's actually not what he wanted ? Seriously ? Now even that is meaningless, it was the perfect scene for him to get responsability of his action, it was the perfect way to make him pay the price by basically turning his dream into a nightmare. But now it's RUINED.
Somehow I still hope for an original ending, but at the same time I have just gave up a long time ago, when the writing of the few last chapters where critically low compared to the 131 other chapters.
Goodbye snk, pretty sure not a lot of manga in my lifetime will be able to compare to those first 131 chapters.
Spittin straight facts my guy!
Love you
@@batguy39 just tried to say what made eren my Best character of all time and what made some scene absolute genius not taking into account 139, but thanks
Well actually he made himself watch his mother being torn by a titan since the past and the future is one
I couldn't agree more... Game of Thrones ending...
I agree with what you say but it didn’t ruin his character for me , him leaving his freedom for the freedom of the eldians and his friends was just a decision he thought he would regret least and even he doesn’t know the answer to what happens after that no one knows (this was also said by Levi in season 1 and I think isayama keeping that idea in the last chapter was a good idea) he could’ve lived his 4 years of life left without any battle like what he showed to mikasa but that would’ve destroyed eldia
And seriously you think Ymir was waiting for 2000 years just to hear some words to tell her she’s not a slave? I mean it was a good moment but I’m pretty sure she needed some proof of that as well and mikasa showed her just that ,
Eren told her that she’s not a slave and stopped her from following the royal blood’s people who got the founding Titan (and zeke too) while mikasa showed her that you shouldn’t just sit down and do nothing if the person you love is doing such horrible things (she couldn’t overcome that but mikasa did and that gave her proof which she smiled upon and now rests in peace I suppose)
You could also argue that Eren gained freedom through death
eren became a plot device to his own story, if thats not a sign of bad writing then i dont know what else to say to you. All of his quotes, conviction , and core motives were all thrown out of the window because his apparently a simp for mikasa and a "slave" to a 2000 year old loli with stockholm syndrome.
🤣🤣🤣 maaan. Wtf was Isayama thinking. Smh
Glad theres more of us here who think the same way
@@KyngD469 i could bet my monthly wage that it was the editor. Not only he is a huge mikasa simp and anti historia to the point of still calling her krista, but he is the one that had been promoting the ending... isayama was showing in one video drawing it stoically with 0 passion and thats it.
@@williamconto6977 yeah, there's many clues to proof that the editor mess with the ending
@@Shori948 sources?
The thing that I hated the most about the 139 ending is Eren's character assassination.
I would have been fine with any ending as long as Eren is in character
@@__-dq9ev But he admitted he loves Mikasa and wants to be her man, she did it for her! Then Eren became a bird and still kept his promise. WOW! HOW TRAGIC, HOW BEAUTIFUL! Thank you Isayama... Perfect ending... 😍😭😭 - EreMika fan
@@jamesmccloud7535 Lmao, that's one reason to "like" it, either way ending as a whole is disappointing, Levi's last sasageyo was peak point of whole chapter
@@infamouspotato2028 the ending is not disappointing... maybe you wanted to say eren is disappointing...even if I disagree with this too
@@jamesmccloud7535 lmao you said it perfectly. I'll have to threaten Instagram and Pinterest at this point so I can stop getting recommendations of cringe ass shoujo romance posts by eremika retards that keep captioning them with "omg eren loved Mikasa all this time! 😭" like that's the main conclusion of this whole story
I'm just going to ignore the last chapter and choose to remember Eren in his prime, this way he will remain to be an amazing character to me. I still love Eren Jager as a character, last chapter was trash no one will be able to convince me that it wasn't.
Chapter 123 is the ending and 131 is the OVA
@@__-dq9ev
That's the best way to put it.
I'm thinking about that one 4chan guy who stopped reading after chapter 123......he said he didn't want to risk the story ruined for him by Eren pulling a Lelouch and getting a happy peace ending from mong and friends.....damn it!!! It should have been me not him!!!! I should have been the chosen one!!!!
Agreed
Im disappointed by how eren committed a genocide i hated whole characters for bein still on his side...i think i watch aot for levi and sasha(but sadly she died)
"I will continue to move forward, until 80% of my enemies are destroyed".
"When I found out there were men that could date Mikasa outside the walls.... I was disappointed."
"I'll keep moving forward....until Mikasa will never find another man... for at least 10 years!!!"
Just refuse to accept the ruined Eren of 139. The true Eren is the one we grew up with. He was just a victim of bad writing, he's still our king and devil
Eren was being forced to do things by Ymir if u didn't know that
@@joshballer0878 You just proved his point. Eren being a victim if bad writing lol.
Bruh what? So basically what you're saying is now that he isn't "cold Eren" his writing was thrown away?
@@qasimqureshi3289 Remember when Eren was in a stomach of a titan. One leg and arm short. Did he cry about mikasa? The only thing he was worried about while he was dissolving in acid was his goal and dream. We want that Eren back. Now you will say his character developed into a simp, right?
@@__-dq9ev That was Eren wanting to exterminate the titans. He wasn't dead and the fact that he was still alive filled him with rage from the fact that he couldn't kill a single titan. Also he knew Mikasa was gonna kill him in the end so it's not the same thing lol.
You have earned my respect. Any creator willing to talk against such a big and toxic fandom is genuinely respectable. Keep this going bro🙏🙏
Especially on a platform filled to the brim with pseudo-intellectuals that can't distinguish criticism from hate.
@@tnb4509 then criticize without hate, rarely does it happen where someone actually makes valid unbiased criticism, an it’s also rarely handled well.
@@ibrahimq981Exactly my point. Criticism is not handled well regardless of whether it's biased or not, also even if it IS done with hate, people should focus on the criticism, not just dismiss the entire argument because there's a shred of emotion involved(Which is what they usually do).
@@tnb4509 no affense, but if i made something, an someone come at me with all their shit an just shit on it, i dont think it would be the same as if someone actually took their time an made it constructive for me, i might even just not listen to them, an im sure 99 percent of us probably wouldn’t, even their valid points won’t be taken seriously at that point. Also I really only listen to unbiased opinions with actual constructive criticism an arguments i wont listen to someone just slandering an makin fun of somethin that i love just cuz i wanna hear their thoughts bout it.
@@tnb4509 Because most fans don't critique, they are just hating because their shipping with him and Historia didn't come to fruition.
The last 3 chapters have more plot holes than the rest of the series combined. I dont see why some of these other youtubers are praising the ending, maybe because they see any sort of critisism as an insult to isayama.
Name a plot hole other then Eren turning into a CT titan
@@UncleHuss1 Titans of the past helping the alliance. What did eren show grisha to give him the founding titan. What happened to the parallels between ymir and historia. How is there a parallel between ymir and mikasa if eren loves mikasa back. How did mikasa make it back to the island, it should be impossible.
@@UncleHuss1 The more i think about it, the more it doesnt make sense. How did mikasa know eren was in the mouth. I thought the founding couldnt mess with ackerman memories.
@@jasimanser3662 I knew you were gonna say this😂 my man learn the difference betweeen plot holes and unexplained events
@@jasimanser3662 what do you think the headaches were for? To me it’s pretty obvious Eren was trying to tamper her memories. And the Ackerman thing like I said is just an unexplained event
Well, it is visible that Isayama never wanted to uphold Eren as a character
Great video. It annoys me to see people unsubbing from your channel, because you make some really good and valid points - and as usual people skip over all of that and generalise the whole video as just "hate" when they haven't really even tried to be open minded to your critiques. Hope you blow up soon man the quality of vids you are making is incredible!
I have a feeling, that in a few weeks, any sort of criticism for the recent chapter will be termed and disregarded as 'hate'. Sort of like the whole situation with Mappa's CGI, but thankfully, no ones sent any death threats or harassment to Isayama yet.
Thank you.The fact that a series that explored the importance and consequences of making choices, reducing it all to predestined fate is a terrible way to end it.
Some of the comments here genuinely baffle me. I spend a whole 12 minutes being incredibly explicit about my points. Yet so many people felt inclined to dismiss them by explaining the thematic point of the ending of Eren's character. That doesn't mean anything to my point. So I'll be very clear here. Draw whatever meaning you wish from Eren's character in this chapter. What bothers me is that his character was very explicitly built up to be a certain way and Isayama doing a 180 on that as a last minute twist is very poor execution. If he was better built up to have it be this way, that'd be fine. I'd like the character less, but it wouldnt be bad writing. So, giving your essay on why this ending is thematically brilliant doesn't mean anything to my argument. I'll just take this whole deal as proof that 90% of commenters dont watch the video.
Yoy expect anyone to take you seriously when this is your attitude? You mad w a video, people are discussing with you their thoughts, can’t handle it? Then don’t make a video im the first place brother, peace.
@@ibrahimq981 Bro, did you respond to a comment that expresses annoyance at people misunderstanding the points of the video by not getting the point of the comment? Are you going out of your way to prove my point? This borders on parody
@@ZenithAniManga why does that fuckin matter? You’re mad we get it, doesn’t invalidate the people’s arguments with you, it only makes you weaker, get off your high horse an try to discuss with your brain not heart buddy.
@@ibrahimq981 Dude, what are you talking about? I am very happy to have genuine discussions with people. That cant happen if people's only way of arguing against me is arguing against stuff I didnt even say. That's all I wanted and, but apparently that bar is just too high in your opinion. I genuinely have no idea how that expectation is putting me on a high horse.
@@ZenithAniManga your way of putting it gave me that impression, other than that, I’ve got nothin to add.
Best thing to do is ignore chapter 139 and find fan-made endings or hope for the anime to have a different ending.
As if mappa is gonna do that
@@rickchakraborty2087 Not the first time an anime had a different ending from the manga. But we will have to see. It was mentioned the anime is going to be different.
@@myaparker5510
What animes have had a different ending than the manga?
Not gonna lie, 139 felt like an episode from SAO abridged... it just felt like whole different manga.
Guys just remember... ch 139 isn't canon. Not after that editor livestream the magazine did. Isayama didn't get to write the story he wanted.
source to this? I want to learn more
@@TrueEnding This is their name "shonenmagazine official". They have 130k subs. But it looks like they took the livestream down. You might be able to find it on a video archive website.
Source: Trust me bro
@@lancegustafson4190 I can't help if they deleted the live stream dude
@@eddiesam8539 I heard that the ending was rushed because the real was supposed to on April 1 where Isayama was gonna kill everyone but he changed the ending multiple times.
I was afraid you might be too generous to the series and character. But man you didn't sugar coat things and I absolutely loved it. Yes his character did a complete 180 after this chapter I don't know what to make of him anymore so it kinda ruined a very good complex mc
Yeah, I'll be nice but never dishonest on here. I dont think a chapter has ever dissapointed me like this one.
when everyone just simplifies our arguments by saying we are only mad cause "eren showed emotion" and wasn't an "edgelord" Then you know that we're right. I've never once had someone who thought this ending was good give me any reasons as to why. They just undermine everything I say, say that I only hate it cause my hEaDcAnOn didn't become true, then say it was perfect 10/10 ending i cry everytime.
Whilst I agree about the ending I see where their coming from as someone who spends time on
r/titanfolk they are exactly like that there only arguments they have are that erehisu didn't come true and that eren "isn't a chad anymore". The problem is out of all those who dislike the ending the most toxic ones are the most vocal thus they are unintentionally discrediting the rest of us and causing more problems
@@gekozilla7339 So you choose to ignore all posts on titanfolk exacly explaining why ending sucks?
Oh, you want a reason ? Fine. Read this:
I'm just going to leave this here.
I'm satisfied with the way Isayama ended Attack on Titan. The things that we needed and all the things Isayama has been building up all cultivated into this singular moment.
Such as Ymir. What was her purpose ? What did she really want ? Simple. To break free of her love for King Fritz. And of course, people took this as Isayama saying that being in a Stockholm Syndrome relationship is real love, and it really isn't that at all. In fact, in the very panel we got Eren saying this, does it look like it's supposed to be the conventional idea of love ? Of course not. The fact that Ymir chose Eren and made him go through all of this should probably show you Ymir's love for King Fritz isn't one that he is trying to paint as romantic. You cannot say Isayama didn't tell us what her whole deal was. Now, is it satisfying ? That's the subjective part. But it does make sense.
Next up; the way Eren acted in this chapter making all of his decisions worthless. Now then. Isayama has again, laid it on very, very thick as to how the AOT universe works and specifically its attitude to time and the concept of fate. Meaning that things were going to happen one way and always will. This means the claim that Eren intentionally lead Dina to eat his mother. No. He is doing what the laws of the universe demand. I think the main frustrations that come from fans with Eren is because they feel like he did all of this for nothing. On the contrary, Eren doing this has been the point of his character since Day 1. He is essentially the only one cursed to know the laws of the universe and is constantly telling himself he is free in a world where freedom doesn't exist. Eren being Ymir's pawn isn't a case of character assassination, because Eren's actions were never his own in the first place. He has always been destined to become the devil of this world. That's what so beautifully tragic about his character here. It's essentially him coming to terms with this and realising he might be able to change things, but he can make sure the people he loves are better off than him.
Another part is people are calling him a simp for Mikasa and that's all he ever was. Because of course they are. But here's the thing, Eren Jaeger is a 19 year old teen. People always projected this idea onto Eren that he was so cool and he was gonna be the coolest guy who wasn't afraid of anything. But it simply isn't Eren. He isn't this unfeeling, cold God that everyone thought he was. Yes, he puts on a good game face, I'll give you that. But it's been clear since Day 1 that Eren would never kill his friends or anything of the sort. Literally everything he has done has been for their sake and it makes his character even easier to understand than he was before. And people are saying he's a terrible MC because he dared have a breakdown of the thought of leaving everyone he has ever loved and not wanting to die ? He isn't a fucking robot. He is barely in his 20s, for fuck sake. Of course he's going to freak out.
So Eren is like a character in a videogame that has become aware of his existence. He knows what his purpose is and he knows he can't fight it. But he is going to make sure that he leaves the world better for his loved ones. That isn't character assassination. That's ALWAYS been Eren Jaeger.
Now for the state of Parardis and how apparently The Rumbling failing makes Paradis a bigger target. Here's the thing, that was addressed. But literally 80% of the global population are flattened viscera pancakes and forests and ecosystems are now salads. Who is going to attack Paradis and with what ? There is nothing that can touch Paradis for generations to come. And even with this, the island had rallied in Eren's name and are fully prepared to protect it. Like, we seen the beginnings of Paradis and what is going to happen to it and it's literally covered in devoted soldiers with rifles. If that is so soon after the Rumbling, what are they going to have in generations ? And apparently people are mad because Isayama didn't solve hatred ? Like, you had one half of people wishing for literally everyone's death and the other side for World Peace to be achieved. Did it never occur to anyone that both of these endings are incredibly predictable and also very unrealistic ? Of course the story is going to end saying it's human nature for violence to always be there and for them to fight until the end of time. And it also leaves us with the idea of peace MIGHT happen and it might not. That is literally the best possible scenario for a story like this and it saves it from either stupid extreme. The heroes who saved the world might end up reuniting with Paradis and saving it once and for all. They could also easily be killed the moment we left them. It's up to us to decide if they manage it or not. But we will never know if they betrayed their nation for nothing and all of it was for not. That shit is incredibly bittersweet and consistent with the tone. The series's phrase is literally "the world is cruel, but also beautiful." What else could you want ?
And finally, the final panel. I don't really know what to say here. It's to close Eren and Mikasa's bond once and for all with some harmless symbolism. Does that mean Mikasa hasn't developed? Hell no. The fact that Mikasa Ackerman was the one to kill Eren Jaeger is evidence enough that she has made major steps for her character. And no, her crying over him isn't character assassination either. It's literally the fact she knew this guy all her life and he had an impact on her. That isn't something that just leaves you when it comes to losing someone you love. But she is managing to live her life without Eren. She can do whatever she sets her mind to. And in the end, that's all what Eren wanted.
In conclusion, you don't have it like the ending, or Attack on Titan as a whole. But. to say that it doesn't make sense or that Isayama ruined his own manga ? I'm sorry, that just isn't the case. It might not be what you wanted, but it's what makes sense.
And Historia's baby... You know, the more I think about this, the more I think that Historia unironically got the happiest ending out of all the characters. Think about it, after having her character reach its peak at the end up Uprising, she got to rule Paradis, and when the MPs thought about forcing her into eating Zeke, she discussed the idea of her having a child. There wasn't anything spetacular about all of this and I think that's the point. She fell in love with a man who turned his life around and atoned for his shitty acts as a kid, the two fell in love and had a baby together. Now she is the ruler of Paradis, has her own daughter, so she can be the mother she never had and an actual decent guy who will support them both.
If you look back on it all, the idea that the baby HAD to be something, that it HAD to be Eren's or whatever was never severly hinted at and was entirely on the fans. Of course, some think Isayama writing Historia off to be pregnant is a disservice to her chatacter. Where I'd agrue that her charater was finished long ago, and what she got in the end of all this was the family she never had. In fact, I would go as far to say that the people who genuinely think Historia's pregnancy only matters or only exists to be boiled down to "WHO FUCKED HISTORIA?" is infinitely more mysognistic and disrespectful to her character than the pregnancy subplot itself.
This is my idea and I personally believe that this is correct. I don't there is more than one timeline. I think we there is only one and Eren has ALWAYS done this and always will do this. He never will not do this. I feel like that with this chapter, Isayama has confirmed that Snk's universe works under predeterministic laws. Just one timeline and everything that has happened will always happen.
Eren talking Grisha into murdering the Reiss family has ALWAYS happened. It happened back when we first saw it and it happened right now. It never NOT happened. Eren wasn't aware of this until Chapter 90 when he kissed Historia's hand and saw an older version of himself talking Grisha into killing the Reiss family. That's what broke him and sent him into a daze like state for 4 years. As for time travel, it's more so that Eren from the future is revisiting old memories and doing what he had always done from the beginning. As for the Attack Titan's ability to see into the future host's memories, it means that Eren has shown Grisha what happens to the Walls and what goes down. It's what motivated Grisha into murdering the Reiss family. We never originally seeing him crumble before doing it but we see it now because it was what happened. So, yeah. Eren is showing Grisha what is going to happen via the Attack Titan, which is its power unique to it.
As for time travel and pararell universes. There ARE not pararell universes or timelines. There is only one and Eren doing what he is doing has ALWAYS happened and always will. It's a pre-determined timeline. We're only just now seeing it from Eren's perspective.
The following here is straight from Google;
"A predestination paradox (also called causal loop, causality loop, and (less frequently) closed loop or closed time loop) is a paradox of time travel that is often used as a convention in science fiction. ... In layman's terms, it means this: the time traveler is in the past, which means they were in the past before."
This lined up SO well with the rules at play and what Isayama has shown to us. Eren never phsyically went back in time. He has ALWAYS been there. He is essentially a ghost. It's LIKE time travel, but in this specific case, it's not. This has always happened. And always will.
How's that for a reason ?
@@dubhbubonem6561 this is probably the best and most respectful interpretation of the ending I've ever seen, thank you
You: Says that you are right because people simplify your arguments and mock it.
Also you: Simplifies and mocks them.
Congratulations, you played yourself.
"Who even is Eren Yeager?"
Only Ymir knows.
I hate Eren now. One of the worst characters ever
Facts
They pulled the worst twist possible.... making Eren's 4 year time skip transformation and badassery pointless
Great video as always man. I think Isayama might’ve written away Erens freedom with the intention of commentary on real life, saying we are slaves to our destiny. That said, I don’t agree with it or like it but I think that could be possible.
also i really appreciate how you encourage healthy discussion it’s a great skill of yours
I think thats the part that pisses me off the most about this chapter. The idea that everything Eren fought for, his freedom, was meaningless because of something like Fate just feels wrong.
@@silverhunter4136 yeah it felt like the themes and convictions he was building in eren so beautifully were sacrificed for a lack luster ending.
It was still executed badly. Stein's Gate handled the concept of destiny (and time travel) much better.
@@silverhunter4136 Ngl its a pretty ballsy move tbh. Like imagine writing a character who has these ideals, desires, goals and motivations and all and in the end having him sacrifice it for the greater good or whatever. It makes you feel bad for Eren like how it made me feel bad for Erwin (Erwin also had to sacrifice everything of his for a small victory for humanity, one which didnt fully payoff since Levi failed to kill the Beast Titan.)
I could see what Isayama was going for, I just wished the execution was better and he didnt throw all this information at the last chapter with an epilogue.
I am well aware Erens character was kinda ruined in the last chapter but for some reason he still remains my favourite character,I'm not about to let go everything he stood for in all these chapters and I'm gonna interpret the last chapter in my own way
Can you start here then? I'd love to hear your own interpretation and see if it will improve my understanding of 139
@@jaquanmurphy4431 Eren did have a goal all along,he seeked freedom for his friends, that was his main goal,the next one was to freed ymir,he knew all the things he is doing would lead to that,that is why I'm order to freed ymir,he had to let Mikasa kill him because as he said she waited 2000 years for a person like that,a person despite in love ready to sacrifice her lover for a better good,ymir realised that and was finally free,she was no longer a slave to Karl fritz as she stopped corresponding love with slavery and also I completely sympathise with eren too when he said how messed up the paths timeline is, evrything happens at once,the future,the present so he just kept moving forward,he didn't see back and did what he had to,it was too late to have second thoughts and about the whining,it just showed me,he was afterall a 19 years old broken guy who needed love and friends,he was dead anyway,let him vent to the only best friend he had,there's a lot of things I would like to add but this is it,the last chapter just made his character even more tragic than it already was
Honestly whats crazy is iv seen fan made chapters that are the exact same just with different dialouge and some are amazing tbh
@@afreentaj3648 I have the same exact opinion as you. Not gonna lie it does seem like Eren's whole journey and motivation is pointless, and the tragedy behind AOT is that Eren is a slave to his destiny all along. So he 'saves' his friends and tries to direct his want of freedom for his friends instead.
It's not the happiest ending for Eren who's been fighting for freedom all this time, and I get why it seems lackluster to have en ending like this, but it's pretty understandable for me.
Isayama: "But wait! THERE'S MORE!!!"
Eren freeing Ymir was the best moment in the whole fucking series and then 139 comes out and it said “actually both of them were just acting during this scene”
Thanks I hate it
I was telling everyone that Eren was peak fiction and now I feel like a clown, I don’t really like his character anymore for these exact reasons
AHAHAH SAME MAN ! I was a Pro Eren for months, and now I want to kill myself
A lesson to wait until the ending to make judgement ok characters, not just overhypin the freak out of them just to be disappointed later on, L for you.
I'm almost certain isayama rushed AOT just to end it on 139 for the symbolism. It sad if this is the case.
i actually want to give some massive respect towards isayama for not being a douchebag and accepted his mistakes in the final chapter, if that was ever real.
Greatest fictional character butchered by bad writing. I refuse to believe chapter 139 is cannon
We share the same opinion
139 made Erens character way better
@@qasimqureshi3289 it's because you didn't like him for what he was before. A man fighting for his freedom and the freedom of his country, despite taking the burden of billion of deaths is way more interesting than a slave to fate.
@@whymahe8382 Interest in a character is literally subjective lmao. You might not find him Interesting but I find him way more interesting after 139. I can explain why he's better too if you give me some time
@@qasimqureshi3289 yeah you're right, it's subjective. I just found it ridiculous that Eren was a slave to fate when Isayama wrote the chaps 121-22-23 which contradict this idea. It surely because chap 139 ruins those chaps that I hate this ending
I dont mind erenxmikasa to be real, what I dont like I that there is no point in time that he really have an affection to mikasa. All it need is more coversation of each other and it will have been ok for me
All we can say is the Coordinate truly fell into the hands of the worst person possible.
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Thank you, that means a lot. No matter the numbers, it feels good to have surrounded myself with such a wonderful community.
I remember reading years ago something like an interview with Isayama where he said that Eren is a tool to move the plot. I never forgot this... I feared this ending because of it, but still decided to follow the story believing that Eren has so much potential he'll go down in history as an amazing protag. I liked Eren right from the start and waited patiently to see what will become of him. I ended up being so confused that I could barely mourn his death
Wait if ymir wasn't really free till Mikasa killed Eren then why did she betrayed the royal family(Zeke) in the first place
I've thought about Ymir a lot and all that's led me to is giving up on trying to understand her completely.
The way I saw it was that Eren freed her by showing her she can make her own choice. Mikasa freed her from her commitment (love) to the king.
@@zrosario06 who knows what's going on with her because Isayama didn't clarify much.
But your answer does make some sense
@@idontknowmyname2827 only the founder knows
the majority of the ending deffenders are like Mikasa and think that Eren is a good guy so i will leave this here
chapter 139: "i murdered four fifiths of society. I led you to kill each other on paradis. I got all of you....my precious friends...wrapped up in this battle WITHOUT EVEN KNOWING if you'd survive it"
chapter 131: "the island...it's to save eldia...but...it's more than that...
what was really beyond the walls...was nothing like the world i dreamed of....
it wasn't like the world i saw ....in armin's book..."
i feel like your community is rather wholesome, so i cant wait to read someone who liked the ending's cooment POV on this ending, in a non-toxic way
eren was the best protagonist in the history of all manga and japan related work, than isayama did eren dirty, i feel like AOT only has 138 chapters, considering how bad he fucked up the story this way, i would consider the reddit made 139 to be the true cannon, maybe or maybe not the historia eren romance, but daddy eren i really wanted
i really think isayama had a change of hearts. its kind of impossible for me to believe. i mean , we can see the incredible accuracy in writing all the plot to come to this ending. i cant even remember 1 plot hole in the entire franchise. Its just so stupid to throw away all the emotions we got from this man just to be told that it was all done for love. When he clearly had a choice , he chose to create a better future for Mikasa yet her true desire was to spend some quality time with him. It just makes no sense what he did. Even with all the destruction he did nothing really changed except there are no more titans. Hate is still looming in that 20% that survived the rumbling and all we have now is still an eldia that will be seen as "the devils kingdom" for what eren did and its just a matter of time. I do not agree with the fanbase that went appeshit for eren renouncing his freedom , we were already aware that he too became a 'slave'. We knew he was the one who killed his mother , encouraged his father to kill innocent children etc but the core principle is FOR WHAT? WHAT DID HE ARCHIVE WITH THIS ENDING? People will not forget what he did and people will still not understand its intentions. How is it possible that before chapter 139 everything made sense but now so many questions not answered. Where did the power of the titans came from , the love of a child for his rapist and slave-master? What will become of the eldians , because even with most of the continents population dead people will still hate this geocidal maniac? Has aot become such a fairy tale with that shity ending of "well shit we made a mistake on hating these guys , but its okay , even after killing all my kin and compatriots we will reconcile". Till chapter 139 i would have rated aot 20 out of 10 but with this ending , its just not worth it , it was all for a shity ending. I still love this anime and would rate it quite highly but if i was given the option to forget chapter 139 and never learn anything about it I would take it bcz i would be more satisfied with not knowing that knowing the bullshit behind it.
While i do agree with some of your points i feel like people are misunderstanding erens motivations.
1. while i do agree with your point about him choosing to make a better future for mikasa, mikasa isnt the only person he wanted to let have a long happy life. He also cared for his other friends. We know this from when eren has a conversation with all his friends about who will carry on the attack titan, he says that he doesnt want any of them to inherit the titan because he wishes for them to live as long as possible happily. While the reality where he chooses to run away with mikasa would make her happy for 4 years, she would still feel guilty due to the fact all of her and his friends are going to have to suffer for this choice. In that reality marley would invade paradis and jean, connie, levi, armin, etc would most likely pay with their lives. Eren does not want this, like i said, he wants them all to live long, happy lives.
2. Its not as if his decision to destroy 80% of humanity did nothing. In chapter 134, the marleyans state that they should bare the responsibility of creating this monster (eren) who has come from paradis to kill them in the speech that a marleyan says "we took every problem caused by our shortcomings and spat them all out onto 'island devils' and the result was the birth of that monster" and then proceeds to say "if it's possibe for us to ever have a future again, i will never make the same mistakes... i swear it". During this time we see that everyone begins to realise the acts they have partaken in by 'making use of hatred, letting it grow, and believing it would save them'. Isayama clearly establishes that if the situation where the world was to survive, that they would no longer partake in the hatred of eldians. Eren's decision also establishes that even if people were to want to destroy paradis, that they wouldn't be able to wage war due to eren's destruction. His decision also showed that the people of paradis weren't just 'island devils' who sought to destroy the world by influencing his own friends who came from and were raised on the island to kill him. He brought everyone together to destroy their common enemy. The new view of the people of paradis would no longer be tainted by the view of them being devils because of them being heroes who saved the world. He didn't just get rid of the titans, he got rid of the world where eldians were mistreated and persecuted because of the ability they had to become titans, Marleyans treated them in such a way because of fear. By removing the problem of the titans, eren removed the fear the marleyans had of eldians so that the racial mistreatment against eldians would finally come to a close.
3.The question of where titans come from IS actually explained. Titans originated from Ymir's merging with the spinal creature in the tree.
4.I agree with your view on ymir's 'love' for the king, though Stockholm syndrome does exist.
5.You stated that 'people will still hate this genocidal manic', that is the point. Eren painted himself out to be the villain and played this role well by murdering 80% of the population. He made himself the villain so that people would hate him, so that the future children of the rest of the world would see him as a villain, and in order for this to not be repeated they would be taught that something like this can never happen again through the education system that would teach them on how a 'monster' like him came to exist and that it wasnt the fact he was from paradis but was because of the racial injustice of his people. I see this would be the most likely way of eren being taught outside of paradis because of how the current education system teaches students about Hitler and how a monster like him was able to become who he was, and how germany teaches their students these topics with the view of 'we cant let something like this ever happen again'. To clarify I'm not suggesting eren is a character like Hitler, I am suggesting that this is the way the education systems in the world of attack on titan would go about teaching their future about these topics with real world evidence.
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@@HiitsGyose1024 I am sorry am gonna be a little confusing but i want to look at these respones not in order.
Firts , your point number 3 , my question was where did the being come from and why specifically those powers. The creature in the tree was independent therefore its destruction seemed unrealistic. The being that gave power to ymir instantly vanished without any trace , that's what the problem seemed to that plot. For someone so technical like isayama giving such incredible detail but not exactly where did these titan powers come from. I understand how ymir got the powers and spread it and so on , the point is this being itself , what is it and how did it come to be?
Point number 4 , Stockholm syndrom is very different from what you think or atleast what i assume you think about it. As far as i know , stockholm syndrome happens when the perpetrator generates a feeling of understanding towards its victims. Lets take mikasa for example , she loved eren even though he made her suffer in many instances but she never forgot what he meant to her. But king fritz never brought any meaning or purpose in the suffering ymir faces. Its not like king fritz showed her a vision worth being slave of , he used her in horrendous ways and not only , she was convicted of being a slave to him to the point of following his wishes for 2000 years (or almost infinity in the paths). The thing is that she followed HIM and his wishes not what he stood for. (king fritz wanted eldia to be dominant yet she followed orders of every other king , so she felt loyal to the person not the idea. The sympathy in stockholm syndrome that derives come from understand of the perpetrators idea and withstanding suffering for its achievement).
Point number 1 and 2 and 5 , What about sashas death? I understand the future that he wanted his friends to have but my question is not if his intends were pure but its achievement. Lets thing logically here and i like that you mentioned hitler (not in an ironically war, its a very good point). So with eren dead we see a Paradis island untouched and 80% of the continents population dead. Now we see how the marlayn military point of view but we dont see what the 20% generally things. Families , children , cultures that did not support marley (gypsies as such) will 100% feel an enormous hate for such a being but you say that because eldian fighters stoped him they would be named heros and peace would be established. In 1943 , Operation Valkyrie was an initiative to assassinate hitler. Although unsuccessful this did not change the worlds perspective of the germans. We know perfectly that the Wehrmacht was also just an army and its officials were not all nazis (rommel , gudarian etc). Even to this day , many people who supported the nazis (yeagarists in this metaphor ) or the germans that fought hitler (eldians against eren) are almost indistinguishable. What I am trying to say is that in a "logical and realistic world" people will not see only eren as the devil , but also those who helped him become who he was. Is nobody gonna question these people that clearly helped eren in the attack in liberio that killed so many innocent. If you put yourself in the shoes of 1 of the survivors of erens rumbling you would almost 100% hate eldians because Eren clearly said that the reasoning for its attack was for the well being of its people (Eldians). If Eren used only 100 titans to rumble he would probably archive something even better than what he did because he would allow its people to live in peace for decades but in the scenario eren created , immense hate would be fueled. Fear of being a minority might make them reluctant to do anything about it but people tend to blame easily a group of people to escape their suffering ( nazis to the jews). The biggest assumption that we made is that erens resolve would be accepted by the survivors as a mistake of theirs to create this monster but thats not how human mind works. The first thing any survivor would say is , WHAT DID I DO TO YOU? WHY ME AND WHY HIS WISH TO SAVE ITS PEOPLE PREVAIL OVER MY WISH TO SAVE MINE? thats where quest for power comes in and struggle resumes. Marlayns didn't treat eldians like shit out of fear but for unification because eldians were not a problem for them as titans were not roaming around but in the contrary were being used by themselves. Hate for the eldians was a necessity to unify non eldias. About the happiness about his friends , wouldn't this be a better resolve. Eren killing all non eldians and deleting all their memories of such an event and then removing the titan powers? Their friends will maybe be seen as heroes but for some , also the ones that attacked liberio and helped eren gain his founding powers. To end this because i actually typed too much , my problem is what did this resolve archived and in my opinion it only gives time to paradis, making life for his loved ones not necessarily better , making the world not free of hate and also . People will not forget and usually never forgive. Please take my response with a grain of salt but i am trying to look at it logically. In my opinion i dont see a resolve but a delay. ( remember jews were not titans in real life but still were hated from the world , people dont need just fear to hate or dehumanize , all they need is a purpose [such as unity or political interests] and then differentiate [ color of the skin or race].
@@shkodra1505 I'll drop in with just a couple of points.
I think that the point of the ending is exactly showing that there never are easy answers. That in a world without literal man-eating monsters we still find fear, hate, disagreements and war. We still come up with ways to protect ouselves and subdue our enemies or at the very least keep them at bay. That is the point. That's part of human nature which we, as humanity, try to fight and grow out of.
As for Eren... he becomes a god-like being. Just like Ymir. But he is free as in - he chooses what he does, while she did not. She didn't believe that she could - that she can be free and that you can love someone and at the same time let them go. Eren gains almost timeless perspective. In a world where people hate each other, find scapegoats, wage war - the usual, real ugly stuff. And all this world at some point would come for his home, for his friends. What does one do wit it with a god-like destructive power in one's reach?
As for the time travel which is not time travel... I don't think that the founding titan power undermines Eren's character progression at all. We know that he doesn't have acces to it's full power initially and only later gains the insight. As he says, he's in the past, the now and the future all at once. But if so he is the hopeful child and bitter adult at the same time, he's still himself, he chooses that one future because that's who he is. He creates the very person he is. He is a world destroying monster and a child that saw his mother being eaten. The past had happened because the future Eren lived it, so it happens. So at the same time he is free to do what he thinks is right yet at the same time he is a slave to the human nature.
He will kill all his enemies - for his friends to be safe. He will not take away their freedom - because he cares for them, and thus he fails to create a world where they would be safe. But he creates one with a more even playing field.
And of course people will judge! They will look at soldiers and say "You killers!", but that's why it's all left unsaid. It's all yet to happen and will get better if this generation of leaders learnt from the previous one's mistakes. If they can become better. If people around them listen to reason and compassion, if they will be willing to forgive and try to build better future. After all the man-eating monsters are gone. There is only humanity left.
Generally I think that most story telling in SnK is cleverly written, with the uncovering of more and more secrets, changing perpectives, questioning people's motives. The progress from "I'll kill you all" to "We're all the same" is brilliant! And concusion that while we're alike we still will kill each other. BUT that message is very straight forward. We see this world view change, we realise all those things along with the character who SAY IT OUT LOUD FOR US. It's not implied. It's stated.
And the last chapter is more complicated than that. It changes Eren from a very compelling protagonists into a personified metaphor. Of humanity's primal animalistic instincs and the desire to be more, to represent more than that. And that it's not so simple. That it never is simple.
@@calinissetehtarello4126 i am not disagreeing with anything here except for the future part , eren can manipulate the past and hes the one who directed Dina Fritz to not kill berthold when she had the chance but go straight for his mother. This is something even scientists cant explain , the who was before , the egg or the chicken question. Time travel in the core essence is filled with paradoxes so we cant really say for certain. Now i really understand the way you explained what you think should be important and taken into consideration and i sympathize with that , but it just isn't enough t. In its core essence , its not fulfilling and does not justify what was done. First the means , second the results and third its necessity and existence in the first place. Noone predicted Eren to do what he did or become the man he did become , its just that the build up to it was so close to perfect that the end seems unconceivable. We are used to oda hitting us with twists and surprises , but this one didnt seem like a twist but more like a forced ending for the viewers. I belive to most of the audience , its just not good enough.
@@shkodra1505 Ahhh.. I might be the odd one here, true :D I'm intto leaving a bit of "soft magic", a bit of unexplainable so maybe that's why I'm more forgiving.
I admit that I'm myself not convinced if the feeling of emptiness of "humanity is doomed to repeat it's mistakes" was actually planned by Isayama :D So I totally get that people are disapointed.
Thanks for a civil talk
Eren motives constantly changing and the sometimes radically jumps in logic in his motives fit with the constant tone/perspective jumping of the story's direction. which makes me wonder if that Eren motives at any point is to justify story or the story braking to justify Erens motive. great video
In my opinion it would be better if Eren saw a Minor change in the future he saw and just freaked the fuck out (by someone dying that should still alive for example) and ending with something like “I could not live being a slave to destiny knowing We could fight against it” then he stops the humbling
Why. Just why. SO much was built up and to throw it away just becaue "hehehehe we tricked everyone and created a massive plot twist. Such deep writers." it jsut pisses me off, I tried for 2 years to watch aot (i was so stupid i forgot crunchy roll accounts existed) And this is what I'm introduced too?
I wished they made use of something life mind control and the lore of who gave ymir her powers. I know that war isnt always about happy endings. But cant we just get one for once.
People who say they liked the ending are lying, change my mind
Well, they are trying to look for everything that proves this ending doesn't have plot holes, and creates interpretations of the story based on nothing.
The ending is poorly done, Isayama didn't even know what he did, but people still try to defend him. I'm so sad
To answer your question YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES!
I have A question
How would you have created the character?
@@filthjonkey7339 do you think this chapter did his character justice?
@@sonwalrez2842
Of course not
In fact they threw their development overboard
@@filthjonkey7339 exactly, but at least aot no requiem is a thing. That’s the canon ending for me.
@@sonwalrez2842
By the way
That doesn't answer my question, which I asked earlier.
Eren is what isayama said, a Slave to the story
Hey....
I hate when time travel is involved in anything that affects the story being told. It means that every character has no choice in their actions. Everything predetermined in their story.
There story when time travel is good
Eren Jeager. The absolute fumble of a character.
I would honestly somewhat agree with you about Eren's character. Isayama did say Eren was a slave to the story. I definitely don't think he was completely ruined, but the ending definitely robbed his spot as favorite anime character. Im pretty sure Lelouch or Guts are my favorite characters of all time, and now I feel like now Zeke, Reiner, and Levi are probably tied for my favorite character in AOT. Good job as always! :)
Reiner was second favorite for me, in terms of AoT characters so he pushed his way to the top now, for me. Damn though, I dont know who my favorite overall character is now. I'd need to think about that.
Throughout the series, we see Eren's infatuation with moving forward with his goals (whether it was pre-memories (unconsciously, rage-filled), or post memories (subconsciously, with nihilism))
Both of these are incorrect. Notice how, even with him getting his memories, nothing changed at all. He still sought to "move forward". His external reality changed, but his mindset was the same.
In ch. 139 in paths, he accepts reality wholeheartedly. And what do we see? A place of nothing. No walls. Nothing but infinite potential. THAT IS TRUE FREEDOM. He had finally became conscious of his reality, and that reality can move forward, without him pushing it forward. Eren's acceptance of reality was done phenomenally, and him embracing his vulnerability in paths (shown by him crying) shows that he
doesn't have to be "stoic" to be free.
Reason why series’s is low-key ruined : Incel eren. Ymir was in the paths for 2000 years making titans to terrorise the world all this time , because she was in love with her slave master. Ymir the founder who was meant to seek freedom entered the story said nothing Ymir left the story offscreen said nothing. Eren historia uprising relationship went in the bin . Historia asked eren about having a child because why not. Historia lied about her date of conception because why not. Eren followed historia and the farmer into the barn because why not. Zeke mentions mikisa loving him and eren thinks of historia but I’m supposed to believe eren is in love with mikisa. Real reason why eren was doing this before become a simp
Memed pigeon: Eren said I wanted this , I will not gamble paridise future. Only way to put an end to the cycle of hate is to bury those animals deep underground . What would my mum think when I kill these animals. I took Freedon away from the world in order to gain my own. I was born this way . If someone steals ppl freedom I won’t hesitate To take theirs . If we kill everyone beyond these walls will we be free. When I found out humanity lived beyond the walls I was so disappointed. I will keep moving forward until I kill my enemies . Ill gladly give up my life but I refuse to sacrifice historia (bear in mind that’s all he would say after the timeskip)Tatakae .The rumbling will not stop it will crush everyone and lands beyond paridise . Eren also said in season 1 a powerful enemy will not make humanity units . Serie ruined: Turns out eren acc killed his mum because it wasn’t Bertholdt time to die alright. Now eren doesn’t really know why he did the rumbling he forgot. Eren saying to historia your the girl who saved me that day the worst girl in the world was a lie it’s acc mikisa who saved him. The unkiliable worm disappeared. Eren now gambled paridise .one of the greatest chapters in aot history when eren and zeke is in the paths and with pure willpower eren rips out of the chains and frees Ymir while she’s running because he understood her and she was waiting 2000 years for someone like him, this chapters are now jokes as mikisa the main character was acc the one who saved Ymir not eren. The final panel of a man holding his child surpassing his father saying you are free was a lie now instead we got a pigeon holding some dirty ass scarf that’s never been washed. Eren has now been reduced to a clown sister loving simps out of nowhere ,who can’t really temenber why he killed 80 percent of humanity and won’t let his stepsister mikisa move on . He has also gambled paridise future as there is now titans to protect them now further more the alliance have now admitted it thr cycle of hate won’t end until one side is completely wiped out. What this chapter has done is ruin the entire series and eren historia Ymir grisha who had absolutely no right to call eren free because he was still living in walls
Wait, i remember you from one of the EreHisu videos 😂
wait... i remember you, you're from erehisu videos that makes eren have a child with historia am i right?
@@keyboardwarrior3807 Fck, exposed bruh 😂
@@michaeldesanta7746 BRUH
I'd rather choose Mikasa Over historia... Mikasa is the best girl... historia had ver ARC lol keep crying
Alright so, i actually think the way things played out *wasn't* what Eren planned all along, in a sense. At least, it's not the plan he would've chosen if it were solely up to him. Like Eren said, he would've completed the rumbling and killed everyone if nobody had stopped him, that was his plan. That was his personal goal and that's the way we've known him leading up to the final chapter. However, he also wanted to give his loved ones the freedom to stop him if that's what they wanted. And since he knew in advance that they *would* succeed in stopping him, he took their actions into account and altered his plan accordingly, setting everything up so they would be hailed as heroes. He went along with his friends' plan at the expense of his personal goal, because he values their freedom more than anything. Eren's character wasn't changed in the last chapter, his goals were still as we had come to expect, it's just that he abandoned them for the sake of everyone else.
agree 100%
Yes. His character was overly assassinated after the marley arc. Seems like they need to rush it and plot hole after plot hole is seen up to the ending
And people thought Naruto’s character was assassinated in the war arc
Tbh I dont even agree that the war arc assassinated Naruto's character
@@ZenithAniManga Well, then Boruto certainly did.
@@tnb4509 ain't that the truth
He wasn’t but it literally sucks how he worked so hard for everything and been training his ass off so hard to get respect and acknowledged by the village only for him to be the reincarnation of Jesus. So that literally throws all that hard work away
@@Lee-ew6pr It also sucks how in his fight with Neji, he kept talking about how there's no such thing as 'destiny' only to be revealed as the guy destined to be the child of prophecy, the reincarnation of some of the greatest shinobi, and the 9 tails jinchuriki. The show kept trying to tell us Neji's philosophy was untrue, but Naruto's mere existance proves it. And then the hypocritical brat pretends 'hard work beats being gifted' when Rock Lee, an ordinary guy who worked hard just got destroyed by the more gifted Gaara(a Jinchuriki).
8:48 Oh come on! It's right there in the panel. Eren is literally thinking about Grisha telling him that he is free, because he was born into this world as you said. The I don't know line is Eren expressing doubt, having second thoughts. Because He's just killed millions and clearly feels a great amount of remorse over it. This memory takes place directly after chapter 131 when Eren started the rumbling. Even those with the grandest of plans will have a moment of doubt and uncertainty when they actually go through with it, this was one of the most humanizing moments for his character. As you point out, the reader already knows why Eren did this, he's stated it again and again, so he doesn't have to here.
This is a visual medium, what we're shown carry's more weight than what is stated, and we're shown in that panel exactly what Eren was thinking about.
Edit: 12:00
This is not the Eren who fought for freedom no matter what? Really? I don't see that at all, he literally sacrificed is own life and commited atrocities that crushed for the freedom of his friends and homeland. The Eldians are now free from the Titans as a result of his actions. This is very much still the Eren that fought for freedom no matter the cost.
My God, finally someone Who really get the meaning of those scenes. I didn't like much the ending, i Still think AnR was the perfect ending, but with Eren and Ymir characters fandom really went Crazy and couldn't think anymore. I still see people upset cause Eren said that he loves his Friends ,while he said It about 3/4 more times in these last 50 chapters. Or that "why Eren Is apologizing if he didn't destroy all the world", really? Yeah he didn't anything horrible right? He Just killed 80% humanity, so he Isnt a Monster as we thought. Really guys, Just re-read last arcs.
I am incredibly pissed that people can't even fucking understand the character of Eren just because in the end he wasn't the edgy person that just wanted the mass genocide
The final chapter did not ruin the character of Eren but completed him, he showed himself vulnerable to his friends because they were the people he cared so much of and he knows this is the last time he will ever talk to them
He showed them his real reasons because he couldn't handle anymore this incredible weight of his actions thus why he said he doesn't know anymore because everything he went through is messing up with his head and he doesn't want to have to commit massive genocide he regrets it but he couldn't find any other way to save the people he loved and stopping a possible inifinite war with the world
His intentions to be everyone's martyr are made completely clear when when on the plane to stop him his friends strted thinking that he could use the power of the founding titan to stop them in an overpowering way but he doesn't because he wants to be stopped he doesn't want to do this and to drag his friends into this but he can't find any other way but to sacrifice his own freedom and commit atrocities to give it to the people that he loved
He lied to Zeke he lied to the world but when talking to Reiner he didn't lie nor when talking to Yimir he just wished things could've ended differently and that the entire world wasn't against them
Also the last chapter gives the scene where Eren yells Hange in the cell if she got another way to do this has an even deeper meaning because after years and years of careful thinking he couldn't find it and he desperatly wants another way he doesn't want to do what he saw in Historia's hand
Eren is the most human character and my favorite along Reiner and i hate how people completely misinterpreted the character and really thouht that the last chapter ruined him when it didn't
@@Cicosbruh I guess that just means he cares more about Reiner, Annie and even Gabi more than he does about Hange.
Literally any one of them could have died during the rumbling by taking Hange's place. If he truly just wanted to be a Matyr there wouldn't be a need to put up that much of a fight against the alliance given that there aren't any outside "witnesses" to observe that fight. All parties involved in that fight were made aware of his true intentions at the end of the rumbling, so he's not fooling anyone by making a believable effort.
Re-contextualizing the goal of his actions to saving his "loved ones" rather than just ensuring the survival of Eldia makes no sense given the resistance he put up. His choice to not just stop them via memory alteration is consistent with his obsession with freedom and isn't a "absolute indication" of his intention to be stopped.
Now you might say that they were never at risk given that he knew the outcome, but even directly after his death his friends were at the mercy of the Marleyeans, whether or not they would be spared was outside the timeline of his future vision. Furthermore the Yeagerists, a faction Eren started, is logically going to be hostile to his loved ones given how they stopped the rumbling.
To retroactively state that his plan included the goal of "saving his loved ones" is just laughable, given that all his actions actively out them in danger. While he *might* have removed the threat of immenent death via the world war, he actively introduced unnecessary threats to them in the process of his plan.
@@LeCatization that's where you're wrong, he put up such a fight putting his friends in danger because if he simply stopped or went easy on them to avoid them dying then they would not have been credible heroes and he wouldn't have been successful at his sacrifice or be successful as portraying himself as someone they should stop, he wanted to be seen as an absolute evil going hard expecially on those who he was the closest with because he wasnted them to hate him so that they would be able to kill him without regrets or be able to not keep him dear to his heart after the atrocities he would've committed even if they failed to stop him or stayed in the island
He did use the memory alternation on them he used the power to talk to them and he chose to delete those memories because if he didn't then they would be still hesitating or regretting this whole mission that was the whole thing in the last chapter they all regained their memories and Eren spoke to them truthfully to his heart because he knew he was going to die and he knew that was the last time he could speak to them and he tells them that he is sorry for dragging them to this and he doesn't know what would happen later but he knows that they at least would end up being the heroes of the world, and he entrusted Armin this new world he believes that he will be able to save what's left of it because of his pacifistic views and his strategical and diplomatic skills and this is why Eren told him to take the title of killing him despite being Mikasa the one that killed Eren, because he wanted to leave mikasa alone from any responsabilities and entrust them to his best friend, and if Armin was the savior of the world then he would be listened by everyone because he saved everyone
And as you saw in the end they all were going to Paradis to talk to the Yeagerists to stop another possible war
He knew all of this but what he didn't know was if in the end it was going to work but out of all the alternatives this was the best out of the other presented to him for him and he trusted his friends to be able to make it
There's many speculations on the child Eren psyche or wether he was influenced by Yimir in some ways or not or he simply ended up losing his mind because he suddently gained the powers of a god and just like the Reiss family that changed him so this is why in some panels you see him being acutally gruesome when trampling the people calling them animals but the line where he was disappointed that the were people outside the walls was truthful because it just ended up making the enemies bigger and their freedom even more limited and what he sae on historia's hand even more painful
Since he couldn't find any ways because he couldn't accept to simply let his country and friends die or having to keep being in a endless war he wanted to end this cycle forever and he desperatly tried to look at any possible ways for him but couldn't find any and decided to do as the future shown to him
In the end Eren wasn't free you could say he's a slave of freedom and sacrificied his to allow his friends to have it even if that meant sacrificing the whole world with him
@@Cicosbruh Yeah, going hard on them makes sense if there were people witnessing the fight. But apart from maybe some Marleyeans bystanders, no one except the alliance (who now know Eren's intentions regardless) know about that fight on the founding titan (where he summoned all the past 9 titans).
What's the point of putting up a fight to convince the world that he was an absolute evil, when there is no one of importance to witness that fight? The rest of the world will only know about Armin's efforts through word of mouth, so whether or not he put up that fight is pointless. He becomes an absolute evil just by commiting the genocide, the resistance that he put up against his friends add nothing to that, it's not like it was broadcast or anything. Even the Marleyeans who were the closest had no idea what was going on.
Honestly, do you really think people who have no idea about the limits of the founding titans power would be questioning why Eren didn't summon past titans to stop them, or why the collosal titans slowed down to let their plane escape (so Hange didn't have to sacrifice themselves)? Simply scaling the founding titan and killing Eren would have been more than enough to be heroes.
Also, just because he puts trust in Armin's negotiating skills doesn't explain why he created the Yeagerists to be hostile towards his friends. Instead of a neccesary evil, the Yeagerist were made to actively glorify the rumbling. It's one thing to trust his friends to make things work, and it's another thing to create a faction now in charge of Eldia's military that wants to harm them.
I am so happy here people agree the ending was bad when i clicked the vid i thought i would see a dislike bar bigger than darth vaders lightsaber lmao but people here actually have valid arguements and agree
THIS MAN IS NOT EREN JAEGER
HE IS ELLEN YEAGER
@@Irwansyah-zd9ei :(.. I had him in my top 10 characters.. once upon a time
@@tanvirhasan4912 I remember said that eren is better mc than guts, lelouch or luffy before this silly chapter 139 came out now I feel stupid for comparing him to those goat isayama is really his manga pillar
i would have prefered that eren had the intention of wiping everything but gave a chance, freedom to stop them, instead of idk paralizing with the control he has over eldians
@Linus Chen said this and I found it very interesting. Tell me yall's opinions
I’ve already told others this but I think in a odd sense chapter 139’s imperfections are actually what made it fitting of Aot. Here’s my take on the ending. Yes the ending has it’s flaws and issues but I think that’s the point the ending is supposed to be disappointing. I think Isayama wanted the ending to confound us and leave us saying “what the hell?!?” This show has always been a commentary and allegory for the flaws of humanity and it’s nature. Ultimately I think it stays true to the theme by showing that no matter what we do true freedom is simply unattainable. I don’t think Eren being a clueless slave to fate was outta nowhere. Call me arrogant but I think it was pretty obvious that Eren was a unwilling slave to fate since the time travel reveal. Even his founding titan design is a hint at this, he’s literally being strung up and hanged by strings like a puppet does that look free to you? (It’s also a reference to the Norse god Odin when he hanged himself on a tree and sacrificed a eye for enlightenment. Aot has a lot of Norse symbolism) Not to mention there’s a pretty reasonable explanation for Eren’s behavior and that he developed multiple personality disorder or a extreme fictional version of bipolar disorder. This hypothesis is not without basis either, Eren was shown to have always been screwed up in the head since childhood he killed two men without remorse so likely a form of anti-social personality disorder. Couple that with repeated trauma and excessive stress in his adolescence it was only a matter of time before his mental state snapped. I guess ultimately it’s like Kenny Ackerman once said “everyone’s a slave to something”. I think that’s the point the ending wasn’t supposed to be satisfying, the cycle of violence wasn’t broken and history will only repeat itself. I don’t even think Eren could’ve succeeded in completing the rumbling. As far as I can piece together from the little explanation and exposition we got it looks like time travel in Aot works fairly deterministically. (Eren says time in path exists all at once and we saw Eren try to deny his visions by seeing the accuracy of them) That’s the tragedy of Eren Yeager, he wanted freedom and free will but you can’t exactly have that when you know what’s gonna happen anyways. Eren even denied this fact and kept trying to convince himself he was free but the moment Sasha died that was the breaking point. Eren asking Mikasa what she was to him and her answer really wasn’t that important it’s the implications of her answer. Eren didn’t start the rumbling cause he was “friend zoned” it was cause if Mikasa had answered differently it would’ve meant Eren’s visions of the future are just possibilities but since she answered exactly as he saw that proved to him he really was trapped and that he had no freedom. Even the fact that Eren could only kill 80% of the world is more proof of this. If he could’ve just killed a few more people that’d be enough to prove to himself he really was free but alas he couldn’t even do that. Eren was always a flawed character I think the fault was with us, we idolize and got attached to Eren when we shouldn’t of. Isayama wrote Eren not as a noble character but one driven by his wrath, rage, fear and obsession. Look I’m not to happy with the ending, I originally hated it and even went as far as to rant about it online but at the end of the day the end is the end and I think we should move on. A far better use of our time and energy would be to analyze this story and it’s themes.
I'm actually super down for the "freedom is unattainable" angle for the story. I had a script for a video with that exact title that I'd make if I ended up liking the ending before the chapter even came out. Although I really dont like that hes a slave to fate. Back in season 3, we have Kenny's philosophy that "everyone is a slave to something" and that was a really nuanced part of the series. In terms of Eren, the big assumption was that he was ironically a slave to the concept of freedom that drove him forward. That's really interesting and something I loved about his character. Compared to that, fate being the explanation feels very lazy and lacking in nuance. If Isayama was going to take the route that said Eren was never free, I would have liked it to have been because of psychology, not because of some outside mystical force.
Wow! I've come to some very similar conclusions as I wrote in a commet "Generally I think that most story telling in SnK is cleverly written, with the uncovering of more and more secrets, changing perpectives, questioning people's motives. The progress from "I'll kill you all" to "We're all the same" is brilliant! And concusion that while we're alike we still will kill each other. BUT that message is very straight forward. We see this world view change, we realise all those things along with the character who SAY IT OUT LOUD FOR US. It's not implied. It's stated.
And the last chapter is more complicated than that. It changes Eren from a very compelling protagonists into a personified metaphor. Of humanity's primal animalistic instincs and the desire to be more, to represent more than that. And that it's not so simple. That it never is simple."
And I totally agree with Zenith's point that it probably would be better if the plot point of Eren never being free was psychological, not mystical, but... that would mean that the titans in attack on titan were not needed at all. And I can forgive that one not perfectly executed metaphor for years, and years of great story. And an amazing spectacle we get in anime! It's just... there are so many stories dealing with human nature, and most are a lot more boring than SnK. So I'll take titans and less than ideal conclsion to the fantastical part of the story and be happy with an engaging moralistic story ending with hopelessness and hopefulness at the same time.
Eren is still awesome in my eyes. Mass killing of 80% of everyone is not justifiable whatsoever. Still, the fact that he saw a future where the power of the Titans can be ended with the cost of 80% of people losing their lives, is something to consider. His vision after touching Historia changed him cause he literally saw all of that (stated by Armin in the final chapter). If he didn’t go through with it, wars and the hate toward Paradis would still continue (the world would essentially look like the volcanic place Eren brought Armin to). Him seeing a foreseeable future by causing his friends to get so overwhelmed of him killing 80%, that they would resort to feeling the need to stop him, is the reason why there is no titan power and no more death after the 80%. He harbored all of that, to bring peace, and to entrust humanity to Armin and everyone else. He draws similarities with the end result to that of itachi, and similar to Jesus (well not really but low key same idea kinda).
Yeah, but he failed. After he killed 80% of the population, in a few hundred year, paradis was wiped out. Take a big look at the last panel.
First of all it has never been said nor implied that Eren wants "world peace". He wanted his loved ones to have a future, not more and not less. Second Eren telling Ymir that she can decide doesn't lose meaning at all and your own argument doesn't even add up. If Mikasa was the one who freed her by actions she hadn't even done yet and Eren played no role in it the story would have been over after chapter 122. So what was the meaning behind this scene? Mikasa showed Ymir that even if you love someone as much as she did that doesn't mean you blindly follow that person, that person's desires, that person's wishes. Ymir has only been obeying orders but Eren telling her that she can choose made her "act on her own." She acts on her own but not out of her true own intentions, she still loves King Fritz. So she acts as someone who loves him would act, following his wish, his desire. There is a difference between merely obeying orders or acting out of following someone's wish. So yes she is not free yet, but that doesn't make it lose meaning, he still said the truth and without Ymir "acting on her own" and lending him her power they never end up in a situation where Mikasa opposes Eren's actions to the point of killing him, which is the ultimate opposition - To kill and stop the one that you love who acts with the intention to save you, your friends and your home. Another thing people seem to overlook when they talk about how he was only a "slave to destiny", is that right before he kissed Historia's hand, what made him see the future, he even said "If giving my life would change something, I would willingly give it". What a coincidence that the man who sees a future of him sacrificing himself for his friends right after he said he would sacrifice himself. And yes besides saving his friends he also achieves the extinction of titans. Titans were a fundamental problem in the world of AoT, but not the only one problem. As even Yelena says "For what we must abhor is not the titans power but rather the weakness of allowing onseself to be consumed by that power". AoT never showed that Eldians, a race capable of becoming titans and having immense power, was the only problem in this world, but it showed that it was a fundamental one which always lead to conflicts either because of not trusting eldians or by eldians abusing their power. So of course the world left behind isn't an idealistic one, because AoT showed that there are other conflicts and there will be new conflicts, what we need is action. Action by trying to understand one another instead of fighting each other. There are obviously more things that could be said, but that's already a damn paragraph so I leave it at that.
Many of the video said was about his interpretation about eren post timeskip, his motives, etc. But that's not the whole eren
I completely agree!
On me I don’t understand how so many people didn’t see that he was putting on a act and we would get a code geass ending because it was obvious to me and I only read the manga after the anime ended and I don’t have any problems with the ending and even those I have watch like 10 videos of people explaining why they think it’s bad I just don’t see it to me is a 8/10 maybe 7/10 for a 10/10 show.
Really? Obvious? An act underneath his act to go along with Zeke's plan? I dont see how that is obvious at all when we get multiple moments of great characterization that would only be ruined by it being an act. It would only be obvious if you had zero faith in the writer, which was apparently the right move
@@ZenithAniManga Yh after I watch the table scene I started to think he was putting on a act and even talk to my friends about it whenthe episode came out and we all agreed and after the anime finish and I read the manga I only started to believe that more after the scene with eren and the little boi that he was going to kill TBH nothing surprised me except for him declaring his love for Mikasa and the only thing I really hated was the whole historia thing.
@@ZenithAniManga and I was never a big eren fan so that could have affected the way I saw the chapter
@@lexis788 literally everyone knew the table scene was an act. I don't even know what your point is. At that point, he was still pretending to go along with the eithanization plan. Most people caught on that was a lie. I'm talking about his convictions to the rumbling.
@@ZenithAniManga Yh but wouldn’t the scene with the kid in like chapter 130 something tell u he wasn’t fully committed to do it because it did that for me and if am not mistaken that was a 1 ago form the current story.
no
after actually watching your video I think you might be right about Eren's character being assassinated but I also like the idea of Eren being nothing more than a plot device since it ironically goes against everything he stands for.
What the hell are you smoking, you saying those inner monologues in chapter 131 was him lying to himself?
I feel like what the ending does is take away the human aspect Eren always had (simply a boy who was born in the cruel world of AoT and experienced suffering along with getting his hands on power) and replace it forcefully with an artificial hero of salvation for all. That change makes him different from other human characters like Zeke, Kenny and especially Reiner, who Eren was a perfect foil to until 139. Eren was better as Eren and not cheap copy of Lelouch.
also ymir having stocolm syndrome was messed up
I think what pisses me off the most is this 1 chapter turned from a character to a plot point just like you said. I look at a character like Shulk (Xenoblade) and how he sees his future and fate but chooses to opose it to create his own fate and freedom for him and his people. Yet Eren just follows every single thing he is told to do which tbh is irony but it also spits in the face of who Eren was in chapters 1 to 138
I mean its not like Eren didnt try changing his future. The 4 year time skip was him having hope that he finds a new solution, continuously relying on Hange on finding something but nothing. All other plans were unsatisfactory for him and he had no choice but to go with this one.
People saying this series is a flawless masterpiece, having only watched the anime are in for a rude awakening if they don’t change the ending.
I’d say it probably was but maybe you can change my mind or something, but I’ll comment more when I’m done 👨🏾💻. Guess you’re not changing my mind guess we’ll just be sad from the switch up together my friend
Yeah... it's an ending that's gotten worse the more I think about it, for me
@@ZenithAniManga got on a long call with my brother 2 days ago and as we talked and went through the story we came to the same conclusion, none of it really fits well together. It kinda feels like you got all the puzzle pieces and now you needa cut or shave them down to make them fit now, and I don’t like that
I had the same experience. Every time I talked about it with someone, we just ended up finding new things that didnt quite fit.
Do you think Mappa will do an anime original ending and what do you think will be in the additional pages for the final chapter?
I heavily doubt we'll get an anime-only ending. That never happens to a series' benefit. I really dont know what the extra pages are gonna be. I dont think this is an ending that is improved by adding more. I guess I'd like to see some more of what's happening with the main cast in their daily lives though. That felt very skimmed over. Or some explanation on the founding Titan because that got convoluted towards the end. I dont know what else I could want at this point.
Totally agree with you. I was amazed by the amount of freaks on the internet that even justify this. Thank you
I do agree with the fact that the character was devoided of meaning, all his philosophy, all his motives, all his revolutions, it was all taken away, honestly I have my own headcanon about how the story ended and though I respect Ysayama for the amazing work I didi I am convinced that he screwed up
Ever since Levi was blown because zeke pulled the string, I stopped caring.
That to me was bad writing, that's not how you end an awesome character like levi.
I was so hyped for a full on final battle. Idc if levi died, I just wanted to see him avenge erwin
What are you talking about? Levi isn't dead.. Do you read Rumbling Arc? He survive and even present at the final battle.. He is one of the only character who get the best payoff compare to other characters. As an Eren stan, I'm jealous of how well his character conclusion is written.
@@Villagerwarrior
Hes disabled.
@@WeyardWiz
Contrary to popular belief, being disabled isn’t the end of the world lol
@@WeyardWiz Just because he is disabled, doesn't mean he end right there.. Even as a crippled, he manage to fullfil his promise to Erwin. Even as a crippled, he still manage to survive army of titan shifter and save Connie. He also help Mikasa when fighting Eren. Not just that, he able to meet all his fallen comrade for one last time. I rather have a crippled character getting best attention and satisfying payoff compare to a character who get a half assed conclusion or characters assassination last minute (looking at you, Reiner and Eren).
@@Villagerwarrior
Levi had a bittersweet conclusion but still I wanted him to kills Zeke in a 1:1 battle. Not get blown like he did
Look, I read a shitton of stories. And I felt it coming. You know when you're reading a series and more and more things keep happening, the action keeps rising, so many things happening it's *great*. But then you also see the book is running thin and there's only a few pages left and there are still so many questions left unanswered... by chapter 138 I KNEW they were gonna fucked up. One chapter was in no way going to wrap up the story nicely. I spent a whole month worrying and trying to convince myself that Isayama was somehow going to make it a great ending, because he's Isayama. Look at what he's done to Eren.
Well... I convinced myself for nothing. I went back and reread the whole manga and I can pinpoint 2 critical moments that from a literary perspective are not the best to take.
1. Changing POVs late in the series. I understand why Isayama changed POVs: to make the plottwist of Eren's true intentions the climax of the series. However, in my personal opinion, he didn't have to do it. Why do we usually watch a series? Because of the characters. And for 3 seasons we followed Eren through his character journey. How he lost everything when the titans broke into the walls, how he joined the survey corps, how he learned he was a titan, how he accepted his titan powers in order to fight, how he had to go through many obstacles to get to the basement. Attack on Titan IS the story about Eren. So having a POV change right when we were entering the height of the series was a bad call. Can you imagine the emotional turmoil us as readers would have gone through had we stayed with Eren's POV? Us going hand in hand as Eren explores the outside world and learns first hand what is like to be a subject of Ymir? How his hope of the outside world turns grim as his view of it shatters little by little? How slowly but surely the hate he has for the perpetrators and the ones in charge spreads to the ordinary merleyans that also share that view further cementing his resolve to go through the rumbling for everyone? BUT also how he struggles to come to terms with such a decision because just as he meets bad people, he also meets good people that despite being the "enemy" show Eren that they truly are just humans being played just like they were played by King Fritz? THAT would've been amazing. We would've savor the true journey of Eren coming to terms with doing something so radical, that we as readers know is just wrong but also would be cheering for him because we *get* where he's coming from. A moral torture for the readers!
2. The introduction of a fixed timeline. Look, I will say it straight, most of the times, time travelling/ manipulation is just lazy writing. Now I'm not saying it cannot be something great, there are some stories that have done a great job about it, BUT the theme of it is at the center of the story. In Attack on Titan? Not at all. AoT is a story about a boy fighting for freedom no matter what cost. So why on earth would Isayama introduce a set timeliness, depriving everyone of their freedom and their right to choose? Specially for the main character that since season 1 has *forced* his way to achieve what he wants at all costs? Someone... please make it make sense.
Had Isayama giving us a story where Eren is solely responsibly for his own actions in pursuit of freedom and not because the events are set in stone and MUST happen no matter what is just such a HUGE let down for me.
Also I will add an additional point:
Bonus point: Show not tell. Chapter 139 was just Eren telling us everything. I mean... really? The heart of every fantastic scene in AoT so far has been because we were shown what was happening and experienced it for ourselves. Remember when Reiner and Bertholdt revealed who they were? We were shown, we experienced that scene alongside Eren which is what makes it that memorable. Chapter 131 when Eren breaks down crying in front of the kid? Why is that that scene has such an emotional impact? Because we know exactly what is at stake, and we are shown first hand for the very first time what Eren truly feels. But chapter 139? The whole chapter was just a conversation and flashbacks. Nope. This actually ties nicely to my point #1, because only by showing and not telling (following Eren's POV through the most important decision he will ever make) can we get a truly emotional experience for an ending.
Don't worry dude
Us real ones know this is nothing but true
The ending precisely pleased the shit side of the fandom
Wait I’m confused on how it pleased the shit side of the fandom. Just because some like the ending makes them shit? I’m at a loss here. Like said in the video, it’s subjective. I for one, don’t think Eren’s whole character was assassinated by this ending. The only part that I’m kinda irked me was when it was revealed that he sent his Dina to kill his mom, which even then due to fan scans or official translation can be interpreted as Ymir doing it and him being unable to do anything. So does me thinking that make me apart of the shit side of the fandom, just because I have a different opinion?
I meant the annoying mfs who defend the chapter like it's their girlfriend. They pretend others are speed readers.
There's nuance, no problem in liking some aspects. Criticism for both sides should be welcomed
@@batguy39 That’s true and I can agree. I personally think the ending is satisfying sitting at a 7.5/10, but I still have things that confused me or that I felt off about in this chapter so I can agree with some of the complaints people have and can also disagree with them as well
vegeta would understand
@@batguy39 They're just in denial phase I guess
Seriously eren is just getting worst to worst
He was always a bad character.
I honestly don't think Eren's character was ruined by this chapter. Instead it answered all the questions like "Why did Eren turn on all his friends in season 4?"
If you remember, Eren's titan power had messed with his head for so many years because the memories exist in the past, present, and future all at once. And everything happening was inevitable and all he could do was watch it happen.
And, like Eren Kruger, he had to do some lie and hurt his people in order to free them. So what you would call hypocritical, was just a means to an end.
So, Eren not having a character development is a good writing? Him being just a plot device is a good writing?
@@rorosami3707 How exactly does Eren have no character development?
Have you even been paying attention to the story all these years or is this your first time hearing about it?
It's easier to justify Hitler actions than Earn's actions
oh is it now
@@bubblyboba8679 is killing 80% of mankind and doom the future of your country just so some of your friends who managed to survive live a long life (even if there was actually better lesscosty ways to do that ) justified?
What a waste of a potential protagonist. Eren is, was and will be one of my favorite protagonist, especially when he was portrayed as the most ordinary not so intense and relatable character. He was not so special or gifted. It hurts to see him taking fate to be an answer for who always believed in change and freedom despite being on a level below Levi, Armin, Mikasa. Pulling a Lelouch or Itachi is all cool but when you massacre in the name of fate unlike those prior characters. Mixed emotions to see Eren character development into something so out of place. I have been a fan of all those grey shaded anime characters but Eren gave an immense mental tangle. Also there was no point in routing for so many characters who stood upfront to bring change like Historia, Levi and Hanji who was experimenting on titans and stuff, Armin being the intelligent being among the squad who was way ahead of everyone. Things blew pasT over the head ultimately cutting down everything to Ymir's obsession as curse, and so many people suffering over it for past 2000 years for that and Eren pulling a King Fritz even though he didn't know the ending. There was no way around for any of the built-up suspense, plot and character development could get any justice.
Yeah he saved the future generation. Eren made me feel like he is right, he may be right, he is great, he has plans, he flipped for good, he lost it, he will still pull it off, he has no plans, he is fated to die, he is still good, he is bad, he died.
It was like locked up in a room without light, water, food, air and among vicious humans for months only to find out that the door was never locked in the first place.
PS: Armin was the only character who remained true to his nature even after his character development. Everyone else were either flipped, dead or made weak and detached for the sake of plot. Love form a true AOT/SNK fan.
A poor man's Lelouch
facts only
I don’t count the last chapter as part of my head cannon.
EX-FUCKING-CATLY, only spitting fax in this video.
Is it possible that some things Eren didn't know until he actually reached the paths? Such as finding out what truly led to his mother's death and also who Ymir was truly waiting for?
That's entirely possible, but that leads more into what I think is a problem of ambiguity. The story leaves a lot of the details about how the paths work and how much control/knowledge he had very open-ended. And while I see a lot of people praise that ambiguity, I cant help but see it as more convoluted and frustrating.
@@ZenithAniManga yeah I couldn't agree more. I really hope someday Hajime Isayama just comes out and explains his intentions with the final chapter and answers all the questions that left its readers so lost and confused
What happened to eren character ark what happens to his acceptance his fate and destiny to transform to surrendering it his fate without fighting the same thing that defines him fighting against oppression isiyma literally take what defines his protagonist and flip it for no fucking reason and gave us one of the worst interpretation of eren that could ever exist and it’s stupid some people defend that saying that his character ark ends with him became slave to his destiny or fighting for freedom but even if that was right if he is the real eren he would expect that not surrendering to it
also how did eren get the dream in ch 1 and wtf was the point of falco's dream in s4
I can only disagree with you for that. I think this chapter actually fully ended eren's character developpement. I mean until this chapter Eren was a complex character but simple in his motivations. In this chapter eren is a few moment before dying and we can actually get into his deep mind and feelings. He was fragile all along and this chapter doesn't remove all his actions.
His conversation with Ymir still remains the same, she needed him to do that in order to realise that she can choose whatever she wanted. The fact that we don't know what made Mikasa in order for Ymir to change is just so perfect. She's free, Eren freed her from slavery so Mikasa can free her from her love.
In my opinion it's such a good ending.
Pure trash just like chapter 139
game of thrones of anime
Eren went from a GOAT to a litteral goat
_wheeze_
Literal bird*
Eren in the end became a simp for a girl that he never showed love interest
I liked it
It was a reminder that after all the characters of aot where ideal people created to be liked by the creator but imperfect humans has we are.
For everyone saying Eren in 139 is contradictory
1-it's wanted, 1 time is an error, everything is wanted
2-when he say freedom and kill them all it's kid Eren talking, the real one ia sleeping
So what I am saying is that eren is a sh**ass and I like the character because of this. Before for me he was the classic psycho no he is even more messed up
I don’t think Eren’s character was destroyed by 139 but I can see why some people do. I just hope the anime keeps the ending but improves it at the very minimum. My ideal ending is Eren destroying the world and his friends and then being the only one left on the Earth.
What I want to happen is for Eren to be tortured in the same way that Loki from Norse mythology was tortured.
Too BASED
Honestly, I thought a lot of people had my interpretation of Eren's actions, and desires; so I was shocked when I found out a lot of people HATED the ending and think it ruins Eren's character.
My interpretation is this; Eren was the slave to the story but eventually found freedom.
However, when he finally gained that freedom, he chose to do something he truly didn't want to do; Keep being a slave in order to grant everyone he loves freedom.
In seasons 1-3, any meaningful action he really took ended in punishment.
- Trying to avenge comrades; gets himself killed
- Tells a court to put their faith in him; Gets the shit kicked out of him and forced to live under the supervision of his executioners (Levi's Squad)
- Trusts his comrades (Levi's Squad); They all die
- Fights to avenge comrades (Levi's squad); He, "dies," and is taken
- Fights Annie; City is destroyed
- Fights Reiner and Bertholdt; Gets taken and all of the scout veterans die.
Etc.
Lots of the things he tried to do ended with him getting punished. So in other words, he was a slave to the story. Once he realized the truth on how he's not special, and his actions got hundreds if not thousands of people killed; because he was FORCED into this role; realizing he's basically the slave to this story, he literally breaks down and begs Historia to eat him.
The reasons he did lots of the things he was punished for however, was for freedom. He literally got excited thinking about fighting and attaining freedom; seeing the sea. However, just because it's in his Nature to fight for freedom, I don't truly think he WANTS to fight.
The big reason I point to this is because of Eren's reaction once he saw the future and realized that Grisha's memories were accurate.
When he saw the future of him crushing his enemies, what was his reaction? Was he content? Was he ecstatic? Was he excited about that future in which he crushes his enemies?
No. He was shocked!
He literally got more and more depressed as he realized what was truly across the ocean; Not the dream of freedom, but the nightmarish reality that across the sea is a world that wants him and his entire homeland crushed.
So having that crushing reality painted clear for him, as well as the dark future he DOESN'T actually want to pass; He just becomes depressed.
And when he actually does cross the sea, home to his sworn enemies, are they all devils? Are they all monsters that Titans themselves would say, "Even I'm not that messed up."?
No. He finds out that the people across the sea and people on Paradis are the same; There are good people and bad. He comes to understand them, understand their circumstances, their reasonings to fight, etc.
He understands them SO much to the point that I believe he doesn't actually want to fight them.
He literally cries when looking at the children's camp, as it reminds him of Mikasa, Armin and him when they were kids; He must one day kill them.
If that's not what he wants though, if fighting and destroying his enemies; slaughtering 80% of the enemies across the sea isn't what he wants; what does he want? Well it's pretty obvious isn't it?, He just wants to live freely with Mikasa and his family! He wants it so badly he would fight tirelessly for it.
But... the world won't allow that. Because of that, he has NO choice but to fight.
He doesn't want to fight. He doesn't want to destroy Humanity. He doesn't want that hellish future to come to pass. But the world sees him and everyone he loves as devils. So he HAS to go through with that hellish plan.
But the plan is HORRIBLE; Slaughters 80% of Humanity in excruciating horror, betrays his allies and forces them into the war, beats up Armin: His best friend, breaks Mikasa's heart: His love, and ultimately submits himself to a slave all for that to happen.
Does that even SOUND like that's something Eren would want to fight for? NO!
In fact, I think he tried to find reasons NOT to go through with the hellish future.
- He went across the sea and basically allowed the world years to prove they should live.
- He possibly put faith in Paradis' and that they will find an answer to the world wanting them dead.
- Even while acting out his plan, he even asked Hanji, "Is there any other way? Do you have some sort of plan up your sleeve? If so, tell me!"
The ultimate sign, in my honest opinion, is this; When he asks Mikasa why she truly obsesses over him, he's practically begging for a sign that he shouldn't go through with this. Have the woman he loves say she wants to be with him, and run away from this, live freely for the time he has left... But she doesn't.
So he has no choice... he has to destroy Humanity in order to save everyone he loves. And due to Eren's true nature, we know that he would fight to the bitter end if it meant that everyone he loves gets a happy ending.
That's my interpretation; that's why I still love Attack on Titan. I think it's a masterpiece. Even though I think it has flaws, I still enjoy it and choose to enjoy it.
All that said, if you don't like Attack on Titan, that's okay. Your enjoyment is entirely up to you. No one's forcing you to enjoy anything.
If you find something stupid, laugh at it; dumb fun is great!
If you have unanswered questions, come up with answers; creativity is fun!
If you don't like an ending, come up with your own!
Nothing's stopping your imagination from going crazy; your enjoyment is entirely up to you!
Game of Thrones ending...
No his character wasn’t ruined by the ending. It showed us in his final moments that he was still just a human who wanted to be remembered for something other than being a murderer by the one he loved the most. If people took the time to actually analyze the story instead of following the lead of others and blindly hating the ending then you’d figure out that the ending still makes sense and Eren was still the same character through and through but I’ve seen enough of this fandom to know that it’s basically impossible for it to analyze stuff and love to follow the masses and hate on Hawkins to the point of death threats and him having to apologize to keep down those threats.
Yes, Eren killed thousands of people already and yet wanted to remain humane right at the end. He pursued his conquest of freedom ruthlessly which made him a great character but his plan, and his purpose failed miserably, and ended up as a whiny wimp ass virgin in a matter of few pages. Ending sucked,
Eren=trash.
No.
@@Alvacka97 yes he is. Utter Failure
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Yes, Yes it is
@@filthjonkey7339 Nope. th-cam.com/video/H6GmVCD7cxk/w-d-xo.html
People dont realize that all the things they try to label Eren as is just specialization and theory crafting at this point. Before this chapter there were clear themes attacted to Eren that everyone could agree on that were part of Eren's character, but now shit is just everywhere. People take small lines from old interviews with Isayama and try to tie it in with this last twist and also take vague dialouge and try to convince you that this was the plan all along or smt. Lets just admit it Isayama didn't know what he really was doing in this last arc and probably jumped between endings, so things got mess and he fucked up.
Yea
I learned my lesson and it's
Never ever have faith in shonen endings