I bought my 4Runner TRD Pro for MSRP in Iowa the Dealer does not do markups. FYI Lime Rush grows on you. I bought it for a Hunting Truck and tow my fishing boat. I have had it a year and I am liking it my first Toyota coming out of full sized trucks. Buy what you like and can afford, and everyone likes something different.
Agreed, often folks say they save $8-10k going with the ORP, but there are some features the PRO has that they leave out-like upgraded audio system, dual auto climate control, auto on/off headlights, and home link. Additionally, with the PRO one would also save on time and labor costs having to install the mods (which is expensive here in NA). I think the value proposition between ORP and TRD Pro is a lot closer than folks make it out to be. To me ORP seems ideal for modders and those who don't use it as a daily driver, while TRD Pro suits non-modders who use it daily. Coming from a 2015 Lexus RX350, I didn't want to sacrifice those few amenities that the TRD Pro provides.
Get the Trd pro always if you can find and get.It’s been the best resale values after a few years. Pro is the best by far and gets the best resale values even with high miles. I have had 4 and never lose of you take care of.
Only differences between the pro and TPE or TRDOR is suspension and the special colors that doesn’t get put on the following year for diff models. Ex. Inferno
I disagree with this. Assuming you’re in 7-8K more than an OR Premium, the resale values between the Pro and the OR Premium are largely within that delta. The ORP is arguably the best buy.
The pro depreciates too. Good luck finding one without a huge $7k mark up. Don't like sunroofs or dual zone AC. The JBL system is nice. Auto headlights are nice. At MSRP I'm sure it's a fair, but still more expensive, trim. With markups, it's definitely not worth it. The ORP is IMO the best value. 8k less MSRP no mark ups
Three days ago I bought my brand new 2024 TRD Pro here in North Carolina for only $1000 more over the MSRP, with 4 miles on the ODO. With all the accessories it had from the factory/port I paid $59,000 total. So in other states is not so bad to buy a TRD Pro.
This video is timely. After weighing all sorts of options (including TRD pro and GX460), I went with a TRD ORP with KDSS, then I spent about $5k on suspension/tires/wheels upgrades, and she's a beast! I've never been more in love with a vehicle.
When you sell it nobody will give you much extra money for your upgrades, that money is gone.....a pro will hold value better...and nobody cares about " oh, this is better than pro"
Good analysis. The One Major difference AND benefit of buying the TRD PRO with those add-ons is that they're designed, assembled, and built by Toyota. By the Japanese themselves (ie superior engineers, superior quality controls) AND its under Manufacture Warranty. It is always better to have the Japanese/Toyota build-out your 4Runner for a little extra $$, rather than going to a middle America mom-n-pop mechanic to build out your stock 4Runner. Would you rather eat sushi at an Italian owned restaurant OR would you rather pay $20 more to eat the same sushi at a Japanese owned restaurant?
TRD pro is nice, lots of positives. But Toyota and Fox don't sell rebuild kits for the suspension. So that means you have to buy another set of shocks or wait to get the suspension back from Fox. Sending the Fox suspension to Fox takes weeks. Also any competent shop can add new suspension to a 4runner, you don't need to worry about it not being done properly. Just make sure you do your research and pick the best suspension for you. The Fox TRD pro susoension is good, but with no rebuild kit available, also overall quality is decent but you can better for the money spent.
I got an SR 5 premium. I did not find the need for the off road or pro options. Debated between off road trim and sr5 premium, went with the SR 5 premium.
I have owned several 4Runners over 35 years. I recently purchased a TRD Off Road Premium w/ KDSS before the Gen 5's are relegated to history. It is the best value for your money and best bang for your buck. Good advice in your video. I do miss the manual transmission of my Gen1 4Runner. But the A750F auto in the current 4Runner is absolutely bullet proof. My .02.
Great video series - you should have waaaay more views👀👀!! Limited for on road safety in Snow, Ice, Rain - can’t beat full time 4WD. Limited still works well for moderate off road👍
Im in the market right now for a 4Runner also its sad for me that I have to sell my GR Supra cause im starting a family but it’s the right decision I done alot of research also watch your videos really do help and I am going with the off road premium with kdss option I feel like its the best for the value
In my personal opinion (for what that's worth), I think if you can get the TRD Pro for MSRP it's the best option for value. Not only because it comes with a $3,000 suspension, CRAWL control and Rear Locker, but the resale value compared to any other trim is exceptionally high (Especially if you get one of the ~750 color of the year ones). I mean, even 2-3 year old TRD Pro 4Runners are still at or above their original MSRP. Furthermore, I think that with the huge MSRP increases low end trims like the SR5 and TRD Off Road are broken. SR5's are like $47K now... Which is insane as a few years ago they were about $36K.
@@oaouda if you can get a TRD PRO at MSRP, you’re talking about a relatively small gap in $$ for the huge difference in trim levels that a PRO provides.
People that buy 4 runners usually don’t look to sale them. They buy it because they like to customize it and have it last long term. The other trims actually come with CRAWL and rear lockers. That’s not unique to the PRO trim. The mechanicals are not different from the Off Road trim. Like he discusses, if you were a true off roader, then you would need more and do more to the 4runner than the PRO trim offers. You’d be spending less too in aftermarket costs. And the PRO roof rack is a joke.
I need this. Love how you broke it down for me. I was in the market to get a 4 runner but with so many models and knowing not that many updates on the car. I was definitely stressing out especially with the high prices on the use market.
I bought my ‘22 4x4 SR5 new for $40k OTD through a military program. Ironman4x4 Stage 2 lift, 18x9 Enkei wheels, TRD Pro front grill, bumper garnishes, skid plate and spent about $7k. It’s still a TRD Faux but it looks amazing.
This is so awesome thanks for this man! Unbelievable that Toyota does this these days. Back in the day you had 2 or 3 versions with options and that was it!
Thanks for the recent over view of prices this year. I went to my local Toyota dealer recently and their selling sr5's with the trd pro rims for like 50k . i think ill have to wait for the car market to die down. I rememeber when the trd pro was 55k ish at the dealers.
The Barcelona red Venture that pops up on the screen during the Venture section is my actual trade in at Grieco Toyota in EP Rhode Island!!! I traded it in for a 2023 TRD PRO in August of this year! I put a TRD Pro grill on it that went with the trade 22001 miles, too funny!
I actually got my 24 ORP with 360 camera for no extra charge. Dealer didn’t even know it had it on there when it just came off the truck. It was about $750 more than one ORP without. It never had 360 degree camera on the dealer sticker and the car salesman knew I “robbed” them of the extra markup they would’ve liked to give me lmao
Every 4runner is selling for good money right now, even the 4th gens are around 10k or more for a good one. I just bought a 2013 SR5 with 160k miles for 16k. All the TRDs had too many miles or they wanted way too much IMO. Even the 2014s were all at or above 20k. I was forced into the used car market and with the prices being ridiculous no matter what you buy, I figured I'd buy one of the most reliable vehicles there is. I do plan on offroading and doing all my own upgrades. I am impressed all around with this rig so far. Best purchase I've made in a long time.
I was looking for a TRD Pro last month and could not find one unless I wanted to pay 64k which was a 10k premium. I ended up getting the TRD Off Road Premium with the Kdds. I like it and with all the “TRD Pro” extras it was still 10k less than the pro.
I bought a 2024 TRD Off Road that the dealer had installed Mickey Thompson Baja Boss AT tires, and TRD Pro wheels. I didn't know that much about the different trim levels at the time, and there were very few choices at the time. All in all the OR was probably the best choice for me, but I would have bought an ORP if I knew then what I know now. I went with Katzkin leather heated seats and Bilstein 8122/8100 suspension, and ended up with a great rig for my needs. I don't miss anything the Premium trim would have added.
An aspect of ownership not mentioned in your review is resale. I think a relatively stock spec Pro would hold its value well compared to a one off upgraded version. Ad in the fact that the factory only makes about 1000 of them a year makes them a shade on the rare side. People pay for that. And, oh ya, your factory warranty will remain intact. Just another way of looking at things!😊
Thanks so much! I’m buying in the next 6 months and considering a 4Runner over a truck. There are so many options, but my instinct was pointing me towards the Off-road Premium…but that TRD Pro is really sick😂
Good series. Confirmed my choice of 2 GX 470 (one lifted for the forest roads and one with kdss for city rides) total cost of 30k beat any trim of 5gen 4 runner. Next on the list is 4th gen runner with the v8.
Great information! 100% agree and I bought an ORP and will upgrade it to make it personal. Day one it lost the stock rims and car tires. Went to TRD rims and BFG’s. Next upgrade….. 🧐
I have been considering the 4Runner v Lexus GX. What are viewer's thoughts on the GX needing premium gas therefore adding to the long term cost for the GX?
Have a limited now and on the list for a pro as I live off miles of CO dirt roads. Love my limited, though. I want to go back to fully mechanical 4w option, like my beloved 1st gen tundra.
Ita a shame that only the limited and TRD Pro come with automatic climate control. I just want a TRD OR with automatic climate. Once you have autoclimate its hard to go back.
Which badging specifically? The unique Toyota grille is super easy to replace in the aftermarket. The letters that say TRD pro on the side of the vehicle, I’ve never seen that modification yet but I’m sure you can
@@johnwebb2232 not the TRD Pro logo - couldn't care less about that. I mean just the "Toyota" logo spelled out instead of the Toyota logo itself on the front grill.
from SR5/TRD Off Road etc, its a very easy DIY to change front grille from Toyota Emblem to TOYOTA letters grille. From Limited though it's a tougher project but there are many videos of folks that's also done it
I purchased a 2023 SR54 wheel drive with third row seat. It is Barcelona red with a Toyota "blackout package." The dealership raped me without lube on the price, but I love the truck Negatives are very small third row seats (I only occasionally use them). I keep them folded down most of the time. Also, the body DOES roll on tight curves. An inexperienced driver could loose control if he is used to non truck vehicles. The gas milage is horrible and the fuel tank is smallish. I only can count on 450 miles per tank (way too few miles). The cloth seats will eventually rip, but I will get seat covers some day. I intend to keep it until I die. The turbo 4's and 6's will never last as long. I love the room (cargo and first two rows), and I love the color. Overall, worth the rape I got at the dealership. They will never build cars that will last this long in my lifetime.😢
Would consider Limited with KDSS, Lexus-ish and AWD through inclement weather, while still retaining some of its off road roots, “just in case.” But the older GX is equally compelling.
I have decided to wait for the new set up. The new 4Runner will probably come with the 2.4 L turbo and 8 speed transmission, which is much more economic and has a little more power. Toyota is betting their reliability moat in this engine, personally I don’t think they would wish to rock the boat and have Korean companies take over market share unless they were sure of the set up doing well. I want to be able to drive it in slushy and wet terrain so to me AWD all the time is important, and the new Land Cruiser base price is comparable to the all time 4WD, so again I don’t see a compelling reason for buying current gen 4Runner.
I have a '23 Pro. It's not worth the extra cost. I could have paid an extra $3k and just gotten a Lexus GX460. If I were to go back in time, I'd get a Off-Road standard. Not even a premium.
@@thesilveremir Seriously. an off-road is the same engine, same transmission and same manual transfer case. All the add-ons like -moonroof, don't use, and it will eventually leak. - Fox suspension, cool but not vital. Special exhaust, also cool but not important. -"leather TRD" seats, even though I like cloth better anyway. -Rims, color match front and rear bumper, tires, Pro floormats, etc, etc, all small and unimportant details. As f right now, it will hold it's value slightly better than other trims just because it's a TRD Pro.
@@Doomzdayxx what you are saying is what inspired me to make these videos. I know someone that bought the TRD off road and they don’t know what a locking rear differential is.
@@thesilveremir I'm glad you made it to, it gives people something to think about. Though I did know this before buying my 4runner, I do feel like I should have settled for something that Id like just as much but pay over $10K less for. I'm not poor, I work hard, but I'm not wealthy either. Hopefully that person you know intends to take it off-road at least once in a while and grows to appreciate the 4WD system and rear lockers. Anyway, thanks for making the videos!
SR5's are great and with the many quality aftermarket support companies out there you can build a rig that will take you just about anywhere for less $$$ than what you would spend on a TRD Pro
I would not buy the 5th Gen 4runner ... either. Add cat back exhaust,.... that's the only thing I can see now that tis a good add ... untilbtheb6th Gen comes out. But if it's hybrid. I will pass unless the start stop can be turned off.
Because nobody wants anything 2018 and later, because of all the stupid TSS software, lane assist, emergency braking. It's terrible. Direct fuel injection is also terrible. Everyone wants pre-2018. They are going used for a lot more than the new ones.
Also, I just got a 2017 4Runner TRD Pro with 11,300 miles, all taxes and dealer fees, etc through Carmax.. out the door final price.. $52,500. Imaculate, white, no paint chips, no work done on it.
Completely agree, all the digital nanny features are awful. I have a 2016 and I don’t know if we will ever get rid of it, even if we end up getting a new SUV the 4Runner will live on
@@thesilveremir 2022s and 2023s are going to $35k-$38k, because noone wants them. But this 2017 went for $52k out the door. Of course I keep hearing "you're paying too much!", yet, i'm getting a much better vehicle with fewer unnecessary, garbage features with only 11,300 miles and no recalls or issues. I will likely never sell this thing. They're basically begging me to buy a newer model. I just don't want it. Short story.. Mercedes has the emergency braking, etc all the nanny features, and i'm a professional driver. I escort millionaires and billionaires around. We nearly got rear-ended twice now due to the sensors picking up oil and spots in the road, thinking it was debris/hazard, and slammed on the brakes with someone following close behind us. Completed takes over steering, braking, and all functions. The cars behind you likely don't have those features and will cause you to get violently rear-ended. Not only is it not safe, it's no effective, and it cannot make important decisions that humans can make. We've gotten by fine for 100+ years, we don't need it. Just more wasted money and lack of control.
@@StraitD2 thanks for that input didn’t know about how the emergency breaking does stuff like that. I’ll keep that in mind when buying my next vehicle. I’ll probably end up going used just to avoid it
@@thesilveremir Just two weeks ago, I found out I have to take my Principle's high end Mercedes in for a recall that just surfaced for this software that tracks potential hazards in the road and obstacle avoidance for this exact issue. About a month ago, the car picked up a dark spot in the road doing 50 mph, thought it was a hazard, and it slammed on brakes and swerved. Took over all controls and braking. It stopped so violently, it locked up both of our seatbelts and nearly caused the client to have a heart attack. A service pickup behind us locked up his brakes and had to swerve the opposite direction we did to avoid rear-ending us, all because the software "thought" we were going to hit a small object in the road. I knew it was just s blemish in the road and it was fine. It's done this a dozen times in the past 1 year. Now, it almost gives you anxiety driving the damn thing. Not worth the $137,000 price.
I bought my 4Runner TRD Pro for MSRP in Iowa the Dealer does not do markups. FYI Lime Rush grows on you. I bought it for a Hunting Truck and tow my fishing boat. I have had it a year and I am liking it my first Toyota coming out of full sized trucks.
Buy what you like and can afford, and everyone likes something different.
How much did you pay?
@@OscarRamos-ql4io
Just what the sticker said no market rate adjustment.
It was around 55
Love the hate for TRD PRO. I have owned multiple and still drive one.
The best trim for many reasons.
Agreed, often folks say they save $8-10k going with the ORP, but there are some features the PRO has that they leave out-like upgraded audio system, dual auto climate control, auto on/off headlights, and home link. Additionally, with the PRO one would also save on time and labor costs having to install the mods (which is expensive here in NA). I think the value proposition between ORP and TRD Pro is a lot closer than folks make it out to be. To me ORP seems ideal for modders and those who don't use it as a daily driver, while TRD Pro suits non-modders who use it daily. Coming from a 2015 Lexus RX350, I didn't want to sacrifice those few amenities that the TRD Pro provides.
Get the Trd pro always if you can find and get.It’s been the best resale values after a few years. Pro is the best by far and gets the best resale values even with high miles. I have had 4 and never lose of you take care of.
I agree with this, and you get the JBL/360 camera/etc.
Only differences between the pro and TPE or TRDOR is suspension and the special colors that doesn’t get put on the following year for diff models. Ex. Inferno
I disagree with this. Assuming you’re in 7-8K more than an OR Premium, the resale values between the Pro and the OR Premium are largely within that delta. The ORP is arguably the best buy.
The pro depreciates too.
Good luck finding one without a huge $7k mark up.
Don't like sunroofs or dual zone AC.
The JBL system is nice.
Auto headlights are nice.
At MSRP I'm sure it's a fair, but still more expensive, trim. With markups, it's definitely not worth it.
The ORP is IMO the best value. 8k less MSRP no mark ups
@@Zenergistgot mine MSRP and shopped 4 dealerships and none of them had mark ups. Most markups I’ve seen are in places you’d expect them,ie CA and CO
Three days ago I bought my brand new 2024 TRD Pro here in North Carolina for only $1000 more over the MSRP, with 4 miles on the ODO. With all the accessories it had from the factory/port I paid $59,000 total. So in other states is not so bad to buy a TRD Pro.
This video is timely. After weighing all sorts of options (including TRD pro and GX460), I went with a TRD ORP with KDSS, then I spent about $5k on suspension/tires/wheels upgrades, and she's a beast! I've never been more in love with a vehicle.
That’s awesome!
Keep it forever!😎
When you sell it nobody will give you much extra money for your upgrades, that money is gone.....a pro will hold value better...and nobody cares about " oh, this is better than pro"
Good analysis. The One Major difference AND benefit of buying the TRD PRO with those add-ons is that they're designed, assembled, and built by Toyota. By the Japanese themselves (ie superior engineers, superior quality controls) AND its under Manufacture Warranty.
It is always better to have the Japanese/Toyota build-out your 4Runner for a little extra $$, rather than going to a middle America mom-n-pop mechanic to build out your stock 4Runner.
Would you rather eat sushi at an Italian owned restaurant OR would you rather pay $20 more to eat the same sushi at a Japanese owned restaurant?
TRD pro is nice, lots of positives. But Toyota and Fox don't sell rebuild kits for the suspension. So that means you have to buy another set of shocks or wait to get the suspension back from Fox. Sending the Fox suspension to Fox takes weeks.
Also any competent shop can add new suspension to a 4runner, you don't need to worry about it not being done properly. Just make sure you do your research and pick the best suspension for you. The Fox TRD pro susoension is good, but with no rebuild kit available, also overall quality is decent but you can better for the money spent.
I literally just purchased a trd pro and then i get this video, I'm glad i read the comments though. No regrets.
I got an SR 5 premium. I did not find the need for the off road or pro options. Debated between off road trim and sr5 premium, went with the SR 5 premium.
I have owned several 4Runners over 35 years. I recently purchased a TRD Off Road Premium w/ KDSS before the Gen 5's are relegated to history. It is the best value for your money and best bang for your buck. Good advice in your video. I do miss the manual transmission of my Gen1 4Runner. But the A750F auto in the current 4Runner is absolutely bullet proof. My .02.
Great video series - you should have waaaay more views👀👀!! Limited for on road safety in Snow, Ice, Rain - can’t beat full time 4WD. Limited still works well for moderate off road👍
Everything you said is why I bought the Limited.
Im in the market right now for a 4Runner also its sad for me that I have to sell my GR Supra cause im starting a family but it’s the right decision I done alot of research also watch your videos really do help and I am going with the off road premium with kdss option I feel like its the best for the value
That seems like a smart choice for your situation and I understand it. My family is expanding and it’s still a good size vehicle until you get 3 kids
In my personal opinion (for what that's worth), I think if you can get the TRD Pro for MSRP it's the best option for value. Not only because it comes with a $3,000 suspension, CRAWL control and Rear Locker, but the resale value compared to any other trim is exceptionally high (Especially if you get one of the ~750 color of the year ones). I mean, even 2-3 year old TRD Pro 4Runners are still at or above their original MSRP. Furthermore, I think that with the huge MSRP increases low end trims like the SR5 and TRD Off Road are broken. SR5's are like $47K now... Which is insane as a few years ago they were about $36K.
What do you mean by "low end trims like the SR5 and TRD Off Road are broken"? Thanks
@@oaouda if you can get a TRD PRO at MSRP, you’re talking about a relatively small gap in $$ for the huge difference in trim levels that a PRO provides.
People that buy 4 runners usually don’t look to sale them. They buy it because they like to customize it and have it last long term. The other trims actually come with CRAWL and rear lockers. That’s not unique to the PRO trim. The mechanicals are not different from the Off Road trim. Like he discusses, if you were a true off roader, then you would need more and do more to the 4runner than the PRO trim offers. You’d be spending less too in aftermarket costs. And the PRO roof rack is a joke.
I need this. Love how you broke it down for me. I was in the market to get a 4 runner but with so many models and knowing not that many updates on the car. I was definitely stressing out especially with the high prices on the use market.
I agree. Just bought the 2023 off road premium and plan to customize over time. Finally got a deal with $2,200 below MSRP..
Nice! That’s for sure best value
I bought my ‘22 4x4 SR5 new for $40k OTD through a military program. Ironman4x4 Stage 2 lift, 18x9 Enkei wheels, TRD Pro front grill, bumper garnishes, skid plate and spent about $7k. It’s still a TRD Faux but it looks amazing.
This is so awesome thanks for this man! Unbelievable that Toyota does this these days. Back in the day you had 2 or 3 versions with options and that was it!
Picked up a 2023 TRD pro, Solar Octane, with less than 4K miles last month for 10k under the list for a new 2024 TRD Pro. Feel very lucky!
I bought a 2022 Pro for MSRP and am very happy with it. No regrets
Thanks for the recent over view of prices this year. I went to my local Toyota dealer recently and their selling sr5's with the trd pro rims for like 50k . i think ill have to wait for the car market to die down. I rememeber when the trd pro was 55k ish at the dealers.
The Barcelona red Venture that pops up on the screen during the Venture section is my actual trade in at Grieco Toyota in EP Rhode Island!!! I traded it in for a 2023 TRD PRO in August of this year! I put a TRD Pro grill on it that went with the trade 22001 miles, too funny!
That’s awesome! Small world I guess
I got $40K for the trade in, in the Rhode Island market for the Venture. 2020 Venture 22000 miles
I actually got my 24 ORP with 360 camera for no extra charge. Dealer didn’t even know it had it on there when it just came off the truck. It was about $750 more than one ORP without. It never had 360 degree camera on the dealer sticker and the car salesman knew I “robbed” them of the extra markup they would’ve liked to give me lmao
Every 4runner is selling for good money right now, even the 4th gens are around 10k or more for a good one. I just bought a 2013 SR5 with 160k miles for 16k. All the TRDs had too many miles or they wanted way too much IMO. Even the 2014s were all at or above 20k. I was forced into the used car market and with the prices being ridiculous no matter what you buy, I figured I'd buy one of the most reliable vehicles there is. I do plan on offroading and doing all my own upgrades. I am impressed all around with this rig so far. Best purchase I've made in a long time.
Get this. I have a friend that just sold their 1998 Limited for 10k
I was looking for a TRD Pro last month and could not find one unless I wanted to pay 64k which was a 10k premium. I ended up getting the TRD Off Road Premium with the Kdds. I like it and with all the “TRD Pro” extras it was still 10k less than the pro.
You need to factor into TRD Pro Exhaust. That's around $1300 after installation.
I bought a 2024 TRD Off Road that the dealer had installed Mickey Thompson Baja Boss AT tires, and TRD Pro wheels. I didn't know that much about the different trim levels at the time, and there were very few choices at the time. All in all the OR was probably the best choice for me, but I would have bought an ORP if I knew then what I know now. I went with Katzkin leather heated seats and Bilstein 8122/8100 suspension, and ended up with a great rig for my needs. I don't miss anything the Premium trim would have added.
An aspect of ownership not mentioned in your review is resale. I think a relatively stock spec Pro would hold its value well compared to a one off upgraded version. Ad in the fact that the factory only makes about 1000 of them a year makes them a shade on the rare side. People pay for that. And, oh ya, your factory warranty will remain intact. Just another way of looking at things!😊
Thanks so much! I’m buying in the next 6 months and considering a 4Runner over a truck. There are so many options, but my instinct was pointing me towards the Off-road Premium…but that TRD Pro is really sick😂
Good series. Confirmed my choice of 2 GX 470 (one lifted for the forest roads and one with kdss for city rides) total cost of 30k beat any trim of 5gen 4 runner. Next on the list is 4th gen runner with the v8.
Dang, great video!
seems to me the TRD off road is the best bang. in the current market i have seen low mileage models from the high to mid 30's
Great information! 100% agree and I bought an ORP and will upgrade it to make it personal. Day one it lost the stock rims and car tires. Went to TRD rims and BFG’s. Next upgrade….. 🧐
Will the 2024 TRD Pro also come in the new Underground Grey? I know it’s a new Tacoma color.
I’ve always ended up going back to a base TRD off road trim. Couldn’t justify the huge gap with what Pros are going for.
I have been considering the 4Runner v Lexus GX. What are viewer's thoughts on the GX needing premium gas therefore adding to the long term cost for the GX?
Have a limited now and on the list for a pro as I live off miles of CO dirt roads. Love my limited, though. I want to go back to fully mechanical 4w option, like my beloved 1st gen tundra.
Worth it love mine plus if you got good accountant sect. 179 trd pro weighs over 6k lbs
I’m probably gonna get the Off Road Premium. Great video. Good stuff.
Ita a shame that only the limited and TRD Pro come with automatic climate control. I just want a TRD OR with automatic climate. Once you have autoclimate its hard to go back.
So does the Pro have a higher clearance than the Off Road?
Great series! Considering the Nightshade but do you know if there are mechanical/reliablity issues with the power running boards?
Personally I have not heard of many reliability issues with them. I do know they are easy to repair or even remove if you want to in the future
if you get a trim level that's not the TRD Pro, is it possible to replace the Toyota logo with the Toyota logo spelled out like in the TRD Pro?
Which badging specifically? The unique Toyota grille is super easy to replace in the aftermarket. The letters that say TRD pro on the side of the vehicle, I’ve never seen that modification yet but I’m sure you can
@@thesilveremir the Toyota grille. I just prefer that spelled out over the generic logo on the front. Thanks for the info and the in-depth series!
Why would you put the trd pro logo on something that is not???
@@johnwebb2232 not the TRD Pro logo - couldn't care less about that. I mean just the "Toyota" logo spelled out instead of the Toyota logo itself on the front grill.
from SR5/TRD Off Road etc, its a very easy DIY to change front grille from Toyota Emblem to TOYOTA letters grille. From Limited though it's a tougher project but there are many videos of folks that's also done it
Hey Emir, wanna review the Miata?
Miata only has 3 Trim types. Count me in!
Has to be Limited model for full time 4 wheel drive.
great vid!
I purchased a 2023 SR54 wheel drive with third row seat. It is Barcelona red with a Toyota "blackout package." The dealership raped me without lube on the price, but I love the truck Negatives are very small third row seats (I only occasionally use them). I keep them folded down most of the time. Also, the body DOES roll on tight curves. An inexperienced driver could loose control if he is used to non truck vehicles. The gas milage is horrible and the fuel tank is smallish. I only can count on 450 miles per tank (way too few miles). The cloth seats will eventually rip, but I will get seat covers some day. I intend to keep it until I die. The turbo 4's and 6's will never last as long. I love the room (cargo and first two rows), and I love the color. Overall, worth the rape I got at the dealership. They will never build cars that will last this long in my lifetime.😢
I got the sr5 and building off that
Forgot the xp series
Would consider Limited with KDSS, Lexus-ish and AWD through inclement weather, while still retaining some of its off road roots, “just in case.” But the older GX is equally compelling.
I don't think the limited has kdss. Just the trd off-road,not even the pro has kdss.
I have decided to wait for the new set up. The new 4Runner will probably come with the 2.4 L turbo and 8 speed transmission, which is much more economic and has a little more power. Toyota is betting their reliability moat in this engine, personally I don’t think they would wish to rock the boat and have Korean companies take over market share unless they were sure of the set up doing well. I want to be able to drive it in slushy and wet terrain so to me AWD all the time is important, and the new Land Cruiser base price is comparable to the all time 4WD, so again I don’t see a compelling reason for buying current gen 4Runner.
KDSS is useless
I have a '23 Pro. It's not worth the extra cost. I could have paid an extra $3k and just gotten a Lexus GX460. If I were to go back in time, I'd get a Off-Road standard. Not even a premium.
Financially you are very correct in my opinion
@@thesilveremir Seriously. an off-road is the same engine, same transmission and same manual transfer case. All the add-ons like -moonroof, don't use, and it will eventually leak.
- Fox suspension, cool but not vital. Special exhaust, also cool but not important.
-"leather TRD" seats, even though I like cloth better anyway.
-Rims, color match front and rear bumper, tires, Pro floormats, etc, etc, all small and unimportant details.
As f right now, it will hold it's value slightly better than other trims just because it's a TRD Pro.
@@Doomzdayxx what you are saying is what inspired me to make these videos. I know someone that bought the TRD off road and they don’t know what a locking rear differential is.
@@thesilveremir I'm glad you made it to, it gives people something to think about. Though I did know this before buying my 4runner, I do feel like I should have settled for something that Id like just as much but pay over $10K less for.
I'm not poor, I work hard, but I'm not wealthy either.
Hopefully that person you know intends to take it off-road at least once in a while and grows to appreciate the 4WD system and rear lockers. Anyway, thanks for making the videos!
Pro all day!
People hating on TRD Pro owners lol. Who cares, MSRP is like 6-7k different and the Pro looks so much better and the Fox suspension is legit.
SR5's are great and with the many quality aftermarket support companies out there you can build a rig that will take you just about anywhere for less $$$ than what you would spend on a TRD Pro
Without a doubt. That’s the one I have
I would not buy the 5th Gen 4runner ... either. Add cat back exhaust,.... that's the only thing I can see now that tis a good add ... untilbtheb6th Gen comes out. But if it's hybrid. I will pass unless the start stop can be turned off.
TRD Pro wheels are 7” and not 7.5
What a cutie pie!!!
It's funny how happy people are with KDSS. So useless. Makes no difference but pissing of every mechanic
Because nobody wants anything 2018 and later, because of all the stupid TSS software, lane assist, emergency braking. It's terrible. Direct fuel injection is also terrible. Everyone wants pre-2018. They are going used for a lot more than the new ones.
Also, I just got a 2017 4Runner TRD Pro with 11,300 miles, all taxes and dealer fees, etc through Carmax.. out the door final price.. $52,500. Imaculate, white, no paint chips, no work done on it.
Completely agree, all the digital nanny features are awful. I have a 2016 and I don’t know if we will ever get rid of it, even if we end up getting a new SUV the 4Runner will live on
@@thesilveremir 2022s and 2023s are going to $35k-$38k, because noone wants them. But this 2017 went for $52k out the door. Of course I keep hearing "you're paying too much!", yet, i'm getting a much better vehicle with fewer unnecessary, garbage features with only 11,300 miles and no recalls or issues. I will likely never sell this thing. They're basically begging me to buy a newer model. I just don't want it. Short story.. Mercedes has the emergency braking, etc all the nanny features, and i'm a professional driver. I escort millionaires and billionaires around. We nearly got rear-ended twice now due to the sensors picking up oil and spots in the road, thinking it was debris/hazard, and slammed on the brakes with someone following close behind us. Completed takes over steering, braking, and all functions. The cars behind you likely don't have those features and will cause you to get violently rear-ended. Not only is it not safe, it's no effective, and it cannot make important decisions that humans can make. We've gotten by fine for 100+ years, we don't need it. Just more wasted money and lack of control.
@@StraitD2 thanks for that input didn’t know about how the emergency breaking does stuff like that. I’ll keep that in mind when buying my next vehicle. I’ll probably end up going used just to avoid it
@@thesilveremir Just two weeks ago, I found out I have to take my Principle's high end Mercedes in for a recall that just surfaced for this software that tracks potential hazards in the road and obstacle avoidance for this exact issue. About a month ago, the car picked up a dark spot in the road doing 50 mph, thought it was a hazard, and it slammed on brakes and swerved. Took over all controls and braking. It stopped so violently, it locked up both of our seatbelts and nearly caused the client to have a heart attack. A service pickup behind us locked up his brakes and had to swerve the opposite direction we did to avoid rear-ending us, all because the software "thought" we were going to hit a small object in the road. I knew it was just s blemish in the road and it was fine. It's done this a dozen times in the past 1 year. Now, it almost gives you anxiety driving the damn thing. Not worth the $137,000 price.
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