True. Hux always loses, but in the clone wars, jar jar being completely useless resulted in victory for the republic at least twice. Hux is a politician trying to be a general.
Grievous, in Legends at least, was a monster. In fact, as military leadership goes I'd put him second only to Thrawn in the Star Wars universe. There's a reason why his death was necessary to end the Clone Wars. If Palpatine had tried to end the CIS with him still there it simply wouldn't have worked.
Grievous in Canon is no joke too, he's just more opportunistic and in line with the movies. He is at his best when he can outlast, outnumber, and emotionally manipulate his opponents. Where subtlety was lost he made up for with ruthlessness, though the lack of subtlety did mean that he could be thwarted by opponents who knew how to restrain themselves in the right ways. He managed to beat Obi-Wan and destroy his ship, Depa Bilaba and her troops, he even managed to take over Dathomir and on another occasion beat Maul's forces.
I'd actually rank Grievous above Thrawn for military, the legends descriptions of him indicate he's the best tactical genius like ever. And Thrawn was glorified for being ruthless when general Grievous was far more ruthless than Thrawn ever was, he launched a (short lived but) successful raid in to the heart of the republic and captured the Chancellor, that's like Russia marching into DC and taking Donald Trump only to be defeated by an army of Navy seals half way to England. In fact he lead the successful ground assault to capture the Chancellor. He could analyze all advantages and disadvantages with no mercy, making him a lot better than Thrawn, I'd love to see a grievous stand alone film
@@Howtodraw-js2sb honestly, yeah. I think after the current trend of Star Wars fades away into obscurity and other people get a shot in make SW content then a whole Clone Wars trilogy or Republic Commando trilogy is justified. Grievious being the main antagonist with Duku and Palpatine in the shadows
Stephen Lutz I am not sure neither, I want to believe that the first order are much more competent than the empire, in there troops, vehicles and tactics. After the events and battles of the rebellion vs empire, they would be seeing what the empire did wrong and improving; which makes sense. However it really grinds my gears of not knowing if the first order and general Hux really are incompetent or is the cause of bad writing. I don’t know, just hope it gets better.
@gLeE TrOopeR 59 The only person who seemed competent for the First Order was the captain of the dreadnaught. He seemed like a seasoned veteran that actually knew what he was doing, but we all know what happened with him sadly. I would rather take him over Hux in a heartbeat.
It’s definitely bad writing. The “good” guys always have to win apparently. The first order is superior in every way but of course they make it seem like their tactics are constructed by chimps. That’s why episode 3 is my favorite, it’s the only one where the “good” guy doesn’t win.
I dont see why he would be in this list either, while the republic had some great generals to, general hux doesnt really seem to know what he is doing and is way to influensed by his emotions, wich is some thing a great leader should be able to put aside and stay professional.
I still love watching Grievous and the Droids owning the Nightsisters on Dathomir in The Clone Wars. Such a dark but epic battle with him just pretty much walking through everyone in his way.
I think you were unfair to General Grievous. You left out his former life as a Kalish warlord where he was nothing short of masterful in his use of tactics and strategy. It could be argued that they're two separate beings, but I'd argue that it's more akin to someone growing older and/or changing command styles as well as what he had at his disposal. The base commander is still there -- his brain is still largely the same, but he became more ruthless (and, admittedly, reckless) and better at calculation and personal command, i.e. leading from the front (which is saying something, considering his already fantastic personal combat skills as his fully-organic self). General Grievous should've gotten first on this ranking. He was much better a warrior than any of the other generals and he was the only general to master or become proficient at every single form of warfare, even if he wasn't quite as good in the specifics as General Veers or General Madine.
All true and I love Grievous personally but you do have to take into account that he did lose major objectives like the battle for Bothawui. Now I'm not saying this to discredit him it's just that he did lose so while if it was just general Veers in command of the entire imperial military vs. Grievous with the entire droid army than yes I'd give it to Grievous but this is for land based generals so Veers with that being his specialty combined with earning his position through sheer skill does make him better as a purely land based general sorry.
I think the fact that Grievous got as far as he did with an army as crappy as that of the Seperatists is proof enough for his abilities. I'd even argue that the influence of Darth Sidious is what actually resulted in his defeat, but obviously that's just my personal opinion.
And yet I've somehow found myself in a debate if Hux is better than Grievous and while I'm getting nicked picked over every victory and failure Grievous made I've yet to see a time where Hux actually won not counting firing Starkiller as that wasn't a fight.
Has Grievous ever been portrayed as brillant? We always hear about how smart he is but we have only ever seen how smart he is once when he captured Eeth Koth and used him as bait. But other than that in both Continuities he has always been a blunt tool.
Anthony Rodriguez to be fair though no one in the Clone Wars is a good tactician or strategist. The Jedi characters usually only succeed because they have the force. Arguably if the Seperatists were poised to win, which is stated by the Tactical Droid in Rebs, it would invariably be accredited to Grievous as the overall commander of the Droid Armies.
I disagree. Not with Grievous's abilities as a general ( I think he was extremely effective and intelligent) but your statement about the Separatists winning the war. The kidnapping of Chancellor Palpatine was a desperate move. It indicates that the Separatists felt is the only way to win, making it extremely likely they going to lose the war if things continued normally. Also, there was frequent discussion by the Jedi about Palpatine giving up emergency powers after the end of the war. They would not have bothered talking about this unless they both (a) felt the war would end soon and (b) the Republic and position of Chancellor would still exist. In other words, the Jedi though the Republic would soon win.
Forrest Penrod There were amazing tacticians during the clone wars era - they just either got no screen time or made it out of legends into the new canon. Unfortunate.
General Grievous had many years of experience as a Kaleesh warrior and leader of his kind, and I feel he would have been probably #1 if it was not for Palpatine pulling his strings, and at times sabotaging attempts to improve the general droid quality. Grievous was meant only to be a spectral monster to allow Palpatine to take more and more power, a dog muzzled. I think it is fortunate that he remained so, otherwise The Republic would be in a lot of trouble.
While his tactics lacked subtlety Grievous did know how to wage gorilla warfare and how to fight with limited supplies as he did that with the Kaleesh back when he was fully organic it's just between the things they did to his mind and the near endless supply of droids stuff like that wasn't needed most of the time. I personally think he could do just as well if he had a limited amount of good battle droids at his command and still be as successful if not more thanks to the lack of b1 stupidity than he already was. Just think if he had all the HK51 droids you see on the ship in Section X.
@@GabeNsApostle when his home planet was being invaded he lead against them and nearly won till the invaders went to the Republic and made it look like the Kaleesh were in the wrong and started to starve them to death it's one of the main reasons he hates the Republic.
I think you're giving Grievous too little credit (and again giving the Rebels too much). Before becoming a cyborg, Grievous led a war against the Hux so efficiently that the Jedi had to intervene out of concern that it could turn into a genocide. He's as skilled a tactician as Jango Fett was a warrior - hence being hand-picked by Dooku.
Veers being top: rational. Grievous being second: rational. Madine being third: rational. Hux being on this list: how to teleport into someone’s house and slap them.
@@frostyoreo8657 That's the point, it's meant to show how fragmented The First Order is, most of the new guys are not loyal and will backstab anyone, while the old Imperials like Canady are loyal and actually competent. Hux just got to where he was because of all the skeletons in his closet and because he pushed for technological advancement, which was what Snoke used him for.
Grevious, at least if we are going by legends. There are only a few characters who could beat him, in fact I can only think of two who could almost be guaranteed to do it and they are Revan and Thrawn.
Grievous is smarter then thrawn, he'd win. I know people wont agree, it'd be tough but Grievous is the best General in star Wars and barely anyone can beat him in a fight, he almost killed the strongest jedi of all time in a 1v1.
(Grievous, I hope you realise, was able to not only unite the Kaleesh warlords under one army, which is godlike in itself, but take a relatively small army with real world technology at best, 1880s technology at worst, and defeat one of the largest empires in the galaxy, armed with blasters and the like. Veers had control of the largest army in the galaxy against a ragtag group of alien slaves and outer rim farmers and *still* lost? Remind me, now, who takes the number one spot.)
Yeah i get the impression eck ignored actual feats for this one because grievous dominates everyone on this list for that war alone and that was before enhancement. If veers was killed it wouldnt of been a crippling blow for the empire but if grievous was killed it would of changed the tide of the war
Thrawn wouldve been number 1 easy think about it in legends and disney canon thrawn 99% of the time wins battle after battle after battle through his genius mind and amazing strategies destroying one rebel cell after another besides vader thrawn had the most imperial victories on record (I think I havent checked in a while but come on thrawn is amazing and is obviously better than veers)
The cgi clone wars show only shows him going against plot armor and bad writing, which was more dangerous than any jedi to a main villain. Legends shows him as a beast, and tactically he was mostly unrivaled. If we go by the new canon, thrawn is really incompetent compared to legends for the same reason, but we know different.
@@patrickfrancis9245 the comics are okay for both of them. But the shows are too scared to show them asnthey should be. Maybe with the last season and later media we can see them in all their glory.
Grievous in Canon is more consistent with the movies but he still has his achievements. He destroyed Obi-Wan's flagship, The Negotiator, he took over Dathomir, he decimated Depa Bilaba's forces with 90% casualties, he even managed to outnumber and outlast Maul's Mandalorian Army. Grievous is at his best when he can outlast, outnumber and emotionally manipulate his opponents, Nahdar Vebb being an example. It's just being so ruthless means he loses all subtlely, so the tides can turn against him when his opponents know how to restrain themselves. But if someone tries to meet Grievous head on with impulsiveness they're playing into his hands. He's opportunistic but still a proud warrior.
@@patrickfrancis9245 Agreed. In two whole seasons his only mistake was holding little regard for, and underestimating the power of the Force and the Jedi
Grievous was a Kaleesh warlord before his cybernetic changes due to Count Dooku. Grievous was very very skilled in Legends, Canon really dumbs him down.
Anyone else think General Whorm loathsome was a great commander? he beat the clones fairly easy, and due to his classic honor and being pragmatic he even spared the clones and kenobi whilst he could have simply slaughtered them , in spite of plot armor. I'm quite fond of him.
I feel like Grievous defeating the Night Sisters is heavily underhyped, he full on stomped an entire clan of force sensitives like it was just a hobby of his.
To be fair they had like force bows and could do absolutely nothing against blaster fire which appears to me that they didn’t have precognition. I’d argue that they were mostly under average youngling to Palawan level(except for mother Talzin who was likely close to sidious and yoda in the force).
I think for Greivous you should have looked back at the Wars he was in before he became a Cyborg, when he wasn’t being influenced by Palpatine. He was able to turn a losing war around and then was able to push a devastating campaign that was only stopped but the Jedi.
#askEck If you were a force sensitive philosopher in the star wars universe and were creating your own order of force practitioners what would be its characteristics aka philosophies, teaching methods, abilities you would focus on, perspective on the light and dark side. etc
From what I've found, General Veers survived in canon, but was severely wounded when his walker, Blizzard 1, was destroyed when a Snowspeeder crashed into the cockpit. Veers was the only survivor, but suffered major injuries to his leg, so he was forever bound to a power chair to move around.
I'll just toss this out there but when deeming a worthy general it's also important to remember not just his deeds on and off the field but also his enemies. General Grievous fought a war against not only the Jedi but in some cases his own superiors who had never intended his army to succeed, this had it's advantages but majorly gimped his army. I seriously doubt the first order or the rebel alliance would have fared as well against an enemy like the republic and their army of Jedi. General Grievous is worthy of villainous respect for that alone.
Thank you for putting Veers (my favorite character by far!) as number 1! Veers' story, especially in Legends, is absolutely fascinating, and he's the one Imperial officer who actually did his job to perfection. Completely agree with this list!
There’s actually a deleted scene in ESB where a rebel pilot flys his snowspeeder into the head of Veers AT-AT, and Veers dies with it. Don’t know what to count a deleted scene as though.
I really liked Veers from the moment i first saw the Empire strikes back, maybe because he was obviously very different to the babbling officers we had seen so far (with the exception of mostly Tarkin), and i became a "fan" of sorts after playing EaW as the Empire. I think the guy is a good example of an imperial officer how they all should have been (from an in-universe perspective), and as far as i know he, while being ruthless when needed, was not a sadist and did things the most efficient way, not the most gruesome.
Hi Eck. How are you doing? #askeck what are you thinking about the Jedi knight Games? Which one is your Favorite? Or what overall Star wars Game is your Favorite?
Poor Grievous, only 3rd,at least he can consolate himself by stretching the others^^ As for Ecks question, i guess Super-Tactical droids are slightly superior to regular ones but with a capacity to learn beyond any other kind of inorganic? Since they can practice for an unlimited amount of time (unless destroyed) one of them would eventually surpass anything that cannot comptete with it's hardware/processing power (maybe force users strategists if they somehow manage to be completely unpredictable due to how vague the force is to fully comprehend?)
I have to disagree with your choice for placing Hux on this specific list instead of a clone, or jedi general. Hux is incompetent, and a fool. He hardly deserves any credit until the canon gives him a shred of it. The 1st place ruling I'd also disagree on the Rebel General was considered the best in the galaxy AFTER the war, and Veers was considered the best in the empire with him but he had not arguably hit his stride, and notability until he had already defected to the Rebel Alliance.
Canon will never give Hux any credit because his incompetence is the point. He only got to his position, like many other First Order leaders, through backstabbing and, in his case, a little bit of nepotism. Neither of those things an effective general makes, but such is the way of the dark side. He is intentionally comic relief at best.
What i though before watching this video: Grevious was more like the Jedi, not really a strategist, more like leading the front line, single handle just slaughtering the more high-skilled enemies like Jedi and so letting the droids take down the clones. I really didn’t expect him to be kinda known as a “strategic genius” or anything like it, but I think it could fit him, his hate for the Jedi really makes him concentrated on defeating the enemy, because it was personal. I really love how they go into detail on these things.
It's too bad, though understandable, that any kind of convoluted tactics in space and on ground are pretty much exclusive to expanded universe content, be it Legends or Disney-era. Even Rebels, which had Thrawn in it, kept things simple or "vaguely implied to be complicated but never seen" during battle sequences. Looking at your opinion of this factions compared, it's really telling that, in the films only, the bottom two are major characters while the top two are pretty much just background extras. I know you'll get to this in the finale of the Vong sub-series. Won't stop me from going through the motions though. Anyways: Can you breakdown what is by far the largest space battle in the entire franchise? *The* *Battle* *of* *Yuuzhan'tar!* I have made this request: one-hundred-twenty-two times.
It's worth noting (in relation to one of your points) that in certain legends cannon that Sidous and Dooku also worked to keep the CIS from developing super weapons that were too powerful for the Republic to overcome, so that's something to keep in mind. That manipulation of the war was very much a two edged sword.
Hey @EckhartsLadder ! I love your videos! What about, which sci-fi faction has the best plasma guns? Or best laser guns? Star Wars, Halo, Fallout, Warhammer (or different factions) ?
I wonder how Grievous would've fared if he wasn't manipulated and set to lose by Sidious. I feel like he's too much of a wildcard to properly rank. Veers and Madine are a coin-toss for first, IMO, so I guess I agree with the list entirely.
My list: 1# General Veers 2# General Grievous 3# General Crix Madine 4# General Hux. Eck I love your videos, the content is great and spot on and you have good visuals. Best channel for Star Wars nerds! Keep up the good work.
I just want to remind everyone that under Hux’s command the first order blew up like 7 whole planets and nearly wiped out the resistance in its entirety.
Could you possibly pleeeaaasssee do a video about the flood vs the Lambent?(gears of war) I really think it could be a great comparison of the two, at least if the Lambert is in its fully evolved form.
I have a question every clone was made with Advanced aging process so how did Rex not die of age so how did he survive to battle in the Battle of Endor
What about general whorm loathsome, general Kenobi, general antilles or craken (New republic)? They might be lesser generals, but if hux is on the list all bets are off.
General Kalani was an amazing general i think for the CIS. He was able to manipulate kingships and formulate key strategies against the odds, as well as his clarity and independence, seen when he didn’t allow the shut down Command of his droids believing it was a republic trick.
I think it's a little unfair to put Madine in second place when he was the last man standing and Veers was not. What does the cannon say that Veers was doing when Madine's teams brought down the Death Star shield generator?
#AskEck Would you consider a video on which Star Wars faction has the best mainline starfighters? Are X-Wings better than ARC-170's? Are TIE Fighters worse than Vulture Droids? Also, if a Number 5 spot was added to this list, where would Grand General Tagge (Canon) be?
Hux would lose a by a large margin to a super tactical droid
Hux would loose to C3PO commanding an army of Jar Jar clones.
Hux would lose to Jar Jar commanding an army of Mynoks
Hux would lose to the empire's most incompetent officers
CM - 22 - 5133 hux would lose to the low ground
CM - 22 - 5133 hux would lose to a Mynock commanding the low ground
A super tactical droid would be a better general than Hux, even Jar Jar was a more successful general than Hux
It is so sad that that statement is true.
True. Hux always loses, but in the clone wars, jar jar being completely useless resulted in victory for the republic at least twice. Hux is a politician trying to be a general.
Well, he was the true sith lord, after all...
Hux is just a kid trying to be naziwannabe
Okay but super tactical droids were no joke, those guys knew their shit.
Grievous, in Legends at least, was a monster. In fact, as military leadership goes I'd put him second only to Thrawn in the Star Wars universe. There's a reason why his death was necessary to end the Clone Wars. If Palpatine had tried to end the CIS with him still there it simply wouldn't have worked.
Grievous in Canon is no joke too, he's just more opportunistic and in line with the movies. He is at his best when he can outlast, outnumber, and emotionally manipulate his opponents. Where subtlety was lost he made up for with ruthlessness, though the lack of subtlety did mean that he could be thwarted by opponents who knew how to restrain themselves in the right ways. He managed to beat Obi-Wan and destroy his ship, Depa Bilaba and her troops, he even managed to take over Dathomir and on another occasion beat Maul's forces.
Well, mabye at your list you can add Jedi knight revan, no one can beat him
Now I wanna see a conversation between Thrawn and Grievous
I'd actually rank Grievous above Thrawn for military, the legends descriptions of him indicate he's the best tactical genius like ever. And Thrawn was glorified for being ruthless when general Grievous was far more ruthless than Thrawn ever was, he launched a (short lived but) successful raid in to the heart of the republic and captured the Chancellor, that's like Russia marching into DC and taking Donald Trump only to be defeated by an army of Navy seals half way to England. In fact he lead the successful ground assault to capture the Chancellor. He could analyze all advantages and disadvantages with no mercy, making him a lot better than Thrawn, I'd love to see a grievous stand alone film
@@Howtodraw-js2sb honestly, yeah. I think after the current trend of Star Wars fades away into obscurity and other people get a shot in make SW content then a whole Clone Wars trilogy or Republic Commando trilogy is justified. Grievious being the main antagonist with Duku and Palpatine in the shadows
Is Hux just on here as a joke or are we being serious.
Just as in the movies, he's just a joke
Stephen Lutz I am not sure neither, I want to believe that the first order are much more competent than the empire, in there troops, vehicles and tactics. After the events and battles of the rebellion vs empire, they would be seeing what the empire did wrong and improving; which makes sense. However it really grinds my gears of not knowing if the first order and general Hux really are incompetent or is the cause of bad writing. I don’t know, just hope it gets better.
@gLeE TrOopeR 59 The only person who seemed competent for the First Order was the captain of the dreadnaught. He seemed like a seasoned veteran that actually knew what he was doing, but we all know what happened with him sadly. I would rather take him over Hux in a heartbeat.
It’s definitely bad writing. The “good” guys always have to win apparently. The first order is superior in every way but of course they make it seem like their tactics are constructed by chimps. That’s why episode 3 is my favorite, it’s the only one where the “good” guy doesn’t win.
I dont see why he would be in this list either, while the republic had some great generals to, general hux doesnt really seem to know what he is doing and is way to influensed by his emotions, wich is some thing a great leader should be able to put aside and stay professional.
"General Kenobi! You are a bold one!"
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General kenobi
The folafal Waffle You are a bold one.
"You must realize YOU, ARE. DOOMED!"
"I've got a BAD FEELING about this!"
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Back away. I will deal with this jedi slime myself
I still love watching Grievous and the Droids owning the Nightsisters on Dathomir in The Clone Wars. Such a dark but epic battle with him just pretty much walking through everyone in his way.
Aka the only time he was cool in that show, loved that episode!
That’s nothing compared to what he does in the miniseries!
That proves he can get his hands dirty while not hiding in a giant Battle machine.
@The Zant General
Yeah, I also loved watching him own all those Jedi in the first cartoon.
He was badass untill he needed his droids to save his ass when he was about to be killed by Ventress
General veers was such a boss in empire at war and in episode 5.
Ikr!!! :)
Yooossss
heck yeah he is
Underrated moviewise, but a true genius.
@@legostarwarsfan1662 I'm just apologizing for earlier, I just don't like my characters to be killed off so easily
Who wins?
A Kaleesh Warlord, capable of killing hundreds of highly trained force sensitive warriors.
vs.
Ewan McGregor with a blaster.
*Jesus with a blaster
I'm putting my money on the Kaleesh Warlord.
@@robertwadsworth3411 One uncivilized boi*
@@yousephkarouni9540 no I just like the Kaleesh more than the other guy
One uncivilized boi vs Jesus with a light pew pew
I think you were unfair to General Grievous. You left out his former life as a Kalish warlord where he was nothing short of masterful in his use of tactics and strategy.
It could be argued that they're two separate beings, but I'd argue that it's more akin to someone growing older and/or changing command styles as well as what he had at his disposal. The base commander is still there -- his brain is still largely the same, but he became more ruthless (and, admittedly, reckless) and better at calculation and personal command, i.e. leading from the front (which is saying something, considering his already fantastic personal combat skills as his fully-organic self).
General Grievous should've gotten first on this ranking. He was much better a warrior than any of the other generals and he was the only general to master or become proficient at every single form of warfare, even if he wasn't quite as good in the specifics as General Veers or General Madine.
All true and I love Grievous personally but you do have to take into account that he did lose major objectives like the battle for Bothawui. Now I'm not saying this to discredit him it's just that he did lose so while if it was just general Veers in command of the entire imperial military vs. Grievous with the entire droid army than yes I'd give it to Grievous but this is for land based generals so Veers with that being his specialty combined with earning his position through sheer skill does make him better as a purely land based general sorry.
He can't win cos he dies on screen
Either way u cant argue that he isnt a really good general he did come somewhat close to taking over kamino even if it was a loss
Agreed. At least he has a backstory.
I think the fact that Grievous got as far as he did with an army as crappy as that of the Seperatists is proof enough for his abilities. I'd even argue that the influence of Darth Sidious is what actually resulted in his defeat, but obviously that's just my personal opinion.
Hux: *Has character potential*
The Last Jedi: *I'm about to end this man's whole career*
I wanted space hitler damnit
blew up 4 planet at once, he could have been a great villian smh
@@handleonafridge6828 watching that speech in German was hilarious
*Definitely not someone from the First Order or the Resistance.*
Sadly they turned the First Order into a joke.
@@chris9206 Sadly the entire new trilogy is so far a joke.
Adamant This is true.
And yet I've somehow found myself in a debate if Hux is better than Grievous and while I'm getting nicked picked over every victory and failure Grievous made I've yet to see a time where Hux actually won not counting firing Starkiller as that wasn't a fight.
Hey leia is a good general you salty boy
Overlooked General Grievous's life before the Clone Wars. He did much more that needed looking at
Lord Gong they're looking at them as generals though
@@seamoose9948 he was a general of his people
The ultimate battle of the three most badass generals of the movies!
Oh and a General Hugs
Lol "hugs"
Hello there
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@@squarek123 General Kenobi
You are a bold one
PLEASE wax poetic about Bel-Iblis for ten minutes, he's deeply underappreciated for what he was in the EU
YES
Please do, he was one of my favorite characters in the Thrawn trilogy
Agree
I'd love that so much!!!
He was easy to kill in Empire at War.
Grievous. I don’t care how terribly TCW portrays him. RotS and other canon implies the separatists were winning the war.
Has Grievous ever been portrayed as brillant?
We always hear about how smart he is but we have only ever seen how smart he is once when he captured Eeth Koth and used him as bait.
But other than that in both Continuities he has always been a blunt tool.
Anthony Rodriguez to be fair though no one in the Clone Wars is a good tactician or strategist. The Jedi characters usually only succeed because they have the force.
Arguably if the Seperatists were poised to win, which is stated by the Tactical Droid in Rebs, it would invariably be accredited to Grievous as the overall commander of the Droid Armies.
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On that we both agree. If the C.I.S were left to their own devices they would have steamrolled the republic.
I disagree. Not with Grievous's abilities as a general ( I think he was extremely effective and intelligent) but your statement about the Separatists winning the war. The kidnapping of Chancellor Palpatine was a desperate move. It indicates that the Separatists felt is the only way to win, making it extremely likely they going to lose the war if things continued normally.
Also, there was frequent discussion by the Jedi about Palpatine giving up emergency powers after the end of the war. They would not have bothered talking about this unless they both (a) felt the war would end soon and (b) the Republic and position of Chancellor would still exist. In other words, the Jedi though the Republic would soon win.
Forrest Penrod There were amazing tacticians during the clone wars era - they just either got no screen time or made it out of legends into the new canon. Unfortunate.
General Grievous had many years of experience as a Kaleesh warrior and leader of his kind, and I feel he would have been probably #1 if it was not for Palpatine pulling his strings, and at times sabotaging attempts to improve the general droid quality. Grievous was meant only to be a spectral monster to allow Palpatine to take more and more power, a dog muzzled. I think it is fortunate that he remained so, otherwise The Republic would be in a lot of trouble.
While his tactics lacked subtlety Grievous did know how to wage gorilla warfare and how to fight with limited supplies as he did that with the Kaleesh back when he was fully organic it's just between the things they did to his mind and the near endless supply of droids stuff like that wasn't needed most of the time. I personally think he could do just as well if he had a limited amount of good battle droids at his command and still be as successful if not more thanks to the lack of b1 stupidity than he already was. Just think if he had all the HK51 droids you see on the ship in Section X.
not to mention all he ha for soldiers where droids and the droids where utterly useless
Gorilla warfare?
@@GabeNsApostle I'm imagining an army of Harambes
he was only given what he needed to keep the war going if he wasn't being held back he would have won the war
@@GabeNsApostle when his home planet was being invaded he lead against them and nearly won till the invaders went to the Republic and made it look like the Kaleesh were in the wrong and started to starve them to death it's one of the main reasons he hates the Republic.
I think you're giving Grievous too little credit (and again giving the Rebels too much). Before becoming a cyborg, Grievous led a war against the Hux so efficiently that the Jedi had to intervene out of concern that it could turn into a genocide. He's as skilled a tactician as Jango Fett was a warrior - hence being hand-picked by Dooku.
I don't believe he would be as good as Veers though.
@@Starfleet8555 he never said he was as good as Veers, he just said the Republic got to much credit
Nah grievous got a fair placement 😊
When your here early enough for the poll to say Grievous is 100% the best. The correct results, of course.
βΣΨΩΠD RΣΔSΩΠ no shit but Veers is my fav
You stand correct
@OOM- 32... you’re a droid yet you think Veers is better?
Veers being top: rational.
Grievous being second: rational.
Madine being third: rational.
Hux being on this list: how to teleport into someone’s house and slap them.
Ha ha ha my fellow soldiers (cough cough)
General Hux is the worst general of Star Wars.
Have you seen general hux. He is treated like a joke and has the worst tactics.
You forget general krel
@@frostyoreo8657 That's the point, it's meant to show how fragmented The First Order is, most of the new guys are not loyal and will backstab anyone, while the old Imperials like Canady are loyal and actually competent. Hux just got to where he was because of all the skeletons in his closet and because he pushed for technological advancement, which was what Snoke used him for.
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@@deadshot-qz5rk Krel was one of the best general of the war, he wasn't very... Sane however.
Grevious, at least if we are going by legends. There are only a few characters who could beat him, in fact I can only think of two who could almost be guaranteed to do it and they are Revan and Thrawn.
Thrawn is best at space battles
@@kenneth9452 Actually he is a master when it comes to ground combat as well.
@@kenneth9452 thrawn could command anything. Give him a podracer, two banthas and 1 blaster rifle, and he conqers a planet with it...
@@fizzlewick I read bananas instead of banthas and you would still be right.
Grievous is smarter then thrawn, he'd win. I know people wont agree, it'd be tough but Grievous is the best General in star Wars and barely anyone can beat him in a fight, he almost killed the strongest jedi of all time in a 1v1.
(Grievous, I hope you realise, was able to not only unite the Kaleesh warlords under one army, which is godlike in itself, but take a relatively small army with real world technology at best, 1880s technology at worst, and defeat one of the largest empires in the galaxy, armed with blasters and the like. Veers had control of the largest army in the galaxy against a ragtag group of alien slaves and outer rim farmers and *still* lost? Remind me, now, who takes the number one spot.)
Yeah i get the impression eck ignored actual feats for this one because grievous dominates everyone on this list for that war alone and that was before enhancement. If veers was killed it wouldnt of been a crippling blow for the empire but if grievous was killed it would of changed the tide of the war
Mesa is the best.
Grevius close second.
Thrawn wouldve been number 1 easy think about it in legends and disney canon thrawn 99% of the time wins battle after battle after battle through his genius mind and amazing strategies destroying one rebel cell after another besides vader thrawn had the most imperial victories on record (I think I havent checked in a while but come on thrawn is amazing and is obviously better than veers)
@@courier5156 Thrawn is an Admiral not a General
The cgi clone wars show only shows him going against plot armor and bad writing, which was more dangerous than any jedi to a main villain. Legends shows him as a beast, and tactically he was mostly unrivaled. If we go by the new canon, thrawn is really incompetent compared to legends for the same reason, but we know different.
Agreed on canon Grievous but canon Thrawn is still good. Rebels does weaken him a bit but the canon Thrawn novels are the same Thrawn we always knew.
@@patrickfrancis9245 the comics are okay for both of them. But the shows are too scared to show them asnthey should be. Maybe with the last season and later media we can see them in all their glory.
Grievous in Canon is more consistent with the movies but he still has his achievements. He destroyed Obi-Wan's flagship, The Negotiator, he took over Dathomir, he decimated Depa Bilaba's forces with 90% casualties, he even managed to outnumber and outlast Maul's Mandalorian Army. Grievous is at his best when he can outlast, outnumber and emotionally manipulate his opponents, Nahdar Vebb being an example. It's just being so ruthless means he loses all subtlely, so the tides can turn against him when his opponents know how to restrain themselves. But if someone tries to meet Grievous head on with impulsiveness they're playing into his hands. He's opportunistic but still a proud warrior.
@@patrickfrancis9245 Agreed. In two whole seasons his only mistake was holding little regard for, and underestimating the power of the Force and the Jedi
And his obsession with Obi Wan.
My favorite description of General Veers is Space Rommel
Robert Baratheon
Thrawn I feel is space Rommel
Travis Illerbrun Rommel is a good general but not on the same level as thrawn imo
Rommel got beat down by Montgomery tho
Thrawn is Manstein.
@@two5126 That’s probability because Thrawn is an admiral.
Wasn’t grievous meant to be a good military leader before he got all robotified
Grievous was a Kaleesh warlord before his cybernetic changes due to Count Dooku. Grievous was very very skilled in Legends, Canon really dumbs him down.
Change the title to; BEST GENERAL on hand to hand combat. Our glory General Grevous will be happier.
Eric Kuo General Kenobi, then we’ll see who’s better at hand to hand combat
Anyone else think General Whorm loathsome was a great commander? he beat the clones fairly easy, and due to his classic honor and being pragmatic he even spared the clones and kenobi whilst he could have simply slaughtered them , in spite of plot armor. I'm quite fond of him.
*UNIMPORTANT CHARACTER*
I feel like Grievous defeating the Night Sisters is heavily underhyped, he full on stomped an entire clan of force sensitives like it was just a hobby of his.
To be fair they had like force bows and could do absolutely nothing against blaster fire which appears to me that they didn’t have precognition. I’d argue that they were mostly under average youngling to Palawan level(except for mother Talzin who was likely close to sidious and yoda in the force).
"General Grievous is number 3"
r/prequelmemes: "you are a bold one"
I think for Greivous you should have looked back at the Wars he was in before he became a Cyborg, when he wasn’t being influenced by Palpatine. He was able to turn a losing war around and then was able to push a devastating campaign that was only stopped but the Jedi.
Grievous is my personal favorite
Same
Stats right now:
Madine: 12%
Veers: 56%
Grievous: 30%
Hux: 0%
HAHAHAHAHAHA
#askEck If you were a force sensitive philosopher in the star wars universe and were creating your own order of force practitioners what would be its characteristics aka philosophies, teaching methods, abilities you would focus on, perspective on the light and dark side. etc
From what I've found, General Veers survived in canon, but was severely wounded when his walker, Blizzard 1, was destroyed when a Snowspeeder crashed into the cockpit. Veers was the only survivor, but suffered major injuries to his leg, so he was forever bound to a power chair to move around.
If we include the Genndy Tartarkovsky miniseries, I say Grievous.
I'll just toss this out there but when deeming a worthy general it's also important to remember not just his deeds on and off the field but also his enemies. General Grievous fought a war against not only the Jedi but in some cases his own superiors who had never intended his army to succeed, this had it's advantages but majorly gimped his army. I seriously doubt the first order or the rebel alliance would have fared as well against an enemy like the republic and their army of Jedi. General Grievous is worthy of villainous respect for that alone.
Love Your videos, Eck!!!
Thank you for putting Veers (my favorite character by far!) as number 1! Veers' story, especially in Legends, is absolutely fascinating, and he's the one Imperial officer who actually did his job to perfection. Completely agree with this list!
Kenobi, Yoda, or Anakin should have been on the list with the six leaders being Hux
There’s actually a deleted scene in ESB where a rebel pilot flys his snowspeeder into the head of Veers AT-AT, and Veers dies with it. Don’t know what to count a deleted scene as though.
Sounds like canon to me
I really liked Veers from the moment i first saw the Empire strikes back, maybe because he was obviously very different to the babbling officers we had seen so far (with the exception of mostly Tarkin), and i became a "fan" of sorts after playing EaW as the Empire.
I think the guy is a good example of an imperial officer how they all should have been (from an in-universe perspective), and as far as i know he, while being ruthless when needed, was not a sadist and did things the most efficient way, not the most gruesome.
General Grevious. If the universe knew about all the memes he spawned, they'd immediately join the Separatists
Hi Eck. How are you doing?
#askeck what are you thinking about the Jedi knight Games? Which one is your Favorite?
Or what overall Star wars Game is your Favorite?
This outro is a real masterpiece 😂
Poor Grievous, only 3rd,at least he can consolate himself by stretching the others^^
As for Ecks question, i guess Super-Tactical droids are slightly superior to regular ones but with a capacity to learn beyond any other kind of inorganic?
Since they can practice for an unlimited amount of time (unless destroyed) one of them would eventually surpass anything that cannot comptete with it's hardware/processing power (maybe force users strategists if they somehow manage to be completely unpredictable due to how vague the force is to fully comprehend?)
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You know who's Going to be Last When the Introducing Footage of Him
Is a Video of him Sweeping the flour with his Face
I have to disagree with your choice for placing Hux on this specific list instead of a clone, or jedi general. Hux is incompetent, and a fool. He hardly deserves any credit until the canon gives him a shred of it. The 1st place ruling I'd also disagree on the Rebel General was considered the best in the galaxy AFTER the war, and Veers was considered the best in the empire with him but he had not arguably hit his stride, and notability until he had already defected to the Rebel Alliance.
Canon will never give Hux any credit because his incompetence is the point. He only got to his position, like many other First Order leaders, through backstabbing and, in his case, a little bit of nepotism. Neither of those things an effective general makes, but such is the way of the dark side. He is intentionally comic relief at best.
What i though before watching this video: Grevious was more like the Jedi, not really a strategist, more like leading the front line, single handle just slaughtering the more high-skilled enemies like Jedi and so letting the droids take down the clones. I really didn’t expect him to be kinda known as a “strategic genius” or anything like it, but I think it could fit him, his hate for the Jedi really makes him concentrated on defeating the enemy, because it was personal. I really love how they go into detail on these things.
love ur vids
6:34
Let me reword word that
General Grievous is “Uncivilised one”
It's too bad, though understandable, that any kind of convoluted tactics in space and on ground are pretty much exclusive to expanded universe content, be it Legends or Disney-era. Even Rebels, which had Thrawn in it, kept things simple or "vaguely implied to be complicated but never seen" during battle sequences. Looking at your opinion of this factions compared, it's really telling that, in the films only, the bottom two are major characters while the top two are pretty much just background extras.
I know you'll get to this in the finale of the Vong sub-series. Won't stop me from going through the motions though.
Anyways: Can you breakdown what is by far the largest space battle in the entire franchise? *The* *Battle* *of* *Yuuzhan'tar!* I have made this request: one-hundred-twenty-two times.
7:03 is a picture of the new geonosis map in battlefront 2
5:13 it reminds me about Spartans? Or it's just me
It's worth noting (in relation to one of your points) that in certain legends cannon that Sidous and Dooku also worked to keep the CIS from developing super weapons that were too powerful for the Republic to overcome, so that's something to keep in mind. That manipulation of the war was very much a two edged sword.
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Do a video on the best Clone Commanders and what was their best effective strategy and morale and caring for their men
If we're talk Grievous from legends or even 2003 clone wars then he beats all these other generals by miles
Hey @EckhartsLadder ! I love your videos!
What about, which sci-fi faction has the best plasma guns? Or best laser guns? Star Wars, Halo, Fallout, Warhammer (or different factions) ?
I wonder how Grievous would've fared if he wasn't manipulated and set to lose by Sidious. I feel like he's too much of a wildcard to properly rank. Veers and Madine are a coin-toss for first, IMO, so I guess I agree with the list entirely.
Im glad you cover this part of starwars galactic history.
Like thrawn, other commanders had a moral code!
Clearly the Republic, since they have GENERAL KENOBI
The Best General realizes the importance of having great facial hair and the High Ground
I really wonder... what if Veers was under the command of Thrawn...
*Oof*
My list: 1# General Veers 2# General Grievous 3# General Crix Madine 4# General Hux. Eck I love your videos, the content is great and spot on and you have good visuals. Best channel for Star Wars nerds! Keep up the good work.
I just want to remind everyone that under Hux’s command the first order blew up like 7 whole planets and nearly wiped out the resistance in its entirety.
I too can order people to press the button.
There were like 8 rebels and he failed to kill them
I don't usually comment on these but you're greatly undervaluing Grievous
I would rank General Grievous after Veers.
Could you possibly pleeeaaasssee do a video about the flood vs the Lambent?(gears of war) I really think it could be a great comparison of the two, at least if the Lambert is in its fully evolved form.
So you’re telling me that rebels killed kidnapped soldiers? If that’s not wrong I don’t know what is.
For your next fraction compared can you please do which fraction has the best shuttle
Good on Madine for picking Captain Rex to attack on Endor.
Wait really?
What... I thought Rex stayed with Vader.
@@robertwadsworth3411 movieweb.com/star-wars-rebels-return-jedi-captain-rex-theory/
I have a question every clone was made with Advanced aging process so how did Rex not die of age so how did he survive to battle in the Battle of Endor
Madine and Veers were played by Irish actors. #funfact
Hey man ever though about putting the crysis suit up against other augmented characters like master cheif
Yeah Hux is just horrible mabye some better writing could make him more dangerous rather than a cheap joke
the first movie the force awakens made him seem dangerous.
Hux, the guy who wouldn't listen to Captain Cardinal about how she was a traitor, so basically Starkiller was even more his fault. Great Video!
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General Kenobi
Hi how are you
Can you plz do a vid with all 6 canon factions compared. Would love to see that !
Dark Helmet Vs Darth Vader
What about general whorm loathsome, general Kenobi, general antilles or craken (New republic)? They might be lesser generals, but if hux is on the list all bets are off.
Please tell me you're gonna use Grevious from Legends and not that damn 2008 series. DX
MRDLT00 well rip
7:09 For some reason i understood "british" instead of "brutish" (?) natur and it gave me the hardest laughflash i've had in a long time.
*Hux gets 0% of the votes*
"I love democracy."
General Kalani was an amazing general i think for the CIS. He was able to manipulate kingships and formulate key strategies against the odds, as well as his clarity and independence, seen when he didn’t allow the shut down Command of his droids believing it was a republic trick.
I feel like Veers was heavily inspired by Erwin Rommel
Erwin Rommel but more loyal
@@Maliq28 more loyola? you talking about how it's suspected that he was apart of the plot to kill hitler
@@nolandewell1102 yep
When not a single soul says a thing about veers and he wins the poll because you said hes the best
*shouts in Italian* General Kenobi!!!
@EckhartsLadder why is there a baby on screen in that shot of Hux and Phasma?
T-70 X-Wing VS E-Wing
All of them are great general except for hux he is a ragdoll. Great video
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Can you do a video about the 5 deadliest new republic ships in legends
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You and I both know the best general is lord helmet, and his widely feared 'spaceball one'
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Are you ECK? :3
No it's not him, he's not wearing a hat, he could be his twin though.
@@crustypaladin oh no i am his twin :3
That ending made my day!
I am curious how the jedi generals from the republic rank, and why they weren't included. And i wonder how anakin stacks up.
I think it's a little unfair to put Madine in second place when he was the last man standing and Veers was not. What does the cannon say that Veers was doing when Madine's teams brought down the Death Star shield generator?
#AskEck
Would you consider a video on which Star Wars faction has the best mainline starfighters? Are X-Wings better than ARC-170's? Are TIE Fighters worse than Vulture Droids? Also, if a Number 5 spot was added to this list, where would Grand General Tagge (Canon) be?
What a precious outro.