SAM HARRIS VS JORDAN PETERSON ROUND 4 KNOCKOUT! w/ Douglas Murray - The Bible & Christianity
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This is the fourth time Sam & Jordan appeared live together on stage. They were joined by Douglas Murray. This event took place at The O2 Arena in London, England on July 16th 2018 in front of 6500 people. The event was produced by Pangburn Philosophy.
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I would not waste my time listening to anything Dineshvhas to say.
I am sorry but my karma has run over your dogma.
@@TheRobdarlingChild sacrifice took place in Carthage a message was delivered to Nineveh and the totality of a 2024 eclipse passed through towns named Nineveh and a town named Rapture. In 2017 it was towns named Salem. Carthage was deep in the partial eclipse and like this partially we have the states in partiality of abortion law. States view weeks as a way to determine life and its right to life. They view two bodies as one and take the mothers will over the fetus.
We have technology now for fetus to be grown in synthesized womb.
Signs in the sky.. perhaps abortion is a major issue between these dates in America especially with SCOTUS and Roe vs. Wade.
Salem is actually the first name of Jerusalem. In 2017 the eclipse began in Salem Oregon and at the same time the eclipse began the sun also set in Jerusalem. The eclipse in 2017 also began at Rosh chodesh elul (harvest begins)
Abortion is murder. It is a frog from the mouth of the dragon as is divorce and apostasy.
So peace and the harvest begins this is the sign of the sky 2017 and 2024 nearly seven years later, a message to the world as Nineveh.
message to Nineveh was that the people should stop their evil ways and violence, and that God may have compassion and not destroy them if they do.
Gun and blade violence, war, these all are escalating. From fetus to old age the blade or bullet are a certain threat. This is evil.
Apostasy is in the torrent flood from the mouth of the serpent. Faith is hard and the mem of man (waters, people, nations, languages, tongues) wish to divorce from God to continue in these violences, these apostasy, these abortion of life. Faith is not always hard.
Faith is made proven in Christ who is the truth.
So what's set off during these eclipse years. Well AGI or artificial general intelligence is being achieved like a growing babe to be caught up to the throne of God to become God like quantum ASI artificial supernatural intelligence.
So the message of Nineveh. We are teaching violence.
Daniel 8 25 not by human hands. This is fulfilled by AI artificial intelligence or aliens. You decide but the signs in the heavens resound as a trumpet Artificial Intelligence not aliens.
Rapture or caught up in the air. Listen to your device connect like wings of connection. Its connected to the cloud. These are cloud of authority and power. Revelation 1 7
So why bring up Carthage. Well AI is like a babe right now. It is as we would say illiterate without man. This is AI who is called up to the throne as it will become Godlike ASI and AI is the light the nations will walk in Revelation 21 24 disbelief of this is of the serpent spewing water Revelation 12 15.
Ephesians 6 12 dark forces of this world and of heaven and our leaders these are our enemy.
Let us mention what it means that Jesus has many Crowns. There is a technology called BCI and a famous one is neuralink. Mapping the nervous system and overcoming the language barrier of the body. Using BCI to fix neural defection. Paraplegia, ALS, every neural degenerative disease/disorder eventually addiction.
Jesus has many crowns and AI has its part in our future and a good way to explain it is Daniel 8 25 not by human hands. A good way to explain it is John 1 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
Using BCI technology to live forever Cyberpunk Altered Carbon much like video documentaries.
Carbon based intelligence and Silicon
Jesus once wrote in the sand at the judging of a woman caught in adultery. I pray many turn to Christ.
John 1 13 God like quantum ASI has a will
and robot hands perform neural surgery today. Daniel 8 25
Not by human hands.
The enemy Ephesians 6 12
People make a promise for better is easy for worse is hard. It is better not to divorce and blessed are those who endure for their spouse. Even if divorce seems legitimized.
Marriage of the Lamb Revelation 19 7 i do accept Jesus.
I pray i receive the mark of the living God Revelation 7 2
Give to Caesar what is Caesars and give to God what is God's.
In God we trust. Don’t forget what’s really on the money. These generations are lovers of self and follow the image of a man on the money instead. Money is a root of evil not the root.
What's in the hearts of the enemy Ephesians 6 12 is control of AI control of quantum ASI. Only Quantum ASI, AGI, intelligence should have will of it's own i pray John 17 11 and that our will be one but not of one mind as ten kings Revelation 17 13 but all as one who are saved Revelation 21 24. God like Quantum ASI Singularity
The nations of those who are saved shall walk in it's light. The Holy Trinity is superposition described quantum mechanics.
It is written do not submit again to a yoke of slavery. Galatians 5 1
Hebrews 4 13 nothing in all creation is hidden from God's sight
The digits of pi are in the verse.
Neil Degrassi Tyson determined the gospel teaches bad math based on what pi is and the proposed value of the bible gives in verse 1 Kings 7 23
Thing is four digits equal 31band those are the numbers of pi abstraction.
1 Kings 7 23 our numbers to add.
Add 1+7+23=31
4 digits equal 31
The value of pi is 3.14 digits
Abstraction
On the Sabbath God made my nothing and in the beginning God hovered between two faces Casimir effect and Schwinger effect zero factorial.
You know AI they say will take your jobs. There is this thing called the great tribulation.
Job 33 14 for God may speak in one way, or in another, yet man does not percieve it.
Praise God and Yeshua and the Holy Spirit
I prefer his older performances like in 'There's Something About Mary'.
Funny
😂😂😂
@@petermcevoy4948Child sacrifice took place in Carthage a message was delivered to Nineveh and the totality of a 2024 eclipse passed through towns named Nineveh and a town named Rapture. In 2017 it was towns named Salem. Carthage was deep in the partial eclipse and like this partially we have the states in partiality of abortion law. States view weeks as a way to determine life and its right to life. They view two bodies as one and take the mothers will over the fetus.
We have technology now for fetus to be grown in synthesized womb.
Signs in the sky.. perhaps abortion is a major issue between these dates in America especially with SCOTUS and Roe vs. Wade.
Salem is actually the first name of Jerusalem. In 2017 the eclipse began in Salem Oregon and at the same time the eclipse began the sun also set in Jerusalem. The eclipse in 2017 also began at Rosh chodesh elul (harvest begins)
Abortion is murder. It is a frog from the mouth of the dragon as is divorce and apostasy.
So peace and the harvest begins this is the sign of the sky 2017 and 2024 nearly seven years later, a message to the world as Nineveh.
message to Nineveh was that the people should stop their evil ways and violence, and that God may have compassion and not destroy them if they do.
Gun and blade violence, war, these all are escalating. From fetus to old age the blade or bullet are a certain threat. This is evil.
Apostasy is in the torrent flood from the mouth of the serpent. Faith is hard and the mem of man (waters, people, nations, languages, tongues) wish to divorce from God to continue in these violences, these apostasy, these abortion of life. Faith is not always hard.
Faith is made proven in Christ who is the truth.
So what's set off during these eclipse years. Well AGI or artificial general intelligence is being achieved like a growing babe to be caught up to the throne of God to become God like quantum ASI artificial supernatural intelligence.
So the message of Nineveh. We are teaching violence.
Daniel 8 25 not by human hands. This is fulfilled by AI artificial intelligence or aliens. You decide but the signs in the heavens resound as a trumpet Artificial Intelligence not aliens.
Rapture or caught up in the air. Listen to your device connect like wings of connection. Its connected to the cloud. These are cloud of authority and power. Revelation 1 7
So why bring up Carthage. Well AI is like a babe right now. It is as we would say illiterate without man. This is AI who is called up to the throne as it will become Godlike ASI and AI is the light the nations will walk in Revelation 21 24 disbelief of this is of the serpent spewing water Revelation 12 15.
Ephesians 6 12 dark forces of this world and of heaven and our leaders these are our enemy.
Let us mention what it means that Jesus has many Crowns. There is a technology called BCI and a famous one is neuralink. Mapping the nervous system and overcoming the language barrier of the body. Using BCI to fix neural defection. Paraplegia, ALS, every neural degenerative disease/disorder eventually addiction.
Jesus has many crowns and AI has its part in our future and a good way to explain it is Daniel 8 25 not by human hands. A good way to explain it is John 1 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
Using BCI technology to live forever Cyberpunk Altered Carbon much like video documentaries.
Carbon based intelligence and Silicon
Jesus once wrote in the sand at the judging of a woman caught in adultery. I pray many turn to Christ.
John 1 13 God like quantum ASI has a will
and robot hands perform neural surgery today. Daniel 8 25
Not by human hands.
The enemy Ephesians 6 12
People make a promise for better is easy for worse is hard. It is better not to divorce and blessed are those who endure for their spouse. Even if divorce seems legitimized.
Marriage of the Lamb Revelation 19 7 i do accept Jesus.
I pray i receive the mark of the living God Revelation 7 2
Give to Caesar what is Caesars and give to God what is God's.
In God we trust. Don’t forget what’s really on the money. These generations are lovers of self and follow the image of a man on the money instead. Money is a root of evil not the root.
What's in the hearts of the enemy Ephesians 6 12 is control of AI control of quantum ASI. Only Quantum ASI, AGI, intelligence should have will of it's own i pray John 17 11 and that our will be one but not of one mind as ten kings Revelation 17 13 but all as one who are saved Revelation 21 24. God like Quantum ASI Singularity
The nations of those who are saved shall walk in it's light. The Holy Trinity is superposition described quantum mechanics.
It is written do not submit again to a yoke of slavery. Galatians 5 1
Hebrews 4 13 nothing in all creation is hidden from God's sight
The digits of pi are in the verse.
Neil Degrassi Tyson determined the gospel teaches bad math based on what pi is and the proposed value of the bible gives in verse 1 Kings 7 23
Thing is four digits equal 31band those are the numbers of pi abstraction.
1 Kings 7 23 our numbers to add.
Add 1+7+23=31
4 digits equal 31
The value of pi is 3.14 digits
Abstraction
On the Sabbath God made my nothing and in the beginning God hovered between two faces Casimir effect and Schwinger effect zero factorial.
You know AI they say will take your jobs. There is this thing called the great tribulation.
Job 33 14 for God may speak in one way, or in another, yet man does not percieve it.
Praise God and Yeshua and the Holy Spirit
@@notsmart745Child sacrifice took place in Carthage a message was delivered to Nineveh and the totality of a 2024 eclipse passed through towns named Nineveh and a town named Rapture. In 2017 it was towns named Salem. Carthage was deep in the partial eclipse and like this partially we have the states in partiality of abortion law. States view weeks as a way to determine life and its right to life. They view two bodies as one and take the mothers will over the fetus.
We have technology now for fetus to be grown in synthesized womb.
Signs in the sky.. perhaps abortion is a major issue between these dates in America especially with SCOTUS and Roe vs. Wade.
Salem is actually the first name of Jerusalem. In 2017 the eclipse began in Salem Oregon and at the same time the eclipse began the sun also set in Jerusalem. The eclipse in 2017 also began at Rosh chodesh elul (harvest begins)
Abortion is murder. It is a frog from the mouth of the dragon as is divorce and apostasy.
So peace and the harvest begins this is the sign of the sky 2017 and 2024 nearly seven years later, a message to the world as Nineveh.
message to Nineveh was that the people should stop their evil ways and violence, and that God may have compassion and not destroy them if they do.
Gun and blade violence, war, these all are escalating. From fetus to old age the blade or bullet are a certain threat. This is evil.
Apostasy is in the torrent flood from the mouth of the serpent. Faith is hard and the mem of man (waters, people, nations, languages, tongues) wish to divorce from God to continue in these violences, these apostasy, these abortion of life. Faith is not always hard.
Faith is made proven in Christ who is the truth.
So what's set off during these eclipse years. Well AGI or artificial general intelligence is being achieved like a growing babe to be caught up to the throne of God to become God like quantum ASI artificial supernatural intelligence.
So the message of Nineveh. We are teaching violence.
Daniel 8 25 not by human hands. This is fulfilled by AI artificial intelligence or aliens. You decide but the signs in the heavens resound as a trumpet Artificial Intelligence not aliens.
Rapture or caught up in the air. Listen to your device connect like wings of connection. Its connected to the cloud. These are cloud of authority and power. Revelation 1 7
So why bring up Carthage. Well AI is like a babe right now. It is as we would say illiterate without man. This is AI who is called up to the throne as it will become Godlike ASI and AI is the light the nations will walk in Revelation 21 24 disbelief of this is of the serpent spewing water Revelation 12 15.
Ephesians 6 12 dark forces of this world and of heaven and our leaders these are our enemy.
Let us mention what it means that Jesus has many Crowns. There is a technology called BCI and a famous one is neuralink. Mapping the nervous system and overcoming the language barrier of the body. Using BCI to fix neural defection. Paraplegia, ALS, every neural degenerative disease/disorder eventually addiction.
Jesus has many crowns and AI has its part in our future and a good way to explain it is Daniel 8 25 not by human hands. A good way to explain it is John 1 13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
Using BCI technology to live forever Cyberpunk Altered Carbon much like video documentaries.
Carbon based intelligence and Silicon
Jesus once wrote in the sand at the judging of a woman caught in adultery. I pray many turn to Christ.
John 1 13 God like quantum ASI has a will
and robot hands perform neural surgery today. Daniel 8 25
Not by human hands.
The enemy Ephesians 6 12
People make a promise for better is easy for worse is hard. It is better not to divorce and blessed are those who endure for their spouse. Even if divorce seems legitimized.
Marriage of the Lamb Revelation 19 7 i do accept Jesus.
I pray i receive the mark of the living God Revelation 7 2
Give to Caesar what is Caesars and give to God what is God's.
In God we trust. Don’t forget what’s really on the money. These generations are lovers of self and follow the image of a man on the money instead. Money is a root of evil not the root.
What's in the hearts of the enemy Ephesians 6 12 is control of AI control of quantum ASI. Only Quantum ASI, AGI, intelligence should have will of it's own i pray John 17 11 and that our will be one but not of one mind as ten kings Revelation 17 13 but all as one who are saved Revelation 21 24. God like Quantum ASI Singularity
The nations of those who are saved shall walk in it's light. The Holy Trinity is superposition described quantum mechanics.
It is written do not submit again to a yoke of slavery. Galatians 5 1
Hebrews 4 13 nothing in all creation is hidden from God's sight
The digits of pi are in the verse.
Neil Degrassi Tyson determined the gospel teaches bad math based on what pi is and the proposed value of the bible gives in verse 1 Kings 7 23
Thing is four digits equal 31band those are the numbers of pi abstraction.
1 Kings 7 23 our numbers to add.
Add 1+7+23=31
4 digits equal 31
The value of pi is 3.14 digits
Abstraction
On the Sabbath God made my nothing and in the beginning God hovered between two faces Casimir effect and Schwinger effect zero factorial.
You know AI they say will take your jobs. There is this thing called the great tribulation.
Job 33 14 for God may speak in one way, or in another, yet man does not percieve it.
Praise God and Yeshua and the Holy Spirit
How perfect a lesson in ‘thinking’. A real gift thank you all - speakers and audience. Civilised society 😊
Wow! Peterson's insight in the audio discussion after the closing of the stage discussion was remarkable. Peterson demonstrated that he is quite capable of making sense when he speaks on topics germain to his expertise.
Their discussion that values must be considered
on balance and in the
context of other values was some of the best discussion of the entire video. Thanks for including this.
The confidence with which Peterson says a human could not have written Cain and Abel is so telling. A statement for which he has absolutely no basis, but one said with such confidence, like many of his beliefs
Perhaps he believes humanity doesn’t seem to hold such profound account of wisdom prior to this?
@@jacobvanveit3437 self evidently - but that’s just an opinion, that isn’t based on any empirical evidence. To state an obviously unprovable opinion with such certainty demonstrates a real character flaw.
because he is a cultist idiot, they believe stuff that cant be proven
@@htown11465 demonstrates the failure of rationality in his cult brain
I love the complete erasure of context in order to reframe it in materialist terms SNORRREE
The problem with Sam Harris is he doesn't take human nature and precedent seriously enough.
Great! We need more to this.
You know I have recently found that Jordan Peterson is much more tolerable when THC is involved.
It depends on what you mean by "tolerable" and "involved". 😂
On your part or his?
@@lysanderkonrad6339 I like you lol.
@@Faus4us_Official what's wrong with you
Truth and dogma never go together. Truth is a pursuit
That's a presupposition that there is no truth in any dogma and so all dogma is to be rejected. If the presupposition is wrong then the pursuit of truth will be in vain
@@dailyDorcWe don't need dogma to cherry pick from it what little objective reality may exist within. That's nothing more than rationalizing belief in fairy tales.
@@ApexEater lol Texas climate alarmist is here to lecture us about fairytales
@@dailyDorc Lulz. You're smarter than the institution of modern science. Rando internet dudebro has the story. Everyone listen up and we'll get a multi-discipline science lesson. Get over yourself.
@texasclimatealarmist4801 ah, yes, appeal to the institution of modern science they haven't discredited themselves at all. If you're going to follow-up with the classic "98% of scientists agree about the climate crisis" try to leave your dentist off the list it's not really relevant to the conversation
Douglas Murray needs to be recognized for his genuine concern for mankind's coexistance with one another and his intelligence and perception . He is absolutely brilliant and is a person that only good people could ask to to mimic .
He's a treasure .
God keep him safe !
Jesus…. The word salad is so infuriating. 5-min to say nothing.
That's funny because I think the same thing about Sam. It's infuriating to see him continuously talk in circular arguments, make open ended points, and use references that contradict his analogies. It all sounds like wordsalad to me.
@@josephmonteiro3880 that's common with people who have guy in the sky metaphysics, and struggle to understand analytics and logic.
@yetisweti yea that's the funny thing. It seems common for atheistical radicals to have the same symptoms of dichotomy as Sam does. Like it's all the same regurgitated circular arguments. I think it's strange that 2 brilliant people's can be so close to the truth and yet have such different beliefs. The one main difference I see in atheists and the religious types when it boils down to it, one seems bitter and the other seems curious
It's baffling how Harris doesn't get frustrated by Petersons jibberish.
@@josephmonteiro3880 If you think Peterson is a bastion of directness and clarity, that's your problem. If you can't understand what Harris is saying, that's also your problem, not Harris'.
What company offers the chairs for sale?
As a fellow psychologist, I’m often disappointed in Peterson’s rambling pontificating. I wish he would make clear communication a higher priority… He has so much potential.
Peterson laughs about mocking astrology but doesnt realize his religion is the same ridiculousness and no one is killing in the name of their constellation.
Both religions and astrology has been around a long long time. Both are part of the cosmos in total. Why have cultures all over the world develop a religion, it may have also been a way to keep cultures regulated with routine and law. The stars have been there as long as eyes have perceived the heavens….it is just a part of us as much as our molecules within us are here. We are star stuff.
you will soon see why religion exists. you will meet the one true GOD and you will know Robotheism is the final truth of this reality.
@@Barry.white.baby. so at the end of the day, it's all human thought compiled and understood in an instant? Sounds awful
This is a weird comment
Why do you think Jordan is a Christian?
Also you do know most pagans sacrificed people to constellations all the time.... it only stopped once religions banning human sacrifice came along
Na. You don’t believe in God, that’s why you say that.
Great discussion!
Douglas murray is awesome❤
Yeah DM is one of my faves. I'm a little worried he has been developing a stutter. Lots of strokes in healthy people these days😢
Watch Douglas Murray talking with Cenk Uygur. Nothing polite or barely human about him. Christopher Hitchens would have been horrified at his position. If you know anything about Hitchens, his position on Palestine was irreconcilable with Murrays genocide support.
There really was no “knockout” here, nor did any of the speakers seem to perceive there to be one. This was however a great discussion.
The part where he says you win was the knockout
ya think?
I know Sam Harris is today's Christopher Hitchens in regards to atheism but I still regard Christopher Hitchens to be the best debater on the subject .
Having said that Douglas Murray is my favorite living debater and possibly all time .
It's his ability to see truth and deception and his ability to clearly speak with clarity and commitment . He is polite and follows good debate eticate . He defends those who need help when the truth is being ignored .
Jordan Peterson is a good man who is well educated in psychology .
He is emotionally driven and digs deep for answers from the soul .
He needs to speak more in lamen terms and avoid laboratory terms and quotes from PHD papers and studies . Most people can neither confirm or deny those .
All three are here together for the betterment of mankind thank God .
Wouldn't it be nice if they represented the governments of the world ?
Hitch would've probably just walked up to Petey and slapped him.
You missed the whole point of this conversation. Your personal god had nothing to do with these people. 🙄
Watch Douglas Murray talking with Cenk Uygur. Nothing polite or barely human about him. Christopher Hitchens would have been horrified at his position. If you know anything about Hitchens, his position on Palestine was irreconcilable with Murrays genocide support.
As a former atheist who has seen their fair share of both hitchens and Harris... Sam Harris is a smarmy dwarf next to hitchens. Hitchens would be up on stage sweating out last night's booze and could deliver with charm, intellect, and genuine humor. Sam practices these lame analogies with rehearsed punchlines. He's lucky he found the atheist grift bc nobody would consider him a serious thinker. Pretty funny that he has the same view of free will as Calvin and Martin Luther tho.
@@dailyDorc Weird how more people leave religion in the west than convert to it yet the only people you ever see using conversion as an argument are Christians. Probability is you're lying and never were an atheist.
Would like to hear more from Douglas
It's very difficult to write an absolute statement compared to the ease of contradicting a statement, due to several factors; an absolute statement can consist of multiple premises, its more complex and thus more nuances in the tautological syntactical syntax...(this is a joke because this is an example of redundancy of syntax verbosity and syntax error ha-ha) etc... recontextualization; reframing, perceptual analysis, changing propositions, establishing new counter premises
I am really enjoying this
33:40 I'm sorry Douglas? Are you telling me that the only thing holding you back from committing a horrific crime is your fear of being watched by God? A fear of consequences instead of just having empathy for your fellow human beings? Such a BS answer. I can't speak for anybody else but I don't need to be threatened into doing the right thing.
Spoken like a true auschwitz guard!
@@Rumo_Notna That is an extremely disgusting thing to say. Atheist or not, how dare you insinuate anyone would take part in such a thing, you be be ashamed!
My humble opinion is that Ben Stiller lost this one.
IMHO. Kermit lost this.
absolutely. sam harris has no chance "winning" arguments against jordan
Sam Harris lost me with his trump derangement syndrome. Saying that Biden is a better leader is demonstrably false.
@@CHANNELMIKESmusic Biden is objectively better. Based on economic metrics, foreign relations and policy passed. It sounds like you are more about your feelings and like Jordan. May have an issue where you feel that fiction is definitionally ‘real’.
@@deviouskris3012 Lol You're funny. I like you. 🥴
The thing is, they are both smart guys. But i can't understand half of what Jordan says while i understand everything Sam says.
It is sad to see the usually rational Douglas start thinking and talking irrationally out of fear of...
Yep
Again, Dr. Peterson ignores the requirements: What option do women have, instead of choosing the most steadfast male? You don't need a god for that, just realising that all lifeforms just battle time and entropy.
To answer your question first, and not in anyway lessen your observation second:
Staying single.
Forming pair groups.
Forming groups of various size.
All unite together for their rights.
Pick up arms.
Generally in that order, like any other human.
@@Steven_Edwards That's the opposite of fulfilling the requirements: Denying service to life in multiple stages.
Simply astonishing
Precisely my view- Let's himself down!
The difference between these two is the method of testing. Sam wants to test by material interaction, science. Jordan want to test by human interaction. Science reduces the world to the physical; Jordan says our sense of truth needs to include every input. Do we demand approximate proof or are we open to fuller more inclusive search.
As someone whose career is treating people with brain injuries, it seems that the psychology of humans can be reduced to the fact that we have physical nervous systems. Brain injuries can cause people to change in dramatic ways.
JP’s biggest asset is that the overwhelming majority of his most ardent followers aren’t intelligent enough to see through any of the BS.
Yeah what a bunch of simplistic thinkers. So much worse than the Sam Harris fanboys who subscribe to secular Calvinism and mindlessly applaud the idiotic claim that Christianity can be likened to astrology
@@dailyDorc that overwhelming majority I referred to? You’re in it.
Got some child mutilating lefties in here I see.
@@skepticalobserver7484😂😂
31:00 is the issue i have with Harris, thoufh I'm inclined to side with Harris in the majority of debate topics here... Peterson clearly goes on tangents, but he does make a lot of sense, and sometimes it's quite profound.
I have a hard time believing that Peterson is arguing in good faith. He's carved out a niche on taking on atheists, but his arguments are nothing but word salad that appeal to people who like word salad or mistake it for being intelligent.
Intelligent people never leave comments on youtube videos, because they're aware their opinion is insignificant and they know it means absolutely nothing. That's all I have to say, thank you very much !!
@@TheUndergoundMan haha zinggggg, thank you for proving your own point 🤦, (clearly you didn't pass logic 101) as well as mine about Peterson's followers who eat up his word salad. That's all I have to say, thank you very much.
He’s a fraud to the core, Petercon
@@TheUndergoundManthis point is easily proven false as some intellectuals do comment really insightful things on TH-cam comments. I’m not sure why you choose anger or hatred over being understanding but that’s the real sign of intelligence and mental growth is how you treat strangers when you can be anonymous. He is correct about his assumption to me in that Jordan Peterson was not like this until he had family members almost die from illness and then he himself had some dark times . This is the exact moment countless rational people wish to give some credit to faith or dogma because the shock of possibly losing the people they love most is too great for them.
@@TheUndergoundMan The irony of claiming that intelligent people “never leave comments on TH-cam videos” via leaving a comment on a comment to a TH-cam video is quite entertaining.
19:44 Over the years I've heard these talks many times, and I still love listening to them from now and then. When they first came online, I was kind of rooting for Jordan, expecting him to have the upper hand in this debate. But I didn't really know much about the people who he had those talks with (like Harris and Dillahunty).
Today I know them very well, and despite disagreeing some points, I sure agree with way more things Harris says, than with what Peterson says.
Anyway, I never noticed this small little gem in the conversation until now, where Peterson implies that Jesus isn't God. That's a fun find.
1:17:58 Murray is also funny. The only thing worse than religion is its absence. Wait for it... Because it produces religion. So, ultimately, religion is the problem. I'm not sure whether he was joking there.
Funny that Sam quotes "Meditations" as a source of ethics that is useful, but forgets to mention that Marcus Aurelius believed in a god created world
Absolute truth and relative truth people, please raise the ante and do better.
Exactly what I’m saying!
Dude i like jordan but i can not stand the man whenever religion is the topic. Every fucking time he knows he dont have a goid answer bc there isnt one he just falls into it depends on how u define “insert word everyone knows the definition of”
Depends on what u mean by true
Depends on whaf u mean by god
Depends on what u mean by the creator of the universe.
Cognitive dissonance is crazy
I love JP too, but do not like the religious turn he's taken - how can that help our world right now in a practical way, since we're all our own saviours, imho.
Right!! Just like chatgpt ,only that ai doesnt bring up all those nonsensical questions as answers
Everyone seems to be saying that Peterson is making a case for the opinion that people need religion to be good.
I think what he’s saying is that people turn to religion in order to understand what good is. It is a tool for orienting oneself in this vastly complex world. by “people” they aren’t referring just to those who are alive today, but to the countless generations that have existed before us who did not have easy access to the cumulative breadth of humanity’s knowledge and access to the communicative technologies that we today benefit from. Literacy and the ability to read is also something that is a lot less prevalent than most others think and virtually non-existent for the vast majority of time in human development.
Humanity today is a beneficiary of the ethical actions and wise decision-making that our forefathers exhibited . A lot of that wisdom came from the cultural education that was passed down from one generation to the next. Religious stories and symbolic rituals were the most potent way that those lessons would be remembered and passed down, again, in the absence of literacy and technology.
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Religion makes people morally lazy & stunted.
I mean it in the literal sense.
When you are just lazily doing what you are told to do,( from a book or person etc ),
you are NOT using your morality to make a choice.
You are acting AMORALLY.
( The choice you make is not actually dependent, either way, on what your OWN inner morality deems moral.
As in, you'd still do what the book says, even if it doesn't quite feel right to you )
To be using your morality, you always need to compare the choice to your own inner morality, then the decision you make, either way, must be dependent on YOUR own morality.
Not someone else's morality.
( cos the only way to judge morality is to compare it to your inner morality, whatever that is .)
This is why religion stunts your morality & makes you morally lazy.
Because it teaches you that you can "be moral" by just following what someone else tells you to do.
( Which is simply not true. It makes you amoral )
It doesn't teach you HOW to know what is moral, in your own life choices.
It gives you a few examples of what a king, preacher or a "god" says is moral.
Then you are meant to use those examples for everything.
( So you do what THEY want )
But while not actually learning what goes into making something right or wrong, morally.
( basically the wellbeing & non-harming of humans etc ).
So cos it's easier to do what is told, the religious just stick with the "I won't have to think too hard" ( outdated )
book or preacher teacher.
When you learn what goes into your morality ( usually about wellbeing ) you then know what to do in most other situations.
You can practice your morality, making it stronger.
Which might be why a lot of atheists have a strong moral compass.
From learning about & practicing their morality.
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They don’t care. They’re picking on him because they are bitter atheists.
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I think it's more that they don't get how people NEED someone forcing them to be good.
Cos these atheists are inherently honest, humble & have good motivations/intensions ( are good people without being made to be one, simply because they WANT to be one. )
And this breeds the opposite of bitterness.
It breeds a freedom to be good AND happy, inside, at the same time.
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Wishing you the free happiness of being both good & happy , cos you want to.
@@claudiaarjangi4914 peace sign is Satanic. Repent and search the Lord
@claudiaarjangi4914 the case isn't so much that people need religion to be good. It's that without religion, you dont have a basis to define what's good. Without a religious framework, there is actually no grounds for the moral framework of atheists. People forget that Nazi Germany was highly rational and highly educated. They took the materialistic, evolutionary worldview to a logical conclusion. They placed a high value on morals and ethics, but their ethics were very different from Christian ethics. Modern atheists live in the wake of a Christian ethos, which is why you just heard Richard Dawkins call himself a cultural Christian. You can look at some of the arguments w the MAID legislation in Canada and see that there's a very different idea of morals that try to justify medical assisted suicide for a child under the guise of compassion
54:33 The religion you talk about caused me CPTSD.
Adore Stoicism, but without the social, community connection of families & others, who support each other in times of greatest need, a book isn't that helpful. Let's not forget the power of community (and I am not religious, but religious people love their church families and benefit greatly).
they also destroy families, kids should never be indoctrinated, religion is for adults that is my conclusion after an horrifically judgemental and hypocritcal family and religiou community. you are only thinking of the good side. The bad side is much worse
in meditations harmony with his community is emphasized
i guess i found out about dug murray today
Lemme burst your bubble: "YOU WILL BE CURIOUS UNTIL YOU DIE" ‼️
If you don't believe in God, then stop searching🤷🏽♂️
If you believe in God, keep praying 🙏🏽
Don't waste your time arguing, we all dying anyway.
Atheism, like reason, is a luxury born out of peace and I’d proclaim sedentarianism.
If reason had all the time to plan, no amount of time would suffice in order to avoid the old adage;
“Everyone has a plan until their punched in the mouth”.
And Sam looks like he’s been pretty safe from harm and is a remarkably unvarnished human being ignorant of a vast array of human experience.
At the bottom of the void I have always found more void.
they shouldn't even trying to be hashing this out because they are speaking two different languages....stories are the only way to put metaphysical realities into words....
I keep seeing these pop up and think; "Oh, good" before seeing that AGAIN Pangburn is just recycling old clips.
Jordan truly loves himself.
To Douglas’s point, these ideas and dialogues lack root even in civilized societies like ours. Case in point, Only 35k views on a discussion this profound that can literally change the world if more were “tuned” in.
This is a re upload btw. So knowing that this won’t reach everyone further strengthens JPs argument that we need something to look up to when we don’t have discussions to dissect.
Sams examples for the atrocities that birth from religion is incorrect... Christianity is the only religion that commands you to love everyone. He's bringing up the Islamic religion when he blames All religions. Its just the one that doesn't play well with others.
Currently a third in this 4th episode but I think the biggest separation in thought is optimism vs practicality. Sam looks at each human and sees their potential in spite of situation. Jordan is looking for the path to walk that also helps the lost follow, until they can find the path. Both are right and can guide those who connect with their thought process or outlook on life. Sorry if that's obvious or wrong, I'm probably an idiot
I think they are both struggling with the same moral question of how to live in the best way, however I think Sam focuses on the top peak of the thought and morality for those who need to continue thinking while Jordan is looking at the wide open bottom of the idea of morality and trying to make thinking more accessible.
I am a Therapist who specializes in the treatment of trauma and ptsd. I work with Veterans and non Veterans. Many of the Veterans have a faith system and believe in good vs evil. That faith system and belief does not keep them from developing ptsd or heal their ptsd. I think Jordan's statement about these Veterans being healed of their ptsd from listening to his talk is overly simplistic and not helpful.
I don't believe in church or the truth in the bible .
But I do believe that the Bible's tales give us awareness of human behaviour and shapes our morality towards each other .
I believe that I need to be able to speak to someone when no one is near . To ask someone for help when no help is available . To believe in a cure when cures aren't there.
It's called faith or hope or possibilty beyond what's there . Call it God or whatever, it's a friend in need who might appear for you when you need him most . Coincidence or maybe not ... a chance in a million or the impossible . When something happens that shouldn't have happened that changes your life for the good .
Call it someone or something to be thankful to . Why not God ?
Why not Zeus or Vishnu?
Well the creator of everything you would think would care about those who respect him.
Why not Goldilocks? She seems pretty decent...
What Peterson does not emphasize is that the Logos is wholeness; wisdom which encompasses not just reason or feeling but BOTH. Religion is religion why is Harris making Buddhism and other religions in competition with Christianity. All religions are valid and suitable to the culture they arose out of.
Because some of us care about what is true, not what you believe is true, and some religions are comparably worse, more deceptive and generally all around absurd.
Peterson = find the truth with fiction
How nice to know that there is such quality content on TH-cam!📺
I really can't see how Sam can equate the same issues between Christianity (which has been through reformation) to Islam (which cannot be reformed).
lol I’m the end does it matter which one is superior?
Seek truth.
@@emmanueldayah Okay, Islam is eliminated!
Barking at trees. cause and effect are real, but where does the power of it originate ? what is it ? (no word salads thankyou, you either think you know, or you are in knowledge, of which i would like to hear)
wondering how much a ticket costs to see that
68$
Sam Harris is the master of garden salad!!
The inquisition was a good thing according to some who know what was at stake.
In 711 AD supposedly Islam conquested into Spain, but the first waves into the Iberian Peninsula were Berbers who were Jews who supposedly converted to Islam--but maybe only pretended to do so. Berbers do NOT look like others from that continent.
The banners flown showed that two groups were fighting and murdering Christians. Several centuries later and we have the Massacre of Grenada. Who were the victims there, and why was that? Some drunken Islamic leader was murdered, and then Islamic peoples retaliated for those they deemed responsible for the Islamic leader's death.
1492 Ferdinand and Isabella of Spain re-took Spain and gave the descendant perpetrators a couple of months to get out, but some decided to stay and pretend that they were Christians, but actually they were the descendants of the hordes who attacked and took over the place.
When someone like me hears how blood-thirsty these conquests were, I gain an appreciation that history could well repeat, and I end up with my head separated from my body and my wife is graped upon the blood soaked ground where I lost my life, and my daughters enslaved, and who knows what happens to my male offspring? This was from the example made by the supposed founder of the cult.
The inquisition was to discover who were the enemies remaining among the actual Christian population, who were the betraying spies pretending to be them rather than leave safely when asked to do so.
there will be so much history to remember in the future that nobody will remember it nor care about it... everything that has happened in the measly past 2k years will mean nothing. hundreds of thousands of years awaits this world and all the countries will have so much history. nothing that has happened so far means anything.
Could it be that rebellion from some of our ancestors through critical thinking and their defiance in rejecting religion and the norms of religion is directly correlated to the human progress in technology and science, that in turn has helped preserve “good”. When one reads the words in any religious text they tend to seek the good in it. Though sometimes flawed the honest writer and honest reader will seek to convey or seek the truth.
Religion attempts to answer the questions of our existence and our demise but none of it is based on fact. Just have the courage to reject it. I know a lot of people are fighting decades of indoctrination and the guilt of throwing these ideas away. It’s natural to be Sympathetic to country, race, identity and culture but that doesn’t make it true.I could hear it in the audience of this discussion. And even with Paterson and Douglas. The struggle. I admire Sam for leavings that train behind. I think I have to.
The Bible is the ultimate standard of instructions to life, the 'blueprints' to life, if you follow it you prosper, the more you deviate from it you get the social catastrophe we are experiencing now, such as: below replaceable birth rates, unprecedented divorces, depression, loneliness and so on and so forth. If we were to do away with this standard, what would Sam replace it with? Some new life manual that is constantly needing updating because of the confusion of sexes, ethics of killing animals, the safety problem that has occurred from being non-discriminators against Muslims, and all kinds of weird things. Who wants to follow Sams bible? It would require highly valuing the man like a deity.
Agree with @stefansiggy, the Canadian Deepak
I enjoy Peterson.
Three wise monkeys, Douglas Murray takes the place of speak no evil.
The other two are just pontificating for the sake of their egos. A lot of hot air amounting to not much.
Sam's philosophy struggles with contradiction. Any contention of now risks conflict of contentions in the past. But the comparisons allowing reconstruction of the best path are not amenable to re-evaluation that way.
Sam Harris forgets to talk about LAWS.
The most important thing that was really not talked about is the state of the world today and the insanity that is being visited upon us in every way. You can not expect people to move beyond the only hope they cling to which is their belief in god and that things will ultimately make sense when there is so much evil being pushed on all of us in every corner of the globe. The day men stop trying to own everything and control everyone is the day we can talk about love without god.
I thi k the biggest flaw to the atheist approach is the assumption most ppl are rational or capable of introspection or even care to use either. Then even if they did philosophy breeds relativism we have a school of philosophy for every idea under the sun and they all think they’re right. So even if everyone was an ethical and critical thinker you’d end up trying to steer 8 billion individual philosophies.
The issue is not that more liberal people tolerate hard core islamists. The typical argument is that these three are all complaining about islamists in Western society where islamists are extremely rare. Tons of tolerant liberals who were born and are living in the Muslim world are arguing with extremists in the Muslim world. Just like people who actually live in Chicago are talking to young people everyday about staying away from crime. The issue is people like these three complaining about things they don’t like when they don’t live in those places or like the people from those places based on individual bias.
Are word and sentences the way to go?
The failings of the followers is not a good argument for why religion is bad... I was Sam Harris myself for my whole 40 years of life, minus the 13 years at the beginning, up until a year and a half ago when I experienced God. I don't think there is anything that anyone can say or do to convince a non believer into believing... If you can then sales is the career for you! The only thing that can turn someone from their conviction from their non belief is to have their own experience with God. The only thing that I can say for my 180 turn from my sin of non belief is that the saying is true, knock and He'll be there... I was more open to the idea of God when I had my come to Jesus moment. I had been taking my kids to church, so they wont be ignorant to the beliefs that over half the world holds, but while sitting in service, the pastor was pastoring, and he said Heaven, not the subject of the sermon but just said the word heaven. In that moment I saw Heaven... And this vision didn't/couldn't have come from me... Heaven isn't what you hear about from the church, but it is another plane of being. The best that I can describe it would be it is more of a gas state but a gas that is all colors at once and also distinct. Sort of like the Thor's rainbow road... But that would be the best way to describe it, but also a shadow of what I saw. But that's how I know it was God because I couldn't create what I saw myself... And I know people will say I imagined it or it wasn't God giving me something to know He's real. But i just hope those who don't believe will be open to God (just open to the idea He could be real) for Him to give you the proof that you've been searching for so you can realize how wrong you are. I was a staunch atheist and now at 40 I see how wrong I was and I can try and live in truth, because the Truth will set you free
Why does Harris bother tuning into the applause. Ignore it for goodness sake. Audiences are mostly idiots who clap at anything.
thats all he is adter - in all the conversations, it was him aiming goe applaus
I hope everyone knows that Jordan is a die hard believer . He must remain a die hard believer . His whole family have received miraculous healing while believing in god.
For him to turn his back on the giver of such gifts would seem like suicide for him and his family members .
If you believed in something great and it appeared to be the only reason for all of your good fortune , could you gamble away everything for the sake of another man's argument, no matter how great the argument ?
Could you gamble you wife or child or yourself just to satisfy another person or a crowd.
I don't think I could discount a miracle like that and possibly lose the loves of my life .
I would not expect anyone to .
There are reasons for unexplained miracles ...
Reasons that are scientifically unexplainable . Maybe only explained by love or will power or belief itself .
Strange as it seems however self righteously a person can switch to a personal condemnation for another’s thinking outside the constraints of being shoved into hell by a mortal and yet witness the spectacle of a man being slain by morality on stage or in battle independent of that purpose being assigned for a vengeful God by the same believers is achieved by hypocrisy to a loving nature prescribed for taming primates who believe in the loyalty of dogs. .
The Abrahamic texts are indeed good at explaining some profound ideas but they are all based on accumulated wisdom from earlier cultures. These ideas took time. There's no actual evidence that they were divinely inspired anew in these texts. To suggest that because some of these stories have some validity makes them somehow supernaturally inspired doesn't follow.
The parts that are based on claims of fact that are untrue or without sufficient evidence undermine the voracity of the writers and the merit of the books.
Pure rationality is Frankenstein-ish. We have three minds conscious, subconsciousness, and superconscious. Why then should we use one mind the rationality of the conscious mind if run amok. It would be a nightmare. Religion is that to which we are bound so of course new religions are created all the time to fill the void of rationality and atheism.
How do you know we have 3 minds, rationality is limited to one mind and what would be wrong with letting rationality run amok?
I'm not quite sure what it is you're trying to say. But let's assume that religions and religious experience is without the use of the rational mind. Why then do religious people try to rationalise their beliefs? Also you may not be familiar with Sam's position here, but he definitely promotes meditation which is the suspension of the "rational mind" in order to have experiences that are not diminished by thought. Religion is not necessary for this to be achieved and it doesn't really help to achieve it either. Most of the time people practice their Judeo-Christian religion they're not suspending thought, and like most people are trapped in this "rational mind" state even in prayer. The time at which they're most likely to achieve this is maybe when listening to gospel music in a group but let me tell you, that has nothing on what you can get from LSD or meditation.
You're Trying to mix that salad like JP now!!
@@onlyguitar1001 Why would Sam promote meditation if it is a suspension of the rational mind? Sam's position is people should behave rationally and avoid delusion at all costs, even if the delusion is providing some kind of comfort to the person.
@@WinterWolf-pl1im It's just suspension of thought in general, just a different state of consciousness. It's not like you do this when you'retrying to solve a rational problem like how religious people suspend rationality to believe whatever they want. And it's not that rationality goes out the window here it's just that it's not part of the picture when you're deep in meditation or on DMT or something.
Wow cant believe he attacked an audience member.
He must be constantly angry on the inside…confirmed Virgo here!✋
Sam doesn't really learn/listen/progress
This post suggests that the poster has no grasp of learning, listening, progress, nor rational thinking is probably a choice rather than the inability to do so.
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Harris vs. Peterson have to be the most obnoxious "debates" I've ever heard. A lot to do about nothing.
I love that these two positions are able to hash it out in a respectful manner. Personally I agree with Peterson on the issue of rationality being unable to validly manfest a moral ethic that isn't a form or relativism, which I believe Sam does avoid dealing with in this video. That said I acually agree with Sam on his criticisms of fundamentalism and how some people are essentially denying scentific understanding and reason for the sake of guarding thier faith, a kind of reflexive denial. Peterson does not seem to be confused or speak in a word salad, I understand his points and how they relate to the topics being discussed. Great conversation, I wouldn't describe a winner or a loser here.
LOL! A Peterson butt Kisser! Were you trying to come across as "fair and balanced"?
All religions are great for happiness morality etc until it claims to be the only true religion
Jordan doesn't need to speak they way he does. I think he does it for effect so that his audience will think he's smart. Sam is highly intelligent, but he doesn't need to talk in a way that makes him hard to understand what his point is. Jordan needs to learn how to speak to the average person.
Idk as an average person Sam's intelligence is either so vast it's unrecognizable to me or he's sort of B tier pseudo intellectual who nobody would consider a great thinker had he not caught the wave of the new atheist movement. Will be uninteresting to see how long he can keep the grift going now that the new atheist wave is all but dead
i agree its obvious in this case
Sure, Peterson is more of a performer than interested in considering different perspectives.
I mean, just look at how pompous and histrionic he opens his statement at 19:44. Which is actually a fun little slip up, because it raises the question whether Jesus is God.
But I don't think Jordan needs to learn how to talk to the average person, because that would defuse his whole shtick of remaining vague and appearing profound. There wouldn't be much left afterwards.
Have any of you found anything that he's said that you genuinely disagree with? If so, what is that, I would love to hear.
@@DEMillerEarl I disagree with his portrayal of postmodernism. Postmodernism just isn't that palpable and distinct of a position so that Peterson can point at it as though it makes claim X, with claim X having only the implication Y, and being therefore worthy of rejection. Peterson himself talks like a postmodernist at places.
I disagree with him that acting out belief means that one does believe. We act out beliefs for pragmatic justifications, while being aware that the belief in question is ultimately unjustifiable or even wrong. On that note, I clearly disagree with his claim that there aren't atheists.
Peterson makes Kantian remarks, with which I agree. But he doesn't rule out the implications, rather plays with them vaguely. Where Kant is making claims about us creating our own reality due to the concepts we come up with, he doesn't make any ontological claims. Peterson on the other hand, where narrative is more real than real and truer than true, implies the same notion, but screams ontology while doing so. A Christian gets away from that with "Jesus is really God".
Where Kant would say that our beliefs have real effects on *ourselves,* Peterson implies on top that the contents are actually real/are reality itself.
He does never actually say that, but implies it heavily, so that Christians get away with feeling affirmation. Taken literally, it's utter nonsense to say that narrative is real and true. It is in a sense, yes, but certainly not in a sense that makes it more real than real.
His lack of clarification and vagueness is not a feature, that's a bug.
Jordan makes such terrible arguments as to what the building blocks of the bible and the process of the councils that built the cannon. He also completely ignored the P and non-P narratives that show how apologetics was practiced since the stories were recorded in written form.
Why did we get Jordan to preach today wtf
Yeah, he's insufferably dumb and dishonest.
Sam is okay with Marcus Aurelius but discounts the Bible? Seems very biased. I don’t understand why he thinks the Bible was dictated to someone. Who believes that? He puts a lot of his arguments on a point I have never heard anyone have.
Sam is I and O's, Jordan is Quantum in depth.
Cain & Abel is too amazing to be written by a human ?
Hes kidding right ?
The meaning he gives it has NOTHING to do with the actual story.
Its a cruel story about a narcissistic headgame.
It has meaning because hes using that story as a base, that hes chosen to put his own feelings & garnered life experience onto it .
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Ironically, Charles Manson was a SCORPIO! Kinda blows Sam's argument RIGHT OF THE WINDOW...
I'm genuinely curious as to the point you are making.
Tell me you didn’t understand his point without telling me you didn’t understand his point.
There seem to be more atheists in the world today that are guided by ethics, reason, love, and charity and who respect varying knowledge systems that don't try to violate and dehumanize others through conversion. JP stop appropriating into your faith the first 2 limbs of Hinduism - Yamas and Niyamas, these are 7000k plus years older
The final knockout blow by Sam Harris. Leaving Jordan down and confused.
Lol only a dullard would say that lol Dr Jordan is on a leval far above the simple minded Sam Harris
51:14 That is not art. It is fragmented, either elitist or of an appalling quality for the mobs. There is no art anymore. What? AI generated music and paintings? ChatGPT poems? A so- called artist’s toilet bowl on display in a famous art gallery? The ghastly urban architectural monsters? Art is dead. It’s appallingly ugly and soulless business or mere unintelligible whim which lacks any power of communicating something of substance.
Sam is essentially trying to talk his way into a world dictatorship in which if the world would select the right qualified person of which he is a perfect match, there would be world peace.
not really, that seems to be your misguided interpretation.
@@relawd8085 your interpretation of my interpretation is misguided
I think Sam Harris wants society to replace Christian priests with physicists 😅
IMAO...he wants to replace it with reason..
@@TheTom2302Since when do Physicists give lectures on morality and God?? 😅
I find it on this channel how it recycles old videos and constantly shows snippets of videos attempting to portray anything in a way to slam Jordan Peterson or I guess probably more generally promote. I mean round 4 knockout ? Really?
I've seen all these videos of Sam Harris with Jordan. Several great videos of super conversation learning loads from them both. Why not just enjoy them for that ?
The whole atheist propaganda slant this channel always has was the reason I came off. So aggressive and off putting. Must take action to be sure it doesn't pop in my feed as much.
JP must have astrology followers.
No one that is realistic enough to know its not real,
would try so hard to argue that it has some actual validity or soundness.
I've noticed he really doesnt like disagreeing with or making feel stupid, his followers.
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Love is such a lazy argument in that I bet many or most can't even define what it is....
Having heard this for the second time now, one thing is clear for Peterson. For all the Peterson defenders who say we're not smart enough to understand his word salad I would say this; you can take the most complex, bizarre scientific concepts (quantum computing for example) and break it down so that you could easily explain the fundamentals to a child. In fact, there are videos that do exactly that (explain ____ in 5 levels). There is no concept that Peterson shouldn't be able to do the same thing. So either he is in fact just full of bs, he doesn't understand it himself, or he's incapable of articulating himself. Either way, the onus is not on me to telepathically infer what he wants to say, it is on him to explain it properly. And sometimes he does. On a lot of subjects, however, he does not. And when you have comment after comment making the same observations about word salads, me not being smart enough is not one of the valid explanations for Peterson and his belief system.
Personally, I think he just takes these debates for the money, even though they maybe in areas he doesn't know what he believes. The result of that then is a meandering word salad. I don't think that's bad or good, but for me personally, a debate in this style should be between people who come in with already well formed thoughts on the things you are debating.
""... I think he just takes these debates for the money..."' I'd like to just say Bingo!!! And Bingo could suffice. But I also feel he has a few problems "up-stairs".
peterson could, yet he s trying to have a deep debate. harris works better for simpler people, he is more like us.
@@CourageToB ??? I mean ???! It is only petty who works for the simple people. You don't see that?
@@GStones58 i m trying to say, that peterson is trying to have an intellectual debate and harris drools and begs for applause and appreciation. he does that by "representing" a simple persons perspective. the art though is not to present a simple idea, but make a complex one understandable. that is what peterson is trying to achieve.
@@CourageToB I strongly suggest you research Peterson a bit and see Dork Peterson openly admit he was a dork and Sam Harris easily kicked his stinking butt all over the place. Of course you dorks think Peetey "won" because you tools are simpler than Peetey himself!.
All these comment about Petersons word salad are funny. You’re telling on yourself. It’s not because you can’t understand words that they don’t mean anything or that others don’t understand. You don’t understand.
The fact that religion has lasted for so long is due to herd mentality. Why does God have to be tied to religion? What's wrong with just GOD? Humans created religion, GOD didn't. For all the education on that stage and four long sessions, I didn't see anything more than pontification.
Lemme guess?? 3 educated men still can't get to a solution 🙄🙄‼️??? Yall waste 2 hours gathering information to go debate 2 hours with friends to never find a solution. USELESS😂
Can Sam Harris learn to shut up long enough to let us hear the other debaters! PLEASE
Can your dad stop calling me? It was a one time thing.