Tubes won't go away. But we'll get to a point where we are using at the forefront amps that aren't based on simulations and are entirely software in origin
The Victory Super Kraken is basically designed to be a software amp in a piece of 'real' gear, in terms of how it sounds. Apparently, a lot of trad guitarists really hated it when they tried it out because its frequencies sounded more like a software amp than a real valve amp.
@@Spermwhales93because people are not looking for optimal. the modern amps tend to sound more studio ready which is great. But people call it ampsim sound which is stupid because those ampsims are modeled after the real thing. They seem to not know what EQ is.
I'm waiting for a plugin that makes new sounds and it's not trying to sound like tube amps. That day tubes will die. For now it's always tube first and then the sound is brought to the plugin. When new sounds won't be crafted on tubes that will be relevant, this is just refining emulation.
Theres plenty of plugins you can do that with but idk if its a good thing because a lot of djent and thall bands are doing it and it just sounds like swishy palm mutes an lasers
@Durkhead they do fx but i don't hear new kinds of distortion outside tube emulation, maybe im old but all the jst, neural, brainworks, axefx, helix is all tube emulation/captures. So meh, If you have a huge studio with everything your first choice is still amps, plugins are like the convenient alternative imho. And it shows with all the hype when new big ass tube heads are released
Yeah but sound itself is limited. I mean you can distort it, boost mids lows highs and all of its permutations are already been done in the analog world. From Vox to Krank you can get every tone. Parallel processing and synth layering into the amp is probably the way but thats already been done. I don't think new stuff is needed just more creativity specially in the heavy genre.
@vidicsferenc182 there's a ton of transfer curves you can only do in the digital world. In digital, especially now you can make a guitar sound like an organ. Why nobody does something in between an organ and earthquake and a 5150? Do that instead of dumb emulations. About the genres i couldn't care less, I make experimental multimedia installations, i don't care about notes beats genres I don't even know if its music, but for sure it is sound and some tube heads and pedal guys are experimenting with new distortions and stuff, plugin people not at all
😂 I'm gen X bro, I've got a crazy extra gain stage/4th preamp valve, modded 78 JMP 2204 and it's beast, nothing compares or comes close, but I also like toys and pedals and IR, but my Marshall is mean and loud🤘
@@escapegulag4317 Some people actually like to get out and play instead of sitting at home recording. Also I am sure it sounds great when recorded properly.
I don't think obsolete is the right word. I think tubes and digital world will coalesce such as the new Diezel Herbert VHX. Until someone comes up with a better technology than tubes themselves, then there will be a need for them.
When people say “tubes will be obsolete” or “tube amps will be obsolete” pointing at how good amp modelers are becoming it makes me laugh a little. Somehow all those people are completely missing two words in “amp modeler”. First “amp”, and second “modeler”. What those modelers are modeling? The tube amps. If there is no tube amp those fancy devices/plugins have nothing to model, no reference point. They don’t create sounds, they are mocking it in a somewhat convenient form factor. In order to make something obsolete you need to invent something new that would give you arguably better results. That’s absolutely not what amp modelers do. An amp modeler as a concept is nothing but a tube amp shadow. The same with IRs vs. speakers and speaker cabs. There is no “versus”, it’s nothing but a reflection.
They simply mean that people will move away from tube amps to digital. It’s already been happening for years. Go back through these videos and notice how many amp sims are ending up on records. I’m not sure why you’re overthinking it like this.
@@johnnyphoney5669 We don't use tube amps anymore. They are obsolete. Just like how telephones changed. Yes they migh thave the same functions and they might look the same but alltogether you are not using phones from the 1900's. Just like how todays music gear don't feature tubes inside of them. ( i must add tube amps do sound good. they are just not practical, or stable enough for modern music production specially heavy music.)
@@vidicsferenc182 I don’t know who you mean by “we”, your band? Do you play live? I see guitar tube amps wherever I go. Any rehersal room has at least few. All over the place in TH-cam. > “Just like how telephones changed. Yes they migh thave the same functions and they might look the same but alltogether you are not using phones from the 1900's.” You are missing the point that telephones were “changed”, “evolved” into better telephones. And lots of people not using tube amps from 1900's either, in fact they are avoiding it because of reliability issues of such old pieces of equipment. They use modern high-gain tube amplifier, often with automated MIDI controlled settings, sometimes released last year. Tube amps did not change into “tube amp modelers”. It’s not an amplifier anymore, it’s a modeler. Amp modeler is more like a kid toy, a fake plastic telephone, you press some buttons and hear fake conversations. Of course it’s not a great analogy and amp modelers have actual practical purpose but I don’t think your analogy with how telephones changed make sense in the first place. > “Just like how todays music gear don't feature tubes inside of them.” Honestly I don’t get what world are you living in. Tube amps are everywhere. Even around tube amp modeler users. They usually use amp modelers so that they can capture their tube amp sound they design at home and take to a gig in a much compact and lighter form-factor. I don’t know, search Rabea Massaad channel on TH-cam, just a random example that came to mind. But you’ll find plenty. I don’t know, take a whole set of tube amp manufacturers all over the world who produce tube amps costing like 4-5 grands and making a sustainable business. How that works if tube amps are “obsolete” already as you claim? > “i must add tube amps do sound good.” Compared to tube amp modelers? If you like an “amp modeler sound" you basically like “tube amp sound”. That’s what they are doing, trying to do best to replicate the sound of a particular captured tube amp in a particular environment. Adding a huge contribution to the sound of a captured guitar loudspeaker.
it doesnt pump, because its not a compressor. its an amp or an amp-saturation, fattens and crunches like a small Fender amp would do. Break up Guitar Sounds...
Tubes are obsolete but you spend thousands on a thing that pretends to be tube driven. 😂 You guys really aren’t seeing the problem there? The overwhelming majority aren’t even asking for original amp models. You want tube amp emulations. Fake tube amps. Bug men
This is a ridiculous take. That's like saying that CGI will get to the point that it won't age horribly. Spoiler: CGI always ages horribly. So will this
CGI will get to the point where you can’t tell that it’s CGI, and at that point it won’t age horribly, same with this - we’re already at the point with high gain guitars like this in a full mix if you pick out a real amp from an amp sim you’re lying or guessing.
I once saw somebody make a point that if CGI is good you don't notice that it's CGI. That is 100% true in my experience, and the same goes with using digital amps. So many records now use digital amps in at least some capacity. A good example of this is that Scar Symmetry have used digital amps for the lead tones on every record, and on the latest one they did all the guitar tones were made using Neural DSP software amps. If you just casually listened to Pitch Black Progress or Holographic Universe, you wouldn't be able to tell what tones were digital and what tones were real tube amps if you didn't know what I'd just told you - it's because all the guitar tones are good, and good tone transcends whatever gear was used to make it. I've also typically got better clean sounds out of software amps than I have out of real ones, and that's also the case for any tones that are a bit weird or experimental. If you're going weird with sound design on guitars, doing it in the box using software gives you access to a lot of processing that you can't do with 'real' gear.
Not being funny but what are people going to choose? $1000-$2000 amp head that breaks the bank Or a plugin for $60-$100 that has everything you need to record?
@@HaynesMoreno Quantity has nothing to do with quality. "Everything you need to record" is an amp, cabinet, mic and preamp. You will never get the quality of a real amp with a plugin.
@@kingpriapatius5832 except the quality is in the plug ins them selves. People don’t wake up to be like “well let’s make a shit plug in that will never live up to the original”. A lot of hobbyists are going to venture towards the digital approach of music technology. Amps became obsolete since kemper and nano cortex took to the market.
@@HaynesMorenodepends on who are you, if you're a student with a Harley Benton you go plugin, if you're a dentist with an r9 you buy a big ass amp. Also most of the people don't even record, they just want to have fun. For me firing up a computer to play guitar kills it instantly.
I actually compared my SLO to the SLO plugin by Neural DSP. I made an IR of my favorite cab and mic position to use with the plugin so the plugin version is completely digital and the real version of the amp is both the real amp and the real cabinet and mic. Was very hard to hear the difference. I also was able to bypass cab sims and run the plugin into a solid state poweramp and into my cabinet live in the room and was shocked how much it sounded like the real thing. When running the plugin through a solid state power amp into the cab it wasn’t perfect but the plugin with cab IR vs amp and real cabinet/mic was scary scary scary close (the resulted recording). In the room is usually easy to point out the kemper or the plugin if you’re running through a 412 I agree tho
Tubes were obsolete in 2017 when i sold my 5150 stack to buy a kemper. Never looked back.
Tubes were obsolete even before that.
I just want my guitar to sound good. I don't care what the source is.
Tubes won't go away. But we'll get to a point where we are using at the forefront amps that aren't based on simulations and are entirely software in origin
The Victory Super Kraken is basically designed to be a software amp in a piece of 'real' gear, in terms of how it sounds. Apparently, a lot of trad guitarists really hated it when they tried it out because its frequencies sounded more like a software amp than a real valve amp.
@@Spermwhales93because people are not looking for optimal.
the modern amps tend to sound more studio ready which is great. But people call it ampsim sound which is stupid because those ampsims are modeled after the real thing.
They seem to not know what EQ is.
I'm waiting for a plugin that makes new sounds and it's not trying to sound like tube amps. That day tubes will die. For now it's always tube first and then the sound is brought to the plugin. When new sounds won't be crafted on tubes that will be relevant, this is just refining emulation.
Theres plenty of plugins you can do that with but idk if its a good thing because a lot of djent and thall bands are doing it and it just sounds like swishy palm mutes an lasers
@Durkhead they do fx but i don't hear new kinds of distortion outside tube emulation, maybe im old but all the jst, neural, brainworks, axefx, helix is all tube emulation/captures. So meh, If you have a huge studio with everything your first choice is still amps, plugins are like the convenient alternative imho. And it shows with all the hype when new big ass tube heads are released
Yeah but sound itself is limited. I mean you can distort it, boost mids lows highs and all of its permutations are already been done in the analog world. From Vox to Krank you can get every tone. Parallel processing and synth layering into the amp is probably the way but thats already been done. I don't think new stuff is needed just more creativity specially in the heavy genre.
@vidicsferenc182 there's a ton of transfer curves you can only do in the digital world. In digital, especially now you can make a guitar sound like an organ. Why nobody does something in between an organ and earthquake and a 5150? Do that instead of dumb emulations. About the genres i couldn't care less, I make experimental multimedia installations, i don't care about notes beats genres I don't even know if its music, but for sure it is sound and some tube heads and pedal guys are experimenting with new distortions and stuff, plugin people not at all
not the same sound... but i can commit quality of sound for flexibility.
With recorded sound there is little to none difference.
10db of compression on the guitars is oof. May need to try it 🤔
Here come the boomers
😂 I'm gen X bro, I've got a crazy extra gain stage/4th preamp valve, modded 78 JMP 2204 and it's beast, nothing compares or comes close, but I also like toys and pedals and IR, but my Marshall is mean and loud🤘
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pretty sure it doesnt sound good on a recording though.
@@escapegulag4317 Some people actually like to get out and play instead of sitting at home recording. Also I am sure it sounds great when recorded properly.
I don't think obsolete is the right word. I think tubes and digital world will coalesce such as the new Diezel Herbert VHX. Until someone comes up with a better technology than tubes themselves, then there will be a need for them.
Amen!
Who needs tubes when a majority of the modern guitar sounds aren't good to begin with.
Analog will never die, whether I can pass a blind test or not
When people say “tubes will be obsolete” or “tube amps will be obsolete” pointing at how good amp modelers are becoming it makes me laugh a little. Somehow all those people are completely missing two words in “amp modeler”. First “amp”, and second “modeler”. What those modelers are modeling? The tube amps. If there is no tube amp those fancy devices/plugins have nothing to model, no reference point. They don’t create sounds, they are mocking it in a somewhat convenient form factor. In order to make something obsolete you need to invent something new that would give you arguably better results. That’s absolutely not what amp modelers do. An amp modeler as a concept is nothing but a tube amp shadow. The same with IRs vs. speakers and speaker cabs. There is no “versus”, it’s nothing but a reflection.
They simply mean that people will move away from tube amps to digital. It’s already been happening for years. Go back through these videos and notice how many amp sims are ending up on records.
I’m not sure why you’re overthinking it like this.
@@XGracelessTarnishedX this doesn’t make tube amps obsolete.
@@johnnyphoney5669 We don't use tube amps anymore. They are obsolete. Just like how telephones changed. Yes they migh thave the same functions and they might look the same but alltogether you are not using phones from the 1900's. Just like how todays music gear don't feature tubes inside of them. ( i must add tube amps do sound good. they are just not practical, or stable enough for modern music production specially heavy music.)
Do you also think that tape machines are not obsolete because people use tape sim plugins?
@@vidicsferenc182 I don’t know who you mean by “we”, your band? Do you play live? I see guitar tube amps wherever I go. Any rehersal room has at least few. All over the place in TH-cam.
> “Just like how telephones changed. Yes they migh thave the same functions and they might look the same but alltogether you are not using phones from the 1900's.”
You are missing the point that telephones were “changed”, “evolved” into better telephones. And lots of people not using tube amps from 1900's either, in fact they are avoiding it because of reliability issues of such old pieces of equipment. They use modern high-gain tube amplifier, often with automated MIDI controlled settings, sometimes released last year. Tube amps did not change into “tube amp modelers”. It’s not an amplifier anymore, it’s a modeler. Amp modeler is more like a kid toy, a fake plastic telephone, you press some buttons and hear fake conversations. Of course it’s not a great analogy and amp modelers have actual practical purpose but I don’t think your analogy with how telephones changed make sense in the first place.
> “Just like how todays music gear don't feature tubes inside of them.”
Honestly I don’t get what world are you living in. Tube amps are everywhere. Even around tube amp modeler users. They usually use amp modelers so that they can capture their tube amp sound they design at home and take to a gig in a much compact and lighter form-factor. I don’t know, search Rabea Massaad channel on TH-cam, just a random example that came to mind. But you’ll find plenty. I don’t know, take a whole set of tube amp manufacturers all over the world who produce tube amps costing like 4-5 grands and making a sustainable business. How that works if tube amps are “obsolete” already as you claim?
> “i must add tube amps do sound good.”
Compared to tube amp modelers? If you like an “amp modeler sound" you basically like “tube amp sound”. That’s what they are doing, trying to do best to replicate the sound of a particular captured tube amp in a particular environment. Adding a huge contribution to the sound of a captured guitar loudspeaker.
it doesnt pump, because its not a compressor. its an amp or an amp-saturation, fattens and crunches like a small Fender amp would do. Break up Guitar Sounds...
URM be ragebaiting
Tubes are obsolete but you spend thousands on a thing that pretends to be tube driven. 😂 You guys really aren’t seeing the problem there? The overwhelming majority aren’t even asking for original amp models. You want tube amp emulations. Fake tube amps. Bug men
This is a ridiculous take. That's like saying that CGI will get to the point that it won't age horribly. Spoiler: CGI always ages horribly. So will this
CGI will get to the point where you can’t tell that it’s CGI, and at that point it won’t age horribly, same with this - we’re already at the point with high gain guitars like this in a full mix if you pick out a real amp from an amp sim you’re lying or guessing.
CGI hasn’t aged poorly but time constraints and work expectations have.
I once saw somebody make a point that if CGI is good you don't notice that it's CGI. That is 100% true in my experience, and the same goes with using digital amps. So many records now use digital amps in at least some capacity. A good example of this is that Scar Symmetry have used digital amps for the lead tones on every record, and on the latest one they did all the guitar tones were made using Neural DSP software amps. If you just casually listened to Pitch Black Progress or Holographic Universe, you wouldn't be able to tell what tones were digital and what tones were real tube amps if you didn't know what I'd just told you - it's because all the guitar tones are good, and good tone transcends whatever gear was used to make it.
I've also typically got better clean sounds out of software amps than I have out of real ones, and that's also the case for any tones that are a bit weird or experimental. If you're going weird with sound design on guitars, doing it in the box using software gives you access to a lot of processing that you can't do with 'real' gear.
T 1000 suene on prisión was cgi and 30 year later still a good cgi
Tubes might become obsolete....? Let's keep what Jared said and watch it in 5-10 years. We will laugh like never before.
Not being funny but what are people going to choose?
$1000-$2000 amp head that breaks the bank
Or a plugin for $60-$100 that has everything you need to record?
@@HaynesMoreno Quantity has nothing to do with quality. "Everything you need to record" is an amp, cabinet, mic and preamp. You will never get the quality of a real amp with a plugin.
@@kingpriapatius5832 except the quality is in the plug ins them selves. People don’t wake up to be like “well let’s make a shit plug in that will never live up to the original”.
A lot of hobbyists are going to venture towards the digital approach of music technology.
Amps became obsolete since kemper and nano cortex took to the market.
@@HaynesMorenodepends on who are you, if you're a student with a Harley Benton you go plugin, if you're a dentist with an r9 you buy a big ass amp.
Also most of the people don't even record, they just want to have fun. For me firing up a computer to play guitar kills it instantly.
RUBISH. Any modeller with crubmle in front of a SOLDANO 100 or a late 70s JMP. I've seen it so many times. In the studio, whatever...
I actually compared my SLO to the SLO plugin by Neural DSP. I made an IR of my favorite cab and mic position to use with the plugin so the plugin version is completely digital and the real version of the amp is both the real amp and the real cabinet and mic. Was very hard to hear the difference. I also was able to bypass cab sims and run the plugin into a solid state poweramp and into my cabinet live in the room and was shocked how much it sounded like the real thing. When running the plugin through a solid state power amp into the cab it wasn’t perfect but the plugin with cab IR vs amp and real cabinet/mic was scary scary scary close (the resulted recording). In the room is usually easy to point out the kemper or the plugin if you’re running through a 412 I agree tho