2:05 The temperament adjust controls do exist on all three synth cabinets of the original KORG PS-3300. This is documented in the PS-3300 user manual under section 1-1, Signal Generators. Temperaments are different ways of compromising when "just intonation" (every chord always perfectly in tune, as would occur with human voices, brass, or bowed strings) is not feasible. In our Western equal temperament tuning, going from one pitch to the next half-step up is multiplying its frequency by 12√2 - so we have 12EDO (12 Equal Divisions of the Octave). 12EDO temperament is really not "in tune" so much as a meta-compromise that makes all notes slightly out of tune in order for an instrument to "sound good' in every key. So, the PS-3300 temperament control can indeed make things sound a bit more "loose," but it's designed for giving the user control over the tuning of each interval. Non-12EDO temperaments can be used to get some nearly or perfectly "beat-less" (no pitch instability at all between two notes) intervals at the expense of others. This will sound closer to how trained musicians operating variable-tuning instruments naturally achieve "just" intonation - the chords of a barbershop quartet tend to be perfect mathematical ratios rather than x√2 intervals.
I remember using (playing around with) one of these mid-80's in an electronic music studio I had access to (at a school) and thinking it's both more flexible and less controllable than the Minimoog. I remember the sound was thinner but not without charm (as evidenced by the video - that's the sound I remember) and discovering the resonators and being blown away. I think I spent more time with the ARP 2600 and the Electrocomp 101 in the lab at the time, but this was better for actually "playing" keys because of the poloyphonic response. I'd have to think hard today how something like this would be useful in today's world, or if it once again would be "playing around with", which is fine too for the low investment of a plugin.
The Korg PS-3300 is a polyphonic analog synthesizer that was produced by Korg between 1977 and 1981. It is one of the largest and rarest analog synthesizers ever made, and it has become one of the most collectable synthesizers in the world. Only around 25 were produced. The PS-3300 is actually three complete synthesizer units in one box, where each synthesizer unit is almost identical to the smaller Korg PS-3100 and is labelled as "PSU-3301" on the front panel (PSU, abbreviation for Polyphonic Synthesizer Unit). The unique feature of 48-note polyphony means that each unit has 48 oscillators (technically 12 oscillators and 36 frequency dividers), 48 low-pass filters, 48 envelope generators, and 48 amplifiers. Combining the 3 units, this makes for a total of 144 oscillators (technically 36 oscillators and 108 frequency dividers), 144 filters, 144 envelope generators, and 144 amplifiers. The PS-3300 is a very versatile synthesizer, and it can be used to create a wide range of sounds, from lush pads and strings to aggressive leads and basses. It is also a very stable synthesizer, and it can hold tuning even when playing multiple notes at the same time. The PS-3300 has been used by a number of famous musicians, including Vangelis, Jean-Michel Jarre, and Emmerson, Lake & Palmer. It is known for its big and unique sound, which has been described as an orchestra of synthesizers. The PS-3300 is a very rare and expensive synthesizer, but it is a highly sought-after instrument by professional musicians and collectors alike.
Sounds really good, but definitely not crazy about the UI design. Would have liked if the keyboard is 2D and comes out from the bottom and can be toggled on or off. But either way this synth sounds super solid
@@russ254 I made one. They are both great synths, but different. Ps-3300 is also much more stable than Fb-3300. th-cam.com/video/l_V3On_mFlI/w-d-xo.htmlsi=fOibuwXtyya5s0SL
Ouch, that's an aggressive sidechain compressor going on in your video. When your voice ends the music kicks back with 10db or so immediately. Did not recognize that in your earlier videos.
@@russ254been doing it manually but just takes too long. Got Davinci resolve as it’s got much better audio handling than Final Cut- I noticed it was a bit punchy to say the least and should really have gone back and reset levels. But this was the 4th version I uploaded and I ran out of patience.
imo it is criminal they didnt include ANY aphex style detunings or even not aphex twin related tunings..like come on. There are like 2 or 3 presets but nothing exciting to do with tunings. wack . Actually * where did you cover it in your video?
Always enjoy your stuff on here. Cherry Audio have released another snip of nostalgia, not so much for me though as at the time it was released I was too busy pogoing away to many of the punk bands of the time. It wasn’t until I discovered Kraftwerk in the early eighties I paid any attention to synths. I feel perhaps I shouldn’t have been so dismissive and now it looks to me as though we’re having a synthesiser renaissance. I do however remember one of the local bands having a Wasp, obviously not the Behringer variant. I bought the Behringer as I thought it might recreate my youth. Sadly not, so I’m asking Behringer for my money back. Apart from it not being a time machine, for all its simplicity it can produce some stunning sounds. Strange how many people dislike Behringer, until fairly recently I had no inkling of the things they’re supposed have done. No matter, I’ll still buy more product if it does what I want it to do from them. I received the micro, mini and Edge synths last week. The Edge (not out of U2) is incredibly addictive.
Everytime I compare Cherry synths with vintage originals, theire plugins are so off. I guess this one is not an exception, although not many will be able to compare). But the price is fair.
The last one I put up against an original was the Jupiter 6 and it was decent. No idea about this though. where they usually fall down is the FM.. but for the price its well worth it for the fun of playing with weird interfaces.
True but who owns a CS-80 or a Korg 3300, with a price tag nearing 1/4 million for both? The price is definitely fair. And the approximations of the vintage originals close enough. (I prefer Arturia's CS-80). If you want to try out the 3300, there is a free version out there from a guy with 'Bucket' in his name. Although, it doesn't have the Cherry Audio upgrade tweaks... it's pretty damn good.
This and FB3300 (full bucket music) sounds way better then a original PS which suggest they dont model the circuitry in any greater detail. The original PS3300 have only 3 resonator blocks for the entire machine and not 3 resonators per voice as the front panel suggest. Thats why you get deliberately deceived and believe this is how the original crap PS sounds. But nobody cares about tech porn anyway, not even i.
This isn't true I'm afraid, both the original hardware and the PS-3300 plugin have 3 global resonators per panel, with each of the 9 resonators having its own adjustable cutoff. Each of the three sets is independently modulatable, exactly as recreated in our PS-3300 software. The hardware is massive and it's amazing to play!
@@CherryAudiovst Its true, read whats said, 3 blocks of resonator each block consist of 3 BP filters for the entire machine, read the schematics, the hardware version stinks, software is only an circuit approximation newer an exact PN junction emulation.
@@emanuilspasov3678 Of course they do, it's part of the emulation process. It has quite a powerful psychological effect. There's loads of equally powerful synths out there with more ergonomic interfaces if that's your bag.
2:05 The temperament adjust controls do exist on all three synth cabinets of the original KORG PS-3300. This is documented in the PS-3300 user manual under section 1-1, Signal Generators.
Temperaments are different ways of compromising when "just intonation" (every chord always perfectly in tune, as would occur with human voices, brass, or bowed strings) is not feasible. In our Western equal temperament tuning, going from one pitch to the next half-step up is multiplying its frequency by 12√2 - so we have 12EDO (12 Equal Divisions of the Octave). 12EDO temperament is really not "in tune" so much as a meta-compromise that makes all notes slightly out of tune in order for an instrument to "sound good' in every key.
So, the PS-3300 temperament control can indeed make things sound a bit more "loose," but it's designed for giving the user control over the tuning of each interval. Non-12EDO temperaments can be used to get some nearly or perfectly "beat-less" (no pitch instability at all between two notes) intervals at the expense of others. This will sound closer to how trained musicians operating variable-tuning instruments naturally achieve "just" intonation - the chords of a barbershop quartet tend to be perfect mathematical ratios rather than x√2 intervals.
I remember using (playing around with) one of these mid-80's in an electronic music studio I had access to (at a school) and thinking it's both more flexible and less controllable than the Minimoog. I remember the sound was thinner but not without charm (as evidenced by the video - that's the sound I remember) and discovering the resonators and being blown away. I think I spent more time with the ARP 2600 and the Electrocomp 101 in the lab at the time, but this was better for actually "playing" keys because of the poloyphonic response. I'd have to think hard today how something like this would be useful in today's world, or if it once again would be "playing around with", which is fine too for the low investment of a plugin.
aaand now Korg are bringing it back!
I was fortunate enough to try playing an actual restored ps3100 recently.
I have the cherry audio ps3300 and i love it.
The "temperament adjust" was definitely on the original.
The Korg PS-3300 is a polyphonic analog synthesizer that was produced by Korg between 1977 and 1981. It is one of the largest and rarest analog synthesizers ever made, and it has become one of the most collectable synthesizers in the world. Only around 25 were produced.
The PS-3300 is actually three complete synthesizer units in one box, where each synthesizer unit is almost identical to the smaller Korg PS-3100 and is labelled as "PSU-3301" on the front panel (PSU, abbreviation for Polyphonic Synthesizer Unit). The unique feature of 48-note polyphony means that each unit has 48 oscillators (technically 12 oscillators and 36 frequency dividers), 48 low-pass filters, 48 envelope generators, and 48 amplifiers. Combining the 3 units, this makes for a total of 144 oscillators (technically 36 oscillators and 108 frequency dividers), 144 filters, 144 envelope generators, and 144 amplifiers.
The PS-3300 is a very versatile synthesizer, and it can be used to create a wide range of sounds, from lush pads and strings to aggressive leads and basses. It is also a very stable synthesizer, and it can hold tuning even when playing multiple notes at the same time.
The PS-3300 has been used by a number of famous musicians, including Vangelis, Jean-Michel Jarre, and Emmerson, Lake & Palmer. It is known for its big and unique sound, which has been described as an orchestra of synthesizers.
The PS-3300 is a very rare and expensive synthesizer, but it is a highly sought-after instrument by professional musicians and collectors alike.
Karl Bartos was another famous user, when he was with Kraftwerk.
Sounds really good, but definitely not crazy about the UI design. Would have liked if the keyboard is 2D and comes out from the bottom and can be toggled on or off. But either way this synth sounds super solid
FB version vs this would be a good comparison, but from first listen the CA one seems really good. Nice demo as ever
The full bucket version does sound really good, I'm not sure if it sounds quite THIS good though.
I am the FIRST here to say, nice box
🎵🎵🎶”You are the wind beneathe my wings. . . .”🎵🎶
How cpu heavy is this synth??? Most ofCherry Audio VST are very cpu heavy.
Full Bucket Music did it first
would love a comparison between the two!
FBM is super underrated.
@@emanuilspasov3678 and free!
@@russ254 I made one. They are both great synths, but different. Ps-3300 is also much more stable than Fb-3300. th-cam.com/video/l_V3On_mFlI/w-d-xo.htmlsi=fOibuwXtyya5s0SL
Ouch, that's an aggressive sidechain compressor going on in your video. When your voice ends the music kicks back with 10db or so immediately. Did not recognize that in your earlier videos.
I’m trying different things! 😂
so glad you’re doing that though - there’s quite a few demos out there that I can’t make heads nor tails of, thank you!
@@russ254been doing it manually but just takes too long. Got Davinci resolve as it’s got much better audio handling than Final Cut- I noticed it was a bit punchy to say the least and should really have gone back and reset levels. But this was the 4th version I uploaded and I ran out of patience.
Nice… love the backing track at the Rhodes
@@StarskyCarr it's only in the first two minutes. Other than that, great review!
Where’s the Poly-61….?
imo it is criminal they didnt include ANY aphex style detunings or even not aphex twin related tunings..like come on. There are like 2 or 3 presets but nothing exciting to do with tunings. wack . Actually * where did you cover it in your video?
Always enjoy your stuff on here. Cherry Audio have released another snip of nostalgia, not so much for me though as at the time it was released I was too busy pogoing away to many of the punk bands of the time. It wasn’t until I discovered Kraftwerk in the early eighties I paid any attention to synths. I feel perhaps I shouldn’t have been so dismissive and now it looks to me as though we’re having a synthesiser renaissance.
I do however remember one of the local bands having a Wasp, obviously not the Behringer variant. I bought the Behringer as I thought it might recreate my youth. Sadly not, so I’m asking Behringer for my money back. Apart from it not being a time machine, for all its simplicity it can produce some stunning sounds. Strange how many people dislike Behringer, until fairly recently I had no inkling of the things they’re supposed have done. No matter, I’ll still buy more product if it does what I want it to do from them. I received the micro, mini and Edge synths last week. The Edge (not out of U2) is incredibly addictive.
Everytime I compare Cherry synths with vintage originals, theire plugins are so off. I guess this one is not an exception, although not many will be able to compare). But the price is fair.
The last one I put up against an original was the Jupiter 6 and it was decent. No idea about this though. where they usually fall down is the FM.. but for the price its well worth it for the fun of playing with weird interfaces.
@@StarskyCarrhad mercury 4 against jupiter 4, mercury reminds me jupiter only visually, unfortunately. But roland cloud jupiter4 actually very close.
True but who owns a CS-80 or a Korg 3300, with a price tag nearing 1/4 million for both? The price is definitely fair. And the approximations of the vintage originals close enough. (I prefer Arturia's CS-80). If you want to try out the 3300, there is a free version out there from a guy with 'Bucket' in his name. Although, it doesn't have the Cherry Audio upgrade tweaks... it's pretty damn good.
@@77advanced yeah I think the JP4 cloud is great. Love the system 8 for all those.
Very true. Their Octave Cat doesn't sound like the real Octave Cat. But hey... the price is right and regardless it sounds cool.
This and FB3300 (full bucket music) sounds way better then a original PS which suggest they dont model the circuitry in any greater detail. The original PS3300 have only 3 resonator blocks
for the entire machine and not 3 resonators per voice as the front panel suggest. Thats why you get deliberately deceived and believe this is how the original crap PS sounds. But nobody
cares about tech porn anyway, not even i.
This isn't true I'm afraid, both the original hardware and the PS-3300 plugin have 3 global resonators per panel, with each of the 9 resonators having its own adjustable cutoff. Each of the three sets is independently modulatable, exactly as recreated in our PS-3300 software. The hardware is massive and it's amazing to play!
@@CherryAudiovst Its true, read whats said, 3 blocks of resonator each block consist of 3 BP filters for the entire machine, read the schematics, the hardware version stinks, software is only an circuit approximation newer an exact PN junction emulation.
You're wrong!
@@huli8557 nope
You're thinking of the PS3100
I wish companies would stop designing interfaces like this
What's your boggle?
You'd need to take that up with Korg
@@harrymartin684 Love Korg, but vsts don't need to emulate hardware interfaces
@@emanuilspasov3678 Of course they do, it's part of the emulation process. It has quite a powerful psychological effect.
There's loads of equally powerful synths out there with more ergonomic interfaces if that's your bag.
@@harrymartin684 Well, agree to disagree, I suppose