The worst part of cheating is how it fucks everyone else over. Once you're caught obviously your team is disqualified, but then every team you beat (unfairly) is already eliminated with no chance of redemption. They don't have time in these tight qualifiers to reschedule, redo and re-seed a bunch of matches. If you lost to a cheater, well it just sucks to be you.
@@waf6235 yes they only played 1 game, but if they had played 3 for example only the last team they played would get to advance. The other teams don't get a chance. And this has happened before.
@@waf6235 for example, this cheating team almost played a 2nd game, they were in the warmup when he got banned. If they had played that game and won (or lost) that team would get to advance but this other team from this video would be shit out of luck.
to be fair if he's using wall hacks it'd be pretty obvious to his team mates, compared to fallen when using an aimbot the software isn't exactly visible.
@@y0blue I'm not sure how that relates to why it sucks that people cheat but ok. But also based on his teammates still playing pugs with him after he was banned, they most likely knew.
I was the head of CEVO anti-cheat for the first 2 years of its existence. I've watched thousands of hours of demos. What gives him away is reloading his gun while in common spam spots because subconsciously he can see they aren't about to try to spam though a smoke. Like when he reloaded on coffins. You would hide until you are done reloading.
I was gonna say the spam and prefire weren't even the problem from what the video showed. More of reloads, jiggles, and where he was looking the rest of the time that didn't make sense.
For me on this demo it's obvious that he moves like a bot, it is highly unlikely someone with such low level movement can have such game sense. It's not just him strafing into walls half the time, it's way he positions him self and path he takes towards that. Looks so lost. Someone who played 1000's of hours and got gud would move waaaaay differently to give him self higher chance to win.
He does a great job hiding it. Most (but not all) of the plays are things you would reasonably do when familiar with the game. It's just the consistent 100% success rate that makes it sus, there's never a false read or mistake
Yeah thought the same thing. If I watched this without knowing he was cheating, the only one that would have seemed really off to me is the double smoke kill, more specifically the second kill. Even that first kill can be reasonably written off as knowing where to spam and some luck, but the second one seemed like he was lining up a bit too much. Almost all of the other clips can be explained with knowing the game and a bit of luck. Nothing extremely weird until you really break stuff down and think "should he really be peeking that instead of another angle?" or "why would he push this way at this time with the knowledge he has?" but definitely not stuff you would ever catch normally just by watching it without the knowledge that he was cheating.
At some points you can see that he is "acting" though, like you see he is playing like someone without knowledge, but making it seem like he doesn't know until the very end, and that makes it a bit too obvious, because better players would be checking more thoroughly, and expecting players.
No he does not, and you would know if you cheat yourself but you don't your whole opinion is biased by the fact he played for a pro team. I cheat myself and I have for years cheaters can easily spot cheaters simple ass that every cheater EVER has same weird and sus things they do no matter how legit you cheat i can guarantee you i can spot it and soo can other long tike cheaters ( cry about it all you want "oh you're ruining the game for other players thats not what am here to talk about) Also stop commenting this BS everyone's doing it and you're just commenting shit you think people wanna hear and it's genuinely pathetic you've got no own opinion and when you do you just lie to yourself so it still really isn't your own opinion... fuck yall weird
Yea, there's never going to be clear video of cheating. We're already accustomed to making excuses wall tracking, smoke kills, 'game sense', perfect flicks and everything else.
It's understandable how some people are defending him. He is really good at hiding it, the reason being he does have some high level of game sense and aim. However, anyone who is decent at the game will know that the way he plays is unnatural and most likely cheating.
decided to see the raw footage of the match to check each clip and the only one that seems super strange is that double smoke kill. Is it walls or did he have the smoke bug since a molly was thrown deep into the pit behind it? I thought the 1v2 at the end seemed off untill i watched the raw footage and you can hear them both on site and one even makes noise failing to jump onto a box.
@@CJBeamedYou The deagle shot to car was super strange to me, weird how people don't seem to be talking about it. It's one thing to be preaiming, but he traces the guy.
@@bermuda333 but if you watch other pros, you see it much more then u expect. but i dont think its about cheats, but more about luck, timing and general crosshair placement.
@@bermuda333 The only other round that seems super strange is round 13. The guy looks completly clueless in banana and the way he peeks the first guy on B is terrible. It is strange how he never seems to pre fire common spots or spam smokes at all unless someone was inside it. I think thats what gives him away in the end for me I just finished watching the full demo and based on the full thing i would say he is walling but only based from watching the full demo. It dosent help that the other team sucked and got dominated by utility the whole game. If they were alot better we would of seen a more blatent demo
it's sad that she still comes up as the only cheater, when the pro scene is infested with them. given that not a single pro was ever caught cheating, why wouldn't they all do it?~
The thing that makes this even better is that he was playing with 4TAYLOR, the most notorious stream sniper in NA and I believe this is now his 2nd/3rd team mate to get banned for cheating.
I'm surprised they don't have eye trackers at tournaments like this. You'd see someones eyes flicking over to someone they shouldn't be able to see. You could train yourself to not look directly and use your peripheral vision but it just adds another layer of protection and makes it easier to slip up.
the qualifiers aren't lan tournaments. and for on the stage, i doubt it's necessary at this point. that one guy from india is pretty much the only example i've ever heard of of anyone attempting to cheat at an actual tournament. maybe you could implement it somehow for online tournaments but i don't really see how.
Well I tend to aim where I shoot, so if my gamesense tells me someone is pushing a smoke I'm gonna look and aim at him without seeing him. This wouldn't tell you anything.
The thing that sucks the most about this is the fact that he WAS cheating and it’s so hard to tell, which means that if there were people even better at hiding it, there could be cheaters in professional cs, which would be devastating
Ehhh. When they reach a certain level it's just impossible. Cus what so you do at a lan. You cant wallhack cus there are constantly people behind you. Only aimboy is technically possible at that high of a level but even the best aimbots are still obviously aimbots
Ofcourse there are cheaters at the highest level. In every sport there are cheaters at the highest level. Cycling, mma, football, boxing, athletics. People will always try to get an unfair advantage if presented the opportunity.
Some people are cheating for years and they know how not to get banned. I played with a guy like 2 years ago and he said that ever since 2015 he is cheating in the game. He had nice 4-5k inventory and more than 1k mm wins. I always report players that are weird just in case.
It's also way easier to hide it on B site and Banana on Inferno since their usually one point of contact for the T's and CT's. If he played on A site it would've been weird how the only times he looked at Balcony was when a T was there.
I think the thing that is most suspicious is how confident he plays when he knows there aren't enemies around. When hes trying to hide his walls/vision assistance to get a kill, he will clear every corner, jiggle peak and then get the kill. But when hes not around anybody, even in situations where there could be enemies very close, he doesn't bother doing the same routine. Its only when he gets near to the opposing team where he starts doing it again.
to confirm his cheats you can skip to 2.53 where he is pushing up mid and holding right angle. As soon as the CT moves slowly to peek he adjusts the crosshair because he saw him through the walls getting ready to peek. Then adjusted it again when he saw a pixel of his body. That is enough for me lol.
The smoke part in 5:58 , could even happen if you get this smoke bug when you can see their shadow after you throw a molly or a grenade in or near a smoke. but still, there are no players in major qualifiers that they peek weird/run and gun without clearing several angles in a 1vX
that actually look legit play, he just waited for the smoke behind to fade off then threw molotov to corner to clear it and spammed the smoke if there was someone running off and tbh there was not a single part in this video where you can clearly tell he was cheating, after seeing this video i dont even think he was banned because of wallhack. he might have had some boosted audio shit or somthing but there is nothing in this gameplay that indicates that he had wallhack.
Just imagine how many times he has to remind himself to not shoot through smokes or track through walls when you are constantly seeing full body outlines 😂 I would go nuts dawg !!
I've played CS since a kid in 1.3. I'm no pro but was LEM back in the day and did amateur competitive for spell. Thousands of hours. At this point you know intuitively pretty well whether you're getting owned because you're being outplayed or you're being owned because someone is cheating.
It's amazing how much shit the Indian comp scene got because of forsaken, but other nations only get temporary team bans or something not that major, every other cheating video starts with forsaken's video. Crazy
I must say the peek at 3:48 was the most blatant, the fact that it’s such a specific corner to check and also the insane speed between spotting him and shooting. (obvious prefire)
i like how the name says bell on the scoreboard as a way to anonymize the name, but at the end of the game, at the very bottom, it still shows the name not anonymized, and so you can see the name missing is Pawt
This video is a lot better than the last one. The fact that Tibaw is talking about how the play could have been legit, and how it's more likely to be cheats. More clips that are suspicious, and more blatant cheating than the last demo he watched. He also gives more info about the game like "he usually doesn't check this spot" so a normal banana clear is isn't as innocent as you think.
He isn’t even totally clearing corners. He keeps half assing and walks right when he knows someone is there. His sprays through smokes are easily his biggest giveaway. He is only spraying one part and when he knows someone isn’t there he sprays for a fraction of the time.
7:30 i love the BM at the end, emptying the whole clip into his body like they noticed he is bullshit, but yeah this must be (with the smoke clip) the most obvious as a spectator at least.
the molotov clip is explainable: throwing a molly/nade behind a smoke shows a silhouette of the person behind the smoke. had done it to/from many times in tournaments 🤷♀️
For a while it was a close match even with his cheats. Without it would prob be easy for the enemy team. He slips up and makes some moes that look blatant. cos he is determined to win. If someone was using them to get an edge, but also will to just lose to not give away the fact they are cheating. then it would be much harder to detect or suspect.
@@vverbov22 "doubt" its quite obvious they would of lost if they didn't have a cheater on their team, and calling him pro is a joke at this point, it's a garbage bag with wheels
@@darth9272 No. There are certain things which you just can not know. That clearing A site was a blatant example of that, there was a possibility of him taking a risk ofcourse, but the way he played at that high level of play just doesn't make sense. You could see that his whole assumption was that they are both on site, and most likely not peeking him, as that is the way which he was prepared for , and not prepared for anything else. He obviously doesn't have walls. But he can sense with a trigger to point his crosshair towards the enemy. That is the only explanation, as that is exactly what it looks like , eliminating every single other possibility.
@@korana6308 Pro level matches contain more prediction and well... pro plays. Yes, you can't just know everything. But regardless, on pro level, you can make very educated guesses about the enemy team. The new meta is to oppose meta.
During an online regular match there is a lot of unpredictable behaviour due to lack of communication, frustration, a bored player or different player ability. You can play like a pro with a 5 man team all you want, but some dude pushing through smoke with a p90 all of a sudden just because he is bored... That you CAN'T know. What you can predict however, on a pro level, is that they MIGHT wait for you to spray the smoke but if you don't they might try to lurk. So you can wait a little bit for them to take position in the smoke.
How do those lan cheats work? I suppose it's not your typical blatant wh but something smaller that's not so noticeable both for the player but especially people behind them?
For the Molotov the suspicious part wasn’t where he threw it, it’s that he waited so long to throw it after having seen the guy behind the smoke before.
The sad part is that you can tell this guy is actually fairly decent at the game in terms of game sense. Takes a lot of knowledge and game sense to hide his cheats as well as he did and to make his kills look as natural as possible.
Also tells you how easy it is for any pro to cheat. And the process it takes to convict is insane as almost everything blatant or not gets passed off because of the level they play at. As I always say, if you got someone that is already good at the game and a well engineered cheat, then the world is your oyster. Most of the time you only need a slight advantage and it will push the odds in your favor. A couple rds can make all the difference between you and your team winning a million dollars and you going home empty handed.
@@TriWaZe It's very hard for pros to cheat. You are placed in front of a prepared PC and have a person behind you looking for cheats. So yeah, cheating at that level is borderline impossible.
@@vverbov22 Yes use the statistics from people who were caught and not all the ones not caught. Aim locks are the number one used cheat and almost all the Major team winners had someone using one at one pt or another
Give them an eye tracker done and done. But if we're able to spot them without it, then no point, but it's still cool to see what a pro player is looking at while playing.
I think the reason it’s so hard to detect is that he probably has a toggle that he’s using to play mostly without walls but checks it every once in a while. Just a guess though
I'm not even one to be suspicious of cheats very often, but lately in high ranked NA MM I've been seeing more cheaters. There was this guy with a very obvious triggerbot and another who got a very fast long range triple kill with five-seven all HS. My friend was saying that if the cheaters keep their matches played down low, it's very hard for overwatch to catch them and VAC is basically useless at this point.
I just yday asked all on server to report a player on my team since I realized he had no walls. He actually admitted and was pissed off at me for ”not wanting to win”..
not really, mm cheaters are horribly bad at hiding it, most of the time it's some gold nova player that constantly aims at the ground instead of clearing angles and drops 35 kills
does anyone know what he was using? i’ve always thought walls/chams/ESP was the best thing to have but it seems like at the highest levels of competition people are more likely to be using triggerbots or aimbots (humanized/high smoothing+on HK toggle) anyone know what features he had turned on in this gameplay? EDIT: nevermind lmao he has walls, still wondering if anything else tho
Lamo, thought pic of the dude was the CHUD soyjack in the thumb. It's actually him. The memes photoshop themselves. Although it is hard to tell in most of these without context and team callouts. I've heard someone 30s before and been able to guess where the other guy had to be based on the game context and map layout. His natural reactions seem a bit slow but so do mine. But a couple clips look very very sus. I still don't get how there aren't screen recorders on every pro to detect map and visual cheats.
It is possible that for the clip at 6:20 the molly caused a smoke bug which allowed him to see the enemies. I know he was caught cheating so in this instance its not a case of a smoke bug but IF this was an overwatch case i would always give the person the benefit of the doubt in situations where a molly/HE grenade is behind a smoke as smoke bugs are insanely common, i myself got a smoke bug which allowed me to instantly HS 3 people behind the smoke, got called a cheater by the enemies so decided to rewatch the demo to see if any potential overwatch viewer would be able to see what i saw and the smoke bug did not happen in the demo. Made me look like a clear cheater.
@@gabrielcheneyholub3330 Sorry for the very late reply but i wasn't defending him. I was informing people that certain things they might think are cheats are just bugs in the game. No longer an issue though since CS2 no longer has smoke bugs like this.
I like how seriously you take this topic, and the amount of professionalism you had while breaking down each play. You talked about the player like they are a criminal, and if you talk to anyone who has a few thousand LEGIT gameplay hours, we all talk about “them” the same way. Their sociopathic behavior needs to be noticed and brought into the air, and ultimately banned. For the sake of the community.
@@vonkitex No. However, if you are cheating in a competitive video game that people sometimes dedicate their lives to, and choose to ignore right and wrong, and covering it up / not respecting all players involved, I believe you are demonstrating sociopathic behavior. A lot of these cheaters also have this weird god complex and refuse to out right admit that the match is unfair, even if they're proven wrong, and will defend themselves by saying things such as "well everyone cheats", (which is untrue) or "I do this because I have fun ruining the game", or even out right ignoring it. To answer your question simply put, no. I do not believe your little brother is a sociopath, when I was 12 I cheated in Minecraft because I wanted diamonds. It is entirely different when it affects those around you and you demonstrate sociopathic behavior such as the listed examples above. (Thanks for the question, if you asked that, I'm sure someone else was thinking the same thing)
@@ShaaayCs Hi, thank you for your input! There was no need for him to reply because it was clearly just a big misunderstanding. Thank you and have a nice day! 😁
it's round 12. this probably isn't the first time opponents are on an eco. unless this is the first time he's entrying banana, he would have checked it before this round.
He has his crosshair above the sandbags??, so unnatural position. By making it look like a natural flick, he forgot his crosshair is in a very weird position, non one keeps it there.
@@lemonke5341 it is actually hard to get, since it requires gamesense usually. Basically, if you're good at the game, you're gonna know how to cheat better than other cheaters.
@@lemonke5341 it is though you need gamesense and proper timing to hide it, i used to cheat in valorant (i quit), but when i started cheating I was iron and had never played a tactical s&d game, i cheated for about a year and when I quit cheating for good (because cheating fucks up your pc and i got a new pc and decided it was time to quit) I made a new valorant account, and got placed plat legit then a year later now im immortal
I don't understand why the set up for pc and opening the game is not from who ever is hosting the event ... like they open the game make sure that no other program is running by task manager ... and how their team ignore his cheating are they not side to side in these event ?
Hiding hacks is hard. It takes considerable amount of skill to be able to do it. I gotta admit i have cheated before. When i was just starting cs in 2015. You gotta die intentionally, if you check a corner because someone is there now you gotta check it in the following rounds etc. I think the most important reason i never got cought is that as soon as the enemy got close and i knew their position already i turned wall hacks of and only relied on radar. You can unintentionally look at someone through the wall and that really gives you away. Radar alone gives you more than enough advantage while being less suspicious. Not to say you can't look suspicious you still need to sometimes look at the wrong directions and stuff but its definitely harder to get cought. I got so good at knowing when can i actually look somewhere because of clues as to where would they rotate or come from that I've developed game sense that i went on to use without hacks. I unintentionally got gud without hacks thanks to using hacks.
I'm the same, I cheated for a few years and honestly got insane gamesense from it, I was already decent before I started but it seriously elevated my gamesense by a lot lol
i geuss wallhacks would definitely help you to understand how the enemies move and how they peek. your understanding would be much better but i dont think you need to cheat to reach this level lol.
played casual a bunch and getting to see how different enemies move after you're dead + killcam made understanding the game flow much easier. cs becomes so much easier when you grasp what's going on over the whole map
I have read somewhere on twitter that his custom cheat was made exclusively for FaceIT and ESEA and not for this a/c that was running on this tournament.
There is a couple of damning moment, but overall he play it well so that some doubt remains: reacting once the enemy is "seen" or heard even though he was already aware of the presence and thus leaving room for a "good reflexes" explanation.
There are things that are explainable but others that are not, for example its perfectly fine to throw a molotov to clear a corner and then spam a smoke to try and catch someone running away but he takes it next level with the timing and then kills a second player randomly which makes it blatant hes cheating.
and there will STILL be people who say he's not cheating. CSGO's playerbase has the worst case of "battered wife" syndrome i've ever seen in any game. They KNOW there are cheaters and smurfs, they KNOW its a problem but they adamantly REFUSE to acknowledge it and become hostile any time anyone brings it up.
they did it too, like smurfing for fun, and feel bad that others are caught. Because the punishment is too harsh (permanent ban), they feel like they'd like to be given a 2nd chance if they are caught as well.
@@sety5591 True, some are also hiding in the closet. But there's also a bunch that are THAT ignorant, while there's also a bunch who just like to say everything that goes against common sense.
he was prolly using a radar hack by the looks of it, since they are hard to detect by anticheats and gives a great advantage thx to seeing all people (enemy and teammate) permanently on his radar. Could also have little bit of backtrack on but thats not sure (simply said: allows you to hit your enemes at a certain point back in time like 50ms for example, or shoot at an older tick on the server) I'd guess no aim assist aswell his crosshair placement looks decent to good when checking angles etc If I'd seen this as an Overwatch case I would've prolly ticked "visual assisntance only" since thats rather obvious at some points, his timings were just to perfect I cheated as a small kid in cs and other games, turned legit when I grew older, I know tons of stuff about cheats for cs cant explain them to well tho since a lack of vocabulary
@@keanwaverider7874 Exactly, he seemed completely legit. I was laughing, when the guy kept saying he is cheating despite it being legit plays, untill he said, he actually got caught.
@@BatMandor the site retake was called by teammates, he knew they were on site, the 2 smoke kills is the Molotov bug where you can see silhouettes through a smoke when theres a molly
The prefire on banana was obvious and the flash kill he had in middle was also obvious you saw his crosshair being dragged to the left were his enemy was, it was slightly but still obvious enough.
Been faceit lvl 10 for a few years when i was playing the game, its really hard to see if someone starts cheating after getting really good at the game, what i saw was some lucky sprays and prefires, those happen. So those could happen in a normal game, the only way to check for cheats is to run the computer down. What i am saying there is no way to check if someone is hacking by looking at the gameplay.
There's a player, droid, who plays for timberman and still has a ban from faceit for "cheating." The team is playing at the rmr qualifier. It might have been a false ban though. Update: after 2 years he's finally unbanned. Update 2: Banned again lol
@@foxize6913 I never said cheating though, I'm merely pointing out the kind of people someone banned for cheating associates with, and vice versa. Also, the toxicity they displayed was off the charts and was even called out by players like Elige.
I have global play days and silver 0 days due to inconsistencies in practice But you can profile your opponents' play style and use it against them What I do unless they're too good or hacking
Honestly, it's very hard to tell if he is cheating or not based on the gameplay footage. He is very good at hiding it, that's for sure. From what I've read in the comments, he was most likely using some sort of radar hack, probably even with bind key. Also, those 2 kills through the smoke could have easily been the molly smoke bug. The one deag in banana could have been a lineup and lucky timing. What might be a little sus is that he seems to play around the knowledge of where the enemy is (he doesn't check other corners, or checks specifically the corners where the enemy is, etc.)
@@hannibalbarca2939 If you mean 4:34. There were still 4 Terrorists alive so not that unlikely that 2 are on site, no? And before he got the first frag he already cleard the left side and was covered by the smoke, so just logical to move on site, no? Also his mate is coming from pit, so where else should he be going?
The main way to identify cheaters is through awarness as mentioned here multiple times. It's highly unlikely that a player can know the best time to flank so many times, be able to peek off angles you usually wouldn't peek like that and win consistently and of course not check corners you would usually always check. This is something that is the most obvious even when the cheater in question is able to hide the cheats very well. From what I could see he had a few slip ups here regarding his awarness might not have been enough to convict tho but it's something you can look out for when viewing overwatch cases if something feels off that's usually because there is.
Exactly, in my first couple of thousands hours of CS, I usually was hyper focused on the exact moment which the enemy cheater was DOING the act to report base on that! but in these days? Nah! I pay my attention to their play-style! If it is off I won't even care about the rest. It is usually enough for me to make my mind and report them.
What the worst part about this is that we haven’t had a cheater in a high tier Csgo tournament for quite a few years now, so I guess it was time we were given another. Edit: when I say “high tier”, I don’t mean it’s like the finals of a tier 1 tournament, I mean it’s not some random matchmaking or faceit game.
haven't had a high tier tournament cheater get CAUGHT in a while now... there's a difference, just because they haven't been caught, doesn't mean there aren't others still in these tournaments.
Shroud used a DMA device or Kernal cheats communicating directly through his mouse, same as many pros. Impossible to detect, especially kernal cheats are plug and play u can go to every tournament with it. He never was that good. Type in Shroud DMA on YT u get 40 mins of clear evidence. Thats the reason why he quited, because of his skill gap compared to the pro scene combined with a risk getting caught sooner or later and destroy his career. CS made him famous and got him a solid income. His whole career based on cheating in CSGO. Wake up kids.
Yeah Shroud basically the godfather of cheating and hiding it. Notice how he left CSG9 soon they chanced the LAN setup rules? Then went on to cheat his ass off in PUBG for 2.
I have over 2500 hours in cs:go I couldn't tell that he is cheating by just watching him. That makes me think about how many cheaters there actually might be on faceit/mm where I thought they are legit and just better than me.
Definitely on regular MM for sure. Cheating in faceit isn’t even worth to due to how insanely expensive it is and you’d only be getting simple features anyway
1:00 It wasn't the first time he checked middle. Since he's the one behind the whole team, this is pretty common 1:18 common pre-fire spot 1:27 he already had the info on that guy, since he was trading bullets with his team mate and the list goes on, but I would like to highlight one more moment: 5:57 he was waiting for the fist smoke to dissipate. As soon as it did, he threw the molotov and start spamming, just in case someone was hiding there and possibly be prepared to take out the molly with a smoke or start running from the flames. I tend to do something similar on Mirage whenever I'm playing CT on B site: as soon as the round starts, I rush to throw a molotov at the kitchen and start spamming the wooden window. But back to Inferno, that spot is very useful for the Ts to take out the coffin player, while keeping yourself somewhat in a safe area out of the CT base players line of sight. I've even seen some lineups that allows the Ts to get a headshot on the coffin player through a smoke there. These plays are fairly common. The second kill that he got, though, was definitely vision assisted. There were many moments that gave out the fact that he was cheating, mainly regarding his movement and reloading, as it was said before on this comments section. I just hope that when the next Chaos EC appears doing blatantly assisted plays, people do a in-depth investigation like they did here instead of saying "welp, the anti-cheat didn't got anything, so since it's absolutely impossible to bypass it, they are 100% legit". MiBR was a really bad team back then, but man, the tracking on Fer on dust2 long through wall and the attempt to get a obvious impossible wallbang at overpass was disgusting. It baffles me how at the time, most of the youtubers purposely avoided talking about the clips that were in fact suspicious, and instead just talked about clips that showed nothing.
I KNOW that having no skins isn't supposed to be a tell. But in reality it is, EVERY player has SOME form of skins. In-game drops, cases opened SOMETHING to that effect. No one just has DEFAULT skins at THIS LEVEL in a major RMR. MM/ESEA open sure, newer players I get it. In a RMR for a MAJOR, you've got some TIME put into the game, and have accumulated some skins. No one just picks up CS:GO and is a absolute unit. There are some cases of anomalies like m0nsey, and such I understand that too.
@@ThebelgiumgamerFTW I'm saying he's a prodigy, he has natural talent when it comes to hand and eye coordination. He excels passed the majority of people at his age.
@@kives6392 YOU'RE not playing an RMR for the major. I'm not talking the casual gold nova 4 MM/pug players. With the exception of elige, which DOES have skins. Tell me a competitor t1 to t3 that has NO skins of any kind? You have 2k hours in a 10 year old game you're a CASUAL player, I'm not referring to you buddy.
Crazy thing is lately I've been getting in games with cheaters quite a bit. I watch the demo and confirm it. Not sure if I've been put into a low trust factor or what. 6k hours 12kmvps never cheated. I wish valve could do something about it.
iv had very poor luck in DM-GE games lately. Alot of closet cheaters that do more sus stuff then this guy. Striaght up staring at people thru walls. Blatantly mollying just where people are not mollying line ups or anything or empty spots. I really hope cs2 brings a better anti cheat system cause after almost 10 years playing now, id hate to abandon a game that use to bring me so much joy. RIP 2014-2018 CSGO.
I've been getting a lot of these types of players who don't clear ANY angles except the ones where someone is. Oh, sick game sense you just run through 17 different spots you could get shot from and prefire the only one where I am when you can't possibly have info on it? Nice.
3:20 one hundred percent him just trying to hide wh and then "react". What is he doing the half second before the flick? He's just having his crosshair in some sort of limbo position waiting to "react" with a flick headshot
They should make it like players need to sign a contract before participating in a tournament which allows the organization to sue the players if they are caught cheating. This way they will not only get banned but get legal actions against them. I think this way many people will not get the balls to cheat in tournaments.
Or, get this, just get a good anticheat. You don't hear cheating like this in Valorant so idk why its still a problem in CS when you had so much time(years) in the world to address it.
His crosshair placement tells a lot. He leaves the crosshair in bad spots on purpose as if he's waiting for a good opportunity to pretend that he's surprised. It happens too often. Probably because having a crosshair in the natural spot would make it too obvious. the 6:50 clip is the best tell. Who leaves the crosshair there THEN snaps to the right place? not a Major-capable player.
Actually there are so many inconsistencies throwing away the fact hes using a wallhack, this is just one example among a lot of (position, map movement, timings, clearings...)
This is the reason i stop playing pro level back then. The more you climb the more you experience cheating. So many weird shit happened even during livestreaming of the best team.
An above average csgo player can see that hes balantly using wh idu how you guys say that hes good at hiding XD he even aims through the walls and doesnt clear any corners goes straigt to the enemies in clutch situations wtf
With all due respect... You're talking out of your ass, ive seen DMG's with better game sense if you claim he does you should move on to another topic since you probably have about 100 hours in the game and are hardstuck silver. Or some old man who thinks he's still got it eitherway get out. please stop commenting shit you think people wanna hear, you're just embarrassing yourself with such stupid comments same goes for the ppl who liked this comment ...
7:30 again, what did his teamates call for info? They could have said ”both site” when walking down short he could have heard steps. When hes clearing the angles on site hes just doing a good job. Why would he clear the angles and then have to flick back to the player?????
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The worst part of cheating is how it fucks everyone else over. Once you're caught obviously your team is disqualified, but then every team you beat (unfairly) is already eliminated with no chance of redemption. They don't have time in these tight qualifiers to reschedule, redo and re-seed a bunch of matches. If you lost to a cheater, well it just sucks to be you.
bro the match literally got overturned it says in the begging of the video
@@waf6235 yes they only played 1 game, but if they had played 3 for example only the last team they played would get to advance. The other teams don't get a chance.
And this has happened before.
@@waf6235 for example, this cheating team almost played a 2nd game, they were in the warmup when he got banned. If they had played that game and won (or lost) that team would get to advance but this other team from this video would be shit out of luck.
to be fair if he's using wall hacks it'd be pretty obvious to his team mates, compared to fallen when using an aimbot the software isn't exactly visible.
@@y0blue I'm not sure how that relates to why it sucks that people cheat but ok.
But also based on his teammates still playing pugs with him after he was banned, they most likely knew.
I was the head of CEVO anti-cheat for the first 2 years of its existence. I've watched thousands of hours of demos. What gives him away is reloading his gun while in common spam spots because subconsciously he can see they aren't about to try to spam though a smoke. Like when he reloaded on coffins. You would hide until you are done reloading.
That's really insightful, thanks. 👍
wow i didnt notice that at all , he did reload out in the open when other people would hide and jiggle peek if they are in the same position
I bet a lot of pros could easily spot a walling cheater if they see him not clear out every spot and instead always goes right to where they are.
I was gonna say the spam and prefire weren't even the problem from what the video showed. More of reloads, jiggles, and where he was looking the rest of the time that didn't make sense.
For me on this demo it's obvious that he moves like a bot, it is highly unlikely someone with such low level movement can have such game sense.
It's not just him strafing into walls half the time, it's way he positions him self and path he takes towards that. Looks so lost. Someone who played 1000's of hours and got gud would move waaaaay differently to give him self higher chance to win.
Hey, sometimes your opponent is just having a really good day
frlly
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A good gaming chair is all you need.
He does a great job hiding it. Most (but not all) of the plays are things you would reasonably do when familiar with the game. It's just the consistent 100% success rate that makes it sus, there's never a false read or mistake
Yeah thought the same thing. If I watched this without knowing he was cheating, the only one that would have seemed really off to me is the double smoke kill, more specifically the second kill. Even that first kill can be reasonably written off as knowing where to spam and some luck, but the second one seemed like he was lining up a bit too much.
Almost all of the other clips can be explained with knowing the game and a bit of luck. Nothing extremely weird until you really break stuff down and think "should he really be peeking that instead of another angle?" or "why would he push this way at this time with the knowledge he has?" but definitely not stuff you would ever catch normally just by watching it without the knowledge that he was cheating.
@@KontrolYT It's about the frequency. In 29 rounds he had 5+ smoke spams.
At some points you can see that he is "acting" though, like you see he is playing like someone without knowledge, but making it seem like he doesn't know until the very end, and that makes it a bit too obvious, because better players would be checking more thoroughly, and expecting players.
No he does not, and you would know if you cheat yourself but you don't your whole opinion is biased by the fact he played for a pro team. I cheat myself and I have for years cheaters can easily spot cheaters simple ass that every cheater EVER has same weird and sus things they do no matter how legit you cheat i can guarantee you i can spot it and soo can other long tike cheaters ( cry about it all you want "oh you're ruining the game for other players thats not what am here to talk about) Also stop commenting this BS everyone's doing it and you're just commenting shit you think people wanna hear and it's genuinely pathetic you've got no own opinion and when you do you just lie to yourself so it still really isn't your own opinion... fuck yall weird
Yea, there's never going to be clear video of cheating. We're already accustomed to making excuses wall tracking, smoke kills, 'game sense', perfect flicks and everything else.
It's understandable how some people are defending him. He is really good at hiding it, the reason being he does have some high level of game sense and aim. However, anyone who is decent at the game will know that the way he plays is unnatural and most likely cheating.
decided to see the raw footage of the match to check each clip and the only one that seems super strange is that double smoke kill.
Is it walls or did he have the smoke bug since a molly was thrown deep into the pit behind it?
I thought the 1v2 at the end seemed off untill i watched the raw footage and you can hear them both on site and one even makes noise failing to jump onto a box.
@@CJBeamedYou The deagle shot to car was super strange to me, weird how people don't seem to be talking about it. It's one thing to be preaiming, but he traces the guy.
@@bermuda333 but if you watch other pros, you see it much more then u expect. but i dont think its about cheats, but more about luck, timing and general crosshair placement.
But u are the kind to watch flusha videos and deny he had cheats.
@@bermuda333
The only other round that seems super strange is round 13. The guy looks completly clueless in banana and the way he peeks the first guy on B is terrible.
It is strange how he never seems to pre fire common spots or spam smokes at all unless someone was inside it. I think thats what gives him away in the end for me
I just finished watching the full demo and based on the full thing i would say he is walling but only based from watching the full demo.
It dosent help that the other team sucked and got dominated by utility the whole game. If they were alot better we would of seen a more blatent demo
The Clara edit 😂😂😂
waAait ClaREra???!!
it's sad that she still comes up as the only cheater, when the pro scene is infested with them. given that not a single pro was ever caught cheating, why wouldn't they all do it?~
kilt me
The thing that makes this even better is that he was playing with 4TAYLOR, the most notorious stream sniper in NA and I believe this is now his 2nd/3rd team mate to get banned for cheating.
I'm surprised they don't have eye trackers at tournaments like this. You'd see someones eyes flicking over to someone they shouldn't be able to see. You could train yourself to not look directly and use your peripheral vision but it just adds another layer of protection and makes it easier to slip up.
very good concept i wonder how that would play out.
the qualifiers aren't lan tournaments. and for on the stage, i doubt it's necessary at this point. that one guy from india is pretty much the only example i've ever heard of of anyone attempting to cheat at an actual tournament.
maybe you could implement it somehow for online tournaments but i don't really see how.
Well I tend to aim where I shoot, so if my gamesense tells me someone is pushing a smoke I'm gonna look and aim at him without seeing him. This wouldn't tell you anything.
@@g3volution it can tell you when you are cheatng and watching ppl throught the walls without aiming at them
@@themightypotato3857 and KQLY of course
The thing that sucks the most about this is the fact that he WAS cheating and it’s so hard to tell, which means that if there were people even better at hiding it, there could be cheaters in professional cs, which would be devastating
Ehhh. When they reach a certain level it's just impossible. Cus what so you do at a lan. You cant wallhack cus there are constantly people behind you. Only aimboy is technically possible at that high of a level but even the best aimbots are still obviously aimbots
Ofcourse there are cheaters at the highest level. In every sport there are cheaters at the highest level. Cycling, mma, football, boxing, athletics. People will always try to get an unfair advantage if presented the opportunity.
@@stephenponnet462 some wallhacks can be so small that someone looking at your screen might not notice. like a slightly off colored pixel
@@thankyou4328 was looking for this comment.
@@stephenponnet462 well Forsaken do in a Final match on lan. The cheat for this guy not begin detected in all tournament..
Some people are cheating for years and they know how not to get banned. I played with a guy like 2 years ago and he said that ever since 2015 he is cheating in the game. He had nice 4-5k inventory and more than 1k mm wins. I always report players that are weird just in case.
Report them if they are suspicious. Nothing will happen (usually) if they aren't cheating. Call it the greatest form of flattery.
true, i have been cheating since late 2016 and had very few accounts get banned
@@jasgripen6621 don't cheat nerd
@@jasgripen6621 loser
@@skitzmang9756 i agree its ruining the game, but its also very fun
word first one i found start watchign these thanks man
It's also way easier to hide it on B site and Banana on Inferno since their usually one point of contact for the T's and CT's. If he played on A site it would've been weird how the only times he looked at Balcony was when a T was there.
No problem man, glad I could help. If anyone is interested, I recorded the whole demo from his POV, on my channel.
Is there any more detail over how exactly he got caught? it seems we are not super clear on whether it was wall hacks or what?
I think the thing that is most suspicious is how confident he plays when he knows there aren't enemies around. When hes trying to hide his walls/vision assistance to get a kill, he will clear every corner, jiggle peak and then get the kill. But when hes not around anybody, even in situations where there could be enemies very close, he doesn't bother doing the same routine. Its only when he gets near to the opposing team where he starts doing it again.
to confirm his cheats you can skip to 2.53 where he is pushing up mid and holding right angle. As soon as the CT moves slowly to peek he adjusts the crosshair because he saw him through the walls getting ready to peek. Then adjusted it again when he saw a pixel of his body. That is enough for me lol.
yup cheaters tend to tunnel vision
And btw: That's clearly run and gun isnt it? Looks like hardcore aim assistance at this point. @@YSL069
The smoke part in 5:58 , could even happen if you get this smoke bug when you can see their shadow after you throw a molly or a grenade in or near a smoke.
but still, there are no players in major qualifiers that they peek weird/run and gun without clearing several angles in a 1vX
i love how the smoke bug has become the perfect excuse for endless smoke kills
The ‘most obvious part’ at 6:05 looks like something Glaive used to do 6 times a map
honestly just seemed like a good prefire spot and good crosshair placement even if he was cheating
Yeah that was far from the most obvious part.
that actually look legit play, he just waited for the smoke behind to fade off then threw molotov to corner to clear it and spammed the smoke if there was someone running off and tbh there was not a single part in this video where you can clearly tell he was cheating, after seeing this video i dont even think he was banned because of wallhack. he might have had some boosted audio shit or somthing but there is nothing in this gameplay that indicates that he had wallhack.
Same with the spam on the CT behind the smoke in the normal boost spot/hugging the right wall spot.
Glaive probably cheated too
Just imagine how many times he has to remind himself to not shoot through smokes or track through walls when you are constantly seeing full body outlines 😂 I would go nuts dawg !!
What a freaking guy, such a legend
i love when they turn for a flash before the sound cue 🤣
I've played CS since a kid in 1.3. I'm no pro but was LEM back in the day and did amateur competitive for spell. Thousands of hours. At this point you know intuitively pretty well whether you're getting owned because you're being outplayed or you're being owned because someone is cheating.
It's amazing how much shit the Indian comp scene got because of forsaken, but other nations only get temporary team bans or something not that major, every other cheating video starts with forsaken's video. Crazy
I must say the peek at 3:48 was the most blatant, the fact that it’s such a specific corner to check and also the insane speed between spotting him and shooting. (obvious prefire)
Could also be the demos tick rate. But still that was really fast even if it was just a random prefire.
cheater detective knows best
i like how the name says bell on the scoreboard as a way to anonymize the name, but at the end of the game, at the very bottom, it still shows the name not anonymized, and so you can see the name missing is Pawt
This video is a lot better than the last one. The fact that Tibaw is talking about how the play could have been legit, and how it's more likely to be cheats. More clips that are suspicious, and more blatant cheating than the last demo he watched. He also gives more info about the game like "he usually doesn't check this spot" so a normal banana clear is isn't as innocent as you think.
i dunno i hate it when they watch a guy flick to 3 different enemies thru walls and then go 'well, probably nothing'
He also has recoil control, you can tell his crosshair does the perfect spray control pattern every time.
Let’s all agree, even though he hacked, we all have hit that banana shot with a deagle in the head.
I’m old. I played way back when when this first came out. Is it normal now for you to be able to see the outlines of enemy players behind walls?
He isn’t even totally clearing corners. He keeps half assing and walks right when he knows someone is there. His sprays through smokes are easily his biggest giveaway. He is only spraying one part and when he knows someone isn’t there he sprays for a fraction of the time.
7:30 i love the BM at the end, emptying the whole clip into his body like they noticed he is bullshit, but yeah this must be (with the smoke clip) the most obvious as a spectator at least.
the molotov clip is explainable: throwing a molly/nade behind a smoke shows a silhouette of the person behind the smoke. had done it to/from many times in tournaments 🤷♀️
Im glad he got caught. but 1 question: how to pre-aim without aiming through walls? ?
For a while it was a close match even with his cheats. Without it would prob be easy for the enemy team. He slips up and makes some moes that look blatant. cos he is determined to win. If someone was using them to get an edge, but also will to just lose to not give away the fact they are cheating. then it would be much harder to detect or suspect.
Doubt. Even without cheats, he is a pro player and there are 4 other people on his team.
@@vverbov22 "doubt" its quite obvious they would of lost if they didn't have a cheater on their team, and calling him pro is a joke at this point, it's a garbage bag with wheels
the impeccable flanks and timings are one of the most underrated telltale signs of a cheater.
Would love to see more of this kind of videos.
Its also the best sign to notice experienced players lol its not that simple
@@darth9272 No. There are certain things which you just can not know. That clearing A site was a blatant example of that, there was a possibility of him taking a risk ofcourse, but the way he played at that high level of play just doesn't make sense. You could see that his whole assumption was that they are both on site, and most likely not peeking him, as that is the way which he was prepared for , and not prepared for anything else. He obviously doesn't have walls. But he can sense with a trigger to point his crosshair towards the enemy. That is the only explanation, as that is exactly what it looks like , eliminating every single other possibility.
@@darth9272 got the excuses ready for your fav. pro who always 'backstabs'
and never seems to check anything except where teh enemy is, eh?
@@korana6308 Pro level matches contain more prediction and well... pro plays.
Yes, you can't just know everything. But regardless, on pro level, you can make very educated guesses about the enemy team. The new meta is to oppose meta.
During an online regular match there is a lot of unpredictable behaviour due to lack of communication, frustration, a bored player or different player ability.
You can play like a pro with a 5 man team all you want, but some dude pushing through smoke with a p90 all of a sudden just because he is bored... That you CAN'T know.
What you can predict however, on a pro level, is that they MIGHT wait for you to spray the smoke but if you don't they might try to lurk. So you can wait a little bit for them to take position in the smoke.
How do those lan cheats work? I suppose it's not your typical blatant wh but something smaller that's not so noticeable both for the player but especially people behind them?
For the Molotov the suspicious part wasn’t where he threw it, it’s that he waited so long to throw it after having seen the guy behind the smoke before.
Wooo in game footage!
The sad part is that you can tell this guy is actually fairly decent at the game in terms of game sense. Takes a lot of knowledge and game sense to hide his cheats as well as he did and to make his kills look as natural as possible.
Also tells you how easy it is for any pro to cheat. And the process it takes to convict is insane as almost everything blatant or not gets passed off because of the level they play at. As I always say, if you got someone that is already good at the game and a well engineered cheat, then the world is your oyster. Most of the time you only need a slight advantage and it will push the odds in your favor. A couple rds can make all the difference between you and your team winning a million dollars and you going home empty handed.
@@TriWaZe It's very hard for pros to cheat. You are placed in front of a prepared PC and have a person behind you looking for cheats. So yeah, cheating at that level is borderline impossible.
@@vverbov22 Its very easy to cheat. Its been proven dozens of times how lazy they are with allowing people to use their own peripherals.
@@TriWaZe And yet, cheating in professional tournaments is one in a year scenario at best. Statistics just prove you wrong
@@vverbov22 Yes use the statistics from people who were caught and not all the ones not caught. Aim locks are the number one used cheat and almost all the Major team winners had someone using one at one pt or another
I4:20 what is that player skin? i want it. Isnt that the 1.6 Model?
Give them an eye tracker done and done. But if we're able to spot them without it, then no point, but it's still cool to see what a pro player is looking at while playing.
I think the reason it’s so hard to detect is that he probably has a toggle that he’s using to play mostly without walls but checks it every once in a while. Just a guess though
This makes you realize just how many people are cheating like this in MM
MM is garbage
I'm not even one to be suspicious of cheats very often, but lately in high ranked NA MM I've been seeing more cheaters. There was this guy with a very obvious triggerbot and another who got a very fast long range triple kill with five-seven all HS. My friend was saying that if the cheaters keep their matches played down low, it's very hard for overwatch to catch them and VAC is basically useless at this point.
I just yday asked all on server to report a player on my team since I realized he had no walls. He actually admitted and was pissed off at me for ”not wanting to win”..
not really, mm cheaters are horribly bad at hiding it, most of the time it's some gold nova player that constantly aims at the ground instead of clearing angles and drops 35 kills
@@sfbenji you can cheat overwatch by playing 1 match a day
does anyone know what he was using?
i’ve always thought walls/chams/ESP was the best thing to have but it seems like at the highest levels of competition people are more likely to be using triggerbots or aimbots (humanized/high smoothing+on HK toggle)
anyone know what features he had turned on in this gameplay?
EDIT: nevermind lmao he has walls, still wondering if anything else tho
Lamo, thought pic of the dude was the CHUD soyjack in the thumb. It's actually him. The memes photoshop themselves. Although it is hard to tell in most of these without context and team callouts. I've heard someone 30s before and been able to guess where the other guy had to be based on the game context and map layout. His natural reactions seem a bit slow but so do mine. But a couple clips look very very sus. I still don't get how there aren't screen recorders on every pro to detect map and visual cheats.
Im not usually comment type guy. But when it comes to cheating, its a huge and hard problem. Thank you very much! You've done a great job mate!
It is possible that for the clip at 6:20 the molly caused a smoke bug which allowed him to see the enemies. I know he was caught cheating so in this instance its not a case of a smoke bug but IF this was an overwatch case i would always give the person the benefit of the doubt in situations where a molly/HE grenade is behind a smoke as smoke bugs are insanely common, i myself got a smoke bug which allowed me to instantly HS 3 people behind the smoke, got called a cheater by the enemies so decided to rewatch the demo to see if any potential overwatch viewer would be able to see what i saw and the smoke bug did not happen in the demo. Made me look like a clear cheater.
why are you defending him?
@@gabrielcheneyholub3330 Sorry for the very late reply but i wasn't defending him. I was informing people that certain things they might think are cheats are just bugs in the game. No longer an issue though since CS2 no longer has smoke bugs like this.
"Hey, sometimes your opponent is just having a good day."
The biggest issue is that the cheater knows when to peek and when not he can tell where the other team members aiming at etc or while in motion
I like how seriously you take this topic, and the amount of professionalism you had while breaking down each play. You talked about the player like they are a criminal, and if you talk to anyone who has a few thousand LEGIT gameplay hours, we all talk about “them” the same way. Their sociopathic behavior needs to be noticed and brought into the air, and ultimately banned. For the sake of the community.
"Sociopathic behavior" 😂what a nerd... My little brother cheats on Roblox is he a sociopath?
@@vonkitex No. However, if you are cheating in a competitive video game that people sometimes dedicate their lives to, and choose to ignore right and wrong, and covering it up / not respecting all players involved, I believe you are demonstrating sociopathic behavior.
A lot of these cheaters also have this weird god complex and refuse to out right admit that the match is unfair, even if they're proven wrong, and will defend themselves by saying things such as "well everyone cheats", (which is untrue) or "I do this because I have fun ruining the game", or even out right ignoring it.
To answer your question simply put, no. I do not believe your little brother is a sociopath, when I was 12 I cheated in Minecraft because I wanted diamonds. It is entirely different when it affects those around you and you demonstrate sociopathic behavior such as the listed examples above.
(Thanks for the question, if you asked that, I'm sure someone else was thinking the same thing)
@@dec1malbro he never respond to you 🤣 he is so speechless 🤣
@@ShaaayCs Hi, thank you for your input! There was no need for him to reply because it was clearly just a big misunderstanding. Thank you and have a nice day! 😁
Based moments. Looks like a guardian elite trying to blame big star in cheating. All moments could be explained.
Are these like online qualifiers or something, like was he on his own pc and if not how do people get cheats working at these pro events?
That smoke 2k part on B and 1v2 retake from short sold it all
3:21 "he hasnt checked this up until this pt" bruh its rifles vs pistols and its a v common 57/mag/cz spot
it's round 12. this probably isn't the first time opponents are on an eco. unless this is the first time he's entrying banana, he would have checked it before this round.
He has his crosshair above the sandbags??, so unnatural position. By making it look like a natural flick, he forgot his crosshair is in a very weird position, non one keeps it there.
Being this good at hiding your cheating is a skill in and of itself
yeah paying thousands for a private cheat and cheat on major games... the skill is being an asshole
a skill thats not hard to get at all
@@lemonke5341 it is actually hard to get, since it requires gamesense usually. Basically, if you're good at the game, you're gonna know how to cheat better than other cheaters.
@@lemonke5341 it is though you need gamesense and proper timing to hide it, i used to cheat in valorant (i quit), but when i started cheating I was iron and had never played a tactical s&d game, i cheated for about a year and when I quit cheating for good (because cheating fucks up your pc and i got a new pc and decided it was time to quit) I made a new valorant account, and got placed plat legit then a year later now im immortal
it's the most important skill for pro-cs
I don't understand why the set up for pc and opening the game is not from who ever is hosting the event ... like they open the game make sure that no other program is running by task manager ... and how their team ignore his cheating are they not side to side in these event ?
How was he caught, did the admin manually review the footage or was he caught with an anticheat software?
Hiding hacks is hard. It takes considerable amount of skill to be able to do it. I gotta admit i have cheated before. When i was just starting cs in 2015.
You gotta die intentionally, if you check a corner because someone is there now you gotta check it in the following rounds etc.
I think the most important reason i never got cought is that as soon as the enemy got close and i knew their position already i turned wall hacks of and only relied on radar. You can unintentionally look at someone through the wall and that really gives you away.
Radar alone gives you more than enough advantage while being less suspicious. Not to say you can't look suspicious you still need to sometimes look at the wrong directions and stuff but its definitely harder to get cought.
I got so good at knowing when can i actually look somewhere because of clues as to where would they rotate or come from that I've developed game sense that i went on to use without hacks.
I unintentionally got gud without hacks thanks to using hacks.
Congrats on improving your game sense like every other player does legitly.
I'm the same, I cheated for a few years and honestly got insane gamesense from it, I was already decent before I started but it seriously elevated my gamesense by a lot lol
i geuss wallhacks would definitely help you to understand how the enemies move and how they peek. your understanding would be much better but i dont think you need to cheat to reach this level lol.
@@hellraider7647 Well i didn't do it to improve it was just a side effect.
played casual a bunch and getting to see how different enemies move after you're dead + killcam made understanding the game flow much easier. cs becomes so much easier when you grasp what's going on over the whole map
I have read somewhere on twitter that his custom cheat was made exclusively for FaceIT and ESEA and not for this a/c that was running on this tournament.
Any chance you can point me in the direction of that tweet
If the Server was running with v
Valve Anti-Cheat there is no Chance of cheating....
@@thankyou4328 I'll try to find it. Stay tuned.
@@foofighter91x91 Ikr, it also says cheating is against the rules so this video is fake.
There is a couple of damning moment, but overall he play it well so that some doubt remains: reacting once the enemy is "seen" or heard even though he was already aware of the presence and thus leaving room for a "good reflexes" explanation.
My giveaway is that he intentionally never looked directly into smokes, he always avoided moving his crosshair over the people in smokes
How was he actually caught? Was it lan and they checked the PC?
Anticheat mby
If that was on LAN I hope they broke his ARM or leg to avoid more cheating in the future :) Quick and easy solution
@@AWUUUUUSYNUUUUU I like this solution.
There are things that are explainable but others that are not, for example its perfectly fine to throw a molotov to clear a corner and then spam a smoke to try and catch someone running away but he takes it next level with the timing and then kills a second player randomly which makes it blatant hes cheating.
Sorry I watched this without audio. All I know is that player is really good keep up the great content I'd like to see more of them!
Where can I watch the major this is my first cs major I'm watching
and there will STILL be people who say he's not cheating. CSGO's playerbase has the worst case of "battered wife" syndrome i've ever seen in any game. They KNOW there are cheaters and smurfs, they KNOW its a problem but they adamantly REFUSE to acknowledge it and become hostile any time anyone brings it up.
they did it too, like smurfing for fun, and feel bad that others are caught. Because the punishment is too harsh (permanent ban), they feel like they'd like to be given a 2nd chance if they are caught as well.
no gamesense issue tbh
@@sety5591 True, some are also hiding in the closet. But there's also a bunch that are THAT ignorant, while there's also a bunch who just like to say everything that goes against common sense.
because they're all fanbois
he was prolly using a radar hack by the looks of it, since they are hard to detect by anticheats and gives a great advantage thx to seeing all people (enemy and teammate) permanently on his radar. Could also have little bit of backtrack on but thats not sure (simply said: allows you to hit your enemes at a certain point back in time like 50ms for example, or shoot at an older tick on the server)
I'd guess no aim assist aswell his crosshair placement looks decent to good when checking angles etc
If I'd seen this as an Overwatch case I would've prolly ticked "visual assisntance only" since thats rather obvious at some points, his timings were just to perfect
I cheated as a small kid in cs and other games, turned legit when I grew older, I know tons of stuff about cheats for cs cant explain them to well tho since a lack of vocabulary
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love how he tracked the guy through the wall with deagle and prefired without even seeing him in the second round
That Molly he threw looks a lot like a smoke glitch tho..
THIS ONE !!!!
Also that's a common spam. You throw a molly and you spam where you think someone could be running towards.
Man if he really was cheating, then damn, he is good at hiding. Cuz to me he seems completely legit.
I know right, you see pros hitting these plays daily
@@keanwaverider7874 Exactly, he seemed completely legit. I was laughing, when the guy kept saying he is cheating despite it being legit plays, untill he said, he actually got caught.
@@BatMandor the site retake was called by teammates, he knew they were on site, the 2 smoke kills is the Molotov bug where you can see silhouettes through a smoke when theres a molly
The prefire on banana was obvious and the flash kill he had in middle was also obvious you saw his crosshair being dragged to the left were his enemy was, it was slightly but still obvious enough.
@@colin6697 source: trust me bro
is his name pawt or bell.. only articles coming up saying his name is pewt
if that guy was "good" at hiding his cheats then i should be untouchable lmao
Been faceit lvl 10 for a few years when i was playing the game, its really hard to see if someone starts cheating after getting really good at the game, what i saw was some lucky sprays and prefires, those happen. So those could happen in a normal game, the only way to check for cheats is to run the computer down. What i am saying there is no way to check if someone is hacking by looking at the gameplay.
Lmfao what? Of course you can tell if someone is cheating by gameplay alone, especially if they’re obvious/slip up
There's a player, droid, who plays for timberman and still has a ban from faceit for "cheating." The team is playing at the rmr qualifier. It might have been a false ban though.
Update: after 2 years he's finally unbanned.
Update 2: Banned again lol
Hard to say it’s a false ban when there’s also the topic of some his teammates being banned on ESEA for malicious activity.
@@ntgrg08 his teammates were banned for being toxic off faceit and esea, nothing to do with cheating.
@@foxize6913 I never said cheating though, I'm merely pointing out the kind of people someone banned for cheating associates with, and vice versa. Also, the toxicity they displayed was off the charts and was even called out by players like Elige.
The "hey wtf?! claira" really gets me 😂
I have global play days and silver 0 days due to inconsistencies in practice
But you can profile your opponents' play style and use it against them
What I do unless they're too good or hacking
I hate it that valve don't try to do anything about cheating like make anti cheat better because I keep running into a lot of cheaters
I left CS GO as fast as Valorant has gotten released, left this garbage behind.
@@Diopside. lmfao you might just be 12
@@leoN13312sorry to say but dont fanboy csgo up sure its a great game , but valorant does something right
@@TheYaq csgo is how many years old and still has millions more players, nerd
@@leoN13312 fanboy cant accept reality csgo is like 10 years old and still bad anticheat , and most ppl gamble skins thats why csgo is fame
Honestly, it's very hard to tell if he is cheating or not based on the gameplay footage. He is very good at hiding it, that's for sure. From what I've read in the comments, he was most likely using some sort of radar hack, probably even with bind key. Also, those 2 kills through the smoke could have easily been the molly smoke bug. The one deag in banana could have been a lineup and lucky timing.
What might be a little sus is that he seems to play around the knowledge of where the enemy is (he doesn't check other corners, or checks specifically the corners where the enemy is, etc.)
When you retake A inferno, when do you assume both are on site? It's so rare.
@@hannibalbarca2939 no?
@@maxsuicide4767 I appreciate your reply bro
The lineup he had on the retake on A Inferno. The guy on top of the box. I can't think of a time where I've seen anyone choose to pre-aim there.
@@hannibalbarca2939 If you mean 4:34. There were still 4 Terrorists alive so not that unlikely that 2 are on site, no? And before he got the first frag he already cleard the left side and was covered by the smoke, so just logical to move on site, no? Also his mate is coming from pit, so where else should he be going?
The main way to identify cheaters is through awarness as mentioned here multiple times.
It's highly unlikely that a player can know the best time to flank so many times, be able to peek off angles you usually wouldn't peek like that and win consistently and of course not check corners you would usually always check.
This is something that is the most obvious even when the cheater in question is able to hide the cheats very well. From what I could see he had a few slip ups here regarding his awarness might not have been enough to convict tho but it's something you can look out for when viewing overwatch cases if something feels off that's usually because there is.
Exactly, in my first couple of thousands hours of CS, I usually was hyper focused on the exact moment which the enemy cheater was DOING the act to report base on that! but in these days? Nah! I pay my attention to their play-style! If it is off I won't even care about the rest. It is usually enough for me to make my mind and report them.
You cant cheat with wallhack without getting noticed if they are playing on a stage? They have ppl walking behind all the time? Is he playing with vr?
What the worst part about this is that we haven’t had a cheater in a high tier Csgo tournament for quite a few years now, so I guess it was time we were given another.
Edit: when I say “high tier”, I don’t mean it’s like the finals of a tier 1 tournament, I mean it’s not some random matchmaking or faceit game.
It’s not really a high tier match just a qualifier that is online so anyone can cheat it they wanted too
This was an open qualifier than anyone who wanted could attend. This is far from "high tier cs"
we just never try to catch them. wonder how they got this guy.
haven't had a high tier tournament cheater get CAUGHT in a while now... there's a difference, just because they haven't been caught, doesn't mean there aren't others still in these tournaments.
@@thekamotodragon isn’t that the case with like everything with competitive value?
Shroud used a DMA device or Kernal cheats communicating directly through his mouse, same as many pros. Impossible to detect, especially kernal cheats are plug and play u can go to every tournament with it. He never was that good. Type in Shroud DMA on YT u get 40 mins of clear evidence. Thats the reason why he quited, because of his skill gap compared to the pro scene combined with a risk getting caught sooner or later and destroy his career. CS made him famous and got him a solid income. His whole career based on cheating in CSGO. Wake up kids.
Yeah Shroud basically the godfather of cheating and hiding it. Notice how he left CSG9 soon they chanced the LAN setup rules? Then went on to cheat his ass off in PUBG for 2.
as these matches are for money, cheaters should be in court for fraud/attempted fraud.
2:00 silent aim? and in general just esp right?
I have over 2500 hours in cs:go I couldn't tell that he is cheating by just watching him. That makes me think about how many cheaters there actually might be on faceit/mm where I thought they are legit and just better than me.
Definitely on regular MM for sure. Cheating in faceit isn’t even worth to due to how insanely expensive it is and you’d only be getting simple features anyway
Anyone with common sense knows that he didn't cheat during this game
@@jezovsky dude caught with a cheat program but no cheats, sure mate
@@mkzhero are you stupid?
good old Clara :D
1:00 It wasn't the first time he checked middle. Since he's the one behind the whole team, this is pretty common
1:18 common pre-fire spot
1:27 he already had the info on that guy, since he was trading bullets with his team mate
and the list goes on, but I would like to highlight one more moment:
5:57 he was waiting for the fist smoke to dissipate. As soon as it did, he threw the molotov and start spamming, just in case someone was hiding there and possibly be prepared to take out the molly with a smoke or start running from the flames. I tend to do something similar on Mirage whenever I'm playing CT on B site: as soon as the round starts, I rush to throw a molotov at the kitchen and start spamming the wooden window. But back to Inferno, that spot is very useful for the Ts to take out the coffin player, while keeping yourself somewhat in a safe area out of the CT base players line of sight. I've even seen some lineups that allows the Ts to get a headshot on the coffin player through a smoke there. These plays are fairly common. The second kill that he got, though, was definitely vision assisted.
There were many moments that gave out the fact that he was cheating, mainly regarding his movement and reloading, as it was said before on this comments section.
I just hope that when the next Chaos EC appears doing blatantly assisted plays, people do a in-depth investigation like they did here instead of saying "welp, the anti-cheat didn't got anything, so since it's absolutely impossible to bypass it, they are 100% legit".
MiBR was a really bad team back then, but man, the tracking on Fer on dust2 long through wall and the attempt to get a obvious impossible wallbang at overpass was disgusting. It baffles me how at the time, most of the youtubers purposely avoided talking about the clips that were in fact suspicious, and instead just talked about clips that showed nothing.
do you have a clip of fer you´re talking about?
@@TheSparrtykus th-cam.com/video/WyJqtTXumOw/w-d-xo.html
prob this
the amount of cheaters that play it off like that is insane in this game
I KNOW that having no skins isn't supposed to be a tell. But in reality it is, EVERY player has SOME form of skins. In-game drops, cases opened SOMETHING to that effect. No one just has DEFAULT skins at THIS LEVEL in a major RMR. MM/ESEA open sure, newer players I get it. In a RMR for a MAJOR, you've got some TIME put into the game, and have accumulated some skins. No one just picks up CS:GO and is a absolute unit. There are some cases of anomalies like m0nsey, and such I understand that too.
Wdym Monesy? dude has like 16K+ hours in the game doesn't he?
@@ThebelgiumgamerFTW I'm saying he's a prodigy, he has natural talent when it comes to hand and eye coordination. He excels passed the majority of people at his age.
well i have like 2k hours and no skins... everydrop i get i just sell on market sooo... you are basicly wrong
@@kives6392 YOU'RE not playing an RMR for the major. I'm not talking the casual gold nova 4 MM/pug players. With the exception of elige, which DOES have skins. Tell me a competitor t1 to t3 that has NO skins of any kind? You have 2k hours in a 10 year old game you're a CASUAL player, I'm not referring to you buddy.
alot of pro's dont usually buy skins they get them from free from sponsors, or atleast did back in the day
Crazy thing is lately I've been getting in games with cheaters quite a bit. I watch the demo and confirm it. Not sure if I've been put into a low trust factor or what. 6k hours 12kmvps never cheated. I wish valve could do something about it.
iv had very poor luck in DM-GE games lately. Alot of closet cheaters that do more sus stuff then this guy. Striaght up staring at people thru walls. Blatantly mollying just where people are not mollying line ups or anything or empty spots. I really hope cs2 brings a better anti cheat system cause after almost 10 years playing now, id hate to abandon a game that use to bring me so much joy. RIP 2014-2018 CSGO.
I think people with low hr accounts (
@@loth4015 and leaving the legit people in that category to fend for themselves eh....WOW what a marvelous solution!!!
@@mantosh56 They'll sadly have to get through it. Good luck
I've been getting a lot of these types of players who don't clear ANY angles except the ones where someone is. Oh, sick game sense you just run through 17 different spots you could get shot from and prefire the only one where I am when you can't possibly have info on it? Nice.
3:20 one hundred percent him just trying to hide wh and then "react". What is he doing the half second before the flick? He's just having his crosshair in some sort of limbo position waiting to "react" with a flick headshot
bro i honestly would love to watch a major that yourself and PIMP are analyzing.
They should make it like players need to sign a contract before participating in a tournament which allows the organization to sue the players if they are caught cheating. This way they will not only get banned but get legal actions against them. I think this way many people will not get the balls to cheat in tournaments.
I doubt the TO's want to spend that much resources on an open qualifier that anyone who wants can attend
they need to sign something saying if caught cheating they will accept being beat the shit out of everyone whos time they wasted
Or, get this, just get a good anticheat. You don't hear cheating like this in Valorant so idk why its still a problem in CS when you had so much time(years) in the world to address it.
His crosshair placement tells a lot. He leaves the crosshair in bad spots on purpose as if he's waiting for a good opportunity to pretend that he's surprised. It happens too often. Probably because having a crosshair in the natural spot would make it too obvious.
the 6:50 clip is the best tell. Who leaves the crosshair there THEN snaps to the right place? not a Major-capable player.
Actually there are so many inconsistencies throwing away the fact hes using a wallhack, this is just one example among a lot of (position, map movement, timings, clearings...)
You put your crosshair there so people don’t see your gun barrel when/if they swing banana
@@temmetv7070 you don't put it like that, you put it perpendicular to.
3:33 is a better example
He seems to have aim adjustment on mouse one.
Pretty sure as it looks like his aim adjusts after the first shot. It's a good way.
This is the reason i stop playing pro level back then. The more you climb the more you experience cheating. So many weird shit happened even during livestreaming of the best team.
An above average csgo player can see that hes balantly using wh idu how you guys say that hes good at hiding XD he even aims through the walls and doesnt clear any corners goes straigt to the enemies in clutch situations wtf
Holy crap, I would have no idea he was as cheating, very clean at hiding it for the most part
With all due respect... You're talking out of your ass, ive seen DMG's with better game sense if you claim he does you should move on to another topic since you probably have about 100 hours in the game and are hardstuck silver. Or some old man who thinks he's still got it eitherway get out. please stop commenting shit you think people wanna hear, you're just embarrassing yourself with such stupid comments same goes for the ppl who liked this comment ...
You said that he was caught cheating. How exactly did he get caught, did he like open the ui like you say in the thumbnail or what?
7:30 again, what did his teamates call for info? They could have said ”both site” when walking down short he could have heard steps. When hes clearing the angles on site hes just doing a good job. Why would he clear the angles and then have to flick back to the player?????