Singapore vs Malaysia Tanks - How do they compare?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 พ.ค. 2024
- In this video, I compare and contrast the main battle tanks of Singapore and Malaysia, specifically the Leopard 2SG and the PT-91M Pendekar (Warrior).
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0:00 Introduction
0:45 Firepower
1:22 Rate of fire
1:52 Max firing range
2:17 Target-finding/FCS
3:16 Protection
4:15 Survivability
5:16 Mobility
5:28 Operational range
6:33 Realities of modern warfare
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Even as a Malaysian, I dont see any bias in the video. I am fully aware that the PT-91M are way outdated to be used in the current times. Heck even Poland are using Leo 2 tanks of multiple variants instead of the PT91 series.The only advantage that the PT91M may have comparing to Leo 2 is that it is lighter.
The PT91 is not as outdated as you might think. Even the oldest variant, the PT91, produced in the late 1990s, sports a decent FCS with a thermal sight. I need to do some digging to find more information regarding the FCS, but I’m almost certain that it has auto-lead.
The PT91M is a tank produced between 2007-2009. If public data is anything to go by, the armor is mediocre, only upgrading ERA on top of the old composite armor. However, nearly every other system has got an upgrade. Below is the list of said upgraded systems.
-New “Savan-15” FCS, manufactured by a French company called Sagem, has a thermal sight
-New engines with auto transmission
-New sight for the commander with thermal and visible spectrum channel, also manufactured by Sagem
-New navigation system, also manufactured by Sagem, a laser gyro GPS/INS system
-New turret stabilizer
-New laser warning system, manufactured in Poland
-New smoke launchers that can function with the laser warning system
-New communication equipment, manufactured by French company Thales
-New monitoring systems
-New tracks, manufactured by Diehl Defense of Germany
IMO, with all these new tech in mind, I don’t see how the PT91M is outdated. Of course, the glaring exception would be it’s armor, which according to public data, is quite bad.
Poland still uses PT91 tanks, and in fact plans to upgrade them in the near future. AFAIK, they ain’t retiring the PT91 soon.
@@AliBaba-vw7mo I see I see. Also is it possible for them to include APSs in the upcoming PT91M upgrades in your opinion? also thanks for the extensive infos. For real I was not aware of their new upgrades, and yeah also I agree about the PT91M armor kinda underclassed compared to most tanks nowadays
@@zemonn2633 I’m not too sure about the ability to mount APS systems, i guess we’ll just have to wait and see
@@AliBaba-vw7mo mhm I agree with that.
Didn't Poland recently want Abrams as well?
The same tank made during Cold War in anticipation for the battle on the Polish plains ... Now Poland wants it lol.
The reason why Malaysia has so limited tanks and arms is because a lot of the money allocated to buy new weapons is normally siphoned off by government officials, cronies in government linked organizations and bribes.
Tbh, its mostly because we have lesser military budget even compared to Philippines now. Before this we can get good stuff as our defence budget is on healthy level. Now? Its on "underfunded" area, really dangerous in the long run.
Where Mass produce XM-8? ._.
Yeah, our defense budget is nowhere near enough.
Our navy alone should have a budget equal to the entirety of our current defense budget...
@@gtbest5417 the XM-8 was a failed US experimental next gen assault rifle that was made in the late 80s-90s. It was originally part of a larger weapon system that included a 25mm smart grenade launcher and targeting computer.
It’s now part of the RMN armory and is not mass produced or in limited production.
A lot of our budget is lost to cronyism so if we look at an example RM 5 billion defense budget might be only 50% as the money will be siphoned off layer by layer and through the bribes to both business leaders and officials.
i'm from sarawak a bigger state in malaysia we don't hate singapore we love singapore because singapore is a place to find work very close to us🖤❤️💛
if you come to see Sarawak
you will be surprised to see Malays💛 and Chinese❤️ and natives🖤 eating together in the same restaurant
SG armour has come a long way from the AMX13, literally a moving rust bucket
@LinKongDa I served as armoured infantry in the 90s. I’ve seen plenty of AMX tanks got stuck in mud, throw track or just died in the middle of a mission.
@LinKongDa Msian: *defends PT-91* "PT-91 don't get stuck in mud"
Me: "Russian T-72s got stuck in mud in Ukraine." Btw, Indonesia bought Leo2s.
Hi all heavy vehicles will stuck in mud .
Going by the Ukrainian war, those tanks are equally vulnerable to 'top attack' munitions. Unless they're facing each other, Leopard is Best, otherwise against ATMs, they'll be TOAST !!! (without active protection).
US army now getting light tanks for their inventory.
What an interesting video, I don't know much about tanks, good job!
Glad you enjoyed!
The key of the video start from 6.35
Tanks is never meant to fight tanks , more for fire power and infantry support.
T~72 / PT~91 tanks are becoming outdated. War in Ukraine show, that every equipments (tanks, drones, antidron cannon, artilery, portable air defense / tank defense sytstems, logistics, rockets and other) is important. Stay peacefull with your neighbours and develop your country :) Greetings from Poland
It’s actually T-72, not T-74. You are triggering my inner tank nerd
The PT91 is not as outdated as you might think. Even the oldest variant, the PT91, produced in the late 1990s, sports a decent FCS with a thermal sight.
The PT91M is a tank produced between 2007-2009. If public data is anything to go by, the armor is mediocre, only upgrading ERA on top of the old composite armor. However, nearly every other system has got an upgrade. Below is the list of said upgraded systems.
-New “Savan-15” FCS, manufactured by a French company called Sagem, has a third gen thermal sight.
-New engines with auto transmission
-New sight for the commander, also manufactured by Sagem
-New navigation system, also manufactured by Sagem, a laser gyro GPS/INS system
-New turret stabilizer
-New laser warning system, manufactured in Poland
-New smoke launchers that can function with the laser warning system
-New communication equipment, manufactured by French company Thales
-New ERA, manufactured in Poland
-New tracks, manufactured by Diehl Defense of Germany
IMO, with all these new tech in mind, I don’t see how the PT91M is outdated. Of course, the glaring exception would be it’s armor, which according to public data, is quite bad.
Because western tank didnt met modern atgm,,,wonder what will happend if the iraqis get javelin or other modern atgm in iraq war..we've seen how israeli merkava been struck by kornet E atgm in hezbollah-israel war..
You bet ;) foreign policy is important to avoid war so youre right
Greetings from malaysia
@@AliBaba-vw7mo In the Ukraine minefields and artillery stopped Leopards 2A6 etc...But indeed western tanks protect tankers better.
Love the amazing content and explanations.
Thanks thanks 🙏🏻
Man I love the nationalistic cancer in the comments
Thanks for our services military force information comparison.
There is an issue with autoloaders. The autoloader has the ammo loaded in a carousel in the turret. NATO armor doctrine which is similar to the US requires the human loader because the ammo is stored separately in a blast protected bulk storage. This is why Russian tanks as observed in the current Ukraine war have the turrets blown off. This is the due to their ammo cooking off when they are ignited from a penetration. Russian tanks are also lower in profile due to the autoloader. So it is a tank much more suited for dug-in positions.
Yes, there's a difference in doctrine. Leopard 2 only has blow-out panel in the turret's ammo storage but not the hull's ammo storage, as shown in my video. Moreover, modern Russian tanks with autoloader and carousel storage do have protection against ammo detonation.
I have doubts about the whole carousel kaboom issue. The Russians store their spare rounds in the turret. If a shot hit any of those spare rounds, the turret would've gone kaboom anyway, regardless of the autoloader. And they are way easier to hit.
@@ABCantonese It actually really is a problem. It's so common that the turret flying off on Russian tanks has a name for it, it was called the "Jack in the box" effect, the rounds stored in a circle around the bottom of the turret detonates and pops the turret right off.
Auto-loader also prevents the tank from changing into different ammos for different types of targets.
@@EquInoX123 Not if you ask the French
Leopard 2 does have blow out panel in the turret, if the ammo in the hull is removed the catastrophic explosion won't happen.
Modern problems require modern solutions
You don’t even need to have a comparison. The Malaysians have no chance
Agreed. I wish they upgrade to the Challenger , Lerclec or K2-Black Panther.
Leopard 2A4s were torn apart in Afrin by ATGM cornet. They have a disadvantage in the form of an ammunition store in the hull. And this is a big disadvantage.They have a chance, a big one and it turns into statistics.
Minor korrection. The Leos we operate are old 2A4s armed with a M256 120/L44. Only the 2A6s and 2A7s have the upgraded 120/L55.
Hi, according to German documents and Stockholm International Peace Research Institute, we have 2A7s, although Singapore has denied it.
If we admit we have A7s, our neighbours will kiss Kraut ass and eat Schweinshaxe to get their hands on the new Panther KF51 (should had just called it Panzerkampfwagen IX Panther II)
Last and equally important is how well- trained the individual Tank crews are. Thanks for the posting.
Fun fact, if a war happen between Malaysia/Singapore and foreign power, we will see both tanks work together.
A quick correction: the PT91M’s FCS had Savan-15 from the get go. The PT91M was based off the PT91Z testbed, which already had the Savan-15 installed.
A quick(or maybe not so quick) question: the Sagem commanders sight on the PT91M has all the functions of the Leopard’s, no? I mean AFAIK it has a thermal channel, a day/night channel, laser rangefinder etc just like the Leopard, right?
Given the local environment and terrains, tanks wld be more for purpose with infantry in support. A 2 man anti tank team cld be very mobile to take on any tank in an urban setting. Ukraine had taught us to relook at tank warefare doctrine.
Not all ERA offers the same protection, heavy ERA on modern soviet MBTs like KONTAKT-5 and Relikt can offer quite a bit of kinetic protection, but older types like KONTAKT-1 offer almost no protection against kinetic penetrators
PT-91M ERA is not soviet. ERAWA-2 is polish design (ERA, WA - Adam Wisniewski, constructor) and proved very effective even for older kinetic penetrators. Now there is a new version - Pangolin.
All tank are useless against top attack anti tank
@@Ellyna7.62x39 Depends. PT-91 have some parts of turret's top covered by ERAWA, also Stridsvagn 122 (Strv 122) have top protection of the turrert.
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True2
Clearly russian bias
Singapore has the AH-64 Apache tank killer also..
The NGFV can have 2 Anti tank guided missiles, probably Spike, which allows them to engage tanks also.
bro fr used War Thunder as an example 💀
notes: malaysian pt91 actually have better armour compared to polish pt91
You forgot to mention PT91's turret ejection system, courtesy of soviet design and engineering.
Hai yah like Uncle Roger, still need 💰💰💰💰 to modifies the tank, not in full package somemore.
hahahahahaha .. LOLLIPOP
Poland had its own armored factories. Bumar Labedy, HSW etc. Many times the same cars from Polish production had better quality of steel and workmanship. However, in fact, the Soviet Union allowed members of the Warsaw Pact to take over older types of vehicles, limited. Hence, the basis for the PT-91 was not the T-72A or T-72B, but the T-72M, M1.Bumar Labedy has developed a number of its own modernization solutions.
Leopard 2 of Singapore is the base of Leopard 2A4 from Rheinmetall in the 90s isn't based on Leopard 2 A5( Developed as, change the gun to be RH120/L55). But the MBT of Singapore looks superior in performance when compared to PT-91 from Poland. And It has some software to help calculate to find the target by AI system also.
Malaysian PT-91M is much better than polish PT-91. More armor reconstruction than in polish PT-91.
the reason malaysian buy pt91m is because it is the lightest tank of that category……malaysian soil is not for heavy tank…..it will stuck in to a mud especially during heavy rain…..that is why malaysia goes with advanced apc with atgm and personel atgm of various types….i read in malaysian army magazine ….
@@noraarelee3863 Ukrainians (Oleksandr Kowalenko) assessed the usefulness of the PT-91 in Ukraine in the confrontation with the Russians. Although noticeably weaker than the Western Leopard 2 and Challenger 2, as a modernization of the Russian T-72 it was easier to learn - shorter training. They consider the engine to be sufficient, but in the event of additional armor by Kontakt-1, the engine is already too weak (840 HP). They appreciate the presence of ERAWA (ERA) but the coverage on the sides is too small. They appreciate FCS DRAWA - fire accuracy (experts in Poland know that the domestic PT-91 FCS has the problem of a floating reticle and the stabilization is old, hydraulic). A plus, of course, is the thermal imager (the Polish PT-91 had an old, first-generation Israeli thermal imager with mechanical scanning, ElOp, which was successively replaced with the KLW-1 Asteria). It is unknown which PT-91s were transferred. Ukrainians believe that it plays its role well. The Malaysian PT-91 Pendekar is much further away. 1000 HP engine, RENK gearbox, modernized cannon, FCS Sagem, EPS-72 electric stabilization, modified main armor, etc. A new ERA armor was created in Poland - Pangolin.
MY PT90 were more light weight & operable in most terrains like in Sarawak-Sabah. SG won't even think that they would send Leo 2 into the jungle where the ground is often soft and that might become an easier prey for tank hunter squadrons. Leo 2 may excel but PT90 still a considerable threat if equipped with proper shell.
Sg adopted the leo 2 maybe because they're going on defensive. Leo 2 can perform in urban areas as Sg is highly consist off. But its not build for the harsh jungle terrain in My, which for my opinion the PT91M excels at.
Why would Singapore deploy leo2 to Sarawak region, Singapore has always adopt the defensive doctrine. Unless provoke, off course.
The Malaysia's tanks are based on the Soviet t-72 tank model, where the ammunitions are stored all round the turret. The Ukrainians used the NLAW man portable fire and forget light anti-tank weapon to destroy many Russia T72s. The result is an opened turret, they call it the can opener. To destroy the Malaysia tanks, don't need leopard tanks. If we have NLaw systems operated by one man that can explode at the top of the tank turret where it is the weakest, the heat will penetrate to the turret below and blow up all the surrounding ammo stored in the tank.
@@bsolutions525 Can show me the official link? I search online and only can find the info that Singapore uses the Matador and Spike SR. Both do not have the explode on turret top mode so to ignite the ammo stored in the T-72 turret is impossible. Just need to know if the Matador and Spike can penetrate the T-72 base armor thickness with explosive reactive armor.
@@bsolutions525 Dude, stop embarrassing ur country by making false claims
You mean T72 and T90 tanks getting ambushed in the forest?The Ukrainians fought in guerilla style warfare.Hit and run attack.Attacking logistics and convoy mostly.
The abrams from the Saudi operators also suffered losses a lot by the atgm in the Yemeni War.
Tanks around the world aren't fully fitted with active protection system yet.Its all about tactics in the end.And of course,non-western people doesn't have alot of noises in the internet lol.
@@bsolutions525 Singapore uses MATADOR and Spike ATGM is embedded within our Hunter AFV, probably a lot more ATGM (possibly Hellfire) on our Apache Helicopter...
@@Unteroffizier Singapore doctrine for dealing with tanks probably involves a lot of more of the air support like Apache, F-15SG, F-16C/D etc... of course using other land based vehicle with ATGM also...
Can you make a video of the IDF military power
I have made several videos regarding Israeli military operations, do check them out!
Which tank easier to wash? Which tank has road wheel easier to grease?
Which tank tracks easier to break?
Which tank easier to take care of?
Which tank easier to cook maggi mee?
Which tank easier to pick durians from?
One drone bye bye liaola, bbq monyets
Ya Armour trained here.
The best MBT Tank is the most suitable for each user!
Actually 1 to 1 tank battle are depends on field , weather, location & formation.
Leopard yes above all but do it perform well in Singapore urban? Tank size also matter, do leopard survive small road in Malaysia especially at palm 🌴 plantation. ?
@æ urban area is for Singapore, jungle yes for Malaysia, do it perform well ?
@æ not in ASEAN jungle, remember when Russian invade Ukraine, there nobody care about Ukraine tank, but is Russian tank been targeted, same if some nation to invade Malaysia.
@æ then what thant tank use ? , Urban city like Singapore will be suicide for tank, I'm not to war guy, just concerned
Jgn cuba tegakkan benang yg basah. Leo 2 tetap akan blasah tank rusia tu.
@@ngauryan5176 wait n see bro..how we train to do this..
What game is that?
And Rheinmetall’s ADS active protection system? APS is important...
kinda funny there is WT clips to give understanding about Laser Warnig System
3 types of people here:
1. "Pt91m stands no chance"
2. "PT91m is meant to support infantry, it's supposed to fight in jungles, etc"
3. The quiet ones who are secretly geniuses and are laughing at "them" right now.
( Cmon guys, what's the point of arguing about PT91Ms role or doctrine or whatever? What's
the point? It's not like PT91M would ever win in a spec comparison with Leo2s... It's not like doctrine or local environment matters in a spec comparison... Do you not realize that the entire video is about specification? )
Trying to convince people by comparing a version of a polish T72 tank from the late 1980s equipment to a more modernized upgraded leopard 2 in 2000 era that came with an active protection system isn't be a fair comparison lol.
@@Daiman01 Fairness doesn't exist in war.
@@Justineexy fairness does exist on a spec comparison though. Just saying
@@Daiman01 aahhhkkkkktuallly PT91Ms were technically produced in the 2000s. IMO other than the tanks relatively weak armor and it’s lack of a CITS system, it makes for quite a decent tank. It seems to contain quite a bit of modern foreign tech in there. I’d be very interested to compare the prices of the two tanks.
Ukrainians shoot russian T-72, T-80 or T-90 even from their 30mm on Bucefall's or with S-60 - of course not to the front....
In the new battle field battle tank needs to have better amour and air superiority. Just look at the Ukraine war. Russian tanks are being trash like cans by various anti tank weapons like NLAW etc etc.
Modern tanks do not need any more armour improvements, mobility shall be a more top piority, Hand-Held AT Launchers is a really tricky thing to counter being that it can penetrate any MBTs in service without any ERA , Mesh or anything to stop the shell, as I mentioned you could apply spaced armour but theres always weakspots were no real Anti-Heat Round Protection is protecting so the AT Laucher soldier could just flank it and destroy it from there. Mobility does not really ensure that tanks can advoid missiles(obviously) but would increase the chances of advoiding it.
@@pziic "Modern tanks dont need any armour" *shoots through tank with a sniper rifle using armour-piercing ammo*
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Check what's the tank game at around 4min +
I love ya’ll both. No war.
I'm Malaysian and honestly our military is a sham. Lack of equipment and trained personnel. Even the actual equipment we have are really outdated.
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Frankly I like both tanks because they come from Europe because I’m form Europe 😅
Sg military equipment 1 of the best in Asia & may be in the world....
Cannot compared with Asian countries
Sg at another levet of military equipment & facilities 😅
Some what dangerous to think sigapor military is #1 in the world. It true their military equipment is high quality. Never underestimate other poor countries like north korea. They could simply wipe out from the earth.
Poland allegedly declared more than 48 units sold
Interesting topic, but i think if we are just comparing specs i think the leopard 2 sg is gonna win this one although the pt91 has a good gun and arguably better with a larger calibre and ability to shoot atgms. But the leopard has better armor and crew survivability.... And not to mention sg has alot i mean a lot more tanks 🤣. Still jealous tho as a malaysian. Maybe we could procure the altay which is more modern than the pt but don't know how much against sg as they have upgraded their tank alot it seems with a better turret and fcs and armor kits.
@@bsolutions525 wahh..SG buy a lot of tank for what..? Parade show..?
@@bsolutions525 I would argue otherwise not to back our ministers though but at the moment the most critical area of defence for Malaysia now is at sea and air not at land and that can be seen with the lcs and lca program currently undergoing. Furthermore even with lack of tanks we did procure a lot of apcs and ifvs after lahad datu which does have anti tank capabilities. Also i think its a good choice not to invest in expensive equipment when it won't be used at the nearest moment. No hard feelings 😎👍
@@bsolutions525 Well you are free to assume but still the jets that intercept the chinese planes are the bae hawks... Old plane but how can it still manage to intercept? Bad maintenance? Also why you sound condescending? Should only debate without being political and berate others 😎. Peace bro.
@@consciouslasagne354 yup.. always bringing politics into everything.. can't have a normal conversation with them..
@@bsolutions525 nope.. it's a light combat aircraft capable of carrying bombs.. even harpoon.. as for why it was first deployed because it was the nearest.. su30mkm were also deployed.. read more dude..
However one sticky bomb or anti tank shot to its tracks its gone like any tank. Hard do than said. details in saving private Ryan
The Singapore has a better tank. I think the Malaysian Tank Crews are better because Singapore does not seem to have a lot of area to train properly in Armoured Warfare.
Hi, Singapore armoured forces conduct large-scale armoured warfare exercises overseas in Germany.
R u a tanker??
The Malaysia not many tank because the war is new war (drone) the old war use alot of tank like Malaysia AV8 have anti tank missel but is not tank is armo vehicle btw the tank only can use for one mission to destroy some thing but if u use armor vehicle multi mussion u can see the new jaguars from France
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comparing a t72 to a leo 2 is like fist fighting a child
bringing a gun to a beyblade fight
drop kicking a toddler.
@@SunflSeeds using a gun in a knife fight
Indonesian armed forces next please??🙏😅
Ayyy we should play WT 04:26
Corruptions in politics do take a lot of effects in defense budget. That we can't deny 😞. Reality here 😭
Does Singapore even have any L55-equipped Leos? I was under the impression that they were all L44
Hi, Singapore government/media doesn't say, but I found it on open sources. "The Spanish Leopard 2E, the Greek Leopard 2HEL, the Singapore Leopard 2SG, and derivatives of the Leopard 2A6, use the 55 caliber-long tank gun." and "Referred to as the Leopard-2SG this upgraded MBT also has the longer barrel Rheinmetall L55 120mm gun."
@@YGfromSG No L/55 equipped Leo 2SGs . A Leo 2SG is just an upgraded/modernized Leo 2A4. Singapore also only ordered and acquired Leo 2A4s from ex Bundeswehr stocks. No Singapore order for Leo 2A7s which are armed with L/55 guns are placed, at least officially.
On the other hand, our Leo 2SG's L/44 guns could probably have been upgraded to L/44A1 standard that allows for firing of higher pressure APFSDS ammunition. Penetration performance will no doubt be enhanced compared to a L/44 but of coz will still be below that of what the L/55 is capable of.
@@dereksg7510 yes we have Leo2A7s, pls go do some reading (ofcuz from German documents) and stop embarrassing urself...
@@Witch_HuntersSend link pls I can't find
You can find the info in the Leopard 2 Wikipedia. They had indicate Singapore having 45 latest Leopard 2A7 MBT.
ofc singapore one better bro
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Look at Soviet Tanks in the Ukraine war.. quite poor records for the Russian tanks . .
No auto loader, the crew need their body intact 🙏
Leopard is definitely much better than PT-91M. But in a war, it is army against army. Everything like morale, training, logistics, maintenance come into play. Mere comparison of tank is for academic interest, and if it is to pit an army against another, it is different story.
We know that. Thats why the header only reads tank vs tank
No matter how superior the tank is, one simple ATGM will destroy it. Especially the PT-91, due to its ammo storage. Soviet tanks design are cool, auto loader, plus can shoot ATGM… but just very easily to get ammorack
Which is why i always prefer western tanks, Their Blowout Ammo stowage design is probably a lifesafer.
@@colonelace2901 ya indeed, auto reloaded maybe cool, but safety is bad
Weight also affects which bridges they can use. Maximum firing range might be used in the open desert, not likely in Malaysia and Singapore. The armor thickness given are equivalent effective thickness to rolled homogeneous steel armor RHA, not the actual physical thickness. Malaysia has NLAW ATGM for infantry, used effectively in Ukraine. 4 instead of 3 crew means one more person to help with tank maintenance. Maximum sustained firing rate is unlikely to be used. Does the commander and gunner have separate sights or do they share one? Ground pressure, turret slew rate, maximum cannon elevation for use against buildings, maximum cannon depression for use in defilade? Are the machine guns co-axial with the cannon or independent? If independent, can they be fired from inside the tank? Urban combat, tank versus tank - what scenario are we talking about? Overall, analysis would be more useful if customized to take expected local battle conditions into account, not just textbook facts.
If u want to talk abt local battle conditions, the vast majority of malaysia is forest/plantations. Ur tank turret elevation and urban combat whatever is only applicable is very specific scenarios. Aamour thickness is physical armour thickness. All military comparison are based on texbook facts and not actual combat scenarios bcuz no one can predict actual combat scenarios. That is how Russia's military is ranked 2nd in the world until failing in Ukraine.
did Singapore confirm that they have leopard 2A7s?
no they have been denying it but the SIPRI have been accusing them for some time now that they have 2A7 Variants
One important difference: Singapore’s tank don’t break down in the middle of the road! 🤣
I'm doubting the PD91 as T-72s are not doing well in Ukraine
Acutally Ukraine first obtained T-72M1R - latest limited modification of T-72's and they judged that they are like "Mercedes" in relation to "Lada". Of course, this is a kind assessment because their armor is weak, but they received the most modern thermal imaging - KLW-1 Asteria, better than the Leopard 2A5, good on-board communication by WB Electronics / Radmor (US vehicles use them under license), improved electrical installation, batteries, renovated engines. The Ukrainians covered them with ERA Kontakt-1 - they exploited the advantage of modern thermal imaging. First PT-91 was lost several days ago but the symptoms are that he was abandoned and set on fire. The fire was coming from the driver's hatch, which means that the fuel tank was set on fire, and there was no detonation of the ammunition in the carousel automatic loader.
Leopard too isn't better just expensive but not effective
based on ambush terrain scenario,the malaysian tank may win,not one on one
Moderm warfare we need air support and anti tank top attack ..Tank are uselesd
T-72 is an auto loader tank, if hit by anti tank missile will explode 🤣
no need to compare...everyone know
T-72 is suffer loses whether it's upgrade or not
I love Singapore
Leopard still the best,Malaysian tank is modified one actually this tank from era of Cold War.This tank has been upgraded by the modern systems.
Hopefully not this PT91 will be a junk when during conflict times.If happens it will be great impact to Malaysia.
Dekat Ukraine hanya 2 PT91 yang musnah berbanding sekurang2nya 12 Leopard yang dimusnahkan Russia...
Let see how the PT 91 fare in the russian ukraine war. Ukraine is using the PT 91 ( given by Poland) along with superior NATO 1st world nation equipments.
Doesnt matter whose having modern mbt now,,for me just bought as many modern atgm as u can,,,if in malaysia,u can hid in the jungle and wait for the tank to pass by and struck with atgm ..ukraine-russia war has taught us the important of anti armor weapon..but in the end there is no way malaysia will go for a war with sgpore because they need each other 😂
in the end of the day , both tanks will be destroyed by anti tank guided missile 😅 Of course on white paper the leopard is far more superior than the PT91M But one thing to remember , Leopard tank is built to fight the russian tank in the european steppe not in the tropical jungle 😅
And based on that logic, soldiers shldn't wear body armour since high caliber/armour piercing rounds would penetrate the soldier anw
@@Witch_Hunters Well it depends on the situation anyway . If u wear body armour it will reduce your mobility and comfortability 😅 Using suitable body armour can give u a high change of survivalibility . In this case u are using a heavy tank to fight in the tropical jungle thick forest and so on 🥲 In the end the IFV or drone will score the highest hit 🥲
PT-91 a tank that nobody wants!
Ukraine wants more of them....But infact, korean K2 is a much better platform.
It’s a no brainer SG would take the MY for breakfast, it’s easy meat . It boils down to the willingness to protect and serve this great city state nation, the will spirit and determination. Without both , it’s meaningless even you are equipped with the best platform in the entire universe .
See how the oil rich Saudis fought at Yemen using the state of the art Leopard and F15 , they are simply hopelessly useless in every area .
Another good example how the Ukrainians fought at the early stage of the Russian invasion, the rusputins out run the Ukrainians in every angle but their hang on with their willingness to fight .
Yea is true , battle in Malaysia soil is likely battle with numbers and portable tank buster.
@@syarizansulaiman6554 rest assured Singapore arm forces ain’t Russian , we are blessed with Israelis as our mentor and partner apart from USA and UK.
@@CrossbredmiMiyang then Malaysia get training from Britain and comanwel , for experience Malaysia do many on piece keeping, is not Malaysia to invade Singapore, is Singapore itself invade Malaysia if they had to, situation is very different.
@@syarizansulaiman6554 obviously you have little knowledge and understand about your own nation capabilities. Without Singapore, the Indonesian will over run you . You can’t even control your very own airspace and still need Singapore to manage and guild the busy South China Sea airspace.
Take recent incidents for example, how many times the PLA intrude into your water 50km into north east water ? What can your navy do ?
Not once but numerous times the CCP airplanes flew into your Sarawak airspace, who warned your air defense? Worst you can’t intercept using a proper aircraft except the aging BAE Skyhawks trainer. Rest assured, only Singapore mighty air defense could help you lads .
You cant win wars with only the willingness to fight
ammo rack placed at the front of the hull in the leopard making it the easiest tank to ammo rack if the malaysian tank lands a sabot turret cheeks are not angled at all making it easy to penetrate therefore the leopard variant we are using is bad compared to the canadian 2A6M or the german 2A7V
the malaysian tank also has contact 2 ERA(explosive reactive armour) so it might be older but its good enough to take on a leopard for sure thats why the leopard is a shit tank even loss to alot of cheap kornets during some turkish operations against isis the most battle proven tank is the american M1A2 abrams by far because the commander has a remote 50 cal machine gun so he doesnt need to expose himself and it does have a blowout panel so of the ammo gets hit the crew has a higher chance of surviving therefore making the leopard one of the worse tanks next the the russian t72 basically making it an ammo rack magnet
... when did the ammo rack shift from the back of the turret to the front?
@@danielc2701 theres two fyi one back of turret one in front
@@thesnipersaint2809 Sounds like a really stupid place to store your ammo. Unless you're talking about the "ready to use" rounds that are just beside the gun? As for the "not angled" armor, that is because of how ceramic composite armor functions. Tank rounds don't ricochet off like they did in WWII, they're too fast for it now, so you either lodge in the armor or it penetrates, angling don't work like that any more. It's just slanted to put more material in the way of the round rather than to generate a ricochet. Ceramic composite works by "bleeding off" the energy of the hit by generating cracks in the armor, so the bigger the facing of the armor hit, the more energy lost. The best example would be if you saw bulletproof glass getting hit, they're more or less ceramic armor too, just transparent.
@@danielc2701 bro besides the new KF51 panther. This tank is Horrible
Wut? Poland VS Malaysia...... oh its Singapore
Indonesians comparing with Malaysia. Now Singapore
Tank on tank battle is rare as seen in Ukraine
Most tanks are destroyed by infantry anti tank team or artillery
Tanks are used as direct or indirect fire support to infantry
Stop the BS
Please refer to what I said at 6:34. Thanks.
Malaysia has 9 invisible Navy Frigates, no one knows where they are.. only 1 can be seen.
Awesome.
Which country bigger...
Hi, Russia is the largest country in the world but the Russians aren't exactly performing well in Ukraine. (:
Singapore has a wayyy better military, much more modern compared to Malaysia..
@@YGfromSG singapore is far more modern and well equipt than malaysia., but still malaysia is in upper hand
@@Akiratoriyama27 Hi, Malaysia has the upper hand based on? Your personal opinion?
@@YGfromSG based on size., no.of military personnel.,most of all geography separated with only 28km.,
It is rumor that Singapore had also purchased Israel Merkava...
Dude, stop embarrassing ur country by making false claims
@@Witch_Hunters False claim? Google and you will know. Don't think that Singapore reveal everything in it's arsenal. Look at the Centurion tank, Singapore is an ex users, did Singapore admitted or display Centurion tanks?
@@MrLEECHINSOON Let’s say hypothetically that we secretly got Merk, it may fill a niche (and it is a big may).
What special advantages does the Merk have over the Leopard that would warrant having another MBT (only complicating logistics, training & maintenance) in the SAF?
Simply because it makes absolutely no sense. Singapore does the vast majority of training overseas, and everyone would notice a Merkava IV among the Leopards.
@@Witch_Hunters . You do not understand Singapore way of doing things. Google Centurion tank and you will know that Singapore is an ex users. Did Singapore acknowledge and display Centurion tanks?
@@MrLEECHINSOON Centurion tanks are displayed at the Armour Heritage Centre... Centurion tanks arriving in Singapore were also reported in the news...
Tank is very slow the why Malaysia not buy many tank
Minefields in the Ukraine show that the game is now different for attackers....
The fact sg tank is nothing in malaysia jungle😂
So based on your logic, why did Malaya lose to Japanese tanks and soldiers during WW2? Don't blame everything on the British. Because if your jungle is so formidable, Malay soldiers serving alongside the British would have made all the difference.
@@YGfromSG japan is the most powerful military in asia during ww2 navy army air force.,
T14 will be good for Malaysia to kill the leopard2
But Malaysia no money buy T-14 🤣
Ceremonial tank cant kill a real tank
For sure both Malaysian and Singaporean tanks will fight alongside together if one other get invaded. FPDA baby.
Isn't malaysia chose pt91m cuz it's fit with malaysia's jungle terrain and easier to maneuver in muddy jungle. Since Singapore doesn't have any jungle, Leo2 or any other western mbts that weight 60+ tons fit perfectly with Singapore urban environment.
Assuming Leo2 can't operate in jungle is like saying Germany has no jungle.
@@Witch_Hunters thats a misconception by Malaysia's netizen. The actual issue is infrastructure accessibility, same as what faced by JP's JGSDF as explained earlier.
@@myms7375 so that's like saying Msian army don't have enough engineer vehicles to lay bridges for tanks to cross rivers?
@@Witch_Hunters tbh, its like saying Japan's JGSDF make 45.8 tonne Type 10(same weight as PT-91M) because they have lesser support vehicles, even though their MBTs fleet and its engineering/support vehicles are 3-5x more than what SG's army currently have. Different countries have different requirements after all.
@@myms7375 PT-91M is 48.5 tonnes (heavier than Type 10) but still same speed as a Leo2... Japan's Type 10 has better AP & better armour, so no they are NOT the same... Its like comparing a Proton with a Mitsubishi
Just wanna point out that the role of tanks in the Malaysian Army is to provide infantry support. Not go head to head with other tanks. The PT 91M is supposed to support infantry not conduct anti armor operation. Different tank for different doctrine and different environment
all tanks in the world are support elements meant to support infantry. what are u talking abt?
@@Witch_Hunters what I mean is you can't compare tanks that were design for different doctrine. The PT91 is based on the T72M1 which role in the Soviet Army was to support the rapid deployment of Soviet infantry during a high speed push through Europe. The Leopard 2 was designed to fight Soviet tank horde through the Fulda Gap. The PT91 was chosen because it fit Malaysia operational requirements and doctrine. There's no way you're going to have a massive tank battle like the Battle of 73 Easting on the hills and jungles of Malaysia, so what's the point in having a 60+ ton MBT? Yeah, on paper the PT 91 is inferior. But it's not supposed to do the same job that the Leopard 2SG does in the SAF. It's supposed to support infantry in combined operation in a semi urban, semi jungle environment Apples and Oranges. They're different tanks with different role in their respective military
@@muazazman3999 okay, keep telling urself that, its still called a "main battle tank" not the Scorpion "light tank" used by 10th para, maybe those up there makan too much wang then they come up with this excuse to tell their soldiers
@@Witch_Hunters lol, PT-91M were also selected also due to its lighter weight as we considered high level of infrastructure accessibility is required (Japanese also have similar requirements so they made lighter Type 10 that ironically almost the same weight as PT-91M) + as @muaz has said earlier, its to mainly support the infantry as a better armored fire-support vehicle, flushing out enemy fortifications. Our main tank killing assets is infantries equipped with RPG,CG and ATGM + AV-8 Gempita IFV that were equipped with 4x ATGM ready to fire + 8 reloads each, more than what Hunter IFV of Singapore Army can carry. PT-91M is there mostly to cover IFVs and infantries doing their job, including tank killing.
And btw, 10th Para no longer operated Scorpion Light Tank. They mostly operated a few MIFV/ACV-300 Adnan + Supacat ATMP now.
@@myms7375 u're not wrong abt MY tanks having infantry/ATGM support .etc, but also not like any tanks in SG fight without infantry with LAW & ATGM & air assets like Apache anw...
Lao I Malay sie
You are also from Malaysia? Then where do your loyalties lie?
Although I have Malaysian blood, I was born in Singapore (:
@@YGfromSG still does not answer the question of WHERE your loyalties lie. One man cannot have 2 masters.
@@mizninvictor2189 Definitely not Malaysia, if that's the reply you're looking for (:
@@mizninvictor2189 Malingshit
Truth hurts, doesn't it.
Tanks are obsolete
RUSSIAN tanks are obsolete lol. Western ones are a lot tougher due to the difference in armour type.
True
Hi, tanks are not obsolete. Russians are just using them wrongly (:
@@YGfromSG better to invest fast moving self propelled artillery or drones with antitank ammunition rather than tank itself., tank nowadays is like moving coffin 😅
@@Akiratoriyama27 Can you name any military vehicle that has the same protection (able to take a direct hit from another tank), firepower and mobility as a tank (but not called a tank) that also performs the same role?
To save you 7 mins of your time. In summary, Malaysia tanks = Proton Wira. Singapore tanks: Ferrari
Ferrari stuck in a mud . Lol!
Tanks not suitable in thick jungle ,can b easily destroyed by trooper with ATGM riding scrambler bike ,operated by malaysian
Drones win tanks nowadays
only if you can afford drones with anti-tank missiles...
Surveillance drone can't win tanks. Only suicide drones does. Singapore is the users of Israel Harop suicide drones. Malaysia doesn't have such drones.
just say singapore win lah! or else their will be a lot of shit later!!!!!
It is not about what weapons we have but the balls to fight. I have lots of doubts our NS men. Malaysia don’t need weapons to attack Singapore. A blockage of airspace, the Malacca Straits and closure of the causeway to halt food supply to Singapore is enough to cripple Singapore. Singapore I think buys weapons from the USA as a mode of “protection money” against countries that might become hostile to Singapore.
According to history, have you heard of a weaker force blockading a stronger force ?
@@MrLEECHINSOON Have you heard of hobby drones used in the 2nd world war?
@@williamb.francis3268 . If hobby drones is everything. Ukraine won't be asking for Himars, fighter planes and others high tech weapons.
jika aku seorang general,aku bole tawan singapore dlm masa hanya 24 jam sahaja.
Arab generals also thought that they can do so with Israel. But they failed repeatedly.
@@MrLEECHINSOON singapore in not israel....
@@hazianminhat5628 . Don't forget, the success of Singapore achievement is numerous. Israel Arab opponents is much more powerful then Indonesia and Malaysia combined. In a single battle, Syrian can throw a few hundreds main battle tanks, do Indonesia and Malaysia has such number? Singapore has a easier task then Israel. Singapore is a keen student of Israel, Israel conducted pre emptive strike when it's enemies is gathering, do you think Singapore will just wait at the border waiting for Malaysia or Indonesia combined to bomb First?
@@MrLEECHINSOON told u spore is NOT israel and IF i a general NOT from any arab state.......
@@hazianminhat5628 . Too bad, your 'ability' is being ignore by your country. .If China know you are a General, they will not repeatedly intrude into Malaysia Air space and Sea territory. LOL
War is always about attrition and SG cant survive a war that will span 6 months.... Malaysia will always have the advantage..... without external intervention SG will fall.
The best MBT Tank is the most suitable for each user!