Civilian doesnt automatically mean to be available all time ... you can also get benefits from working for the mega corps and getting reputation with them.
They should keep these things in shop and make the cobstested zone ones better versions that were crafted…. So anyone who doesn’t want to do these zones could one day just craft…
Makes sense that you wouldn't be able to purchase military/stealth grade components from a civilian vendor in Stanton. I do agree with others that you should be able to purchase them directly from the military with high enough rep.
Yea, it makes sense that you can loot military grade components from some rusty hangar at forgotten lawless system. This is exactly how things work IRL - when you need to get hands on F-35 engine you go to Africa.
I'm pretty sure access to military components will be tied to UEE and CDF rep. I'm guessing CDF rep will unlock tiers C and D, and when vanduul incursions become a thing we'll be able to unlock tier A and B components with the UEE.
yeah than they have to do that with ships also, wait untill u'll need rep and time to fly places to find the ship want to buy, exept if u payd with money in that case the ship will always be yours and ready to flight
I sorta agree with some of these changes to ship components, however CIG need to add in other ways for people to aquire these things other than have them all locked behind a PVP area, or other...
@@BigSneed404 False equivalence, since those other players can also only get them from contested zones in pyro, and those players are not likely to want to sell those components outside their orgs or friend groups, or else charge exorbitant and impractical rates for the components that can be lost on ship destruction (or else just scam you out of the transfer since we don't have a contract system in game either)
Hoping for RNG to provide access to high quality components in a game where bugs and half baked gameplay decimate motivation to dive deep is just more cart-before-horse thinking on CIG's part.
@@natexbometal5834 parts snap to grid, just they have odd snaps so you need to fiddle around with it or have a big enough grid. That is to say the do so in current live build.
I can totaly understand to not make military models purchasable. Stealth... maybe if you argue they might be developed for military too. But every other class makes no sense at all. I hope that the contested zone will not be the only way to get hands on those components. There should be a chance for enemy ships with them, so we can loot them for other reasons than just cargo.
You fail to understand that our FULL LOOT PVP game is for HARDCORE PVP chadboys who love HARDCORE PVP and are AMAZING AWESOME super duper fans of SUPER REALISM SPACE GAME! *realism not guaranteed to be consistent or even present *any representation of pvp is not guaranteed to be hardcore *looting is not guaranteed to be easy, fast, or make any sense at all *space is optional
As long as you can get them in game (Rep, Mission Rewards, Factions, Pirating, Crafting, Exploration etc), and they aren't gated by Pyro Contested Zones only, that is fine.
1:20 lucrative loop based on duping with insurance, this is the state of the game So the whole point is the adding FOMO by making some weapon only obtainable with events. Just make working events that are fun to play and we will play them, no need to take away content from players just to push them the direction u want.
1:05 "insurance fraud, duplication, then sell" - this is exactly what ANY player can do )) You don't even need to go CZ, just buy once. So it will spread like a plague and couple of weeks after release these "high end components" will be sold in chat by everyone. Unless CiG fixes claim duplication.
As someone who flies a cargo ship, if there's any PvP combat I'm probably dead no matter what grade components I'm using. So these changes really don't affect me. 😉 I'll just buy the fastest or most efficient quantum drive I can easily get my hands on and be happy with that.
As far as what we've been told as well the differences between grade b and a are also very small so it's probably reasonable to assume people will only bring them out for the most pvp of pvp fights well more economic builds will be used for casual play v
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I have no problem with access to higher grade weapons and components being locked behind a reputation level. Something like a specialised store for players who unlock higher tier reps with the UEE and the forthcoming guilds. What I do have issues with is the components being locked behind loot crates in PvP contested zones where RNG then plays a role as to what you will find.
That is a bummer. Going out and buying the military A components is one of the first things I do after a wipe. But if they're still out there to find that's something at least.
To those saying that these changes are good motivation for them to play Star Citizen's content, I think you couldn't possibly be saying less for the quality of the gameplay available. To be clear, if having to grind out RNG is all that is drawing players to play the content, then I think the game needs, and we deserve, better fun.
@@imperatorz7062 id where your logic r but ofc ship need fitted best parts also its realy bad move to add all best parts only behind pvp not everyone like fps pvp and like ship pvp
They warned us nearly 2 years ago that military components would eventually be unavailable from shops, you'll get them by farming Reps or raiding military ships for the piracy inclined.
@@CarlotheNord so far the rewards aren't that interesting to a miner and hauler. Its all been about the combat. A few "might be rare minerals" but that pays no bills.
Why would pirates have only access to plasma weapons?? and military equipment.. they should have to use inferior weapons not superior. Why would any pirate need to pirate anything?? At this rate the corporations would need to raid pirates for equipment. I hate this forced pvp crap where you force other players to the pirates instead of pirates needing to raid lawful areas. Why are the transports going into somalia to raid the pirates for supplies and better equipment??? it makes no sense. Pirates should have to raid lawful areas and be able to make unreliable but otherwise better weapons.
@@rooster1012 man, if I wanted FPS pvp - I'd go play CS, Titanfall or Insurgency , I'm here for space ship pvp and this team FPS arena CZ crap is the last thing I'm interested in. I'm just wondering why as a pilot I'm forced to pay any attention to it.
Yeah unfortunately it doesn’t make sense lore wise and I think this is the problem with front loading all the new content in Pyro. Stanton should have been shown more love in 4.0 and there should have been military type mission loops that unlocked these weapons and components in Stanton, even if it was through some type of reputation system. Although military contracting and taking on short term contracts and fighting in a war would have been an epic addition. Also ship weapons and components being unlocked though fps content doesn’t feel right. I love ship combat content, why can’t I unlock weapons for my ship via ship combat. It seems a little silly tbh. CIG cashing in on the current extraction shooter hype, if this was 2010 we’d probably have a battle royal. God, I’m so glad it isn’t 2010. Not to worry ship combat enjoyers, we still have the same bounty missions from 3.0 that haven’t evolved at all. Hooray. I guess my $1000 Polaris is nothing but an expensive taxi in the direction the games moving but hey at least it has muticrew. For what content I don’t know, I guess my friends can replace a few fuses if it breaks down on the way to my fps lobby. 😂
This is a good thing, I like this. It gives us a reason to go out and actually play the content, which is lacking in current Star Citizen. We're moving to being an actual MMO where we have goals to work towards, rather than just hoarding money to buy more ships to hoard even more money to buy more ships.
@@supermaster2012 You are what is wrong with the community right there. Upgrade that potato you call a pc, make friends/join an org and go after the components yourself.
You will be able trade for them just like people trade for good armour, weapons right now. IF cig could implement an auction house sooner rather than later tht would be nice.
Just as I feared. We are now going to have to grind for things we used to have easy access to. Which is fine, as long as the economy is balanced. If I ever get my hands on the blueprints for these military components, I will craft them and sell them at insane prices.
The Spectre drive is really useful for the Eclipse, but since the missions dont pay enough to cover the cost of the Eclipse torps there is no reason to use the ship or the stealth q-drive anyways.
You go on global chat and ask to borrow one, you duplicate it 837474 times and give it back. This change doesn't solve anything, it's a failed attempt at forcing cancer PvP.
Has anyone bitching in the comments even looked at the component stats? Grade A civilian and industrial components are pretty much on par with military, and in some cases better. You wont be gimping yourself by installing civilian components, this is just a way to incentive people to do missions for a reason other than money.
>Grade A civilian and industrial components are pretty much on par with military This is only because component's health is not in effect right now. You won't use industrial shield or powerplant if it will die in a fight twice more often than military one.
As usual, if enough braincell is applied to the problem, it can turn out a good thing. Braincell that are not the trademark for CIG behaviour. Looting better components is rewarding, but if you can just claim them back 100 times and sell them for profit, it will break the economy (my bet on that). Crippling new player experience with components unable to jump from point A to B is not fun, which is what (obviously) CIG is doing. What is the sense of having that military QD being "the absolute best at everything, instead then a trade with Pro and Contra? How can a super performing QD be at the same time, the fastest, rapid cooling, and also the less fuel hungry among every QD, including slow and very conservative industrial QDs? Why not have super coolers that allow fast and efficient cooldown for other components but give a strong IR marker, power generators that allow more weapons on board, but emit a lot and need very good coolers? Why not QD slow and sipping fuel and fast but hungry ones as it once was (with proper fuel tank tweaking)? Why don't put the Class A being the best performing in each category, as it was until 3.20. Check how the "Geniuses" at CIG development and ship section changed components in 4.0 and let's cry together! I'd have more faith in a pack of drunken howling monkeys could do a better job, in 1/4 of the time and just bananas🤦
It is worth noting that all these numbers are croud sourced to erkul, and the owner manually updates the numbers whenever they change since there is no longer a way to see shop info through data mining. If you are greatful for the information available, be sure to thumbs up or down whenever you see something missing or where it is supposed to be!
NPCs don't spawn with military components above grade C, this is a stupid restriction to force people into the cancer PvP contested zones and it's disgusting.
@@elementsk8r1717 CIG spent 12 years promising PvP would be optional yet it's very clear that Sandy Gardner is now pushing for SC to become Rust in space. This is disgusting behavior and outright ilegal false advertising in the EU and Australia. I'm Wing Commander concierge and I will refund my entire account if they don't revert this change by 4.1. I know other whales with more money spent than me will do the same. Forcing PvP is how you kill the game.
"We are CIG, we cannot make decent missions and will thus outsource all content creation to players and force everyone to 'enjoy' killing other players. Suck it."
I think this is the beginning of locking component and weapons behind reputations. We're meant to start SC as nobody civilians. To get access to military and other specialty gear, we have to earn our way into the good graces of the governments and corporations (or other unsavory factions) to gain access to the good and exotic stuff.
People need to riot about this. I have been complaining on Spectrum non-stop and all the time I get some smug griefer answering "muh go do PvP and earn your rewards". It's disgusting that they locked the NDBs, an essential PvE ship weapon, behind some PvP cancer area that runs like actual dog shit. We need people to reject this loudly and vocally like when they removed ordinance from insurance. We need to push back against this aggression from CIG, and we need to start NOW. CIG didn't remove any of my messages on Spectrum or ban me, so they don't seem to be against this discussion. Go on Spectrum NOW and voice your complaint.
@ For everyone reading this, type this guy's name on Spectrum and read his comment history there. He's a griefer that thinks pad ramming is a legit PvP gameplay. Do not condone griefer kids.
@@purson117 Gating content behind PvP is dumb. There has to be multiple ways to earn the same thing, even if it is quicker to get said items in these zones. Also; pad rammers like you should get banned as you are toxic to the long term health of the game.
@AidenPryde3025 Many games gate items behind pvp. In SC you have the option of getting things yourself through various ways. I really do not understand where this forcing pvp on players comes from. You can tell people like yourself do not play the game at all. I have encountered 3 people myself while doing the contested zones myself many times.
I think some of the gameplay needs to be split differently between high sec & nul sec. The best resources (mining etc), should be in Pyro, the best weapons and ship components in Stanton (located with the big manufacturers). Additionally maybe it’s harder to refuel or repair in Pyro also leading to and explaining the desperation of Pyro players. This will give a chance for Stanton players coming into Pyro (with the shiny equipment) and taking a risk at mining or trading for the best resources with payment through credits or via ships/weapon parts. This might suit a lot of PVPrs and PVErs alike regardless of play style. And it gives those more nefarious types the chance to pirate your best components and weapons etc Also if you set up your permanent home in Pyro, I don’t think you should have free access into Stanton. You should have to form relationships with Stanton players to arrange trade etc, maybe you’re reliant on them coming to you, or you can only travel into Stanton via NPC passenger transports to meet a contact (all via appropriate customs etc) or alternatively if you need to get a ship through to pirate or smuggle into Stanton……. The gate defences on the Stanton side are turned off through a gameplay activity (maybe contested zones loot - data card), or automatically 1hr a day due to some lore reason letting you sneak your ship across. Therefore you either do your business round trip discretely in that hour before the time runs out (if not gate defences kill you trying to get back across, or you get detained in prison etc maybe you can’t be a citizen if you live off grid in Pyro) or you have to hold up somehow for 24hrs to cross the next day again etc This means Stanton players are encouraged at great risk and reward to come into Pyro (if not live a less lucrative life in mainly safety) and Pyro players can still get some good gameplay with each other and people coming into Pyro. Also you can still get into Stanton but you have to be a little smart in how it’s achieved. I am not saying you can’t be a full time pirate in Stanton for example, of course you can……but life will be harder avoiding the law, and I’m not saying you can’t be an honest farmer in Pyro……..you might just need to relay on good relationship building / reputation to survive.
Good info, Foxy! Just wanted to ask, has anyone put a list together of new commodities in Pyro and where to sell for profit? I see a space station will buy construction materials for 2.2 k and bioplastics and Ry karth (alien commodity?) Near 1.8 k ans so on.
Im ok with fps getting rewards but I sure hope that CIG doesnt screw over other types of professions by not offering these components by other quest lines.
@@diminios the current EPTU build is more or less what will go live. Wakapedia-CIG confirmed on Spectrum that no more major changes were coming before live, just stability updates and bug fixes.
If CIG think I'm going to go and play a gameloop that doesn't interest me in the slightest just to get better components that won't help me much anyway, they're even more deluded than I thought.
It makes sense to remove military-spec components from shops. As a generic Star Citizen, you are not enlisted in the military (that's what SQ42 is for), and even if you were, why should you be allowed to purchase military equipment for any of your personal ships not issued and maintained by the UEEN? The way I see it, this is one form of player progression that people have been asking for - you can find these components, just not buy them from civilian shops. For now it seems these military-spec components are found in Pyro's contested zones, likely salvaged by pirates or smuggled from the UEEN. Could we as players salvage them from UEEN ships? Can we find them in other locations? Can we earn them from reputation rewards or quest-related military contracts? In the future, can we craft them from blueprints? I think this is a step in the right direction. Oh, and those non-military-spec components? While they aren't "the best", they can get the job done just fine. A few stat boosts here and there might matter in an otherwise even fight, but that can probably be made up for with skill/awareness. I wouldn't fret too much about these changes just yet.
But if that's the case, you should also be able to purchase them from places like grimHEX just prohibitively expensive. To add to that, why would you be able to buy tanks?
>As a generic Star Citizen, you are not enlisted in the military (that's what SQ42 is for), and even if you were, why should you be allowed to purchase military equipment You allowed to use A2 bomber or Eclipse, but you can't by higher grade components for it because you're civilian. Sounds kind of rediculous, don't you think?
@@alexpetrov8871 The arguments people are making in favour of these changes don't make any sense. So the UEE is ok with us buying Polaris, Idris, Javelin, A2, Hammerhead, and Perseus class ships, but then want to curb us on being able to buy higher class components for them? And not only that, these components are then only found in random quantities, random qualities, and random sizes in run down PvP zones in a non UEE system. That's like Blackwater being sold surplus military helicopters, tanks, APCs, etc, and then being told that if they want better components for those military hardware they need to find them in some random caves in Afghanistan where they have to fight of Taliban fighters patrolling the area, as well as other PMCs just like them who are also hunting for those same components. Looking these higher tier weapons and components behind rep/rank based stores makes sense. Stores where once you unlock the required rep/rank you can shop the full library of goods you qualify for. What doesn't make sense at all and completely runs counter to any and all lore is these higher tier components being locked behind outlaw system contested zones, where you're then at the mercy of some RNG loot table to determine what you components who find.
Stealth tech is the most valuable military tech, I will bet it will became illegal with UEE if you equip it in UEE space without some kind of permission later in the game
Now dont quote me here but i think ive seen some of those components on npc ships at the asteriod clusters while ive been doing missions there. i was scanning some wrecks.
Honestly this is awful, we should had got things like the scorched components for weapons, but for ships instead (extra bonuses in exchange of other things) of taking out components to never see them again (rng... if they were a reliable way of getting them like "this component spawns in this station" would be good) Not fond of this change. Not fond of taking out from a side to shoehorn it as content in other.
What’s more troublesome is that the contested zones content doesn’t work well. In addition there is no logical reason for size 3 civilian anything to be blockaded. If you are rich enough, you can even buy military spec things in the real world. Why remove it? Just make it exorbitant.
How? So to get the best components you have to play the game now. Would it be better to have more Pay-To-Win instead? There's players that start the game with like a million aUEC after full wipes...so before this change you just get players starting the game absolutely stacked after a few trips to shops. Why would that be better?
@@BradAhrens Don't be obtuse. I have a super fast internet connection, a brand new beefy CPU and GPU, a super fast SSD with 128GB of ram and SC works 60% of the time at best. When it works, it's amazing and fun, when it doesn't work, well you know. Not only will we have to rely on desync not being a thing vs PVE, now we have deal with both PVE and PVP desync. Assuming that works and that you can actually place the fuses (which sometimes works on the PTU at this point), we will have to deal with people just camping the gates and blocking other people from getting in so they can sell the components in game at a premium.
This seems like a bad idea. I would think they'd want to tie these newly elusive components to the reputation system they're floating right now in addition to, instead of forcing people solely into, these FPS gameloops.
One step at a time my friend. Gives me hope for the future and what else they will come up with. Each new thing comes in steps. You can’t expect them to add everything all at once.
Yeah I'm really starting to get angry about this. Quite frankly, I don't want normal items to become loot only items. I want special items to be lootable. Components with unique traits. Items that are custom tweaked. But normal items from class D-A to stay in normal vendors. You take those away and a lot of ships are not going to have any upgrade paths outside of crafting and loot. Such as the Sabre now. Now with almost all of the military and stealth components being removed from all stores, there's virtually no upgrade path for it. I'm a prolific component tweaker. I love swapping out and customizing components. It's quite literally one of my favorite things to play around with. But now, with half the components yoinked from shops, there's very little for me to do if anything at all on some ships, and less and less to do on others and that is really starting to piss me off. There needs to be a sufficient level of base diversity in components for us to dive into. With the loss of so many components there is no longer enough diversity to enjoy that gameplay. They should put all class D-A items back in the normal shops. Then let the players create the rest of the diversity with crafting and modding. If they don't want everyone to be able to buy military or stealth gear, fine, then create a military vendor and require the player to earn enough reputation with the military and UEE before they area allowed to buy components from that shop. Then either do something similar with the pirates or require pirates to pirate said gear. Even stripping reputation with military shops if player earns a reputation as a pirate. Which might start to force people to actually choose a path. But 4.0's shops as they are now are unacceptable. To the point it might push me away from playing anymore.
Making military parts not purchasable is incredibly stupid to me. We fly military ships and use military guns and armor. Its normal to have versions of military gear available for civilians essentially working as mercenaries like military contractors- we literally fight for the police security forces in game as mercs and bounty hunters. Plus the whole idea of military surplus, or using military ships that are retired from current use but sold to private citizens and police forces. This is made sillier if you buy a military ship and it comes with class C military parts, but you can no longer buy the better class A parts to upgrade it. That makes zero sense, come on. Everything they are doing makes no sense. It just makes the game harder, grindier, more annoying, and less fun.
Looks like you are one of the rare persons to not understand shit and have no logic at all... if the best thing is super easy to get, so what is the goal in playing the game?
@scrap_er the first half of your comment was needlessly RUDE. You insulting people does not make you more right. If you read my comment it was entirely logical. Your view of buying these parts as too easily having the best things oversimplifies the idea of upgrades. There can and are pros and cons to different kinds of upgrades and parts. The best is not the best for all uses. Also, you said if you can buy military parts, why play the game. That is extremely illogical as most people do not see the point of playing the game to acquire these parts. These parts just make the game more playable. At every patch the first thing I, and many others do, is earn some money and use it to upgrade the parts of all my ships. That way they are better and more useful for playing the game, grinding the rep, earning the bigger long term money, and just enjoying space adventures. There are a ton of grinds in this game, we don't need more grinds, and basic equipment and upgrades should not be a big grind. And the grind is not the point of playing, its just something we end up having to do. The point of playing should be a fun immersive space adventure.
@Elidrys "fun immersive space adventure" , so you think its immersive to have instant access to every best things and all those are super easy to get like by doing an hr of salvage?
@scrap_er you are still missing the point, all of the points, and stuck on the idea these are the best items and once you have them the game is pointless to you. Others have pointed out you can get class A civilian and industry parts, which have been balanced up to be similarly good. So by your logic (or lack there of) you want them to remove all class A parts from in game stores. We are not talking about how much they cost or how fast you can earn the money. We are talking about access to buy. You could make class A parts more expensive, but completely removing option to purchase does not make sense. Beyond that, I reiterate if we are flying a military ship that comes stock with military parts, we should be able to buy the better versions of those parts.
Because I can buy a semi-truck in about an hour, and can't buy any military rifles or jet engines IRL. You are forgetting this is a TESTING phase of the game. They needed people to test the military equipment before restricting it. The same will happen in cargo missions. 6 SCU cargo missions will pay much better per SCU than 600 SCU missions. Which is how it works IRL as well.
@@Solar546 Long term? I agree. But the things I actually wanted to try, before subjecting myself to the contested zones rng? Things I now will have to wait to try, or just not bother any time soon? As a long time MMO player, do you have any idea how much I *LOATHE* rng? RNG is, by definition, *never* good gameplay. Make the reward as a choice, not a rando loot drop that some people get their desire first time, and others *never* do.
@@corwyncorey3703 I think that getting items as reward is a great incentive to play, and that's very beneficial for the longevity of the game. This way my character can have a more linear growth, rather than finding an easy way to make money and buy everything I want in a month.
They took my beloved Stealth components from the shops? ... Damn... Guess I need to go civilian and industrial now. ... That's sad. ... Since those are cheaper anyway, I'll have all my ships fitted after 3 days instead of a week now. lol The annoying part (so far) is that you are forced into PvP to get any of those modules. Simply because there will always be other players in those zones ... and buying from other players is just as much of a russian roulette. As if a long Rep-Grind wasn't an option to consider. ... I will NOT set foot into Pyro .... not for any module in the Verse. XD
They worse than NDB in almost every aspect - do less damage, user more power, have fewer ammo. Yes, they have a bit lower spread, but it is actually more benefitial to properly choose distance than rely on low spread. There is just no real benefits from chooisng NN.
@@supermaster2012 Sounds more like a trolling. In fact they don't. You can easily test it by shooting shields of AFK ship and noting time to melt them down. Did you?
Can understand them doing this for Military and stealth components, I could envisage those being restricted to civilian markets. Makes no sense from gameplay or lore perspective to remove any civilian or competition line systems, especially civilian ones. wouldn't those manufacturers want people to be able to buy their products? Just makes no sense and shows up how hap hazard CIG can be with things some times.
They need to lock up the good stuff, otherwise nobody would play their new content shit and just grind and buy everything as usual after the wipe!🤷🏻♂️
I just love when do shit like this on top of all the shit they do. Can't wait to experience the frustration of gearing up and then somehow losing it all to a bug. :)
Well this sucks I wonder what we're gonna have to do to replace all with these missing components now... As soon as they get crafting into the game the better
Yeah I don't like this at all. It effectively locks a lot of stuff behind a PVP gate. That PVP gate being Pyro as a whole. As an industrial player, I'll likely stick to Stanton for the foreseeable future until things die down a bit in Pyro and I can afford to lose it all in Pyro, but until then we're effectively locked out of a lot of content now.
Oh, cool. So they took away every single component I use and locked them behind a single game mechanic that looks like it's going to be ass. Wow they are good at this. Just brilliant minds at work.
My guess is that there will be other ways to get higher grade components than just pvp, eventually but yeah right now it does basically feel like they're trying their best to make PVP/Pyro the only viable choice for meaningful forward progression right now
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I can understand the military stuff being restricted. But civilian being restricted is stupid. It's in the F'ing name!
Civilian doesnt automatically mean to be available all time ... you can also get benefits from working for the mega corps and getting reputation with them.
They should keep these things in shop and make the cobstested zone ones better versions that were crafted…. So anyone who doesn’t want to do these zones could one day just craft…
Makes sense that you wouldn't be able to purchase military/stealth grade components from a civilian vendor in Stanton. I do agree with others that you should be able to purchase them directly from the military with high enough rep.
Yea, it makes sense that you can loot military grade components from some rusty hangar at forgotten lawless system. This is exactly how things work IRL - when you need to get hands on F-35 engine you go to Africa.
I'm pretty sure access to military components will be tied to UEE and CDF rep. I'm guessing CDF rep will unlock tiers C and D, and when vanduul incursions become a thing we'll be able to unlock tier A and B components with the UEE.
yeah than they have to do that with ships also, wait untill u'll need rep and time to fly places to find the ship want to buy, exept if u payd with money in that case the ship will always be yours and ready to flight
I sorta agree with some of these changes to ship components, however CIG need to add in other ways for people to aquire these things other than have them all locked behind a PVP area, or other...
Locking weapons and components behind one mission type is crazy.
Theres needs to be other methods.
But there is another method, and it's very easy. Buy them from other players.
@@BigSneed404 Risky risky.....
Yes There is another method and it is very easy: play the game.
@@BigSneed404 False equivalence, since those other players can also only get them from contested zones in pyro, and those players are not likely to want to sell those components outside their orgs or friend groups, or else charge exorbitant and impractical rates for the components that can be lost on ship destruction (or else just scam you out of the transfer since we don't have a contract system in game either)
this is justa fomo to push people to play events that are prob so boring and broken no one plays them
Hoping for RNG to provide access to high quality components in a game where bugs and half baked gameplay decimate motivation to dive deep is just more cart-before-horse thinking on CIG's part.
The parts do not snap to grids so they commonly fly out of you ship in QT so you have Stacks of RNG.
@@natexbometal5834 parts snap to grid, just they have odd snaps so you need to fiddle around with it or have a big enough grid. That is to say the do so in current live build.
AS IS TRADITION
I can totaly understand to not make military models purchasable. Stealth... maybe if you argue they might be developed for military too.
But every other class makes no sense at all.
I hope that the contested zone will not be the only way to get hands on those components. There should be a chance for enemy ships with them, so we can loot them for other reasons than just cargo.
TBH, contested zones make no sense for these to be the way to obtain them. Why are these military components only available from outlaws?
@robharris5229 Fair point.
You fail to understand that our FULL LOOT PVP game is for HARDCORE PVP chadboys who love HARDCORE PVP and are AMAZING AWESOME super duper fans of SUPER REALISM SPACE GAME!
*realism not guaranteed to be consistent or even present
*any representation of pvp is not guaranteed to be hardcore
*looting is not guaranteed to be easy, fast, or make any sense at all
*space is optional
LOL Insurance fraud being a lucrative gameloop. Love it!!
Foxy you've got to be one of the best SC creators out there rn
As long as you can get them in game (Rep, Mission Rewards, Factions, Pirating, Crafting, Exploration etc), and they aren't gated by Pyro Contested Zones only, that is fine.
Then you'll get a bad answer to this atm :D
Agreed but seems unlikely. I think NPCs all use default weapons on ships. Idk about rep/faction rewards though.
so basically all the military comps cant be purchased anymore right?
That's fine as I didn't use military parts anyway
Fine by me, military consumes too much energy
That's fine... umm something intelligent
And about half of the stealth ones too. Those are honestly the only ones I care about.
@@fenn7437 i do, those will give you an edge in fighting.
1:20 lucrative loop based on duping with insurance, this is the state of the game
So the whole point is the adding FOMO by making some weapon only obtainable with events. Just make working events that are fun to play and we will play them, no need to take away content from players just to push them the direction u want.
I hope they'll add larger size maxOx weapons and Ardor Repeaters.
1:05 "insurance fraud, duplication, then sell" - this is exactly what ANY player can do )) You don't even need to go CZ, just buy once. So it will spread like a plague and couple of weeks after release these "high end components" will be sold in chat by everyone. Unless CiG fixes claim duplication.
As someone who flies a cargo ship, if there's any PvP combat I'm probably dead no matter what grade components I'm using. So these changes really don't affect me. 😉 I'll just buy the fastest or most efficient quantum drive I can easily get my hands on and be happy with that.
Get something with a short spool up time, those are better for escaping.
As far as what we've been told as well the differences between grade b and a are also very small so it's probably reasonable to assume people will only bring them out for the most pvp of pvp fights well more economic builds will be used for casual play v
This channel has literally become my one-stop shop for Star Citizen content. Keep up the amazing work! Also: Do you even sleep? The volume of content you are putting out is incredible.
Foxy is a machine!
@@Solo_01Literally. With Borg data cables coming out of his temples.
I have no problem with access to higher grade weapons and components being locked behind a reputation level. Something like a specialised store for players who unlock higher tier reps with the UEE and the forthcoming guilds. What I do have issues with is the components being locked behind loot crates in PvP contested zones where RNG then plays a role as to what you will find.
That is a bummer. Going out and buying the military A components is one of the first things I do after a wipe. But if they're still out there to find that's something at least.
Actually right now best shields and coolers are either industrial or stealth )) Until CIG makes component's health meaningful.
I think it is cool that they are adding actual game loops to find weapons.
To those saying that these changes are good motivation for them to play Star Citizen's content, I think you couldn't possibly be saying less for the quality of the gameplay available.
To be clear, if having to grind out RNG is all that is drawing players to play the content, then I think the game needs, and we deserve, better fun.
I kind of assume this has something to do with reputation and insurance frauding isn't really what CIG was picturing. 😆
Its fine, it rewards those who like to pvp but CIG needs other pathways to obtain them either rep or long grinding.
If you are not doing pvp, you don't need an optimised ship.
@@imperatorz7062 id where your logic r but ofc ship need fitted best parts also its realy bad move to add all best parts only behind pvp not everyone like fps pvp and like ship pvp
how about buying them from the players that did the work to get them? like literally any other game
@havnoname2 maybe after get way trade whitout change get scamned or way add bouny for head 🤣 i dont trust randoms that much
which ship comes with default Mirrage shield?
Eclipse or prowler if I remmber
Fine, I'll stick to industrial but it does smell of "how can we get them into Pyro"?
... For what reason would you have to go to Pyro if not for reward for the risk? The sights?
They warned us nearly 2 years ago that military components would eventually be unavailable from shops, you'll get them by farming Reps or raiding military ships for the piracy inclined.
@@SeaRaven227 but would it not be better there create military S tier for that?
@SeaRaven227 reputation farming...
Ah yes, the bit they look to have abandoned
@@CarlotheNord so far the rewards aren't that interesting to a miner and hauler. Its all been about the combat. A few "might be rare minerals" but that pays no bills.
Why would pirates have only access to plasma weapons?? and military equipment.. they should have to use inferior weapons not superior. Why would any pirate need to pirate anything?? At this rate the corporations would need to raid pirates for equipment. I hate this forced pvp crap where you force other players to the pirates instead of pirates needing to raid lawful areas. Why are the transports going into somalia to raid the pirates for supplies and better equipment??? it makes no sense. Pirates should have to raid lawful areas and be able to make unreliable but otherwise better weapons.
Contested zones are open to everyone to play so stop the drama queen act nobody's gonna give you a hug.
Yes it would be stupid that all the best equipment would be out in a lawless zone. But CIG only cares about getting people into their PvP zones.
@@rooster1012 man, if I wanted FPS pvp - I'd go play CS, Titanfall or Insurgency , I'm here for space ship pvp and this team FPS arena CZ crap is the last thing I'm interested in. I'm just wondering why as a pilot I'm forced to pay any attention to it.
Space Tarkov is dumb for ship components.
Yeah unfortunately it doesn’t make sense lore wise and I think this is the problem with front loading all the new content in Pyro. Stanton should have been shown more love in 4.0 and there should have been military type mission loops that unlocked these weapons and components in Stanton, even if it was through some type of reputation system. Although military contracting and taking on short term contracts and fighting in a war would have been an epic addition.
Also ship weapons and components being unlocked though fps content doesn’t feel right. I love ship combat content, why can’t I unlock weapons for my ship via ship combat. It seems a little silly tbh. CIG cashing in on the current extraction shooter hype, if this was 2010 we’d probably have a battle royal. God, I’m so glad it isn’t 2010.
Not to worry ship combat enjoyers, we still have the same bounty missions from 3.0 that haven’t evolved at all. Hooray.
I guess my $1000 Polaris is nothing but an expensive taxi in the direction the games moving but hey at least it has muticrew. For what content I don’t know, I guess my friends can replace a few fuses if it breaks down on the way to my fps lobby. 😂
Thank you for making this video. I've been losing my mind making new ship builds on erkul.
This is a good thing, I like this. It gives us a reason to go out and actually play the content, which is lacking in current Star Citizen. We're moving to being an actual MMO where we have goals to work towards, rather than just hoarding money to buy more ships to hoard even more money to buy more ships.
Thank you. Actual brain power in this community went to u
1000%
Forcing cancer PvP at 5 fps is not the solution. People need to riot about this.
I don't mind going out to have to earn things, but not if it means having to rely on RNG. RNG ruins MMOs.
@@supermaster2012 You are what is wrong with the community right there. Upgrade that potato you call a pc, make friends/join an org and go after the components yourself.
🎉 Gameplay = taking away components and putting them behind activity hoop jumping. After 12 years. 🎉
CIG employee: we cant get players to do multiplayer or pvp
CIG manager: take away their favorite gear and move it into the PVP area to force them!
You will be able trade for them just like people trade for good armour, weapons right now.
IF cig could implement an auction house sooner rather than later tht would be nice.
Yes it's a very lazy way to create exclusivity.
@@Dracounguis yeah very lazy would be better there done a S Tier components for that
Just as I feared. We are now going to have to grind for things we used to have easy access to. Which is fine, as long as the economy is balanced. If I ever get my hands on the blueprints for these military components, I will craft them and sell them at insane prices.
What's the ship paint on the Sabre from the intro of this video ? It looks silver.
I'm all for making special things behind reputation levels. But CIG should make new things not just lock up old things.
The Spectre drive is really useful for the Eclipse, but since the missions dont pay enough to cover the cost of the Eclipse torps there is no reason to use the ship or the stealth q-drive anyways.
I like this move, just hope they aren't locked behind things that don't make sense.
They are, can only be found at the end of Contested Zones. Good luck fighting the zerg.
locked behind fps pve / pve zone so gl to farm them contested zone will be so full ppls
This man never misses with content
It's going to make some interesting arms dealing. Best hire some backup in case the deal goes bad.
You go on global chat and ask to borrow one, you duplicate it 837474 times and give it back.
This change doesn't solve anything, it's a failed attempt at forcing cancer PvP.
Where did you get that pink polaris livery??
Nice isn't it? It's a bug that has somehow produced ship paints nicer looking than this year's BiS paints.
@Heshinsi oh ffs...lol
It is possible le CIG are trying to get players to go to the contested zones to fight over those goodies.
Has anyone bitching in the comments even looked at the component stats? Grade A civilian and industrial components are pretty much on par with military, and in some cases better. You wont be gimping yourself by installing civilian components, this is just a way to incentive people to do missions for a reason other than money.
Yeah I dig it if they bring in ways to earn the other components. Lock them behind rep whatever.
I believe it has to do with hit points (cops be other stuff too). All military components have a very high hit point pool, they are much more durable.
Mil qd drives are the best fir range and speed . And all mil components have the highest hp.
>Grade A civilian and industrial components are pretty much on par with military
This is only because component's health is not in effect right now. You won't use industrial shield or powerplant if it will die in a fight twice more often than military one.
Makes sense to have top tier components a bit difficult to acquire/find.
This means a stock Ghost I is 10 X quieter than a Ghost II (2.2 EM vs 25 EM )
Ghost MKII is a marketing bloop. Stealth fighter without stealth components and 10% bigger CS. 🤦♂
As usual, if enough braincell is applied to the problem, it can turn out a good thing.
Braincell that are not the trademark for CIG behaviour.
Looting better components is rewarding, but if you can just claim them back 100 times and sell them for profit, it will break the economy (my bet on that).
Crippling new player experience with components unable to jump from point A to B is not fun, which is what (obviously) CIG is doing. What is the sense of having that military QD being "the absolute best at everything, instead then a trade with Pro and Contra?
How can a super performing QD be at the same time, the fastest, rapid cooling, and also the less fuel hungry among every QD, including slow and very conservative industrial QDs? Why not have super coolers that allow fast and efficient cooldown for other components but give a strong IR marker, power generators that allow more weapons on board, but emit a lot and need very good coolers?
Why not QD slow and sipping fuel and fast but hungry ones as it once was (with proper fuel tank tweaking)?
Why don't put the Class A being the best performing in each category, as it was until 3.20.
Check how the "Geniuses" at CIG development and ship section changed components in 4.0 and let's cry together! I'd have more faith in a pack of drunken howling monkeys could do a better job, in 1/4 of the time and just bananas🤦
It is worth noting that all these numbers are croud sourced to erkul, and the owner manually updates the numbers whenever they change since there is no longer a way to see shop info through data mining.
If you are greatful for the information available, be sure to thumbs up or down whenever you see something missing or where it is supposed to be!
What Sabre skin is that ?
Just curious if the were gonna need to scan AI ships to see what they have equipped and maybe get lucky with them having upgraded components?
Scans dont show shit , they hardly work in 4.0
NPCs don't spawn with military components above grade C, this is a stupid restriction to force people into the cancer PvP contested zones and it's disgusting.
@ a lot of shit doesn’t work but doesn’t mean that can’t be part of the game
@@elementsk8r1717 CIG spent 12 years promising PvP would be optional yet it's very clear that Sandy Gardner is now pushing for SC to become Rust in space. This is disgusting behavior and outright ilegal false advertising in the EU and Australia.
I'm Wing Commander concierge and I will refund my entire account if they don't revert this change by 4.1.
I know other whales with more money spent than me will do the same.
Forcing PvP is how you kill the game.
"We are CIG, we cannot make decent missions and will thus outsource all content creation to players and force everyone to 'enjoy' killing other players. Suck it."
I think this is the beginning of locking component and weapons behind reputations. We're meant to start SC as nobody civilians. To get access to military and other specialty gear, we have to earn our way into the good graces of the governments and corporations (or other unsavory factions) to gain access to the good and exotic stuff.
I was an NDB fan for a number of patches until I got the Ardors. Now I just want the NDBs because they will be rare haha.
Is there a guide on how to do the CZ? I hear there are access cards that drop from asteroid bases?
working on it.
@@cpt_foxyloxy Fantastic! Thank you very much!
People need to riot about this. I have been complaining on Spectrum non-stop and all the time I get some smug griefer answering "muh go do PvP and earn your rewards".
It's disgusting that they locked the NDBs, an essential PvE ship weapon, behind some PvP cancer area that runs like actual dog shit.
We need people to reject this loudly and vocally like when they removed ordinance from insurance. We need to push back against this aggression from CIG, and we need to start NOW.
CIG didn't remove any of my messages on Spectrum or ban me, so they don't seem to be against this discussion. Go on Spectrum NOW and voice your complaint.
People do not have to riot at all. just because you suck at the game does not mean it should be a treshold for everyone.
@ For everyone reading this, type this guy's name on Spectrum and read his comment history there. He's a griefer that thinks pad ramming is a legit PvP gameplay.
Do not condone griefer kids.
@@supermaster2012 I did but nothing comes up from what you described. Pulling at straws much i suppose?
@@purson117 Gating content behind PvP is dumb. There has to be multiple ways to earn the same thing, even if it is quicker to get said items in these zones. Also; pad rammers like you should get banned as you are toxic to the long term health of the game.
@AidenPryde3025 Many games gate items behind pvp. In SC you have the option of getting things yourself through various ways. I really do not understand where this forcing pvp on players comes from. You can tell people like yourself do not play the game at all. I have encountered 3 people myself while doing the contested zones myself many times.
I think some of the gameplay needs to be split differently between high sec & nul sec.
The best resources (mining etc), should be in Pyro, the best weapons and ship components in Stanton (located with the big manufacturers). Additionally maybe it’s harder to refuel or repair in Pyro also leading to and explaining the desperation of Pyro players.
This will give a chance for Stanton players coming into Pyro (with the shiny equipment) and taking a risk at mining or trading for the best resources with payment through credits or via ships/weapon parts. This might suit a lot of PVPrs and PVErs alike regardless of play style.
And it gives those more nefarious types the chance to pirate your best components and weapons etc
Also if you set up your permanent home in Pyro, I don’t think you should have free access into Stanton. You should have to form relationships with Stanton players to arrange trade etc, maybe you’re reliant on them coming to you, or you can only travel into Stanton via NPC passenger transports to meet a contact (all via appropriate customs etc) or alternatively if you need to get a ship through to pirate or smuggle into Stanton……. The gate defences on the Stanton side are turned off through a gameplay activity (maybe contested zones loot - data card), or automatically 1hr a day due to some lore reason letting you sneak your ship across.
Therefore you either do your business round trip discretely in that hour before the time runs out (if not gate defences kill you trying to get back across, or you get detained in prison etc maybe you can’t be a citizen if you live off grid in Pyro) or you have to hold up somehow for 24hrs to cross the next day again etc
This means Stanton players are encouraged at great risk and reward to come into Pyro (if not live a less lucrative life in mainly safety) and Pyro players can still get some good gameplay with each other and people coming into Pyro. Also you can still get into Stanton but you have to be a little smart in how it’s achieved.
I am not saying you can’t be a full time pirate in Stanton for example, of course you can……but life will be harder avoiding the law, and I’m not saying you can’t be an honest farmer in Pyro……..you might just need to relay on good relationship building / reputation to survive.
Good info, Foxy! Just wanted to ask, has anyone put a list together of new commodities in Pyro and where to sell for profit? I see a space station will buy construction materials for 2.2 k and bioplastics and Ry karth (alien commodity?) Near 1.8 k ans so on.
Im ok with fps getting rewards but I sure hope that CIG doesnt screw over other types of professions by not offering these components by other quest lines.
You can buy all the banned stuff at CRU-L2...but that disappeared too :)
erkul's statistics may be a bit busted since there are bugs with some of the vendors where you can't actually buy anything there.
Ok. So the first thing to do is... to run a whole bunch of bounty hunting missions and gobble up any military/stealth equipment I can find. Noted.
NPC ships don't spawn with any military component above grade C, which you can simply duplicate from default loadouts in your ships.
Eh, we'll see. CIG might change that.
@@diminios the current EPTU build is more or less what will go live. Wakapedia-CIG confirmed on Spectrum that no more major changes were coming before live, just stability updates and bug fixes.
If CIG think I'm going to go and play a gameloop that doesn't interest me in the slightest just to get better components that won't help me much anyway, they're even more deluded than I thought.
It makes sense to remove military-spec components from shops. As a generic Star Citizen, you are not enlisted in the military (that's what SQ42 is for), and even if you were, why should you be allowed to purchase military equipment for any of your personal ships not issued and maintained by the UEEN? The way I see it, this is one form of player progression that people have been asking for - you can find these components, just not buy them from civilian shops. For now it seems these military-spec components are found in Pyro's contested zones, likely salvaged by pirates or smuggled from the UEEN. Could we as players salvage them from UEEN ships? Can we find them in other locations? Can we earn them from reputation rewards or quest-related military contracts? In the future, can we craft them from blueprints?
I think this is a step in the right direction. Oh, and those non-military-spec components? While they aren't "the best", they can get the job done just fine. A few stat boosts here and there might matter in an otherwise even fight, but that can probably be made up for with skill/awareness. I wouldn't fret too much about these changes just yet.
But if that's the case, you should also be able to purchase them from places like grimHEX just prohibitively expensive.
To add to that, why would you be able to buy tanks?
>As a generic Star Citizen, you are not enlisted in the military (that's what SQ42 is for), and even if you were, why should you be allowed to purchase military equipment
You allowed to use A2 bomber or Eclipse, but you can't by higher grade components for it because you're civilian. Sounds kind of rediculous, don't you think?
@@alexpetrov8871 The arguments people are making in favour of these changes don't make any sense. So the UEE is ok with us buying Polaris, Idris, Javelin, A2, Hammerhead, and Perseus class ships, but then want to curb us on being able to buy higher class components for them? And not only that, these components are then only found in random quantities, random qualities, and random sizes in run down PvP zones in a non UEE system. That's like Blackwater being sold surplus military helicopters, tanks, APCs, etc, and then being told that if they want better components for those military hardware they need to find them in some random caves in Afghanistan where they have to fight of Taliban fighters patrolling the area, as well as other PMCs just like them who are also hunting for those same components.
Looking these higher tier weapons and components behind rep/rank based stores makes sense. Stores where once you unlock the required rep/rank you can shop the full library of goods you qualify for. What doesn't make sense at all and completely runs counter to any and all lore is these higher tier components being locked behind outlaw system contested zones, where you're then at the mercy of some RNG loot table to determine what you components who find.
C.I.G just can't help themselves. I am convinced of This
Anyone got a link for a cig social or cig post on why or what they removed from in game shops?
The issue i see with dupe insurance claim from other ships or from store hanger weapons, They get wiped with every update
1st thing I do is spend $ on mags and pens And get a group in Pyro and just get allot of parts
Hope they add component stats so we do not have to use a third party software.
I am guessing it's going to be rep based eventually for a lot of high end weapons and components.
Totally expected military components makes sense to me
I think the same will apply to several military ships in the future.
@@Solar546 i hope so
@@Solar546 How do you imagine it - deny people to use pledged military ships? Deny them to pledge military ships? Lol. You chose the wrong game ))
Military i can understand it, but stealth components? what the fuck?
Stealth tech is the most valuable military tech, I will bet it will became illegal with UEE if you equip it in UEE space without some kind of permission later in the game
It was going to happen at some point.
Now dont quote me here but i think ive seen some of those components on npc ships at the asteriod clusters while ive been doing missions there.
i was scanning some wrecks.
I noticed in last eptu patch that ships I have that used to have Military components now do not.
Honestly this is awful, we should had got things like the scorched components for weapons, but for ships instead (extra bonuses in exchange of other things) of taking out components to never see them again (rng... if they were a reliable way of getting them like "this component spawns in this station" would be good)
Not fond of this change. Not fond of taking out from a side to shoehorn it as content in other.
If this is confirmed, CIg is doing everything (and wrong) to further distance its player base from the game.
What’s more troublesome is that the contested zones content doesn’t work well. In addition there is no logical reason for size 3 civilian anything to be blockaded. If you are rich enough, you can even buy military spec things in the real world. Why remove it? Just make it exorbitant.
How? So to get the best components you have to play the game now. Would it be better to have more Pay-To-Win instead?
There's players that start the game with like a million aUEC after full wipes...so before this change you just get players starting the game absolutely stacked after a few trips to shops. Why would that be better?
@@BradAhrens Don't be obtuse. I have a super fast internet connection, a brand new beefy CPU and GPU, a super fast SSD with 128GB of ram and SC works 60% of the time at best. When it works, it's amazing and fun, when it doesn't work, well you know.
Not only will we have to rely on desync not being a thing vs PVE, now we have deal with both PVE and PVP desync. Assuming that works and that you can actually place the fuses (which sometimes works on the PTU at this point), we will have to deal with people just camping the gates and blocking other people from getting in so they can sell the components in game at a premium.
@@hydralisk2000 Do we know if contested zones are the only way to obtain these items? Like what about salvage jobs and looting bounties?
@@BradAhrens Only at the end of CZ's
instead of hiding weapons currently available in shop they should be creating new ones for in game rewards
Blasphemy! This is power creep!
This seems like a bad idea. I would think they'd want to tie these newly elusive components to the reputation system they're floating right now in addition to, instead of forcing people solely into, these FPS gameloops.
One step at a time my friend. Gives me hope for the future and what else they will come up with.
Each new thing comes in steps. You can’t expect them to add everything all at once.
Yeah I'm really starting to get angry about this. Quite frankly, I don't want normal items to become loot only items. I want special items to be lootable. Components with unique traits. Items that are custom tweaked. But normal items from class D-A to stay in normal vendors. You take those away and a lot of ships are not going to have any upgrade paths outside of crafting and loot.
Such as the Sabre now. Now with almost all of the military and stealth components being removed from all stores, there's virtually no upgrade path for it. I'm a prolific component tweaker. I love swapping out and customizing components. It's quite literally one of my favorite things to play around with. But now, with half the components yoinked from shops, there's very little for me to do if anything at all on some ships, and less and less to do on others and that is really starting to piss me off.
There needs to be a sufficient level of base diversity in components for us to dive into. With the loss of so many components there is no longer enough diversity to enjoy that gameplay. They should put all class D-A items back in the normal shops. Then let the players create the rest of the diversity with crafting and modding. If they don't want everyone to be able to buy military or stealth gear, fine, then create a military vendor and require the player to earn enough reputation with the military and UEE before they area allowed to buy components from that shop. Then either do something similar with the pirates or require pirates to pirate said gear. Even stripping reputation with military shops if player earns a reputation as a pirate. Which might start to force people to actually choose a path. But 4.0's shops as they are now are unacceptable. To the point it might push me away from playing anymore.
they are not going away, they are moving to pyro or to mission rewards
So basically anything that is military you can not purchase in game.
Making military parts not purchasable is incredibly stupid to me. We fly military ships and use military guns and armor. Its normal to have versions of military gear available for civilians essentially working as mercenaries like military contractors- we literally fight for the police security forces in game as mercs and bounty hunters. Plus the whole idea of military surplus, or using military ships that are retired from current use but sold to private citizens and police forces. This is made sillier if you buy a military ship and it comes with class C military parts, but you can no longer buy the better class A parts to upgrade it. That makes zero sense, come on.
Everything they are doing makes no sense. It just makes the game harder, grindier, more annoying, and less fun.
Looks like you are one of the rare persons to not understand shit and have no logic at all... if the best thing is super easy to get, so what is the goal in playing the game?
@scrap_er the first half of your comment was needlessly RUDE. You insulting people does not make you more right. If you read my comment it was entirely logical.
Your view of buying these parts as too easily having the best things oversimplifies the idea of upgrades. There can and are pros and cons to different kinds of upgrades and parts. The best is not the best for all uses. Also, you said if you can buy military parts, why play the game. That is extremely illogical as most people do not see the point of playing the game to acquire these parts. These parts just make the game more playable.
At every patch the first thing I, and many others do, is earn some money and use it to upgrade the parts of all my ships. That way they are better and more useful for playing the game, grinding the rep, earning the bigger long term money, and just enjoying space adventures. There are a ton of grinds in this game, we don't need more grinds, and basic equipment and upgrades should not be a big grind. And the grind is not the point of playing, its just something we end up having to do. The point of playing should be a fun immersive space adventure.
@Elidrys "fun immersive space adventure" , so you think its immersive to have instant access to every best things and all those are super easy to get like by doing an hr of salvage?
@scrap_er you are still missing the point, all of the points, and stuck on the idea these are the best items and once you have them the game is pointless to you.
Others have pointed out you can get class A civilian and industry parts, which have been balanced up to be similarly good. So by your logic (or lack there of) you want them to remove all class A parts from in game stores.
We are not talking about how much they cost or how fast you can earn the money. We are talking about access to buy. You could make class A parts more expensive, but completely removing option to purchase does not make sense.
Beyond that, I reiterate if we are flying a military ship that comes stock with military parts, we should be able to buy the better versions of those parts.
@Elidrys if you can get civilians as good , so why are you evn crying? Just do a civilian upgrade..
the NDBs are good, but not "LETS TAKE THEM OUT OF THE SHOPS" kinda good....
Nice move so now you need to buy more ship for different components than use the insurance way.😅
Not gonna play the contested zones, nor will mingle with PvP really, even if CIG wants us to be forced to do so :|
Why not put the Industrial's behind rep faction walls too? I'm mean, if they're going to be stupid, they may as well go all in.
Because I can buy a semi-truck in about an hour, and can't buy any military rifles or jet engines IRL. You are forgetting this is a TESTING phase of the game. They needed people to test the military equipment before restricting it. The same will happen in cargo missions. 6 SCU cargo missions will pay much better per SCU than 600 SCU missions. Which is how it works IRL as well.
Actually. I like this. This to prevent those meta player want to play meta.
Thanks Foxy.
Geez... I find myself actually lots less excited for 4.0 after seeing this list...
This is actually good for gameplay.
@@Solar546 Long term? I agree.
But the things I actually wanted to try, before subjecting myself to the contested zones rng? Things I now will have to wait to try, or just not bother any time soon?
As a long time MMO player, do you have any idea how much I *LOATHE* rng?
RNG is, by definition, *never* good gameplay. Make the reward as a choice, not a rando loot drop that some people get their desire first time, and others *never* do.
@@corwyncorey3703 I think that getting items as reward is a great incentive to play, and that's very beneficial for the longevity of the game. This way my character can have a more linear growth, rather than finding an easy way to make money and buy everything I want in a month.
They took my beloved Stealth components from the shops? ... Damn... Guess I need to go civilian and industrial now. ... That's sad. ...
Since those are cheaper anyway, I'll have all my ships fitted after 3 days instead of a week now. lol
The annoying part (so far) is that you are forced into PvP to get any of those modules.
Simply because there will always be other players in those zones ... and buying from other players is just as much of a russian roulette.
As if a long Rep-Grind wasn't an option to consider. ... I will NOT set foot into Pyro .... not for any module in the Verse. XD
Does anyone use the NN guns? Besides me, but I'm strange. 😆
They worse than NDB in almost every aspect - do less damage, user more power, have fewer ammo. Yes, they have a bit lower spread, but it is actually more benefitial to properly choose distance than rely on low spread. There is just no real benefits from chooisng NN.
@@alexpetrov8871all neutron weapons have a bonus against shields compared to their energy repeater/cannon equivalents.
@@supermaster2012 Sounds more like a trolling. In fact they don't. You can easily test it by shooting shields of AFK ship and noting time to melt them down. Did you?
@@alexpetrov8871 literally extract the games files using unp4k and unforge and look at the damage modifiers inside their xml descriptor.
Can understand them doing this for Military and stealth components, I could envisage those being restricted to civilian markets. Makes no sense from gameplay or lore perspective to remove any civilian or competition line systems, especially civilian ones. wouldn't those manufacturers want people to be able to buy their products? Just makes no sense and shows up how hap hazard CIG can be with things some times.
They need to lock up the good stuff, otherwise nobody would play their new content shit and just grind and buy everything as usual after the wipe!🤷🏻♂️
So SC follows in the footsteps of other MMOs by hiding the good equipment behind a PVP wall...
I just love when do shit like this on top of all the shit they do. Can't wait to experience the frustration of gearing up and then somehow losing it all to a bug. :)
Agree. It’s more making me stick to Elite Dangerous! 😂
Well this sucks I wonder what we're gonna have to do to replace all with these missing components now... As soon as they get crafting into the game the better
CIG warned about items having rep-walls, I guess this is kinda like that
Rep walls are grinding rep to unlock access from a special vendor for a guaranteed thing.
not like this one will be better when they put exclusive and unique stuff in there
Oh boy... this is gonna suck ass. Why remove? Make em expensive as fuck and let the pvp dudes get them for free
Yay CIG and its buggy mission/area system, so we will never see those components for a long time...
Yeah I don't like this at all. It effectively locks a lot of stuff behind a PVP gate. That PVP gate being Pyro as a whole. As an industrial player, I'll likely stick to Stanton for the foreseeable future until things die down a bit in Pyro and I can afford to lose it all in Pyro, but until then we're effectively locked out of a lot of content now.
Oh dang, I use the absolution on my Taurus. Sad.
Oh, cool. So they took away every single component I use and locked them behind a single game mechanic that looks like it's going to be ass. Wow they are good at this. Just brilliant minds at work.
Clearly done to encourage scavenging and PVE/PVP missions. No problem here.
Is the game even going to be worth playing
CIG really going from "high risk, high reward" to "lol, go to Pyro or have nothing"
Anyway, my hype for Star Citizen is dead now.
My guess is that there will be other ways to get higher grade components than just pvp, eventually but yeah right now it does basically feel like they're trying their best to make PVP/Pyro the only viable choice for meaningful forward progression right now