I Tried (liked) Condi Quick DPS HARBINGER - Thoughts
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4:40 swap to rit instead of traiblazer if you need more survivability. You gain vit instead of toughness which avoid you messing with tanking. And you gain boon duration which helps with uptime if you're new to the build or during messy fights
Edit: also learning a static loop for shroud will help you tremendously with dps
Not sure how ritualist stat gear would give you more survivability. You gain increased vitality (used for tanking condi damage) for it sure, but you don't get any toughness (used for tanking strike damage) at all which is what trailblazer provided. Surely the boon duration isn't enough to make that difference as that only extends the timers and not the effectiveness.
@@majinpvegeta Vitality increases your hp pool which effectively means that it makes you harder to get killed from condi AND power damage.
It also does not mess with tanking mechanics which is a huge plus in raid scenarios where you really don't want to have a guy who doesn't even know they're tanking directing the boss attacks towards the rest of the squad.
The one advantage that toughness has over vitality specifically on harbinger is that vitality gets effectively reduced effectiveness from blight since the mechanic scales your hp pool down. But then I would advance the argument that, if you depend on toughness gear to not die in raids, you need to learn to dodge circles and to tell your healer to give more prot (prot does as much dmg reduction as 1000 extra toughness does). I do want to strass that you can survive all encounters on harb if you have prot on you and don't feed to red circles. I would know, I regularly play this class.
And the BD helps cover your uptimes if you have a sketchy rotation or if the boss is forcing you to go away form stack for mechanics. And more quickness is more damage dealt to boss. More damage dealt means that the boss phases/dies faster. A boss dead earlier is a boss that has less time to do mechanics. And less mechanics is ultimately less wipe/failure points and less damage taken by the squad.
@@majinpvegeta Adding toughness is a big no-no for most raids as a lot of raid bosses have toughness based tanking. Also generally speaking, swapping off Vipers actually loses you quite a lot of dps because strike damage is still quite a significant part of any CDPS build. There are very few instances in pve where you'll randomly be hit with >10k damage burst (Greatsword Mobs with damage increasing instabs in Tier 4 Urban Battleground / Oasis Fractals being the classic examples). Every single other time you're getting oneshot at 16k Health, somebody (usually you) has made a very serious mistake. You really don't need more than 16k HP to survive. But if you absolutely NEED the extra survivability and you have the flexibility offered by legendary gear, just go Ritualist.
My favourite part about harbringer especially the power variant is the movement. If you like having infinite dashes give this class a try
To add to this: The PQuick Harb uses identical equipment to PReaper.
This is the embodiment of POTION SELLAH!
I'm obsessed with this series of testing videos. I hope he can eventually test out the DPS classes. I feel like I know a lot more about other classes and have been trying some of them out myself. Thanks, Muksy
You’re so great at reviewing and explaining these builds and I’ve learned a lot. Would love to see you try some dps builds as well!
just a few remarks:
- blight stacks give you a quite decent amount of self-healing, so you are definitely more sturdy than some other builds with 16k hp. if you get hit for 16k, that's just a matter of gameplay, not every weaver constantly dies either.
- you do want to use the elixirs off cd since they generate a lot of blight and not only your elixirs do more dmg with blight, but also your shroud skills. so you lose out on a lot of dps if you don't meet the blight thresholds.
- you have quite decent cc on this build with pistol 3, torch 5, shroud 4 and shroud 5 in addition to optionally bringing spectral grasp.
- other than on scg you have very nice mobility built-in to the class with shroud 3 and shroud 4 with shroud 4 even being an evade that you can use to not get oneshot
- on harb you gain life force by entering shroud, so you never have a moment where you cannot go into shroud because your life force is drained. that links to not having a second hp bar, but instead taking dmg to your normal hp while in shroud. that sucks for survivability ofc, but it massively helps to make the dps and boon output consistent.
- dagger 5 is also dmg that you didn't use in your clips
This is really good advice.
Tho im tired of people saying harb on max stack is ultra squish while it still has more health than Ele, guard and thief. While the latter two have more armor that doesn't mean its always applicable nor are you always in the worst case. Plus you get a free regen stronger than max healing power regen next to it. Aditionally you get more vitality for just being a harb and each master trait scales with your vitality so it's not a real wasted stat. Yes, you are sacrificing 37.5% of max hp, but people don't get that necro's healthbar is stacked and only matched by warrior while you can still get healed in schroud unlike reaper. Yes you are squishy, but if you don't survive, that is not you being max blight specifically.
do you recommend this harbinger always uses up his heal skill on cd? does it mean we have no heal skill when we actually need an emergency heal?
@@embreis2257you can ofc save it when you know big dmg is incoming like greens on vg or the big attacks on boner. But generally you do want to use it
I love Harbinger. It is my favorite build for condi damage. Feels very satisfying. Knowing the quickness output is easy to maintain makes it even more enjoyable. Just by switching out two traits. Not really changing that much in the rotation.
Necro one of my fav classes! Great video
You should try power quick harb. So much fun!!
The power version of this also *really slaps*
Playing power quick harbi in fractals raids and strikes and had some good results on it. The upside to it is that if you have a power reaper set up, all you need to do is to change the reaper traitline into harbinger with the right traits. It's that simple.
I really like taking Plague Signet in condi-heavy fights like sloth and ankka to double down on transference, every time I take it in those fights I end up getting a pretty substantial dps increase from it while protecting my squishy harb body from condi ticks. I miss the way it used to turn you into a condi lightning rod but it's still really good for what it is.
love this build. my go-to quickness provider currently.
Even though I never gelled with Necromancer I'm always happy to have one of these or alac scourges in our groups. Definitely a good build
good overview with a few small errors. but since you mentioned, that you didnt play the build for too long, its only natural.
- you do not give 100% fury to your party. you just get more fury uptime on yourself from frurious demise in the curses traitline
- jade bot core tier 10 is pretty important. for more health and for more boon duration from twisted medicine
- switching the elixir order in your opener slightly increases your dmg! since elixir of anguish (orange) doesnt really benefit from blight since it only adds a bit of power dmg, while elixir of promise gets the poison duration on it increased. in the boneskinner footage you did it this way around.
also worth mentioning: the number 4 shroud skill is also an evade. not for its whole animation but it can come in very handy if you know how to use it.
But I especially liked that you explained a lot of the utility skills, one can swap in. cause imo that's what makes a player good: bringing appropriate utilities and not just stay on the "top dps build" all the time
I really enjoy that series.
I'm a necro main and this was my first boon dps build, always been a fun and easy build and the rotation (if you actually do it) loops nicely. It feels so smooth to play.
I think you'll get a little more damage if you don't spend as much time in shroud. Entering or exiting shroud gives you a buff called soul barbs which gives you +10% damage for 15 seconds. So you generally want to be leaving or entering shroud before the soul barbs effect runs out.
You'll also get more damage by using the Insidious Disruption trait instead of plague sending. This trait applies torment when you disable an enemy, so shroud 4 and 5 will do torment. This means that you'll need to use dagger 4 to send the conditions, or alternatively you can use plague signet, though that takes up a utility slot.
It's possible to use Blood is Power twice at the beginning to send more conditions to the enemy, but as you mentioned you risk your conditions getting cleansed if you don't send them to the enemy immediately.
cool video and i laught so hard at the thumbnail! both done well.
Scourge main here. I'm trying converting my gear for Harbinger, but need time to get used to the Harbinger squishiness from a tanky Scourge.
But I'm glad I can still use my trailblazer gears for a bit more survivability, before go full DPS.
For Condi Quickness Harbinger you can use Vipers+Trapper Runes, works for Pure Condi Scourge, Pure Condi Harbinger and even Condi Alac Scourge as well.
if your having issues with boonuptime on harbringer just use Toxic Maintence Oil, while the Sc version might do more damage personally i dont wanna spent 30g for Tormenting when trapper rune works just as fine and you can use it on multipe builds ^^
I run this as a jack-of-all-trades build for PvE and WvW using trailblazer main gear... Sceptre/Sword (offense) and Sword/dagger (defense) and Well of Corruption to convert boons to condis to open WvW group fights and its really good, esp. with condi damage healing you, vs. the Blood is Power variant.
It's a better build than I am a player but the sustain in all game modes is insane. My gear is still a bit of a mess, but I'm running 2100 condition damage and as long as I survive the initial onslaught, I'm winning 1 on 1 fights in Roaming WvW that I never won before. Sword is almost as good as pistol for refilling lifeforce and adds passive heals.
my favourite!!
You should swap order of red elixir and heal elixir in your opening. Getting the doubled strike damage and poison duration is more impactful than the doubled weakness duration and doubled strike damage.
that pistol going "nyaoooo nyaooo" is so ridiculous lol everytime I hear someone using it ingame, lmaooo
will u also try power quick binger? it's soo much fun
His low intensity guide to power quick harbinger is what got me started on dps support, but it would be interesting to see him review other variants especially since the changes and addition of other weapons.
Oooh glad to see power harb actually becoming a thing. I'll look into that
Both condi and power variants arguably play out almost identical. Mechanically theyre basically the same.
I was just considering doing this exact build, because I lack qdps and adps, and now after I saw that harbringer can give quickness, I just have to pick adps profession, but for the sake of completeness I will probably pick scourger.
Edit : Im about to use Scepter dagger and pistol torch.
I main Harb and I use her for 10 man group content as my go-to qdps. My go-to adps is Bladesworn, Im trying out adps Mirage to spice things up. it's REALLY fun, but it's SO MUCH more taxing than Harb and Bladesworn. 😂
I was expecting mukluk to mention that blood is power getting cleansed by other players and it should be addressed by anet in a way that “self-inflicted conditions cannot be cleansed by your team-mates”. But he did not run “Insidious Disruption” trait and that trait is actually pretty decent dps gain for harbinger. Please muk let us be heard :(
Worth noting that there's a damage reduction if you swap out of Viper's, due to Barbed Precision and Target the Weak traits in the Curses traitline.
Of course, it's better to survive with less damage and the build isn't overly reliant on criticals like Condi Virtuoso, but should be noted that it suffers a bit more from the drop in precision than typical condition builds.
Power quick harb is hella fun and even more straightforward. Been playing it since the latest big balance patch, the dps is no worse than condi (and much better for short-phase bosses) in strikes. Very easy to end up in top3 dps, and that's even with unoptimized rotation. I had no problems with survivability (jade bot t6), but maybe I get lucky with good healers.
When it comes to projectiles I find Mathias to be one of the most interesting bosses as there's one attack you need to reflect and one that you don't want to but destroy or convert instead.
does it mean we should bring _Corrosive Poison Cloud_ to Mathias?
@@embreis2257 Only if you know when to use it (the shards) and when not (during the shooting in the bubble).
Or if you want to troll your squad bt doing it at the wrong time.
also remember scepter 3 its a boon strip on enemies too
This is easily my favorite qdps build. Dps is so good and easy to play, no stab tho (harbinger weakness I guess), so in open PvE (convergences), I choose some stunbreak instead of signet.
As a side note, I think qdps cata left you with ptsd and I bet we'll hear more comparisons like this, in the future 😁
Shroud 5 is also a damage increase so should be used off CD on fights that dont have cc or when you know it will be back in time for the cc
Whats your opinion about condi Harbringer? Btw I really like your necro skins and your race pick. If I knew that this hat is a thing in the game my necro would be asura instead of human, for the sake of having cute hero I would definately go for it.
At the time that I tried this build I didn't know power harbi was a thing. I found a guide for condi and did it, and it worked great. However since then I've learned (from this comment section) that the power version is quite popular as well.
@@MuklukTH-cam ive seen power harbringer in action and its amazing, I still think condi version is superior damage wise but atleast I know that the power variant is viable with probably greatsword sword sword or greatsword axe focus. (I am not a fan of dagger torch since its doesnt burn boons).
@@huna7a Necro dagger 3 does remove boons, unless you mean something else.
Play with this build sometime ago, really strong but bit boring, try the power version with dual swords a week or two ago, all the movement skills, the big power damage, crazy fun, one thing though it is as squishy as it can be.
Unrelated, but it's funny that even with health reducing mechanisms, you still have more hp on harbringer than a quickens catalyst ever will. You probably didn't notice because you didn't take the previous build into real encounters, but you have to do that insane rotation while also avoiding every single avoidable damage source or you're on the floor. Compared to almost 3 times the health and doing quickness just by existing makes you wonder if this is even the same game
worth to combo elite potion with classes that add time on boons for the two rare defensive boons?
No. In instanced PvE, resistance is only useful in short periods so having sporadic resistance application is fine. Resolution has the same effects where only some bosses output enough damaging condis to matter.
Finally, condition cleanses exist, are much more common and completely remove the problems instead of delaying or dampening them
Question ⁉️ I want to use double ⚔️ sword in PVE and Raids on my Necromancer. Can you please give your expertise on this matter please.( I've been trying to determine if it would be better with DPS or Condi. I love torch, Scepter as back bar. I don't care for the great sword.) YEAH I 💕 the boons on that skill.
I assume you mean power or condi, and the swords are primarily for power builds as far as I know. I know some reapers that enjoy using them.
Yeah swords are definitely better on a power build than condi, the ideal weapon choices are to take great sword and dagger main hand/sword offhand, but sword/sword is good enough generally but a noticable damage loss
I main guardian and thief, so I don't notice the health loss on harbinger. I was surprised when I played warrior how tanky you can get.
I love to play harbinger, my only issue with harbinger(and scourge) is that it has nothing to do with necromancy.
Is there any way we can "dye" our ability? Or change the skills colors. That would be fun.
Some skills change appearance with legendaries, but other than that, no ways that I know of.
Only problem if get knocked down while in shroud, there's no self break stun.
Just as a note Dagda CM can't be projectile blocked, only the normal mode.
Muck said in a previous vid that he doesn't do CO CM because he thinks it requires too much coordination
To clarify: I don't have a static group, I always do pugs. And I don't trust pugs much with challenge modes so I don't do them often.
CO CM is more of a "DPS and stay away from bad" the same way Silent Surf is, since they both are HP sponges with lots of splitting.
Pug groups are still hit or miss, but they aren't 80% failing like they used to.
Since Muk mains boon jail, getting just 1~2 friends who can pump pure dps reliably well is usually good enuf to carry a lot of the pressure.
@@MuklukTH-cam I find CM strikes to be a time of day kind of gamble for pugging. a little reading test also helps. "Ping your pants" is a common test. If you dont read that you're probably not going to read the fight explanation.
@GKCanman I was once kicked as soon as I joined a pug that said "state your fav book on join". I didn't even say I was a dps cause he was looking for dps and I joined as a reaper. I thought the book thing was some kind of joke I didn't get. That doesn't mean I don't read. In these situations I just realize that the gw2 community has some jerks too
2:20 I wonder how your Harbinger got to 26,112 health in almost full Viper gear. it seems only your scepter isn't Viper as your overall toughness stays at 1,040. when I am in full Viper gear following your build, my Harbinger stops at 24,582 health without buff food. that's quite squishy considering what _Blight_ does to us. using Trailblazer gear might have unintended consequences in some raids or instances if the boss targets the one with the most toughness.
what did I do wrong when there are 1,530 health missing? 🤔
should try heal harb
My power harbinger has 25.572 HP.... compared to your 25.712 for the condi one... Your jade bot is equipped, right?
Remember the ritualist's scepter he had on, that should be the difference.
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I see the Russian jokes didn't make it to the final cut and were replaced by a witcher thumdnail. XD
My 2nd fav qdps after chrono. I like herald but it's boring ngl