If you used a Miracle Ebonyal with Hellish Power, a Blue Star Robe with Anti-Attack Veil and an Energianica with Gracious Melody, you can end up with Devil's Pact L instead of S and Four-Colour Feather XL instead of S and Presto (5 stars) instead of Adagio (2 stars) instead.
I didn't know the abilities on the items actually affects the outcome when reinforcing. This is really helpful, and now I gotta remake every single weapon I've made so far. Thanks!
@@siden87 Ah yes my bad. Generally you want the highest tier effect on the item you want to pass the EV trait. Same goes when you want to add EV traits to your core items.
So, from some poking around, the Devil's Pact L can actually be made even better. EV-Link the Miracle Ebonyal with a Witch's Potion to get a Lunatic Debyonal. Fill out the new Effect 1 nodes on this to upgrade the effect to Hellish Contract. This will get your weapon Devil's Covenant, the 5 star version of Devil's Pact.
Small tip for anyone looking here: There's a quick alchemy loop you can do in early-mid game if you wanna start leveling up traits where you can make a Red Neutralizer to use to make Zettel, which you can use to make for another Red Neutralizer & so on until you maxed the traits you want out. Later when you have more materials to work with you can add effects to em like "Add (Gunpowder)" if you want to start moving em to other material items you couldn't before
All of the Neutralizers are so nice to loop on themselves for super early max quality in this one, but Red really takes the cake. The fact that you can add Fuel and Gunpowder categories to it, which are what the majority of its own material loops are...I'll admit I straight up giggled at the potential as soon as I saw it.
little note for the denis reinforcement, you can get better effect in the form of presto, four color feather XL and devil convenant (same effect that you use but better) , to get those effect you need a max out effect 1 on each of the following item : blue star robe (obtain by fusing mystic robe and energianica) , energianica that have peaceful melody , and lunatic deboyal (obtain by fusing miracle ebonyal and a witch potion)
yea im aware of that now, although i also no longer use four color feather, i instead use (i think its called) Ancient cultivation? its from the ancient bug and increases all items
On the Mystical Wonder step, instead of just using "whatever" with effect spread (in the video, he uses a Crystal Element), If you use a Ancient Philo with Effect Spread +4 and Add Lightning, you can squeeze out a few extra attack by hitting the ATK node on the far right side of the grid
The tier of the Effect you get from Reinforcing is most likely tied to how good the item is that you use as fodder. In the video he uses an A rank Energianica, and it gives the base form of the effect (Adagio). If you use a better version, probably with more effects and S rank, you can get upwards of the 4th tier of the effect (Presto) Also for anyone wondering about the 1st item he uses to reinforce, it's called the Blue Star Robe and is made from EV-Linking the Mystic Robe and Energianica. Also for the 3rd item used, he uses a Miracle Ebonyal, but you can get a higher tier effect from using a Lunatic Debonyal, which is made from EV-Linking a Miracle Ebonyal and Witch's Potion
Thank you for the guides Primal ^^, I loved the fact even originally tough mobs are turning around and trying to run away XD Its super cute and funny. Like the Horned Demon, its slowly skittering away while you walk towards it XD
So in the tier 5 part, you actually don’t need to use the ancient philosopher stone for the spread. Instead of doing that, just use the fire and wind essences on the nodes to unlock their next level abilities even though they are still locked, then dump as many Orgen ingots as you can into the bottom node. During the rebuild, you can drop the ancient philosopher stone onto that node for the spread, then drop some more ingots to fully unlock those abilities. End result: the weapon After the item rebuild is slightly higher item level, but the stats will be 231-559-248-366 as opposed to yours which was 224-543-240-354. Also, unless the game was patched, you can get better effects from Dennis. My Blue Star Robe was also rank S and 999 quality like yours, but I built it so it had 4CC instead of your 7CC, and I had the skills Perpetual Machine-Rapid++ 30-Area Bonus++ 20 on. As a result, it gave me the skill Four Color Feather at XL instead of S. My Energianca was built for 2CC at rank S and 999 quality, with the same skills as my Blue Star Robe. It gave me the skill Presto, which is the max level version of Adagio. Finally, my Miracle Ebonyal was 1CC, rank S, 999 quality, same skills,and it gave me the skill Devil’s Pact L instead of your lower version.
Small nitpick: You didn't mention that in order to use an ES Spirinite where you do, you also have to add the Wind element to it, which requires essence (otherwise, the other element unlocked will be Ice, not useful in that particular loop). Small thing, but might save someone else the time of having to go back and re-craft their Spirinite like I did. Otherwise, excellent video as always.
If we are being nitpicking anyway. He also didn't need to rebuild the weapon to unlock trait slots, all the trait slots were already unlocked in the previous iterations by one of the many used effect spread items.
Keep these coming Primal, hope these grow your channel to your next milestone. Can we have a video of how to get these end game traits and effects on the items we want?
If you do not like pedanticism, ignore me, This is literally me writing several paragraphs on how to achieve the same exact thin in different ways or gain miniscule stat bonuses (one of which, at least, you talked about yourself after I wrote it anyway). Hmm, on Inversion, If you use ingots instead of the spirinite, since you can use GRand Orgen on the ingot slot, you will get more stats from using a Criminea instead of the spirinite. Then at the jewel slot, yes, Eldrocode+Criminea is as far as I can see better. Then There is one more option which is using an ES Samasten ingot in the (ingot slot), skipping over the jewel slot, then adding a Criminea in the Criminea slot. It's less overall stats but it if the stats on a Samasten for some reason suit your fancy a bit more than the stats on an eldrocode, that's something to consider. If you want to maximise attack, I think Effect spread on the jewel slot is the best option since Eldrocode only gives 6 attack, while it opens up an extra quantity at the end for a Grand Orgen that gives you 14, subtract the 4 attack you would have gotten from a Criminea it's an overall increase of 4 Attack. On the Mystical wonder one, if you for some reason want to save a few thousand gems (lol) Since the slot after the one you used the crystal element on is (ingot) you can just put whatever in the (magical) slot and but a grand orgen in the (ingot) slot, like, stat wise, it makes zero difference, but I thought I'd mention it since I'm already being a pedant anyway. On the Azure Tear, There are two different way of doing the exact same thing (don't judge me, I'm having fun) Because if you do put a spirinite into the first Spirinite slot, and then you put an ES Samasten into the (ingot) slot, you also get to the next tier with 1 samasten and 1 regular item. Like, yeah, it's exactly the same thing. Okay, It honestly seems like you didn't notice this, but that last trait slot you missed, you didn't need it. you unlocked all three trait slots probably by the time you passed the second weapon.
9:06 all traits are activated due to fulfilling a trait slot in an earlier loop with philosopher's stone. There is no need to waste item rebuilding for that slot when it nets you nothing
I'm curious as to why you didn't go Supercooling, Remnant of Eternity, Diaelectric or Mana Heat? These 4 Traits should be spread out to the party and replace the Skill Charge+. Inflicting Debuff are quite good tbh, Diaelectric inflicts double stun damage, Super Cooling increases Physical Damage, Remnant of Eternity increases magical damage and Mana Heat turns your attack to fire base and once the debuff applies to lvl 3 even fire resistant enemies become vulnerable/weak to fire damage.
i have been wondering, when you go to add the essence why don't you add them while they are locked? that way you could save an item or two for a bit more stats.
Hey, Primal! First and foremost, thank you for making these guides. As a newcomer to Atelier series, this has been extremely helpful. On that note, I have a question. When I’m done crafting the gear and I head to Dennis’ workshop to reinforce gear, it seems like I only have 1 slot available, while 2 are locked. Can you explain what unlocks those two slots?
What seed did you guys use to get the traits for the weapon? I barely got any materials that have skill charge ++ and attack charge ++ that I can use for Grand Orgen.
You mentioned doing the starter staff for item builds. How does that work, since you don't get to make extra additions from modifying the recipe? Is the stats bonus just way less?
@@Primalliquid92 Thanks! Also, I was wondering if you could tell me if something other than the item itself matters for both reinforcing and evolution bonuses?
this different than ryza 1 guide where you just dump all your strongest ingots (goldoterion in that game) at the first material loop of the final weapon and unlock other material loop in rebuild item, could you explain?
Don't you think the effect of her 2nd weapon (increase stat at start of battle + chance to lower one enemy random stat) is better than Radiance XL which is mostly for items?
i am so lost with this game. i completed it but not the last sentinel and i have no where near items maxed like yours to make weapons like this. is there a guide for maxing items, equipment quickly
Shoul I... build this? I mean, I want the final boss to be challenging, but I have a feeling with this weapon it won't be that challening... maybe? Haven't finished the video yet tho
I’ve been wondering for a while I’m still early game so I can’t tell how the ancient philosopher stone with only three elements better than then the normal one that has all elements
If you used a Miracle Ebonyal with Hellish Power, a Blue Star Robe with Anti-Attack Veil and an Energianica with Gracious Melody, you can end up with Devil's Pact L instead of S and Four-Colour Feather XL instead of S and Presto (5 stars) instead of Adagio (2 stars) instead.
I didn't know the abilities on the items actually affects the outcome when reinforcing. This is really helpful, and now I gotta remake every single weapon I've made so far. Thanks!
I think you meant Energianica with Peaceful Melody, the highest tier effect.
Anyway thanks for this info, made my weapons so much more powerful!
@@siden87 Ah yes my bad. Generally you want the highest tier effect on the item you want to pass the EV trait. Same goes when you want to add EV traits to your core items.
So, from some poking around, the Devil's Pact L can actually be made even better. EV-Link the Miracle Ebonyal with a Witch's Potion to get a Lunatic Debyonal. Fill out the new Effect 1 nodes on this to upgrade the effect to Hellish Contract. This will get your weapon Devil's Covenant, the 5 star version of Devil's Pact.
@@YaminoKaze Now I need to remake my weapons XD
Having not played this game, this tutorial sounds like literal ancient alchemy and witchcraft
It still is if you play the game
Small tip for anyone looking here: There's a quick alchemy loop you can do in early-mid game if you wanna start leveling up traits where you can make a Red Neutralizer to use to make Zettel, which you can use to make for another Red Neutralizer & so on until you maxed the traits you want out.
Later when you have more materials to work with you can add effects to em like "Add (Gunpowder)" if you want to start moving em to other material items you couldn't before
you can actually go Neutralizer > Zettel > Travelers Water Orb > Neutralizer aswell to get more items in
All of the Neutralizers are so nice to loop on themselves for super early max quality in this one, but Red really takes the cake. The fact that you can add Fuel and Gunpowder categories to it, which are what the majority of its own material loops are...I'll admit I straight up giggled at the potential as soon as I saw it.
little note for the denis reinforcement, you can get better effect in the form of presto, four color feather XL and devil convenant (same effect that you use but better) , to get those effect you need a max out effect 1 on each of the following item : blue star robe (obtain by fusing mystic robe and energianica) , energianica that have peaceful melody , and lunatic deboyal (obtain by fusing miracle ebonyal and a witch potion)
yea im aware of that now, although i also no longer use four color feather, i instead use (i think its called) Ancient cultivation? its from the ancient bug and increases all items
@@Primalliquid92 i see, wish i knew that before i just made my weap with feather XL lmao, is it a huge difference in damage compare to feather XL?
On the Mystical Wonder step, instead of just using "whatever" with effect spread (in the video, he uses a Crystal Element), If you use a Ancient Philo with Effect Spread +4 and Add Lightning, you can squeeze out a few extra attack by hitting the ATK node on the far right side of the grid
The tier of the Effect you get from Reinforcing is most likely tied to how good the item is that you use as fodder. In the video he uses an A rank Energianica, and it gives the base form of the effect (Adagio). If you use a better version, probably with more effects and S rank, you can get upwards of the 4th tier of the effect (Presto)
Also for anyone wondering about the 1st item he uses to reinforce, it's called the Blue Star Robe and is made from EV-Linking the Mystic Robe and Energianica.
Also for the 3rd item used, he uses a Miracle Ebonyal, but you can get a higher tier effect from using a Lunatic Debonyal, which is made from EV-Linking a Miracle Ebonyal and Witch's Potion
Thank you for the guides Primal ^^, I loved the fact even originally tough mobs are turning around and trying to run away XD Its super cute and funny. Like the Horned Demon, its slowly skittering away while you walk towards it XD
Glad you enjoyed!
So in the tier 5 part, you actually don’t need to use the ancient philosopher stone for the spread. Instead of doing that, just use the fire and wind essences on the nodes to unlock their next level abilities even though they are still locked, then dump as many Orgen ingots as you can into the bottom node. During the rebuild, you can drop the ancient philosopher stone onto that node for the spread, then drop some more ingots to fully unlock those abilities. End result: the weapon After the item rebuild is slightly higher item level, but the stats will be 231-559-248-366 as opposed to yours which was 224-543-240-354.
Also, unless the game was patched, you can get better effects from Dennis. My Blue Star Robe was also rank S and 999 quality like yours, but I built it so it had 4CC instead of your 7CC, and I had the skills Perpetual Machine-Rapid++ 30-Area Bonus++ 20 on. As a result, it gave me the skill Four Color Feather at XL instead of S.
My Energianca was built for 2CC at rank S and 999 quality, with the same skills as my Blue Star Robe. It gave me the skill Presto, which is the max level version of Adagio.
Finally, my Miracle Ebonyal was 1CC, rank S, 999 quality, same skills,and it gave me the skill Devil’s Pact L instead of your lower version.
Small nitpick: You didn't mention that in order to use an ES Spirinite where you do, you also have to add the Wind element to it, which requires essence (otherwise, the other element unlocked will be Ice, not useful in that particular loop). Small thing, but might save someone else the time of having to go back and re-craft their Spirinite like I did. Otherwise, excellent video as always.
If we are being nitpicking anyway. He also didn't need to rebuild the weapon to unlock trait slots, all the trait slots were already unlocked in the previous iterations by one of the many used effect spread items.
Keep these coming Primal, hope these grow your channel to your next milestone.
Can we have a video of how to get these end game traits and effects on the items we want?
I see that +3 defense on those ingots. perfect stats my behind, you are down 1 def there already! :D
That was a really great and informative video, thanks :)
If you use a criminaia and then use a philosophers stone with spread 4 + add wind to go straight to Azure tear
When you have so many item you finally give up finding the one you were looking for 😂
If you do not like pedanticism, ignore me, This is literally me writing several paragraphs on how to achieve the same exact thin in different ways or gain miniscule stat bonuses (one of which, at least, you talked about yourself after I wrote it anyway).
Hmm, on Inversion, If you use ingots instead of the spirinite, since you can use GRand Orgen on the ingot slot, you will get more stats from using a Criminea instead of the spirinite. Then at the jewel slot, yes, Eldrocode+Criminea is as far as I can see better. Then There is one more option which is using an ES Samasten ingot in the (ingot slot), skipping over the jewel slot, then adding a Criminea in the Criminea slot. It's less overall stats but it if the stats on a Samasten for some reason suit your fancy a bit more than the stats on an eldrocode, that's something to consider.
If you want to maximise attack, I think Effect spread on the jewel slot is the best option since Eldrocode only gives 6 attack, while it opens up an extra quantity at the end for a Grand Orgen that gives you 14, subtract the 4 attack you would have gotten from a Criminea it's an overall increase of 4 Attack.
On the Mystical wonder one, if you for some reason want to save a few thousand gems (lol) Since the slot after the one you used the crystal element on is (ingot) you can just put whatever in the (magical) slot and but a grand orgen in the (ingot) slot, like, stat wise, it makes zero difference, but I thought I'd mention it since I'm already being a pedant anyway.
On the Azure Tear, There are two different way of doing the exact same thing (don't judge me, I'm having fun) Because if you do put a spirinite into the first Spirinite slot, and then you put an ES Samasten into the (ingot) slot, you also get to the next tier with 1 samasten and 1 regular item. Like, yeah, it's exactly the same thing.
Okay, It honestly seems like you didn't notice this, but that last trait slot you missed, you didn't need it. you unlocked all three trait slots probably by the time you passed the second weapon.
9:06 all traits are activated due to fulfilling a trait slot in an earlier loop with philosopher's stone. There is no need to waste item rebuilding for that slot when it nets you nothing
I'm curious as to why you didn't go Supercooling, Remnant of Eternity, Diaelectric or Mana Heat? These 4 Traits should be spread out to the party and replace the Skill Charge+. Inflicting Debuff are quite good tbh, Diaelectric inflicts double stun damage, Super Cooling increases Physical Damage, Remnant of Eternity increases magical damage and Mana Heat turns your attack to fire base and once the debuff applies to lvl 3 even fire resistant enemies become vulnerable/weak to fire damage.
instead of devils pact s, i used GIANT CLAW and it has a higher star rating for critical damage. just an fyi for everyone :)
Why do you want to use the S effects and not the L or XL effects during forging?
i have been wondering, when you go to add the essence why don't you add them while they are locked? that way you could save an item or two for a bit more stats.
Hey, Primal! First and foremost, thank you for making these guides. As a newcomer to Atelier series, this has been extremely helpful.
On that note, I have a question. When I’m done crafting the gear and I head to Dennis’ workshop to reinforce gear, it seems like I only have 1 slot available, while 2 are locked. Can you explain what unlocks those two slots?
Just incase someone sees this and wonders. Just finish Denis's storyline.
this is so awesome
What seed did you guys use to get the traits for the weapon? I barely got any materials that have skill charge ++ and attack charge ++ that I can use for Grand Orgen.
You mentioned doing the starter staff for item builds. How does that work, since you don't get to make extra additions from modifying the recipe? Is the stats bonus just way less?
the stats are way lower but it has the effect which boosts items. items dont gain anything from stats and none of her other staffs boost items
@@Primalliquid92 so the trade off ends up being worth it in the end I guess? I see, thanks.
for a FULL blown item build yes, but such a build is simply overkill
@@Primalliquid92 Thanks! Also, I was wondering if you could tell me if something other than the item itself matters for both reinforcing and evolution bonuses?
this different than ryza 1 guide where you just dump all your strongest ingots (goldoterion in that game) at the first material loop of the final weapon and unlock other material loop in rebuild item, could you explain?
Don't you think the effect of her 2nd weapon (increase stat at start of battle + chance to lower one enemy random stat) is better than Radiance XL which is mostly for items?
No, because items are truly king in atelier, alchemists should never go the route of boosting stats over item power, only other characters should
tnx, ill do that, since it's harder to carry the effect anyway without overwriting it
why not use skill charge++, skill charge+ & super skill instead for max skill dmg?
i am so lost with this game. i completed it but not the last sentinel and i have no where near items maxed like yours to make weapons like this. is there a guide for maxing items, equipment quickly
Can you play without maxing everything? I’m getting confused lol
you can but you'll struggle in postgame
Shoul I... build this? I mean, I want the final boss to be challenging, but I have a feeling with this weapon it won't be that challening... maybe? Haven't finished the video yet tho
Definitely needed for DLC
your brain is too big kind sir, here im still stuck with base weapon because im not sure how to make new one, thanks for the guide
i followed what you did but instead got devils pact m and andante(3*s) somehow
anyways thanks
What are the traits for the item weapon?
how to quantity point always stay?
do i need rank up the gathering quality on the skill tree to get high quality items
its a small increase, but the biggest will come from unlocked the higher quality tiers
how did you get the blue star robe my guy
I found it!! It's Mystic Robe evolution linked with Energianica. Took me a while to figure out what needed to combine with what to make it.
which item that leads to the miracle ebonyal recipe?
Honey > Eltz Sugar > War Powder > Miracle Ebonyal
I’ve been wondering for a while I’m still early game so I can’t tell how the ancient philosopher stone with only three elements better than then the normal one that has all elements
Normal one doesnt have all elements. They each start with 2 with an option to add 1 of the other 2
@@Primalliquid92 but during Sysinthis it looks like the philosopher stone has four did i see things wrong?
must have done, its impossible to get all 4 elements on them
@@Primalliquid92 I must me used to Ryza one so much my eyes are playing tricks on me
i just started two days ago how do you get high quality items
Trump card!