Where ever a wiring harness is streamlined in production... where ever an actuator is made standard and activated remotely... WHERE EVER there is 12v and wiring... I will be there, not paying a subscription.
And can anyone discuss the intrusive amounts of data collected by these shitboxes that are sold to insurance companies. Things like our microphone data, gps data, even hard braking and acceleration events. It's already a thing now, if you do lots of hard brakes then your insurance premiums go up. Wake up everyone, we are in a black mirror episode and we need to fight back against this shit
Sounds like you sell/install aftermarket RS/Security systems? I used to do this for years before I started working on PC's. We started getting Ford owners pouring in because they wanted a RS installed since Ford was going to charge them to unlock all RS features. I believe Firsttech and Directtech have options for Mazda as well. (Could be wrong, I have been out of the game a few months) It would still require purchasing an aftermarket RS system though but it either gives you the features you want/need or unlocks features like in the case with Ford vehicles.
It's the crack of a new generation, pretty sad. smh I got a new 2024 Hyundai Elantra, and I'm pleasantly surprised that it's one of the least "connected" cars out there. Oh, and t comes with a spare tire in the truck which as been disappearing on most other cars. heh
By now "How you are getting F*ed" should be a full series, with intro and everything. It is insane how many companies decide to just give no shit about their customers and treat them like garbage.
I find it very hard to believe this isn't on purpose as well and agreed upon by the leaders in each industry. Because there's no competition not doing this garbage. All these companies are doing these changes at the same time. We really do need a startup who "built their own car industry". We need vehicles that are just vehicles, not computers that spy on you and have "services" locked behind paywalls.
Louis Rossmann does an exceptional job exposing shady business practices. I’m glad he addressed this issue. Mazda is putting out quality vehicles at reasonable prices, but it’s disappointing to see them tarnish that reputation by turning standard features into subscription services. Shame on Mazda and any company that forces unnecessary subscriptions onto consumers.
I'd suspect that the reason they're putting out reasonable vehicles is because they expect the subscription service to make up for any losses that are incurred from the production of decent hardware. Companies have to make more money off the car through repairs or subscriptions, because just a simple car loan or lease isn't going to please shareholders :p
Government WANTS this kind of thing. They’re not gonna stop it. It’s gonna get even more invasive. This is just the beginning to the government’s ability to track and even disable your car - for “security”.
On the contrary, thanks to the infrastructure bill, it will be the opposite in the future. This legislation mandates that all vehicles must have some sort of safety interlock system that's able to detect whether or not a driver is impaired using image recognition, software and cameras. In addition, the government wishes to track vehicle operators mileage. In order to do so, there must be some sort of telemetry devices that phone home for the purpose of usage fees. You can thank President, Biden and the Congress for taking away even more of your privacy.
@@Anonymous______________ Well if nothing else the people of this nation have repeatedly demonstrated their ability to get loud, angry (and often very stupid) at pretty much anything. Who's up for a little flag-waving?
We figured out how to get past the BMW heated seat thing. Power to a relay. Check engine light comes on. Clear OBD2 codes. Comes back. Your seats still work.
@@scimbrelo To be on or off? I'm confused. Your check engine light can illuminate due to something as simple as a bad gas cap. I've drove cars for years with the check engine light on, typically it's an O2 sensor. You might get 0.5mpg less, but it's not the end of the world.
Need to mirror that open source app in like 100,000 different locations. Share it openly. I will not ever subscribe to jack shit. I will pirate everything instead.
if dropshipping companies are allowed to copy-paste themselves across multiple "brands" to get away from accountability when their product kills your pet, I don't see anything unethical about copy-pasting application code across hundreds of "programs" to circumvent frivolous dmca strikes
Encryption for each device means each device has to be individually cracked for the specific hardware it is running upon. So no more single cracks that works for everyone. Phone home encryption will also recheck the software AND hardware for tampering and brick it by burning out a link. Only the factory can replace burned out links because it is embedded inside the chip (such things have long existed).
It doesn't mean crap in the EU thankfully. Facebook and Google lose a lot of money yearly for just the EU fines and that's discounting the national courts fining them to hell.
It depends on what the open source is doing. I hope that the connection to the car is at least somewhat encrypted. And if so, the open source apps would essentially be hacking into the car. And if this is true, then this is not an attack on open source. Although I think it is scummy as it costs the manufacturer nothing as people who would go open source would not spend money on their app anyway.
@@adamhero459 You have a legal right to hack into your own car and others have a legal right to help you hack into your own car. You can't leverage the DMCA to protect against anything but IP infringement. See Chamberlain Group v. Skylink Technologies.
Car thieves already figured this out. They can walk up to your car, hack it, open your door and then remote start it. Then they just hop in and drive away.
Only that’s a different system they’re hacking into. Keyless entry. Slightly different to remote start up function being disabled by a subscription service. Semantics to the side, I can’t wait for piracy to come back and bite these thieving corporate bastards. I still wish there was an easy way to disable keyless entry without the use of a Faraday cage to cut the signal off.
They're just copying the rf frequency or using a large antenna to make your car think your fob is nearby. It's kind of funny that modern cars have this dumb of a security flaw but when you consider all the dumb security flaws in the internet, you can't be too surprised
same, I love my 2017 shitbox fiesta because even 20 years after designing yours it's still such a plebian vehicle they never even bothered to put anything "smart" into it.
I've got a 1979 Subaru. It doesn't even have an ECU. It has a carburetor and a distributor. It gets 50 mpg on the highway and I just drove it two 500 mile trips back to back with no issues. I've put over 200,000 miles on it since I rebuilt the engine. I will never buy a car made after 1990 let alone the new ones. The cars from the 70s and 80s are too good. What car can I buy now that I can carry all the tools to fix it in the cargo area? Nothing. I can get in my Subaru and drive thousands of miles whenever I want with no issues and I have done for years. I just say no thanks to any of this crap, I'll buy a real car.
@@VladimirDT That's like tryina get my apparently but not really constantly caffeinated young cousin to watch a hickok45 video, 10 seconds in and he's already reaching for that speedup button cause he's getting sleepy from hearing the old man talk slow, even though there is the promise of bullets flying later.
@@VladimirDT If a video is mainly dialogue (or monologue) and people talk slowly (or you can process conversation at a much higher speed) playing the video at 1.5-2x lets you get the same content in half the time. Different story with athletics, racing, nature, etc.
My wife is ready for a new car, but I'm not. Thanks to your videos, I told her i didn't want a car that connects to the internet. She agrees. I hope they still make cars like that.
Theoretically the new Mazda Outlander PHEV lowest model has no connection to anything and is a solid car with driving assist. You have to actually go into the shop to update the software, which is promising. Its also a low price high value vehicle. I say theoretically because MAYBE theres a sim card in there somewhere, but if it is, its not doing anything for you anywhere in that car. Theres a website that tells you how to take the sim cards out of your car. Alternatively, if you remove the digital antenna from your car you lose radio but they also lose telemetry. At least on some low model vehicles, they dont all work the same.
How does the DMCA apply to a physical object, like a car? An object that, in all other aspects, you are free to modify in literally any way you want to, in most cases with commercially available aftermarket parts. This seems like something a motivated and competent lawyer could easily win.
No it is DMCA applies to the Standard. This has been true 'forever'. Corporations have just got better at conning people. It is the problem of regulatory capture!
Even moderate, competent lawyers cost a lot tho. This is also assuming you get a good, not corrupt judge. Personally, i would go for it, but i understand not wanting the stress and risk/reward
Actually there's a significant issue with design patents on car parts, where companies can't make replacement headlight assemblies which look the same as the original. Plus there's trademark protection on the logos and iconic features (like front grilles), and copyright on the design of the car. The DMCA thing is probably because it's a "circumvention tool" for "DRM" protecting copyrighted software.
@@reddragonflyxx657 funny story. Coworker recently had an accident. Not too much damage but headlight fucked. Apparently they couldn't just pop in a new one but whole assemble... and yeah not only none they could find in stock but couldn't just make a new one. Took something like 3 months just to get a replacement headllight
I still have that function, it is called a grandson. "Charlie, can you please open the car and start the engine?". Although I will have to be careful he doesn't just drive off one day and leave me there.
Home Assistant is great. Just installed it last week to control lighting, heating and ventilation in my workshop. All local. No need to worry if/when someone will screw you over.
Home Assistant is great. But it is for homes where there is wifi. Louis is mostly wrong about this one, the car has a cellular modem because it is mobile so a aubscription is required to pay for that at least. Cellular service has monthly fees.
@@Me__Myself__and__I he's not talking about connecting Mazda to Home Assistant directly (as far as I understood), but like an example of choosing your own infrastructure, instead of being tied to manufacturer's.
@@Me__Myself__and__Ithere is no reason car manufacturers do not give us a choice. I should be able to put my own sim card in my car. I have a free SIM card I could use, I got it free with my phone contract. Or I should be able to use WiFi to connect my car to my home and use that. But it's just that most car manufacturers are really really far behind when it comes to technology like this. They are in the 90s...
@@Me__Myself__and__I True but this should be a free service. People are already paying 30ish thousand for a car, they shouldn't be nickle and dimed for a feature afterwards. And idk about other car companies but on my Mazda you can't remote start from he fob, only the app. So they knew they were going to do this and decided specifically to not put it on the fob so they can completely lock the feature away.
@@SpartanArmy117 Its not really about remote start. Modern vehicles use an Internet connection for a lot of useful services. That requires a cellular modem and that requires a subscription because cellular companies expect to get paid. Now since the car company is already building in-car services that use the cellular modem and an app it makes sense to put all of the ways you can remotely co trol your car in the app instead of also building out a more expensive fob communucation system that would provide less range and reliability. It is what it is and THIS is never going to change for any auto company going forward because it makes no sense to go backward, Even if some people don't like it. A car isn't some device you plunk down in your house and connect up to wifi. Louis was comparing apples to oranges. Like I said, you can argue about the price. But the fact that cars have cellular modems and as a result will require a subscription is a done deal. You can choose not to pay of course, but then those services won't work because they need a cellular internet connection.
They made a big statement about not putting in giant, distracting touchscreens on their dashboards so the driver can stay focused. I thought they were the good guys..
This needs to be a class action lawsuit, seems like bait and switch. At the same time we need regulations to stop this kind of behavior. Personally I'll rip out the cars ECU and replace it with a custom one before I pay a subscription for hardware I own.
@@I_am_a_human_not_a_commodityI bottom-ozed a couple years ago, and there are disclaimers all over the thing that it ends in three years, so I don't think that's going very far.
Look im just a dumb kid from the 90s pretending to be an Adult but why the fek do i want to control my air conditioner from anywhere in world ? Why do i want a fekin app to start my car ? Modern ''convenience'' is solving problems i dont fekin have and charging my a sub for the privilege . Utter madness . Good on you Louis for putting this out there and exposing the bullshit .
So when you’re coming home, you can turn on your AC ahead of time so your house is already cooled down, after letting it heat up when you weren’t there. The app is dumb though. Simple remote on the keychain with a button to do that works just fine
When are we going to get a full tutorial on how to set up home assistant? Start to finish, vpn tutorial, etc... Would absolutely love that and would definitely implement in my own life.
Louis just want to make sure that you know that theres million(s) of people that look to you for a lot in this dystopian world. I personally have really lost a lot of hope for my 13yo daughter to grow up with out knowing what ownership is. I try my best to "BUY" physical copies of the things she likes and make sure she knows that if she's clicking buttons on a Roku remote to open Netflix,amazon,etc.....that they own "it" and can delete any movie or sereries they want to whenever......long story short....appreciate all your videos and hard work. P.S. thanks for coming to Texas. hope youre enjoying it. hopefully one day I have a reason to come to the shop and show my daughter a little piece of the greener side with right to repair.
@pabllosee I have a couple cars from that era with plenty of miles. They're great, the AC works, my heated seats even work! 😂 Edit because I forgot to answer the original question. Neither consume oil. They occasionally develop a leak but generally it's easily fixed and I move on.
That just means fresh oil supply brother! Row Ted! Hehe, I need to fix my vent vale causing my 11 Rio a lean cylinder one. Probably valve seats too, oil on the plugs, but that just means premix, and I feel like a 2 stroker with some white smoke ya know! Brap brap @@pabllosee
This has to be an American Mazda thing. I recently had an engine replacement on my RX-8 and just got it back a week ago. After the engine was installed by a certified mechanic, the car had to go to the nearest Mazda dealer to certify the installation was done correctly, connect the car to their computers and finally give me the warranty on the core. I told Mazda upfront I modified their OEM ECU to trigger the fans on a lower coolant temperature to prolong engine life and increased idle for better oil pressure. They were 100% okay with it. Not only I drive my car happily again, I get a 2 year / 20.000 KM warranty on the engine core for a 2005 car. Mazda in Europe and Japan are MVPs.
What you're talking has nothing to do with what's being discussed in this video. An RX-8 (thankfully) doesn't have the modules and software in it that allow to connect to the internet. I had a series 2 RX-8 (2010) for a while. They get a bad rap, rightfully so sometimes, but I think they look cool and are really fun to drive.
As I've claimed before: "Technology is mans ability, to complicate simplicity" You go Louis, spread the truth, keep on exposing this behaviour. I pray enough peoples eyes are opened, to revolt against corporate tyranny world wide. What people seems to forget is, they only achieve sales, because there is demand. Take the demand away and see what happens. Refuse the bow before their unethical, greedy demands and see how long these companies stay open/profitable.
@@enemyspotted2467I lived in central Alberta with -40 to -60 winters. One, I wouldn’t have a Mazda there, but also I didnt mind turning the key and then scraping Windows
Something that doesn't even need the server access for the features people really want. The health portion is something few people care about, but the remote start/key access is important and only needs to connect to the car, not some remote server.
People laughs at me because my brand new Mitsuhishi Outlander Sport has keys, none of that infotainment stuff and buttons everywhere, and the maximum it has is Bluetooth to connect to my phone. A time tested engine and a stick instead of buttons.
I can't afford to change my 2010 Avensis yet (because Nigeria) but this is the kind of vehicle i look forward to. I drove a relatively modern honda few months ago and I hated it. We sacrifice too much practically useful things for theoretically advanced shining crap today. We've become bloody lazy. Why do you need an app for your fridge again? Oh, that's right... Technology!
They laugh at you because Mitsubishi is terrible haha, but seriously yeah that's nice. Although I can't deny I wouldn't want to go back to Bluetooth after using android auto.
@@SpartanArmy117 honestly Mitsubishi is just another dull brand that do dull cars and that’s it I don’t need to have a glorified iPad as a infotainment Yeah, CarPlay/Android Auto are cool, but that’s pretty much it
+1. Same with too many "smart" features. Data logging, etc. I have my phone for all my "smart" needs. My car needs to be mechanically connected to the wheels with minimal computers and sensors between
That's the catch. Soon all of them will do this. And everything else scummy they can think of. And then eventually we end up without a choice. That's their endgame here.
A VCR that cost $49 in 2001 now sells for $150 used. Old tech goes up in value as the desire for it goes up in the niche community. I see a time when computer-controlled, non-internet cars start going up in resale value for this exact reason. Look - I don't want to go back to carburetors, but there were 20 years after carburetors where the cars were damn near perfect. They might start squeaking, and the tires, struts, alternator, etc. start to give trouble every couple years. But you don't break down on the side of the road without a warning like you did before computer-controlled cars. I love my Ford Fiesta that is not internet connected. Not much tech. No remote start except for aftermarket. What I own is MINE. And I run Linux on all my computers.
EFI and computer controlled ignition systems are more likely to randomly shut down without a warning. The only way a quality well put together carburator, points and condenser system will fail, is if you're neglecting the maintenance and service intervals. Even then they don't just stop working without a warning. The warning just doesn't come in the form of a check engine light. That being said I do agree that for most people an 90's EFI system is the best choice for daily driving because of how little maintenance they require and for the better fuel economy in city driving.
To me, the second gold age for cars past the stuff from the 1960's is 1995 to 2005. Enough stuff designed in a way to be reliable and made at a point were it was finally figured out, but not over-designed to the point of getting in the way or otherwise being an anti-feature. Cars added "the suck" when those unnecessary plastic engine covers started being added.
Imagine if a car manufacturer came along and did everything for the people. Minimal electronics, lots of customizability, etc. People would probably flock to it and it would flourish. But instead we have this and guys like Elmo.
Doing this now would be premature and void years of potential guaranteed profit. They can milk the customers with shady stuff for years. Maybe in 50 years what you're saying will be the best business strategy.
The problem is it's only a small percentage of the population that wants simplicity. Most people like shiny gimmicks, and companies love being able to mark stuff up to 100 thousand for the added "features"
A HUGE reason for a lot of the electronic junk in cars is CAFE standards, which force manufacturers to squeeze every last mpg out of a car. This makes it impossible for anyone to manufacture a simple to repair, basic car like the old pre 80's VW Beetles and Buses. Big daddy government helped to create this monster. Now the car companies are taking advantage of the computers they had to put into cars in order to meet CAFE standards to screw the customers with SaaS(software as a service) agreements. So now the customers are in the position of having to get on their knees to big daddy government and ask them to put some controls on the monster they helped to create in the first place.
A car that is better designed, and thinks of the car owner rather than the car manufacturer? Tucker tried that in the 50's, and the carmakers made sure to shut that down. DMCA and protectionist legislation has made it even easier for the entrenched companies.
The real issue isn't the requirement to pay for cellular services. That is only fair. The real problem is that they stopped offering keyfob-based remote start. Sure, you can install a third-party one, but how hard would it have been to keep offering an OEM version?
Nissan also charges for remote start. Had it for 3 months and then the "trial" ended and it became a subscription. Idk how much it is because I never even considered paying for that. But yeah, everything in new cars is going this way.
As an ancap/libertarian let me clarify. Copyright DMCA, and other lP (imaginary property) laws are not part of a free market, they are a government created infringement on the free market.
I ignore fake laws and do what I want with my property. What's that? The DPF clogged? Delete the truck and never fear again! Better mileage, more power, no garbage onboard. Don't like it, you can pay the $15,000+ to replace parts I don't need that only hurt the machine.
They will learn like other OEM, You must offer both a cry a little each month fee or buy once cry once feature that is active for the duration of the original purchaser possession of the vehicle.
I sympathise with this alot. I'm in Europe (Netherlands) and I have 5 year private lease contract for my Electric VW car. One of the great features (especialy in winter time) is that i can go on the phone app for my car and remotely tell it to warm the interior and (if there is snow or ice) i can tell it to heat the windows to melt the ice in advance. However, 3 years into the contract, it tells me my subscription term of this usage has expired and i had to spend a little under 200 euro's to keep using this feature for the remaining 2 years. So i get there is a certain cost to provide a connection to my car and use this kind of feature remotely. HOWEVER, this is by no means made clear up front it's only for the first 3 years of the contract and secondly there is no alternative way to use this functionality. It simply is not something i can do from within the car. There are no buttons, there is no functionality in the on board system that enables you to have your car perform this functionality outside of the app.
Home Assistant and the fact its open source and supported by a huge community, is the best thing that doesnt get the credit it deserves. And so many contributors are getting sued by companies and if the companies cant sur they are pulling the API's. Even then there are back door ways to control devices and when you get involved in it, you realise how massive the community support for it is - because we hate paying for something, only to have to pay to run it every month - Subscriptions!
Dude you need to cover the Toyota GR Corollla fires and Toyota's refusal to acknowledge fault because the owner drove over the speed limit (data sent to Toyota without owner's knowledge) in a car that was advertised to be fun to drive on a racetrack.
My 2008 car doesn’t even have CarPlay. It has a cigarette lighter Bluetooth adapter for the head unit. And my brother said I was a fool. Glad I don’t have internet in my car.
We were there when the DMCA was being passed, and we rallied against it, but our voices are small because they're just aren't enough of us to overcome the lobbyists and big corporations that wanted to have control. And by we, I mean the ancaps, the libertarians, and the anarchists.
Keyless entry != Remote keyless entry. Keyless entry still works without the subscrption. Remote keyless entry allows you to unlock/lock the car with your smartphone instead of needing the keyfob.
My niece bought a 2023 Mazda CX-5 and we all thought it was strange there's a key fob and the car can start remotely, but there is no remote start on the fob. Instead you have to use the app to do remote start. So when it's 30 degrees outside and you're in a hurry, you grab your phone and unlock it, start the Mazda app, then initiate remote start, which may or not work or may be delayed due to wifi or internet issues. That's a lot easier than a remote start button that works instantly with the push of one button on the fob, right? We couldn't figure out why Mazda did this until I realized my niece had a trial subscription to Mazda connect, then it all made sense. They want to make more money and if it means annoying customers by making remote start more difficult that's okay. The alternative is spending hundreds of dollars on an aftermarket remote start and if you can't install it yourself even more money, for something that should be included in a $33k vehicle.
i love when you state some ridiculous thing a company is doing and then do a long dramatic pause and stare awkwardly at the camera to really let it sink in
We have a 2016 Lexus, there was no option for a factory remote start without the app. After the free trial we paid for the subscription until Lexus deactivated the service. Now despite the car having the capability to remote start the car from the key fob the function is disabled because they discontinued the subscription service.
I have a 2016 as well. I never knew the car could remote start from the key fob. just thought it was the app. The app no longer works because the 3G modem no longer has service. :(
@@MrProteinK yup, when the subscription was active you clicked lock twice then click lock again and hold it. It worked even when the car didn't have service so Lexus could have given customers the feature before shutting it off.
I'm an ancap. I can't get a breath out without complaining about IP law. Every ancap knows who you are. We just want to scrap ALL IP law, not some subsection of one law.
All the manufacturers are doing it. The answer is to not buy new cars, but instead spend the money keeping older ones in good condition. When they see spyware is damaging their profits, they'll stop. Not before.
It's not clear in this case but I can speak for my own car (2017 Chevy Bolt). It came with a 3 or 4 year trial period of OnStar and when that expired I could no longer remote start using my app but I still can remote start with the key fob. Major downside for me is remote start via the app worked from anywhere in the world but the key fob needs to be within ~100' in order to work. Still useful, on a really hot day I pop out of the front door and remote start the car 15 minutes before I head out, where in the past I could do it from my desk.
And this is why I have a 30-year-old Landrover with a mechanical injection diesel without a single electronic module in it. The highest tech parts are the LED taillight globes I installed.
There’s never been a better time to own a car that’s at least 10 years old. No software, no spying, every feature is available until the day the car dies, just a good old reliable car.
I gave up on Mazda after the way they handled the Gen 1 Mazda6 that was made in Ford's plant. They let the rear wheel arches completely rot to rust due to a grease leak defect that was on the production line prior to the car going into the paint dunk tank. The grease spot didn't allow the paint to bond, and eventually the wheel arch would rust. They gave a $200 repair compensation if you found it rusting before the warranty was up, but mostly everyone experienced the rust after the expiration. EVERYONE's Mazda6 had rust around the rear right wheel arch. The Mazda6 was nice looking and fun to drive, but that rust is one of the reasons why you don't see anymore of that car on the road.
Many modern cars have the ability to learn your garage door opener code so you can easily open your door without having to carry the remote. Tesla wants you to pay $45 a year for a MyQ subscription. I guess that didn't go over very well so now they will sell you a $350 option to do the same thing. Me? I just keep the damn remote clipped to my visor. Free.
My 20yo BMW had an option that did this. The rear view mirror would have 3 added buttons which you can have 3 seperate codes saved on. Like your property gate and the garage door for example. Unfortunately my car does not have it but I might retrofit it.
Its really nice to read this comment section and hear so many people with integrity and decency express their genuine outrage. There are real numbers. Its BS that being a sociopath is the requirement to be CEO most of the time. Someone should pretend to be one just to get up there and then turn the ship around. Ah but easier said than done.
I recall when I bought my Toyota I could get their remote start for some $650; everything needed was already in the vehicle, it just needed to be enabled. I recall thinking this was BS and went to a friend that was a mechanic; took him around 5 minutes to enable it. I used it for a little bit before turning it off and installing a third party remote start as while it was convenient to be able to use only one remote the Toyota remote start sucks with limited run times and automatically turning off when the cars unlocked.
Once this comes out to the public sales drop. not drastic, but sales do drip. Many people drumo the brand, not just the car, the entire brand name loses and entire family
You should be spraying under your car with some oil product unless you live in a desert and your car sees no moisture. Mazdas are reliable otherwise, definitely compared to most other brands, close to Toyota/Lexus though those surely rust less. Mazdas are probably more reliable than Hondas at this point. Just a few examples are Honda engines diluting the engine oil with gasoline over time and using CVT transmissions which Mazda never even bothered with, thankfully.
You could do that, but earlier fuel injection computers were only for the engine, and didn't do any of the other bad stuff. Having daily driven carbed and pre-OBD2 multipoint (sequential) port injected cars for many years, the benefits of EFI are real, and you don't need to tolerate all this spying and subscription stuff to get it. My early 90s car is one of those, and I consider it to be peak auto tech-- enough to have the better mileage and drivability of EFI, but other than that, nothing is computerized or automated. The ECU cannot even be flashed to a newer revision of the firmware... every car running this model of ECU is running the exact same program they have all been running for 35 years. The rest of the stuff on the car is simple electrical or mechanical. Press the throttle pedal half way, and a cable opens a throttle plate inside the engine compartment half way. Turn on the headlight switch, power is applied to the headlights, they come on. Open a door, the pin switch is grounded, the dome light comes on. Turn the key to START, the starter cranks as long as you hold it there. Turn off the ignition key, and power is cut to most things. Fuel pump is off, ignition system is off, wipers are off, radio is off, and so on. In my newer car, all of these controls result in requests to the computer (which is really a generic term for the large network of computers in any modern car). I press the throttle pedal half way, and it tells the computer I want, say, 50% engine power. I turn the headlight switch on, it tells the computer I want the headlights on. I open the door, it tells the computer the door is open. I turn the key to START, it tells the computer I want the car started. In each case, the car will handle the information as it is programmed. It mostly does the same stuff as my older car, but not completely. The dome light remains on after I close the door until I turn the key on, or until a period of time passes. There are a lot of things like that where it's not really my actions causing things to happen. It's the computer doing it at my request (if it wants to). And while I love my newer car in many ways, it drives me nuts that so much stuff is needlessly complex and unnecessarily involves computers that do not need to exist.
The keyless entry/remote start used to be a $200ish add-on. so in less than 2 years, you'll have already paid that feature off, but still have to keep paying for the life of the car if you want to use it.
Used to be because it was a keyfob thing. No connection. Nowadays, because of app remote start, car needs to have a permanent network connection (which the manufacturer is paying for), app has to be developed.
That is, of course, assuming they don't "upgrade" the "experience" where now your 4 year old Mazda is no longer compatible with the new "improved" version so you won't have your remote start after all, but they'll happily serve you an OTA update - for a price, of course.
"NEW FEATURES" aren't always new either, I had a 1974 Datsun pickup, and you couldn't lock your keys in the car, if you locked the driver door and then closed it, it would unlock. It used a physical system that pushed the plunger up if the door closed while it was down. So you had to be outside the truck, with the key to lock the door, after it closed. The door had buttons in the frame that the door pressed while closed to turn the dome light off when closed. Each of these features could be easily replaced by the owner if they failed/broke. Now my 2008 Tahoe's door locks easily if the keys are in the car but not in the ignition, and the left driver passenger door, (3rd door on the vehicle doesn't turn on the light when the door is open, all other doors including the tailgate turn the light on when opened, but now there is no button to replace, can't find the sensor to replace for that door.. Can't find a video on where to replace the sensor or even what is monitoring the door....
Mercedes doesn’t even put a remote start button on the keyfob. You are stuck using their crappy paid subscription if you need remote start. There are no aftermarket options because of the security level of the ECU.
What sucks is that remote open is part of it. What would you do if pressing your keyfob button no longer remotely opened your trunk hatch or entry doors?
@@silentwayfarer4951 What are you on about? I never said I’d buy a new one, not even remotely hinted at that. I would buy a used car. Allmy vehicles are over 20 years old.
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Where ever a wiring harness is streamlined in production... where ever an actuator is made standard and activated remotely... WHERE EVER there is 12v and wiring... I will be there, not paying a subscription.
Huh ?
Pigeon Man?
Facts. If the hardware is there, I'm not paying for it
And can anyone discuss the intrusive amounts of data collected by these shitboxes that are sold to insurance companies. Things like our microphone data, gps data, even hard braking and acceleration events. It's already a thing now, if you do lots of hard brakes then your insurance premiums go up. Wake up everyone, we are in a black mirror episode and we need to fight back against this shit
Sounds like you sell/install aftermarket RS/Security systems? I used to do this for years before I started working on PC's. We started getting Ford owners pouring in because they wanted a RS installed since Ford was going to charge them to unlock all RS features. I believe Firsttech and Directtech have options for Mazda as well. (Could be wrong, I have been out of the game a few months) It would still require purchasing an aftermarket RS system though but it either gives you the features you want/need or unlocks features like in the case with Ford vehicles.
"Three year trial..." That's not a trial, that's getting someone hooked to ensure the masses pay up.
Instead, I think that the masses will learn how to construct their own cars; and will start doing just that!
bro my dealer gave me 3 free samples and it worked
for legal reasons thats a joke
@@jeffzebert4982 Open source cars, choose the parts and then pay to have them fabricated and assembled. Every car is a custom car that way.
And I was considering a mazda cx for my next car lol
Fuck that shiet...
It's the crack of a new generation, pretty sad. smh I got a new 2024 Hyundai Elantra, and I'm pleasantly surprised that it's one of the least "connected" cars out there. Oh, and t comes with a spare tire in the truck which as been disappearing on most other cars. heh
Someone needs to start a Pirate Bay for banned OS software.
And service level management software for all makes.
my QbitTorrent is itching hahahaha
How’re you going to flash it onto your car
@@VoraciousPhantasma If your car is from 2007 or newer, it is remotely accessible.
@@VoraciousPhantasma I don't know, but if the source code was DMCA'd, there must have been a way to do it.
By now "How you are getting F*ed" should be a full series, with intro and everything.
It is insane how many companies decide to just give no shit about their customers and treat them like garbage.
I find it very hard to believe this isn't on purpose as well and agreed upon by the leaders in each industry.
Because there's no competition not doing this garbage. All these companies are doing these changes at the same time.
We really do need a startup who "built their own car industry". We need vehicles that are just vehicles, not computers that spy on you and have "services" locked behind paywalls.
As soon as they realized they have a captive (and lazy) audience, it was all over.
Welcome to capitalism ...
@@3nertia yes
Today on "How you are getting F*ed" MAZDA!!
The "Mazda connected service" was something NOBODY ASKED FOR!!! it's my damn car!!
Louis Rossmann does an exceptional job exposing shady business practices. I’m glad he addressed this issue. Mazda is putting out quality vehicles at reasonable prices, but it’s disappointing to see them tarnish that reputation by turning standard features into subscription services. Shame on Mazda and any company that forces unnecessary subscriptions onto consumers.
I'd suspect that the reason they're putting out reasonable vehicles is because they expect the subscription service to make up for any losses that are incurred from the production of decent hardware. Companies have to make more money off the car through repairs or subscriptions, because just a simple car loan or lease isn't going to please shareholders :p
Car Connected Services should be outlawed. There is ZERO excueses besides simply spying and scamming to make your car connect to the internet.
Government WANTS this kind of thing. They’re not gonna stop it. It’s gonna get even more invasive. This is just the beginning to the government’s ability to track and even disable your car - for “security”.
On the contrary, thanks to the infrastructure bill, it will be the opposite in the future. This legislation mandates that all vehicles must have some sort of safety interlock system that's able to detect whether or not a driver is impaired using image recognition, software and cameras. In addition, the government wishes to track vehicle operators mileage. In order to do so, there must be some sort of telemetry devices that phone home for the purpose of usage fees. You can thank President, Biden and the Congress for taking away even more of your privacy.
And you will pay the remote start fee to pay for this privilege yourself.
what about long used EU reg that mandated cars have 3g onboard to call emergency services in the event of airbag deployment?
@@Anonymous______________ Well if nothing else the people of this nation have repeatedly demonstrated their ability to get loud, angry (and often very stupid) at pretty much anything. Who's up for a little flag-waving?
We figured out how to get past the BMW heated seat thing. Power to a relay. Check engine light comes on. Clear OBD2 codes. Comes back. Your seats still work.
intentionally falsifying a check engine light should be a federal crime
Until the next OTA update... Internet connection is required for drivers safety obviously
@@scimbrelo To be on or off? I'm confused. Your check engine light can illuminate due to something as simple as a bad gas cap. I've drove cars for years with the check engine light on, typically it's an O2 sensor. You might get 0.5mpg less, but it's not the end of the world.
@@DarkForce2024in many states you cannot pass yearly safety inspection with a check engine light on
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@@scimbrelo Ummm... You're saying that BMW is falsifying the check engine light here, right?
Need to mirror that open source app in like 100,000 different locations. Share it openly. I will not ever subscribe to jack shit. I will pirate everything instead.
Perfect opportunity for torrents lol
if dropshipping companies are allowed to copy-paste themselves across multiple "brands" to get away from accountability when their product kills your pet, I don't see anything unethical about copy-pasting application code across hundreds of "programs" to circumvent frivolous dmca strikes
Encryption for each device means each device has to be individually cracked for the specific hardware it is running upon. So no more single cracks that works for everyone. Phone home encryption will also recheck the software AND hardware for tampering and brick it by burning out a link. Only the factory can replace burned out links because it is embedded inside the chip (such things have long existed).
its been known github is not the place to go for such projects.
Github is complacent in all of it
Shiver my timbers, I be thinkin the same. Welcome aboard Matey.
what were those old ads? "You wouldn't pirate a car". Here we are in 2024 and the answer is yes
They have a "waive your legal rights away" clause in their agreement for the free trial remote start now.
It doesn't mean crap in the EU thankfully. Facebook and Google lose a lot of money yearly for just the EU fines and that's discounting the national courts fining them to hell.
@@mugthemagpie3001 i wish NA implements the same soon.
Advocate for alternatives to the car.
More walking.
More biking.
More public transit.
In a time when creators stretch 5 minutes of content into a 10 minute and 1 second video Louis gives 15 minutes worth in 7 and a half.
Louis is the definition of the word hero. I truly respect this man.
Reject Modernity, Embrace Repairability!
What does that even mean?
Embrace true ownership!
it's sad we have to come to that.
@@seanwilson9925the fact you need to write that… 🤦🏽♂️
Repair against the modern world - Julius Evola
Wait until the Funeral Homes figure out how to do service charges
Eternal Care Services
$20/month or grandma is getting incinerated by the Smart Coffin
@@connorelliott7881 wifi and bt?
They already do.
I mean, hospice care is a subscription scam.
A double whammy, a subscription plus an attack on open source.
It depends on what the open source is doing. I hope that the connection to the car is at least somewhat encrypted. And if so, the open source apps would essentially be hacking into the car. And if this is true, then this is not an attack on open source. Although I think it is scummy as it costs the manufacturer nothing as people who would go open source would not spend money on their app anyway.
@@adamhero459 You have a legal right to hack into your own car and others have a legal right to help you hack into your own car. You can't leverage the DMCA to protect against anything but IP infringement. See Chamberlain Group v. Skylink Technologies.
Car thieves already figured this out.
They can walk up to your car, hack it, open your door and then remote start it.
Then they just hop in and drive away.
Forgot to switch atls, @@TheWebstaff
Only that’s a different system they’re hacking into. Keyless entry. Slightly different to remote start up function being disabled by a subscription service. Semantics to the side, I can’t wait for piracy to come back and bite these thieving corporate bastards. I still
wish there was an easy way to disable keyless entry without the use of a Faraday cage to cut the signal off.
They're just copying the rf frequency or using a large antenna to make your car think your fob is nearby. It's kind of funny that modern cars have this dumb of a security flaw but when you consider all the dumb security flaws in the internet, you can't be too surprised
@@TheWebstaffWhich argument?
I was wondering what's the point of remote start feature, now it makes sense 😂
I love my 1997 shitbox fiesta.
I'll never leave it for the car that forces me to buy a subscription to use a feature that is already installed in it.
same, I love my 2017 shitbox fiesta because even 20 years after designing yours it's still such a plebian vehicle they never even bothered to put anything "smart" into it.
@@connorelliott7881 viva la fiesta 🗿
Yup! I love my nugget cars.
I've got a 1979 Subaru. It doesn't even have an ECU. It has a carburetor and a distributor. It gets 50 mpg on the highway and I just drove it two 500 mile trips back to back with no issues. I've put over 200,000 miles on it since I rebuilt the engine. I will never buy a car made after 1990 let alone the new ones. The cars from the 70s and 80s are too good. What car can I buy now that I can carry all the tools to fix it in the cargo area? Nothing. I can get in my Subaru and drive thousands of miles whenever I want with no issues and I have done for years. I just say no thanks to any of this crap, I'll buy a real car.
I have a 2008 turbo shitbox that seppuku'd this year and I'm terribly sad.
Louis is still the only youtuber I watch that I don't need to play at accelerated speed. Packs that content in!
Why would you do that in general? Just watch the video normally
@@VladimirDT That's like tryina get my apparently but not really constantly caffeinated young cousin to watch a hickok45 video, 10 seconds in and he's already reaching for that speedup button cause he's getting sleepy from hearing the old man talk slow, even though there is the promise of bullets flying later.
@@VladimirDT If a video is mainly dialogue (or monologue) and people talk slowly (or you can process conversation at a much higher speed) playing the video at 1.5-2x lets you get the same content in half the time. Different story with athletics, racing, nature, etc.
I legit thought I had 1.5x speed on when this video started, lol
In the first 30 seconds of video, Louis spoke about 5 minutes of words.
You can take the yankee out of NY, but you cant take the NY out of the yankee
That's a NYer for you.
I get out of breath just listening to him .
I thought I had it on 1.75x speed
Thought he put this video on 1.5x speed
NO MAZDA YOU WERE THE CHOSEN ONE
My wife is ready for a new car, but I'm not. Thanks to your videos, I told her i didn't want a car that connects to the internet. She agrees. I hope they still make cars like that.
Maybe wrap the transmitter with a grounded mesh, make a Faraday cage around it.
Theoretically the new Mazda Outlander PHEV lowest model has no connection to anything and is a solid car with driving assist. You have to actually go into the shop to update the software, which is promising. Its also a low price high value vehicle.
I say theoretically because MAYBE theres a sim card in there somewhere, but if it is, its not doing anything for you anywhere in that car. Theres a website that tells you how to take the sim cards out of your car.
Alternatively, if you remove the digital antenna from your car you lose radio but they also lose telemetry. At least on some low model vehicles, they dont all work the same.
Laughing in non-OBD2 compliant '94 Passat...
How does the DMCA apply to a physical object, like a car?
An object that, in all other aspects, you are free to modify in literally any way you want to, in most cases with commercially available aftermarket parts.
This seems like something a motivated and competent lawyer could easily win.
No it is DMCA applies to the Standard. This has been true 'forever'. Corporations have just got better at conning people. It is the problem of regulatory capture!
Even moderate, competent lawyers cost a lot tho. This is also assuming you get a good, not corrupt judge. Personally, i would go for it, but i understand not wanting the stress and risk/reward
Actually there's a significant issue with design patents on car parts, where companies can't make replacement headlight assemblies which look the same as the original. Plus there's trademark protection on the logos and iconic features (like front grilles), and copyright on the design of the car.
The DMCA thing is probably because it's a "circumvention tool" for "DRM" protecting copyrighted software.
Simple. Anti-circumvention clauses. Owning a set of ideas is a ridiculous concept and should be grounds for intellectual property to be abolished.
@@reddragonflyxx657 funny story. Coworker recently had an accident. Not too much damage but headlight fucked. Apparently they couldn't just pop in a new one but whole assemble... and yeah not only none they could find in stock but couldn't just make a new one. Took something like 3 months just to get a replacement headllight
I remember when remote start and remote keyless entry didn't need someone else's server to be involved. Good thing I don't drive anymore.
The publicity and EFFECTIVE boycott is needed to make them stop. It worked with BMW when it tried to make heated seats into a subscription service.
tfw my 20yo BMW has keyless entry that's integrated into the door handles.
@@GoodOlTazzyBecause you can easily break into it?😂
I still have that function, it is called a grandson. "Charlie, can you please open the car and start the engine?". Although I will have to be careful he doesn't just drive off one day and leave me there.
This is why I just bought a 1998 car. I’m more “connected” than ever without all the computers between me and my car.
Home Assistant is great. Just installed it last week to control lighting, heating and ventilation in my workshop. All local. No need to worry if/when someone will screw you over.
Home Assistant is great. But it is for homes where there is wifi. Louis is mostly wrong about this one, the car has a cellular modem because it is mobile so a aubscription is required to pay for that at least. Cellular service has monthly fees.
@@Me__Myself__and__I he's not talking about connecting Mazda to Home Assistant directly (as far as I understood), but like an example of choosing your own infrastructure, instead of being tied to manufacturer's.
@@Me__Myself__and__Ithere is no reason car manufacturers do not give us a choice. I should be able to put my own sim card in my car. I have a free SIM card I could use, I got it free with my phone contract. Or I should be able to use WiFi to connect my car to my home and use that.
But it's just that most car manufacturers are really really far behind when it comes to technology like this. They are in the 90s...
@@Me__Myself__and__I True but this should be a free service. People are already paying 30ish thousand for a car, they shouldn't be nickle and dimed for a feature afterwards. And idk about other car companies but on my Mazda you can't remote start from he fob, only the app. So they knew they were going to do this and decided specifically to not put it on the fob so they can completely lock the feature away.
@@SpartanArmy117 Its not really about remote start. Modern vehicles use an Internet connection for a lot of useful services. That requires a cellular modem and that requires a subscription because cellular companies expect to get paid. Now since the car company is already building in-car services that use the cellular modem and an app it makes sense to put all of the ways you can remotely co trol your car in the app instead of also building out a more expensive fob communucation system that would provide less range and reliability. It is what it is and THIS is never going to change for any auto company going forward because it makes no sense to go backward, Even if some people don't like it. A car isn't some device you plunk down in your house and connect up to wifi. Louis was comparing apples to oranges.
Like I said, you can argue about the price. But the fact that cars have cellular modems and as a result will require a subscription is a done deal. You can choose not to pay of course, but then those services won't work because they need a cellular internet connection.
Mazda, you were the chosen one.
My 1994 Miata would love to have a word with Mazda.
They made a big statement about not putting in giant, distracting touchscreens on their dashboards so the driver can stay focused. I thought they were the good guys..
@@BBonsteel They do that so you won't pay attention to something else.
@@BBonsteelThere are no good guys anymore.
Mazda has always been shit
This needs to be a class action lawsuit, seems like bait and switch. At the same time we need regulations to stop this kind of behavior. Personally I'll rip out the cars ECU and replace it with a custom one before I pay a subscription for hardware I own.
thankfully there is a pretty big market of drop in ecus that do just that
You don’t even need to do that, just buy some tuning software that lets you flash the ECU
@@-Garviel_Loken- then void the warranty
Seems like? It absolutely is a bait and switch.
@@I_am_a_human_not_a_commodityI bottom-ozed a couple years ago, and there are disclaimers all over the thing that it ends in three years, so I don't think that's going very far.
Look im just a dumb kid from the 90s pretending to be an Adult but why the fek do i want to control my air conditioner from anywhere in world ? Why do i want a fekin app to start my car ? Modern ''convenience'' is solving problems i dont fekin have and charging my a sub for the privilege . Utter madness . Good on you Louis for putting this out there and exposing the bullshit .
So when you’re coming home, you can turn on your AC ahead of time so your house is already cooled down, after letting it heat up when you weren’t there.
The app is dumb though. Simple remote on the keychain with a button to do that works just fine
@@orppranator5230We already have timers that dont want paid every month !
When are we going to get a full tutorial on how to set up home assistant? Start to finish, vpn tutorial, etc... Would absolutely love that and would definitely implement in my own life.
Thank you for talking about this. It’s fucked that they put remote start EXCLUSIVELY on a shitty app that barely functions.
now imagine they stop updating the app for your model, or decide your phone is too old to operate your car... what a stupid world.
Everyone's jumping in on racing to get to the bottom. I love it.
Louis just want to make sure that you know that theres million(s) of people that look to you for a lot in this dystopian world. I personally have really lost a lot of hope for my 13yo daughter to grow up with out knowing what ownership is. I try my best to "BUY" physical copies of the things she likes and make sure she knows that if she's clicking buttons on a Roku remote to open Netflix,amazon,etc.....that they own "it" and can delete any movie or sereries they want to whenever......long story short....appreciate all your videos and hard work. P.S. thanks for coming to Texas. hope youre enjoying it. hopefully one day I have a reason to come to the shop and show my daughter a little piece of the greener side with right to repair.
Gee, I hope no one downloaded and archived the program for later distribution 😌 (Same with those AC units from a while back)
indeed, let's hope that didn't or does not happen... please, please .. :)
fuck yep, Reuploaded that biatch on github. 🖕Mazda
mazda is off the shopping list
Sure, but what's still on it? A (non-electric) bike?
I am not sure what he is talking about because I did get a Mazda in 23 and Mazda connect is free. Not that one absolutely needs it.
Everyone's doing it/or starting to do it... I guess at this point, it's best to stick to old cars with no computers
@@snowblow1984It’s a 3-year free trial then a subscription afterwards. They sell your info and you consent by using the Mazda app
Too bad. My first car was an RX-7 and I LOVED it
Man, I love my 2009 Skoda. It has an engine, 4 wheels and AC. What else do I need?
Engine that do not consume oil?
A radio.
Škoda was never sold in USA. 😀 I doubt Louis has ever heard that name. VW is sold there, Audi is, but no Seat or Škoda.
@pabllosee I have a couple cars from that era with plenty of miles. They're great, the AC works, my heated seats even work! 😂
Edit because I forgot to answer the original question. Neither consume oil. They occasionally develop a leak but generally it's easily fixed and I move on.
That just means fresh oil supply brother! Row Ted! Hehe, I need to fix my vent vale causing my 11 Rio a lean cylinder one. Probably valve seats too, oil on the plugs, but that just means premix, and I feel like a 2 stroker with some white smoke ya know! Brap brap @@pabllosee
im a simple man, when i see mr rossmann upload a video i click without looking at the title. Man never disapoints.....
I used to hate my boring ass Sentra, and I still do, but I’m coming to love it more every time I hear of this.
This has to be an American Mazda thing. I recently had an engine replacement on my RX-8 and just got it back a week ago. After the engine was installed by a certified mechanic, the car had to go to the nearest Mazda dealer to certify the installation was done correctly, connect the car to their computers and finally give me the warranty on the core. I told Mazda upfront I modified their OEM ECU to trigger the fans on a lower coolant temperature to prolong engine life and increased idle for better oil pressure. They were 100% okay with it. Not only I drive my car happily again, I get a 2 year / 20.000 KM warranty on the engine core for a 2005 car. Mazda in Europe and Japan are MVPs.
Sir that car is old we are talking about 2020 cars
What you're talking has nothing to do with what's being discussed in this video. An RX-8 (thankfully) doesn't have the modules and software in it that allow to connect to the internet. I had a series 2 RX-8 (2010) for a while. They get a bad rap, rightfully so sometimes, but I think they look cool and are really fun to drive.
As I've claimed before: "Technology is mans ability, to complicate simplicity" You go Louis, spread the truth, keep on exposing this behaviour. I pray enough peoples eyes are opened, to revolt against corporate tyranny world wide. What people seems to forget is, they only achieve sales, because there is demand. Take the demand away and see what happens. Refuse the bow before their unethical, greedy demands and see how long these companies stay open/profitable.
Damnit Mazda, you're the only car brand I consistently like the designs of.
I for one don't want remote start. One less thing to go wrong. I'm happy using the key and putting it in the ignition and turning it like a caveman.
You clearly don’t live in a region with cold winters haha
@@enemyspotted2467or south where it’s hot af in summer. Remote start is so nice
@@enemyspotted2467I lived in central Alberta with -40 to -60 winters. One, I wouldn’t have a Mazda there, but also I didnt mind turning the key and then scraping Windows
@@enemyspotted2467Remote start is the worst way to heat up a car in the cold.
@@TopiasSalakka Depends on your definition of "heat up" - letting it idle for 5 minutes is fine.
You should lobby for a law that makes it illegal to knowingly file false DMCA claims.
_FUTO Automotive Control App_
Coming when?
And this is why I keep my old 2008 Ford Focus and a 1952 Plymouth
Mazda can bite me. Add them to the list of Never Buy One Again.
Lots of respect once again.
things keep getting worse :/
Welcome to modernity
The best part of the internet is that once something is out there, its out there forever.
Never stop, youre the man Louis
Corruption digs deep down to the devils playground. Literally, corporate America's subterranean world
Something that doesn't even need the server access for the features people really want. The health portion is something few people care about, but the remote start/key access is important and only needs to connect to the car, not some remote server.
People laughs at me because my brand new Mitsuhishi Outlander Sport has keys, none of that infotainment stuff and buttons everywhere, and the maximum it has is Bluetooth to connect to my phone.
A time tested engine and a stick instead of buttons.
I can't afford to change my 2010 Avensis yet (because Nigeria) but this is the kind of vehicle i look forward to.
I drove a relatively modern honda few months ago and I hated it.
We sacrifice too much practically useful things for theoretically advanced shining crap today.
We've become bloody lazy.
Why do you need an app for your fridge again? Oh, that's right... Technology!
They laugh at you because Mitsubishi is terrible haha, but seriously yeah that's nice. Although I can't deny I wouldn't want to go back to Bluetooth after using android auto.
@@SpartanArmy117 honestly Mitsubishi is just another dull brand that do dull cars and that’s it
I don’t need to have a glorified iPad as a infotainment
Yeah, CarPlay/Android Auto are cool, but that’s pretty much it
Noted! Thank you sir, that's exactly the kind of car I'll want if I ever need to change my 2017 Ford...
I really appreciate the mitsubishi is still just making vehicles.
I will NEVER buy a Mazda or any vehicle who sells subscriptions!
NEVER!
+1. Same with too many "smart" features. Data logging, etc. I have my phone for all my "smart" needs. My car needs to be mechanically connected to the wheels with minimal computers and sensors between
That's the catch. Soon all of them will do this. And everything else scummy they can think of. And then eventually we end up without a choice. That's their endgame here.
I guess you can always buy a bike
@@Jeffrey_Wong ^This or just walking in the future, cars destroy the environment.
Good luck finding any vehicle in the future that doesn't offer subscriptions.
A VCR that cost $49 in 2001 now sells for $150 used. Old tech goes up in value as the desire for it goes up in the niche community. I see a time when computer-controlled, non-internet cars start going up in resale value for this exact reason. Look - I don't want to go back to carburetors, but there were 20 years after carburetors where the cars were damn near perfect. They might start squeaking, and the tires, struts, alternator, etc. start to give trouble every couple years. But you don't break down on the side of the road without a warning like you did before computer-controlled cars. I love my Ford Fiesta that is not internet connected. Not much tech. No remote start except for aftermarket. What I own is MINE. And I run Linux on all my computers.
EFI and computer controlled ignition systems are more likely to randomly shut down without a warning. The only way a quality well put together carburator, points and condenser system will fail, is if you're neglecting the maintenance and service intervals. Even then they don't just stop working without a warning. The warning just doesn't come in the form of a check engine light.
That being said I do agree that for most people an 90's EFI system is the best choice for daily driving because of how little maintenance they require and for the better fuel economy in city driving.
And old cars are fixable, anywhere, at part level, for anyone with the skills and tools.
To me, the second gold age for cars past the stuff from the 1960's is 1995 to 2005. Enough stuff designed in a way to be reliable and made at a point were it was finally figured out, but not over-designed to the point of getting in the way or otherwise being an anti-feature. Cars added "the suck" when those unnecessary plastic engine covers started being added.
Imagine if a car manufacturer came along and did everything for the people. Minimal electronics, lots of customizability, etc. People would probably flock to it and it would flourish. But instead we have this and guys like Elmo.
Doing this now would be premature and void years of potential guaranteed profit. They can milk the customers with shady stuff for years. Maybe in 50 years what you're saying will be the best business strategy.
The problem is it's only a small percentage of the population that wants simplicity. Most people like shiny gimmicks, and companies love being able to mark stuff up to 100 thousand for the added "features"
A HUGE reason for a lot of the electronic junk in cars is CAFE standards, which force manufacturers to squeeze every last mpg out of a car. This makes it impossible for anyone to manufacture a simple to repair, basic car like the old pre 80's VW Beetles and Buses. Big daddy government helped to create this monster.
Now the car companies are taking advantage of the computers they had to put into cars in order to meet CAFE standards to screw the customers with SaaS(software as a service) agreements. So now the customers are in the position of having to get on their knees to big daddy government and ask them to put some controls on the monster they helped to create in the first place.
A car that is better designed, and thinks of the car owner rather than the car manufacturer? Tucker tried that in the 50's, and the carmakers made sure to shut that down. DMCA and protectionist legislation has made it even easier for the entrenched companies.
@@cheesecurd100s Which means we ALL suffer for the *stupidity* of the sheeple.
Just because they are upfront about it, doesnt mean that you have to be happy about it..
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i like mazda but their tech stuff is scummy. Especially charging $400 for the map navigation microSD.
The real issue isn't the requirement to pay for cellular services. That is only fair. The real problem is that they stopped offering keyfob-based remote start. Sure, you can install a third-party one, but how hard would it have been to keep offering an OEM version?
I bought a 2008 Honda Civic last year and I'll drive it until the wheels fall off.
Nissan also charges for remote start. Had it for 3 months and then the "trial" ended and it became a subscription. Idk how much it is because I never even considered paying for that. But yeah, everything in new cars is going this way.
As an ancap/libertarian let me clarify. Copyright DMCA, and other lP (imaginary property) laws are not part of a free market, they are a government created infringement on the free market.
Exactly. As libertarians we oppose the use of force or fraud in personal interactions or business dealings. This activity violates BOTH.
I ignore fake laws and do what I want with my property. What's that? The DPF clogged? Delete the truck and never fear again! Better mileage, more power, no garbage onboard. Don't like it, you can pay the $15,000+ to replace parts I don't need that only hurt the machine.
My dream of owning a 1965 F-truck is sounding better and better
They will learn like other OEM, You must offer both a cry a little each month fee or buy once cry once feature that is active for the duration of the original purchaser possession of the vehicle.
This is what BMW settled on, after seatheatergate
TH-cam used to be free without ads
Now they want you to pay to take away ads
TH-cam started sucking after Google bought it.
@@HelmutDoork that happened in 2006
@@Pie-jacker875 Every rolling ball of suck has a beginning. For TH-cam, it was 2006.
Mazda include a free bottle of blinker fluid with every subscription.
Does it say 'KY' 😂
I sympathise with this alot. I'm in Europe (Netherlands) and I have 5 year private lease contract for my Electric VW car. One of the great features (especialy in winter time) is that i can go on the phone app for my car and remotely tell it to warm the interior and (if there is snow or ice) i can tell it to heat the windows to melt the ice in advance. However, 3 years into the contract, it tells me my subscription term of this usage has expired and i had to spend a little under 200 euro's to keep using this feature for the remaining 2 years. So i get there is a certain cost to provide a connection to my car and use this kind of feature remotely. HOWEVER, this is by no means made clear up front it's only for the first 3 years of the contract and secondly there is no alternative way to use this functionality. It simply is not something i can do from within the car. There are no buttons, there is no functionality in the on board system that enables you to have your car perform this functionality outside of the app.
try a 3rd party remote start system
Home Assistant and the fact its open source and supported by a huge community, is the best thing that doesnt get the credit it deserves.
And so many contributors are getting sued by companies and if the companies cant sur they are pulling the API's. Even then there are back door ways to control devices and when you get involved in it, you realise how massive the community support for it is - because we hate paying for something, only to have to pay to run it every month - Subscriptions!
Dude you need to cover the Toyota GR Corollla fires and Toyota's refusal to acknowledge fault because the owner drove over the speed limit (data sent to Toyota without owner's knowledge) in a car that was advertised to be fun to drive on a racetrack.
The best way to handle things like this is DONT BUY IT. Unfortunately people still will. 🤷♂️ cant convince everyone
People need a car.
My 2008 car doesn’t even have CarPlay. It has a cigarette lighter Bluetooth adapter for the head unit. And my brother said I was a fool. Glad I don’t have internet in my car.
We were there when the DMCA was being passed, and we rallied against it, but our voices are small because they're just aren't enough of us to overcome the lobbyists and big corporations that wanted to have control. And by we, I mean the ancaps, the libertarians, and the anarchists.
Wait, not just remote start, but remote keyless entry?? Good god, civilization is fried.
Ffs that is insane.
Why does that need Mazdas servers? My 2013 Honda does all that without remote servers.
the key fobs have keyless entry, you just cant start it from the fob, unless you buy a separate one for a couple hundo. on 2021 and newer anyways.
Keyless entry != Remote keyless entry. Keyless entry still works without the subscrption. Remote keyless entry allows you to unlock/lock the car with your smartphone instead of needing the keyfob.
Great, remote start and remote keyless entry. So you can unlock and start your car when you're nowhere near it, making it easier to steal. Brilliant.
My niece bought a 2023 Mazda CX-5 and we all thought it was strange there's a key fob and the car can start remotely, but there is no remote start on the fob. Instead you have to use the app to do remote start. So when it's 30 degrees outside and you're in a hurry, you grab your phone and unlock it, start the Mazda app, then initiate remote start, which may or not work or may be delayed due to wifi or internet issues. That's a lot easier than a remote start button that works instantly with the push of one button on the fob, right? We couldn't figure out why Mazda did this until I realized my niece had a trial subscription to Mazda connect, then it all made sense. They want to make more money and if it means annoying customers by making remote start more difficult that's okay. The alternative is spending hundreds of dollars on an aftermarket remote start and if you can't install it yourself even more money, for something that should be included in a $33k vehicle.
i love when you state some ridiculous thing a company is doing and then do a long dramatic pause and stare awkwardly at the camera to really let it sink in
We have a 2016 Lexus, there was no option for a factory remote start without the app. After the free trial we paid for the subscription until Lexus deactivated the service. Now despite the car having the capability to remote start the car from the key fob the function is disabled because they discontinued the subscription service.
I have a 2016 as well. I never knew the car could remote start from the key fob. just thought it was the app. The app no longer works because the 3G modem no longer has service. :(
@@MrProteinK yup, when the subscription was active you clicked lock twice then click lock again and hold it. It worked even when the car didn't have service so Lexus could have given customers the feature before shutting it off.
I'm an ancap. I can't get a breath out without complaining about IP law.
Every ancap knows who you are. We just want to scrap ALL IP law, not some subsection of one law.
As a minarchist, yes
Eff these subscription services popping up left and right!!! Does these bastards all think that we all make a doctor's salary!? Boycott Mazda!!
even if i did make a doctors salary i would still like to keep my money and not pay for every single bullshit thing
Did you watch the video to the end?
They don't care what we make - they only care what they can make 😉
All the manufacturers are doing it. The answer is to not buy new cars, but instead spend the money keeping older ones in good condition. When they see spyware is damaging their profits, they'll stop. Not before.
@@stevewalker2028 This is the answer. Except to many suckers exist today.
Glad your still alive Louis
Solidarity is the only way to make change happen. People need to show up, and help. Consumers deserve better protection. Good luck!
What server do you need to connect to.
What happened to a regular remote start, that works on radio waves?
It's not clear in this case but I can speak for my own car (2017 Chevy Bolt). It came with a 3 or 4 year trial period of OnStar and when that expired I could no longer remote start using my app but I still can remote start with the key fob. Major downside for me is remote start via the app worked from anywhere in the world but the key fob needs to be within ~100' in order to work. Still useful, on a really hot day I pop out of the front door and remote start the car 15 minutes before I head out, where in the past I could do it from my desk.
And this is why I have a 30-year-old Landrover with a mechanical injection diesel without a single electronic module in it. The highest tech parts are the LED taillight globes I installed.
There’s never been a better time to own a car that’s at least 10 years old. No software, no spying, every feature is available until the day the car dies, just a good old reliable car.
Subaru does this too
I gave up on Mazda after the way they handled the Gen 1 Mazda6 that was made in Ford's plant. They let the rear wheel arches completely rot to rust due to a grease leak defect that was on the production line prior to the car going into the paint dunk tank. The grease spot didn't allow the paint to bond, and eventually the wheel arch would rust. They gave a $200 repair compensation if you found it rusting before the warranty was up, but mostly everyone experienced the rust after the expiration. EVERYONE's Mazda6 had rust around the rear right wheel arch. The Mazda6 was nice looking and fun to drive, but that rust is one of the reasons why you don't see anymore of that car on the road.
Many modern cars have the ability to learn your garage door opener code so you can easily open your door without having to carry the remote. Tesla wants you to pay $45 a year for a MyQ subscription. I guess that didn't go over very well so now they will sell you a $350 option to do the same thing. Me? I just keep the damn remote clipped to my visor. Free.
My 20yo BMW had an option that did this. The rear view mirror would have 3 added buttons which you can have 3 seperate codes saved on. Like your property gate and the garage door for example. Unfortunately my car does not have it but I might retrofit it.
@@GoodOlTazzy My BMW has it, and this part I am pretty sure is not internet connected
Unless you've got a Chamberlain opener. Then you have to pay THEM for a subscription as well.
Its really nice to read this comment section and hear so many people with integrity and decency express their genuine outrage. There are real numbers.
Its BS that being a sociopath is the requirement to be CEO most of the time. Someone should pretend to be one just to get up there and then turn the ship around.
Ah but easier said than done.
I recall when I bought my Toyota I could get their remote start for some $650; everything needed was already in the vehicle, it just needed to be enabled. I recall thinking this was BS and went to a friend that was a mechanic; took him around 5 minutes to enable it. I used it for a little bit before turning it off and installing a third party remote start as while it was convenient to be able to use only one remote the Toyota remote start sucks with limited run times and automatically turning off when the cars unlocked.
Once this comes out to the public sales drop. not drastic, but sales do drip. Many people drumo the brand, not just the car, the entire brand name loses and entire family
Reject car with screen that rusts and breaks down within 10 years, buy car that is proven to last like a Honda Civic from the 2000s
Mine's an 04, manual everything - analog af. : ) love the ole girl!
@@stillnobuddy amazing!!!
You should be spraying under your car with some oil product unless you live in a desert and your car sees no moisture. Mazdas are reliable otherwise, definitely compared to most other brands, close to Toyota/Lexus though those surely rust less. Mazdas are probably more reliable than Hondas at this point. Just a few examples are Honda engines diluting the engine oil with gasoline over time and using CVT transmissions which Mazda never even bothered with, thankfully.
The more I hear about this, the more I'm glad my 17 year old minivan is running good.
My wife told me she wants me to buy an old computerless pickup truck. I'm giving it real consideration.
You could do that, but earlier fuel injection computers were only for the engine, and didn't do any of the other bad stuff.
Having daily driven carbed and pre-OBD2 multipoint (sequential) port injected cars for many years, the benefits of EFI are real, and you don't need to tolerate all this spying and subscription stuff to get it.
My early 90s car is one of those, and I consider it to be peak auto tech-- enough to have the better mileage and drivability of EFI, but other than that, nothing is computerized or automated. The ECU cannot even be flashed to a newer revision of the firmware... every car running this model of ECU is running the exact same program they have all been running for 35 years. The rest of the stuff on the car is simple electrical or mechanical. Press the throttle pedal half way, and a cable opens a throttle plate inside the engine compartment half way. Turn on the headlight switch, power is applied to the headlights, they come on. Open a door, the pin switch is grounded, the dome light comes on. Turn the key to START, the starter cranks as long as you hold it there. Turn off the ignition key, and power is cut to most things. Fuel pump is off, ignition system is off, wipers are off, radio is off, and so on.
In my newer car, all of these controls result in requests to the computer (which is really a generic term for the large network of computers in any modern car).
I press the throttle pedal half way, and it tells the computer I want, say, 50% engine power. I turn the headlight switch on, it tells the computer I want the headlights on. I open the door, it tells the computer the door is open. I turn the key to START, it tells the computer I want the car started.
In each case, the car will handle the information as it is programmed. It mostly does the same stuff as my older car, but not completely. The dome light remains on after I close the door until I turn the key on, or until a period of time passes. There are a lot of things like that where it's not really my actions causing things to happen. It's the computer doing it at my request (if it wants to). And while I love my newer car in many ways, it drives me nuts that so much stuff is needlessly complex and unnecessarily involves computers that do not need to exist.
corporations suck
But not as much as their pals in government.
The keyless entry/remote start used to be a $200ish add-on. so in less than 2 years, you'll have already paid that feature off, but still have to keep paying for the life of the car if you want to use it.
Used to be because it was a keyfob thing. No connection. Nowadays, because of app remote start, car needs to have a permanent network connection (which the manufacturer is paying for), app has to be developed.
That is, of course, assuming they don't "upgrade" the "experience" where now your 4 year old Mazda is no longer compatible with the new "improved" version so you won't have your remote start after all, but they'll happily serve you an OTA update - for a price, of course.
Lol, remote start is illegal in Poland. By the law the driver must supervise the car
"NEW FEATURES" aren't always new either, I had a 1974 Datsun pickup, and you couldn't lock your keys in the car, if you locked the driver door and then closed it, it would unlock. It used a physical system that pushed the plunger up if the door closed while it was down. So you had to be outside the truck, with the key to lock the door, after it closed. The door had buttons in the frame that the door pressed while closed to turn the dome light off when closed. Each of these features could be easily replaced by the owner if they failed/broke. Now my 2008 Tahoe's door locks easily if the keys are in the car but not in the ignition, and the left driver passenger door, (3rd door on the vehicle doesn't turn on the light when the door is open, all other doors including the tailgate turn the light on when opened, but now there is no button to replace, can't find the sensor to replace for that door.. Can't find a video on where to replace the sensor or even what is monitoring the door....
Mercedes doesn’t even put a remote start button on the keyfob. You are stuck using their crappy paid subscription if you need remote start. There are no aftermarket options because of the security level of the ECU.
I never used nor do I need remote start. But if I did, I guess I’d sell that car.
What sucks is that remote open is part of it. What would you do if pressing your keyfob button no longer remotely opened your trunk hatch or entry doors?
And buy a new one? Perhaps that's what they are counting on.
@@silentwayfarer4951 What are you on about? I never said I’d buy a new one, not even remotely hinted at that. I would buy a used car. Allmy vehicles are over 20 years old.
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