What if the Muslims Kept Spain?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 มิ.ย. 2024
- Throughout the Medieval Era, Christian kingdoms warred against Muslim states after the Islamic conquests. In the era called the Reconquista, new states formed, new dynasties rose, and this fight over a peninsula fundamentally changed the world forever.
The only way to truly know how impactful it was, is to take it away. What if the Reconquista had failed? No Spain. No Portugal. Its a long journey ahead.
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Chapters:
0:00 Intro
0:45 Context
3:09 An Andalus Iberia
9:30 A Fundamentally Different Europe
11:21 About the Reformation
14:04 Al-Andalus and the Future
17:56 A New World
Wanted to remake this for a long time. The Reconquista fundamentally shifted the world, and I wanted to explore in detail a full alternate world where it never happens. Apologies on taking so long, this script took a while.
I also have a second channel now. I talk about pointless stuff, like Battle LA, if you remember that. If you just like hearing me talk about stuff then check it out. th-cam.com/video/WHkednE7TPk/w-d-xo.html
Good job brother love from Pakistan ❤️🇵🇰
Man this channel is ravaged with bots
I just watched the original the other day! A lot of your older stuff is super-duper interesting, and I'd love to see a good chunk of it be remade with higher production quality!
Please do the same for Coptic Egypt if it stayed Christian
@@ikira2464 you’re telling me, minute after I commented, I got a stupid bot.
The British: **land in America**
The natives: "Salam, habibi"
The British: "wtf"
This would be cursed yet very interesting.
The natives: "Wallah walllah, mashallah" 😂
@@Avicerox Habibi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@tekmilletbirummet4808 Akhi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Its nice to see you!!!!!!!!!!!!
The British: go back we got to go back!!!
This feels a lot like trying to predict the entire course of the rest of a Crusader Kings game after playing for 50 years, heh heh
I would say it’s exactly like trying to predict a CK game’s end result
I can't predict the next ten years of a Crusader Kings game at this point. One moment byzantium will conquer everything up to the Chinese border, the next minute they're in a civil war against jews, the next minute the whole of Northern Europe belongs to Croatia.
Most CK2 games usually ends up with either Sunnis or Catholics devouring the entire map tho, so there is a form of predictabily. Which one usually depends on the start dare. The earlier the date, the most likely Sunnis will snowball (especially after decadence was made a non-factor patch after patch). The more you start forward, closer to the Crusades unlock, the more likely Catholics will snowball instead
I don't think this is a prediction rather he just recite what happened during his play session
Literally playing a mega-campaign from CK2 Halfdan White Shirt start right now. One thing led to another and now the British Empire is more of a European Empire.
This scenario has been recreated in 2022 in the form of Morocco beating Spain and Portugal in the World Cup
Wtf👵🏿
And then losing to France
And then Battle of Tours 2-0💀🇫🇷
@@GermanicWorldOrder Your pfp makes little sense to me.
@@NA-AN And I don't need your approval for whatever I put as my pfp
"Hey Cody, what if Moors held Spain?"
"French Dialects"
"Wow, what else?"
"The Dutch are deleted"
"What about things in Al Andalus, could they get to the new world?"
"There can be only one Caliphate... Also yes but I'll discuss that later."
"Yes!"
islam is the only true religion ☪️😍
@@jihadi-against-oppression not really
no
Duh it is, whether you like it or not
@@jihadi-against-oppression meh
So the thing about Asturias is "go around the mountains" wasn't a thing. The reason Asturias survived is cause there were no roads into it, and there were no roads because it was such a hard to get to back water that even the romans couldn't be bothered to build them.
Though in hindsight it was the correct move, were you in the sultan's court and were urging him to cross over, you would have been dismissed from the court for incompetence, and expedition like that would have easily gone badly, and if it did that would have caused the entire kingdom to fall apart.
Quite true. My original point was more to just remove Asturias from the question. Mountains/roads were the main factor as to why the Muslims couldn't take it, and I probably should have worded that better. This is already a tentative scenario as it is, considering how unlikely it'd be the Muslims could have kept Spain. Appreciate the insight.
Could Naval invasion work
@@ahmadsultan4643 i would think a medival beach landing would have worked as long as the muslims had enough troops to make an actual beach head
Maybe if Muslims win Battle of Covadonga, the death all remaining Visigoth nobility will be enough of a blow to cause Asturias to fall apart and be gradually taken over?
Well Cody did say it was unrealistic but Asturias needs to be removed/weakened somehow. So I guess alien space bats.
3:13 Hey! I'm on TV!
I really like ur videos, keep it up
Say hello to the camera
I love your profile picture
I spent several months living in Granada. It's a truly amazing city with rich history and beautiful architecture, yet somehow most people have never even heard of it. It's a must for Spain IMO.
Tell em about Ford Granada, then. 😂😂
Yep Ive also been there
I lived in a Granada for a while. Wasn't bad until the floors rusted out
Damn, when you really think about it, this really is one of the most consequential PODs in history, as Cody mentions. So much of the modern world in this timeline would be unrecognizable without the Catholic Iberian monarchies, the protestant reformation, and the European colonization of the Americas. Mind-blowing.
Oh goodness, this would definitely make a different America.
How so?
@@alexjv1370 most of the Americas speak Spanish
@@jeffreyli7421 You mean French in the video he say that France and Uk speaks French and are the same country so obviously the combined countries could spread much further in americas
@@alexjv1370 Ideologies, values, religions etc. Instead of Liberalism and Secularism. It'd be Sharia Law possibly.
@@zakback9937 I don't think because modern Moraco followed sharia law that means that it's necessarily what would happen in the America's. The Moroccan empire was reasonably tolerant.
This would be a tragedy for Spanish Inquisition memes.
I did not expect this outcome
@@hellothere9407
No one ever does!
A big win for the thousands that died tho
No one except the Sharia police !
It would just be changed to those sharia patrols and secret police checking to make sure men's downstairs hair were cut to the appropriate measurements.
I think it's awesome you remade this. I hope your other videos get the same treatment.
Not saying they are terrible or anything, but there is nothing wrong for with going over something when you're skills improve
I'm hyped for part two!
Bgreat video!
“This all just seems like an elaborate way to make sure the Dutch don’t exist.”
Lmao
An admirable and noble objective
History with Hilbert wants to know your location
Probably Dutch become part of Germany
A successful Al-Andalus is just a way for Moroccans to troll Wilders supporters.
@@hendrikdependrik1891 Hahahaha binnenkort al-Hollandalus
England when they win against France but become french in the process: *I’ve won but at what cost*
They are forced to eat fine cuisine?
@@Edax_Royeaux I do like cuisses de grenouille but I’ve never had Escargot
Do the vikings still go a-viking?
@@Edax_Royeaux Italian food is superior, can't beat pasta, pizza and lasagna. But the french know desserts and wine for sure
Literally I was just looking for a video like this a week ago, I was researching about Reconquista, so good you just uploaded one! Thanks!
Very excited for part 2 :)
Cody: "In this alternate timeline, even without the Portuguese, somebody eventually would find the America's, but that is for another time."
Me: "Sequel?"
Cody: "And yes this is a two part-er."
STOP READING MY MIND CODY.
Nein
Western Europe was bound to find America (Newfoundland) by following the Cod fishing spots.
I'm certainly eager to hear what this alternate Age of Discovery would yield. Presumably "Latin America" as we know it would instead be more of an "Islamic America", which would certainly have strong ideological ramifications in the long run.
@@GmodPlusWoW imagine taking Arabic in school instead of Spanish
In fact, the Vikings beat out Columbus by centuries.
Brave to assume Henry VIII wouldn’t just have a different wife he’d want to divorce
with how much random chance was left up to that point, even odds that he even gets the throne in the first place(and all that snowballs from that point onward)
Annulments happened all the time.
No doubt Henry VIII would have likely had one
But the Pope would likely have accepted it
It's just that in our timeline, Catherine of Aragon happened to be the aunt of the most powerful European king at the time, who just happened to be occupying Rome and keeping the Pope hostage
If so much had happened from the 8th century onwards to the point that the Hundred Year's War of the 14th-15th century never happens, then you can bet there's no Wars of the Roses, no Tudor takeover, and no Henry VIII.
There likely wouldn't be a Henry VIII at all since there wouldn't be a Tudor takeovers as the Tudors wouldn't even exist
Yay! A 2 part series!
I'm still theorizing on you europe wiped out video, thank you for releasing this. Big help.
Two empires, both claiming to be the true Empire, positioned on opposite ends of the Mediterranean with growing reasons to dislike each other?
It’s Rome all over again, just Islamic this time.
The Abbasid and the Ummayed had stronger version of this rivalry
I've seen this one before it's a classic
@@ahmadsultan4643 The caliphate of Cordoba was ruled by Ummayads. When the Abbasids took power, the last Ummayad fled to the Iberian Peninsula.
Just like how the even though the Muslims ottomans conquered eastern rome the eastern Mediterranean vs Persia/Iran continued
Caliphate is not exaclty an empire they simply both claim to be holy leaders of all islam Just imagine 2 popes figthing eachother
Great video as always. One of my favorites for sure. Would be cool if you could do a video on Africa-India relations ive been researching it recently super interesting
Nice efforts 👍 looking forward to more videos 🤠
"You know now that I think about it, this whole alternate timeline really just seems like an elaborate way to make sure the Dutch never exist"
*Nigel Powers has entered the chat*
Can’t touch the Dutch Clutch
🇳🇱🇳🇱🇳🇱🍦🍦🍦
FINALLY! Now there is truly nothing wrong with Belgium!
Foresight for the next topic ending in AltHis-Hub Alternate History Universe.
@@Deridus Belgium are just traitorous catholic dutch who larp as french. Without the dutch you'd just stop larping and actually be as French as the Picards.
Edit: If you don't know what I mean when I say Picards, there's a people and language in the one area of the lowlands that neither Belgium or the Neatherlands ever managed to get back with a people who have been ruled over by the french for quite some time.
@@Piratejoe44 lmao as an Australian I had never conceived of Dutch-Belgian roasting but it makes perfect sense; any two groups who border and have so much in common (language, history, etc.) are going to hate the differences. Like England-Scotland, no? Except the Belgians actually managed to get free.
Another possible historical tangent: With a strong al-Andalus providing a counterweight to Ottoman Turkish rule of the Islamic world, it might be that the fight over the spice trade becomes more about a fight over Egypt than a search for a route to India around back of the world. al-Andalus tries to secure Egypt as an alternate route for the Silk Road, the Ottomans try to stymie them, and it turns into a political clusterfuck.
Moreover, canal projects to connect the Mediterranean and Red Sea were floated a couple times in history, but maybe it's this fight between the Western and Eastern Caliphates that provides the necessary motivation. If the focus stays on the canal and it gets built, suddenly that's the new fulcrum of the world's trade...
Which allows me to play my true endgame card, NEVERENDING GOLDEN AGE OF PIRACY BABY. Pirates of the Aegean! Mediterranean island-hopping, hidden ports of call all through Malaysia, Blackbeard with a turban! It's all coming up pirates!
It will definitely be easier for the ottomans to take egypt
Also we should include that Al Andalus and Abbasids had rivalry against each other so Abbasids allied with Franks while Al Andalus allied with Byzantines. And we already know Ottomans were allied with France. So this would've mean that Al Andalus would either ally with Austria or Commonwealth.
Blackbeard with a turban. I mean there is already Redbeard with a Turban
Plotwist?!
H-How about the Venezia then?
Anyway, this scenario (Golden Age of Mediterranean Pirate) would be a cool concept for novel or game
Awesome video Cody!
Another excellent video!!
I miss your old white back ground. Nostalgic for me man. Sorta like my childhood. I remember when you posted videos and you didn’t speak and it was like a slide show. I think it was like what if Germany won WW2 or won the Battle of Britain. A looooong time ago. But you should redo the rome series if you are redoing videos.
Ha has already redone the Rome series actually. And I recommend you watching it, it's really great.
Btw great profile picture 🇦🇹👑🇭🇺
@@biharek7595
No he did't. He did "What if Rome never existed", which is very different from "what if Rome never fell"
@@marvelfannumber1 oh... sorry, my bad
@@biharek7595 thanks lol
I think Andalusia would heavily antagonize the Ottomans: they would threaten their title of Caliph, and also advance into the Mediterranean Isles for control.
Probably the Mamluks would ask for andalusian help to remain independent, or Andalusia would ally with European states to combat the Ottomans, like the Battle of Lepanto.
What I see will be almost the same thing happened between Safavid Persia and Ottoman. This scenario will have both Ottoman Empire and Al Andalus will always have constant Battle for North Africa especially area around Algeria today. Just like Ottoman-Safavid War that always fought around their border and modern day Iraq
And if there will be Alliance it will also like this Ottoman ally with France and Al Andalus Ally with Austria or Hungry (well depend who the great power in this scenario.)
Probably just like OTL, we'd also see a incredibly strong French-Ottoman relationship, but this time with a competing Hapsburg-Andalusian counterpart.
@@Whatareyoudoinnhere Its depends tho who controls Algeria if Andalus can somehow defeat Ottoman and defend Algeria. But what certain tho I can see Al Andalus rule Morocco even tho I would 100% sure they have full control of the north of Morocco instead and have less control or not even under their rule south of Morocco. based on their OTL history that they once only rule the north to stop Fatimid Caliphate expansion
Also another important thing happening is that the influx of jews and moriscos that were scholars, doctors and more academics the Ottomans received wouldn't happen... since you know, no Spanish Inquisition
@@johnmaulana7027 it's the other way around, morocco controled al andalus for so long and they'd do the same in that different timming
You should start remaking more of the older vids you had some amazing concepts that I’d love to see fleshed out more
Cody: "What if the Muslims kept Spain?"
Portugal: "Am I a joke to you?"
Yeah… “Iberia” is the proper term here
@@ghrtfhfgdfnfg I know. In Europa Universalis IV I only play as Castile if I use a mod I have to create a nation called Iberia when I control all of it
You should do "What if Bismarck never left power and stayed chancellor?" What would European politics be like if the iron chancellor was in charge of Germany instead of Wilhelm II
Ok larper
By the time he was dismissed he was becoming too old to rule, and Bismarck, the ultimate conservative, wouldn't have ever let Germany not have an emperor with a large amount of executive power.
I think a more interesting one would be what if Kaiser Frederick III ruled for longer.
I don't think the path Germany was on (eg. the runaway train of Prussian militarism) could have been avoided. Bismarck was unparalleled in geopolitical skill, and knew when to trust his pragmatism over his nationalism - keeping the balance of power in Europe whilst growing German influence. There simply wasn't anyone suitable to replace him, even if he had hung around into his wheelchair bound years. Weak reformers like Caprivi and blustering jingoists like von Bülow just weren't in the same league. Wilhelm II was always going to get his way.
@@CountScarlioni But what if Frederick III somehow survives throat cancer?
"Somebody would eventually find the Americas" - the Polynesians. If Andalus was even a century later than our own timeline in sailing to the New World, chances are the Polynesians may have set up establishments on the west coast of South America.
Polynesians did reach America before Europeans did. There's evidence of trade, particularly with Andean cultures.
there is already evidence that the polynesians had already touched into the americas. The thing is, either way, their presence wouldnt be nearly as impactful as eventual european colonization. Though, spain's original intention with the native americans was to set up trade routes, so there is a possibility that if cortez doesnt do a cortez, the central american kingdoms and the like would have been around for a bit longer, and their cultural presence would be more considerable.
You cant find something thats been already found, that be like me going to japan and say i found this place because the inhabitants of this place dont look like me.
@@gabbo7101 this is something people often ignore. Cortes left Cuba as a traitor, and would most certainly had been executed on any other circumstance. They had been given clear orders of establishing trade with the Americans.
Then Cortes lied his way through Mesoamerica claiming to be a representative of the Castilian crown, which he was not. If it wasn't for the Tlaxcalans he would have failed. And with that the fate of the indigenous peoples western hemisphere would've been changed forever.
@@Lustratic85
NO you CAN discover a place that other people already know about. You are discovering something that you or your group don't know about, it doesn't matter who knows about it or if there are people living there. Hell you are also discovering that those people exist.
Discovery isn't some sort of shared accomplishment for all of humanity nor is it the first comment on the comment section.
18:56 Sailors:
Ocean: *You’re going to Brazil*
Video idea: During the movie "The Final Countdown (1980)" an aircraft carrier travels back in time to the day of the attack on pearl harbor. At the end of the movie, the carrier returnes to its own time. What if, instead, the carrier stayed back in 1941? How would this have affected the war?
I always love when people Talk about the iberian peninsula
The most least most important part of Europe
@@matthewlong7547... Thanks?
We moors will come back again
@@jihadi-against-oppression only by immigration.
@@jihadi-against-oppression that history is long gone!! Muslims were never true Spainards in the first place
"The English would speak French."
Me, an Englishman: NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
Non you are meant to say non pesky anglo = )
@@blecao ...Fuck. That would've been funnier to say instead of no, now that I think about it. Oh well.
@@gyver8448 jajaja you are welcome
a lot of english words came from french, don't you see that? the frenchman was in you all along!
@@gyver8448 I mean it would be better than speaking this "English"
YESSS I LITERALLY HAD THIS ON MY WISH LIST THANK YOU SO MUCH CODY
I for one am glad he is re visiting his older videos
What if Dad came back with Milk?
Well you would still have a childhood and world history would be immeasurably changed like for example the Inca Empire would survive, South Africa would be a Great Power and Hinduism would be the largest religion in the world........
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@@kaedyn14 well maybe it's some pedophile 30 year old
@@jaroslawkaras7347 I don’t think these kind of bots are made for elementary schoolers tho
Sir this is alternative history hub not impossible history hub
Very interesting video, although as a Portuguese it’s always when someone uses “Spain” when in reference for the whole Peninsula. Iberia, or even Hispania would be better.
One interesting aspect is that the Christian “states” that emerge in the Reconquest, are based on the heterogeneous cultural substratum of the Peninsula, meaning that they are political reflections of local identities. It’s well likely that even if Muslim rule was maintained, distinct cultures would emerge in the Northeast and Northwest, analogous to Galicia-Portugal and Aragon-Catalonia. It’s very probable that political autonomies would emerge here as well, even becoming independent like in our timeline, just in a Muslim version like “Ghalisyya” and ‘“Arajun”.
About the fact that this timeline denies the existence of the Netherlands as we know it. Well, there is another factor. Muslim Iberia was more tolerant to other religions. In our timeline, the Jews were expelled in the XVI century, many migrating precisely to the Netherlands, were they helped finance the emerging Dutch colonial empire. If Iberia had remained Muslim, the Netherlands would probably never become the financial powerhouse they were in our timeline.
Finally I would just despite the claim the 80% of Al-Andalus was Muslim. The elites were, but the population remained largely Christian, although they followed their own rites. They were called the Mozarabs.
Nah bro most were Muslim and yes they did use mozoarabic but the majority were untill like 1100
The Netherlands of that timeline would just be a disunited provinces of German, French, Flemish, Walloon, Frisian, and Burgundian fiefdoms
@@shinsenshogun900 yeah but what would the Netherlands of that timeline be? 😂
@@shinsenshogun900 german*. Both belgium and Netherlands remain part of the holy Roman empire, and will continue speaking dialects of german until germany eventually unifies. The spanish empire habsbrug split will ot happen.
Your right, there will be some autonomous provinces and the population would follow a very mixed faith, with majority being Muslim folowed by Christian and Judaism. The Netherlands would most likely never become the powerhouse of became in our timeline, instead this will further help cordóba.
Real nice Episode bro! Imagine the age of Exploration, kickstarted from the southern hemisphere
10:06 I just noticed it was one of ISP’s videos. Absolutely stellar
Here is an interesting idea: What if the Taiping Heavenly Kingdom had survived long-term?
The Century of Humiliation would have still marched on regardless.
Probably a swift collapse after the founder died, meaning an earlier warlord era. Also, the Taiping would attempt to modernize China, and while they will fail, it would still allow it to develop early, meaning that it might just have a shorter century of humiliation. Oh, and the warlord era would cause a scramble for China by the Europeans, with all the major power backing a few contestants in an attempt to outmaneuver their rivals. This would probably cause an early world war since Russia would annex or vassalize all of the north, causing Britain and Japan to panic, while the heated competition would give the Europeans a lot of opportunities to fight against each other. Oh, and the Taiping might just create a massive "Christian" minority in China, which would alter the whole nation in various different ways.
The Taiping (like most Chinese millenarist insurrections) were insanely unstable, having no real societal organisation besides warfare and relying solely on the charisma of Hong Xiuquan. If they eventually did managed to overthrow the Qing (which they could never unless they have either outside support or other rebellions happening at the same time and joining them), the only two logical outcomes would either be :
1. China fell into chaos as absolutely no one would recognize the weak Taiping state as legitimate, plunging the country in an early warlord era.
2. Someone at the Taiping court that wasn't absolutely crazy manages to take power and consolidate the country, removing all crazy elements from society (first and foremost getting rid of Christianity) and establishing a "regular" Chinese dynasty that could actually have some chance of surviving.
However, China is only weakened by this so the century of humiliation carries on and probably intensifies. I could see for example the Japanese managing to push their "twenty-one demands" on China in this timeline.
Finally I don't think the Taiping would actually help China to modernize, on the contrary while they were "Christian", they also were incredibly xenophobic and traditionalistic, rejecting foreign influences on China. If anything, they would have pushed Chinese isolationism even further.
what about if taiwan retook west taiwan with us help?
jesus would be proud obviously
About how french would become the 'Upper Class Launguage' - It already was. Monarchs from all Western and central europe spoke French. Just like non English people naturally say "OK", Royals and nobility would speak french has the "fancy launguage". It was only in a post-Congress of Vienna(Or dare I Say late 1800s) that English become more widely spoken, mostly due to the Industrial Revolution. We still use some french, like "Coup d'ètat". Why? Because it's damn fancy and makes us seem smart. And that was exactly why the nobility spoke french: To draw a line, clearly marking themselves as superiors.
Lingua franca anyone?
You're absolutely correct. In fact, during a large stretch of Russian history, the Russian aristocracy spoke French instead of Russian. They literally needed translators to speak with their own peasants
French sounds gay, I'm happy English is the language of the world. I prefer Latin and Greek of course but English is a solid choice
@@sergiowinter5383 Eh, english grammar rules are messed up. Then again, numbers in french are just bizarre.
Check my channel for a reply to this video.
Woot, 2 parter!
How about an ''What if the Swedish Empire didn't go to Moscow and instead looked south'' video? Would be interesting I think and you could look at the ''Pax Swedeanica'' alternate timeline for some inspiration :)
"And yes this is a two parter"
*Instant smile on my face*
Spain will never be muslim again,this is history,islam doesn't belong in spain
funny thing mentioning "island French" it actually already exists, its jerriaise a hybrid of the two languages already in use.
Wooow good video Cory
Good video, though i have a small bit that I feel should be brought up: Malta. How would Malta be in this alternate timeline? Malta was an important strategic position in the Mediterranian, and it would not be too much of a stretch to say that control of Malta determined who had access to Sicily and, by extension, the Italian Peninsula. So in this alternate timeline we have to ask who would end up controlling Malta? Would a crusader order like the Hospitallers still hold it and use it as a naval base to mount counter-piracy and corsair skirmishes against the Barbary pirates and Ottoman Navy, and potentially the Andalusian Navy as well? Would there still be a Siege of Malta like in our timeline? Or would it fall to Muslim control and be used as a staging ground for constant invasions and skirmishes into Sicily and the Italian Peninsula?
I know you said you aren't going to go into the nitty-gritty of each nation, but I think that, in this alternate timeline, there is a very real possibility of Malta, Sicily, and potentially Southern Italy, falling to Islamic control.
Cody actually brought up a pretty important here: dynastic linages. Europe's royal families since the time of Charlemagne are heavily intertwined in that all of the royal families are related through generations of intermarriage. In modern-day Europe, the last common ancestor of all current monarchs is Johan Willem Friso, Prince of Orange, and his wife, Marie Louise of Hesse-Kassel, who only lived ~300 years ago. If any of Europe's kingdoms and dynasties were to somehow disappear off the map, then entire successions and lineages would be shifted and changed, and countless marriages and descendants would not exist.
@@anomonyous Yeah, after a couple hundred years, all of Europe's families became related. By the time of the 17th and 18th centuries, it was either marry a cousin, or enter a morganatic marriage and risk losing your titles and lands for your descendants.
good date
¡Olé! I'm so hyped for part two, so happy you remade this.
I noticed that the chapters have is a little bit wrong, its called al Andalus but overall the video was great!
I for one fully support the remaking of old videos.
Muslims will finally have a good World Cup football team ⚽️
JK Also I love that you modelled the Andalusian flag off of Cordoban architecture.
can't imagine the El Classico would be like, definitely not Barca vs Real anymore
@@m.thorton9305 it would've be AL classico between Cordoba vs balencia 😂
Al-Classico lmao
Sergio Ramos = Sirag Rami
Cristiano Ronaldo = Muhammad abdulnado
I literally looked this topic up like an hour before you posted this, it’s glorious
"And yes, this is a two parter".. ME: Let's goooo :') This was awesome!
haha, I wasn't thinking this would be a 2-parter, but I was already idly wondering how it'd be different. Then you go and say that. If I weren't already subbed, I would be just to get that 2nd part.
I'm normally not here this fast. But considering the algorithm messed you up last time, you better believe I'm gonna try my best to support you this time!
If the Muslims kept Spain surely their would be no nude beaches out their!
Spanish Inquisition: *cries intensely*
I like your pfp
@@zosasho8036 thank you
Don’t you mean **cries unexpectedly**
@@yayvideogames8032 yes
I see you're redoing a good few of your vids, some definite improvements! Should do the fallout one next.
Regarding that last bit of the video, there is a book about it in the french series of Alt-Hist books called "Jour J". The specific book is called "Colomb Pacha" and assumes a converted Colomb working for a surviving Emirate of Cordoba.
This is already one of my top favorite videos(two-parter series) from Alt-Hist
A Good Alternative History Video as Always
Keep up the Good Work, Cody 👍
I am Moroccan but I can't imagine life without LaLiga 🤣
Music would be crazy if Spain was Muslim, dude
Imagine what would happend if the Ottomans never conquered the Balkans.
Vodka
The better question
@Klunteng Full,,,, 👇😍 bro what the fuc-
@@kaedyn14 wa
@@kaedyn14 hey you acting sus with dat bot
I loved this video! Great job! Can't wait for part 2!
"This whole timeline seems like an elaborate way to make sure the Dutch never exist"
Well then as a Portuguese I humbly accept our new Muslim overlords with open arms
Not me though
As a Spanish, I agree
Damn ma dude abandoned an entire timeline just because he hates the Dutch
@@ElGrand.Samarkand The hardest choices require the strongest wills
As an Indonesian, thats sounds pretty epic
Very interesting topic, can you do the enxt time "What if Carthage won the punic wars?". That would change Europe as we know it today forever.
Great video Cody! I've been watching your videos since I was about 15. I'm 21 now. Please don't stop.
Granada one of my favorite eu4 playthroughs. I would recommend people to try out ante bellum if you'd like to have this somewhat similar experience of Iberia being Muslim at the start date.
I love Ante Bellum.
@Klunteng Full,,,, 👇😍 yeah your definatly some random bot yeah nice try how about you go to Phub to do that
and change the andalusian tech into western of course
@@m.thorton9305 Or just get Quality ideas 😎
@@AdamNoizer hey i want muslim cavalry in the style of european knight, not some curved sword from turkified east
a video abouta cyberpunk lore would be pretty cool bc it's full of interesting stuff, like this little segment from the wiki "The fall of the Soviet Union at the end of the Cold War leads to a dissemination of nuclear weapons on the black market. Coupled with a US government "deep state" called the Gang of Four, the world soon finds itself in the midst of an economic crisis and the Collapse. Proxy wars, trade wars, and a resurgent Europe butt against the prevailing US world order. Eventually, brief nuclear exchanges and biological warfare around the globe cause the gradual decline of Western civilization. Societies collapse and many governments either dissolve or are reduced to reactionary, petty authoritarian states." again this is all from the wiki but a video about it would be really cool
I think it would be vastly more likely for denmark or england to discover north america through deep sea fishing before Al-Andalus discoveres america, than the other way around. Al-Andalus would be mostly focused on coastal sailing along africa and inland sea trading through the mediterrainian. But england and denmark in our time were deep sea fishing so far out, they were quite significantly closer to north america than europe, starting in the 1300s, but would only reach those extremities by 1400s-1500s. If america isn't discovered by 1600 it's almost a guarantee that either of these 2 would. But it's likely to have happened in the 1500s already if columbus wasn't first.
Wow Cody this was excellant, i'm really looking forward to part 2
I’m really looking forward to Cody redoing his older vids. I wanna see What if the Mongols never existed.
That would be a massive butterfly effect in itself, the Mongols basically wiped the slate clean for most dynasties, and allowed new ones to rise.
or what if they stayed in power for much longer than in our timeline
or just a short one about what if the golden horde branch of the mongols successfully conquered all of europe
It screws with Russian unification and the rise of Moscow over Novgorod for starters- and China and the Levant are going to be better off- Iran is going to be FAR better off. Most the the 'stans (minus eastern Pakistan) are going to remain firmly Iranian/Iranic (not as in Persian, but as in Aryan/Iranian), and Iranic nomadic peoples are going to remain a significant force in northern Eurasia up to and including the Ukraine. OTL Iranic peoples were both greatly reduced and assimilated by Slavic, Turkic, Mongolian, and Germanic peoples- much of that isn't going to happen here, at least not in the same sense. And then finally, no Mongols = no Pax Mongolica- the progression of trade and ideas is going to be considerably lessened. Western Europe is the loser in that case- by and large kind of a backwater then- alternate Russia, Italy if and when it unifies, and the Byzantines if they survive (they have a pretty good shot at it without the Mongols IMO, not due to Mongols having been disastrous for them but rather due to the Mongols having further empowered and spread Turkic peoples- the whole Turko-Mongol synthesis thing) will probably all be more significant- France, Spain (or Andalus, but more likely Spain), England and some power on the Great European Plain (German or Polish, probably) will all still be significant eventually, but not overwhelmingly so.
The Mongols massively depopulated central Asia in particular (bad blood with the Iranic Khwarezmians). So my guesses would be- later and much different unification of Russia/the Eurasian steppe (a Eurasian power, likely centered around some former Kievan Rus state just like OTL); slightly more prosperous China and Arab states, and any ATL version of Iran is going to be massively buffed.
Big winners- Iran, with some chance of the Polish-Lithuanians also capitalizing on later Russian unification enough to take a lead in the process at least in the west, of sorts. Considerably improved situation for China, the Arabs and their golden age, and probably to Italy and the Byzantines- weakening the Turks makes them likely to remain the economic and cultural hearts of Europe for longer and disincentivizes Christian powers from their whole "age of exploration" thing.
Maybe China starts the Industrial Revolution in the 1200s
It's like going from Crusader Kings to Victoria in fast-forward
China, India and Turks become Imperial Powers like the Europeans
WW1 in 1314!!!
It annoys the hell out of me that instead of commiting to one or more alternate timelines and exploring their potential, he just defaults to "I can't predict that" as if he's worried about arguments against his unrealistic and hypothetical scenarios. On a channel about "alternate history".
I think it is basically impossible to predict anything that would happen on a scale this massive
I'm so glad this will have a second part
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Cody: The English language as we know it fundamentally changes in such an important period of development.
Book in the background animation: Я--русская книга.
14:04 i been waiting for u talk about the netherlands/dutch xd
I tried searching on what to do with suggestions, but I've been watching a whole lot of total war but I do have two ideas, not sure if one of them has been done before but the first is... "What if England and France never had the bitter animosity towards each other that they did and how may that have changed the present." idea number one doesn't mean they'd have to be staunch allies but they could be like indifferent to each other and the second one is "What would the world look like if the native tribes of america won."
16:08 I'mma need you to speak up cody
They were both the new rome
I thought that was just some momentary glitch in my earphones lol
It’s best if that line is simply cut out entirely
Looking forward to part 2. Very interesting scenario.
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You probably won't see this but for your part 2 you should try and go in depth of an Iberian Cordoba caliphate in the west vs the Fatimid caliphate of the South (at least until 1517 if not earlier) assuming both Cordoba & Ottomans don't wage war on north Africa to expand their domain much like West & East Rome. As well as the Italian Kingdoms such as Sardinia, Sicily & Venice. Since they would be caught in a 4 way trap. The Cordobans in the west, Ottomans in the east, Fatimids in the south, & the Germanic/Frankish kingdoms in the north. Also with the threat of multiple western powers replaced by just one the Ottomans should hypothetically be able to focus more on advancing themselves while being able to direct more resources against the Iranians. While this is going on the same time the Iranians should be more successful under Nader Shah in plundering the Mughal empire since they would have no competition from Russia from the north or the south from the like of the Spanish, Portuguese, Britain, & even France briefly concerning south & south east Asia. I would assume the Qing would continue to slowly lose power & influence to rising Berber, Turkish, & Iranian powers. Just slower than in our timeline to the Europeans. With Japanese remaining a hermit kingdom much longer like the Goryeans did. Since USA won't exist in this time line, America won't force the Japanese to open their markets to foreigners. Also the Ethiopian empire may or may not fall to the hands of the Ottomans, Iranians, or Cordobans. Perhaps a little bit to all 3 of them; with the deep interior heartland remaining free of occupation. It really depends on how the Ethiopians manage their proto & early industrialization process from 1852 to 1952. Also one other huge major thing we have to remember is since we are talking about the world basically being dominated by theocracies. Not godless secularism/nationalism. Whether monotheistic (Islam & Christianity) or polytheistic like Hinduism. There would be no push for birth control & population control. So contraceptives & infanticide/abortion wouldn't be globally practiced in the modern godless/secular world. Also there wouldn't be a separation of "Church/Masjid/Temple & state" since the 1789 French revolution would have happened nor the USA constitution. Both greatly emphasizing separation of Religion & government. In the late 18th century. Both of which became great powers one colonial the other a superpower hegemon. Spreading their ideas, values, & systems to the rest of the world which was technologically inferior. Going by various estimates from worldometers, UN data, & Wikipedia from 1500 & onwards. Especially from 1950 & forwards the human population in this case would be between 10,412 millions to 10,679 millions . The good news is that we wouldn't have an aging world population. The bad news is that currently we only produce enough food for 10.7 to 10.8 billions people. SO either farming technology would have to advance more quickly than our timeline. Or the vast open spaces not being used right now would be turned into farms. So more unused arable land I would assume lead to more intensive farming practices. With more strain on fresh water (r.i.p. Canada & Russia), fertilizer, mineral soil, & biotic forms of phosphorus. Also in this scenario I imagine the midwest of USA & Canada along with the S.American countries like Argentine, Chile, Uruguay, etc. would see much heavier immigration from Eurabia & Eurasia. Also Australia, Papau new Guinea, & new Zealand would get colonized for their arable land resources for the booming populations of Eurabia & Eurasia with much less regard for managing their own populations, & in general apathy for foreigners in the Americas, sub-Saharan Africa, & Oceania. Personally I feel like this should be a 3 part series. if you want to go really in depth with this part 2 can cover 1492 to 1793 (301 years). & Part 3 1793 to 2021 (228 years). I get it this part 1 basically covered the context leading from the black plague up until the Reconquista. Without Cordoba/Andulus/Grenada falling to the Iberians. With Berbers(Morrocans) & Arabs (Algerians) still in charge of south west Europe half of north Africa & half of the Mediterranean Sea up until the Italian kingdoms. While on the opposite side controlled by the Ottomans from the East (Anatolia/Hattistan) up to the Italian kingdoms. With north African states trying not to be assimilated into one of 2 great powers. I hope this helps if you do read it.
this was really interesting
Great video and I can imagine why you have chosen not to elaborate on the Ottoman Empire and their further expansion into Europe after the fall of Constantinople, because it is a complicated calculation. Indeed, the lack of a Spanish armada puts the Ottomans at an advantage on the sea at least on paper, because removing the spaniards from Lepanto is basically giving the turks a free win (provided that Al-Andalus does not participate against them!). However, in land it is VERY difficult to hypothesize an outcome: you could assume Habsburgs would be weaker (no dynastic ties to Spain, reduced impact on the HRE) making things easier for the turks, but you have to consider as well that the lack of Reformation also implies a more stable central Europe and, more importantly, no wars of religion, particularly the desvastating Thirty Years War. In any case it is a fun scenario to hypothesize with and it was a good effort. I hope to see the second part soon!
That's the thing with alternate histories, it's nearly goddamn impossible to predict.
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Even wothout spaniards there wpuld still be the arch enemy of the ottomand. Venice!
While I'm a big fan of Cody's work, I have to say that I disagree with one of the underlying assumptions of this video. The northern Christian kingdoms of Iberia we're not constantly and consistently pushing Southward throughout the entirety of Andalusian history, in fact throughout most of their history Andalusia had fairly strong Geographic protection from the north in the form of the Central and Iberian Mountain chains of Spain (yes that's what they're called).
I bring this up because there was actually a much more natural point of Divergence much later in Andalusian history involving a war over the succession of Muslim Toledo between Leon and Seville. Leon ended up winning this war and it was because of that they were able to unite the rest of the peninsula, so it stands to reason that if Seville had won the war they would at least be able to unite the southern half over the peninsula under new Muslim rulership.
Interesting point and perspective!
Or just the caliphate not imploding after the death of Almazor. Prior to that point Christians had barely advanced.
i would put the divergence on the fall of the caliphate into Taifas more than in the conquest of Toledo
Another more natural point of divergence could also have been the reign of Hisham II through Hajib Almanzor. If I remember correctly, even though the Caliph was basically a figurehead during his reign, it still represented the peak of power for Cordoba, and Almanzor essentially reduced the northern Christian kingdoms to a state of indefinite vassalage, sacking their capitals multiple times and pushing the borders slightly further north. He didn't conquer the cities because garrisoning them would have been more expensive than just plundering and returning home. However a more conquest bent rather than raid focused foreign policy could have changed that.
@Fajr Core That is also common on the western (for example in spain it was called pena ha galeras)but your dont talk about other of the main sources of slaves that where the batles and the raids across the mediterranean coast
Your pronunciation of Granada is interesting. Greeting from that same city!
Its called ghirnata
Such a cool video
My favorite way to see how this plays out is in Europa Universalis, playing as the Ottomans and assisting Granada in reclaiming Spain. This prevents any Spanish or Portuguese colonization in the New World.
So English and French domination
@@redwolf915 atleast French mexico or English brazil is better
@@muhammadomar9487 French mexico is just a sin goo thing it didn't happen
"And yes, there's a part 2" - HELL YES!
Nobody expects the Spanish jihad...
Is that a bad thing or a good thing?
Jihads are arabs andalus conquerors are amazigh
@@nervoiza what?
I like it whenever I see one of your videos and it's on a subject I've thought about a lot, kinda like i can see what my score is 😹😹
I learned more on the alternate history hub than I ever did in history class
Just don't cross the history streams on exams
The Ummayads were amazing, in just a few years they had an empire from France to India
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Even to the borders of China
depends where you draw the line regarding india, also there were many kingdoms in the way between the umayydis and the franks, so your claim of boardering france would also be wrong. The ummayyids also collapsed shortly after, and were so decadent and corrupt that a giant, large-scale revolution was able to overthrow them. Abbassids are way better then umayyids, btw.
I write fantasy books. I think it is interesting how much overlap there is between what you do for these videos and what I do when worldbuilding.
I’m going to Mexico in two weeks and I’m wondering: had this scenario happened, would I be speaking my mother tongue there, Arabic, instead of my current humble level of Spanish?
If so then ho ho boy you wouldn't have had even that "humble level", you would have STRUGGLED...apparently it's the second hardest language to learn for English speakers after Chinese.
You would speak Mozarabic which is in essence Ibero-Romance which predated Spanish and Portuguese plus Arabic influence