The kievan Rus is basically the eastern slavic equivalent of the western roman empire to Spain, Portugal, Italy and France. All east slavs trace their heritage there, but it doesn't belong to any of them specifically.
Also in other news... if Russia became Muslim, then the Cold War would've become a religious war @.@ (Though the question remains whether or not there would've even been a cold war. Would communism even be incentivized to form in this new russia?)
I'm Muslim, and one of my religious teachers at school told me that Russia "almost" became Islamic. I always thought there was something suspect abt that statement, this video explains why.
@@karantikoo9302 Chechnya, Tatarstan and the like are pretty devout. I wasn't talking about other "states", if you didn't mean oblasts of Russia, I don't know how devout people in Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Turkmenistan and the like are, I was only speaking for Russia. Russia is a pretty damn muslim country. And if we were to judge how muslim countries are by how much people there drink, there probably wouldn't be any muslim countries whatsoever..
Funnily enough even without being Muslim some Russian tsars used to call themselves sultans when addressing Muslim monarchs and/or nations. They also called themselves padishahs and hakans. There are 2 tughras(calligraphic autograph sort of) of Peter the Great for example. In one he is called "Peter son of Aleksej Sultan of two norths and hakan of two seas" and in another, he is called "Peter the First son of Aleksej, Padishah of Rus".
The topic wouldn't be so sudden, of course; our religion starts with prohibitions automatically to avoid any aggressive reactions. @@davidibidokun2693
Still can't believe this dude's grandmother was St. Olga, one the most hardcore lady saints. Like... she's literally the Patron Saint of Vengeance. I remember reading about how she created a trench to burry a bunch of soldiers from a nation that killed her husband and then burned the leaders to death by locking them in her castle. I honestly think those "vibes" partly came from there. He might've done some research on her.
Just because of drink please don't give up Islam only true religion In sha Allah in paradise Jannat we will drink more greater better drink forever We don't know when we will die accept Islam and become muslim May Allah give you hidayat - Aameen
I think we would see a Kievan Russ collapse, and divided among different princes, some staying Pagan, some turning Catholic, others Orthodox, and others Islamic in order to either gain foreign support, allies, and trade partners or some stubbornly sticking to their Pagan traditions. In the long term I believe this would consolidate Russia into 2 to 4 nations, with the most likely to stick around in my opinion being Islamic Russia, and Catholic Russia with Orthodox Russian Princes being conquered due to the collapse of Eastern Rome. And the Pagans being pushed out due to the lack of religiously motivated allys smoothing relations. While nations were more then willing to work with other faiths, it made things a lot easier and would have a major impact in my opinion. The interesting thing here is, the Pagan Russians instead of being wiped out, might be forced to migrate east, into Siberia to escape persecutions and become a centerpoint of a Siberian pagan nation or series of nations with the Christian and Islamic Russians focusing on the richer lands west of the Urals and on conquering lands from each other.
Interesting, so how do the mongols factor in? Like Cody said they're coming werther or not Vladimir the Great chooses any religion. Which it's important to say that the conquest east was seen as defensive, "the Tatars can't invade us if we occupy their land"
@@Thatonepersonyouheard Id imagine something similar of the occupy them first variety, however the warfare would likely be alot more brutal and a far more gradual march/conquest eastwards in my opinion. Though there is always the possibility that these Pagan Russians get conquered by the mongols/tatars but I dont believe that would last long term due to the collapseing Mongolian empire/s
@@hakced No way to truly predict how well it would go though, but no matter what it would make for some interesting wars fighting the mongols and other groups to carve out a new nation.
Russian would look like nowadays middle east always at war with each other as they are muslim and islam the 2 worst allah trash cultures who won't see a win in the next war and will be a central target to be wiped out as they have been the cause of everyone's problems and the west is waking up to that and are starting to no want them Canada being one of thos as they pushed terrorist views for the 5 years and its coming to bit terrorist like muslims and islam
Something to keep in mind with Vladimir choosing Orthodoxy is that he was raised primarily by his grandmother, Olga (either a Bulgarian princess or a Viking of Pskov, depending on who you ask), who was a devout Orthodox Christian and even lead a delegation to Constantinople to meet the Emperor. So, Vladimir was likely already Orthodox privately before he enforced Christianity on Kievan Rus. P.S., the Cyrillic alphabet is a Bulgarian-Slavic alphabet, established by Cyril's pupils during the First Bulgarian Golden Age. It's based on the Glagolic alphabet, which IS a Greek-created alphabet, created by Cyril and Methodius to serve as a alphabet for the slavic peoples the Byzantine alphabet was trying to convert to Orthodox in Christianity power politics.
He wasn't orthodox, because before adopting christianity he tried to reform slavic paganism, but failed, because different tribes tended to worship different gods
Just because of drink please don't give up Islam only true religion In sha Allah in paradise Jannat we will drink more greater better drink forever We don't know when we will die accept Islam and become muslim May Allah give you hidayat - Aameen
Gotta love the deep dives into alternative stuff. Very fascinating conversation while also every now and then picking up more knowledge on history that I missed on
I have you one better, Cody: What if Japan converted to Muslim in 1906? "In 1906, widespread campaigns were aimed at Muslim nations with journals reporting that a Congress of religions was to be held in Japan where the Japanese would seriously consider adopting Islam as the national religion and that the Emperor was at the point of becoming a Muslim"
Japanese mythology would be changed, Muhammad would be connected to Jimmu, and they will make their mythology a mixture of Monotheism like how Africans kept Orulun as creator God as Muslims and Christians.
@@user-op8fg3ny3j “true like the time england nearly converted” so not true then. because england was never really (until the modern day lol) close to converting to islam. It was just what one diplomat said, the king never had any plans to
I think the most interesting part of this scenario would be Russia's modern relationship with Afganistan, Chechnia, and Syria, it could even lead to America never declaring the "war on terrorism", beacause they would risk bothering Russia too much
Well, in that perspective Russia would have never allied with Serbia, that alone would already had a great effect on the landscape of the Balkan Wars and relationship with the US.
BTW, was there any way the US could have become a Muslim-majority country? Such as the founding fathers accepting Islam and convincing people to follow them as to separate themselves from Britain?
@@calebr7199 With Danish controlling exit from Baltic sea, expansionist Sweden on the west, frozen waters on the north, uninhabitable lands for large settlements on the east and no way to the south? How it can become "colonial"?
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You can hear how painful this scenario is in his voice. But I do find it as an interesting scenario, perhaps if the Rus go south of the caucases, maybe a military alliance with Persia could stop the Ottamans from gaining a lot of power
The Rus' and Ottomans don't overlap periodically and "Persia" didn't even exist it was dominated by Ilkhanid Mongols, Timurids, and White Sheep Turcomans
@@nenenindonu it was controlled mostly by the buyids at the time, who were persian. Then later a part of the turkish seljuk empire, who became pretty quickly persianized. The Ilkhanate came pretty later down the line.
Actually I think the Russians allying with the Ottomans would make for a interesting part 2. If the Ottomans have a sizable ally in Europe to help them, just imagine how much further their conquests would get them. You could potentially have most of Eastern Europe living under an Islamic government, which would potentially cause Catholic Europe to explode. In fact, if that were to happen I could see most of Europe coming together to help stop the assault, as if it were a 2nd invasion by the Mongols that everyone feared.
Or you end up with Protestant Europe leaving them to their fate, and you get Islam and Protestantism as the main religions of Europe with Catholicism relegated to a few small holdouts. (Maybe Italy)
@@johnwbh I could actually see the Protestant Reformation being put off longer due to the increased presence of Islam. I mean even if the Spanish complete the Reconquesta that still leaves a sizable Islamic presence in Europe which I think would increase the idea of unity among the Catholic Church. In fact I could see the Crusades not happening or happening less because of an Islamic Russian presence
The Ottomans already ruled eastern and central Europe and the Mediterranean countries even western Europe, such as France, and they paid a lot of tribute to the Ottomans to be lenient with them and win them as allies in the 16 c ,,, Imagine, with the help of Russia, they would rule all of Europe, and there would be no room for colonization trips to take place in the New World ,,,,,
I’m actually legitimately interested in what would have happened if Russia was a Jewish nation honestly. Imagine how differently history would have played out if one of the most pre-eminent European powers in Eastern Europe was Jewish. How would that affect diasporic communities in the rest of Europe? Would Russia be seen as a contemporary to Europe? And the biggest elephant in the room: how would the lack of anti-semitism in Russia affect the history of Zionism, as some of the earliest Zionist thinkers find their origins in the Russian Pogroms
If Russia had picked Islam, I'd imagine the Northern Crusades would have gotten a lot more worldwide and interesting to say the least with Islamic forces fighting both the Pagan Lithuanians and Christian crusaders
Islamic slavs vs Pagan slavs vs Christian slavs vs Christian crusaders vs pagan lithuanians vs christian lithuanians vs pagan lithuanians vs other muslims
On the ideas for part 2, mostly regarding Russian/Slavic culture and their policies against the Ottomans: In a case of an Islamic Russia, it is a very real possibility that the entire rest of Slavdom and Greece become Catholic. Before the rise of Russia and the Ottoman conquest, the cultural centres of the Slavic world were in Bohemia for the West Slavs and Bulgaria and more specifically Preslav and later Turnovgrad for the South and East Slavs, furthered by the fall of Kyiv under Mongol rule, to the point that we have surviving letters of Russian nobles negotiating buying religious texts at ridiculous prices ither from Byzantium with Bulgaria as the middleman or directly from them, and the Cyrillic alphabet, which was made by Bulgarians on the basis of the Greek alphabet and the Greek but more Czech-ish Glagolitic alphabet became dominant in the Kyivan Rus and the rest of the Orthodox world. The point at which this starts to change is when you remember that, back in the 1200s, Bulgaria went Catholic to counter the Byzantines and get their titles recognised before returning to Orthodoxy because of the IV Crusade and that Byzantium did the exact same thing right before being conquered by the Turks. Without Russia to escape to like in OTL, after the Turks conquer Constantinopole, the Orthodox churches would be forced to escape either to Italy (which admittedly also happened OTL and helped the Renaissance but that's besides the point) or remain alone under foreign, Islamic rule, both options leading to an eventuallity of submitting to Rome's dominion. I doubt the Greeks, Serbs, Bulgarians etc. would instantly give up all of their church traditions, as after all they were already centuries entrenched into the societies, rather I envision something similiar to OTL's Uniats or Eastern Catholic churches, keeping most of the traditions and practices of Orthodoxy but remaining in communion with the Pope, although seeing their disantvantageous possition the Orthodox churches would probably be forced to give up more. This whole ordeal would probably also lead to another domino effect, causing Western Europe to be more like the East culturally, considering that OTL the brain-drain from Byzantium and Bulgaria led to ridiculous things like a Bulgarian being Patriarch of Kyiv, many churches straight up just teaching entirely and exclusively in Greek up until Peter the Great forced them not to and Russian writting remaining almost entirely different from the common speech even of the aristocracy, being a sort of weird mix of South and East Slavic or what we now call "Old Church Slavonic" (which is confusing because it's also different from the original Slavic writting and language even tho it's lumped in with them under the language umbrella term), so I expect similliar effects in the West from Greek aristocracy. Okay now comes the part that's actually about Russia. To answer a question you asked in the video, the title of the Russian ruler would remain tsar (or maybe a slightly alternate version due to palatilization like chesar or kesar as was rarely found in OTL) but not because of Roman influence but because the word had already entered into Common Slavic trough Gothic (maybe we're not fully sure) and/or Proto-Germanic by the time the split of Proto-Slavic happened. Without and Orthodox justification, Russia would probably not be that willing to fight the Ottomans, or atleast over Constantinopole, because while there still would be an incentive, they would have no use for hostile Christian territory that is mostly useful for trade with the unwilling Europeans, or atleast not as easy as, like you said, the Volga river. Same things would probably be true for North and Baltic sea trade. With this boxed in situation, I imagine Russia would probably give up on interactions with the West rather quickly, choosing to focus on pushing trough the Caucasus and Siberia way earlier and way faster than OTL, taking a defensive stance in the West. Most likely, Russia's political centre would also move farther East to, possibly to the rich trading centres of the Bulgars like Bolghar or Kazan or maybe even further into newly founded cities on the frontier. I believe that this earlier expansion would also put Russia in an incredibly strong possition, as having their focus East would probably lead to them reaching China just around the time of the gradual fall of the Ming and rise of the Qing. Subsequently, while I don't think a Russian presence would lead to the Ming being saved, I can certainly see Russia grabbing Mongolia and parts of Manchuria and the Atlantic coast while taking advantage of the Chinese wars, leading to an either even more closed off China or an incredibly aggresive one and a similiar relationship with Japan, I really can't tell since i've already went so far away from the point of divergence in this comment put I think it's an interesting thing to think about. All while this happening, I think Russia would at some point in the 1600s also start aggresively moving South, but this time not so much towards Crimea (although yeah I think they'd still probably want that) but more towards Persia, who I think, trough being the closest trade partner of Russia and middleman between them and Arabia, would have a great influence on Russian culture and geopolitics. During this time, the Ottomans were starting to greatly weaken the Persian state and conquer much of their Western land, which would in no doubt effect Russia, and as such I believe that they would probably take advantage by allying or even eventually vassalising the Persians and helping them greatly in the wars against the Ottomans, which would probably end in victory for them and eventual conquest of rich lands like Iraq and the Gulf under Persian/Russian control and make the Ottomans focus way more on their Eastern frontiers and probably even weaken places like the Sultanate of Oman trough the resurgance of Persia as a major player in the Persian gulf even before the age of colonialism and **o i l** in the region. I could go way further with my ideas that this great video inspired, since they truly are many like what would happen with Poland or Sweden but I don't think i'm educated enough on that front (or for basically most of what I said for that matter) and I am really excited to see Cody's ideas on all of this, so i'll leave it off like this. Incredible video, I hope I have been helpful and I can't wait to see part 2. If you read this Cody, good job big guy. TLDR: Russia is even more Asian lmao
It should be also mentioned that Vladimir's grandmother Olga (also a canonised Saint) was a Christian as well as semi-legenary chiefs Askold and Dyre .
Askold and Dir didn't stick around, since they were murdered by Oleg, and Olga of Kiev's religion was not followed by her son, who feared that his warriors would laugh at him for converting to such a "peaceful" religion.
@@stepanokhrimenko9189 The Rus were traditionally tolerant of other religions, when Sviatoslav I conquered Bulgaria, he allowed the Bulgarian tsar and his state to exist as a vassal under his rule, as he intended to use Bulgaria and its resources to conquer the Byzantine Empire.
Novogrod was in the Kievan Rus but it had high autonomy, it was after the Mongols invaded that Novogrod became an almost independent country, and I say almost because the Mongols forced the local Duke to pay tribute to them
But yeah if they didn’t unite I would think there would be less ethnicity wars in the future because right now many Ukrainians think that Russians are just mongols that took over kievan rus
Vladimir the Great in our timeline: "Drinking is the joy of the Rus. We cannot exist without the pleasure." Vladimir the Great in the alternate timeline: "Okay, but what if it did?" *creates a new sect of Islam purely to allow drinking.*
Honestly it is a wild card? Also for reminder country what killed Teutonic knights was Poland. So they would most likely try size Novgorod instead instead dealing with Russia.
Cody Central Asia had plenty of great cities Also the title Tsar exist in Persian (khosro) or they could use the word shah Could be adopted by Russians in case of Persian influence See Persian Central Asia Edit: alcohol is pretty important in sufism (basically mystical islam) so that could be interesting
@@boygenius538_8 I live in Iran so I've seen plenty who do drink (we drink more than Russians do) The sufi literature frequently mentions wine and sufis are not as strict when it comes to sharia
@@johnwbh maybe but truth be told shiaism is basically just Persian hatred for Islam we aren't real Muslims Also a shia russia wouldn't be too good for us since if they think of themselves as true shia state they'll invade more than they did in real life
So, I started thinking a bit about how people could see Brittain from the French coast, what if you did a video on a scenario where Brittain was actually just further enough away that the white cliffs of dover were not visible? Like it could be a non-romanized isle, Brittany could have been more Pagan than Catholic. It is just an interesting thought experiment tbh
Here's an idea 12:00. You previously noted how Russia is instead being largely based on Byzantine and Roman styles, but would instead have a far closer connection to Muslim Persia. So how about they take on the title of Shah?
@@finalMadfox khan was turkic and the first rus rulers called themselves khagans. their were khanates in eastern europe way before the mongols (like avar khanate)
Could you examine an alternate 1066 where Harald Hardrada wins the English crown and his descendants hold onto it? So much of medieval and modern English culture is based out of the Norman/French customs that William and his heirs brought to English society. Things like personal names, architecture, language, and more have very obvious French/Norman roots (think about why there are more Englishmen nowadays named Richard instead of Æthelræd). One of the famous rivalries in history, the one between France and England, was born largely out of the dynastic disputes that followed after a Norman Duke, who owed loyalty to the French King, became King of England. Now, what if Norwegian culture was like that instead? The English language already has a few words borrowed from Old Norse from Viking invasions, but what if that was taken further, making English more closely resemble modern Norwegian? Would English wars not be fought across the English Channel, but instead across the North Sea? Instead of English kings claiming the throne of France, they might instead claim the throne of Norway? Or perhaps Denmark or Sweden? What relations might a Norse aristocracy in England have with the Kings of Scotland and the Irish? What about the British Empire? What would it would like and how might it operate, if it even existed at all?
One thing is certain, if Russia was a Muslim nation there wouldn’t be anywhere near the amount of alcoholism that has existed throughout their history.
What gets crazy to me is how the scenario of Islamic russia uniting (except for Novgorod) and holding together the same way they did in our timeline and how it changes 19th century to present day history. How would that affect WW1? Novogorod being a player also opens up fascinating possibilities. Like the central powers seeing them as basically “true russia” or maybe Novogord gets ambitions of conqu- I mean reclaiming old Russia. Maybe in the past years they petition for crusades again and again. But how does that effect everything with Poland? It’s unlikely because of Poland but what happens if Novgorod embraces the reformation and becomes Lutheran or Reformed? How does it affect WW2? Kinda depends I guess how who they side with in WW1. But imagine this: the Russian civil war still happens in this alternate timeline but it’s against an islamic state. So islam is more widely seen as the imperialist enemy that must be brought down. This could see “white” (or maybe they’re “green” in this case?) army fleeing into Novgorod and bringing islamic influences with them, while the newly established Soviet Union actually looks to spread SOUTH towards other Muslim nations. So what happens to Turkey? What happens to Iran? Etc. and if communism is so busy looking south and not at Europe proper, do the nazis even feel threatened by it? Does Europe? If they don’t or feel threatened by socialism but see communism as a strange eastern mutation of it, then perhaps something like operation Barbarossa doesn’t actually happen. Lebensraum is achieved by conquering Poland and Novgorod and the countries like Estonia and Latvia. I think this whole scenario has Russia facing south and East. Their march over the Urals may come sooner in this time and I imagine more frequent wars with Japan. But does an Islamic Russian army fight the Asians for national purposes or for jihad purposes? And if they succeed? Does Japan become muslim? And what a wrench THAT throws into the 20th century as we know it. Imagine Islamic Russians breaking Japan’s isolation. Or turning them Muslim before they isolated. A Japan without their paganism and emperor worship up and into the 20th century I imagine means potentially no radical expansion into China. It completely changes everything but also if somehow they end up as America’s enemy in WW2, the war takes on a very different view. America is seen as a Christian nation and sees itself the same way just with religious liberty essentially. Does that mean WW2 in the pacific takes on a religious aspect of the Christian West vs the Muslim East? Interesting stuff. The butterfly effect for this one is insane lol.
In reality, the Kievan Rus were forced to start conversions to Orthodox Christianity after a war with Byzantium. It was a draw, but one of the terms of the treaty was that Greek merchants and church had freedom of movement and operation in Russia. This is how conversion started.
Fun fact history was my least favorite subject in school this channel alone has woken me up to the whole subject. Never thought it was possible but alternate history hub did it.
i feel like few people like history because of school lol. Somehow they always manage to make it seem rather uninteresting, but when you dig deep into it, you realize how fascinating it actually is.
What if Japan didn't ally themselves with Nazi Germany, did not expand into SEA/further China (I. E only Manchuria, Korea, and Taiwan) and therefore kept out of WWII against the U.S?
Eh? Alliance with Axis exist only on the paper. Ironically Poland was more important ally of Japan then Germany (yes, weird). Pacific War exist largely as separate event and was about oil. Not about supporting Germans. Focusing on navy instead land would only marginally improve they position against US. Arguably desolation of Manchuria bring Japan additional wealth and buffer against Soviets. So I do not see that as much of improvement.
The only way for this to be possible is for a purge of both the military elements and the political factions that support them. Only a strong stable non-imperialist government would have the ability to prevent the military from going out of control.
no... unless the goverment wasnt overtaken I hardly see that ever happening. Aint no way a bunch of former samurai and fanatics would overthrow democracy and then just do absolutely nothing
I like the idea of two Russias--one Catholic and Northern, the other Muslim and with links into Central Asia and the Middle East. Presumably, Muslim Russia is able to expand eastward like the historical Tsars did, especially if they're blocked by the Christians in Eastern Europe. We likely see a Muslim Russia with a less ambiguous transcontinental heritage that the modern Russia displays, more comfortably identifying with "Asia" or at least not being European. Ironically, they also feud with the Ottomans even more than historical Russia did. They probably also hang on to Alaska, should they ever stake a claim to it. Would Catholic Russia go Protestant under Scandinavian influence, or would a stronger Poland-Lithuania keep them Catholic? I think the former is more likely, especially due to the Baltic trade. The Swedes wind up consistently allying with the Russians in this timeline, which presumably prolongs their regional dominance into the 18th century. And speaking of the Baltic, Christian Russia probably incorporates what is now Livonia and Estonia into its realm, at the very least following the decline of Sweden. The Northern Crusades having already been redirected somewhat southward towards Moscow means there is a greater history of cooperation between this Russia and neighboring Slavs. By the modern day, Christian Russia presumably has the more impressive recent history due to their closer ties with Europe. In a Great War they probably tried dismembering their Muslim counterpart into spheres of influence like what happened with the Ottomans and Great Britain and France, though with somewhat greater success than the latter powers found.
Working off of the idea of Novgorod remaining separate from Kiev, in the 17th century and onward, would Novgorod become Lutheran (or some other form of Protestantism)? Would there be a "Great Northern War of Religion" because of it, involving at least Novgorod, Poland-Lithuania, and Sweden? I really like this general concept of an Islamic "Russia" (really Islamic Kiev in this case) because of how open ended it is. Good job Cody!
The biggest change is that there wouldn't be any german blood in the Russian Tsars. Nicholas ll had 16 great great grandparents. 11 of them were German, 3 where Danish, 1 was Welsh, and 1 was Russian. On top of that Nicholas ll married a german wife. There have been a ton of German emperors of Russia and that cultural interaction would not occur due to the religious differences. Russia would be stuck in the middle of archaic, bizarre medieval Islamic theological conflicts instead of archaic, bizarre medieval Christian theological conflicts. For example, Muslims debated over whether the Quran had to be read in Arabic or if you could allow people to read it in their own native language. Christians had their own debate over whether the Bible had to be read in Latin that was solved for good when Martin Luther translated the bible in German, the language most people spoke. Muslims debated whether the Islamic call to prayer had to be in Arabic. Russia would certainly reject the Cyrillic alphabet in favor of the Persian alphabet. Theoretically, the Russians could convert to the Arabic Alphabet but Persia is closer and more accessible. Aside from the ban on alcohol, Muslims also debated the whether painting a picture of somebody was a sin. Most believed this created a graven image which was banned.
What interests me is how this would affect the Baltic. Novgorod separating from Russia and adopting Christianity would have two other major effects you didn't mention. First, Novgorod was a republic, and while not democratic in the modern sense, this could have laid the groundwork for a democratic northern Russia in the modern age. As for the Livonian Order, I think they still would've fallen, conquered either by the Poles or the Swedes (or maybe Novgorod if relations break down). But the biggest impact in the north is Sweden. Without Russian pressure from the East, Sweden would face far fewer threats. This means that there is a very real possibility that Sweden doesn't get decimated by the Great Northern War and instead continues on as a major power into the 19th century. Perhaps Finland then never separates from Sweden.
I think one of the most interesting points in this scenario for me are the other slavs, like you said with no Russia to influence them I could see most of the "Yugoslavs" becoming catholic since the beeg slav state is Poland now, and of course I could not mention the Polish lebensraum that would definitely see panslavism being a stronger ideology since there's just Hungary between the balkans and the PLC, and how it's the duty of the poles to do a reconquista of the rus to reunite all the slavs under their true lord Jesus or something like that.
No one will see this comment, but in Russia they teach us that Byzantine Empire at that time said Vlad that if he want to marry his daughter he need to embrace orthodoxy and also he needed the alliance with Byzantine so.
I feel like Cody was expecting the what if Russia became Muslim vid to win but to his surprise it didn't. That or this guy is fast as f considering the poll was like 2 weeks ago 💀
I think if an Islamic Russia followed a similar path into the colonial age, it might be interesting to see if they’d want to try and establish a colony in Indonesia, fighting the Dutch for it, along with them trying to spread Islam to China and Japan
Japan's emperor did considered converting to islam (QUOTING WIKIPED "in the late Meiji period, close relations were forged between Japanese military elites with an Asianist agenda and Muslims to find a common cause with those suffering under the yoke of Western hegemony.[16] In 1906, widespread propaganda campaigns were aimed at Muslim nations with journals reporting that a Congress of religions was to be held in Japan where the Japanese would seriously consider adopting Islam as the national religion and that the Emperor was at the point of becoming a Muslim.[17]")
It is important to remember that by the time the Rus were choosing their religion going forward, the Hanafi school of jurisprudence in Islam allowed drinking at the time. This school of thought is not only the most popular in Islam to this day but it's the school of thought among Russian, Bosnian, Turkish, and Central Asian Muslims, i.e. the whole region up there. So it's probable that even if they continued drinking, it would not be too alienating to the rest of the Muslim world. You make a good point about how not only religion but connection to Byzantium is so core to what became Russian identity that a Muslim Russia is so different for that lack of Byzantine identity. However, I think it'd be interesting to wonder if Russia would cling more to their East Slavic ancestry in this alternate timeline without a Byzantine Empire to tie their identity to.
Could you source that, this sounds like major cap as I highly doubt a major Madhab allowed drinking as it is incredibly explicitly and obviously prohibited in the Quran.
The Hanafi do not permit drunkenness, but rather they tolerate a small degree of alcohol in brewing drinks, while the rest of the Islamic schools reject any alcoholic content
Small Correction: The Cyrillic Alphabet was not made by the Greeks, it was made by the Bulgarians. This is a common misconception because of its name but it wasn't actually made by Cyril and Methodius but was actually made by their Bulgarian students in Preslav the then capital of the nation. Also kinda disappointing how you didn't really cover the Bulgarian role in the Christianisation of the Rus as it was quite major in it, in fact it's the main reason the people not the state were Christianised due to the spread of the previously mentioned Cyrillic but also Old Church Slavonic/Old Bulgarian in the nation, the first Slavic literary and liturgical language which really helped out. You were right on the Volga Bulgar one though and hell they were even one of the major nations trying to influence the Rus pick on which religion to choose as their main one.
Only Bulgarian scientists consider them Bulgarians. They proceed from the fact that since they knew the Slavic language, they are immediately Bulgarians (then why not Serbs, for example). According to this logic, a Russian-speaking Armenian can be counted among Russians - this is nonsense It is almost impossible to accurately determine the ethnicity of Cyril and Methodius in multinational Byzantium, although disputes on this issue continue to this day. According to one of the common versions, the equal-to-the-apostles brothers were of Greek origin[7]. In the XIX century, Slavic scientists (Mikhail Pogodin, Hermenegild Irechek) defended their Slavic origin[8][9], based on their excellent command of the Slavic language - a circumstance that is considered insufficient evidence today[10]. The Bulgarian tradition calls the brothers Bulgarians (to which the Macedonian Slavs were also counted until the XX century), relying, in particular, on the famous "Life of Cyril" (in a late edition), where it is said that he "came from Solouna grad"; this idea is supported by many modern Bulgarian scientists[10][11].
@@secretbunnie2206 Cyril and Methodius were not Bulgarians but Roman Slavic Christians and that's what they'd identify with most likely. But they didn't make the Cyrillic, they made the Glagolitic. Their Bulgarian students made the Cyrillic in Bulgaria under order of the Bulgarian Tsar (Also the first Tsar in history).
Hey Cody, when are we getting "What if Japan had remained neutral in WW2?" or "What if Japan had been part of the Allies in WW2?" It's very much needed and would be really nice to watch.
Here's a controversial idea that i bet would get a lot of clicks: "What if the Novorossiya Confederacy formed?" Just as speculation obviously, it didnt happen because only 2 of the planned 4 People's Republics survived. Slava Ukraini.
The neighboring polities of the Rus', Volga Bulgars, and Khazars all ended up adopting different Abrahamic religions which were Christianity, Islam, and Judaism respectively :D
This probably should go along a couple of different lines . . . exploring different reactions to the conversion. The one that seems most viable to me is that Russia splits into eastern and western trading hubs. That leads to a different set of early alliances and the Eastern Slaves finding rich trade relationships with the Turks and other Muslim groups prior to them all being conquered by the mongols and further wielded together by the shared experience/enemy.
If the Rus' went Muslim, I doubt they'd have been able to extend their control down to the Caspian Sea as you suggested. The Rus' princes were barely able to defend the territory they had against the Cumans when they moved into that region in our history, so their chances of successful offensives without support from Byzantium would be slim. That would also likely stop the Rus' raids on Eastern Rome. I almost wonder if their position would have been weakened enough by this change that it would be the Cumans putting them under the yoke instead of the Mongols.
Another possibility after the mongols conquer this muslim Russia is that after their conversion they slowly assimilate like in Iran, and even if a slavic dynasty takes power their vision of the "Tatar yoke" is very different. I guess they could still expand into the post mongol khanates but the integration of the Tatars would be a lot different. As you said their institutions might be inspired on Persian or turco-persian ones, maybe something similar happens with ghulams slowly taking over the army and forming a "turco-russian" culture.
I don’t think he said no cos of alcohol.. most of Islamic caliphs were drinkers and there’s story’s about drinking and alcohol so imbedded into the Arab cultures post Islam.
I watched this yesterday, and I do have a great idea for a future video. What would the Soviet Union, and the world, be like if Josef Stalin had stuck with being a priest? What would happen if Stalin had not become a political dissenter? How would Josef Stalin run the Church as a priest? How would Russia, and the world, be without Stalin as the political leader of Russia?
A Muslim Rus where Novgorod may have emerged independent of Muscovy because of sectarian divisions between Slavs. This sounds like a giant, colder version of Bosnia transplanted to the east.
Warning: Long comment of me spitballing ideas How an islamic russia going forward into the 1600s would end up probably depends on where the end up expanding too in the east. If they go into the islamic turkic parts of of Central Asia ahead of schedule (the Russians didn't conquer this part of eurasia until the 1800s) then I think that the Russians or at least the Russian elites would probably end up becoming heavily Persianized. I say this because literrally every islamic power that got into this part of the world became persianized so, you could end up with something similar to a Northen Mughal empire at least in terms of the culture of the elites. If the russians stayed out of Siberia then that whole part of North Asia would probably remain either as largely unclaimed territory (atleast until oil is discovered there) or under the control of china or some other sinicized tribal confederacy (Dzungars Oriats, Later Yuan dynasty Mongols, Manchus etc...) Another interesting question to ponder is whether or not the ethnogenesis of the Cossacks would have happened. My understanding is that the Cossacks orginated from eastern slavs fleeing from the oppressive serfdom of Muscovy and Poland-Lithuania into the Don region. Would this group be wholly islamic or would they be a mix of Muslims and Christians? Final question I would have is how would an islamic East Slav population effect the Black Sea slave trade? Huge numbers of Ukranians were captured by Tartar tribes and, sold to the Ottamans. However if the slavs living in that area were also muslims then would the trade be as extensive? Would it mean that even more black africans would be brought into the arab slave trade to satisfy the demand in there place?
Here’s one that I think would Impact the course of world history greatly and I haven’t seen anyone do it. What if John Brown succeeded at harpers Ferry
Quick little idea I had for an EU4 mod if anyone wants to use it: called The Old Reich, basically its what if Austria rose to power earlier than usual and predicted the rise of nations like Castile and France and became the permanent Emperor state of the HRE, deciding that it was going to be the one and only European power. Through the art of vassal swarming, Austria manages to partially suceed, with states like Poland being in the HRE and mostly fragmented at game start. The main idea of this whole thing though is that Austria, in its quest to become the absolute hegemon of Europe basically develops a monopoly on technology, with things like artillery only allowed to be produced in Austria, (within the HRE borders anyway) hence the 'The OLD Reich' title. Obviously this is not at all grounded in reality but to me it sounds like a cool scenario, with the Ottomans, Russia, France, Spain etc, all challenging Austria's hegemony over Europe.
What if England turned Islamic? In 1212 King John of England met sultanate Mohammed of the Almohad empire in which a proposal was made for England to turn Islamic in exchange for an alliance with the Almohad empire. This was rejected but what if it wasn't, what if England turned Islamic
Likely the same ending as the realistic ending to this video, the rest of the aristocracy/nobility just removes the head of the idiot who went so wildly against their desires, and then back to business as usual.
@@anvos658 I know that's the most likely scenario but that would be really boring so I just wanted to know what would happen if England turned Islamic and stayed Islamic
@@oskaranddaniel7582 Chances of staying aren't great. Irish would be even more irate and resistant, then France and every other coastal power in Northern Europe would likely unite to stop that threat and liberate the people from the "horrors" and heresy of Islam. This likely ultimately ends with the UK/England dissolved into multiple smaller puppet states including an independent Ireland and Scotland.
I don't know how you did not mention that the alphabet and Christianity were introduced to the Rus by Bulgarian scholars even though their patriarch Kiril confessed this in 2012.
Russia 🇷🇺 was a Muslim country in past and Islam is still native religion of Russia today, after European colonization of Russia many parts of Russia were forced to turn Christianity, those who didn’t got killed, but many part still remain Muslim today
I think the Byzantine era Romans would never allow their navy to weaken like it did in our timeline because they would forever have to stop raiding Rus from the North. A stronger byzantine navy probably means the 4th crusade ends in disaster for the crusaders But that's my guess
Disclaimer: There is a difference between the Rus and modern day Russians. I just didn't want to keep repeating Eastern Slavs for the entire video.
I was about to comment something, but glad you clarified. I imagined you knew, and this decision makes sense
Oh yeah definitely, though while this is probably a stupid question, why is it that you aren’t referring to the “Rus” as the “Kievan Rus”?
The kievan Rus is basically the eastern slavic equivalent of the western roman empire to Spain, Portugal, Italy and France. All east slavs trace their heritage there, but it doesn't belong to any of them specifically.
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@@carpathianwolf3523 thank you for the clarification.
Vlad vibe checking the worlds religions is my headcanon now
Islam is bad
cope
"Hinduism? *Reads all* This sounds... Gay"
@im sacred that video changed my life
@imsacredtotell go away, bots
Also in other news... if Russia became Muslim, then the Cold War would've become a religious war @.@ (Though the question remains whether or not there would've even been a cold war. Would communism even be incentivized to form in this new russia?)
Lets be honest Cody. This scenario is just impossible because the Rus would never give up on the idea of drinking alcohol for the sake of religion.
I unironically would see the Russian states of the time adopting an pff shoot of islam that allows drinking.
Islam is bad
Not really arabs were more heavy drinkers than other nations before islam
Infact arab created alcohol 😂😂😂😂😂😂
even the bears perfer orthodox
A lot of Muslims do drink.
Elites have a tendency to ignore rules they force lower classes to hold to.
I'm Muslim, and one of my religious teachers at school told me that Russia "almost" became Islamic. I always thought there was something suspect abt that statement, this video explains why.
Russia already is quite muslim. Like 10-15% of the population there is. There are probably more 'devout' muslims there than devout orthodox christians
@@anonymousbloke1 not true, not really devout.
You can visit the current muslim ex soviet states, people drink vodka infront of mosques
@Жидальберт Мойшевич caucasus region is mostly religious Muslims but tartar Muslims are either non religious or liberals
I'm glad Russia didn't
@@karantikoo9302 Chechnya, Tatarstan and the like are pretty devout. I wasn't talking about other "states", if you didn't mean oblasts of Russia, I don't know how devout people in Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Turkmenistan and the like are, I was only speaking for Russia. Russia is a pretty damn muslim country. And if we were to judge how muslim countries are by how much people there drink, there probably wouldn't be any muslim countries whatsoever..
Funnily enough even without being Muslim some Russian tsars used to call themselves sultans when addressing Muslim monarchs and/or nations. They also called themselves padishahs and hakans. There are 2 tughras(calligraphic autograph sort of) of Peter the Great for example. In one he is called "Peter son of Aleksej Sultan of two norths and hakan of two seas" and in another, he is called "Peter the First son of Aleksej, Padishah of Rus".
Alice Caesar is a Roman name
Pedro José is a Portuguese name
What is a Hakans?
@@vuvuvu6291 Hakan is a different spelling of Khan that was used mostly by turkic states.
Padishah is persian title and hakan is turkic
Russian rulers doing this to with western neighbors address themselves with common western title
A Russia with no vodka would be no Russia
If people were told "now u muslim no vodka" february revolution would happen 1000 years earlier
The topic wouldn't be so sudden, of course; our religion starts with prohibitions automatically to avoid any aggressive reactions.
@@davidibidokun2693
Still can't believe this dude's grandmother was St. Olga, one the most hardcore lady saints. Like... she's literally the Patron Saint of Vengeance. I remember reading about how she created a trench to burry a bunch of soldiers from a nation that killed her husband and then burned the leaders to death by locking them in her castle.
I honestly think those "vibes" partly came from there. He might've done some research on her.
She was born Russia even Russian women are warriors 🇷🇺
Well, she was Viking/Varangian, of course she was brutal.
Just because of drink please don't give up Islam only true religion
In sha Allah in paradise Jannat we will drink more greater better drink forever
We don't know when we will die accept Islam and become muslim
May Allah give you hidayat - Aameen
I think we would see a Kievan Russ collapse, and divided among different princes, some staying Pagan, some turning Catholic, others Orthodox, and others Islamic in order to either gain foreign support, allies, and trade partners or some stubbornly sticking to their Pagan traditions. In the long term I believe this would consolidate Russia into 2 to 4 nations, with the most likely to stick around in my opinion being Islamic Russia, and Catholic Russia with Orthodox Russian Princes being conquered due to the collapse of Eastern Rome. And the Pagans being pushed out due to the lack of religiously motivated allys smoothing relations. While nations were more then willing to work with other faiths, it made things a lot easier and would have a major impact in my opinion. The interesting thing here is, the Pagan Russians instead of being wiped out, might be forced to migrate east, into Siberia to escape persecutions and become a centerpoint of a Siberian pagan nation or series of nations with the Christian and Islamic Russians focusing on the richer lands west of the Urals and on conquering lands from each other.
Interesting, so how do the mongols factor in? Like Cody said they're coming werther or not Vladimir the Great chooses any religion. Which it's important to say that the conquest east was seen as defensive, "the Tatars can't invade us if we occupy their land"
Rodnoverie Siberia. Have not heared words more based in a long time.
@@Thatonepersonyouheard Id imagine something similar of the occupy them first variety, however the warfare would likely be alot more brutal and a far more gradual march/conquest eastwards in my opinion.
Though there is always the possibility that these Pagan Russians get conquered by the mongols/tatars but I dont believe that would last long term due to the collapseing Mongolian empire/s
@@hakced No way to truly predict how well it would go though, but no matter what it would make for some interesting wars fighting the mongols and other groups to carve out a new nation.
Russian would look like nowadays middle east always at war with each other as they are muslim and islam the 2 worst allah trash cultures who won't see a win in the next war and will be a central target to be wiped out as they have been the cause of everyone's problems and the west is waking up to that and are starting to no want them Canada being one of thos as they pushed terrorist views for the 5 years and its coming to bit terrorist like muslims and islam
Something to keep in mind with Vladimir choosing Orthodoxy is that he was raised primarily by his grandmother, Olga (either a Bulgarian princess or a Viking of Pskov, depending on who you ask), who was a devout Orthodox Christian and even lead a delegation to Constantinople to meet the Emperor. So, Vladimir was likely already Orthodox privately before he enforced Christianity on Kievan Rus.
P.S., the Cyrillic alphabet is a Bulgarian-Slavic alphabet, established by Cyril's pupils during the First Bulgarian Golden Age. It's based on the Glagolic alphabet, which IS a Greek-created alphabet, created by Cyril and Methodius to serve as a alphabet for the slavic peoples the Byzantine alphabet was trying to convert to Orthodox in Christianity power politics.
@@ChristinaAgerskov And Vladmir's reign was from 980 till 1015, r u trolling?
@@ChristinaAgerskov 🤨
He wasn't orthodox, because before adopting christianity he tried to reform slavic paganism, but failed, because different tribes tended to worship different gods
Just because of drink please don't give up Islam only true religion
In sha Allah in paradise Jannat we will drink more greater better drink forever
We don't know when we will die accept Islam and become muslim
May Allah give you hidayat - Aameen
@@muhammadirshadali9487Vodka tho
Gotta love the deep dives into alternative stuff. Very fascinating conversation while also every now and then picking up more knowledge on history that I missed on
I have you one better, Cody:
What if Japan converted to Muslim in 1906?
"In 1906, widespread campaigns were aimed at Muslim nations with journals reporting that a Congress of religions was to be held in Japan where the Japanese would seriously consider adopting Islam as the national religion and that the Emperor was at the point of becoming a Muslim"
Japanese mythology would be changed, Muhammad would be connected to Jimmu, and they will make their mythology a mixture of Monotheism like how Africans kept Orulun as creator God as Muslims and Christians.
@MrFishmanman nah, it's true. Just like that time England also considered converting to Islam
@MrFishmanman Forreal
@MrFishmanman Israel
@@user-op8fg3ny3j “true like the time england nearly converted”
so not true then. because england was never really (until the modern day lol) close to converting to islam. It was just what one diplomat said, the king never had any plans to
If Russia picked Islam, CSGO would have a totally different vibe. Funny how you didn't mention that Cody Hmmmmm?
Islam is bad
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I think the most interesting part of this scenario would be Russia's modern relationship with Afganistan, Chechnia, and Syria, it could even lead to America never declaring the "war on terrorism", beacause they would risk bothering Russia too much
Well, in that perspective Russia would have never allied with Serbia, that alone would already had a great effect on the landscape of the Balkan Wars and relationship with the US.
Bro russian are friends with syria to keep the country dictator i mean president
Islam+Russia=US has left the chat
@@Eugensson Or maybe Serbia would convert to Islam.
BTW, was there any way the US could have become a Muslim-majority country? Such as the founding fathers accepting Islam and convincing people to follow them as to separate themselves from Britain?
What if the Novgorod Republic was able to avoid being annexed into Russia?
what if colonial novgorod without forming russia?
@im sacred no, thats a clip of makign a pizza ...
@@calebr7199 With Danish controlling exit from Baltic sea, expansionist Sweden on the west, frozen waters on the north, uninhabitable lands for large settlements on the east and no way to the south? How it can become "colonial"?
It would be annexed)
@@Ocelot835 it was a joke referring to a bunch of fans of an eu4 youtuber asking him to play colonial novgorod
This is one of the few channels that actually makes watching the sponsored bit entertaining. I wish others did that, might actually make me more apt to buy something.
You can hear how painful this scenario is in his voice.
But I do find it as an interesting scenario, perhaps if the Rus go south of the caucases, maybe a military alliance with Persia could stop the Ottamans from gaining a lot of power
The Rus' and Ottomans don't overlap periodically and "Persia" didn't even exist it was dominated by Ilkhanid Mongols, Timurids, and White Sheep Turcomans
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Don't forget Yugoslavia and one part of Bosnia would be Islamic.
@@nenenindonu it was controlled mostly by the buyids at the time, who were persian. Then later a part of the turkish seljuk empire, who became pretty quickly persianized. The Ilkhanate came pretty later down the line.
@@nenenindonuThe official name of the Ilkhanate and Aq Qoyunlu was Iran or Persia
Actually I think the Russians allying with the Ottomans would make for a interesting part 2. If the Ottomans have a sizable ally in Europe to help them, just imagine how much further their conquests would get them. You could potentially have most of Eastern Europe living under an Islamic government, which would potentially cause Catholic Europe to explode. In fact, if that were to happen I could see most of Europe coming together to help stop the assault, as if it were a 2nd invasion by the Mongols that everyone feared.
Or you end up with Protestant Europe leaving them to their fate, and you get Islam and Protestantism as the main religions of Europe with Catholicism relegated to a few small holdouts. (Maybe Italy)
@@johnwbh I could actually see the Protestant Reformation being put off longer due to the increased presence of Islam. I mean even if the Spanish complete the Reconquesta that still leaves a sizable Islamic presence in Europe which I think would increase the idea of unity among the Catholic Church. In fact I could see the Crusades not happening or happening less because of an Islamic Russian presence
The Ottomans already ruled eastern and central Europe and the Mediterranean countries even western Europe, such as France, and they paid a lot of tribute to the Ottomans to be lenient with them and win them as allies in the 16 c ,,,
Imagine, with the help of Russia, they would rule all of Europe, and there would be no room for colonization trips to take place in the New World ,,,,,
Oh Shit thankfully that didn't happen...
Without colonialism this world wouldn't be what it is today
I’m actually legitimately interested in what would have happened if Russia was a Jewish nation honestly. Imagine how differently history would have played out if one of the most pre-eminent European powers in Eastern Europe was Jewish.
How would that affect diasporic communities in the rest of Europe? Would Russia be seen as a contemporary to Europe? And the biggest elephant in the room: how would the lack of anti-semitism in Russia affect the history of Zionism, as some of the earliest Zionist thinkers find their origins in the Russian Pogroms
If Russia had picked Islam, I'd imagine the Northern Crusades would have gotten a lot more worldwide and interesting to say the least with Islamic forces fighting both the Pagan Lithuanians and Christian crusaders
Islamic slavs vs Pagan slavs vs Christian slavs vs Christian crusaders vs pagan lithuanians vs christian lithuanians vs pagan lithuanians vs other muslims
On the ideas for part 2, mostly regarding Russian/Slavic culture and their policies against the Ottomans:
In a case of an Islamic Russia, it is a very real possibility that the entire rest of Slavdom and Greece become Catholic.
Before the rise of Russia and the Ottoman conquest, the cultural centres of the Slavic world were in Bohemia for the West Slavs and Bulgaria and more specifically Preslav and later Turnovgrad for the South and East Slavs, furthered by the fall of Kyiv under Mongol rule, to the point that we have surviving letters of Russian nobles negotiating buying religious texts at ridiculous prices ither from Byzantium with Bulgaria as the middleman or directly from them, and the Cyrillic alphabet, which was made by Bulgarians on the basis of the Greek alphabet and the Greek but more Czech-ish Glagolitic alphabet became dominant in the Kyivan Rus and the rest of the Orthodox world.
The point at which this starts to change is when you remember that, back in the 1200s, Bulgaria went Catholic to counter the Byzantines and get their titles recognised before returning to Orthodoxy because of the IV Crusade and that Byzantium did the exact same thing right before being conquered by the Turks.
Without Russia to escape to like in OTL, after the Turks conquer Constantinopole, the Orthodox churches would be forced to escape either to Italy (which admittedly also happened OTL and helped the Renaissance but that's besides the point) or remain alone under foreign, Islamic rule, both options leading to an eventuallity of submitting to Rome's dominion.
I doubt the Greeks, Serbs, Bulgarians etc. would instantly give up all of their church traditions, as after all they were already centuries entrenched into the societies, rather I envision something similiar to OTL's Uniats or Eastern Catholic churches, keeping most of the traditions and practices of Orthodoxy but remaining in communion with the Pope, although seeing their disantvantageous possition the Orthodox churches would probably be forced to give up more. This whole ordeal would probably also lead to another domino effect, causing Western Europe to be more like the East culturally, considering that OTL the brain-drain from Byzantium and Bulgaria led to ridiculous things like a Bulgarian being Patriarch of Kyiv, many churches straight up just teaching entirely and exclusively in Greek up until Peter the Great forced them not to and Russian writting remaining almost entirely different from the common speech even of the aristocracy, being a sort of weird mix of South and East Slavic or what we now call "Old Church Slavonic" (which is confusing because it's also different from the original Slavic writting and language even tho it's lumped in with them under the language umbrella term), so I expect similliar effects in the West from Greek aristocracy.
Okay now comes the part that's actually about Russia.
To answer a question you asked in the video, the title of the Russian ruler would remain tsar (or maybe a slightly alternate version due to palatilization like chesar or kesar as was rarely found in OTL) but not because of Roman influence but because the word had already entered into Common Slavic trough Gothic (maybe we're not fully sure) and/or Proto-Germanic by the time the split of Proto-Slavic happened.
Without and Orthodox justification, Russia would probably not be that willing to fight the Ottomans, or atleast over Constantinopole, because while there still would be an incentive, they would have no use for hostile Christian territory that is mostly useful for trade with the unwilling Europeans, or atleast not as easy as, like you said, the Volga river. Same things would probably be true for North and Baltic sea trade. With this boxed in situation, I imagine Russia would probably give up on interactions with the West rather quickly, choosing to focus on pushing trough the Caucasus and Siberia way earlier and way faster than OTL, taking a defensive stance in the West. Most likely, Russia's political centre would also move farther East to, possibly to the rich trading centres of the Bulgars like Bolghar or Kazan or maybe even further into newly founded cities on the frontier. I believe that this earlier expansion would also put Russia in an incredibly strong possition, as having their focus East would probably lead to them reaching China just around the time of the gradual fall of the Ming and rise of the Qing. Subsequently, while I don't think a Russian presence would lead to the Ming being saved, I can certainly see Russia grabbing Mongolia and parts of Manchuria and the Atlantic coast while taking advantage of the Chinese wars, leading to an either even more closed off China or an incredibly aggresive one and a similiar relationship with Japan, I really can't tell since i've already went so far away from the point of divergence in this comment put I think it's an interesting thing to think about.
All while this happening, I think Russia would at some point in the 1600s also start aggresively moving South, but this time not so much towards Crimea (although yeah I think they'd still probably want that) but more towards Persia, who I think, trough being the closest trade partner of Russia and middleman between them and Arabia, would have a great influence on Russian culture and geopolitics. During this time, the Ottomans were starting to greatly weaken the Persian state and conquer much of their Western land, which would in no doubt effect Russia, and as such I believe that they would probably take advantage by allying or even eventually vassalising the Persians and helping them greatly in the wars against the Ottomans, which would probably end in victory for them and eventual conquest of rich lands like Iraq and the Gulf under Persian/Russian control and make the Ottomans focus way more on their Eastern frontiers and probably even weaken places like the Sultanate of Oman trough the resurgance of Persia as a major player in the Persian gulf even before the age of colonialism and **o i l** in the region.
I could go way further with my ideas that this great video inspired, since they truly are many like what would happen with Poland or Sweden but I don't think i'm educated enough on that front (or for basically most of what I said for that matter) and I am really excited to see Cody's ideas on all of this, so i'll leave it off like this.
Incredible video, I hope I have been helpful and I can't wait to see part 2. If you read this Cody, good job big guy.
TLDR: Russia is even more Asian lmao
Brother can me text me that
It should be also mentioned that Vladimir's grandmother Olga (also a canonised Saint) was a Christian as well as semi-legenary chiefs Askold and Dyre .
Askold and Dir didn't stick around, since they were murdered by Oleg, and Olga of Kiev's religion was not followed by her son, who feared that his warriors would laugh at him for converting to such a "peaceful" religion.
@@angusyang5917 Yet Svyatoslav (the aforementioned son) didn't seem to persecute Christians unlike Oleg.
@@stepanokhrimenko9189 The Rus were traditionally tolerant of other religions, when Sviatoslav I conquered Bulgaria, he allowed the Bulgarian tsar and his state to exist as a vassal under his rule, as he intended to use Bulgaria and its resources to conquer the Byzantine Empire.
@@angusyang5917 Yeah, i just thought that it's important to point that out
@@angusyang5917 Olga s son think Christians are peacful? Her son?
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A whole scenario about if Kievan Rus and Novgorod never united would be interesting.
Novogrod was in the Kievan Rus but it had high autonomy, it was after the Mongols invaded that Novogrod became an almost independent country, and I say almost because the Mongols forced the local Duke to pay tribute to them
Novgorod was the one that made kiev into rus
But yeah if they didn’t unite I would think there would be less ethnicity wars in the future because right now many Ukrainians think that Russians are just mongols that took over kievan rus
@@idkwelp1082 I mean... the last year has shown them to live up to that monicker lol
What union? Novgorod Rus created Kievan Rus
Vladimir the Great in our timeline: "Drinking is the joy of the Rus. We cannot exist without the pleasure."
Vladimir the Great in the alternate timeline: "Okay, but what if it did?" *creates a new sect of Islam purely to allow drinking.*
HEADS UP its not forbidden within the quran doe idk about the no pork ones lol
@@rachard really? Damn, I guess ol Vladdy there was worried for nothing.
@@dank_smirk2ndchannel200 yes remembered it being like the bad(sins) outweighs the good but HEAVY intoxication is forbidden during prayer lol
@@rachard ah, okay. That makes sense. Kind of hard to connect with Allah if you’re completely pissed.
best part of the video is when Cody just goes “who fucking knows” after talking about Novgorod
Honestly it is a wild card? Also for reminder country what killed Teutonic knights was Poland. So they would most likely try size Novgorod instead instead dealing with Russia.
@@TheRezro Novogrod had Nevsky tho
Right as I’m deciding what CK3 achievement to go for next, this video pops up. Vladimir’s Second Choice it is. Thanks for the sign, Cody 😂
Cody Central Asia had plenty of great cities
Also the title Tsar exist in Persian (khosro) or they could use the word shah
Could be adopted by Russians in case of Persian influence
See Persian Central Asia
Edit: alcohol is pretty important in sufism (basically mystical islam) so that could be interesting
Yes Bukhara, Samarkand, Nishapur, Merv, were all great cities with hundreds of thousands of people before the mongol invasion
Alcohol is forbidden, any "sufis" who drink are extreme outliers.
@@boygenius538_8 I live in Iran so I've seen plenty who do drink (we drink more than Russians do)
The sufi literature frequently mentions wine and sufis are not as strict when it comes to sharia
Persian Russia would be an interesting direction to go. Maybe ending up with a larger Shi'a cultural grouping around the Caspian.
@@johnwbh maybe but truth be told shiaism is basically just Persian hatred for Islam we aren't real Muslims
Also a shia russia wouldn't be too good for us since if they think of themselves as true shia state they'll invade more than they did in real life
So, I started thinking a bit about how people could see Brittain from the French coast, what if you did a video on a scenario where Brittain was actually just further enough away that the white cliffs of dover were not visible? Like it could be a non-romanized isle, Brittany could have been more Pagan than Catholic. It is just an interesting thought experiment tbh
Moscow would have claimed to be Second Mecca insdead of "Third Rome".
Here's an idea 12:00. You previously noted how Russia is instead being largely based on Byzantine and Roman styles, but would instead have a far closer connection to Muslim Persia. So how about they take on the title of Shah?
Yes!
Or khan
@@mint8648 Khan was a Mongolian title and I don't think a Russian leader wants to be associated with the same people who kinda oppressed them.
@@finalMadfox khan was turkic and the first rus rulers called themselves khagans. their were khanates in eastern europe way before the mongols (like avar khanate)
@@mint8648 I am putting my perspective on the people who might just associate that title with the Mongols
Could you examine an alternate 1066 where Harald Hardrada wins the English crown and his descendants hold onto it? So much of medieval and modern English culture is based out of the Norman/French customs that William and his heirs brought to English society. Things like personal names, architecture, language, and more have very obvious French/Norman roots (think about why there are more Englishmen nowadays named Richard instead of Æthelræd).
One of the famous rivalries in history, the one between France and England, was born largely out of the dynastic disputes that followed after a Norman Duke, who owed loyalty to the French King, became King of England.
Now, what if Norwegian culture was like that instead? The English language already has a few words borrowed from Old Norse from Viking invasions, but what if that was taken further, making English more closely resemble modern Norwegian? Would English wars not be fought across the English Channel, but instead across the North Sea? Instead of English kings claiming the throne of France, they might instead claim the throne of Norway? Or perhaps Denmark or Sweden? What relations might a Norse aristocracy in England have with the Kings of Scotland and the Irish? What about the British Empire? What would it would like and how might it operate, if it even existed at all?
One thing is certain, if Russia was a Muslim nation there wouldn’t be anywhere near the amount of alcoholism that has existed throughout their history.
What about Shisha use?
@@user-op8fg3ny3j shisha is no way as alcohol
And less aids too in eastern europe
@@manofwar2354 depends if it has nictotine. I know it's like tobacco where some scholars say it's Haram and others say Makrooh
@@user-op8fg3ny3j Not nearly as bad as alcohol for society
It would interesting if instead of Russia considering itself the third Rome, it considered itself the one true caliphate or something similar.
What gets crazy to me is how the scenario of Islamic russia uniting (except for Novgorod) and holding together the same way they did in our timeline and how it changes 19th century to present day history. How would that affect WW1? Novogorod being a player also opens up fascinating possibilities. Like the central powers seeing them as basically “true russia” or maybe Novogord gets ambitions of conqu- I mean reclaiming old Russia. Maybe in the past years they petition for crusades again and again.
But how does that effect everything with Poland? It’s unlikely because of Poland but what happens if Novgorod embraces the reformation and becomes Lutheran or Reformed?
How does it affect WW2? Kinda depends I guess how who they side with in WW1. But imagine this: the Russian civil war still happens in this alternate timeline but it’s against an islamic state. So islam is more widely seen as the imperialist enemy that must be brought down. This could see “white” (or maybe they’re “green” in this case?) army fleeing into Novgorod and bringing islamic influences with them, while the newly established Soviet Union actually looks to spread SOUTH towards other Muslim nations. So what happens to Turkey? What happens to Iran? Etc. and if communism is so busy looking south and not at Europe proper, do the nazis even feel threatened by it? Does Europe? If they don’t or feel threatened by socialism but see communism as a strange eastern mutation of it, then perhaps something like operation Barbarossa doesn’t actually happen. Lebensraum is achieved by conquering Poland and Novgorod and the countries like Estonia and Latvia.
I think this whole scenario has Russia facing south and East. Their march over the Urals may come sooner in this time and I imagine more frequent wars with Japan. But does an Islamic Russian army fight the Asians for national purposes or for jihad purposes? And if they succeed? Does Japan become muslim? And what a wrench THAT throws into the 20th century as we know it. Imagine Islamic Russians breaking Japan’s isolation. Or turning them Muslim before they isolated. A Japan without their paganism and emperor worship up and into the 20th century I imagine means potentially no radical expansion into China. It completely changes everything but also if somehow they end up as America’s enemy in WW2, the war takes on a very different view. America is seen as a Christian nation and sees itself the same way just with religious liberty essentially. Does that mean WW2 in the pacific takes on a religious aspect of the Christian West vs the Muslim East?
Interesting stuff. The butterfly effect for this one is insane lol.
Yeah Novgorod is really "true Russia", not the Moscow region or Kiev as per others
I remember, in high school, finding a book of alt history stories, and one of them was this exact premise.
My favourite leader, Sultan Nicholas II.
*Sultan Al-Nikola ibn Iskender ll
Sultan Iskender Han II
In reality, the Kievan Rus were forced to start conversions to Orthodox Christianity after a war with Byzantium. It was a draw, but one of the terms of the treaty was that Greek merchants and church had freedom of movement and operation in Russia. This is how conversion started.
Fun fact history was my least favorite subject in school this channel alone has woken me up to the whole subject. Never thought it was possible but alternate history hub did it.
i feel like few people like history because of school lol. Somehow they always manage to make it seem rather uninteresting, but when you dig deep into it, you realize how fascinating it actually is.
What if Japan didn't ally themselves with Nazi Germany, did not expand into SEA/further China (I. E only Manchuria, Korea, and Taiwan) and therefore kept out of WWII against the U.S?
Eh? Alliance with Axis exist only on the paper. Ironically Poland was more important ally of Japan then Germany (yes, weird). Pacific War exist largely as separate event and was about oil. Not about supporting Germans. Focusing on navy instead land would only marginally improve they position against US. Arguably desolation of Manchuria bring Japan additional wealth and buffer against Soviets. So I do not see that as much of improvement.
The only way for this to be possible is for a purge of both the military elements and the political factions that support them. Only a strong stable non-imperialist government would have the ability to prevent the military from going out of control.
no... unless the goverment wasnt overtaken I hardly see that ever happening. Aint no way a bunch of former samurai and fanatics would overthrow democracy and then just do absolutely nothing
I like the idea of two Russias--one Catholic and Northern, the other Muslim and with links into Central Asia and the Middle East. Presumably, Muslim Russia is able to expand eastward like the historical Tsars did, especially if they're blocked by the Christians in Eastern Europe. We likely see a Muslim Russia with a less ambiguous transcontinental heritage that the modern Russia displays, more comfortably identifying with "Asia" or at least not being European. Ironically, they also feud with the Ottomans even more than historical Russia did.
They probably also hang on to Alaska, should they ever stake a claim to it.
Would Catholic Russia go Protestant under Scandinavian influence, or would a stronger Poland-Lithuania keep them Catholic? I think the former is more likely, especially due to the Baltic trade. The Swedes wind up consistently allying with the Russians in this timeline, which presumably prolongs their regional dominance into the 18th century. And speaking of the Baltic, Christian Russia probably incorporates what is now Livonia and Estonia into its realm, at the very least following the decline of Sweden. The Northern Crusades having already been redirected somewhat southward towards Moscow means there is a greater history of cooperation between this Russia and neighboring Slavs.
By the modern day, Christian Russia presumably has the more impressive recent history due to their closer ties with Europe. In a Great War they probably tried dismembering their Muslim counterpart into spheres of influence like what happened with the Ottomans and Great Britain and France, though with somewhat greater success than the latter powers found.
Working off of the idea of Novgorod remaining separate from Kiev, in the 17th century and onward, would Novgorod become Lutheran (or some other form of Protestantism)? Would there be a "Great Northern War of Religion" because of it, involving at least Novgorod, Poland-Lithuania, and Sweden?
I really like this general concept of an Islamic "Russia" (really Islamic Kiev in this case) because of how open ended it is. Good job Cody!
The biggest change is that there wouldn't be any german blood in the Russian Tsars. Nicholas ll had 16 great great grandparents. 11 of them were German, 3 where Danish, 1 was Welsh, and 1 was Russian. On top of that Nicholas ll married a german wife. There have been a ton of German emperors of Russia and that cultural interaction would not occur due to the religious differences.
Russia would be stuck in the middle of archaic, bizarre medieval Islamic theological conflicts instead of archaic, bizarre medieval Christian theological conflicts. For example, Muslims debated over whether the Quran had to be read in Arabic or if you could allow people to read it in their own native language. Christians had their own debate over whether the Bible had to be read in Latin that was solved for good when Martin Luther translated the bible in German, the language most people spoke. Muslims debated whether the Islamic call to prayer had to be in Arabic.
Russia would certainly reject the Cyrillic alphabet in favor of the Persian alphabet. Theoretically, the Russians could convert to the Arabic Alphabet but Persia is closer and more accessible. Aside from the ban on alcohol, Muslims also debated the whether painting a picture of somebody was a sin. Most believed this created a graven image which was banned.
Jimmy's existential crisis and threatening to shave the cat! GENIUS!
Well, Muslims certainly wouldn’t have that whole “Desert” stereotype.
What interests me is how this would affect the Baltic. Novgorod separating from Russia and adopting Christianity would have two other major effects you didn't mention. First, Novgorod was a republic, and while not democratic in the modern sense, this could have laid the groundwork for a democratic northern Russia in the modern age. As for the Livonian Order, I think they still would've fallen, conquered either by the Poles or the Swedes (or maybe Novgorod if relations break down). But the biggest impact in the north is Sweden. Without Russian pressure from the East, Sweden would face far fewer threats. This means that there is a very real possibility that Sweden doesn't get decimated by the Great Northern War and instead continues on as a major power into the 19th century. Perhaps Finland then never separates from Sweden.
I think one of the most interesting points in this scenario for me are the other slavs, like you said with no Russia to influence them I could see most of the "Yugoslavs" becoming catholic since the beeg slav state is Poland now, and of course I could not mention the Polish lebensraum that would definitely see panslavism being a stronger ideology since there's just Hungary between the balkans and the PLC, and how it's the duty of the poles to do a reconquista of the rus to reunite all the slavs under their true lord Jesus or something like that.
You know, they almost managed to do that. In the end, it is Poles who Russians celebrate their independence from XD
No one will see this comment, but in Russia they teach us that Byzantine Empire at that time said Vlad that if he want to marry his daughter he need to embrace orthodoxy and also he needed the alliance with Byzantine so.
I feel like Cody was expecting the what if Russia became Muslim vid to win but to his surprise it didn't. That or this guy is fast as f considering the poll was like 2 weeks ago 💀
I think if an Islamic Russia followed a similar path into the colonial age, it might be interesting to see if they’d want to try and establish a colony in Indonesia, fighting the Dutch for it, along with them trying to spread Islam to China and Japan
Japan's emperor did considered converting to islam (QUOTING WIKIPED
"in the late Meiji period, close relations were forged between Japanese military elites with an Asianist agenda and Muslims to find a common cause with those suffering under the yoke of Western hegemony.[16]
In 1906, widespread propaganda campaigns were aimed at Muslim nations with journals reporting that a Congress of religions was to be held in Japan where the Japanese would seriously consider adopting Islam as the national religion and that the Emperor was at the point of becoming a Muslim.[17]")
@@rachard now I want a video about what if japan became muslim.
It is important to remember that by the time the Rus were choosing their religion going forward, the Hanafi school of jurisprudence in Islam allowed drinking at the time. This school of thought is not only the most popular in Islam to this day but it's the school of thought among Russian, Bosnian, Turkish, and Central Asian Muslims, i.e. the whole region up there. So it's probable that even if they continued drinking, it would not be too alienating to the rest of the Muslim world. You make a good point about how not only religion but connection to Byzantium is so core to what became Russian identity that a Muslim Russia is so different for that lack of Byzantine identity. However, I think it'd be interesting to wonder if Russia would cling more to their East Slavic ancestry in this alternate timeline without a Byzantine Empire to tie their identity to.
Could you source that, this sounds like major cap as I highly doubt a major Madhab allowed drinking as it is incredibly explicitly and obviously prohibited in the Quran.
Source?
Historically the Hanafi school was confined to Persia and Khoresan before the Turks spread it.
The Hanafi do not permit drunkenness, but rather they tolerate a small degree of alcohol in brewing drinks, while the rest of the Islamic schools reject any alcoholic content
@@akramkarim3780KVASS is halal then? (1.5-2% alcohol content)
What if Russia was Muslim
Then 2023 : Sultan Putinuddin .
the usa wouldnt exist
Allah truly is great
الله أكبر ☝
Hi from Russia, Im Muslim (chechen)
Привет из России, я мусульманин из Чечни
Hello, I am a Muslim from Libya. I told Qadir during Ramadan to send his army to Israel.
Small Correction: The Cyrillic Alphabet was not made by the Greeks, it was made by the Bulgarians. This is a common misconception because of its name but it wasn't actually made by Cyril and Methodius but was actually made by their Bulgarian students in Preslav the then capital of the nation.
Also kinda disappointing how you didn't really cover the Bulgarian role in the Christianisation of the Rus as it was quite major in it, in fact it's the main reason the people not the state were Christianised due to the spread of the previously mentioned Cyrillic but also Old Church Slavonic/Old Bulgarian in the nation, the first Slavic literary and liturgical language which really helped out.
You were right on the Volga Bulgar one though and hell they were even one of the major nations trying to influence the Rus pick on which religion to choose as their main one.
Only Bulgarian scientists consider them Bulgarians. They proceed from the fact that since they knew the Slavic language, they are immediately Bulgarians (then why not Serbs, for example). According to this logic, a Russian-speaking Armenian can be counted among Russians - this is nonsense
It is almost impossible to accurately determine the ethnicity of Cyril and Methodius in multinational Byzantium, although disputes on this issue continue to this day. According to one of the common versions, the equal-to-the-apostles brothers were of Greek origin[7]. In the XIX century, Slavic scientists (Mikhail Pogodin, Hermenegild Irechek) defended their Slavic origin[8][9], based on their excellent command of the Slavic language - a circumstance that is considered insufficient evidence today[10]. The Bulgarian tradition calls the brothers Bulgarians (to which the Macedonian Slavs were also counted until the XX century), relying, in particular, on the famous "Life of Cyril" (in a late edition), where it is said that he "came from Solouna grad"; this idea is supported by many modern Bulgarian scientists[10][11].
@@secretbunnie2206 Cyril and Methodius were not Bulgarians but Roman Slavic Christians and that's what they'd identify with most likely. But they didn't make the Cyrillic, they made the Glagolitic. Their Bulgarian students made the Cyrillic in Bulgaria under order of the Bulgarian Tsar (Also the first Tsar in history).
20:06 wtf!? 😂😂😂
Hey Cody, when are we getting "What if Japan had remained neutral in WW2?" or "What if Japan had been part of the Allies in WW2?"
It's very much needed and would be really nice to watch.
wouldnt happen.
@@xvx_k1r1t0_xvxkillme7 You mean like the countless videos of scenarios that wouldn't happen he has already made?
Here's a controversial idea that i bet would get a lot of clicks: "What if the Novorossiya Confederacy formed?"
Just as speculation obviously, it didnt happen because only 2 of the planned 4 People's Republics survived. Slava Ukraini.
I want to see Jewish Russia next please
@Rareorgans45people convert to Judaism in the modern day, I don’t see how it would be different then
The neighboring polities of the Rus', Volga Bulgars, and Khazars all ended up adopting different Abrahamic religions which were Christianity, Islam, and Judaism respectively :D
This probably should go along a couple of different lines . . . exploring different reactions to the conversion. The one that seems most viable to me is that Russia splits into eastern and western trading hubs. That leads to a different set of early alliances and the Eastern Slaves finding rich trade relationships with the Turks and other Muslim groups prior to them all being conquered by the mongols and further wielded together by the shared experience/enemy.
If the Rus' went Muslim, I doubt they'd have been able to extend their control down to the Caspian Sea as you suggested. The Rus' princes were barely able to defend the territory they had against the Cumans when they moved into that region in our history, so their chances of successful offensives without support from Byzantium would be slim. That would also likely stop the Rus' raids on Eastern Rome. I almost wonder if their position would have been weakened enough by this change that it would be the Cumans putting them under the yoke instead of the Mongols.
The Muslims of the Caucasus and the Volga Bulgars and the Seljuks, and after them the Golden Horde, could help them extend ,,,,,,
Another possibility after the mongols conquer this muslim Russia is that after their conversion they slowly assimilate like in Iran, and even if a slavic dynasty takes power their vision of the "Tatar yoke" is very different. I guess they could still expand into the post mongol khanates but the integration of the Tatars would be a lot different. As you said their institutions might be inspired on Persian or turco-persian ones, maybe something similar happens with ghulams slowly taking over the army and forming a "turco-russian" culture.
very interesting scenario since I don't think anyone has ever done this scenario
I read something like this on quora
russia becomes 1000x worse
@@LavaCreeperPeople chell out islamophobic boy
@@E001-f8g not even a word and nothing wrong with that lol
@@E001-f8g chill out, fact-phobic
What if William Jennings Bryan won any of the Elections he Ran; 1896, 1900, 1908?
Russia is like 15-20% Muslim atm
AltHistHub: Sets up a poll for next video
Also AltHistHub: Doesn’t follow the results of the poll
as a CK3 player i was about to say why stop at the title of sultan when he can be the caliph of Rus of the newly forned sect
Nice Video! If you do another Russia-themed video, I'd be interesting to see one on "If Patton invaded Russia after/following WW2"
Or if Nevsky had lost the Battle on the Ice in 1242.
0:45 oh my god hes real as fuck
First good premise you’ve had in a while. Good shit. Glad to see you still got some juice.
I learned about this story from playing Crusader Kings 3 with the achievement “Vlad’s Other Choice”
I don’t think he said no cos of alcohol.. most of Islamic caliphs were drinkers and there’s story’s about drinking and alcohol so imbedded into the Arab cultures post Islam.
islam wipes theem all out
7:55
Actually, we don’t need to imagine this as it actually already did in the golden horde
I watched this yesterday, and I do have a great idea for a future video. What would the Soviet Union, and the world, be like if Josef Stalin had stuck with being a priest? What would happen if Stalin had not become a political dissenter? How would Josef Stalin run the Church as a priest? How would Russia, and the world, be without Stalin as the political leader of Russia?
Meanwhile in an alternate reality: What if Russia chose Christianity?
By the way, France tried to impose Christianity in Algeria in a revolution But the Algerian people resisted religious slavery
Algerians themselves were slavers.
Nope@@vladtheimaplertepes
@@xabocabdi6991 Yes.
Google "Berbery Pirates"
Yeah, Algerians were completely fine with an actual slavery lol
A Muslim Rus where Novgorod may have emerged independent of Muscovy because of sectarian divisions between Slavs. This sounds like a giant, colder version of Bosnia transplanted to the east.
Im glad im not the only one with audio problems on my vids
Why the hell author keeps referring to Kievan Rus and its ruler as "Russia"
Because saying "Ukraine" is lame
In Russian, Caliph is pronounced more like Kaiy-leef. That would be a fun title instead of Tsar.
Warning: Long comment of me spitballing ideas
How an islamic russia going forward into the 1600s would end up probably depends on where the end up expanding too in the east. If they go into the islamic turkic parts of of Central Asia ahead of schedule (the Russians didn't conquer this part of eurasia until the 1800s) then I think that the Russians or at least the Russian elites would probably end up becoming heavily Persianized. I say this because literrally every islamic power that got into this part of the world became persianized so, you could end up with something similar to a Northen Mughal empire at least in terms of the culture of the elites. If the russians stayed out of Siberia then that whole part of North Asia would probably remain either as largely unclaimed territory (atleast until oil is discovered there) or under the control of china or some other sinicized tribal confederacy (Dzungars Oriats, Later Yuan dynasty Mongols, Manchus etc...)
Another interesting question to ponder is whether or not the ethnogenesis of the Cossacks would have happened. My understanding is that the Cossacks orginated from eastern slavs fleeing from the oppressive serfdom of Muscovy and Poland-Lithuania into the Don region. Would this group be wholly islamic or would they be a mix of Muslims and Christians?
Final question I would have is how would an islamic East Slav population effect the Black Sea slave trade? Huge numbers of Ukranians were captured by Tartar tribes and, sold to the Ottamans. However if the slavs living in that area were also muslims then would the trade be as extensive? Would it mean that even more black africans would be brought into the arab slave trade to satisfy the demand in there place?
Honestly, I’m just looking forward to where they end up around WWII. Assuming they make it that far.
More interesting scenario : which branch would they choose, Sunni or Shia ? I’d like to know if it’ll make an huge different scenario than this one !
Shia means sunni in power of 2 or much shooty.
Pajeets: you have summon us
Russia, but halal.
Why are Christians making fun of circumcision, Jesus PBUH was circumcised too
thats why christianity is confined only within church and vatican.
Ahh yes every starter countries main religion
Islam
- can't drink
-have to be circumcised
Christianity
-can drink
- cool vibes
12:03 - is “Ceasar” the AltHistory for “Caesar”?
Feeding the algorithm. Very interesting topic.
Now make other reverse one of ''What if The Ottomans where Orthodox?''
Here’s one that I think would Impact the course of world history greatly and I haven’t seen anyone do it. What if John Brown succeeded at harpers Ferry
There are a good number of Muslims in Russia, entire regions that are 100% Muslim.
Those were Muslim lands that was conquered by tsar wayy before
Quick little idea I had for an EU4 mod if anyone wants to use it: called The Old Reich, basically its what if Austria rose to power earlier than usual and predicted the rise of nations like Castile and France and became the permanent Emperor state of the HRE, deciding that it was going to be the one and only European power. Through the art of vassal swarming, Austria manages to partially suceed, with states like Poland being in the HRE and mostly fragmented at game start. The main idea of this whole thing though is that Austria, in its quest to become the absolute hegemon of Europe basically develops a monopoly on technology, with things like artillery only allowed to be produced in Austria, (within the HRE borders anyway) hence the 'The OLD Reich' title. Obviously this is not at all grounded in reality but to me it sounds like a cool scenario, with the Ottomans, Russia, France, Spain etc, all challenging Austria's hegemony over Europe.
What would you think about doing a video talking about what if the republican side won the spanish civil war?
What if there was life on mars?
Cody has definitely been doing some achievement runs in Crusader Kings 3 lately.
What if England turned Islamic?
In 1212 King John of England met sultanate Mohammed of the Almohad empire in which a proposal was made for England to turn Islamic in exchange for an alliance with the Almohad empire.
This was rejected but what if it wasn't, what if England turned Islamic
Bri'ish Muslims be like : OI OI OI OI, Do you have a loisense for etan pok, meit?
Likely the same ending as the realistic ending to this video, the rest of the aristocracy/nobility just removes the head of the idiot who went so wildly against their desires, and then back to business as usual.
@@anvos658 I know that's the most likely scenario but that would be really boring so I just wanted to know what would happen if England turned Islamic and stayed Islamic
@@oskaranddaniel7582 Chances of staying aren't great. Irish would be even more irate and resistant, then France and every other coastal power in Northern Europe would likely unite to stop that threat and liberate the people from the "horrors" and heresy of Islam. This likely ultimately ends with the UK/England dissolved into multiple smaller puppet states including an independent Ireland and Scotland.
It's hapening right now, so you will find out soon.
I don't know how you did not mention that the alphabet and Christianity were introduced to the Rus by Bulgarian scholars even though their patriarch Kiril confessed this in 2012.
Russia 🇷🇺 was a Muslim country in past and Islam is still native religion of Russia today, after European colonization of Russia many parts of Russia were forced to turn Christianity, those who didn’t got killed, but many part still remain Muslim today
dude...
@@hohoryashka228 bro all this cuz alcohol☠️🍺
Pov: Making he's own history😅😅
RUSSIA was not a muslim country dude
I think the Byzantine era Romans would never allow their navy to weaken like it did in our timeline because they would forever have to stop raiding Rus from the North. A stronger byzantine navy probably means the 4th crusade ends in disaster for the crusaders
But that's my guess