Z Review - STAX 2170 (My Endgame...)
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there is still the Orpheus left
You Should Order It At Sennheiser HQ In Germany,Then They Only Make For U
Don't worry, I'm sure he knows a guy.
Nah, orpheus are highly hyped and, altough they are pretty good, Stax stuff is truly endgame.
you say that like you've tried them. also I think one of the main points of the orpheus is exclusivity and top-class luxury, not just pure sound.
+Daniel Stainthorpe fuck luxury..enjoy the music not the equipment
And on the 7th day, he rested.
except his wallet
Oh it rested. It rested quite well, as it was deader than a doornail.
Hey Mr. Riley, cool seeing you here!
im so glad I live in Japan. I just saw one of these in a second hand shop here for like 150$. I ignored them because I thought they were gonna sound like a broken radio or something. Dammit Z these better sound good when I listen to them
Make sure it is the newest stuff because STAX has been making this design since the 70's
Z Reviews yea newer ones, the older ones has the same headphone design but the amp is different. its the vertical black one if I'm not mistaken. The one I bought is the same as yours in the video.
but can it play Crysis?
#STAXBRO
Easily. Crysis 3.....the struggle is cereal.
This comment aged so good 😂
I love the start of the negatives "let's just get the negatives out of the way!... they look like that." LMAOOOOOO
sorry to be so offtopic but does someone know a way to get back into an instagram account?
I somehow forgot the account password. I would appreciate any help you can give me.
@Morgan Stanley Instablaster :)
I love how this is his end game but the wall looks much fuller today than then
I understand why you psychologically need these to be a separate category but I feel I must inform you and others here - these are headphones! The technology has been in use by other companies in the 70s and later, and depending on the charge required we have either electrets or electrostats. I myself have an old Toshiba electret headphone which runs off of 1/4 jack with a tiny energizer box attached to it. Electrostats require a much higher charge (I'm simplifying) and that is the reason they have their own box and plug. It just so happens that nowadays almost only Stax uses this technology and they choose to call these earspeakers because... reasons I guess :). Koss ESP950 are called electrostatic headphones, as they should be.
So please Zeos don't misinform people.
On a side note my vintage Toshiba electrets are made from metal and leather. Screw Stax and their cheap plastic.
To be even more accurate there is an example of actual earspeakers and its called AKG K1000. They are away from your ears and don't play sound directly into your ears, only in proximity - ergo they are speakers, only positioned very closely to your ears, ergo earspeakers.
@timecage is absolutely correct. Electrostatics have been available for nearly 40 years (mostly from Japan) but fell out of favor since: a) The cost of Japanese labor increased dramatically after about 1972 b) It has not proven easy to automate all stages of the production of electrostatics.
Sadly, modern electrostatics are likely not even as good as those available 40 years ago.
Stax has been making their Earphones (electrostatic headphones, whatever) since 1960.
But I'm pretty sure he'll be calling these The Earspeakers until the end of time. Just to spite us :P. Aand probably because he has no other than Stax and that's how Stax calls them.
A friend of mine has those AKG. They look like shit and luxurious at the same time lol. Sadly I never had the opportunity to try them.
I disagree with Zeos on this (I own a pair of these-- I was the guy who loaned them for this review.) There are things headphones can do, and things speakers can do. The SR-207s do the headphone things and not the speaker things. They are nothing like being in a room full of music. Z just doesn't want to admit that all headphone manufacturers have been barking up the wrong tree for 40 years.
The pads on this thing definitely need break in, they get more comfortable over time. Also, I have sideburns, and as a result I did not have the problem with the crinkly driver once the pads had broken in.
Otherwise, review is pretty accurate.
Well really these are yours and you have mine. You gotta try the alternate pads on them. Deep pads hardly touch the sound which is wonderful.
I'm pretty happy with them as is. I have no problem with excessive seal, as I already mentioned. (I did initially but that went away when the pads broke in.) Also, I guess I have small ears, because the opening in these pads is huge enough that my ears don't touch anything at all. So in that respect, deeper pads wouldn't change comfort. if I was going to pad mod them I'd probably go for the lambskin sr-507 pads.
Besides, I don't need them to be speakers. I have speakers.
Still, if you ever end up in oregon, I'd love to give yours a try.
You know your reviews are bad when even the people loaning the headphones disagree
Once you go STAX, you never go back. #STAXBRO
Right now they are upwards of $2,000 (October 2017). Later in the video he says to buy them no matter the cost... Please don't pay that much for them.
You say they cost 500$ back when he reviewed them????
They are cheaper now
"My Endgame" - 3 years later "so I've listened to these new headphones!"
where's my fuckin cat review
The dog ate it.
Agent Orange Then kill the dog and rip the cat out, Z!
still need 595
"What decade are you from font?" LOL - classic.
waynexploits I read this comment 10 seconds before it came up in the video.
so these or these?
Those
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theeeeeeesssssse
you put them on...
these fuck you these
Someone get in contact with Massdrop.
This might be the one time in history Zeos wasn't exaggerating. One of the most based takes on headphone youtube.
AKG K1000 can be classified trully as "earspeakers" .
The "pro only" outlet is telling you that the energizer unit only supports "pro" voltage bias, which is 580 volts. Before the "pro" models became the norm for Stax, the voltage for the earspeakers was only 230 volts. If you plugged one of the old "normal" bias earspeakers into a pro energizer, it would blow up. The normal bias earspeakers have an extra pin that keeps you from doing this. The pro models are backwards compatible with normal bias energizers, but they won't go as loud or sound as good.
I have a pair of SR-Lambda pros from the late 80's, and they were one of the first Stax models to use the pro voltage. The energizer that I use doesn't have line-level inputs and a preamp like yours, it connects directly to the speaker-level output of a normal amplifier. They don't make that type of energizer anymore because it apparently isn't as good as the ones with the amps built in. It still sounds amazing considering the setup is almost 30 years old now.
Thanks for reviewing an electrostat, I had been hoping you would review one eventually. Glad you like it!
Dude ... idk how ... but you make audio equipment super interesting. Thanks for that.
Sitting with these on my head right now... 2 days in and still struggling to take them off. I`ve only experienced these 207`s and I`m not sure how it can actually get better. Pretty sure if I ever put L700`s on my head I`d burst into flames from overexposure. Thanx Z...tracked these down solely because of this video and holy shit what a purchase!
You just emptied my bank account, Zeos... oh well, atleast i'm a #staxbro now!
Your mannerisms and expressions make these reviews dude. I don't know how you manage to show body language through a head-cam, but you do, and it turns your reviews from interesting and informative to god damn great entertainment.
It helps your videos are full of headphones and a cat though too...
This review is always amazing to watch i really need to get some of these... :D
The 3100 set is only $780 right now.
no soundstage=no buy
The Ultra Mod fixes that to a point and you would have to hear them to deny them.
Z Reviews Yeah true but after listening hd 800 soundstage everything thing feels too narrowed. My budget was 450$ for hd 700 now having listened to hd 800 i increased my budget to 1000$.I am also a heavy gamer so comfort matters a lot and hd 800 is one of the best in that department. Just waiting for a beyerdynamic t1 review.
THE CONQUERER you have to hear the stax first, perhaps hearing them will move your budget even further, plus remember that anecdote of the guy that sold everything of his 800s? must have been for a reason but well who knows :P
Ivan Rivas Fact is i also need headphones for gaming so the only option is stax 007 or 009.They cost 4 times as much as hd 800.Yet they have worse resolution,soundstage and imaging than hd 800.There isn't a headphone that serves my needs under 2000$ except hd 800S which isn't worth it because i can mod hd 800 anyway.,hd 800 and beyerdynamic t1s.Don't get me wrong i can buy stax 007 but my new pc that i will buy shortly alone costs over 3000$.And the diminishing returns will be very high i guess for stax.
THE CONQUERER didn't he just said the soundstage got fixed with pads? And man why go so overkill with the 800 wouldn't something much cheaper also make the cut? I'm talking like x2s or hell even some random pair of hifimans :v
They say once you go STAX, you never go BAX!
I was 15 yrs old, there were headphones and then the Stax on a league of their own. 30yrs later, the same story. Don't expect to see such a low price again if they don't dump inappropriate 100V mains spec stock to the wrong country again.
Z u NEED to review magnepans and KEF speakers. BTW did u know you can 'Upgrade' the amplifier?
Yeah, I've always been curious what you'd think of Magnepan speakers. I love using those.
Yeah he should review some kef muon
Finally got mine. It's exciting to listen to headphones when you hear things you never heard before in songs and I've listened to phones that exposed those things every once in a while. I listened to 10 familiar songs in a row once these finally "charged up" and heard lots of things i'd never heard before in every single song. One general example in what I'm hearing is the singer finishing off the th sound or the exhale of breath at the end of a singers note. It's like all other phones I've listened to are out of focus by comparison. The detail and separation are incredible and to me, it's not so much that they don't have good soundstage, just different soundstage and maybe different shaped soundstage. These are amazing. Thanks for pointing me in their direction.
What are you trying to do to me? I'm not made of money, you know
+Jason V. That is what robbing convenience stores is for.
+Z Reviews In that case I await your review on robbing a convenience store before I make my move
Found them for $400 barely used on eBay, so I did it. This means I'm canceling for the current TH-X00 drop, but your praise has swayed me
TH-X00's are so pretty though. I don't know about you, but I hold build quality before sound (weird I know).
I get what you mean. I'd happily be seen in public with the X00's. These, not so much. I decided to stay on the drop though, so I'll try out both and sell the one I like the least
There's no end-game my friend. From those the way to go is one of these: he1000, abyss, sr-007 and sr-009 and of course the orpheus.
The Abyss are shit. I listened for a LONG time in Denver.
+Lee S fuck "good" amp. an amp is an amp. shit cans are shit cans.
Lion Mod
shit amp is a shit amp
902d yeah then it's a 20 dollar amp
boy, oh, boy. I spy with my little eye a pair of scrubs. it is obvious that the best of the best is an iPod and a pair of Skullcandy Crushers.
Now they are $$1530 :(
They have been replaced but don't sound the same. More refined and relaxed is the 3100 combo.
Just insane. The higher-end models are now cheaper to get I think
i am considering the 3100..any other headphones competing with the stax?
Do i get the 3100 or the 3170? Or is the old 2170 better? There´s like a million different ones :(
The thing I love about your reviews is not only your style of doing them, your personality, but your enthusiasm specifically. This is what, your how many-th pair of "endgame" or "best headphones ever"? XD
Keep up the good work, really enjoy your videos!
is mp3 92kb better than flac, sorry audio noob here
2 years late but no they aren't
I actually tried out the L700 off an SRM 353x the other day and it was definitely the most pleasing sounds I've ever heard. Granted, it's the first electrostat I've listened to but I have auditioned many flagships and I find the L700s, in my opinion, "better" than all of them.
Ren'ai Circulation has never sounded better.
L-700 is a very special headphone. It even uses SR-009 tech. Also heard the MrSpeakers Electrostat today and that was quite impressive as well.
Would you get the 3100's and make a review?
They're amazing.
As requested by Z, my impressions of my new 2170's....
Mine are now 36 hrs old, with about 30 hours of burn-in.y system is Tidal HD -> Schiit Wyrd -> Schiit Modi 2U -> STAX -> Schiit Magni 2U
Think of wearing a beach ball on your head....only instead of a beach ball, it's one of those plasma balls that shoots lightning inside. That's the 2170's.
Super fast, clear, detailed. Their soundstage might not be huge, but anywhere INSIDE that space they're highly active and very spatially aware.
These are the most expensive head devices ( :p @ Z) I own. I have not heard $1K+ headphones, but they SHOULD sound like these. While I don't doubt the higher Stax models are better in certain ways, how MUCH better could they be, and is it worth that price to you? The 3-series might bring tangible benefits, but after that I have to think you'd run into quickly diminishing returns.
For a desktop-only setup, could I sell everything and use JUST the 2170's? Abso-fucking-lutely. I think they're worth every bit of their $790 MSRP on staxusa.com
As usual, Z was spot-on with his review...why I didn't go into greater detail. No need.
And I tried a wide variety of HD tracks last night, to see how they handled different genres. They came through amazingly. Glenn Miller sounded bad, but due to the age of the recording..the 2170's are so detailed, the "old recording" sound was just annoying to me.
Everything else I threw at them sounded amazing.
I have not yet "ported" my earpads as Zeos recommends. I'll get around to it in the next few days.
In stock form, the bass is exceptionally deep and quite detailed...however, it's not exactly over-emphasized. It's powerful enough to tickle my ear canals, but not as emphasized as my X2's which would ALSO tickle the back of my neck. So, I can still see a use for my TH-X00 Purplehearts which should arrive in August. But they'd better be REALLY good to compete for my ear time with the Stax :p
I have also not yet turned the Stax up over the 50% mark, as I fear (more) hearing damage. Normal listening volume at the 30-35% mark.
Okay, just ported my earpads using the "straw" method. It seems to work as intended...bass volume seems kicked up a notch, and I can't (yet) detect any adverse effects :)
They're still not bass cannons, but they miss that designation mostly because they do everything ELSE so well, at the same time.
Unlike Zeos, who has to do reviews, I don't have to categorize Stax separately from everything else I own. And these are SO good, I have ZERO chance of topping them (with my budget) for an exceptionally long time. I'm still waiting for my TH-X00 Purplehearts to show up in August, and I expect them to be a bit different from these, but I no longer have hope they'll be better. I'm done buying headphones now for quite awhile.
Unless Zeos points at his Stax in a review and says "These are better than those", I'm pretty much not interested anymore.
O fuck yes, best girl.
Nathan Reyes U aight?
Salem *SHINOBU IS MY ENDGAME*
I have a question: Does each Stax model sound different? Just because a year after this review shows us a much different market for these... the majority of models are at astronomical prices, which just the L Series as the most affordable under $1000.
Imagine Zeos Listen To The SR-009...
Are these still the best headphones of your choice?
All your fault, just checked the price on Amazon and the cheapest is $950 all the way up to $1700! ;__; #STAXBRO has taken hold....
Look for the STAX 3100 set. It is newer and different but great.
dang Zeos - you are on fire! so many years reviews so little time :(
Do they beat the lcd-x?
It's awesome that after so much time spend on audio.... you find stuff like that :)
Sweet discovery.
Don't force the pads off. Use WD40.
Should I microwave it for a few minutes too?
+Z Reviews might change the sound signature to be warmer than they should be.
It's funny watching this 3 years later...your room no longer looks this empty !
Cheapest on Amazon is 642 now.
$709 now, they're going fast. There is one used for $575 though
The Zeos Effect hits hard. Someone should make a article about it.
523 dollars shipped at Pricejapan
Mateus Marta is EMS a good shipping company or would it be better just to pay for fedex?
+Austin Michael no idea
Dear Zeos,
Stax also makes IEMs know as their 'portable' series. But you may already know that.
Helpfully (or not), Austin
update apparently the Stax SRX-Mk.III are a rare fickle and exotic beast capable of slaying even the most expensive sources by showing their true nature.
AKA Zeos go find some STAX SR-003 Mk. II's and review them.
Man you f*cking greatest salesman ever, you made me buy Th-x00 and SR-507.. You man, Ruined My Life, I lived happily listening shitty .mp3's and youtube.. now i can't listen anything but the purest of purest uncompressed sound.. Joking aside great videos man and latter is the truth i freaking lost it and went completely overkill, audiophile is a disease which spreads like a bedbugs.. /I didn't even like music.. well now i do../
I have wanted to listen to Stax for so long now and still not had the chance. Money was always an obstacle so I kinda put the idea away, However, After watching your video's, Being inspired by digging my SA5K's back out ( I know, Not everyone's cuppa tea! ) I think finally this year is going to be The Year Of The Stax in my home! :) Thankyou for the kick up the arse I needed! The sound demo's have helped.
I think I'm selling my GTX 970.
The GTX 970 sucks anyways.
Friggin 3.5Gb of VRAM Kappa ;)
mindsmirror We still don't know how Vram works in those new cards. I'm more than sceptical how Nvidia handles that shit.
+VenoXj1 come to amd my friend
jrock14w No thanks.
Z thanks for the review. I've been listening to your reviews with original lambdas made in 1979 .These earspeakers are definitely in a class by them self. Z I agree with you 100 percent ,folks you have to listen to these to appreciate the sound these produce.....
Blue Hawaii. SR-009. I'm sorry.
KGSSHV Carbon. SR-009. I'm sorry.
WES, SR-009. Sorry
iPod, Beats. Dr. Dre. sorry
Sorry for his wallet - 'low 500s' will seem like chump change when he starts trying to decide between the Omega MkII and SR009. I'm still not happy with the brief audition I had in Japan, but I can see why people rave about those two flagships.
Arthur Watts Don't forget the MrSpeakers Electrostat.
I've seen electrostatic headphones. Koss ESP 6. Those have the bias transformers in the earcups. In doing so, whey remain true electrostats, they have a 1/4 inch jack.
Burn in is one of those things that falls within two camps, swear by it, or don’t believe in it.
I fall under the category of believing in it simply from experience and nothing else.
As long as I’m buying a pair of headphones that are expensive enough to warrant attention to detail, first 48 hours they just left to play music without having it on my head straight from the box.
My advice LOL do it on Friday night so that you’re too fucked until Monday to even care about them and by the time you’re human again, you had 50 hours of burning
Z bud, great review as usual
All Zeos want in life is now Stax, on Stax, on Stax, on Stax.
I don't believe you.
+BeardedAlbatross Nobody can be told what the matrix is.. you have to see it for yourself.
+BeardedAlbatross #staxbro I was the guy who bought the first bundle on amazon.
+Z Reviews or hear for yourself
mylar break-in....wtf?.....how about oven bag break-in......I'm glad they're awesome though.
You actually can use an amp with these and I do. You just do it backwards. I go from the sound source through an amp and then into the Stax Driver. That way the Stax Driver starts with a louder signal. I max out the volume on the Stax driver and control the volume on the amp and never have a problem with distortion. I never have a problem with getting enough amplification either because the driver is also an amp.
When are you gonna review your cat !!!???
Check the Patreon. When I hit the $1500 goal. I review said kitty.
They're not headphones, they're earspeakers!
Sold these for $620 two days ago.
How come?
+Kurt Phillips upgraded to the 4040 system. More details. but more expensive
How much did the 4040 set you back? And do you agree that these type of headphones blow everything else out of the water?
I bought the 4040 System US Version for $1000 but I bought it used.
New 4040 Units cost around $1500-$1600.
And heck yes Electrostatic headphones are the best.
There is a reason why Sennheiser chose the Orpheus to be Electrostatic and not Dynamic/Planar.
I've had WA22 Amplifier with LCD2 and HD800 these are mediocre compared to the 2170. The HD800 + WA22 is about $3600 NEW and they do NOT compare at all! Same thing with the LCD2 sure they have more bass but if I cared about the bass I would buy Beats or Monster headphones. The only thing that the HD800 excel at is soundstage which sounds artificial in my opinion. The only thing that the LCD2 excel at is bass which is again artificial and not natural.
As for the 2170, it literally sometimes feels like the singer is next to you, realism is so much, treble and midrange are perfect and bass is punchy, natural. It literally is a great end game system. The best part? The price; costing anywhere from $500-$700 it is a STEAL, since it already comes with an amp and headphones, you will not regret these.
I have a few videos on my channel rambling about this system.
+VeryCoolAlan +VeryCoolAlan Wow thats awesome. It's great that you share the opinion and have had experiece with other high end gear also.
I had no idea the Orpheus was Electrostatic!
I'm relatively new to buying mid-range to higher end gear, and in a few years I was going to invest in a pair of flagship headphones in the £1-2k range, but after reading this I don't think I should touch anything other than Stax!
What are the 4040's like for soundstage compared to the 2170's? I agree that too much isn't necessarily good as is the case with the HD800's, but I own Fostex TH-X00's and they're a bit too close for my liking. From Z's comments the Stax seems to be similar in this regard, in having a closer soundstage.
How are these not headphones? They are designed to go on the head and the suffix -phone means sound; literally head-sound.
Electret drivers are still electrostatic technology.
Even if it doesn't use a 3.5 or 6.3 mm jack, that doesn't mean it's not a headphone. The 5-pin plug is literally like a 4-pin Neutrik XLR balanced cable plus an extra pin for the high-voltage bias for the stators.
I do agree that they are totally end-game speakers though. My gawd. I still have mine from 3 years ago and even current flagship headphones have nothing on it especially considering the price.
#STAXBRO
Stax 2170 or LCD-X?
Better sound great cuz they are absolutely fucking hideous looking like a 1950s movie robot.
Was listening to the sound demo just before and gotta say with no doubt these are the best I have heard.
I need one. I want to own one. Badly.
Damn You Z! Damn You!!
i had stax sr507 and srm323 and it wasnt my endgame. recently got the grado rs2e and lg v20 with hifi tidal oHHHH MY ENDGAME
are you trolling?
Ian Thomas hell no
Ian Thomas grado rs2e is so naturally tuned and the soundstage gives the undeniable "you are there experience" just listening to people talking on TH-cam Videos like this one gives accurate "you are there natural experience"
But does it grate cheese too as advertised?
Those are the most ugly headphones i have ever seen, but if they sound good i will neglect that😁👍
Not headphone, #staxbro
How is it not a headphone??
cause its like a speaker mounted on your head.. XD I dunno.. I dont make the calls.. ask Z
zarster Alright, i hope he replies!
Read the box. It never says headphone. It is just an electrostatic ear speaker you put on your head.
Ebay has a used set out of Virginia going for $560+$15 shipping (cheapest now). Put on sale today, guess someone didn't like 'em or want to make their money back while the prices are high, proves this is all subjective. Zeos you should get paid by companies to sell their stuff, you're that good! Amazon & Ebay prices for these Stax shut up overnight xP
Love your reviews!!! Thanks for sharing
I won't say that the entry level Stax has great low end. Yes, the low end soulds very different, but very monotonous.
I own a second-hand 20-year-old 3030 system. It is amazing and basicly you don't need any other system. I use it daily for all purpose until the frame break apart. Before buying the SR-507 for replacement, I bought HD 600 for another taste and alternative wearing, since I am afraid of breaking my new Stax too soon.
Z Reviews, my favourite head apparatus reviewer
i just spent 1000 dollars on a set up for Hifiman HE6s and 160w Power Amp, and INSTANTLY fucking regretting it upon turning on this video.
Don't worry. They probably sound a lot better.
HE-6 actually has bass below 50 Hz, so don't worry, your setup is just fine.
Stax will be around for a while. You can change later. When the time is right.
Stax products are really interesting. Thanks for the review
On pricejapan, you can still get these for ~$500 + shipping... Quite tempted to get one now, although I'm still waiting on my TH-X00 Purplehearts... Maybe I'll get one as a gift for my parents?
sold out
You must have a lot of bad luck everytime your cat walks by 😂
cats going to steal the stax as soon as you leave the room
In the early 90s I had the top of the line with the tube amplifier/energizer and I didn't like it!!! I do believe that the solid-state energizer sound much better.
What bothered me the most was transparency that remove the body of the music, and no mater what, I couldn't play it loud!
After few weeks I sent it back to Stax... They was telling me that that way it suppose to sound...
Welp, I just found out the AKG K1000 are a thing that exists (and that the no-longer-with-AKG engineers who spawned that design are making a successor product at their new company). Now _those_ I would call "earspeakers", because they're literally just speakers hanging from a headband and situated somewhere next to your ears, with no actual cup surrounding the ear. So they're really really radiating in free space all around. Those are earspeakers. Still not sold on using that name for the Stax.
Send me a set and I will retract my naming.
Have you ever had a chance to listen to the Koss ESP-950 electrostatic headphones? I'm wondering how they would compare to these, especially since the Stax have doubled in price since this review. The Koss (at $999) appear to have a similar build quality (not great) but also do come with the transformer and reportedly are great sounding.
Damn, how many of us buy after watchin Zeos? These are now up to around $800. I remember when he did the Philips SHP9500 review and you could watch Amazon adjusting the price in almost real time.
Wait... I don't understand. You hated it the first day and after that they were good? So you left the Stax energizer for a couple days and then it sounded good? I myself have owned the Stax srs3100 system for about a year now. Do they have to be "broken in" by leaving the amp on for a few days?
still stand by this Zeos? looking at spending a bit and interested in something like this? in the UK and can't find the exact model atm, any by stack that are comparatively the same or better for similar £££??
The newer 3100 bundle is out there. I have a set here for review. Worth looking into.
just got my l 300 today it's playing to its self in the dark while I work, I finish at 0115 ish it's still going to take time to burn in thanks to hi-fi lounge so I could buy one at 240 v 2 year warranty and a great ring you back help line thanks from UK ps Japanese newspaper is part of the packaging :}.?.......
I wonder how this Stax electrostatic system compares to the Koss electrostatic system sold on Amazon.
Makes me wonder how the Koss ESP950 sound since they are electrostatic as well...
Think of them as a darker Stax. The only problem with it is that it doesn't sound very good with its stock amp so you will need to buy a Darin Fong adapter which will allow you to use it with a Stax amp. The result is amazing.
Z, where do you purchase your custom headphone wires (like the ones you have on your HD600s)? I'm looking at some on etsy that're unanimously well-reviewed.
This or the LCD X's?
Hard.. LCDx for soundstage.
What a shame you can't get these anywhere anymore... its always the good stuff you can't get anymore...
Wear a cap while listening to these things and you break the seal and having amazing bass. If you don't mind doing that, and don't want to mod your stax, it's the way to go.
I'm on board, I want STAX to kick my HD800's in a battle to the death. One problem, 500's? Nope. Not even 3 times that. Best price I can find is $1500
Have you tried the KOSS electros? How does their bass stack up to stax.
Have not tried but people report they are more relaxed. Search out the 3100 system it is the replacement.
Brosef, how do these compare to the HD800? It's hard to find direct comparisons.
Electrostatic is the best design for headphones because the thin film only have to drive small amount of air between the headphone and ears. But this is not the case for speakers. Planers are simply too slow, lack of detail and imaging after you have tried electrostatics. There are still few dynamic headphones like HD800 which can compete with electrostatic. However, electros often are the best sounding headphones in the same price range. Beside STAX, KOSS also produce electrostatics with reasonable prices. Sennheiser and Hifiman's electrostatics are simply over priced.
I already own 207s, and they are the best *headphones* (yes, I said it), I've ever owned. Glorious Stax master race.
+Patrick McFarland E-A-R-S-P-E--A-K-E-R-S
EARSPE AKERS? Whats an aker?
You could definitely make the Ear speaker argument. The AKG K1000 was absolutely an Earspeaker. The HE-1000 and HE-X are. Hell the HE-6 is an Earspeaker since it takes a speaker amp to satisfy one.
Now does it matter if it is an Earspeaker instead of headphone? I don't think it does at all.
The K1000 is the only one I'd ever consider an actual ear speaker. That thing was freaky and cool.
Actually Earspeakers are only limited to Stax products. They coined the term and no other company calls their product that.
Headphones-a pair of earphones typically joined by a band placed over the head, for listening to audio signals such as music or speech. These are headphones
The price in these change so violently. $430 for a few new pairs last week, $830 minimum this week? I guess that's just the power of the #staxbro
Which is what the patreon is here for. To protect the buyers for the Zeos Effect.
930 now.
@@PCPhile 599 € now :) I think its worth it
Holy balls. Perhaps starting with x1s and 600s wasn't the best decision I've made.
+Echoes2165 Oh it was. It is. These are the flying car of cars. Of course a modern GTR is a great start. But nobody is prepared for the flying car.
If you had to choose between The Audeze LCD-X and The STAX 2170, which one would you choose and why?
because these are better than any headphone, they are ear speakers.
C'mon... new subreddit for these? The 207 is a moderately priced decent sounding headphone... I compared the superior 507 head-to-head with the HE1000 and the latter was a much stronger contender. Better resolution and much smoother than the STAX with less grain. If you're speaking about soundstage, the STAX again falls short of the HD800 and the HD800s. As a matter of fact, the 507 was inferior in every aspect to the HD800 from detail to imaging to speed. The owner put his 507 up for sale shortly after. Just because it's an electrostatic, doesn't automatically make them better. If the 207 are touted as "earspeakers", then the SR009 and HD800 should be in another league and perhaps another subreddit created for them?
my uncle had speakers for in his house witch worked like this.
hooked up ofc to tube amps it was amazing stuff to see.