I am going to watch the FULL lecture. *ONLY BCUZ* I found the link as it flashed on the video. Coincidence is SUPPOSED TO BE RARE. Shit it getting weird in my life.
TheArchangel911 - Thanks for the link, but I find your bite-size clips much better; they're thoughtfully edited and allow me to confront one or two dragons at a time.
I ain't ghost rider. JP can come see me if he wants to. Ps. I've gone way beyond coincidence. And the occurrence of synchronicity is such that I already tested it to make sure it wasn't some super quantum computer sitting in the black hole of our galaxy
@@joshjames582 doesnt matter a dragon is a dragon by helping others you help yourself no wonder people today are so weak and idealize others around them
I have no idea what you're blubbering about, but George R Martin gets to decide what a Dragon is in his own books. Especially since Dragons are fantasy creatures and can be whatever he says they are. I'm sorry to hear that distresses you and puts sand in your vagina, but it is what it is. Maybe help yourself instead of preaching to me about help, and remain silent to circumvent further embarrassment.
Jung is 2:16 _"so damn smart that he can think up answers to questions that you don't even - it's not like you don't understand the answers, it's that you never conceptualize the damn questions."_ I'm reminded of Schopenhauer's quip: *"Talent hits a target no one else can hit.* *Genius hits a target no one else can see."*
Yes! He understood his own levels of mind and it's process I think to the point that the same process applies to all people. I'm delving into the mystic aspect of this in the Drukama tradition and using the collective unconsciousness to bring aspects of self into the light of realization. Check it out if you get the chance. Be well!
That’s beautiful. I heard a story that he went to meet Ramana Maharshi in India but couldn’t commit when he landed in India. He loved his knowledge and intellect. Can’t blame him.
ok, so i will stop dealing with non-existent lies, vomiting of JP, Jung and anyone ... will matter stop existing, when i will stop dealing with it, resisting (using) it? hm, death looks so, the body is dead, but the matter doesnt vanish, i guess ... or it is also a rule we are resisting - the law of conservation of matter/energy?
Kyle - i think i like Ramana Maharishi, maybe the only person talking about death and i dont have problem with it, maybe ... or is he just similar weird and useless, ignorant, stupid like me? but if others werent (playing) useless (and similar attributes see above ...), they dont need to talk about it vehemently ... maybe he reminds me on Dumbledore a bit ... though i would be very surprised if some (autistic) person wouldnt just vomit ... but what do we have available except vomiting (words, lies)? be silent? thinking mostly in your head, not vomit on others, which is anyway rather/mostly/only misunderstanding (especially if i want to understand, be understood = throwing myself on others without reason, stupidly; wanting = limited, just a part of reality and claimed it is whole reality, because it isnt, unconsciousness)?
@@Truth5eeker33 It's wonderful to see someone here knows about Ramana Maharshi. The intellect can only take us so far; it is the death of the mind that sages like Ramana have done and so explain, laying out the way for all beings. We go down that route of absolute Surrender when we are ready, I suppose, and that sacrifice is great.
There was an interesting moment about this topic in my university (in Germany) There is a person (I forgot his name), that built upon the ideas of John Rawls and had very valid and well respected work in that regard - I will call him T. I visit a lecture about theories of fairness (or justice, whatever), and John Rawls is an essential part of this lecture, so T is as well. But: T was acused of being sexist after "failing as a human" with a younger woman. Following that he was basically banned from american universities and lost his status as a person of academic relevance. While he is basically dead in american universities, and probably some others too, my professor insists that he will not stop building Ts work into his lectures and value his work properly, because it gives important insight into the topic. Quite a few students were in disbelief that such a "human error" robbes the validity of an important academic person and applauded the professor for still using Ts work.
To be fallible is to be human. Wether you are a giant like Jung and Kant or a contemporary like Pogge. Any idea of merit will support itself regardless of the origin.
Triffnix sounds like Marxists were the reason that mans work got banned. It’s probably the reason why Jung isn’t involved in many studies. Jung was of aryan descent and the marxist Jews who dominated the academics after WW2 made sure it was their figures that got the spotlight like Karl Marx and Sigmund Freud. Take from this what you will.
Jung is the real deal. He had the balls to call Freud on his bullshit and that took a huge amount of courage. Freud was all about mind control. Jung was about freeing the mind. The establishment hates Jung and adores Freud. I owe Jung so much.
: VEL : Read his book Function of the orgasm, very useful. I have not studied him as much as Jung but I admire his work. Freud ? Pure poison. You only have to look at his legacy. Jung on the other hand gave us the key to the door. The greatest man of his age because he resurrected direct experience of spiritual wisdom without all the poison of religious dogma.
Brian Minghella I‘ve got that book just like I got his character analysis but what many don’t know is that reich wanted to puch his own agenda of marxism
: VEL : . Never really picked up on that but marxism is Communism is capitalism. I personally refuse to listen to anyone who pushes politics and party over common sense and reason. I do have some reservations about Reich but he does not interest or engage me that much. I do have experience of all the twisted evil of Freuds model. He wrote the template for MK ultra and all the sick depraved machinations of Mossad/tavistock etc. Jung gave me enough leads to navigate my own way though and thats far more important than being a ‘disciple’ IMHO. Petersons take on Jung bothers me in some areas and frankly I don’t think Peterson is stable enough to convey Jungs work and value in a way that is grounded. Sometimes i see to much self help style sensationalism in Jordan. You can waste a lot of time processing when really you just need to get out there and live on your own terms. Parrots in cages rarely have much experience to speak of.
Being as we don't understand to perfection the depths of Peterson's intelligence, even as we see him alive and engaging, is evidence enough that we cannot gauge effectively the intelligence of Jung of Nietzsche as regular individuals. @TheWindAmongTheReeds
Jung is said to be an INFJ in the Myers Briggs system. I don't know if he took the test. But I am one and i don't think in words or pictures, i think in emotions. I recognize patterns. I dig deeper under the surface of everything because I i want to understand it. I have a hard time answering questions because when the question is posed, the first thing that happens to me is How it makes me Feel. My IQ is above average but i don't know exactly. Other people tell me I see things that others don't see. I feel stupid.
@TheWindAmongTheReeds Yeah, he is quite open about the fact that many of his ideas are not his own, but based on the ideas/observations of others. Which is understandable, it takes a special kind of mind to think on the kind of level Peterson describes Jung as being at.
Jung believed we are beings in search of a Soul. That we are spiritual beings. That did not sit well with most of Academia who were mtrying to make psychology an emperical science.
Science has NEVER been Empirical. That's one of the best tricks they ever pulled and also why Jung is looked down upon. He recognizes that we're all biased. He points it out, doesn't allow it to just "Sit there". He's dangerous because he's genuine and got much closer to the Truth than most. But Peterson over plays Jung. It's one of the reasons I'm not overly fond of him of late.
The problem with empiricism is that the devices we use to apprehend reality (our senses for example) are both limited and prone to error. Anyone who defines the world around him with the tools that science has at our disposal is also going to encounter a line that cannot be crossed. What exists beyond that limitation -- is that not real too?
@@rr7firefly We never define "real", because if we did, it's electrical signals being understood and decoded by our brain and that takes all of humanity down an entirely different kind of understanding of what we are. If we went down that metaphysical road, the "Powers that Were", wouldn't be able to control as they do. Allow only two sides to each coin, mock and deride or downright shame any who think outside of that and allow the discussion to get as hairy as one wishes in between either pole. Thus allowing the illusion of choice.
Central message of the video: your sub-conscience knows things about you that your conscience represses and is unwilling to acknowledge, which is the central theme of Jungian philosophy.
Thanks for explaining that. I'm not familiar with the theories of famous psychologists, and I can't tell if Jordan explained Jung's underlying theory or not. I think he just assumed people knew what he was talking about, already... or I just missed his explanation.
If you really want to know yourself in that trully terrifying no holds barred kind of way then you will find psilocybin (probably spelled that wrong but that's not important in this context) mushrooms about the best substance to teach you all you want to know about the real you and lots that you really don't want to know but need to. That is so poorly written that I almost deleted it but then I thought "fuck it, most people would benefit from a few deep trips" and I'm very drunk so I care less about how badly it's written and I'm certainly not going to rewrite it for the sake of grammatical aesthetics.
Dostojewski showed people what they might be, namely moral people. The self-centered posers could either pretend to be such or dismiss him as religious, and thus not applicable to them. Jung, on the other hand, showed them what they actually were, he put up the mirror in front of all the mediocre narcissists in public life. Even today, they cannot stand the sight of their actual souls, which is why they avoid, reject and denounce Jung.
This is why they hate Jordan Peterson. This is why they hate me. Some people hate truth and good. If you are like JP, many ppl will hate you, because they want to pretend they don't hate themselves.
Well said Stusstrupp!! It's painful & frightening for many to see themselves in a mirror that has no distortion. The truth about ourselves is hard to handle, yet in seeing it and embracing it, we find a real freedom to love our real selves, and others as well! The truth does set you free...if it doesn't push you over the edge first!
Based on his current dietary habits I *highly* doubt that he drinks. He and his daughter have been fairly open that the do not consume any sugar or carbs. Alcohol absolutely wrecks you (in a very unpleasant manner) when you're in that state. Though I get the joke/humor in your comment.. ;)
"He walks around the park, he's got the bottle of water. Everybody thinks it's water, but it's vodka. Oldest trick in the book. I think he learned that from me."
What if I am the dragonborn, but I just dont know it yet?
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@JediFlavored Soap Because JP is saying that we like videogames because they reflect our reality and mind, not because we go to videogames to scape from reality, as many believe... Really deep observation if you open your ears a little.
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@JediFlavored Soap Sure, no offense or whatsoever is taken. Relax. I would say only that if you want bilateral messeges, you shouldn't come to the comment section and instead try a Private Messege. Also, my comment goes more in the intention to add to the context rather than answer a meaningless question to me.
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@JediFlavored Soap It could seem that. Sure. It is text on the Internet. Appropiate or inappropiate is not even relevant.
When Prof. Peterson speaks of how in awe he is of Jung (a feeling I share, although I have not mastered him to the degree Prof. Peterson has), I feel the same way about Jordan Peterson. He is so articulate and so eclectic as he draws from so many sources when he speaks! Also, his passion! I saw one of his videos where he was speaking of people trying to find themselves and move towards greater individuation, in Jung's terms. The passion and emotion in his voice as he tried to describe the struggle to be human in a mature and full sense was awe inspiring. Truly, Prof. Peterson is one of the intellectual giants of our day. I'd love to meet him and talk with him but fear I would be intimidated by him. We are so blessed to have his voice and his wisdom at this time in history.
I went to one of Peterson’s 12 rules for life tour events and sat in the front row but didn’t have the courage to meet him because I hadn’t perfected the question I wanted to ask him and because I was too nervous lol I feel the same as you about Jung and Peterson. They changed my life and feel like a type of soulmate. Not in a romantic way of course lol
He draws from various disciplines, most of which he has no expertise in, like physiology and human biology. This is a classic tactic used by scholars to avoid criticism by their peers. Since Jordan’s peers are social scientists and psychologists - they cannot counter the points he makes from other fields like (like human biology). Most scholars stick to their domain because they understand they have a lot more to master in that domain. People who are narcissistic and think that they’re already better than their peers, constantly bring other subjects into a debate and pretend to know everything about it, when they really are only qualified to comment on their domain of expertise (which in Jordan’s case is social sciences and human psychology)
Sarath Sunil he’s not just a scholar. He’s a clinical psychologist and I would argue intellectual although he says no because he actually lives out his belief system. He indeed knows about biology and it does have ties to social science lol You don’t know what you’re talking about. He doesn’t include it to avoid criticism, he talks about biology because you can’t have the discussion about archetypes and belief systems without talking about biology because it does play a roll. You should watch more of his videos because you clearly don’t understand the importance of what he is bringing back to our culture.
B C yes but what he says is not what actual biologist agree to be true. Little knowledge can be dangerous. If a biologist start a psych clinic would you get therapy from him? I am guessing no. When Jordan Peterson asserts certain things as biological facts, he doesn’t know enough / or deliberately ignores the context of that scientific conclusion. But somehow people find it reasonable to believe it all without critiquing or researching further on their own
When I attended university as an undergrad for my BA in philosophy I ran head long into this issue. Jung was laughed at, and yet my greatest position that I was able to acquire was Jung first edition of his Red Book. It’s one of the most complicated books I’ve ever read. But with that level of push back I received from being “open” to other thoughts and ideas makes me realize Academia no longer serves the purpose of thought, rather indoctrination. It’s what kept me a deist/theist rather than agnostic/atheist. Because of there lack of imagination to at least entertain something other than there own thoughts and opinions.
People are encouraged to bathe in their own self perceived intelligence by understanding what is, and therefor close their mind to what could be. Only a few have the courage to entertain what cannot yet be explained, and are torn down by those who exist in the comfort and arrogance of what they think they know.
UAAphilosphyBA - Academic faculties are largely a "mafia of the mediocre". Careerists who won't stray from the straight and narrow, who won't risk anything, who join groupthink and together keep out outsiders. Bureaucrats who categorise, catalogue, classify. Historians more than philosophers. The difference between a historian of art rather than a creative artist like Picasso. A historian of chess rather than a great chess player like Fischer. A historian of music rather than a composer like Beethoven, Bach, Beatles...
Probably because everyone loves Freudian teachings, and since Jung is his protege and then said Freud was wrong in a lot of areas probably rubbed people in the wrong way. However, if you actually look underneath the surface you would see that he just took what he conversed with Freud about and applied his own knowledge into those fields of analytical science. In fact, I would even say Jung’s work is more matured than Freud’s.
To simplify what I said: Jung has a lot of... opinions, or personal conceptual ruminations and it is important to know where to distinguish opinion from science. A lot of people do not have the capability to do so.
@@EresirThe1st I don't have a particular issue with it, but i'm suggesting how it can be slightly tedious, given there are hundreds of prolific thinkers to associate Philosophy & Psychology with.
@@TheEternalOuroboros Peterson mentions hundreds of other intellectuals in his talks, its not his fault that Jung and Freud supercede and eclipse them all in his line of work.
@@RadioPolytechnique I've watched hundreds of hours of JP and i've found that 60% of the time he goes on tangents about Jung or Freud. I agree, however i think he could gain some more credibility by sharing other ideas from different figures. This is simply a nitpick on JP's lecturing, of course- but a suggestion to further his prowess.
@@TheEternalOuroboros Well, that's a fair enough opinion to have. I don't think Peterson's expeditions in to Freudian and Jungian territory are tangential in any meaningful sense of the word, considering just how much of the human psyche their works have addressed. Few others can boast of such a comprehensive scope of intellectual inquiry, and the pervasiveness of their ideas makes them substantially more relevant than any of the theorists solely focused on any of the diverse areas in which their ideas intersect. Personally I can't get enough of them, and as someone who has studied psychology at the University level I only needed to read the works of the majority of theorists once or twice to get the gist of their entire body of work. Freud and Jung require infinitely more attention and perseverance to fully digest.
After coming home from a deployment to Iraq I read The Undiscovered Self.. Reading Jung helped me a lot in my twenties. Also realized through reading The Hero with a Thousand Faces, I had went through Joseph Campbell's Heroes Journey.
maybe he IS dr. who... how else he knows so much? maybe he has a tardis... maybe he has personally spoken to all the ancient philosophers and witnessed human history first hand... it's possible...
Reading Jung was a life saver for me. Reading young is absolutely maginifcant. It's like his words are the seed for a wonderful transformation of one's self. I could feel it while reading, I just felt the truth in it.
Yep. You might like the tradition I ended up in it's called Drukama. Check it out if you are like me and interested in practice beyond intellectual learning. Be well!
I took a psychology of Dreams class during the fall 2019 semester at my community college in Las Vegas and his entire curriculum was based around the works of Carl Jung.
Dreams are largely interpretive, and therefore heavily based in symbolism. Any course based on psychological symbolism that doesn't heavily lean upon the writings of Jung is about as useful as a course on color theory taught by a blind man.
What he said about never conceptualizing the questions Jung ask is so true, just hearin the phrase collective unconscious scares me and excites me to this day
ToxicBlum...you are right to be scared of the collectiv unconscious...everything that we...as individuals denied to ourselves...for all different reasons... somebody else have to do it or be it...so lots of unfinished business there.. lol
Can you guys believe that people are wasting their lives way arguing about political opinions that really don’t matter when they could discuss jungian theory or Nietzsche and philosophy in general, it’s so sad, this is my favorite video on Jordan Peterson I haven’t found one this good in a while
Gehn Saavedro I actually don’t watch Jordan Peterson anymore because I got what I wanted from him and Carl Jung I still have their books but I got what I needed, people shouldn’t praise either of them or anyone else for that matter
Well If you are going to be a scientist that links the mechanical physics and the quantum physics, for example, You either did it by adding the cherry on the cake, which is no easy task by itself, Or you start building the cake which will require you to sacrifice a big part of your life for most of your life. Which will fck you up at some point
Insane is fake-smart for "I'm uncomfortable and intimidated." There's no objective definition of insanity, it's a measure of how secure the average non contributing lump feels next to someone. It's also a legal term, still subjective.
Reminds me of how it blew my mind that not everybody has a whole film running in their minds when they read a book. That there are people who just understand what is going on when they read, that others hear it in their minds, that others see the pictures but have no audio in their minds... Differences of thinking processes are just interesting.
I heard about Jung before but I would’ve never imagined how.. incredible his work was until Dr. Peterson introduced his mind through his videos. Amazing work, very very useful for me on my journey
@@kalkidanabrham742 Indeed ... The more I read about Tesla, the more I understand that, whilst people thought him as being crazy, he was a undisputed genius ... but very bad at making the right political allies ... Edison was also a genius, abet not nearly as conceptual as Tesla, but was able to cultivate political connections that lead to too many doors being slammed in Tesla's face ... The irony is, if someone was able to give him the then equal to $500 million (which is roughly the equivalent to the budgets of 2-3 Hollywood movies) in today's money, God only knows what Tesla may have been able to achieve. In fact, if someone was able to give him $750 million, Tesla may very well have been able to change the world compared to what we know it now ...
It is the rotten core of society. People who complain about everything with unwarranted hate are not any different to politicians. It's the sign of an educated mind to be able to entertain an idea without accepting it
Can any of ever tell a profound story without the use of an archetypal element? I believe it was actually Jung who said that we all live out an archetype, and suggested that if you can't recognize which character you're playing, then your story is probably not going to go the way you want it to go.
@@Truth5eeker33check out Joseph Campbell; he lays it out very well and influenced people such as George Lucas, who created Star Wars. Here is the list by Joseph Campbell. 1. Hero 2 Mentor 3 ally 4 Herald 5 Trickster 6 Shapeshifter 7 Guardian 8 Shadow
And in Skyrim, I think that you can really get the idea that you gain power through fighting your dragons because you can display your absorbed power in quite a straight-forward manner.
I am 24. And I love Jung. Most of Jung's ideas resonate with me on personal level. I even applied Jung's theory of the Archetypes on Joker (2019) for my final thesis.
You know it amazes many westerners still don't know about Eastern philosophy and religion. I probably would be in a much worse place now I didn't get in to Zen Buddhism and Taoism. Lucid dreaming is an awesome experience at times. I often meditate to higher frequencies to get into a Lucid dream state. If someone told me 3 years ago that Lucid dreaming was possible. I probably would have thought they we're crazy.
From what I have seen so far, many autistic people who can remember insane amounts of stuff or can solve math problems in their head seem to think in images. I watched a documentary a while back about a math guy who viewed two numbers as one shape each and the results would reveal himself as the shape between the two forms. And when he calculated the number of pi in his head, he just saw a landscape go by as if he drives by. Thats just crazy. I guess that might also be the reason why the concept of a mind-palace works. I wonder if the rise of sophisticated speech accually prohibits this kind of thinking or if this "way of thinking" is just "hardcoded" in our brains.
@Sam Ov The Wirral from Seth answer, I understand that your way of thinking may be disappearing. I only think in words, and I can't really imagine how is thinking in images.
I think in images too, even when I manipulate words I write them out visually in my minds eye. It's always jarring when a word looks differently on paper from how imagine it even if its the same word.
Conscerning lucid dreaming: my Tibetan philosophy teacher and guide while in Bodahnot Kathmandu Nepal, who happens to be a kind of Canadian clown, introduced me to an individual with a Tibetan title of Daikini. The Daikini in the Tibetan system, is a lucid dreamer that can go into your dream to help you with your personal growth.
I was introduced to Jung through Persona 4 Golden and I am so glad. His view of concious, subconscious, personas, shadows etc. all makes so much sense to me
No no no no no. Wrong as fuck dog. Speed it up instead cause all you are doing is programming your subconscious mind to process information slower. If everybody knew what I know about how to control the brain all the way down to a chemical level through thoughts you would see everything diffrently....===imagine a new color you have never see==== thats my level of knowledge. Im only 24 and have no degree in anything but literally have my own theories already are so advanced my mom called me mentally ill as I was explaining it to her no s*** so I Googled psychology cuz I could have lied to myself about what I thought I knew but Jordan Peterson is it explaining anything that I have not already thought about. But at the same time I don't have a degree so I don't know all the terminology involved in psychology but what I'm saying here is all the stuff I don't know about psychology are things you don't need to now cause what people don't realize are the details don't matter when you ask questions the question already should tell you the answer. Just found out im in the 4% of the worlds pop that has this ability
After watching this video yesterday, I asked my Intro to Psychology Course Professor why weren't we seeing Jung, and why is he forbidden from university content. He answered: well he's Freud's disciple, so it's more of the same, there's no point in seeing him. Peterson is, as usual, right.
Zyanya O'Neill sounds like you have a shit professor. :p It's okay most people aren't any good at their jobs no matter how long they have been doing them. That's why it is up to a person to expand their own horizons and study and seek out mentors worthy of their time and efforts.
6:05 Jung's father was a priest and young Carl had a religious education. So that might explain the vividness of his imagination and the ability to think in images. Because religious stories are stories to say the least and in order to understand them you need to picture yourself in the position of their heroes or to imagine yourself being under their context. So it's quite an exercise
@@stevesheldon8616 Not necessarily ... Kinsey, backed by Masters and Johnson, that few people cluster as being absolutely straight, or absolutely gay, but, rather like any distribution curve, cluster closer to the middle ... That is somewhat disputed, given the arguments over research methods, but I based on everything I have so far read, my hypothesis is that women would cluster more towards bring bisexual, thus form more of a single curve, whilst men cluster towards mostly straight, but can be attracted to specific men, whilst gay men cluster towards being attracted to other men, but can also be attracted to specific women, with far fewer men being bisexual, thus forming a double curve ... But that is just pure conjecture; I need to spend at least two years, doing meta-analysis of all the current available data and studies, before producing a more concrete conclusion ... TL;DR: just because a man can be attracted to a very specific man, doesn't automatically mean he is completely gay ... for all you know, he may be bisexual, or is just attracted to very specific men ... Sex and Gender may both be a binary, but human sexuality, and attraction, isn't necessarily one, either ...
Yes the pattern seen, was the diabolical insane criminality of those who claim authority. True compassion does not need to claim any authority for it is simply the truth. Our true creator has never claimed authority over the flesh of man so you would know the evil who does claim authority upon this earth.
Whether or not time is well spent entirely depends on your goals. If your goal it to enjoy yourself and playing games does, then playing (in this case)Skyrim is a good use of your time.
Guys, I'm on your side. I have a few friends and acquaintances who play video games. They all have one a few things in common: 1. They lack social skills, because they don't wanna learn them, for which the only way is interaction,whether pleasant or unpleasant. Actually, that's not entirely true, cause you can learn a lot about people from psychology books...whoch they don't read, cause they're too busy playing the fuckin games. 2 They are all very modestly informed and educated...again, because a day only lasts so long ans if you have 500 hrs of dark souls on your...psp account, of course you didn't have time to learn other shit. 3. They all lack qualifications for a decent job...and those that do, they actually spend their working hours at their computers, whoch just makes their lifestyle sedentary af. Ok, I'm not sayong don't play any of those...but do you have...idk, a time limit? Ypu know, like an alarm or smth? I have my osw perspectove snd you hsve yours. Plesse tell me more about your reasoning when you decide to devote such a large portion or this limited and precious time on earth to vieo games. How the hell is it worth it,? Is it escapism? Would you rather do somethong else, but can't for whateber reason? I would like to know as much as you'd like to share about your view of video games, so that I can habe a more informed opinion. Thank you to anybody who will read this comment and soend the energy to reply. Peace
I waste SO much time & emotional energy, fighting dragons that, when I really think about it, aren’t really in my way, or are not at all relevant to me.....
A slaughterhouse is an absolutely horrific place, especially for someone raised in the modern world. It's not just the sights, but the sounds, and smells. Also, the uncaring, industrialized nature of it all- even in a relatively primitive setting, like with the Amish- is soul-wrenching. You realize several things going through such a place: first, is that this is all a product of the world; that the world is cruel and savage, and rewards such behavior. Thus, for you to eat meat, this must happen. Then, there is the reality that the animals being processed are not necessarily stupid. The pigs, especially, are very aware of what's going on, and the noise they make is horrific. Yet, much like us, pigs delight in flesh and can ignore, or maybe even revel in, the suffering of the being they're consuming. But when it is their time, oh how they complain. Much like us. St. Paul was right when he said that the devil was the god of this world. Even the trees and flowers draw their nutrients from the decaying remains of those killed by this place.
It is horrific to you maybe. People lave been slaughtering animals for hundreds of thousands of years, pigs, sheep, horses, cows etc. It is how world works. It is how we got enough nutrition for our brains to develop. I grew up in the countryside, I grew up next to animals, I fed them, cleaned them, medicated them, buried them when they suddenly died and when my family needed it, slaughtered them. It is primal, yes, but it has always been that way. To think of something as natural as that to be "horrific" is honestly arrogant. Don't forget that men killed other men for 100k years, with those same smells, screams, sights... We should be overjoyed we only do that to animals now.
Yooo same. How do you learn how to think in words? Cause I want to have that power. Nothing is more frustrating than the inability to articulate a complex thought.
Concepts are mere images. Symbols with an abstract and undefined form. That's why you have to translate them. You define in words what the concept (symbol/image) means. I think in words and concepts when I'm alone but with people I think mostly in concepts. So can translate thoughts more clearly when alone but around people not so much because of the extra elements of immediacy and anxiety.
that was my thought too - translating my thoughts into either words or images is still not the original thought. It's more like that impulse on the cusp of movement - if you try to identify the impulse that leads to movement, you can sit there telling a limb to move without it moving, but the moment you stop trying to identify it, movement can happen. Same with all thoughts - the words or the image is a movement, but not the impulse.
@@thisistoday9560 i disagree with "concepts are mere images" because i have the experience of using them separately for the same objective, and i find both to be different to thinking in words. Let's say for example that I'm talking to someone about going either to a concert or to a movie, for the most part of the dialogue I'm thinking in words. However, if I'm asked about my preference at that time (like if I'm asked: what do you feel like doing today?), i enter the conceptual way of thinking for a few seconds and empatize with one option more than another. But then there is my experience of designing complex mechanical systems, and i don't think in words at all then. I can clearly visualize each component both statically and moving, or the whole system in those states, or part of it also in both states. This is done purely in images, yet, when i think not how it moves but to which purpose the system serves and which part is for what, i think purely conceptually. For example, I'm in the middle of designing and i have most of the central mechanism already figured out, now i see that some part of it creates a problem or two. My brain goes "well, i need something that takes care of that", so i know the purpose of the part even if i haven't imagined one possible way to design it, it's a mere descriptive abstraction (or abstract description) until i start designing. I might even happen that the conceptual description of the part not only includes the purpose but the lack of possibility, which happens when my brain goes "well, i need something that takes care of that, even though i don't have any space left". When i think that i don't really visualize the lack of space, I've already conceptualized it beforehand in some previous moment so it's something that i already know. I also notice that when I'm talking or thinking about more abstract things like law or philosophy i don't engage visually at all, but i do enter that meditative way of thinking which is clearly different from word thought. For me the conceptual and visual ways of thinking are very different from one another. The three of them feel very different when you are immersed fully into one. Cheers!
Thinking in words imo is a bad habit. It limits and slows the way you think, because it puts your mind into a framework. There are things words can't describe fully. They're like pointing fingers, which point to something. You should focus on the "something" instead of the fingers. Better learn how to properly formulate your wordless concepts and thoughts whenever needed, by broadening your vocabulary and knowledge. Instead of trying to instantly formulate the flow of wordless concepts and ideas, you let the flow do its thing, and then try to formulate it once its finished. More efficient, quicker and let's you explore areas you wouldn't be able to with words. I actually trained myself to not think with words (unlearned the bad habit), I feel like my mind has become clearer, I have more spare attention to focus on "the now" or wander in memories, future speculations. Also let's me to grasp or notice things I wouldn't be able to otherwise.
I reject the notion that we think in either words or images. We think in thoughts. Sometimes I think in sound. Thoughts are something deeper than just shadows of words and sensory data.
I was studying Jung at the same time I was taking a LIt course on mythology which was a wonderful,thought provoking combination...I had taken a Comparative Religions course the semester before, learning universal stories of the flood, creation etc etc across many cultures....so all,those together , taught me there is a deep great undercurrent in human minds shared across cultures. which you are noted for joining together in your lectures, and rightly so. I so enjoy your, lectures and am very glad they have been "discovered"by a general viewing public..loved this Jordan...life seen through a glass darkly . Mostly,I am a behaviorist and was a cognitive behavioral clinical therapist as well,as a psych prof.but there is deeper meaning inside us for certain. I am very thankful for my double major as an undergrad...psych and English Lit.THANKS for feeding my mind! Much appreciated. Sybil Francis PhD
I had the same reaction when reading Jung. Sobering anxiety when confronted with the vastness of the concious mystery through his mind. Jung is quite an intense read.
The thing about Jordan, thats maybe why he is so attractive when you hear him, is that he talks like a preacher.. it feels like he is selling u something.
Exactly. And he is selling something. He is selling recipes of how to live. He acts like a coach, not as a pscyhologist or psychoanalyst like Jung (ironically), Freud and others. A true psychologist or a true psychoanalyst doesn't do that. A psychologist or psychoanalyst knows people are different, feel different, think different, have different tastes, different weakenesses and different capabilities in different times of their lives. Thus, he/she will not tell his/her own idea of what it is and how to reach a meaningful and good life. Instead, he/she will help one to find one's own truth by oneself. In a time when people are completely lost, living in the short term reality of the financial world, where every transcendental, lasting and not metrifiable cultural and collective value that guided humanity for millennia was reduced to or substituted by materialistic, financial and metrifiable value, theses gurus attract lots and lots of people anguished by existencial emptiness, doubt and fear.
He's selling you on the idea the what he's saying is more profound than it really is. He's a salesman selling his product, and people who normally don't listen to psychiatrists pay attention because he railed against modern feminism and identity politics. Look at the top comments, it's people who think "you shouldn't be fighting dragon's that aren't in your way" is profound life advice. That's just another way to say "choose your battles wisely," which has been a popular axiom for a very long time. He spices it up with language that makes it seem fresh and original, and the people who can't be bothered to sift through the word salad just accept it as some profound insight.
Good comment. However, we all know everything and have known it forever. Life is about having some thoughts on top of the stack of things we focus on. Peterson puts thinks in focus, on top of the pile.
@@justsomeguy8385 incorrect, battles happen all the time and can be big or small, scary or not scary, a battle could be making sure you don’t miss cleaning your face even though you’re tired, the conceptualization of the dragon puts the emphasize on overwhelming size and fear, to me the dragon represents a massive road block, a massive challenge, a massive deep insecurity that gets to your core. It’s conquering your fears, it’s conquering demons, there is a specific grandiosity that slaying Dragons conceptualizes that is not conceptualized by blanket battles, and when you slay the dragon, you are rewarded with treasure, this is another point that is entirely missed with “pick your battles”. Your attempt to shit on Peterson just shows your own shitty ego and lack of intelligence, Peterson is very good at speaking his thoughts in a way that leaves an impact on people, that isn’t something to mock, that’s a skill, and it’s a deadly skill in combination with intelligence, many intelligent people can’t speak well and they’re lesser for it.
@@cryptocaesar8972 You're trying way too hard to sound smart there. JP didn't say anything profound. That's a fact. And he just reworded an old axiom so people think it's original.
Jung also studied Astrology, actually he used to analize his clients birth chart to understand them better. He was so ahead of his (and our) time realizing that these kind of ancient knowledge, like alchemy or astrology, is not "obsolete" or absurd, but quite the opposite: it's an important source of knowledge of the human psyche and of the archetypes. A genius!
I'm like most of us that have gleaned knowledge of Jung through Dr.Peterson, and it's been a little over a year since I discovered his lectures. Might be time to cut out the middle man and go straight to the source 🤔
Dr Peterson- Thank you for your heartfelt work. It’s very refreshing to hear someone insist that people take some responsibility for the OTHER people in their lives. 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸😎👍🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
There is a 3rd category of thinking: The closest way I can describe it is "relational" or "intention-based." This doesn't use words or pictures, but when the Holy Ghost is activated, words and pictures are merely a sidebar, imposed by the ego (the opposite of the true spiritual self). After the completion of one very potent set of self-counseling ("meditation"), I found myself, for an entire week, with complete mental silence; no noisy background chatter. Only an occasional, intentioned mental verbalization into the midst of that silence. It was quite wonderful to experience. A couple of decades later, a Tibetan Buddhist monk revealed to his audience, of which I was a member, that he had only achieved 2 contiguous seconds of mental silence, in all his years of meditation. Fascinating stuff...
Thinking about how you think is a strange endeavor. It's akin to trying to think of how you dream. Even if you think you know the answer, you could quite possibly be wrong. For me, it seems like a conversation with myself.
You just thought about thinking and i dont think it was strange. And Yes, you can be skeptical about everything, including the idea that maybe you wrote this comment to yourself from my account without you remembering. But what’s the point in that?
@daniel yehoshua I have High Functioning Autism and I'm INTJ. When I think of something, I imagine a blank, undefined mathematical value that has no image and no words. I can't usually know what its exact value is, but I can compare it to other values to see whether it is equal, more, or less valuable.
@@jacobwiren8142 This is mad, I never heard of that before. As an engineer myself I think in words and pictures but in numbers, this is a whole new thing
george bernard shaw - " 2% of people think. 3% of people think they think. 95 % of people would rather die than think. i've built an international reputation thinking 2 or 3 times a year"
@@jacobwiren8142 when an autistic person feels disturbed by circumstances that break their routine, is it a reaction to the circumstances not being 'equal' to the expected pattern?
When I visited the psych ward I mentioned Jung. They suggested it was probably one of the reasons I was there and to stay clear. When your lost and it’s the only thing that makes sense/ gives you hope, well you go down 🕳🐇 .
literally! thinking in words is much slower than just going with that sense and that sense might be wrong but it never gets me hurt, worst is I miss out. Pictures are a blur but when pictures show it's like a simple graph, diagram of shorts showing how an idea is in relation to another. I can't believe my whole fucking environment was trying to rip that away from me. It's been a strange stroke of luck that I reconnected with this part that has been beaten out of me. Fucking thinking ever, was a damn curse.
Some people think in images others in words and some can do both. It’s a bit of a balancing act across different parts of the brain. Personally, I believe Jung had a form of thought-feelings when he was engaging both applicable and abstract ideas. I say that because he was believed to be an INFJ personality and I too am of the same. The best way to describe it is to image sitting with someone while you listen to their experience. At the same time you are experiencing that situation in your minds eye AND in your emotional center. You feel what they feel and think, and though there are gaps because you can only know what they have said (and how they say it) combined with the extrapolation of the whole that you’ve discussed, it creates this anticipation of what they will say they thought, felt and did next. All the while there is the analytical side processing what might be going on inside them both subconsciously or unconsciously. The same can be said when he is reading a book about someone or a complex system. All of the piece are constantly piecing together and when he’s done it’s as if he has read two books - one that he has read and another that he has combined with the lump of his knowledge base, experience, and how he felt what the author was think-feeling as it was being written. Sadly, when he’s done, he will likely reject a portion of those concepts immediately because he will know that it does not connect with how the psyche and soul adhere to the body and mind. The biggest downside to this is that it’s difficult to communicate thoughts back without constant pauses in communications. It can be terribly frustrating because the mind is thinking three steps ahead so he has to have this constant internal dialogue that’s reminding him to come back so that the person he’s communicating with can understand.
Jung was an INFJ personality type. Jordan was asking about thinking in words, pictures, or both; however, there is a more complex component that he did not consider and that is the thought-feeling. I say this because I too am an INFJ and after a good deal of self assessment and study have found that all of these items give insight and understanding. Personally, I think in words and pictures (like Peterson suggested) but also have a thought-feeling component. A thought-feeling is where you are bringing together large and small scale social dynamics and can understand them based on the feelings you get by that observation. The INFJ type has this natural ability to be able to connect these thought-feelings together quickly rather than trying to abstractly combine them through logic. To do this it requires a level of developed intelligence, intuition, and connected to human emotion. INFJ personality types are known for being able to have these thought-feelings but I've never actually seen them described in an academic journal or text.
Jacob C - It is when you can put many of them together and think in a fluid way. At that point it is very much like thinking in statements and sentences and no different than words or pictures. It may seem like a sixth sense and because it generally requires a level of intuition I can see why someone would think that.
I too am an INFJ and the emotion thinking thing you were describing is 100% accurate. I base most my decisions off this when it comes to interacting with others. Ughhhhh I just want to explore my mind more and figure out wtf is going on.
Thanks for saving me 10 years! I couldn't of said it better myself :P but seriously this brought me to tears as Jordan has a tendency to touch you straight in the heart and get you all choked up. To what levels would be the challenging question but I will let my previous words and actions speak for themselves.
I use to see things in my mind that i can't really speak about but they always seems to explain things to me in a much deeper level than any sentence i could thing of.
"Mans's task is...to become conscious of the contents that press upward from the unconscious. Neither should he persist in his unconsciousness nor remain identical with the unconscious elements of his being,thus evading his destiny, which is to create more and more consciosness. As far as we can discern, the sole purpose of human existence is to kindle a light in the darkness of mere being."(Carl Jung)
Incredibly informative video. I am going to investigate Carl Jung further now. The part that particularly resonated with me is how you spoke of Car as being high in openness and able to think in words and images extremely well, and how rare that is.
GLEVUM REX isn't that the one spirits dictated to him? It's in the intro to the red book. Strange phenomena kept happening in his house and scaring his family until he sat down to write it.
"Listen to Seven Sermons" on TH-cam. If you start Jung at Seven Sermons, you wouldnt understand a word of it. I highly doubt you understood one sentence of it, seeing as it's literally the last work of Jung that would make sense to someone who hasnt read the entire Red Book, which requires ALL of Jungs Collective Works to understand, and the single worst to recommend
I've come to believe dreams are not a single phenomenon. There are true visions, gifts that are donated beyond any natural capacity or expectation of the individual. This is associated with genius. There are also spiritual interventions, warnings or advice from spiritual beings or possibly the deceased. Some good, others not so. However the majority of dreams are our consciousness negotiating itself, played out through disparate characters. I came to this realisation when confronting belligerent personalities in lucid dreams. They knew my own worst doubts and fears, and most were recognisable people, but when confronted their statements were not fully intelligible. Pursuing them for their exact meaning resulted in them mouthing fractured nonsense, at which point the personality itself fell to pieces. I was forced to conclude they were all "me".
Cool video. It is very interesting to see his perspective and experiences with the matters he learned from his teachings. A really interesting thinker and academic
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To see the full lecture:
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I am going to watch the FULL lecture. *ONLY BCUZ* I found the link as it flashed on the video. Coincidence is SUPPOSED TO BE RARE. Shit it getting weird in my life.
London XijaX you’re not alone
TheArchangel911 - Thanks for the link, but I find your bite-size clips much better; they're thoughtfully edited and allow me to confront one or two dragons at a time.
I'm sure I owe JP something for all these vidz
But I can't think what that is lol Ghos*tRider
I ain't ghost rider. JP can come see me if he wants to. Ps. I've gone way beyond coincidence. And the occurrence of synchronicity is such that I already tested it to make sure it wasn't some super quantum computer sitting in the black hole of our galaxy
The first rule of Jungian philosophy is nobody talks about Jungian philosophy.
The second rule is -Don’t talk about Freud Club
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@rustytr Jung going batshit crazy under the weight of his own intellect ruined Jung
His name was Carl Jung, his name was Carl Jung.
Tis a dark place. And doesn't always end well.
"you arent supposed to be fighting dragons that arent in your way" - holding onto that one. 🔥
the more dragons you slay the stronger you become
@@RandomPerson28337 Not if they're somebody else's dragons.
@@joshjames582 doesnt matter a dragon is a dragon by helping others you help yourself no wonder people today are so weak and idealize others around them
I have no idea what you're blubbering about, but George R Martin gets to decide what a Dragon is in his own books. Especially since Dragons are fantasy creatures and can be whatever he says they are. I'm sorry to hear that distresses you and puts sand in your vagina, but it is what it is. Maybe help yourself instead of preaching to me about help, and remain silent to circumvent further embarrassment.
@@joshjames582 hehe someones sounds butt hurt and guilty noticed i never said people not "you". open your eyes bro and get out your little bubble.
Jung is 2:16 _"so damn smart that he can think up answers to questions that you don't even - it's not like you don't understand the answers, it's that you never conceptualize the damn questions."_
I'm reminded of Schopenhauer's quip:
*"Talent hits a target no one else can hit.*
*Genius hits a target no one else can see."*
Yes! He understood his own levels of mind and it's process I think to the point that the same process applies to all people. I'm delving into the mystic aspect of this in the Drukama tradition and using the collective unconsciousness to bring aspects of self into the light of realization. Check it out if you get the chance. Be well!
I love this. Jung's work is also slammed with Schopenhauer footnotes and quotes.
I’m a genius!
Intellectuals solve problems
Geniuses prevent them
Nothing like peeing on a ghost's leg.
One of my favourite quotes:
“What you resist, persists”
― C.G. Jung
That’s beautiful. I heard a story that he went to meet Ramana Maharshi in India but couldn’t commit when he landed in India. He loved his knowledge and intellect. Can’t blame him.
ok, so i will stop dealing with non-existent lies, vomiting of JP, Jung and anyone ...
will matter stop existing, when i will stop dealing with it, resisting (using) it? hm, death looks so, the body is dead, but the matter doesnt vanish, i guess ... or it is also a rule we are resisting - the law of conservation of matter/energy?
Kyle
- i think i like Ramana Maharishi, maybe the only person talking about death and i dont have problem with it, maybe ... or is he just similar weird and useless, ignorant, stupid like me? but if others werent (playing) useless (and similar attributes see above ...), they dont need to talk about it vehemently ... maybe he reminds me on Dumbledore a bit ... though i would be very surprised if some (autistic) person wouldnt just vomit ... but what do we have available except vomiting (words, lies)? be silent? thinking mostly in your head, not vomit on others, which is anyway rather/mostly/only misunderstanding (especially if i want to understand, be understood = throwing myself on others without reason, stupidly; wanting = limited, just a part of reality and claimed it is whole reality, because it isnt, unconsciousness)?
Fantastic
@@Truth5eeker33 It's wonderful to see someone here knows about Ramana Maharshi. The intellect can only take us so far; it is the death of the mind that sages like Ramana have done and so explain, laying out the way for all beings. We go down that route of absolute Surrender when we are ready, I suppose, and that sacrifice is great.
"you arent supposed to be fighting dragons that arent in your way"
Me playing Skyrim when my inventory is almost full.
i think he's talking about skyrim
I feel attacked
I swear I'd have to drop so much shit every time I killed a dragon witnesses must have felt like I was building a monument to my kill
I really wonder what that actually means. It could mean a lot of things that come to my mind but I dont know which hypothesis would be the good one.
Scott Covert Daedra merchant is the best merchant in the whole series. My mans is always punctual, has got good deals, and is a suave gentleman.
Academic oppression is as old as the academic profession
There was an interesting moment about this topic in my university (in Germany)
There is a person (I forgot his name), that built upon the ideas of John Rawls and had very valid and well respected work in that regard - I will call him T. I visit a lecture about theories of fairness (or justice, whatever), and John Rawls is an essential part of this lecture, so T is as well.
But: T was acused of being sexist after "failing as a human" with a younger woman. Following that he was basically banned from american universities and lost his status as a person of academic relevance.
While he is basically dead in american universities, and probably some others too, my professor insists that he will not stop building Ts work into his lectures and value his work properly, because it gives important insight into the topic.
Quite a few students were in disbelief that such a "human error" robbes the validity of an important academic person and applauded the professor for still using Ts work.
To be fallible is to be human. Wether you are a giant like Jung and Kant or a contemporary like Pogge.
Any idea of merit will support itself regardless of the origin.
U2
And it rhymes XD
Triffnix sounds like Marxists were the reason that mans work got banned. It’s probably the reason why Jung isn’t involved in many studies. Jung was of aryan descent and the marxist Jews who dominated the academics after WW2 made sure it was their figures that got the spotlight like Karl Marx and Sigmund Freud. Take from this what you will.
Jung is the real deal. He had the balls to call Freud on his bullshit and that took a huge amount of courage. Freud was all about mind control. Jung was about freeing the mind.
The establishment hates Jung and adores Freud. I owe Jung so much.
What’s your view on Wilhelm Reich?
: VEL : Read his book Function of the orgasm, very useful. I have not studied him as much as Jung but I admire his work. Freud ? Pure poison. You only have to look at his legacy. Jung on the other hand gave us the key to the door. The greatest man of his age because he resurrected direct experience of spiritual wisdom without all the poison of religious dogma.
@@brianminghella3312 I am someone interested in learning a bit of these subjects, can you elaborate a little bit on why you think Freud is poison? Thx
Brian Minghella I‘ve got that book just like I got his character analysis but what many don’t know is that reich wanted to puch his own agenda of marxism
: VEL : . Never really picked up on that but marxism is Communism is capitalism. I personally refuse to listen to anyone who pushes politics and party over common sense and reason. I do have some reservations about Reich but he does not interest or engage me that much. I do have experience of all the twisted evil of Freuds model. He wrote the template for MK ultra and all the sick depraved machinations of Mossad/tavistock etc.
Jung gave me enough leads to navigate my own way though and thats far more important than being a ‘disciple’ IMHO.
Petersons take on Jung bothers me in some areas and frankly I don’t think Peterson is stable enough to convey Jungs work and value in a way that is grounded.
Sometimes i see to much self help style sensationalism in Jordan.
You can waste a lot of time processing when really you just need to get out there and live on your own terms. Parrots in cages rarely have much experience to speak of.
It's so funny how he describes the intelligence level of Jung...his description of Jung is about my description of Peterson.
Being as we don't understand to perfection the depths of Peterson's intelligence, even as we see him alive and engaging, is evidence enough that we cannot gauge effectively the intelligence of Jung of Nietzsche as regular individuals. @TheWindAmongTheReeds
you are stupid then
@@desoztoppieter9895 Well, my user name does have 'Clueless' in it. So, you might be onto something there---maybe.
Jung is said to be an INFJ in the Myers Briggs system. I don't know if he took the test. But I am one and i don't think in words or pictures, i think in emotions. I recognize patterns. I dig deeper under the surface of everything because I i want to understand it.
I have a hard time answering questions because when the question is posed, the first thing that happens to me is How it makes me Feel.
My IQ is above average but i don't know exactly. Other people tell me I see things that others don't see. I feel stupid.
@TheWindAmongTheReeds Yeah, he is quite open about the fact that many of his ideas are not his own, but based on the ideas/observations of others. Which is understandable, it takes a special kind of mind to think on the kind of level Peterson describes Jung as being at.
Jordan Peterson definitely thinks in hand signs.
He's not even Italian!
thats semiotics, the immaterial quality of information conveyed by mark and signs.
He's a magician. His slight of hand is impeccable.
Hand talkers are often more straightforward. You can read truth and lies from the way their hands move.
It's been 10 years...but my high school teacher made Jung a part of her class. We were required to read his work. This was a public school.
You were blessed
It's the quality of the teachers that really makes all the difference.
I am very proud of her, and greatful that you Got to experience that!!!
that class which the teacher teaches might be hard one I suspect lmao
You had me until the public school part... what are you, 60?
Jung believed we are beings in search of a Soul. That we are spiritual beings. That did not sit well with most of Academia who were mtrying to make psychology an emperical science.
Science has NEVER been Empirical. That's one of the best tricks they ever pulled and also why Jung is looked down upon. He recognizes that we're all biased. He points it out, doesn't allow it to just "Sit there". He's dangerous because he's genuine and got much closer to the Truth than most.
But Peterson over plays Jung. It's one of the reasons I'm not overly fond of him of late.
they worship science even while being totally un scientific
The problem with empiricism is that the devices we use to apprehend reality (our senses for example) are both limited and prone to error. Anyone who defines the world around him with the tools that science has at our disposal is also going to encounter a line that cannot be crossed. What exists beyond that limitation -- is that not real too?
@@thephilosophersstoned3796 I AM STILL FOND OF HIM, BUT YEAH JUNG HAD LIMITS.. SORRY CAPS LOK
@@rr7firefly We never define "real", because if we did, it's electrical signals being understood and decoded by our brain and that takes all of humanity down an entirely different kind of understanding of what we are.
If we went down that metaphysical road, the "Powers that Were", wouldn't be able to control as they do.
Allow only two sides to each coin, mock and deride or downright shame any who think outside of that and allow the discussion to get as hairy as one wishes in between either pole. Thus allowing the illusion of choice.
Central message of the video: your sub-conscience knows things about you that your conscience represses and is unwilling to acknowledge, which is the central theme of Jungian philosophy.
We're taught quite the opposite of self.sufficiency and understanding, friend
@The Rhino My man, if you can find a way to educate people about this without sounding "preachy" then you're a better man than me.
Thanks for explaining that. I'm not familiar with the theories of famous psychologists, and I can't tell if Jordan explained Jung's underlying theory or not. I think he just assumed people knew what he was talking about, already... or I just missed his explanation.
If you really want to know yourself in that trully terrifying no holds barred kind of way then you will find psilocybin (probably spelled that wrong but that's not important in this context) mushrooms about the best substance to teach you all you want to know about the real you and lots that you really don't want to know but need to. That is so poorly written that I almost deleted it but then I thought "fuck it, most people would benefit from a few deep trips" and I'm very drunk so I care less about how badly it's written and I'm certainly not going to rewrite it for the sake of grammatical aesthetics.
@@Silverhand290 Discipline and meditation work much better than any substance due to a level of control being involved
started lookin into Jung in high school, never stopped that journey, I'm 64
Started at 50. Still learning
started when I was 16. currently 17
What would you recommend to begin with jung's philosophy?
@@josmdg Also curious!
@@ReggaeScopez me too!
"I'm hyper-verbal" I think we all could have guessed that
Yes.
Right.
Approved.
Lol.. yep. And I’m so glad he is. His articulation is easy to follow even when the topic is complex.
Jordan’s fanboy moment for Jung... so purely satisfying to watch..
Dostojewski showed people what they might be, namely moral people. The self-centered posers could either pretend to be such or dismiss him as religious, and thus not applicable to them.
Jung, on the other hand, showed them what they actually were, he put up the mirror in front of all the mediocre narcissists in public life. Even today, they cannot stand the sight of their actual souls, which is why they avoid, reject and denounce Jung.
This is why they hate Jordan Peterson.
This is why they hate me.
Some people hate truth and good.
If you are like JP, many ppl will hate you, because they want to pretend they don't hate themselves.
Stusstrupp you are a narcissist
David Turner wow you’re way off. Check out how peter coffin OWNS this dumb fuck
@Sench which means JPs writings are BETTER
Well said Stusstrupp!! It's painful & frightening for many to see themselves in a mirror that has no distortion. The truth about ourselves is hard to handle, yet in seeing it and embracing it, we find a real freedom to love our real selves, and others as well! The truth does set you free...if it doesn't push you over the edge first!
1:45 "I would also go out and party three nights a week." *Takes a swig of "water"*
That's vodka
Jes
Based on his current dietary habits I *highly* doubt that he drinks. He and his daughter have been fairly open that the do not consume any sugar or carbs. Alcohol absolutely wrecks you (in a very unpleasant manner) when you're in that state.
Though I get the joke/humor in your comment.. ;)
"He walks around the park, he's got the bottle of water. Everybody thinks it's water, but it's vodka. Oldest trick in the book. I think he learned that from me."
@@Fendamonky
Even though you got the joke. I'm still giving you an r/whoosh just for making me read all that lmao
I was there, remember so well.
Come back Dr.Peterson fast recovery
"There's a reason you absorb power when you overcome enemies in videogames" -changed muy life!
What if I am the dragonborn, but I just dont know it yet?
@JediFlavored Soap Because JP is saying that we like videogames because they reflect our reality and mind, not because we go to videogames to scape from reality, as many believe...
Really deep observation if you open your ears a little.
@JediFlavored Soap
Sure, no offense or whatsoever is taken. Relax.
I would say only that if you want bilateral messeges, you shouldn't come to the comment section and instead try a Private Messege. Also, my comment goes more in the intention to add to the context rather than answer a meaningless question to me.
@JediFlavored Soap
It could seem that. Sure. It is text on the Internet.
Appropiate or inappropiate is not even relevant.
Pew pew pew pew pew!
When Prof. Peterson speaks of how in awe he is of Jung (a feeling I share, although I have not mastered him to the degree Prof. Peterson has), I feel the same way about Jordan Peterson. He is so articulate and so eclectic as he draws from so many sources when he speaks! Also, his passion! I saw one of his videos where he was speaking of people trying to find themselves and move towards greater individuation, in Jung's terms. The passion and emotion in his voice as he tried to describe the struggle to be human in a mature and full sense was awe inspiring. Truly, Prof. Peterson is one of the intellectual giants of our day. I'd love to meet him and talk with him but fear I would be intimidated by him.
We are so blessed to have his voice and his wisdom at this time in history.
You can be too just read Jung e
I went to one of Peterson’s 12 rules for life tour events and sat in the front row but didn’t have the courage to meet him because I hadn’t perfected the question I wanted to ask him and because I was too nervous lol I feel the same as you about Jung and Peterson. They changed my life and feel like a type of soulmate. Not in a romantic way of course lol
He draws from various disciplines, most of which he has no expertise in, like physiology and human biology. This is a classic tactic used by scholars to avoid criticism by their peers. Since Jordan’s peers are social scientists and psychologists - they cannot counter the points he makes from other fields like (like human biology). Most scholars stick to their domain because they understand they have a lot more to master in that domain. People who are narcissistic and think that they’re already better than their peers, constantly bring other subjects into a debate and pretend to know everything about it, when they really are only qualified to comment on their domain of expertise (which in Jordan’s case is social sciences and human psychology)
Sarath Sunil he’s not just a scholar. He’s a clinical psychologist and I would argue intellectual although he says no because he actually lives out his belief system. He indeed knows about biology and it does have ties to social science lol You don’t know what you’re talking about. He doesn’t include it to avoid criticism, he talks about biology because you can’t have the discussion about archetypes and belief systems without talking about biology because it does play a roll. You should watch more of his videos because you clearly don’t understand the importance of what he is bringing back to our culture.
B C yes but what he says is not what actual biologist agree to be true. Little knowledge can be dangerous. If a biologist start a psych clinic would you get therapy from him? I am guessing no. When Jordan Peterson asserts certain things as biological facts, he doesn’t know enough / or deliberately ignores the context of that scientific conclusion. But somehow people find it reasonable to believe it all without critiquing or researching further on their own
When I attended university as an undergrad for my BA in philosophy I ran head long into this issue.
Jung was laughed at, and yet my greatest position that I was able to acquire was Jung first edition of his Red Book.
It’s one of the most complicated books I’ve ever read.
But with that level of push back I received from being “open” to other thoughts and ideas makes me realize Academia no longer serves the purpose of thought, rather indoctrination.
It’s what kept me a deist/theist rather than agnostic/atheist.
Because of there lack of imagination to at least entertain something other than there own thoughts and opinions.
People are encouraged to bathe in their own self perceived intelligence by understanding what is, and therefor close their mind to what could be. Only a few have the courage to entertain what cannot yet be explained, and are torn down by those who exist in the comfort and arrogance of what they think they know.
@@jmstheman wow . 🙂
@@martinburrows6844
How the hell did you get a BA without knowing the difference between there/their?
UAAphilosphyBA - Academic faculties are largely a "mafia of the mediocre". Careerists who won't stray from the straight and narrow, who won't risk anything, who join groupthink and together keep out outsiders. Bureaucrats who categorise, catalogue, classify. Historians more than philosophers. The difference between a historian of art rather than a creative artist like Picasso. A historian of chess rather than a great chess player like Fischer. A historian of music rather than a composer like Beethoven, Bach, Beatles...
"You get the dragon's powers when you kill him"
*Skyrim soundtrack intensifies*
Highlander!
Imagine the executioner of psychopaths,
Venturing into the abyss daily...
Having watched Peterson's clip on quitting porn, I am terrified of what those powers might be.
Megaman
How about seeing a horizon that slaps yesterday's ph into 50 shades of Cinderellas💦💫👑🦸
Dr. Peterson is so generous for including sign language and speech at the same time
Ty Doc.
Why are people so quick to dismiss Jung?
because he wasnt solely identified to materialistic reductionistic thinking.
Because he is Asian
@Nicholas Maximovich HAHA
Probably because everyone loves Freudian teachings, and since Jung is his protege and then said Freud was wrong in a lot of areas probably rubbed people in the wrong way. However, if you actually look underneath the surface you would see that he just took what he conversed with Freud about and applied his own knowledge into those fields of analytical science. In fact, I would even say Jung’s work is more matured than Freud’s.
To simplify what I said: Jung has a lot of... opinions, or personal conceptual ruminations and it is important to know where to distinguish opinion from science. A lot of people do not have the capability to do so.
Yep and literally all his opponents just discredit him on the basis of mentioning jung..
He seems to mention him a bit too much when he could use more examples other than Nietzsche & Jung.
@@EresirThe1st I don't have a particular issue with it, but i'm suggesting how it can be slightly tedious, given there are hundreds of prolific thinkers to associate Philosophy & Psychology with.
@@TheEternalOuroboros Peterson mentions hundreds of other intellectuals in his talks, its not his fault that Jung and Freud supercede and eclipse them all in his line of work.
@@RadioPolytechnique I've watched hundreds of hours of JP and i've found that 60% of the time he goes on tangents about Jung or Freud. I agree, however i think he could gain some more credibility by sharing other ideas from different figures. This is simply a nitpick on JP's lecturing, of course- but a suggestion to further his prowess.
@@TheEternalOuroboros Well, that's a fair enough opinion to have. I don't think Peterson's expeditions in to Freudian and Jungian territory are tangential in any meaningful sense of the word, considering just how much of the human psyche their works have addressed. Few others can boast of such a comprehensive scope of intellectual inquiry, and the pervasiveness of their ideas makes them substantially more relevant than any of the theorists solely focused on any of the diverse areas in which their ideas intersect. Personally I can't get enough of them, and as someone who has studied psychology at the University level I only needed to read the works of the majority of theorists once or twice to get the gist of their entire body of work. Freud and Jung require infinitely more attention and perseverance to fully digest.
After coming home from a deployment to Iraq I read The Undiscovered Self.. Reading Jung helped me a lot in my twenties. Also realized through reading The Hero with a Thousand Faces, I had went through Joseph Campbell's Heroes Journey.
@Mitch Best one
That's awesome!
Til Valhalla, homeboy. Good on you for seeking in the face of hardship.
Dr Jordan Peterson should be the next Doctor on Dr Who
He would have to change his gender first to satisfy the minority on the production crew.
Would't that be a sight to see :)
Kamila Jusinska he’s too over powered for that universe ha
Sorry that position has already been set aside for an ethnic LGBTQ’s single mum-dad
maybe he IS dr. who... how else he knows so much? maybe he has a tardis... maybe he has personally spoken to all the ancient philosophers and witnessed human history first hand... it's possible...
"You aren't supposed to fight dragons that aren't in your way". Beautifully understated comment that belies its level of profoundness.
Reading Jung was a life saver for me. Reading young is absolutely maginifcant. It's like his words are the seed for a wonderful transformation of one's self. I could feel it while reading, I just felt the truth in it.
What book would u recommend?
Yeah what book?
@@Mono_Lithicc thanks!
jung was a clever fella that's why they didn't like him
A bit like our Jordan.
“Clever fella” :)
It's funny, the people in this thread don't understand what the original commenter meant by "Clever Fella".
@@ihazmethodz7806 aboriginal
Era Productions “Clever Fella” is the English transposition of the word Shaman.
There's no psychoanalyst in history that had more influence on my personal development than Jung.
Yep. You might like the tradition I ended up in it's called Drukama. Check it out if you are like me and interested in practice beyond intellectual learning. Be well!
Freud was a cokehead. All you need to know about him.
I took a psychology of Dreams class during the fall 2019 semester at my community college in Las Vegas and his entire curriculum was based around the works of Carl Jung.
Dreams are largely interpretive, and therefore heavily based in symbolism. Any course based on psychological symbolism that doesn't heavily lean upon the writings of Jung is about as useful as a course on color theory taught by a blind man.
I probably listened to this Peterson video 30 times on several different channels. It’s one of those recommendations that never stops
Just listening Dr. Peterson talk about anything seems to provide me more relief than speaking with most therapists.
What he said about never conceptualizing the questions Jung ask is so true, just hearin the phrase collective unconscious scares me and excites me to this day
Azurenightsky did u ever watch his personality lecture over Jung?
ToxicBlum...you are right to be scared of the collectiv unconscious...everything that we...as individuals denied to ourselves...for all different reasons... somebody else have to do it or be it...so lots of unfinished business there..
lol
Can you guys believe that people are wasting their lives way arguing about political opinions that really don’t matter when they could discuss jungian theory or Nietzsche and philosophy in general, it’s so sad, this is my favorite video on Jordan Peterson I haven’t found one this good in a while
Gehn Saavedro I actually don’t watch Jordan Peterson anymore because I got what I wanted from him and Carl Jung I still have their books but I got what I needed, people shouldn’t praise either of them or anyone else for that matter
One of my favorites from Jung: "I am not what happened to me, I am what I choose to become."
@7:03
It’s just like the Old Gypsy Woman said!”
-Cheryl Tunt
Are we still doing phrasing?
Dear Lord, Jordan Peterson is at another level. I never knew that some people had a blurry minds eye until now.
Yeah people are able to visualize things to different degrees and it can range from very vague to super clear
Conclusion: you have to be on the brink of insanity to actually provide value in any field.
It's hard to get insight when you think the same way as everyone else.
@@ThePathStrider the masses are asses.
Well
If you are going to be a scientist that links the mechanical physics and the quantum physics, for example,
You either did it by adding the cherry on the cake, which is no easy task by itself,
Or you start building the cake which will require you to sacrifice a big part of your life for most of your life.
Which will fck you up at some point
Insane is fake-smart for "I'm uncomfortable and intimidated." There's no objective definition of insanity, it's a measure of how secure the average non contributing lump feels next to someone. It's also a legal term, still subjective.
Reminds me of how it blew my mind that not everybody has a whole film running in their minds when they read a book. That there are people who just understand what is going on when they read, that others hear it in their minds, that others see the pictures but have no audio in their minds... Differences of thinking processes are just interesting.
Imagine someone like JP talk about someone else as "scary smart".. wow
@Michael Hayes exactly brother
I heard about Jung before but I would’ve never imagined how.. incredible his work was until Dr. Peterson introduced his mind through his videos. Amazing work, very very useful for me on my journey
Thank you for plucking out this excerpt; for those who don’t have time to listen for hours, they can still find the pearls in his lectures.
"Jung is the Tesla to Freud's Edison."
Meeehhh
Man this comment
Lmao comparing frued to Edison is so disrespectful it’s not even funny
@kyleb you missed the point. What he is trying to say was freud outshined jung as eddison outshined telsa just because of sherwd polatical decision
@@kalkidanabrham742
Indeed ...
The more I read about Tesla, the more I understand that, whilst people thought him as being crazy, he was a undisputed genius ... but very bad at making the right political allies ...
Edison was also a genius, abet not nearly as conceptual as Tesla, but was able to cultivate political connections that lead to too many doors being slammed in Tesla's face ...
The irony is, if someone was able to give him the then equal to $500 million (which is roughly the equivalent to the budgets of 2-3 Hollywood movies) in today's money, God only knows what Tesla may have been able to achieve.
In fact, if someone was able to give him $750 million, Tesla may very well have been able to change the world compared to what we know it now ...
I find the world a very peculiar place to have so much hate for a clinician who is deeply passionate about helping people. Strange times indeed.
It is the rotten core of society. People who complain about everything with unwarranted hate are not any different to politicians. It's the sign of an educated mind to be able to entertain an idea without accepting it
@@lk8300 so these ppl are probably low in trait openness then lol.
Keep thinking about this.
yeah, kinda like christianity "helps people" lol
Ah, can't have a Jordan Peterson lecture without the mention of slaying dragons
Peterson is a dragon-hating bigot.
No not never nope 😂
Can any of ever tell a profound story without the use of an archetypal element? I believe it was actually Jung who said that we all live out an archetype, and suggested that if you can't recognize which character you're playing, then your story is probably not going to go the way you want it to go.
@@tcruz673 where’s the list of the archetypal characters?
@@Truth5eeker33check out Joseph Campbell; he lays it out very well and influenced people such as George Lucas, who created Star Wars. Here is the list by Joseph Campbell.
1. Hero
2 Mentor
3 ally
4 Herald
5 Trickster
6 Shapeshifter
7 Guardian
8 Shadow
Jordan Peterson is literally describing The Elder Scrolls - Skyrim at one point.
And in Skyrim, I think that you can really get the idea that you gain power through fighting your dragons because you can display your absorbed power in quite a straight-forward manner.
@@one_vegan_boi1097 Man, we could write an essay about the psychology of Skyrim.
I came looking or this comment. Take my "like", good sir.
We're all dragonborn if you think about it
@@Randomness65535 WOW. Nice thought!
Well, thanks for enlightening me on how people think, Peterson's description of how he thinks in words pretty much perfectly describes my experiences.
I am 24. And I love Jung. Most of Jung's ideas resonate with me on personal level. I even applied Jung's theory of the Archetypes on Joker (2019) for my final thesis.
How it went?
@@aimanpietrini7081 It went great. My supervisor loved it.
Lucid dreaming was well known in India since a very long time. There is an entire system of yoga after it, called Nidra Yoga.
thank you . I didn't know about that.
Satanism
You know it amazes many westerners still don't know about Eastern philosophy and religion. I probably would be in a much worse place now I didn't get in to Zen Buddhism and Taoism. Lucid dreaming is an awesome experience at times. I often meditate to higher frequencies to get into a Lucid dream state. If someone told me 3 years ago that Lucid dreaming was possible. I probably would have thought they we're crazy.
I'm interested in the thinking in images and thinking in words dilemma.
From what I have seen so far, many autistic people who can remember insane amounts of stuff or can solve math problems in their head seem to think in images. I watched a documentary a while back about a math guy who viewed two numbers as one shape each and the results would reveal himself as the shape between the two forms. And when he calculated the number of pi in his head, he just saw a landscape go by as if he drives by. Thats just crazy.
I guess that might also be the reason why the concept of a mind-palace works.
I wonder if the rise of sophisticated speech accually prohibits this kind of thinking or if this "way of thinking" is just "hardcoded" in our brains.
@Sam Ov The Wirral from Seth answer, I understand that your way of thinking may be disappearing. I only think in words, and I can't really imagine how is thinking in images.
I need to ask these people in my lucid dreams.. hoping that typing that out may allow me to do that
I think in images too, even when I manipulate words I write them out visually in my minds eye. It's always jarring when a word looks differently on paper from how imagine it even if its the same word.
Gonzalo De Prada how do you all know you think in one or the other or both?
Conscerning lucid dreaming: my Tibetan philosophy teacher and guide while in Bodahnot Kathmandu Nepal, who happens to be a kind of Canadian clown, introduced me to an individual with a Tibetan title of Daikini. The Daikini in the Tibetan system, is a lucid dreamer that can go into your dream to help you with your personal growth.
in the land of make believe....
No one has ever conceptualized the way we think for me. I’m super excited to realize I think in words not pictures! It makes so much sense now.
"The slaughter house nature of existence" That's why I love Jordan, a river of knowledge.
Jordan Peterson, Carl Jung and Lucid Dreaming in one video. My TH-cam binging has been satisfied for today.
I was introduced to Jung through Persona 4 Golden and I am so glad. His view of concious, subconscious, personas, shadows etc. all makes so much sense to me
HAndy tip - slow the speed down a notch so every word can sink in and you can think in-between! Pure gold!
No no no no no. Wrong as fuck dog. Speed it up instead cause all you are doing is programming your subconscious mind to process information slower. If everybody knew what I know about how to control the brain all the way down to a chemical level through thoughts you would see everything diffrently....===imagine a new color you have never see==== thats my level of knowledge. Im only 24 and have no degree in anything but literally have my own theories already are so advanced my mom called me mentally ill as I was explaining it to her no s*** so I Googled psychology cuz I could have lied to myself about what I thought I knew but Jordan Peterson is it explaining anything that I have not already thought about. But at the same time I don't have a degree so I don't know all the terminology involved in psychology but what I'm saying here is all the stuff I don't know about psychology are things you don't need to now cause what people don't realize are the details don't matter when you ask questions the question already should tell you the answer. Just found out im in the 4% of the worlds pop that has this ability
seek help soon
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After watching this video yesterday, I asked my Intro to Psychology Course Professor why weren't we seeing Jung, and why is he forbidden from university content. He answered: well he's Freud's disciple, so it's more of the same, there's no point in seeing him. Peterson is, as usual, right.
Zyanya O'Neill sounds like you have a shit professor. :p It's okay most people aren't any good at their jobs no matter how long they have been doing them. That's why it is up to a person to expand their own horizons and study and seek out mentors worthy of their time and efforts.
@Michael Hayes Jung is relevant and it is extremely important to read and understand him. Unless you're a person of color, then it doesnt matter.
@Michael Hayes Wow, I wonder how you don´t have a couple million followers yourself, whith your insightfull comments and substantive opinions...
@Michael Hayes Oh, so you´re too much of a perfect human being to expose yourself...and I am the moron?...
6:05 Jung's father was a priest and young Carl had a religious education. So that might explain the vividness of his imagination and the ability to think in images. Because religious stories are stories to say the least and in order to understand them you need to picture yourself in the position of their heroes or to imagine yourself being under their context. So it's quite an exercise
1:40 imagine meeting him at someone’s party at uni and getting into a convo about what he’s researching
haahahhaa
I'm s straight male but I'd throw it in him.
@@gideon_vr I've got news for you...you're gay.
@@stevesheldon8616
Not necessarily ...
Kinsey, backed by Masters and Johnson, that few people cluster as being absolutely straight, or absolutely gay, but, rather like any distribution curve, cluster closer to the middle ...
That is somewhat disputed, given the arguments over research methods, but I based on everything I have so far read, my hypothesis is that women would cluster more towards bring bisexual, thus form more of a single curve, whilst men cluster towards mostly straight, but can be attracted to specific men, whilst gay men cluster towards being attracted to other men, but can also be attracted to specific women, with far fewer men being bisexual, thus forming a double curve ...
But that is just pure conjecture; I need to spend at least two years, doing meta-analysis of all the current available data and studies, before producing a more concrete conclusion ...
TL;DR: just because a man can be attracted to a very specific man, doesn't automatically mean he is completely gay ... for all you know, he may be bisexual, or is just attracted to very specific men ...
Sex and Gender may both be a binary, but human sexuality, and attraction, isn't necessarily one, either ...
@@nigelft You might be gay, too.
Yes the pattern seen, was the diabolical insane criminality of those who claim authority. True compassion does not need to claim any authority for it is simply the truth. Our true creator has never claimed authority over the flesh of man so you would know the evil who does claim authority upon this earth.
Lol God doesn't have authority? He's the ultimate authority moron
brilliant!!!
@@dsharkyo he does have, but he doesnt claim authority over the flesh of man
Kyerus Antonio or does he? Dun dun dunnnnn!
@@joshclyde9347 He does but God only does it for the betterment of his Followers and besides what would he benefit if he were to help Non Believers?
"He who playeth skyrim, loseth valuable timeth of real lifeth" - Corintians in a japanese video-game addiction rehab center.
Whether or not time is well spent entirely depends on your goals. If your goal it to enjoy yourself and playing games does, then playing (in this case)Skyrim is a good use of your time.
Well we've got plenty of time right now to catch up on video games.
Guys, I'm on your side. I have a few friends and acquaintances who play video games. They all have one a few things in common: 1. They lack social skills, because they don't wanna learn them, for which the only way is interaction,whether pleasant or unpleasant. Actually, that's not entirely true, cause you can learn a lot about people from psychology books...whoch they don't read, cause they're too busy playing the fuckin games. 2 They are all very modestly informed and educated...again, because a day only lasts so long ans if you have 500 hrs of dark souls on your...psp account, of course you didn't have time to learn other shit. 3. They all lack qualifications for a decent job...and those that do, they actually spend their working hours at their computers, whoch just makes their lifestyle sedentary af.
Ok, I'm not sayong don't play any of those...but do you have...idk, a time limit? Ypu know, like an alarm or smth? I have my osw perspectove snd you hsve yours. Plesse tell me more about your reasoning when you decide to devote such a large portion or this limited and precious time on earth to vieo games. How the hell is it worth it,? Is it escapism? Would you rather do somethong else, but can't for whateber reason? I would like to know as much as you'd like to share about your view of video games, so that I can habe a more informed opinion. Thank you to anybody who will read this comment and soend the energy to reply. Peace
Sry for the typos.
@@dejanmarkovic3040 🌷thanks brother
Peterson keeps my attention like no one else. I could listen to him all day.
8:20 - “don’t keep try fighting dragons if they aren’t in your way.” - JP. What a sage. What a genius.
I waste SO much time & emotional energy, fighting dragons that, when I really think about it, aren’t really in my way, or are not at all relevant to me.....
This man is a genius. His vocabulary and the manner in which he formulates sentences is off the charts impressive.
A slaughterhouse is an absolutely horrific place, especially for someone raised in the modern world. It's not just the sights, but the sounds, and smells. Also, the uncaring, industrialized nature of it all- even in a relatively primitive setting, like with the Amish- is soul-wrenching. You realize several things going through such a place: first, is that this is all a product of the world; that the world is cruel and savage, and rewards such behavior. Thus, for you to eat meat, this must happen. Then, there is the reality that the animals being processed are not necessarily stupid. The pigs, especially, are very aware of what's going on, and the noise they make is horrific. Yet, much like us, pigs delight in flesh and can ignore, or maybe even revel in, the suffering of the being they're consuming. But when it is their time, oh how they complain. Much like us.
St. Paul was right when he said that the devil was the god of this world. Even the trees and flowers draw their nutrients from the decaying remains of those killed by this place.
It is horrific to you maybe. People lave been slaughtering animals for hundreds of thousands of years, pigs, sheep, horses, cows etc. It is how world works. It is how we got enough nutrition for our brains to develop. I grew up in the countryside, I grew up next to animals, I fed them, cleaned them, medicated them, buried them when they suddenly died and when my family needed it, slaughtered them. It is primal, yes, but it has always been that way. To think of something as natural as that to be "horrific" is honestly arrogant.
Don't forget that men killed other men for 100k years, with those same smells, screams, sights... We should be overjoyed we only do that to animals now.
i dont think in words or images ..... i think in concepts, i allways have problem in properly communicare what iam thinking
Yooo same. How do you learn how to think in words? Cause I want to have that power. Nothing is more frustrating than the inability to articulate a complex thought.
Concepts are mere images. Symbols with an abstract and undefined form. That's why you have to translate them. You define in words what the concept (symbol/image) means. I think in words and concepts when I'm alone but with people I think mostly in concepts. So can translate thoughts more clearly when alone but around people not so much because of the extra elements of immediacy and anxiety.
that was my thought too - translating my thoughts into either words or images is still not the original thought. It's more like that impulse on the cusp of movement - if you try to identify the impulse that leads to movement, you can sit there telling a limb to move without it moving, but the moment you stop trying to identify it, movement can happen. Same with all thoughts - the words or the image is a movement, but not the impulse.
@@thisistoday9560 i disagree with "concepts are mere images" because i have the experience of using them separately for the same objective, and i find both to be different to thinking in words. Let's say for example that I'm talking to someone about going either to a concert or to a movie, for the most part of the dialogue I'm thinking in words. However, if I'm asked about my preference at that time (like if I'm asked: what do you feel like doing today?), i enter the conceptual way of thinking for a few seconds and empatize with one option more than another.
But then there is my experience of designing complex mechanical systems, and i don't think in words at all then. I can clearly visualize each component both statically and moving, or the whole system in those states, or part of it also in both states. This is done purely in images, yet, when i think not how it moves but to which purpose the system serves and which part is for what, i think purely conceptually. For example, I'm in the middle of designing and i have most of the central mechanism already figured out, now i see that some part of it creates a problem or two. My brain goes "well, i need something that takes care of that", so i know the purpose of the part even if i haven't imagined one possible way to design it, it's a mere descriptive abstraction (or abstract description) until i start designing. I might even happen that the conceptual description of the part not only includes the purpose but the lack of possibility, which happens when my brain goes "well, i need something that takes care of that, even though i don't have any space left". When i think that i don't really visualize the lack of space, I've already conceptualized it beforehand in some previous moment so it's something that i already know.
I also notice that when I'm talking or thinking about more abstract things like law or philosophy i don't engage visually at all, but i do enter that meditative way of thinking which is clearly different from word thought.
For me the conceptual and visual ways of thinking are very different from one another. The three of them feel very different when you are immersed fully into one. Cheers!
Thinking in words imo is a bad habit. It limits and slows the way you think, because it puts your mind into a framework. There are things words can't describe fully. They're like pointing fingers, which point to something. You should focus on the "something" instead of the fingers. Better learn how to properly formulate your wordless concepts and thoughts whenever needed, by broadening your vocabulary and knowledge. Instead of trying to instantly formulate the flow of wordless concepts and ideas, you let the flow do its thing, and then try to formulate it once its finished. More efficient, quicker and let's you explore areas you wouldn't be able to with words.
I actually trained myself to not think with words (unlearned the bad habit), I feel like my mind has become clearer, I have more spare attention to focus on "the now" or wander in memories, future speculations. Also let's me to grasp or notice things I wouldn't be able to otherwise.
I reject the notion that we think in either words or images. We think in thoughts. Sometimes I think in sound. Thoughts are something deeper than just shadows of words and sensory data.
I hope you're fully recovered now Mr Peterson. The world needs your calm intellect, now more than ever.
Jordann Peterson is so inspiring that sometimes after listening am loss of words
I am literally playing Skyrim right now
👀
And then there’s intuitive thinking…
Explain? .. I haven’t studied much Jung
I was studying Jung at the same time I was taking a LIt course on mythology which was a wonderful,thought provoking combination...I had taken a Comparative Religions course the semester before, learning universal stories of the flood, creation etc etc across many cultures....so all,those together , taught me there is a deep great undercurrent in human minds shared across cultures. which you are noted for joining together in your lectures, and rightly so. I so enjoy your, lectures and am very glad they have been "discovered"by a general viewing public..loved this Jordan...life seen through a glass darkly . Mostly,I am a behaviorist and was a cognitive behavioral clinical therapist as well,as a psych prof.but there is deeper meaning inside us for certain. I am very thankful for my double major as an undergrad...psych and English Lit.THANKS for feeding my mind! Much appreciated. Sybil Francis PhD
I had the same reaction when reading Jung. Sobering anxiety when confronted with the vastness of the concious mystery through his mind. Jung is quite an intense read.
The thing about Jordan, thats maybe why he is so attractive when you hear him, is that he talks like a preacher.. it feels like he is selling u something.
Exactly. And he is selling something. He is selling recipes of how to live. He acts like a coach, not as a pscyhologist or psychoanalyst like Jung (ironically), Freud and others. A true psychologist or a true psychoanalyst doesn't do that. A psychologist or psychoanalyst knows people are different, feel different, think different, have different tastes, different weakenesses and different capabilities in different times of their lives. Thus, he/she will not tell his/her own idea of what it is and how to reach a meaningful and good life. Instead, he/she will help one to find one's own truth by oneself.
In a time when people are completely lost, living in the short term reality of the financial world, where every transcendental, lasting and not metrifiable cultural and collective value that guided humanity for millennia was reduced to or substituted by materialistic, financial and metrifiable value, theses gurus attract lots and lots of people anguished by existencial emptiness, doubt and fear.
He's selling you on the idea the what he's saying is more profound than it really is. He's a salesman selling his product, and people who normally don't listen to psychiatrists pay attention because he railed against modern feminism and identity politics. Look at the top comments, it's people who think "you shouldn't be fighting dragon's that aren't in your way" is profound life advice. That's just another way to say "choose your battles wisely," which has been a popular axiom for a very long time. He spices it up with language that makes it seem fresh and original, and the people who can't be bothered to sift through the word salad just accept it as some profound insight.
Good comment. However, we all know everything and have known it forever. Life is about having some thoughts on top of the stack of things we focus on. Peterson puts thinks in focus, on top of the pile.
@@justsomeguy8385 incorrect, battles happen all the time and can be big or small, scary or not scary, a battle could be making sure you don’t miss cleaning your face even though you’re tired, the conceptualization of the dragon puts the emphasize on overwhelming size and fear, to me the dragon represents a massive road block, a massive challenge, a massive deep insecurity that gets to your core. It’s conquering your fears, it’s conquering demons, there is a specific grandiosity that slaying Dragons conceptualizes that is not conceptualized by blanket battles, and when you slay the dragon, you are rewarded with treasure, this is another point that is entirely missed with “pick your battles”.
Your attempt to shit on Peterson just shows your own shitty ego and lack of intelligence, Peterson is very good at speaking his thoughts in a way that leaves an impact on people, that isn’t something to mock, that’s a skill, and it’s a deadly skill in combination with intelligence, many intelligent people can’t speak well and they’re lesser for it.
@@cryptocaesar8972 You're trying way too hard to sound smart there.
JP didn't say anything profound. That's a fact. And he just reworded an old axiom so people think it's original.
Jung also studied Astrology, actually he used to analize his clients birth chart to understand them better. He was so ahead of his (and our) time realizing that these kind of ancient knowledge, like alchemy or astrology, is not "obsolete" or absurd, but quite the opposite: it's an important source of knowledge of the human psyche and of the archetypes. A genius!
I'm like most of us that have gleaned knowledge of Jung through Dr.Peterson, and it's been a little over a year since I discovered his lectures. Might be time to cut out the middle man and go straight to the source 🤔
Dr Peterson- Thank you for your heartfelt work. It’s very refreshing to hear someone insist that people take some responsibility for the OTHER people in their lives.
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There is a 3rd category of thinking: The closest way I can describe it is "relational" or "intention-based." This doesn't use words or pictures, but when the Holy Ghost is activated, words and pictures are merely a sidebar, imposed by the ego (the opposite of the true spiritual self).
After the completion of one very potent set of self-counseling ("meditation"), I found myself, for an entire week, with complete mental silence; no noisy background chatter. Only an occasional, intentioned mental verbalization into the midst of that silence. It was quite wonderful to experience.
A couple of decades later, a Tibetan Buddhist monk revealed to his audience, of which I was a member, that he had only achieved 2 contiguous seconds of mental silence, in all his years of meditation. Fascinating stuff...
Thinking about how you think is a strange endeavor. It's akin to trying to think of how you dream. Even if you think you know the answer, you could quite possibly be wrong.
For me, it seems like a conversation with myself.
You just thought about thinking and i dont think it was strange. And Yes, you can be skeptical about everything, including the idea that maybe you wrote this comment to yourself from my account without you remembering. But what’s the point in that?
The medium is the message
"Do you think in words or in pictures?"
Neither, I think in numbers...
@daniel yehoshua I have High Functioning Autism and I'm INTJ. When I think of something, I imagine a blank, undefined mathematical value that has no image and no words. I can't usually know what its exact value is, but I can compare it to other values to see whether it is equal, more, or less valuable.
@@jacobwiren8142 This is mad, I never heard of that before. As an engineer myself I think in words and pictures but in numbers, this is a whole new thing
Jacob Wiren - I think in flow, movement, predictions, probabilities, preferences, consequences...
george bernard shaw - " 2% of people think. 3% of people think they think. 95 % of people would rather die than think. i've built an international reputation thinking 2 or 3 times a year"
@@jacobwiren8142 when an autistic person feels disturbed by circumstances that break their routine, is it a reaction to the circumstances not being 'equal' to the expected pattern?
When I visited the psych ward I mentioned Jung. They suggested it was probably one of the reasons I was there and to stay clear. When your lost and it’s the only thing that makes sense/ gives you hope, well you go down 🕳🐇 .
Jung's writings have been of enormous comfort to me.
I thought "JUNG" was normal and everybody else was fucked up!!!
Infj - can think in feelings-- can listen to subconscious, plus think in images and words.
literally! thinking in words is much slower than just going with that sense and that sense might be wrong but it never gets me hurt, worst is I miss out. Pictures are a blur but when pictures show it's like a simple graph, diagram of shorts showing how an idea is in relation to another. I can't believe my whole fucking environment was trying to rip that away from me. It's been a strange stroke of luck that I reconnected with this part that has been beaten out of me. Fucking thinking ever, was a damn curse.
Some people think in images others in words and some can do both. It’s a bit of a balancing act across different parts of the brain. Personally, I believe Jung had a form of thought-feelings when he was engaging both applicable and abstract ideas. I say that because he was believed to be an INFJ personality and I too am of the same.
The best way to describe it is to image sitting with someone while you listen to their experience. At the same time you are experiencing that situation in your minds eye AND in your emotional center. You feel what they feel and think, and though there are gaps because you can only know what they have said (and how they say it) combined with the extrapolation of the whole that you’ve discussed, it creates this anticipation of what they will say they thought, felt and did next.
All the while there is the analytical side processing what might be going on inside them both subconsciously or unconsciously.
The same can be said when he is reading a book about someone or a complex system. All of the piece are constantly piecing together and when he’s done it’s as if he has read two books - one that he has read and another that he has combined with the lump of his knowledge base, experience, and how he felt what the author was think-feeling as it was being written. Sadly, when he’s done, he will likely reject a portion of those concepts immediately because he will know that it does not connect with how the psyche and soul adhere to the body and mind.
The biggest downside to this is that it’s difficult to communicate thoughts back without constant pauses in communications. It can be terribly frustrating because the mind is thinking three steps ahead so he has to have this constant internal dialogue that’s reminding him to come back so that the person he’s communicating with can understand.
"Here's one of the things that Jung said and i really like it"
Jung was an INFJ personality type. Jordan was asking about thinking in words, pictures, or both; however, there is a more complex component that he did not consider and that is the thought-feeling. I say this because I too am an INFJ and after a good deal of self assessment and study have found that all of these items give insight and understanding. Personally, I think in words and pictures (like Peterson suggested) but also have a thought-feeling component. A thought-feeling is where you are bringing together large and small scale social dynamics and can understand them based on the feelings you get by that observation. The INFJ type has this natural ability to be able to connect these thought-feelings together quickly rather than trying to abstractly combine them through logic. To do this it requires a level of developed intelligence, intuition, and connected to human emotion. INFJ personality types are known for being able to have these thought-feelings but I've never actually seen them described in an academic journal or text.
Jacob C - It is when you can put many of them together and think in a fluid way. At that point it is very much like thinking in statements and sentences and no different than words or pictures. It may seem like a sixth sense and because it generally requires a level of intuition I can see why someone would think that.
I too am an INFJ and the emotion thinking thing you were describing is 100% accurate. I base most my decisions off this when it comes to interacting with others. Ughhhhh I just want to explore my mind more and figure out wtf is going on.
Thanks for saving me 10 years! I couldn't of said it better myself :P but seriously this brought me to tears as Jordan has a tendency to touch you straight in the heart and get you all choked up. To what levels would be the challenging question but I will let my previous words and actions speak for themselves.
I use to see things in my mind that i can't really speak about but they always seems to explain things to me in a much deeper level than any sentence i could thing of.
"Mans's task is...to become conscious of the contents that press upward from the unconscious. Neither should he persist in his unconsciousness nor remain identical with the unconscious elements of his being,thus evading his destiny, which is to create more and more consciosness. As far as we can discern, the sole purpose of human existence is to kindle a light in the darkness of mere being."(Carl Jung)
That we went from someone like Jung to someone like Peterson says enough about the poverty of our age.
Glad I scrolled down this far, thanks.
indeed, this isn't a kind age for magic
I followed everything Peterson was depicting until “... and I went out partying three times a week in grad school”
Sometimes I don’t even watch he’s lectures for what he’s saying but I just enjoy watching how dr. Peterson’s says it
Incredibly informative video. I am going to investigate Carl Jung further now. The part that particularly resonated with me is how you spoke of Car as being high in openness and able to think in words and images extremely well, and how rare that is.
you should listen to seven sermons of the dead on youtube. Jung knew what was up!
GLEVUM REX isn't that the one spirits dictated to him? It's in the intro to the red book. Strange phenomena kept happening in his house and scaring his family until he sat down to write it.
seven is sixteen is four and four is two power four .... #abdhp #alchi
Milahu...
7=16=4
4x4=16
But what are you saying?
@@lillysnet9345 let me know what he says
"Listen to Seven Sermons" on TH-cam. If you start Jung at Seven Sermons, you wouldnt understand a word of it. I highly doubt you understood one sentence of it, seeing as it's literally the last work of Jung that would make sense to someone who hasnt read the entire Red Book, which requires ALL of Jungs Collective Works to understand, and the single worst to recommend
I've come to believe dreams are not a single phenomenon. There are true visions, gifts that are donated beyond any natural capacity or expectation of the individual. This is associated with genius. There are also spiritual interventions, warnings or advice from spiritual beings or possibly the deceased. Some good, others not so.
However the majority of dreams are our consciousness negotiating itself, played out through disparate characters. I came to this realisation when confronting belligerent personalities in lucid dreams. They knew my own worst doubts and fears, and most were recognisable people, but when confronted their statements were not fully intelligible. Pursuing them for their exact meaning resulted in them mouthing fractured nonsense, at which point the personality itself fell to pieces. I was forced to conclude they were all "me".
"You're not supposed to be fighting dragons that aren't in your way" -- it's like a video game! aha...
Resource management 101
needa dragon forge my shit tho, gotta farm em drakes
Cool video. It is very interesting to see his perspective and experiences with the matters he learned from his teachings. A really interesting thinker and academic