How Dune Fans "Recommend" the Books
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- Considering that that one Wheel of Time video, with a similar premise, is one is one of my most successful videos, it's a wonder I haven't made it into a series by now. Is that what this is? Maybe. I don't know.
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The craziest part is how this video didn't once mention the main character Duncan Idaho.
Youre just jealous that my Duncan Idaho OC would beat your Duncan Idaho OC.
Pretty sure he says Duncan’s name in the bleeped section lol
true. I personally loved the final book. All these books about messiahs and chosen leaders and stuff, and then it finishes with just some dude (not really) flying into the fever dream of Tom Bombadil
you mean Duncans Idahos
My favorite Duncan is Duncan Idahomophobic
As a dune fan I was literally answering his questions in the same way during the video
dude same lmao
Not figuratively?
I was doing the same, but telepathically instead of literally. I didn't write my answers down at all, and rather I projected The Voice without speaking. Damn, this Melange is good shi-
I didn't even read all of the things yet but I felt my sanity slipping away when I laughed in perfect sync at the end with the 2 nerds.
Thanks for typing this for me. Good looking out, brother.
I’d be like “book 1 is a classic that everyone should read, book 2 is basically just an extended epilogue, after that be prepared for shit to start getting WEIRD”
I’d even say 3 is an extended extended epilogue… but after THAT… dune’s a good trilogy imo lol.
I thought Dune was like Martian but fantasy? But after watching the video and some of the comments I'm only getting progressively confused 😅 is it a good series then?
@@MotorcycleWrites Good hexalogy as well.
@@inourtime23The Best.
@@jakubolszewski8284 ok now i'm even more lost 💀
As goofy as these "extreme book nerd" characters can be, I almost feel like I can understand these 2 guys on a spiritual level - and I've never read Dune.
Because it's probably how you and your buddy recommended a series to someone else.
@@klulu-kun Absolutely (though I don't have a buddy like that...)
As someone who knows Star Wars and Doctor Who Expanded Universe.....yeah
@@BazukinBelyugovich you'll find one :)
@@BazukinBelyugovichYou be your own buddy first!
The reason why everyone interprets the first book the way they do is because they ARE NOT wrong: he purposefully wanted you to fall in love with a charismatic leader for sure, that he would then show how he falls.
I mean, of course it would go wrong. He's an autocrat, whether or not he likes it.
It's not like there aren't any foreshadowing of what's gonna happen, if Paul goes down that road. It's understandable why people miss some of it, but it's not that unexpected, if you pay attention to the book.
@@pannapalanki8041 Yea, I feel like it is super obvious. The foreshadowing in the first book is not subtle at all. Sure, I fell in love with Paul's character, and it was really hard to accept what was inevitably going to happen, but it certainly wasn't a surprise. That being said, I still didn't like most of the 2nd book because I found the new characters boring.
I would dispute that. The tone of the last quarter of the first book is dark and non-heroic. It is presented as an ambiguous and uncomfortable transition of power, rather than the virtuous victory of heroes.
granted its probably been over 15 years since I read the books, but one of the things that stuck out for me is that yeah you have these empires feuding with each other and you have nobles scheming and vying for power blah blah blah, but every once in a while there was scene involving the regular citizenry and they're just....living and they don't seem to care which empire they're ruled by. Now sure, the Harkonnen were apparently the exception where they actively oppressed the citizens, but by and large, even under the tyrant god emperor rule average everyday life for a regular citizen was seemingly....okay and it was just the powerful that hated the God Emperor's rule I dunno if that was just Herbert being dumb and/or out of touch. but I thought maybe it was a message that yeah you can have your interstellar wars and politics and machinations....but don't fuck with the people and just leave them alone to do their thing.
if you wanna know what your getting yourself into after Dune Messiah, ill just name 4 things: Army of sex nuns, half worm/half man god, cat people or whatever they are, and alot of Duncan Idahos
BRING ME MORE DUCANS 🪱
DAMN THE ROMANS
So many Idahos... Its like being at a potato market.
Duncan Idahos for days man
Bruh in these books there is a scene where they sexually assault a little BOY just so that he can gain some memories???? And nobody talks about it???
I was once told:
Books 1-2: Politics
Books 3-4: Philosophy
Books 5-6: Horny but in a weird way
Currently halfway through book 6 and I can confirm this is accurate
not to mention too much of Duncan Idaho, i had enough of him by the end of book 3, the fact he's still around by book 6 six is a nightmare.
just let him be already, jesus christ. I know you need to somehow to relate the current events to the first books but god he overstays his welcome by too much.
they really soured me on him.
typical progression of a teenage crisis
He loved his wife, man!! Deeply.... lol.
Aside from a couple, one-off sex scenes I don't recall the last two books being all that horny. I thought they were great. I'm one of those weirdos that enjoyed all of the books by Herbert.
@@tober0432 Same.
I started to listen to the first book in audio format while taking the bus from uni, and people around me probably thought i was in a perpetual state of confusion my whole life. Honestly, it was the weirdest experience i have ever had with a book. I had to look up so many things because i couldn't figure out how stuff looked. English is also not my first language, so it made the whole thing even more surreal 😂
The fourth book gets very weird.
I had a similar experience listening to the audiobook. The print version comes with multiple appendices.
Oh yeah, books with lots of made up vocabulary and weird concepts must be a nightmare for non-native speakers.
Don’t feel bad. English is my first language and I found myself constantly confused, looking things up, and re-reading so many passages. It took me forever to finish Book #1 the first time. Hell, even my second read was going like that (granted it was 10 years later). During the latter I found that having a tablet or e-reader is invaluable. You can select words or phrases for quick definitions and references without leaving the page, as well as flip back and forth between chapters and appendices much easier. I hated reading books on tablet until then, so.. thanks, I guess, Frank Herbert 😂
This is an excellent way to gain greater command of a language, native or no, so great job sticking through it!
Oh, and I also listened to the Reading Dune podcast after every chapter or two on my second read. Hearing outside perspective and analysis really helped me to work through much what I found confusing, as well as to solidify some of the concepts. Also those guys are funny. Highly recommended!
Dune is one of those things where recommending the first book to someone also sometimes functions as a warning not to read the full series, depending on the person you are speaking with.
Just ask them about Paul. Their answer tells you if they should read the second book.
I read Dune for the first time last year. I wish I would have read it when I was younger, because at this point with a lot of fantasy and science-fiction under my belt, it felt derivative. I absolutely know that this is because many other series have been inspired by Dune, but I read those first. I enjoyed Messiah, mostly because I’m anti war/imperialism and it seemed like a more realistic take than what a lot of depictions of emperors are. About 2/3 way through Children right now and I’m enjoying the politics in it and I’m planning to read God Emperor because I like weird stuff then I’m bowing out.
@totesmagotes213 God Emperor is my favorite personally. Gimme that weird shit all day.
@@totesmagotes213 god emperor is a good place to stop, book 5-6 is only good if you really really like the bene gesserit and duncan idaho. Otherwise just bounce.
@@oscarlove4394 I see Miles Teg as the inspiration for Thrawn in Timothy Zahn's Heir To The Empire trilogy.
Dune spoilers:
Part I: "A teenager takes drugs, billions die."
Part II: " Eyes are optional"
Part III: "The golden path leads to many abilities some consider to be unnatural."
Part IV: "Hey kids, do you want to do some eugenics?"
part V: "With strange aeons even death may die"
part VI: "Series not renewed"
This is perfect lol!
You got me with "eyes are optional"
It's been decades since I first read the book, and that description of Chapterhouse still makes me sad.
Haven't read the books yet but I'll save this screenshot now to return later and see how it fits 🤔
LMAO @ IV
I love how every Dune fan can at least agree that we never read the books by Brian.
I picked up the first Butlerian Jihad book out of curiosity. It’s a decision I regret to this day.
Brian’s books sell, so somebody is reading them. Though I’ve never met anybody who claims to.
@@billcook4768Never saw them on the shelf though.
Love how you think you speak for everyone. Look at the balls on you😂
Mmmmm
I tell people to either read 1 and 2, go up to 4, or read all 6. Three perfect stopping points.
If you don't read 3, you miss out on the immensely satisfying end to Paul's personal arc, though, which is a big loss.
eh. I prefer the ending to pauls story in 2.@@thescottishaccent
If you get past 4, it never ends
We don't talk about those books...@@coolgate7794
I agree that Messiah and God Emperor are perfect stopping points, but, alas, Frank's death has prevented there being a third (at least unless and until someone ever releases an unfiltered copy of his notes and outline for the last book).
This is exactly true. I recommend these books in exactly this way (except I generally don't say the beefswelling part out loud). The ludicrousness of the idea of reading any of the ones by Brian is so on point.
What do you think it must feel like to be Brian Herbert?
Rich@@GoneZombie
I honestly did not remember that graphic description from my reading long ago. Pretty sure teenage me thought it was really corny and not worth remembering.
As someone who has only read the first book and half of the second before falling off…I have no idea if this is parody or not but I enjoyed it immensely.
It's barely a parody.
he more or less explained things honestly and accurately
the fourth book is genuinely the best of the series; don't @ me i am not taking questions if you disagree you're wrong
@@ktkatte6791 God Emperor of Dune was a breath of fresh air to me after how busy Children of Dune felt. It tops the series for me too.
pretty much accurate
It's not a parody at all this is 100% real
The answer is you should read 1-4.
5 & 6 feel more like spin-offs than sequels, but you can read them if you're desperate for more. There is some good stuff in there. But 1-4 is essential and 4 is a perfect ending.
I got a box set with the first set of Dune books (Dune, Dune Messiah, and Children of Dune) and I was thoroughly content to stop there, especially when I found out that God Emperor of Dune takes place thousands of years later.
Also no token Tolkien fan going "Well, Tolkien hated Dune. Go read Lord of the Rings instead"
just wait thousands of years and read the sequel for full immersion
For my money 'Children' and 'God Emperor' are the best two. I believe you did yourself a disservice.
gonna go in a completely different direction and say the first four books are actually a trilogy-the second and third books, being shorter than, and more reliant on the events of, the first book, are only one book really, serving as a transition between the first and third epics.
There's plenty of time to read Tolkien and Herbert and Verne and even Burroughs if you're feeling spicy.
My dad always just talks about the first three books. Seems like a well-rounded trilogy.
I've just started _God Emperor of Dune_ and can't wait to see how amazingly batshit it gets. Arrrakis is now kind of more of a temperate world than a desert one. The worms are dead, reducing half the galaxy to spice-hobos who will do anything for a whiff of cinnamon. The Emperor lives in a cartoon doom fortess in the middle of said desert guarded by genetically engineered direwolves. And Duncan has been brought back to life by the -Drukhari- Tleilaxu and killed over and over by the wrinkly worm god king possessed by an African despot from ancient Earth for shits and giggles -- but it's so totally all part of Leto's plan for humanity, you guys!
Can you imagine how batshit and terrible everything would be if this guy _hadn't_ seized the tiller of the universe!?
don't remember the African despite, who, some pharaoh?
It's been a minutes but I'm pretty sure Leto II wasn't possessed? He's a tyrant but I'm pretty sure he's just also Leto II haha
Beware thee, all squirrels who enter here.
He kinda explained it at the end of Children. Leto II accepts the genetic memories and becomes and amalgamation of his ancestors. They each have influence and may make an outward appearance, but he is still in charge.@@flatmars7072
@@flatmars7072Harum. At the end of Children of Dune Leto all but admits he succumbed to some form of abomination
This has to be the most accurate summary of a topic I’ve ever seen on TH-cam
As someone who has read all 6 main books, this is 100% accurate.
Not entirely, The Beefswelling scene was in book 3 not book 5
He probably meant the chain of sausages scene on Heretics.
@@sernoddicusthegallant6986 which makes it worse cuz Leto was 9… but it was still pretty bad because the Duncan in the scene he’s referring to is only like 14 or 15 right?
There is also a scene in either the 5th or 6th book (probably the 6th iirc) in which the Bene Gesserit literally sexually assaults a little boy and nobody talks about it? Like, was I the only one who was weirded out by that?
@@roge2342 yep! It’s *probably* a hint from Frank saying “hey, this is a pretty explicit reason for you to remember: despite these being the main characters you’re not supposed to root for them.”
Like, the action is a very horrific extreme of “the ends justifying the means” that’s 100% all throughout the series… but there are also still other examples that make you 🤨 so who knows
Edit: and then his son and the other author come in and literally justify the means by the ending with a paper thin “we have Frank’s outline, we promise we know what’s up guys” despite very obviously changing the intended trajectory.
Here's my DUNE story:
I tried reading it many years ago. I didn't get far. I couldn't follow what was going on. All I remember was something about giant worms. And sand. So. Much. Sand.
I tried it again this past year and, for whatever reason, it clicked for me. I loved it! When I got to the end, I wanted to read a bit of the first chapter again, now that I had more understanding of it all. Before I knew it, I had come to the end again. I'm a huge re-reader. But not right after I've finished a book the first time!
Then I read DUNE MESSIAH.
If it hadn't been a library book, I would have thrown it across the room in frustration.
And if that's correct about the 5th book, then I guess Book 1 is as far as I need to go. Eeeeew!
As a former Muslim, the first book resonated a lot with me due to the religious nature of the Fremen and the obvious source of inspiration for that. The second book slightly felt like fan fiction but with good moments. I haven't read the other books yet.
Man, I loved the first three books. Why does Messiah get so much dislike?
I don't like sand, it's coarse, rough, irritating and it gets everywhere
Funny. I found Dune Messiah much cooler than the first one. But I'd also stop after that, it's a solid duology. I agree though that it kinda feels like fanfiction in some strange way.
@@titan4257 I agree. I thought Dune Messiah, while it didn't have as much action and interesting story beats as the original, it was still a pretty enjoyable read. My guess is that people don't like it because the first book build up Paul as an epic hero of prophecy fighting to free a whole planet, but the second examines the flaws with the first interpretation that people thought
I actually really liked Children of Dune. Its probably my favorite.
I agree with you this is my list best to worst.
1. Children of dune
2. Dune
3. Heretics of dune
4. Dune messiah
5. God emperor of dune
@@OllieD-gf4fz haha that's exactly how I'd put my list. Still need to read chapterhouse
@m35926 Did you know Frank Herbert left notes behind for his seventh book, and Brian Herbert and Kevin J. Anderson used those notes to finish Frank Herbert's story?
They're called Hunters of Dune and Sandworms of Dune. I just got them yesterday.
I'm going to finish Chapterhouse so I can get on with the last two.
My colleague read the first one and asked me about the sequels, inquiring "is it always the same characters? Or does it move forward in time a bit?"
I had no idea how to answer without spoiling (and sounding insane).
"Well actually, none of the characters come back for all the sequels, except of course for the zombie-clone of that one character who died in the first one. And it moves 10 years then 10 years then 3500 years then 1500 years forward. Oh plus a few flash forward to 10000 years after the first one (5000 years after the son of Paul became an almost immortal worm hybrid and then died))"
I actually really liked the 3rd book, albeit I already knew about some elements like the Golden Path from external sources, so i had a better idea of what i was reading than others.
Agreed. The best one in my opinion.
Yes it's my favorite in the series! Four was cool too, but I didn't really like any of the characters beyond Leto II.
I found the middle half of it to be incredibly page-turning! But it kinda lost steam as it wrapped up in the final act. I also absolutely adore the second book and it boggles my mind to see how so many people hate it to this day.
@pizza7495 yeah you mainly read book 4 for Leto II philosophy and convos.
@@Rauruatreides yeah those were by far the best part of the book
The beefswelling bit is in Children of Dune (book 3)
Leto II has a naughty vision of Sabina
Just read the ones written by Frank Herbert
If you dont want to read that many books.. read the first one, but understand its not the origin story of a hero, its a warning about the danger of charismatic leaders - the other books provide this understanding.
Dune itself provides that understanding, honestly if someone fails to read that in dune I don't think any of the other books will help. The issue isn't a lack of clarity, it's a lack of thought on the readers part, they read for entertainment and don't consider books as imparting ideas. Or as sad as it is to admit, they are partial to dictators and so aren't prompted to think by reactions of disgust at evolution of the fremen.
@@TheInfectous idk if you missed the message in the first book sure you weren't paying enough attention, but if you don't get the message by the end of messiah you're REALLY DUMB
@@TheInfectous For some who don't get it Dune Messiah will either open their eyes or make them hat Messiah.
I read them when I was a teen and the Lynch movie came out and enjoyed them but didn't fully understand them. Read the first 2 (and 3/4 of the 3rd) when the Villeneuve movie came out to sort of brush up and I came to the conclusion that I actually like the synopsis of the books that you can find online better than I like the books themselves.
pretty accurate. I actually quite liked books 5 and 6, Miles Teg was a cool character.
5 and 6 are getting too much hate in these comments, they’re awesome. Miles is a good character and it’s super interesting to learn about the internal dynamics and thought processes of the bene gesserit
It's funny seeing all of the people praising book 4 but hating book 5 and 6. The decisions that the god emperor makes only make sense in retrospect, once you know what was the big threat that he foresaw.
Yes but did they have to molest him
Miles Teg is awesome. Duke Leto on steroids.
Beefswelling is in Children of Dune.
I think in therms of main series it is either:
-Read just book 1.
-Read books 1-4.
-Read books 1-6 if you can handle a cliffhanger non-ending.
-Read books 1-6+sequels(7,8) if you hate cliffhangers and think that any ending is better than a non-ending.
Isn't the beefswelling in the third book? Also what's worse, adult beefswelling or fat pink mast?
Yes, beefswelling was on the ?sex? ?vision? of Leto and Sabine (Sahine? Saline? Satine?)
When I read the first book, it felt like I was reading Shakespeare. Not that it was hard to understand (Honestly easier than Shakespeare) just that it had that style
Honestly the themes of the first book are pretty overt. I understand that most people don't think at all when consuming media (and given how common the sentiment of "X is great but the newer stuff got political" despite talking about something that was openly and heavily political in the first place,) I'm not surprised to hear people didn't get the first book but like... god damn it's a fucking book; paul speaks in pretty much literal terms about the themes.
Jason Manoa is probably going to be 80 when they still keep making the movies and need him to keep coming back
God Emperor of Dune is probably my favorite one of the series and one of my favorite books ever. Don't remember a thing of the fifth one, it's there on my library, I must have read it cause I remember trying the sixth one twice, not getting hooked for the life of me, wondering if there was a point on keeping on with the series knowin his son continued it but doubting they would be as good, I then read "The Winds of Dune" to check out he's son's writing, and decided there was no point for me to continue with the series.
I want more about why the Brian books aren't worth reading. It's too easy/convenient to say "author changed; books bad" and I crave a more complex story, or at least some more details
There's not really much to say other than that Brian just is not a good writer. It's not about the author being different; it's about a significantly less talented author gaining control over a series he seems intent on milking till it's drier than Arrakis itself.
what the first guy said plus i think brians analysis of his father's own series is just plain wrong, he doesn't seem to actually understand what dune was about, because he leans so hard into the threat of robots, when 99% of dune is about human development, the dangers of believing in a messiah, and the dangers of technology when put in the wrong hands, not just robots bad.
I started with house atreides as a teenager after having just read a bunch of Isaac Asimov and LOTR and enjoyed it just fine. then I jumped to Dune and thoroughly enjoyed all 6 to varying degrees. The writing is different, but still entertaining and interesting if your standards aren't overly high. It's just Sci Fi.
@@ethanaskey7285I read a Bit of a summary because I was considering getting into them, and when I saw that Duncan‘s Vision from 5/6 just got retconned to be about machines I knew it wasn‘t for me.
Can‘t speak about the quality of the writing, but that was such a massive Shift in direction for no reason.
I've only read some summaries of the material, so I cannot speak to the quality of the writing (though I hear it's not great)... but as a couple of others have already said, it just seems like he has some fundamental misunderstandings about what his father wanted to convey with his novels.
Brian's ideas for many concepts in the lore seem to be VERY different from those in the original six novels, usually in a way which removes most of the depth and nuance, reducing the complexity of the narrative to become a far more simple good-vs-evil type story. It essentially takes a story where one of the main themes is that you shouldn't rely on heroes, and turns it into a superhero story.
Plus, they apparently introduce a bunch of shit which just sound like some ridiculous satire or fanfiction;
***Massive SPOILERS for the Brian Dune novels below***
***SPOILERS***
- "Ultraspice", which comes from genetically altered sandworms which now live in the ocean instead (displacing the half-fish-half-man creatures living there).
- Some sort of warp drives so foldspace isn't needed anymore.
- Alternate universes
- Daniel and Marty, shown at the end of Chapterhouse and foreshadowed to be some sort of advanced Face Dancers, are instead revealed to be intelligent robots which survived from the Butlerian Jihad, and they launch thousands of von Neumann probes to re-create the "Synchronized Empire" and restore the robot leader Evermind.
- The inventor of foldspace tech is revealed to still be alive, now tens of thousands of years old and evolved into a godlike entity who saves the day and stops the evil robots by taking away their leader.
- The latest version of Duncan merges with the leader of the remaining machines, becoming half-human-half-robot.
- Gholas are made of Leto, Leto II, Chani, Jessica, Yueh, the Baron, the leader of the Butlerian Jihad, Hawat, Alia, multiple Paul clones (two of which are forced to battle to show which is better), etc.
- The Leto II ghola regains his memories and merge seven worms together into a giant superworm.
- Arrakis is revealed to NOT have been destroyed, and is recovering instead.
- It ends with Paul/Chani living happily ever after on Arrakis, and Leto/Jessica living happily ever after on Caladan.
This is accurate to my experience. One of these days I'll restart the second book
The virgin Dune fan vs the chad ConSentiency enjoyer
I want whatever Frank was on when he wrote The Dosadi Experiment. Sentient stars, scented alarm clocks, frog people genocide, and maybe the most confusing trial scene of all time.
I think the last two are perhaps the greatest examination of humanity in literature.
As a long time Dune fan, books and the mini series they did b4 the most recent, this hits the spot.
I did read 3-5 of the son's continued series and enjoyed them as books expanding the Dune universe. I'm not sure how egregious his writing has become but they can be enjoyed :)
Brother you need to buy a razor immediately. That neck stuff is crazy 😂
I literally just finished reading heretics of Dune. Nobody warned me about that scene so I had absolutely no idea it was coming. I was listening to the audiobook with earbuds at work. I just had to stop and utterly horrified fast forward in about two minutes. 😳 needless to say I’m a little bit scarred.
Aaarg, I had blessedly forgotten all about the beefswelling.
All six books are definitely worth a read and even a re-read some years later, the first being my favorite.
Beefswelling was not in the fifth book. It was in Children of Dune which is the third.
Thoroughly enjoyed your take on how Dune fans recommend the books! Your insights and humor really make your videos enjoyable to watch. It's interesting to see the passion and dedication of the Dune community. Perhaps turning this into a series would be a great idea given the success of your Wheel of Time video. Looking forward to more content like this!
So after reading each book, consider what is the Golden Path.
Then after the fourth book, read the first three books again and think what happened for the Golden Path.
I read the first one 2 years ago. I just brought the 2nd one from the library because i've heard its a good conclusion to the first one and since I didn't love the first one maybe it will be good. But I dont expect going further than that
My man Griff made the extremely sweet art for these new covers. Stoked to see it in the wild.
1:51 THE HONEST reaction of every Dune fan on Brian Herbert's books.
I don't know if some of the hate towards those books is just blind hate because they weren't written by the original author, but, for me, I actually read the sequel books and they fucking sucked. And I didn't know until after I read them that they were so hated by fans. Never got around to the prequels, though.
Look someone who looks in the mirror and call the image 'everyone'. No need to trying getting in the cool kids 'I HATE BRIAN' club.
It's good to see there are still actual dune fans that don't feel the need to belong to the hate fanclub.@@isaacbruner65
Thanks for the fun vid GE. :)
I think that Frank Herbert's Dune Series really splinters its reader audience across a wide range of perspectives on it.
Many of the readers will consume it once, and then share from among a handful of fairly shared views on it with each other. But the more a reader re-reads and rabbit holes the books, the more their perspective on it can broaden, deepen, fragment, cross reference, reconnect, transform, and dump into (and rescue from) various concept desert islands.
Bro gave 1000 spoilers in 2:35 min
Heretics and Chapterhouse are phenomenal stories!!! Love me some Murbella!
1. Dune
2. God Emp
3. Heretics
4. Children
5. Chapterhouse
6. Messiah (this was my favorite growing up, actually) Messiah/Children should have been combined into one larger novel.
I thoroughly enjoyed this video, especially your unique perspective on how Dune fans recommend the books. It's interesting to see the passion and dedication that the fandom has for these novels. Your comparison to the Wheel of Time video was also insightful. Keep up the great work, and I hope you continue to make this into a series.
I really think Miles Teg and Odrade make 5 and 6 worth reading
if i had friends this would be the convos
If I had a nickel for every time fantasy audiences cheered for a genocidal dictator and an extremist religious cult, I'd have a enough money to afford all of Brandon Sanderson's books.
Commence people getting mad that I called Dune fantasy.
It is fantasy though.
@@RolandIronfist13 (it's generally considered sci fi, which is usually a separate genre).
You only cheer for the genocidal dictator in 'Dune'. In the 'Dune: Messiah' - Herbert makes it clear that our Muad'dib *IS* unambiguously a genocidal dictator. Frank Herbert's central thesis for those books can be summarized as, "No more terrible disaster can befall your people than for them to fall into the hands of a Hero." "Don't give over all of your critical faculties to people in power, no matter how admirable those people appear to be. Beneath the hero's facade you will find a human who makes human mistakes. Enormous problems arise when human mistakes are made on the grand scale available to the superhero. And sometimes you run into another problem. It is demonstrable that power structures tend to attract people who want power for the sake of power and that a significant portion of those people are imbalanced -- in a word, insane."
Sister Helen's in the back, sweet Margot in the front
Walking down Arakis in the hot, hot sun
Suddenly, red-blue lights flash us from behind
Loud voice booming, "Please step out onto the line"
Helen preach words of comfort, Margot just hides her eyes
Atreides taps his shades, "Is that a Chevy '69?"
Gom Jabbar
Gom Jabbar, Gom Jabbar
Destination unknown, as we pull in for some spice
A freshly pasted poster reveals a smile from the past
Kangaroo mice and chairdogs, bulls, sligs, sand worms
Helen speaks "Righteous, " Sister Margot says "Funky"
Gom Jabbar
Gom Jabbar, Gom Jabbar
Ooh, baby (ooh, baby)
It's making me crazy (it's making me crazy)
Every time I look around (look around)
It's by my neck!
God Emperor steps out and says, "The sand trouts left town"
People jump and jive, and the Duncans have stuck around
Radio news and dictatels, there's ornithopters in the sky
Fremen, Ixians, Tleilaxu ask where, for, and why
Helen yells, "We're outta here, " Margot says, "Right on"
Plans in plans we folded space, before they knew we were gone
Jumped into a No-ship, headed for big lights
Wanna know the rest? Hey, buy the spice.
Gom Jabbar
Gom Jabbar, Gom Jabbar
Ooh, baby (ooh, baby)
It's making me crazy (it's making me crazy)
Every time I look around (look around)
Every time I look around
It's by my neck!
I always recommend the Dune books like this:
Read Dune and Dune Messiah.
If you enjoyed them, read Children of Dune and God Emperor of Dune. But keep in mind that they're not as good as the first two books.
If you enjoyed CoD and GEoD, read Heretics of Dune and Chapterhouse Dune. But keep in mind that they're not as good as the previous books.
And if you like those books as well, never even look at the atrocity that is Brian Herbert's glorified fan fiction.
Basically, with every two books there is a noticeable drop in quality. And when we reach the Brian Herbert book that quality drops so hard it becomes a black hole.
forgot that despite the series taking place over thousands of years one character remains throughout. I wonder if they try to shoe horn duncan idaho into the prequels.
This is so accurate omggggg
but the 4th book is a philosophical behemoth in the best way possible.
Not going to lie, I spent most of this video perplexed why the choice was made to have a clean shaven face but also to have a beard on the sides of your neck.
same here
Bizarre
Wait. Wasn't the beefswelling line in Children of Dune? Or did Frank try to use it twice?
It was in Children, yeah.
When Leto is tripping balls.
I have been watching this video once before starting each book, I'm starting the third book today, and it just gets more accurate every time
I had close to this exact conversation several times when the chalomet movie came out
I felt with the Dune saga the same way I felt with Hyperion. Authors made a masterpiece first book with amazing ideas, but decided to go on a different approach with the second book onwards
This is far too accurate
Told my friend who has only seen Denis's Dune movies about the Worm God, and now he really hopes we get to see him on screen eventually which we probably won't.
The best description I could come up with is that it slowly but surely goes from sacrum to profanum. First two books (1-2) are the most 'proper' and dune-like fiction, full of politics and deals. Then the prophecy goes in full swing (3-4) and there's this feeling of stagnation and timeless, unending story. Some readers don't like this part (I can understand why). But I think it's worth getting through, because last books (5-6) of the series are extremely unique and "fluid". It's feels like a new dawn.
Also, when you are at last two books, the beginning of the story seems truly ancient; I've never came across such splendid time passing depiction, perhaps maybe in Asimov's Foundation series.
So, I'm still half-way into the first half of the fist book, I kinda understand how complex and weird it gets as the sequels come out (including the whole Idaho situation) but MAN is it reassuring to see that no one wants to read the Brian books jajaja
Edit: It's awesome how this video just gives me the right amount of info for me to be hooked on to reading at least until the 4th book
Miles Teg Book 5 is a Fu**ing badass.
I love the movie and am considering to try out the books. Never really been a book reader before. After reading some reviews, I'm even more confused now lmao.
I ended up reading House Atreides by Brian Herbert (after having read Frank Herbert's Dune). I liked it quite a lot, actually.
A lot of his books are actually pretty solid in my opinion, they’re no Frank Herbert masterpieces obviously - but they’re still entertaining reads on their own. I think that is often ignored to drowned out by all of the hate for them.
@@Meep-0424 There are plenty of authors I have found whose writing I have detested. Brian Herbert's writing was definitely not among them.
I always just assumed they were like, for people who wanted to know more about the universe of Dune than those who want more Dune stories
I have read the whole series and I do not recall reading the word beefswelling. Apparently my brain blocked it as a traumatic memory
Ok but, my young child mind was absolutely down with what was happening in the Butlerian Jihad. Erasmus is GOATED as a character
That's probably the best prequel trilogy, I loved those books. People claiming they are disconnected from the main story are just weird, because guess what these books tell stuff that happened 10.000 years earlier.
Though the last book does leave you hanging... in a way, its free and the open possibilities did seem fitting; they basically blast past the galaxy and the fourth wall
I never knew the son wrote the ending! That explains some things...
I'm re-reading Children right now and have never felt more attacked by a video in my life
This is like Doctor Who fans trying to recommend the 8th Doctor Audios to people who have only seen the 2006 show.
"Yes of course you should listen to Zagreus. No it's not good. Yes it's the Magnum Opus of Big Finish audios. And if you want to listen to Zagreus you have to listen to Neverland, and Neverland won't make sense unless you've listened to all the previous 8th Doctor Main Range audios. And reeeally, since Rassilon and Romana and Leela play such an important part in Zagreus, it really only makes sense to go back and watch all of Classic Who Doctors 3, 4, 5, and 6."
"So if I listen to all those audios and watch the TV show, then Zagreus will make sense?"
"No. It will not."
"And you said this is the best Doctor Who audio ever?"
"Oh god no it's a hot mess."
I've tried reading this series on four separate occasions in the last 30 years, and I ALWAYS stop during the initial chapters of the third book.
Biased advice: read a summary and skip to book 4.
I hate the third book. Way too long, almost no interesting ideas, and almost nothing happens in general.
It basically digs up a whole new story by reframing Paul's decisions. Either this comes from nowhere or I missed huge hints from the first two books.
Children of Dune completely nerfs Alia for no reason (just to show how badass Leto is, probably). I really hate that.
Overall not recommended. A summary is more than enough to enjoy the wild ride of book 4.
@@enjaad1654to add on to your points, I don’t know if this is a personal thing but I don’t like how many dead characters come back. Spoilers: The baron being the villain again is kinda lazy, and Paul coming back is unsatisfying, I always thought him dying at the end of the second book was better. And I agree that Alia was done dirty.
About the beefswelling. Pauls son Leto ii has the memories of his ancestors and he recalls a memory of sex and it’s the 10 year old boy who has the beefswelling. The child. Who later becomes a sand worm with just his face sticking out, and some little arms
I remember buying hunters of dune and being like “why do I own this” so I returned it same day without even trying it
And thats the Problem mass hatred by people bot eben knowing the book
I’m didn’t need to read it to know it’s shit
@@deepfriedbollocks4402 only idiots not worth of literature would judge a book by its cover
ok mate, keep consuming the 30+ spin off books of some guy milking his dads success@@Rakonax
I actually really like the 3rd book. I like God Emperor more than I expected but the fact that the borderline villain is more progressive than the 'hero' Duncan Idiaho is kind weird. Duncan is just so aggressively misogynistic in God Emperor that it's painful
I forgot about the beef swelling….
Im about 3/4 of the way through hunters rn and im actually quite enjoying it just for the chance to see what the hell frank was trying to build up from 5 on, even if its not written with the same level of detail as the originals
Good weird or bad weird?
Yes.
Unequivocally correct assertation sir ;)
I actually heartily recommend the 8th one, Sandworms of Dune. It's one of my favourites of the whole series
While the first book certainly holds a special place in my heart, "God Emperor of Dune" is without a doubt my favorite :p The later books are also pretty good, in general I like all of them a lot :) As for Brian's prequels, I actually enjoyed "The Butlerian Jihad" series a lot too, although in a different way than the originals, but the rest is "meeh" at best.
LOL I feel like these lines could have been taken straight off of the Dune subreddit, you nailed the culture around how people describe and recommend these books.
This is exactly how I talk about Roger Zelazny's books lol. I really need to read the Frank Herbert Dune books...
This is the most perfect description of how wonderful the dune series ever. Long time fan. Spent way too much time assassinating landstraad fools as a tleilaxu facedancer on the dune MUSH in 1993 and 94.
I tell people to read it until you feel like stopping, where that is will vary from person to person. For me it was book 4, I was satisfied with it as an ending and didn't want to learn anymore.
I found Dune extremelly easy to read. Spiritual moments and poetry and all. For a book taking place in shifting sands, there sure is a lot of rigid prose eh?
Do we get any moment-to-moment tragedy, like as, do we witness these events unfold as the Fremen Jihad across the galaxy? Is there impact to the people dying to the Jihad? Or does Herbert throw numbers at us and we are supposed to pull the empathy out of ourselves with a hookline or some other mumbo-jumbo?
Just finished Children of Dune and there is a reference to beef swelling in that one as well
Miles Teg and Ordade saved the final 2 for me ngl
Read the first Dune book, wait 6 months, and read it again. Then read all 5 sequels, reading 4 and 5 and 6 each twice before moving on. Then read them all again in order over and over until your mind stops being blown and seeing new things. I’ve been stuck in the series for 5 years.
The Brian Herbert Dune books, while not as good as the originals, are I think still good! The sequals aren't what Frank Herbert would have written but they aren't terrible, and some of the prequels I would say are even very good. The Great Schools of Dune trilogy is actually really good imo and is probably Brian Herbert's best work.
Yeah I haven't read them and I would guess that many of not most of us who recommend in this way haven't either. So, as you can see, we laugh at the idea rather than actually telling people not to read them. They may well be good, but after chapterhouse I didn't care for any more Dune. I am not proud of this derision that I display but the depiction is accurate.
I agree, After “legends of Dune “ would say the “schools of dune “
Is my favorite trilogy. I don’t know about you, but I would love a standalone novel about the life of gilbertus albans to fill in the gap between those two trilogies. Showing him trying to lay low, devising his mentat curriculum and showing his human side with regards to that woman that he fell in love with while he was living on the agricultural planet. And anytime we get more Erasmus is a good thing. Isn’t he the apotheosis of the fascinating evil AI, like master mold from the X-Men, Skynet from terminator, Hal 900 from 2001 a space Odyssey, The matrix, and of course ship from Frank Herbert’s collaboration with Bill Ransom on the Pandora sequence.
You mentioned the schools of Dune trilogy anari Idaho is an ancestor of Duncan ?
“The prequel novels are not what Frank Herbert whatever it”
If George Lucas had written the script for the prequel trilogy and decided on the cast, given instructions for how they were to be filmed but then died before filming and his daughter Katie took over and executed his plan, then every Star Wars fan in the world would say what you just said about the dune prequel’s
“ George Lucas would’ve never made these prequel movies“. And they would all be wrong. There’s no telling what direction Herbert would’ve went in if you lived long enough, by very virtue of the fact that the dune fan base is split on how good his six novels are is in itself an indication that a writer grows and changes overtime and sometimes outgrows the fan base
Calling Children boring is an insane take wtf
Books 1 and 2 were enough for me. Alia getting the “she may look like a child but she’s actually a thousand year old dragon” treatment and getting paired up with clone Duncan was weird enough but I just didn’t fancy getting any more involved with Frank’s kinky fanfics, besides I feel following Paul’s story and finishing with his death is a fine way to end
just the first 2 or maybe 3. If you go beyond, you should go to 8. Brian and Kevin are not Frank, but at least there was an ending.
I will fight anyone, but Murbella and Sheeana are good characters, and book 7 and 8 made their characters complete.
0:32, you can but you have to pay attention