Mazda MX-30 Plug in hybrid - Long journey review. How efficient is it? UK 4K
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- Mazda say the new plug-in hybrid fitted with their legendary rotary engine can travel up to 400 miles but is that true? Well, I put it to the test!
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The Mazda MX-30 R-EV is designed primarily as a city commuter vehicle with a small 0.830cc Wankel Rotary range extender which works as a generator. It never directly powers the wheels - only generates electrical power to charge the much smaller 17.8 kWh battery and depending what propulsion regime you chose, will also supply electric power to the battery - which then powers the electric motor.
This is also a vehicle that needs to suit your specific lifestyle.
If you do over 50 miles a day - this really isn't for you - unless you don't really care about fuel economy.
If you use this for, say, a 30 mile round trip commute Monday to Friday with home charging every night - and occasionally do longer social trips on the weekend - then YES, this is for you.
The best way to exploit this car is to use it as a commuter vehicle with mandatory home charging available - if you do not have home charging then it automatically becomes much more expensive to run the MX-30 R-EV.
The small battery will give you a range of 53 miles maximum EV range - and if your commute is under 35 miles round trip per day, you can always charge at home (or at work - if it is free) and almost never have to use the Rotary Range Extender during the week (unless you strategically want to).
The propulsion system has three modes;
1. Normal
2. EV
3. Charge
In normal mode with a fully charged battery, it will run in EV mode till the battery drops to 43% or whereabouts - then the Rotary Extender will kick in and and run, preventing the battery from dropping below 43% state of charge.
In EV mode, the car will run as an EV only - until the battery is fully depleted - at which point the Rotary Extender will kick in and provide power to the battery - and the vehicle will continue to operate as long as there's petrol.
In Charge mode, the Rotary Range Extender will proceed to charge the battery to whatever percentage state of charge you specify - and will do this while you can continue to drive the vehicle as normal.
Do note that regardless of what mode you are in, apparently, if you push the throttle pedal down hard in an attempt to drive it like you stole it, the Rotary Range Extender will kick in to give your propulsion system the extra electrical power the electric motor is demanding - and I suspect, at the same time preventing the small battery from experiencing a huge drain which could potentially damage it.
Clever use of home charging and occasionally running the Rotary Range Extender can dramatically increase your overall MPG, making this a very economical car to run - especially if you have also set up a night charging tariff with your electricity service provider. You could charge it for as little as 9 pence a kilowatt - now that's truly cheap. Avoid public chargers at all costs as they can be very expensive.
Generally, in a city environment, treat the Rotary Range Extender as an emergency auxiliary power source and generally use it strategically. You can't leave that 50 litre tank of fuel in there for very long, so you'll have to use it up and replenish it at some point.
This then, is a car for the geek minded; those who would love the challenge of strategically thinking about the best ways to utilise and adapt the MX-30 R-EV's myriad capabilities from day to day (for their daily use) with all the enthusiasm of an airline captain (or budding astronaut) flying across the ocean in a Boeing Passenger Airliner, doing calculations on wind speed, temperatures at various destinations and the availability of refuelling infrastructure at those destinations.
To me, that's great fun. Some motorists however, might just want to drive from A to B without constantly thinking about the EV battery state of charge, how long the Rotary Extender runs for and which propulsion mode might strategically be the best choice to maximise fuel economy overall.
Ergo, the MX-30 R-EV is not for everyone - but I'd certainly buy one in a heartbeat....!!!
Think I'd stick with a Toyota hybrid that does what says on the tin(more or less) without all the geeky business 😂
Just wondering how well the Wankel Rotary Engine, rotor seals and all, will stand up to occasional use if you mainly drove "strategically", as you put it, driving short trips using mostly the battery. Obviously this question applies to all PHEVs, but rotaries tend to be fragile
@@piglet5287 I can absolutely understand why you would do that. I presently drive a 15 year Prius Tspirit (UK). It’s economical, reliable and has saved me over £10,000 in fuel bills over the last decade - especially as I have become an expert at effortlessly hypermiling the Prius to the max.
Last year, I managed 653 miles out of the 45 litre tank (69.4mpg indicated on screen).
I want another car now and I’m leaning towards the MX-30 R-EV.
That’s a car my heart wants for once - not my head.
I don’t want another Prius - kids have left home.
I don’t want a tiny euro box.
I don’t want a Toyota Aygo and the dash of the Toyota C-HR Hybrid looks like it was designed for an 18 year old man child - while the interior lacks that MX-30 premium feel.
Of course, I’d rather have a Prius engine in the MX-30 body - and I’d live happily ever after - but reality IS cruel.
Disclosure: I like Coupe’s.
I once owned a Mazda MX-3 1.6i Coupe for 8.5 years loved every second of it - so I know Mazda is a good marque.
Yes, I’m a geeky type with delusions of space aviation grandeur - those tiny side portholes to the rear of the MX-30 scream Spaceship 2 to me. The rear light clusters look like rocket motors / thrusters on a small spacecraft.
Yeah, this suits my existing and future lifestyle 100%.
Short distances everywhere with extremely the rare occasional long distance drive.
I’d like an EV or Plug-in type upgrade - but I want some style in it - a vehicle that isn’t just an appliance - but stands out from the crowd. I could live with this.
The new Toyota C-HR 2024 Plug-in is looking good too - it would definitely be more efficient than the MX-30 R-EV……but the Mazda has that brand new Corellian Shipyards YT-1300 look about it; a switchgear dash, those exterior curves, rear haunches, and beefy vertical mandibles up front. And a premium interior Landó Calrissian would appreciate.
It’s almost illogical, but the Mazda MX-30 R-EV has me in its unbreakable spell - it’s a decision of the heart - not the head…..😳🙄🤣🤣🤣👍🏾
Starting from just over £31,000 to buy for that around 30 miles round trip one may be after! 😂 no thanks.
Thank you for that explanation as I was trying to establish how the petrol engine consumed fuel when this car was, apparently, being driven in EV only mode. The only thing I don't like about the Mazda is the rear doors, but otherwise it's all good.
Mazda literally won’t give up on Rotary tech. Everything that is great in principle in a rotary seams to be thrown away in reliability. That said. I applaud Mazda for big V6 diesels. Rotary. And keeping with larger CC petrols not smaller turbo supercharged. It feels refreshing and I’ve always loved Mazda. As a motor trader. They’re great.
Hi, Good honest review on the MX-30, happy driving🚗👍
One of the most interesting vehicles today. Love the design, inside and outside. Love the doors. Love the colors. Love the hybrid concept being similar to BMW i3 REX and current Hondas. Mazda's are great cars. I want one. Regarding the MPG rating. A Hybrid was never intended for high MPG on long drives. A diesel or a plain electric does better in that regard. Had the MX-30 gotten a bigger battery instead of the hybrid option, I'd probably would have perfered that. Nevertheless a beautiful car.. :)
I really like this idea. Very occasionally do I need back seats. Sounds perfect apart from the efficiency. Will be a great used buy
I enjoyed watching the Video Review. The MX-30 looks different to other SUVs particularly the rear doors 😊
Nice car really like the colour
Keep the videos coming tish
No sign of the Bentley video yet lol
Nice presentation. 👌✨💃
Thanks for testing this car :) I own 2019 Mazda3 skyactiv-x, and my normal average fuel economy is normally 5.5l/100km (30% city, 70% expressways). However, with winter tires and during colder days, it is 0.7-1.5l/100km more, and today computer shows 6.4l/100km. I still do feel this mx-30 r-ev might make sense somehow, especially when you mainly drive in city traffic and have a place to charge it. Still, I would sacrifice a 0.5l/100 for a comfort of EV driving 😅
I also wish the battery was bigger here, like 20kWh...
Excellent review that answers the important questions about range and economy- unlike a certain Polish reviewer whose name escapes me.....
This is a great car for a new family. For a couple with a single baby, the doors are a convenience when using a rotating seat when compared to traditional doors, especially since they open almost 90 degrees. Also, cargo space is prioritized over rear seat adult comfort which means even large trolleys will fit with ease. Occasional adult passengers will find the rear seats quite comfortable end even high end for the category, let alone the front seat experience which is better than in many upper class cars.
It is perfect also for an older couple that uses it for city runs (90%) and occasional longer trips, with a dog in the back. That’s why we’ve just bought one 😉
The concept is actually good. The only problem i see is the battery, more cycles means less battery lifetime.
Nice shoes❤
Once the battery is drained it will work like a normal hybrid regardless of the EV setting. That's probably why the engine is running when put it in ev mode
On average, Mazda only sells 900 units of the MX-30 a month. No surprise, due to the limited EV range.
But this PHEV version could probably redeem itself.
Did have an RX-7 I put an exchange engine in, like the outfit, you look cool, could you get a Lada Niva to review ❤
Same price as the old electric Mazda so range extender its a bonus.I like .
Let the subcompact crossover wars begin! Right off the bat: the colour! There's just something about a soul red Mazda that's just dazzling, especially with the 2 tone finish😍 impressive looking machine, but my Lord the competition is fierce in this category! I'd put this car up against Honda's HR-V and Toyota's C-HR, and hopefully the MX-30 can give those two a run for their money.
I'm missing what you're saying. Question: did you plug it in to charge the battery?
I always criticised these big grills from Audi, lots of Chinese cars and so... But this time I think I miss it in this Mazda, but it still looks very good
I'm a big Mazda fan. They're very much for enthusiasts and understand the overall mechanics of a vehicle. They're not for the Lemmings of this world. Especially when it involves the rotary engine. While I do appreciate Mazda for evolving the rotary engine architecture, I'm guessing they're doing research with this particular model before they're forced to go full EV? I think that's the only way you can look at this. Architecture based on the CX30 overall and they're testing the waters with hybrid tech.
I appreciate the review, but as you have experienced, having enough juice to complete a simple take over is a must nowadays. You're saying this thing produces about 170hp?? Or claimed? I'm sorry.. but for this price range, you can easily get into a Model 3 and never look at ICE vehicles again.
I had to trade in my RX8 for a new vehicle this past August. I wasn't planning too but unfortunately the gearbox in it had other plans :-( By sheer luck I managed to find a Model 3 at a reasonable price. I couldn't pass up the opportunity. Best decision I've made! As a daily commuter, there's simply no better answer. I understand why there are so many on the road. :-)
In the EV mandate of many countries, a gas/diesel range extender is accepted as long as the pure EV mode can last at least 50 miles. So this car will satisfy the 2035 EV mandates for many markets.
Strangley i had forgotten about this model probably as it was an EV only before and i'm an out and out petrol head. Rotary engines of the past were always known to be thirsty. Then you have to remember to top up the oil regularly too.
The rotary is at it’s best as a generator always in the best rev range. Glad to see it live on as a green transition enabler.
As a fellow petrol head (although my turbo miata runs on ethanol) and even a bit of a Mazda fan, I had strangely also just glanced over and forgotten about the BEV version completely! That was until about a year ago when looking to update the family car I rediscovered it, test drove it, and ordered one. Still loving it! It’s quite fun and engaging to drive for a family daily with paddle ”shifters” for regen/rolling, round steering wheel with good feel to the road and that instant electric torque.
In our country the charging infrastructure is so good there is no need for this PHEV if one can charge at home and longer trips are only occasional. But for someone who drives more than 90mi a day without the possibility to charge during the day this is a good candidate.
I looked this up just recently. Oil consumption is not a thing anymore. According to the manual service is set to one year or 20k Kilometers. And Oil change is 5.2L (or 5.4L incl. filter replacement). That is by no means oil hungry. And Mazda gives 6 years warranty on the car, at least over here. Having this in mind, considering they are not idiots and knowing that warranty at Mazda is always performed well due to Japanese working ethic I'm not afraid to trust Mazda
Hi, I would presume that the vehicle is NOT consuming fuel in EV mode. I believe the system is simply calculating a different gas range based on your overall current driving style. Bat-out-of-hell versus granny. Capisci?😎
Thanks for the review.
The Vauxhall Ampera was a similar design from over 10 years ago that would give you 40 to 50 miles as a pure EV.
Nissan's e-power system also uses a petrol engine purely as generator. And reports say the fuel consumption is similarly disappointing - too many energy conversions going on?
I test drove this car today. I have been waiting for Mazda to bring out a credible EV. Although this one's in essence a hybrid, its drive train is pure EV, and sure enough it produces a seamless driving experience. When the petrol generator started up, its sound was almost imperceptible. Having owned a Mazda 3 for seven years, I immediately recognised and appreciated the MX-30's tactile and accurate steering, as well as the logical simplicity of the cabin and driver controls, all typical of Mazda. I was not so impressed by the underwhelming torque and relatively heavy feel of the car, compared with my 3's grunty 2.2 diesel engine and light weight. Surprisingly there is little difference in boot capacity between the two cars, given the MX-30's SUV dimensions. I suppose that is due to the EV batteries under the boot. There is also considerably less room than in my car for adult passengers in the rear seats, which I think will be used mainly for holding the weekly shopping. In summary I'm not convinced at this stage, but maybe I will come around when my Mazda 3 reaches its 10th birthday and my desire for fast cornering is satisfied by a motorbike,.
Rotary engine prob last 5 years max.. need oil like an alcoholic needs booze
Rotary engine will probably last 10 to 15 years before needing new rotor tips - if at all - it’s really not logical to equate this unstressed range extender generator (auxiliary power unit if you will) - with a Mazda RX-8 dual rotor Rotary power plant that revved to 9,000 RPM.
This single rotor range extender doesn’t drive the wheels ever. Highest revs are about 4,500 RPM (probably when you get really heavy footed from a standing start - or you’re charging the 17.8 kWh battery while simultaneously driving with a depleted battery.
That will not inflict serious wear and tear on the 830cc Rotary generator at all - oh, and it’s also fuel injected. Also remember that it’s not designed to be beaten to death every single day for your long distance 100 mile round trip commute - get a Vauxhall Corsa instead if you need to mercilessly trash an ICE propulsion unit daily.
Another clear and honest review, Tish.
Poor economy and a cramped interior put me off.
Shame
very nice car , but I
like the driver even more
I tried hybrid cars and always got less mpg than the 4WD diesel I had at the time, all had terrible gearbox’s … but a huge thing I noticed is gear selector! one or two have forwards for back n back for forwards 😵💫 so illogical.. boats are all the correct way round 😂
I love the review that your fuel anxiety really helped me not to go for it.
Great idea to avoid being reliant on the inadequate UK public charging infrastructure but, the battery is a touch too small for me and so are the back seats.
Informative video as always . I was very interested in the Mazda 3 until you informed us on its milage of just 30 mpg on a real run. That makes it a killer for me far too expensive to run especially when you pay such a premium for a PHEV car.
Did you mean MX-30 R-EV? Some testers have had 50 mpg out of it combined cycle - it entirely depends on if you take true advantage of the different propulsion modes available - and this is definitely a BEV with a range extender you REALLY want to charge every single night to get the best economy out of. It’s not really a Prius hybrid at all. It also has to suit your specific lifestyle.
Totally agree and the base model starts from just over £31,000! absolutely bonkers it is.
@@datathunderstorm All I know is the current Kia Niro PHEV I drive gets up to 72 mpg on a long combined drive which I take regularly . I have owned EV cars in the past but range anxiety and lack of chargers on the A303 from Winchester to Exeter has NOT improved in the 9 years since I first owned a Nissan Leaf EV . At least with a PHEV we can now own only one car not two as we previously did using our BMW for all long journeys an expensive option that buying our first PHEV four years ago solved.
@@jontyc3479 I agree that’s the best strategy - PHEV related automobiles…..for now 😊👍🏾
There's no way this car is getting 30mpg, unless you deplete the battery then take it out on a long trip. If you're doing that it would probably make more sense to run it in combined mode to get better mpg then charge it up when you park.
If the economy really is that bad then Mazda has failed badly here. My little fabia has about the same interior space and only slightly less boot space, is 4m long not 4.5 and gets about 50mpg.
Is available now?
Nice video. I think this car is better cause interesting rotary engine and longer range but the backdoors opening with small windows that cannot open is big no no for me.
As I thought this reviewer doesn’t understand the concept of the R-EV, or how to best optimise the economy. I’ve just driven mine on two 370 mile journeys to Cornwall and back at an outside temperature of 8 deg C. Most of the route on motorways and dual carriageways. I started out with a full tank and 100% charge. Each journey was completed with an average speed in excess of 50mph and a 1/4 tank remaining and estimated range left of 80, and 92 miles and 45% charge remaining in the battery. The range easily beats the Mazda quoted 680km (425 miles). Of course if you accelerate hard, drive at maximum permitted speeds etc. then the range will drop. However, given the state of our roads and traffic conditions none of these result in a journey completed in much less time.
The real world fuel consumption is huge, I've driven it today and i couldn't manage below 14 liters per 100km at 130kmh...this is higher than with an X5M bmw
Electric range is no more than 40km with 2 degrees temperature outside
Today I’ve just driven mine 80km on battery power alone at 2 deg C outside! Why drive at the near maximum speed everywhere. Just about any BEV will have a reduced range if driven at 130km/h simply due to the power required to overcome air resistance. My long journeys at average speeds in excess of 80km/h for 580km (not possible to maintain any higher average speeds in the UK network due to traffic, roadworks etc.) were done with an average of 6.5L per 100km.
@@PaulDennis-js4ur my 40km electric drive was made in the city.
30kwh average consumption
Also the car has a very high oil consumption, more than liter per 1000km
Freeways are made for fast driving, 130kmh constant speed
This car can't technically run more than 50km on electric power alone.
I film cars on TH-cam, I've tested more than 1000 cars in 3 years.
A friend was sent at the official launch in Island,he obtained the same results as me
I’m sorry, you are talking rubbish. I don’t care how many cars you’ve tested. You are coming across as a boy racer. I’ve now driven the car for 2400km, including two 600km journeys at an average speed of more than 80km/h. In everyday use, urban and rural I am getting 80+ km EV range. What do you mean the car can’t technically travel more than 50km on electric power alone. On what basis do you say that. Certainly not Mazda’s technical literature nor the experience of many current owners. On the long journeys using the range extender engine I am getting 6.5L/100km. Of course one can drive at a maximum speed (in the UK 114 km/h on the motorway) but inevitably one is then into traffic, roadworks or some other hold up. Use the car as it is designed, maintain a constant speed of 100km/h and get improved economy. This is my experience and I trust that rathe than you’re reporting. @@vladdutz20
@@PaulDennis-js4ur I've been in uk lots of times, real Freeway speed is not that slow.
Freeways in Europe have high travel speeds,i live in Romania, the constant speed is 130 140 kmh, also in Bulgaria, serbia, hungary, Croatia.
If you drive slower than 120kmh you'll cause a traffic jam behind.
That's not racing, it is normal driving
At these speeds the mx30 rev i drive averages 12 14 liters
On national roads where the average speed is between 90 and 100 the consumption is around 7 8 liters
My 2006 honda accord 2.4 vtec with 220hp averages better than this mazda.
A normal cx30 or a Mazda 6 have even half the mx30s values
That was a good real world review. I wish these manufacturers would stop quoting made up numbers. 30 mpg is terrible these days. I almost averaged that in a 20 year old v8. I understand you're supposed to use it as an electric car but 53 miles on a good day is not enough to not be using your petrol generator most days. Its a nice idea but the wankel also has historically awful longevity, ie a rebuild at 50k is normal. It's a nice car but it just doesnt make any sense. Its an EV with an engine attached rather than a petrol car with good battery range. It seems the wrong way around.
Can it actually charge faster than it uses the power?
That’s what I thought…. I think the figures are a little all over the place 🤔
@@AutoSocialUK Yeah. I'd hope it could otherwise you'd need to start charging right off the bat on full battery.
Step in right direction BUT my 2021 Toyota Corolla does 550 miles per tank!
My ancient 2008 Toyota Prius Tspirit (UK) does up to 653 miles on a 45 litre tank of fuel - yet, I still want a Mazda MX-30 R-EV.
I’m at that age where I simply don’t drive long distances any more - I’d rather take a coach or the train - or fly.
My car is now a strictly City vehicle - my Prius lasts 3 weeks of commuting between fill ups - with my daily commute at about 32 miles return.
No kids or regular adult passengers. It’s an oversized Coupe that’s got me hooked - and I don’t even like SUV’s - however, the quirky design on this has me mesmerised.
I would totally run this on a daily home charger regime - keeping that charge regime between 20% - 80% to maximise battery life - that’s what the BMS on my ancient Prius does - and it still has the original battery after 15 years working perfectly.
With regular daily EV commuting, and that Rotary Range Extender also catering for the occasional heavy foot in an entirely urban city environment, you’ll still end up with a very high MPG overall, and you will want that Rotary kicking in every so often and a little more on the rare longer weekend trip - so you can replenish the fuel in the tank - I’d run this on Super Unleaded E5 (as I do my Prius) - not the watered down E10 swill. I get much higher mpg with E5 fuel by the way - and good engine combustion too.
If the 50 litre tank lasts me between 45 to 60 days before a full refill, I’d say that’s both onto a winner and economical - and that’s doing 160 miles a week in overwhelmingly EV mode. I’d program the MX-30 R-EV to drain the battery to 20% SoC before switching to the range extender.
The fact is - I get what Mazda are trying to do here.
I understand and applaud their required Modus Operandi for this specific vehicle.
It REALLY isn’t a one size fits all solution for everyone.
It’s like that Regional City Hopper Passenger Jet that’s most cost effective flying hops between cities on the same continent in the same country.
It’s not really designed for daily transatlantic routes though you can stretch one occasionally when flying to a distant maintenance facility for a major overhaul.
The MX-30 R-EV is meant to be an EV mode city cruiser commuter with an APU (auxiliary power unit) capable of generating electricity for the occasional longer distance journey - and giving you the added bonus of completely eliminating EV range anxiety - and knowing that even if you run out of battery power 5 miles from home - you can still reach your home charger using your Rotary Range Extender APU - and personally, I’d be happy to give up 30 mpg to make it to my home charger or a 50kW/h fast charger that works and is available while far from home.
This will suit the discerning buyer who wants something unusual but still premium and reliable - with operational modes that will gleefully tax his “Big Bang Theory nerd like mind”.
It’s certainly not for everyone - but it helps to know your propulsion systems well - and weigh your lifestyle against what this Corellian Shipyards YT-1300 look alike cruiser has to offer, before taking the plunge.
Lastly, don’t fear the Rotary APU Generator. Mazda would not commit commercial suicide by designing another Rotary engine with a short lifespan. This doesn’t rev to 9,000+ RPM and is restricted to 4,500 RPM at most - and usually runs at a lower albeit constant speed. It will practically last the lifetime of the vehicle in the role of a generator - with appropriate maintenance - and the odd oil top up.
Werent Mazda rotary engines known for being thirsty as well as unreliable? Appreciate these engines are not being worked so hard, and may be more reliable than previous versions, but it does seem an odd choice in some ways. That said, I do like the looks of this car.
They like oil a lot too....
They were unrelible if the owner relied on not reading the manual and didn’t add oil or change gears when needed. If you want a care free power train get pure BEV 😊
@@AutoSocialUK They consume oil, like two stroke petrol engines
Everyone remembers the rotary woes of 50 years ago. Been a steady improvement in reliability since then. Noting also most didn't drive rotaries to be the shopping trolley, they were fun to rev so people did. Flog any engine for a few years and they will give problems.
That MPG 😂 and where does the 'Saving the planet' come into it with it? and starting from just over £31,000 to buy! good review 👍
STP factor comes in when you use the car like it is intended to: pure electric mode in everyday city runs, hybrid mode during occasional longer journeys.
@@jambosalad Rather have something like a Dacia Jogger mid spec Comfort with an ICE engine and save over £14,000.
@@Silver-st2zq the Dacia is ugly, has plastic interior and doesn’t have a Wankel.
@@jambosalad Long term Reliability and durability of a Wankel engine? it doesn't have the best reputation, along with the £14,000 saving over it with the Dacia it's a no thanks Mazda from me.
@@Silver-st2zq this new Wankel is no more a propulsor, it’s a generator (newly engineered for that specific purpose), we’re not talking about RX-7 engine.
Bigger battery would have been better. BMW went down this route with range extender until batteries coud give 150-200 miles at good power density. If Mazda did this then they would have fixed the issue with the otherwise great car.
My 2008 Gen 2 Prius gives me around 65 miles per gallon average. Things seem to be going backwards. 🤔
It's kind of like a 4 door coupé.
This seem like a real Volt/Ampera successor. I just hope it's going to be understood, but so far when you look at youtube it isn't. It's getting hate from petrol and ev community.
I think it's a quirky car, like you I like it a lot it is almost a 2 plus 2 sports car fit shame about the low mileage but for a single or couple only who mainly only do local drives then it would be pretty much perfect😊
I love Mazda, but they don't do hybrids well I'm afraid.
Remember the old Peugeot diesels getting 1000km to a tank in an everyday sedan... what happened??
The rotary engine was always uneconomical and used so much oil in Mazda’s of old, so seems like at least one of the issues still exists. Also what’s the point if it does 260 to 300 miles on a charge and petrol, plenty of EV’s can do that one a charge and will cost a lot less to do it too ?
Perhaps Mazda hopes there are not many people left like me who remember the disastrous rotary engines in the NSU RO80. 18mpg and a replacement engine once a year
Rotary engines consume oil, like two stroke petrols
@@erkinalp and it was a miracle if the rotary engine in the RX8 lasted 70k
The point is this does easily 600 miles with a full tank (55 lt), plus another 60 on battery. 😉
@@jambosalad 600 miles assumes you can achieve over 49.5mpg - not very likely with that rotary engine. Nearer to 30 mpg once battery has been used
My Mx 30 does 80 miles in winter months. I wouldn't bother with both My Mrs. Self charging Hybrid does 74 mpg.
My 2008 Prius presently has 56.5mpg on the Multi Function Display - that’s winter for you. Heating demands means you’ll use more power - ICE, Hybrid or EV - energy costs money and you use more of it in the cold.
In summer, I can achieve 69.4mpg in the same 15 year old iconic relic of a Prius (2nd Generation).
So, 80 miles in winter, out of a vehicle with a known optimal 124 mile range in summer seems entirely normal when you look at it from a purely “laws of physics” point of view.
I’d happily live with 80 miles per full charge (winter conditions) from an MX-30 BEV - I’m not going anywhere far - I can personally, completely live with an MX-30 BEV as long as I have home charging (overnight tariff) - it would still suit my lifestyle perfectly.
These cars are about using electric first then engine my vauxhall ampera does better and 4 miles per Kw seems tech hasn't moved forward to me as mines 10 yrs old now so what's happening
This drive train should be in a bigger vehicle like the Mazda 3. Fifty miles EV range for day to day use and 300 miles on petrol for the occasional road trip would really suit my car usage. Great review by the way. The car does seem to have other issues though.
Right, most if not all short trips are electric…. Long trips will be petrol, with no range restriction. I have put 100k on a Chevy Volt, 80% were electric, and I averaged 64km/l or 150mpg. You must factor in all of those EV miles mate. Sadly, I can’t replace my Volt with this non US market MX-30 rotary.
It's perfect. Rotary engines tend to be thirsty but 300 miles bdfore a refill is fine, no problem. Far better than a big expensive battery that can only do 100 miles
Base model starting price just over £31,000 for £30-35 mpg! no thanks.
@@Silver-st2zq Yes, they are too expensive
This vehicle are garbage,max speed are shitty,range terribly,price like some bmw 1,2,3
I’m a massive rotary fan and I’ll tweak your 2nd sentence: they don’t tend to be thirsty. They are.
@@Silver-st2zq35 mpg… but not often. Your daily journeys will be EV. This review was a bit misleading.
That company has been slipping for some time now and this was Mazda's effort to raise the company from the ground, but very poor attempt at a hybrid SUV. This vehicle was not though out properly before being put into production, there are too many mistakes which leads me to believe it's probably not safe as they say. Not impressed at all.
250 plus Torque you are not driving it ?? Slow over 30mph 😂😂😂. Also you are driving it at its least economical. Check the forums we are getting more than the stated figure.
Mazda doing what the bmw i3 did ,but a decade later.
The mazda CEO must have shares in Toblerone because ,damn they won't let it die will they.
as an owner of Mazda mx30 EV, i can tell you run away from this car, all Mazda needed to do is extend their 35kwh battery, to 45-55KWH give a range a bit over 200 mileas, than this car would sell better and actually be amazing car, in my use i get a bit tired that i have to charge it up on daily basis, especially on winter time, as i can come back from work, car will show 55%, but i can not be sure if during night time if there is minuses outside, i will have enough battery charge to get to work and back, so even if i have more than a half of battery charge in it, still i have to top it up, just tomake sure i will have enough to drive my daily routine, car itself is amazing, but they needed to make bigger battery for it, and would be great car, and not this rotary crap, 300 mileas for 60 quid, my other 3.0ltre diesel car would do that easy!
I agree. I was very close to buying this car, but one of my work commutes is 100 miles, and I just couldn't trust it would do this. Real shame as it is a lovely car for the price apart from this!
This doesn't appear to be a good solution either!
Well 50 miles on electric only is one of the best ranges for a phev of this price. I could drive this car for 90% on electric only so would be an improvement on my mercedes A250e which only does 35 miles in ev mode. So I guess the main criteria is what distance journeys make the majority of one's lifestyle. If like me they are mostly around town then this car could well be worth looking at.
I have news for you : you won't be alone for long and having kids can happen faster than one might think. Be wise when you're young and single: get an affordable small car (not the same as boring) and save up for the future. Once settled, you'll ditch both your small cars and have the fun and luxury to buy a decent family car. My first car was a 75hp Peugeot 205 , being single. My wife drove a lovely 1300cc Toyota Starlet. We sold both and bought a Vauxhall Astra estate. Then a hidden gem the Fiat 500L and now the unbeatable Mini Countryman Cooper. Start small, you'll enjoy the stepups afterwards.
Than childs grow, they go away, you ditch your Q5 and get a Mazda Mx 30. 😉
@@jambosaladWell said……that’s where I am right now……even a used MX-30 BEV is incredibly attractive at this point!! 😂😂😂👍🏾
I thought that the EU didn’t like rotary engines because they are not very efficient
I think they found a way round that by making it a plug-in hybrid.
It’s a rotary. Less economy. Don’t know why they still use them.
"If youre a single person, the doors arent annoying".
If youre a single person gou dont need an suv.
If you don't drive at all, nothing about the MX30 is annoying, so it's perfect 😂 That's the way some of the fanboys are going
If you are a single person, you can have whatever you want…..🙄
When you think that Mazda cannot produce something stupid& pointless they actually produce it like this junk here with shitty range,max speed and relative high price!! I think that Rolls Royce and Bentley will have higher sale numbers then Mazda with this junk
Yes get a larger SUV for one person and then whine about fuel consumption lol!
The engine is the only part I'm interested in, rest of the car is pretty meh, typical modern car, with way too many lines, designed by some transformer obsessed kid...
So much talking about very little, and the accent.
Glad you enjoyed it
This car is just WASTE OF MONEY !!!! Mazda should buy a hybrid system from Toyota and implement to their cars. I have driven new Prius 1.8 plug in hybrid and average fuel consumption was around 60mpg. This Mazda does only 34.3mpg …. it’s a joke. I’d prefer to drive a 3.0 V6 petrol and I would have same mpg.
This thig is a trash 🗑️🚮 😂
This is a terrible car and only made worse by adding a massively inefficient and unreliable rotary engine. Only an idiot would saddle themselves with a car thats this expensive for so little practicality.
It all depends on your driving needs. I like it, and I'm not an idiot!
@@deansven there are zero driving needs that aren’t better served by a more practical and cheaper EV
Thanks for kindly naming other people idiots that don't share your opinion like me.
The rotary isn't massively inefficient and unreliable - they did tweak a lot. Plus: I don't care with 6 years factory warranty and 8 years warranty on the battery.
In regards to comsumption: It depends on your use case. There are better tests available in regards to comsumption - in an urban scenario it runs with 2.5 to 3.5l/100km.
For a 1.8 ton car. That is far from inefficient to me.
Plus the advantage over any Toyota or other similar hybrids (on top of design, cabin quality, look and feel): It's a serial plugin - which means your engine isn't pushed to 6k rpm in winter from zero rpm when you want to accelerate hard. Which is a way more clever solution to be kind with the engine.
Full EVs can't serve the same purpose at all and the same use case.
Wait a year or two - see electricity rising in price due to higher needs, see taxes increasing for EVs and then finally there will be the point reached to fairly compare efficiency (in money) between EVs, hybrids and classic engines.
Have a good one.
@@natteem5127 you’re welcome….and I stand by my original statement. This car is a terrible choice no matter how you look at it. There are better, more practice and far more efficient cars that are both EV, PHEV and pure ICE than this carbuncle.
@@richardblayney5898 then name some