uncriticalsimon Same applies to areas where there are points. Imagine stepping between the running rail and switch rail and them points move...Your leg and foot is getting crushed!
Nowadays, when the driver sounds his whistle, every person working on the track should raise his hand to show that he is aware of the train's approach.
Yes, nowadays it's just total panic for poor little snowflakes who are so dense, they actually believe government lies which mainstream media is told to promulgate like scamdemics / corona viruses
Excellent film. Some good shots of CO/CP stock too. Looks like some of it was filmed between Northfields & South Ealing which was my old stomping ground in the 60s & 70s
In the days when the District Line trains also ran alongside the Piccadilly Line trains between South Ealing and Hounslow West up until the end of District Line services on this line in October 1964.
I remember with great fondness the bell shaped District line trains and the other ones in the film that went on to become BR units over IoW. Quite often I would travel from Grove Park to New Cross, hit onto the train there and up to Whitechapel and then all over the network as I had a PT thanks to me dad and you could get a reduced rate rover for bus and tube which I used all the time. My aunty Sandy worked for LT, was on the executive too, I wanted to work on LT but my BR father made it clear he would disown me if I worked on the toy trains as he called 'em, he disliked the tube and he was often quite rude to the LT drivers at Wimbledon A where he and his hobbo worked.
Yeah that's because it wasn't nonsense in 1950 it was factual, accurate and useful. These days it's like. "you can't open the fuse box until you call an electrician and fill in a 93 page risk assessment" They turned “Safety” into an industry, which means they just shove so much of it down your throat it becomes more dangerous.
I could not agree with that more. How on earth the railways in this country manage to still operate some form of train service I do not know chances are the maintenance crews sign more H&S documents every night than repair forms.
So the guy at 9:25 lived? That must've been one faast-blowing fuse! Even then that much amperage would surely give his heart a hell of a jolt not to mention a nasty burn to whatever was in contact w/the shovel!
When I was trained in track safety in 2000, we were trained in how to use both techniques, and given a chance to try them on a section of dummy track. I preferred stepping over both at once, it felt safer and I was more confident doing it.
Using shovels only centimeters from live high voltage rails? How they ever thought this could be safe is bewildering! Oh that's right, they said "as long as you don't touch the _metal_ parts of the shovel". Lol. They may as well have told them to wear rubber underwear. ⚡
On BR in this period the track workers would turn their backs on the trains as the toilets would discharge directly on to the tracks. You turned away so you did get a mouthfull of something nasty.
There are photos in the office i work in showing LPTB track workers using tools powered off the traction rails with sort of an upside down pantograph thing. Mad! PS - 750V is only on 4LM lines. Tube still runs 660v
@@SportyMabamba Actually it's 630 volts. The old southern region BR network used to be 660 volt but it was later increased to 750 volt, which is also used on the merseyrail electrified network which used to be 650 volt in the LYR days. And there also used to be a one off third rail system used on just one line from Bury to Manchester Victoria until august 1991 which was 1200 volt! And that used to arc so bright it got projected right up into the night sky just like an old WW2 searchlight! I know as I used to go down there on winter evenings just to watch it.
@@paulspeight8398 That's right, because it used to be third rail only when it was operated by british rail. And isn't at least part of the metropolitan line 750 volt too? I seem to remember reading that somewhere, it must cause all manner of compatibility problems with the trains, but then again they all have their own depots and don't they usually stay on their own lines?
@@majorpygge-phartt2643 Been years since I was driver on LT left in 1980 to work on B.R so some information might be out of date? All new LT trains are designed for 750v dc operation but still operate at 630v (postive rail carries upto 420v above earth & the negative 210v below earth) 750V they would just go a little faster, Problem at the time? Was some escalators & lifts ran from the 630v traction current so you can guess what happens at 750vThe metroplitan line north of Harrow - Amersham - Watford - Chesham operates on 750v (a GOOD A60 would touch close to 75mph but most would be around 68mph)
In those days you could hear a train from a long way off and moved out of the way in plenty of time, but as trains got quieter, vests became necessary so you could be seen by the train drivers from a longer way off
I hate Health and Safety ok be safe but Never NEVER PUT YOU BLOODY BODY PARTS, TOOLS ETC BETWEEN THE LIVE RAIL AND RUNNING RAIL NOR UNDERNEATH IT WHEN PROVIDING JUICE
I can hardly believe what that bloke's doing, sticking his foot in between the positive rail and the running rail next to it, what INSANITY! I once saw a much more recent training film by the london underground where a group of trainee women guards were being trained to step over the live tracks safely, first with a dead dummy track section and then the real thing with it live, and they had to step over BOTH positive and nearest running rails as if they were one, far safer! And that was in the daytime in dry bright weather, it's a lot more deadly at night when it's pitch black, and it's raining or there's ice etc. or in a tunnel...
"loose clothes may get caught up by passing trains, which would be very unpleasant" understatement and a half !!!
the things I see in this movie are totally impossible today. At least here in Holland. But a great movie to show the co-workers.
*Man gets seriously injured* "Look at the chaos its caused!"
Simon Carey but it was a dry day. He survived. Fool.
I felt weak watching him stand so close to the positive rail. I always take a big step over the running rail and third rail!
Which is the correct current rule. Never put your foot between them. (NB: IANAR - I am not a railwayman)
uncriticalsimon Same applies to areas where there are points. Imagine stepping between the running rail and switch rail and them points move...Your leg and foot is getting crushed!
I had to do it in training, that was bad enough
@@leenilsson1544 Was that for stations?
blimey look the trolleys away!!!!!!
Nowadays, when the driver sounds his whistle, every person working on the track should raise his hand to show that he is aware of the train's approach.
Nice video, full of nostalgia but so many dangerous things. Most of that you would NEVER get away with these days. Thank heavens for the HSE.
Yes, nowadays it's just total panic for poor little snowflakes who are so dense, they actually believe government lies which mainstream media is told to promulgate like scamdemics / corona viruses
Excellent film. Some good shots of CO/CP stock too. Looks like some of it was filmed between Northfields & South Ealing which was my old stomping ground in the 60s & 70s
Great film , how things have changed ⚡️
7:57 "But., uh, try not to have to do it." Hehe
How many do you think purposefully did it
Why didn't he just stay on the right hand side of the track? 😂
Great Video
In the days when the District Line trains also ran alongside the Piccadilly Line trains between South Ealing and Hounslow West up until the end of District Line services on this line in October 1964.
12:22 - "You were only supposed to blow the bloody doors off!"
"Sorry, Charlie"
lol
I love the exploding barrels! Great SFX there. :)
I remember with great fondness the bell shaped District line trains and the other ones in the film that went on to become BR units over IoW. Quite often I would travel from Grove Park to New Cross, hit onto the train there and up to Whitechapel and then all over the network as I had a PT thanks to me dad and you could get a reduced rate rover for bus and tube which I used all the time. My aunty Sandy worked for LT, was on the executive too, I wanted to work on LT but my BR father made it clear he would disown me if I worked on the toy trains as he called 'em, he disliked the tube and he was often quite rude to the LT drivers at Wimbledon A where he and his hobbo worked.
BR: Big Railway
LU: Toy Railway
DLR: Micro-Machines™️
And yet people today say things like "we didn't need all that health and safety nonsense back in the old days" when clearly they did need it.
Yeah that's because it wasn't nonsense in 1950 it was factual, accurate and useful. These days it's like. "you can't open the fuse box until you call an electrician and fill in a 93 page risk assessment" They turned “Safety” into an industry, which means they just shove so much of it down your throat it becomes more dangerous.
I could not agree with that more. How on earth the railways in this country manage to still operate some form of train service I do not know chances are the maintenance crews sign more H&S documents every night than repair forms.
So the guy at 9:25 lived? That must've been one faast-blowing fuse! Even then that much amperage would surely give his heart a hell of a jolt not to mention a nasty burn to whatever was in contact w/the shovel!
That fuse looked like a 15 amp internal one. A track fuse would have needed both hands to pick it up.
Step between the live and the running rail? Jesus christ, that looks super scary.
Yeah, on the few occasions I had to cross live LU tracks, there was no way I was trying that!
Did they really step between the running rail and the Juice in them days? I have always steeped over both rails at once and not between them!
When I was trained in track safety in 2000, we were trained in how to use both techniques, and given a chance to try them on a section of dummy track. I preferred stepping over both at once, it felt safer and I was more confident doing it.
"Mind the juice"
Using shovels only centimeters from live high voltage rails? How they ever thought this could be safe is bewildering! Oh that's right, they said "as long as you don't touch the _metal_ parts of the shovel". Lol. They may as well have told them to wear rubber underwear. ⚡
On BR in this period the track workers would turn their backs on the trains as the toilets would discharge directly on to the tracks. You turned away so you did get a mouthfull of something nasty.
We still did until a few months ago, whilst the HSTs were still running we have all encountered the white/brown mist off the trains!
Correction: you turned away so you did not get a mouthful of something nasty.
Seriously, a work gang working with power on the positive and negative rails. Especially with metal tools; 750 volts packs a mean punch.
There are photos in the office i work in showing LPTB track workers using tools powered off the traction rails with sort of an upside down pantograph thing. Mad!
PS - 750V is only on 4LM lines. Tube still runs 660v
@@SportyMabamba Actually it's 630 volts. The old southern region BR network used to be 660 volt but it was later increased to 750 volt, which is also used on the merseyrail electrified network which used to be 650 volt in the LYR days. And there also used to be a one off third rail system used on just one line from Bury to Manchester Victoria until august 1991 which was 1200 volt! And that used to arc so bright it got projected right up into the night sky just like an old WW2 searchlight! I know as I used to go down there on winter evenings just to watch it.
@@majorpygge-phartt2643 630v DC with the exception of the Waterloo & City tube line 750v DC
@@paulspeight8398 That's right, because it used to be third rail only when it was operated by british rail. And isn't at least part of the metropolitan line 750 volt too? I seem to remember reading that somewhere, it must cause all manner of compatibility problems with the trains, but then again they all have their own depots and don't they usually stay on their own lines?
@@majorpygge-phartt2643 Been years since I was driver on LT left in 1980 to work on B.R so some information might be out of date? All new LT trains are designed for 750v dc operation but still operate at 630v (postive rail carries upto 420v above earth & the negative 210v below earth) 750V they would just go a little faster, Problem at the time? Was some escalators & lifts ran from the 630v traction current so you can guess what happens at 750vThe metroplitan line north of Harrow - Amersham - Watford - Chesham operates on 750v (a GOOD A60 would touch close to 75mph but most would be around 68mph)
Track work on a live rail ! With trains running ! Worse still no fluoro vests. 😳
In those days you could hear a train from a long way off and moved out of the way in plenty of time, but as trains got quieter, vests became necessary so you could be seen by the train drivers from a longer way off
Hi vis vests hadn't been invented then.
I normally fall down staircases
I normally fall down
Ruddy silly chap! How careless of him!
We call this a Health and Safety Information video these days....
9:55 is that an e2 with extended side tanks?
Edit: nvm a later shot shows the engine with visible pistons.
The workmen stp long ovr the tarcks, despite the narrator complimenting the tehnician for stepping short.
I hate Health and Safety ok be safe but Never NEVER
PUT YOU BLOODY BODY PARTS, TOOLS ETC BETWEEN THE LIVE RAIL AND RUNNING RAIL NOR UNDERNEATH IT WHEN PROVIDING JUICE
This is actually from 1954, it's called "safety on the track".
Lovely trench coat!!!!!!!!
I can hardly believe what that bloke's doing, sticking his foot in between the positive rail and the running rail next to it, what INSANITY! I once saw a much more recent training film by the london underground where a group of trainee women guards were being trained to step over the live tracks safely, first with a dead dummy track section and then the real thing with it live, and they had to step over BOTH positive and nearest running rails as if they were one, far safer! And that was in the daytime in dry bright weather, it's a lot more deadly at night when it's pitch black, and it's raining or there's ice etc. or in a tunnel...
How different health and safety standards was back then.
@MusicalElitist1 moron means carrot dipshit
Would not like to try crossings on a wet day
Surely no workers would be allowed to work with a live rail these days.
As long as proper equipment and procedures are used there's not a problem. It's when people are careless that issues arise.
erm does this guy know what the difference between the 6' and 10' is?
Makes you wonder how many died over the years with this disregard for h&s
Why do you think HASAW was brought in..?
I think the average death toll on the railways was about 1 or 2 workers a week at the time this was made.
@@dkbmaestrorules and people call modern methods out for saving lives....
Wot no Hivi's!!
How safe is a lookout blowing something that looks like a NYE horn while the noise of a train drowns him out.
He blows the horn or whistle before the train gets near. He's looking out for trains approaching, hence he's called a "look-out".
No Health and Safety Law in those days.
We used to have something called common sense. Alas, it's now dead, killed off by "it's not my fault" and "I'm entitled".
A lot has changed since then 😂
Modern 'elf n safety, would have a blue fit..
MusicalElitist1 Extreme response.
@MusicalElitist1 As an american, I am confused. In the UK do you normally swear at others?
@MusicalElitist1 have you calmed down now mate?
P.s I'm 62. Not quite old yet!
@@TheDankEngineer Only if they're total mindless, chav type mongs.
Now had they been wearing HiViz jackets all of these people would have been safe!
THE CESS BRAD PITTS BROTHER
This video seems oddly American.
Loose clothes might get caught up in passing trains which would be very unpleasantness says . No high viz clothing and working on live rails
What's high vis gonna do? Give the train a steering wheel?
@@pwhnckexstflajizdryvombqug9042 no but enables the driver to see them easier
PPE????
It hadn't been invented and it doesn't protect people from their own carelessness.
American here. I had to pass a Rule 99 exam before I could perform flagman's duties.
With care and common sense. Were all doomed !!!!!!
I THOUGHT A CESS WAS BRAD PITS BROTHER
omg thomas the tank engine
Twat
who is that engine
KA. 03 NG 2800?
Pretty sure they had invented rubber back then!!! - why not use insulated shovels and cloathing?
You can say that again…this must be north of London,we were a bit better off in the south..
West London. Mostly between Northfields and South Ealing. I guess the Northfields depot was useful for materials.
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