In our childhood we used to visit our nana in London quite regularly by train. First we get on the a60 Metropolitan from Watford where we used to live, then change for the c69/c77 from Baker Street on the circle line. I have fond memories of our child hood on the old Circle line trains. I remember sitting at the far end near the drivers cab door, you’d be virtually sitting on top of the bogey with the traction motor. Me and my brother used to love sitting in the motorcar for that purpose listening to that unique sound of the C69/C77. Me and my brother nicknamed those trains “The aah train” because they kind of sounded like human voices in Harmony like a choir so we used to go aaaaaah with the motors as it accelerated from the station, we must of had some stares from people 🤣 Thank you for making this well put together film of the classic C stock trains.
I used to visit my Nan and Aunt in Hornchurch. We used to travel from Richmond on the district line. From 1984-86. What a long journey it was!! That would have been on C stock trains I would have thought??
Oh, my beloved C stock! I got so excited when I saw the thumbnail, and I enjoyed every second of this beautiful video. These were my favourite subsurface stock, no doubt about it! So aesthetic with those two little headlights reminding the deep-level 1967 stock and variants, the rounded ceiling perfectly combined with a rather more squared car body and with delightful sound, specially the doors opening or closing. S stock, well is also nice, but doesn’t have the same charm as the C stock had… I understand trains were almost 44 years old when retired, and that LU wanted to standardise the subsurface fleet, but London did lost beautiful trains back in 2014! And in that matter, it really saddens me that no complete train set were preserved! So now, 6 years later after the last run, there are nothing more to say other than saying thanks to citytransportinfo for sharing with us his video memories of these remarkable machines!
RIP 1967 Stock On The Victoria Line, A60/62 Stock On Metropolitan Line & East London Line, C69/77 Stock On The Circle Line, District Line (Edgware Road - Wimbledon Branch) & Hammersmith & City Line & D Stock On The District Line
I so loved traveling on the C69/C77 Stock trains! Loved the sound of the trains too. I miss so much traveling on them😕 They will always be my favorite underground trains🤗
I miss A Stock trains the most. Those huge comfy seats you could just curl up on in a snuggley coat when going far west on a quiet Sunday afternoon or evening...
The fact that they didn't preserve the C and A Stock like they did with the 38 stock is Bullshit. All of their old stock deserves to be preserved for it's history.
The stated reasons include a lack of money to maintain the trains in working order and to build / afford a place to keep them. The A stock trains also had asbestos in them - which was seen as a problem and explained why none were allowed to be saved by private transport societies.
The C stock entered service in 1969 because one of my friends went on them from Aldgate East back in the 1960's although he was blind he could tell by the traction motor that it was a C stock.
These legendary trains were my childhood, exactly like the D78 Stock but I prefer that rolling stock more, as I rode the unpainted version of those trains and that they lasted longer in service before withdrawal
As for me, the best train model ever in London Tube is C stock. I went on them when I was a kid! I love and miss this trains. Thank you for a good adventure to the past!
I hope that a C-Stock and D-Stock DM are preserved at the LTM. While I did travel on C-Stocks a few times, I was unfortunately too young to remember them well, me being just 9 at the time the last ones were removed from service. However what little memories of the C-Stocks that I do have are fond, as are my more recent and fresh memories of the D-Stock.
The C Stock, which operateed on the Circle, District (Wimbledon to Edgware Road) and Metropolitan line Hammersmith to Barking (now the Hammersmith and City line since 1990)
It didn’t operate on the metropolitan line the A stock did. And it’s not identified as a District Line train simply because of how rare it actually was for it to actually operate on it. The C stock was built specifically for the Circle Line which is why its interior was yellow. Though it was also added to the Hammersmith and City line as well. It was only added a small part of the District Line for when the D Stock was ever out of service/not working. Same case with the Metropolitan Line and the A Stock. It was only added to the Metropolitan Line when the A Stock was out of service/not working.
All hail The Little Met. C69 / 77 easily in the hall of fame, easily the best ever LT trains never to be beaten. Gone but never forgotten. A magical time.
Thoroughly enjoyed this video, the sound of the C stock was lovely, use to love hearing them from the snooker room at Shepherds Bush bus garage where they ran right behind the wall leaving Goldhawk Road Station.... Preferred their original interiors with the blue seating and almost cabin like seating arrangement...
Rare to see the C Stock at Uxbridge, as part of the rail tour before it was officially retired from service. Was it a subsurface version of the 1967, 1972mk1 and mk2 stock?
@@ChoobChoob Interesting thought, but...the question is: who would want subway cars built like the ones for New York? Because they're super-heavyweights, and they're constructed like battleships. The St. Louis Car Company, who built the 400 R-42 subway cars, wasn't known for licensing its technology to other countries, unlike Budd and Pullman-Standard, who did. Nor did St. Louis have any interest in foreign designs - I doubt they would have gone to Europe for ideas. Their products simply did not reflect that. Maybe someone at the NYCTA communicated with someone at LU, and shared design drawings. In fact, I recall reading that the Chairman of the NYCTA (whose last name was Ronan) went to London to inspect the new trains for the Victoria line at the time it opened, or right before. So maybe the two systems did compare designs for their trains in the late 60's/early 70s.
They would have been withdrawn even if the East London Line was still part of the Underground. They would have ordered more S stocks if that was the case
Real shame that the C-Stocks have disappeared and have gone forever to be scrapped. Whilst some have been preserved. Since the S7 Stocks came into service in 2016 that replaced the C-Stocks on the Circle, District and Hammersmith & City Lines.
I'm.guessing it is cost effective and cheaper for TfL to have the S Stock operate on the Hammersmith and City, Metropolitan, District and Circle lines rather than 3 or 4 different subsurface Stock trains doing that.
Great video, some fascinating footage (including Mansion House at 3:44 with natural light!). I have to say I wasn't a fan of the C stock, especially before they were refurbished, the film shows how shabby they looked in the late 80s before refurbishment, they were noisy and uncomfortable...
I'm assuming that the Wimbledon to Edgware Road route, was severely disrupted or weekend engineering works going on and so it was diverted to go to either Richmond or Ealing Broadway, hence why it was serving at Barons Court. It did serve other parts of the District Line when needed but on rare occasions.
I find Sarah Parnell sounding better on the C stock than on the S stock and 2009 stock as she doesn't sound that robotic compared to being on the S and 09 stocks.
@Raymond Cai yes the Bakerloo line does get a bit neglected, I do like the 1972 Mk2 stock but it’s not my favourite although it is a great train for its age.
new trains are planned for the Bakerloo line too, as part of an purchase of new trains for the Piccadilly and Central lines - and probably the Waterloo & City line
i notice their has'nt been a D Stock memories video yet. I can imagne what that would be like - not very much considering nothing much changed with the D stock
Yes it was rare but alas I do not remember why it was there possibilities include weekend engineering works and a train from the Edgware Road - Wimbledon service that was diverted to Richmond because of problems somewhere else on the District line
@@CitytransportInfoplus due to disruption or weekend engineering works on the Wimbledon to Edgware Road route, it was diverted to help out and serve other routes of the District Line to either Richmond or Ealing Broadway. I have also seen it at Kensington Olympia.
The fact that no element of Montreal's (initial) MR-63 (matériel roulant?) fleet was kept still signifies cruel audacity, coming from the world's first corporately airportish underground network if you will
If only the C-Stocks were kept and converted into Diesel-Electric multiple units or Battery-Electric multiple units. Just like the D78 Stocks that were converted into Class 230 and Island Line Class 484 that Vivarail have brought when the S7 Stocks replaced them on the Circle, District and Hammersmith & City Lines and S8 Stocks on the Metropolitan Line.
@citytransportinfo 0:16 You' re not right. The Last C stock train was withdrawn from service on the 3rd of June 2014. ;). Greetings from London Underground fan from Warsaw, Poland :D
Do you know by any chance if there's a way to visit C stock. Y'know how they kept a model of the Pacer train in Shildon, UK. Is there like a C Stock train anywhere up for people to look at somewhere?
mostly this was because the black roof trains were built at a different time to the white roof trains - I do not know why it was decided that the later batch of trains (built circa 1977) should have a different roof colour
Eventually yes, probably... *a combined 1967 / 1972 tube stock film when the Bakerloo line trains have been replaced *1973 ts film for the Piccadilly line and *D stock when more places have started using the Vivarail trains - but I will only be able to travel to the places that use these when the covid situation is not too severe. As I carer for aged relatives I have to think of them too.
@@CitytransportInfoplus 72 stock probably will still be in service when you are 72. 73 stock won’t go out until the late 2020s. D stock will probably be the soonest.
quite possibly it was designed by a committee which included London Transport people and people from the company that built the trains. Perhaps the book 'steam to silver' will have the information you seek.
I think the Jubilee line 1996 tube stock trains are capable of 75mph but there are no journeys long enough to let them reach that speed. They often travel quite fast when going from West Ham to Canning Town. Technically the A, C, D and S stock trains were / are not tube trains because they would not fit in the small profile deep level tube train tunnels. Instead they are Subsurface trains, as most of the tunnels they use(d) were dug as cut'n'cover tunnels just below the surface, and were on routes originally used by steam trains.
So in the UK, they don't require "Oversize load" signs on lorries (or trucks as we call them in America) even if they're carrying something as big as a train carriage?
I am not an expert on the laws but I think they do - and sometimes a police escort is needed too, but given that they are built to be suitable for tunnels London Underground train cars are not 'exceptionally' large.
I thought these were awful, worse than the 1983 stock and nowhere near as good as the A60 stock trains on the Metropolitan line. Terribly slow and uncomfortable and artic in winter
You make an very interesting comment, because (at times) I also felt that way. I think its partly because the S stock trains are quieter, and also because the S stock had their performance capped - although that was only a short-term measure until the routes they serve are converted to fully automated operation. I wish I had used a stop watch on a C stock train so that I could now compare it was an S stock train - for instance from Stepney Green to Mile End, where trains often travel faster.
The S stock are faster overall, despite being performance limited in acceleration, however the C stock were quicker off the mark. The real difference starts to kick in over 30mph. Also the brakes on the S stock are much more responsive
The C stock, along with it's little brother, the 72 Tube Stock, were the crappiest trains to drive. A little drop of rain, and the wheels spun up, and caused the motors to 'drop out'. The brakes would easily lock up in the wet, causing 'flats' on the wheels, and the rheostatic brake only worked if it wanted to. The ride on these trains, in comparison to older and newer stock, was atrocious. I hated working on these with a vengeance when I was on the District line. The later D stock was FAR superior in every way, and was a pleasure to drive. Even the much older CO/CP and R stocks were nicer to drive than this crap.
Agree with the 72s only ever did gd/mm training on CStock. With 72s on the northern on a wet days I’d often use the westy in the wet, Wheelspin seemed worst at East Putney on the Westbound. One of the good things about opo for me was being displaced to Morden
Montrealers gawp or panic should the lighting ever happen to momentarily dim or burn out while traveling underground, because such faultiness doesn't factor into either design or operations.
@@Crazydaboi C Stock also operated on the District line to/from Edgware Road because of short platforms not being able to fully accommodate the D Stock
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In our childhood we used to visit our nana in London quite regularly by train. First we get on the a60 Metropolitan from Watford where we used to live, then change for the c69/c77 from Baker Street on the circle line. I have fond memories of our child hood on the old Circle line trains. I remember sitting at the far end near the drivers cab door, you’d be virtually sitting on top of the bogey with the traction motor. Me and my brother used to love sitting in the motorcar for that purpose listening to that unique sound of the C69/C77. Me and my brother nicknamed those trains “The aah train” because they kind of sounded like human voices in Harmony like a choir so we used to go aaaaaah with the motors as it accelerated from the station, we must of had some stares from people 🤣 Thank you for making this well put together film of the classic C stock trains.
I used to visit my Nan and Aunt in Hornchurch. We used to travel from Richmond on the district line. From 1984-86. What a long journey it was!! That would have been on C stock trains I would have thought??
@@mrkipling2201 no that would've been on the D78 Stock
@@Sean-D78 thanks for the info, I really wasn’t sure what stock it would have been. Very interesting. 👍👍
@@mrkipling2201 No problem
Oh, my beloved C stock! I got so excited when I saw the thumbnail, and I enjoyed every second of this beautiful video.
These were my favourite subsurface stock, no doubt about it! So aesthetic with those two little headlights reminding the deep-level 1967 stock and variants, the rounded ceiling perfectly combined with a rather more squared car body and with delightful sound, specially the doors opening or closing. S stock, well is also nice, but doesn’t have the same charm as the C stock had…
I understand trains were almost 44 years old when retired, and that LU wanted to standardise the subsurface fleet, but London did lost beautiful trains back in 2014! And in that matter, it really saddens me that no complete train set were preserved!
So now, 6 years later after the last run, there are nothing more to say other than saying thanks to citytransportinfo for sharing with us his video memories of these remarkable machines!
My childhood! I loved the sounds and announcements
RIP 1967 Stock On The Victoria Line, A60/62 Stock On Metropolitan Line & East London Line, C69/77 Stock On The Circle Line, District Line (Edgware Road - Wimbledon Branch) & Hammersmith & City Line & D Stock On The District Line
It was sad when the C stock was withdrawn its an iconic train in London underground's history.
I so loved traveling on the C69/C77 Stock trains! Loved the sound of the trains too. I miss so much traveling on them😕 They will always be my favorite underground trains🤗
I miss A Stock trains the most. Those huge comfy seats you could just curl up on in a snuggley coat when going far west on a quiet Sunday afternoon or evening...
The A stock trains were of different era - they had proper upholstered seats, with metal springs.
@@CitytransportInfoplus like the bakerloo line... It's funny watching people bobbing up and down but with a straight face lol
And they ran Metropolitan line fast and semi fast services all day, everyday
The fact that they didn't preserve the C and A Stock like they did with the 38 stock is Bullshit. All of their old stock deserves to be preserved for it's history.
they both have been preserved, they're both at the Acton Museum depot
The stated reasons include a lack of money to maintain the trains in working order and to build / afford a place to keep them. The A stock trains also had asbestos in them - which was seen as a problem and explained why none were allowed to be saved by private transport societies.
I prefer the motor sounds pre refurbished. Were the motor sounds changed post refurbished? They sound different.
The C stock entered service in 1969 because one of my friends went on them from Aldgate East back in the 1960's although he was blind he could tell by the traction motor that it was a C stock.
Nobody cares
@@sebzpg Why so salty
@@sebzpg THATS IT!, now I'm gonna burst your fart 🤪
These legendary trains were my childhood, exactly like the D78 Stock but I prefer that rolling stock more, as I rode the unpainted version of those trains and that they lasted longer in service before withdrawal
always loved the sound of the doors on these bois
As for me, the best train model ever in London Tube is C stock. I went on them when I was a kid! I love and miss this trains. Thank you for a good adventure to the past!
Childhood trains, please take me back now to when London had character 😭
I hope that a C-Stock and D-Stock DM are preserved at the LTM. While I did travel on C-Stocks a few times, I was unfortunately too young to remember them well, me being just 9 at the time the last ones were removed from service. However what little memories of the C-Stocks that I do have are fond, as are my more recent and fresh memories of the D-Stock.
The C Stock, which operateed on the Circle, District (Wimbledon to Edgware Road) and Metropolitan line Hammersmith to Barking (now the Hammersmith and City line since 1990)
It didn’t operate on the metropolitan line the A stock did. And it’s not identified as a District Line train simply because of how rare it actually was for it to actually operate on it. The C stock was built specifically for the Circle Line which is why its interior was yellow. Though it was also added to the Hammersmith and City line as well. It was only added a small part of the District Line for when the D Stock was ever out of service/not working. Same case with the Metropolitan Line and the A Stock. It was only added to the Metropolitan Line when the A Stock was out of service/not working.
I remember commuting on those as well as CO/CP and R stock in and out of Parsons Green 🍸
Excellent video, nice trip down memory lane for the C stock. I wish these London Underground train were still in some use like the D Stock.
These jolly ol' Trains. They look sooo aesthetic. I from overseas but these were really memorable.
Based on the motor soundings and the overall shape, I believe Hong Kong MTR's Metro Cammell M-Train is a distant relative of the C stock trains.
All hail The Little Met. C69 / 77 easily in the hall of fame, easily the best ever LT trains never to be beaten. Gone but never forgotten. A magical time.
the former section of the Metropolitan line between Hammersmith and Barking, now the Hammersmith and City line.
Thoroughly enjoyed this video, the sound of the C stock was lovely, use to love hearing them from the snooker room at Shepherds Bush bus garage where they ran right behind the wall leaving Goldhawk Road Station.... Preferred their original interiors with the blue seating and almost cabin like seating arrangement...
I don't remember ever hearing their motors strained, whereas there are plenty of instances recorded here during accelerations.
Why weren’t the S trains designed with 4 doors? The S stock doors are further apart than the C and D stock (and had more doors)
8:44 First time I’ve see an in-car zone-based ticketing route map, when the Hammersmith and City Line was still part of the Metropolitan Line.
those ones only lasted about 6 months
All hail the C-Stock, beautiful subway cars, with only 2 left.
I really miss the c stock ):
That C stock looks magnificent
The C Stock only ever looked magnificent prior to their refurbishment when they had old interiors and unpainted aluminium bodies
Didn’t the C stocks ever work the Amersham Met fasts? I’m sure they did at one time only due to disruption or something
Amazing.
5:42 blimey a clean one!
Rare to see the C Stock at Uxbridge, as part of the rail tour before it was officially retired from service. Was it a subsurface version of the 1967, 1972mk1 and mk2 stock?
Lovely trains these were.
I miss these
To me, the C stock is London’s version of New York’s R-42.
It wouldn't surprise me if they both used the same structural design through licensing.
@@ChoobChoob Interesting thought, but...the question is: who would want subway cars built like the ones for New York? Because they're super-heavyweights, and they're constructed like battleships. The St. Louis Car Company, who built the 400 R-42 subway cars, wasn't known for licensing its technology to other countries, unlike Budd and Pullman-Standard, who did. Nor did St. Louis have any interest in foreign designs - I doubt they would have gone to Europe for ideas. Their products simply did not reflect that. Maybe someone at the NYCTA communicated with someone at LU, and shared design drawings. In fact, I recall reading that the Chairman of the NYCTA (whose last name was Ronan) went to London to inspect the new trains for the Victoria line at the time it opened, or right before. So maybe the two systems did compare designs for their trains in the late 60's/early 70s.
I think they should have operated on the East London line as a 4 car unit, who agrees?
What benefit would 40-50 year old trains bring to the Overground?
@@rabd9881 I meant when the East London line was still part of the Tube and C69/77s were still running.
They would have been withdrawn even if the East London Line was still part of the Underground. They would have ordered more S stocks if that was the case
Real shame that the C-Stocks have disappeared and have gone forever to be scrapped. Whilst some have been preserved. Since the S7 Stocks came into service in 2016 that replaced the C-Stocks on the Circle, District and Hammersmith & City Lines.
I'm.guessing it is cost effective and cheaper for TfL to have the S Stock operate on the Hammersmith and City, Metropolitan, District and Circle lines rather than 3 or 4 different subsurface Stock trains doing that.
Great video, some fascinating footage (including Mansion House at 3:44 with natural light!). I have to say I wasn't a fan of the C stock, especially before they were refurbished, the film shows how shabby they looked in the late 80s before refurbishment, they were noisy and uncomfortable...
0:00 , The next station is Hammersmith. District and Piccadilly Lines operate from a different station across the world 💀 😂
Thanks for sharing :)♥️🌹very beautiful + interesting❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
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I agree
Love the trip down memory lane, Happy Xmas and New Year to you. 😎
You simply can't escape the NSE Benches 3:05
Great video. ☺️
Thank you :-)
@@CitytransportInfoplus Ur welcome. ☺️
Are there any c stocks left??, plus I think they are the best looking stock,better than d stock
No
There are no C-Stocks running on the circle line anymore (as stated in the video), but there is still a preserved C-Stock being held in LTM Acton
@@Daniel-0093 thanks for telling me
I MISS IT!!! Even tho I never rode have been on the underground. I just rlly like it
Great video with interesting films and descriptions!
Thank you! :)
Thank you for watching and commenting
nostalgic c stock! you always be my favorite train :)
I'm assuming that the Wimbledon to Edgware Road route, was severely disrupted or weekend engineering works going on and so it was diverted to go to either Richmond or Ealing Broadway, hence why it was serving at Barons Court.
It did serve other parts of the District Line when needed but on rare occasions.
yes, very possible but I'm sorry to say that the exact reason is lost in the mists of time.
I find Sarah Parnell sounding better on the C stock than on the S stock and 2009 stock as she doesn't sound that robotic compared to being on the S and 09 stocks.
I prefer the S over the C announcement
@@mudchute4dlr they're the same announcer
@@Great_WesternTVFan yeah ik
Did you really film all these? Wow
I went on It while I was little i miss it :(
3/4 gone now C, D, A stock all gone next up 1973 Piccadilly line stock. My favourites are now in the great siding in the sky.
@Raymond Cai yes the Bakerloo line does get a bit neglected, I do like the 1972 Mk2 stock but it’s not my favourite although it is a great train for its age.
new trains are planned for the Bakerloo line too, as part of an purchase of new trains for the Piccadilly and Central lines - and probably the Waterloo & City line
i notice their has'nt been a D Stock memories video yet.
I can imagne what that would be like - not very much considering nothing much changed with the D stock
I am waiting for more Vivarail services using refurbished D stock to commence. I think the D stock memories film will come in 2022.
@@CitytransportInfoplusupdate?
It was indeed rare to see C69/C77 stock at Barons Court? Why was it there? Was it providing a special one off District line service?
Yes it was rare but alas I do not remember why it was there
possibilities include weekend engineering works and a train from the Edgware Road - Wimbledon service that was diverted to Richmond because of problems somewhere else on the District line
@@CitytransportInfoplus due to disruption or weekend engineering works on the Wimbledon to Edgware Road route, it was diverted to help out and serve other routes of the District Line to either Richmond or Ealing Broadway. I have also seen it at Kensington Olympia.
Circle Line C Tube Stock
The fact that no element of Montreal's (initial) MR-63 (matériel roulant?) fleet was kept still signifies cruel audacity, coming from the world's first corporately airportish underground network if you will
I Like it ❤❤❤❤and good 😊
Thank you! :-) Also thanks for watching.
If only the C-Stocks were kept and converted into Diesel-Electric multiple units or Battery-Electric multiple units. Just like the D78 Stocks that were converted into Class 230 and Island Line Class 484 that Vivarail have brought when the S7 Stocks replaced them on the Circle, District and Hammersmith & City Lines and S8 Stocks on the Metropolitan Line.
True, they need to do the same thing with the A stock
@@jerzyk3520 You Can Still Sometimes See The A Stock Rail Adhesion Trains
The Hammersmith to Barking part of the Metropolitan which is now the Hammersmith and City line since 1990
Yes, although historically the situation was different.
some of us were there when it happened mate!
Hammersmith & City Line C Tube Stock
@citytransportinfo 0:16 You' re not right. The Last C stock train was withdrawn from service on the 3rd of June 2014. ;).
Greetings from London Underground fan from Warsaw, Poland :D
The C stock was withdrawn from public service he means. As this was a tour that costs money.
Do you know by any chance if there's a way to visit C stock. Y'know how they kept a model of the Pacer train in Shildon, UK. Is there like a C Stock train anywhere up for people to look at somewhere?
Yes, London Transport Museum Acton Depot has a C stock DM. But whilst it can be seen I am unsure if people are allowed to enter it.
9:01 Thats a colour combination you do see that much/at all these days
Aluminium made the white not look white.
Amazing video! I would like to know why there are some C stocks have white roof and some have black roof? Does sunlight reflection is the main reason?
mostly this was because the black roof trains were built at a different time to the white roof trains - I do not know why it was decided that the later batch of trains (built circa 1977) should have a different roof colour
Do you plan on doing one for the D or 1967 stock? Maybe the 73 stock when it goes out.
Eventually yes, probably...
*a combined 1967 / 1972 tube stock film when the Bakerloo line trains have been replaced
*1973 ts film for the Piccadilly line and
*D stock when more places have started using the Vivarail trains - but I will only be able to travel to the places that use these when the covid situation is not too severe. As I carer for aged relatives I have to think of them too.
@@CitytransportInfoplus The 72s might not go until the 40s...
@@jonah6404 hypocrisy
@@Great_WesternTVFan Have you heard of TFL budget cuts?...
@@CitytransportInfoplus 72 stock probably will still be in service when you are 72. 73 stock won’t go out until the late 2020s. D stock will probably be the soonest.
Would somebody please remind me what louvre, duct that out-of-sight lever labelled "Closed" at 9:00 must've operated?
Ventilation - which only really worked well when the train was travelling. This was an alternative to having opening windows.
@@CitytransportInfoplus right, but where were the ducts or, e,g., might they have ever leaked? you see, I used to know..all them decades ago . . .
I miss c stock
Traction motors of Montrealer and European metros sang whereas N American ones - particularly *Rotton-Ø's* fleets - had weak and thus silent motors.
Nice
Maybe in stock C’s train in 1970 interior and it looks like class 508
Metropolitan Line C Tube Stock
Its circle, district and Hammersmith& city lines not metropolitan line
@@jerzyk3520 It was the Hammersmith to Barking section of the Metropolitan line until 1990, now the Hammersmith and City Line after then.
Does anyone know the name of the engineer who designed these trains?
quite possibly it was designed by a committee which included London Transport people and people from the company that built the trains. Perhaps the book 'steam to silver' will have the information you seek.
more likely it would have been a "team" than just one person
@@danwoodhouse9290 Yes, but it probably would have had a head engineer or project manager.
Never really understood why there were 4 doors per carriage on these trains. It just made the capacity awful.
Although some people find the c stock in bad shape, I still find them better than the A stock, which in my opinion they are in a much worser condition
I think the A stock was allowed to deteriorate far more than the C stock - especially when looking at the outside
i'm wondering which tube train is capable of going the fastest. anyone know?
I think its the A stock, which operated on the Metropolitan Line from 1961 to 2012. I am pretty sure they have a top speed of 70 mph.
@@portlandbusfan im pretty sure the new victoria line is quite fast too dont you think?
@@usmankalooji3227 Hmm, they are quite fast. Maybe take a look on google?
@@usmankalooji3227 just fast acceleration. They're limited to 50 mph.
I think the Jubilee line 1996 tube stock trains are capable of 75mph but there are no journeys long enough to let them reach that speed. They often travel quite fast when going from West Ham to Canning Town.
Technically the A, C, D and S stock trains were / are not tube trains because they would not fit in the small profile deep level tube train tunnels. Instead they are Subsurface trains, as most of the tunnels they use(d) were dug as cut'n'cover tunnels just below the surface, and were on routes originally used by steam trains.
Is the d stock next?
Sorry but not yet as I wish to include the Vivarail converted trains and so far only one of the services is running
So in the UK, they don't require "Oversize load" signs on lorries (or trucks as we call them in America) even if they're carrying something as big as a train carriage?
I am not an expert on the laws but I think they do - and sometimes a police escort is needed too, but given that they are built to be suitable for tunnels London Underground train cars are not 'exceptionally' large.
Maybe it’s not looking like a class 508
I thought these were awful, worse than the 1983 stock and nowhere near as good as the A60 stock trains on the Metropolitan line. Terribly slow and uncomfortable and artic in winter
Agreed! They were also on a different planet to the District Line D-Stock trains, which were wonderful.
Wrong, Wrong, Wrong. The C Stock is Easily One Of The Best London Underground Trains.
2:27 Arrow showing you where it is
yes, to make it easier to see
RIP TO C Stock TBH I think these were faster than the s stock in my opinion
You make an very interesting comment, because (at times) I also felt that way. I think its partly because the S stock trains are quieter, and also because the S stock had their performance capped - although that was only a short-term measure until the routes they serve are converted to fully automated operation.
I wish I had used a stop watch on a C stock train so that I could now compare it was an S stock train - for instance from Stepney Green to Mile End, where trains often travel faster.
The S stock are faster overall, despite being performance limited in acceleration, however the C stock were quicker off the mark. The real difference starts to kick in over 30mph. Also the brakes on the S stock are much more responsive
The C stock, along with it's little brother, the 72 Tube Stock, were the crappiest trains to drive. A little drop of rain, and the wheels spun up, and caused the motors to 'drop out'. The brakes would easily lock up in the wet, causing 'flats' on the wheels, and the rheostatic brake only worked if it wanted to. The ride on these trains, in comparison to older and newer stock, was atrocious. I hated working on these with a vengeance when I was on the District line. The later D stock was FAR superior in every way, and was a pleasure to drive. Even the much older CO/CP and R stocks were nicer to drive than this crap.
Agree with the 72s only ever did gd/mm training on CStock. With 72s on the northern on a wet days I’d often use the westy in the wet, Wheelspin seemed worst at East Putney on the Westbound. One of the good things about opo for me was being displaced to Morden
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They were so rubbish they were good.
13:33 the days of letter writing!
Je suis pas un peu
I so hated the Circle Line. Mind you, it doesn't seem to have improved much since the new stock was introduced.
Its been extended to Hammersmith, what more do you want?
@@danwoodhouse9290 I mean improved in reliability. And extending it to Hammersmith has hardly helped there
Montrealers gawp or panic should the lighting ever happen to momentarily dim or burn out while traveling underground, because such faultiness doesn't factor into either design or operations.
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The interior pictures are a good reminder of just how drearily unattractive and worn-out and graffitied they were before refurbishing.
Ah the c stock train yes full of memories
Memories of graffiti beer cans on the floor dirty seats and the horrible smell......
...oh and being too hot in the summer (with insufficient ventilation making a difficult situation even worse) and too cold in the winter
C stock? more like crap stock
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@@harryfoley2294 heard of opinions?
@@posttowersucksbigblackcoff6419 I have, and I’d like to know why you dislike them
@@harryfoley2294 they were loud slow and crap
@@harryfoley2294 i prefer the a and d stock
District Line C Tube Stock
Nah really?
@@jerzyk3520 yes it really didn't have a guard area
Bro i knew it that it’s district line i just said nah really to annoy him
I thought district line had D stock?
@@Crazydaboi C Stock also operated on the District line to/from Edgware Road because of short platforms not being able to fully accommodate the D Stock