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That time Disney (almost) made their own Bandersnatch
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 มิ.ย. 2019
- I swear this isn't clickbait.
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"Imagine you're Disney CEO Michael Eisner" as a Defunctland watcher, I recoiled
*Euro Disney flashbacks*
@@Edge_Boye I don't understand any of these references
@@mihailmilev9909 look up defunctland Micheal Eisner on TH-cam
@@Edge_Boye ok thanks lol
😂😂😂 so glad this comment exists
It's been 3 years, I don't feel like Bandersnatch made lasting effects....am I wrong?
I goofed this prediction lmao. Shoutout Netflix for trying one big tech demo and bailing after it underperforms
I was wondering how many other shows they'd made interactive, 17. The whole list fits on the "what is an interactive tv show" help page...
an interesting time piece nonetheless. I don't think any of us could have predicted what would happen within a year lol
@@BobbyBroccoli I do not think that creatives are too hot on the idea of producing interactive stories. It is hard enough to get one storyline right. Unless you are David Cage and utterly full of yourself.
To be fair, I think part of the problem was that Bandersnatch was just so good at doing this concept that nothing else could ever come along and do it just as well; so it's just been left alone as an idea. Apart from Carmen Sandiego, of course.
Robert Cauliflower, this is a legitimately excellent video
its a terribly underseen video
I agree Jake Geller
Should be Robert Brassica 😛
between this and defunctland there is no escape from michael eisner
I've been waiting for this comment
😂😂 phenomenal addition
now im imagining someone making a creepypasta game that takes place on a DVD menu
This is amazing, if no one has done this they absolutely should.
I worked in DVD special features development with a specialization in DVD-Video games. I specifically worked on the Madagascar DVD game example you show in the video!
The company I worked with made DVD Video games for dozens of titles for all of the major studios. Lots of interesting things were possible, and DVD menus had robust game scripting capabilities, but compatibility was constantly an issue.
Could you go into more detail?
Please do an AMA
I'd love to hear more about the process ❤
Bandersnatch immediately made me think of all those FMV games from the 90s. Game devs got drunk on power when they suddenly had a CD worth of space to put a whole game on.
Yeah, basically the same impact too. Nobody continued the bandersnatch progress
All I thought of was Benedict.
@@SECONDQUEST If you consider motion capture a form of FMV, it's used alllllll the time.
@@weirdofromhalo why would you consider that
Coming off of your more recent editorials, I was not expecting a BDG Unhinged style breakdown of a dvd special feature of a straight to home video Disney show.
I'm really really glad I subscribed.
From what I remember, the DVD of 'Emperor's New Groove' had a game similar to this and, looking it up on the fandom wiki, it seems to have come out at least 1 year before that Tarzan DVD (May 1st, 2001)
If you want to talk to someone who worked on the Tarzan DVD extras at Disney, you'll want to ask animators who used to work at Disney Australia, which is where the direct-to-video animation for Disney moved after Eisner shut down the animation studio in Orlando. The animation industry has a lot of churn, so you could easily find someone who is no longer at Disney. I say this three years later and have no idea if it'll be worth looking into but as an animation fan i really appreciated your coverage of this forgotten piece of Disney alternative media.
This is definitely my 3rd favorite video essay on Bandersnatch-esque DVD features for jungle-related Disney properties.
Is another about the Emperor's new groove one?
I'm starting to think this bold prediction won't shake out
I gave up long ago haha
@@BobbyBroccoli you're content is still the best tho
Its been nearly a Year good to have u back Bobby.
Ah I wish these did take off. But then again, visual novels still exist. They do these things a lot. And disney had adventure games on their dvds I remember this!
The Kimmy Schmitt and Carmen Sandiego ones were nice though!
Kimmy has one?
bandersnatch truly was a VN for normal English speakers... well its all cutscenes so it's more like Zero Time Dilemma for English speakers...? and i guess all the interactive DVD menu games fall into that category as well lol
kimmy???
omg i can't believe i forgot about that. i never got around to watching (playing?) it. gonna have to do that now
the art of DVD menu design is one of those lost things that makes you think “huh i guess someone would have to devote their time to designing and making that”
I remember when I was a kid my neighbour had a copy of 2 fast 2 furious where you could choose the cars they drove! It completely blew my mind when that kid showed me a scene where vin diesel drove one car and then he went back and chose the other car and vin diesel hopped in the other car!!!
Man the video is cool and about something I've never known about, but interactive fiction has existed way before that, the first Macromedia based "games" were very much on that same choose your own adventure style. Btw, tip from the future, nobody cares about Bandersnatch that much in 2022, although probably the concept will crop up again sometime in the next 5 years to be forgotten, and people will claim it's revolutionary yet again.
Boss Baby Season 1, Episode 4 truly is a banger and thank you for having the courage to say it
Considering your more recent work, I'm loving the theatre kid energy here 🤣
I really liked Bandersnatch. I kinda wish the concept caught on more.
Try to imagine Disney as "risk takers" now lol
bless this video my dude, really good breakdown of the possibilities and challenges inherent to this both creatively and technically 🥦
OKAY SO since a while I've been having flashbacks of this and I searched the whole internet for this and finally found the tarzan and jane DVD which took me so long but I could never find anything about this. THIS has been haunting me for weeks if not months. THANK YOU
Bobby: *Makes in-depth video about Disney*
Me: "OMG IS THAT MUSIC FROM THAT SPONGEBOB GAME? YASSS"
Hahaha! Came into the comments to confirm! I loved that game!
Dude, that abominable snowman choose your our own adventure DVD was something that I had COMPLETELY forgotten about until you showed it in this video and my brain is being nostalgia blasted remembering how I used to play the living shit outta that thing as a kid, hahah
What an insightful video about this... Never heard about it before!
I have to highlight here in a similar vein, the DVD Special Features version of Final Destination 3. This 'Choose Your Fate' version, including a straight-up twist where saving one person reveals that they actually not just harassed people but outright sexually assaulted someone... and even a completely different ending for the movie as a whole.
I never had a blueray or hddvd player. My ps2 is my DVD player. Growing up the computer was our first DVD player and the mummy and the mummy returns were our first dvds
NGL I really enjoyed as a child the interactive menus. As a kid I played basically all the Lion King ones including the special edition versions for like. Every movie. Over and over. It took a while to have my own computer and big kid gaming console after which point they basically became obsolete but they were a lot of fun
Thanks for adding the techy bits for us nerds. I had no idea CDs were micro etched to contain bits. Makes sense
“This video sponsored by my mom and dad’s house” is hilarious lol
This was an interesting video! I actually had an experience with a 'choose your own adventure DVD' that predated this one, from way back in 2000. It was called 'Scourge of Worlds' and was a DnD tie-in. It claims to have 4 endings and 'over 900 story arcs.' Idk what it considers a story arc LMAO, but I do remember it being fairly elaborate for the time. I played through it quite a bit. Thanks for unlocking that buried memory!
I actually did this! I used to make interactive videos in my first year of film school because I was really into FMV noir games like Tex Murphy. Had a lot of fun with it, but absolutely noone was into it. It's not that hard to be honest, the planning takes some time, stitching everything together is a slog but other than that it's not difficult, per se. One of my first jobs was creating DVD menus. In time I started adding little easter eggs and animations. Shame I never tried creating bandersnatch on hairdresser-tutorial dvds.
I worked in a computer shop in Liverpool, from 1982 to 1988, at the time there were many cutting edge software houses in Liverpool. A lot of the kids who worked making games used to hang out in the shop, and became part of the social circle of the store, drinking with us after work, and being invited to our works nights out at Christmas etc. Psyclapse and Bandersnatch were legendary vapourware for years, that often got spoke about by either guys we knew that came to the store, or friends of friends of their who were involved in the games.
The man, the myth, the veggie, BOBBYBROCCOLI
Finally, proof of the Tarzan CYOA game. I’ve been looking everywhere for some footage of it. I thought I had imagined it.
I distinctly remember my DVD copy of Peter Pan 2: Return To Neverland had an entire point-n-click adventure game in its menu where you had to find all the hidden Lost Boys in Captain Hook's Ship, but ALSO not accidentally find the Pirates. It felt stupid hard as a kid. Brother Bear also had a pseudo-game where you took an animated quiz to find out what your spirit totem was, or something. But the Peter Pan one stood out for being a fully 3D rendered environment, not hand-animated.
There was also a very strange period in the early 2000s, where A LOT of DVDs would have hidden menu easter egg inputs, akin to the Konami Code. I'm not making this crap up, this was an ACTUAL thing, and a surprising amount of DVDs had them. I think the most famous example was in the DVD copy of Revenge of the Sith, going into the Options menu and inputting the numbers 11 3 8 on the remote, and it will show you a video of Yoda freestyle dancing to hip hop while four Clone Troopers bob their heads to the beat thug style behind him. If you did the same code for the Star Wars Trilogy Box Set, it would show you outtake bloopers from the original trilogy, Episodes 4, 5 and 6.
I'm just wondering why is there a Christmas tree in June and how did he sound clear when talking when he was moving all about and was no where near the mic for 80% of it
We have that tree up year-round because it fits the decor, and honestly I have no idea how it sounded so good
This was my favorite thing of my childhood, seriously. You could also build a tree house.. You unlocked a new memory for me
Interesting to see this hasn't really exploded yet
Janes friends are so familiar, I must've watched it as a small kid lol
He’s just so handsome…
This video is way better than the title suggests
Wait a MINUTE the voiceover man is hot?
Gross.
6:43
Aaaaaah the modern broccoli bobby
Hey hey hey, buzz lightyear of star command was legitimately cool. I mean, I haven’t watched it since I was 8 but I’m sure it holds up
I wish they had blown up like you said man
when i was a teen i gifted my best friend a cd with my AMVs. i made a custom menu and envelope. needless to say graphic design was my passion :D
dude this is my new fav channel
Got hooked on your new content and I found myself seriously hoping you were cute for no discernable reason (I have problems lol)
And holy FUCK this video blindsided me in the best way 🤣
Also excellent content- would love a little bit of this style of content mixed in with your new style, though I realize that might be impossible
I remember netflix made a carmen sandiego interactive feature, was pretty cool for a special
I could not have imagined you were so energetic and silly 😅
How does this have so few views and likes? This is a really interesting and very well told video!
I..... i have a big crush rn.... great content from a cute intelligent guy..
Loved the sneak peak of the Liu Cixin big book Trilogy, didn't expected it but great surprise xd
you tricked me into Defunctland!
hahaa why do you have a xmas lookin tree up in june :')
you are quickly becoming one of my faves for 2022
"Imagine you Michael Einser"
Don't torture me like that!
I remember the game channels on cable being similar in quality
They should've made Bandersnatch, but with a plot that resembled real-life events at Id Software in the 80/90's with Carmack, Romero and McGee instead.
Definitely dead wrong about interactive movies and shows being about to blow up. That trend died a long time ago.
yeah, not even black mirror tried to do that again
The algorithm favours the bold lmao
I’m rlly glad your back also have you heard of bfbb rehydrated
please tell me the prison tarzan goes to is like, some kind of ape jail
I miss dvd menu games, I loved them
Believe it or not, I feel like FMV games are making a (stealthy) comeback.
9:45 oh hey are you a model aircraft pilot? Howdy, fellow pilot!
I always felt like bandersnatch was more in the middle between a video game and a movie, on par with one of those 2nd person choose your own adventure novels.
8:40 Queen Lah and her leopard men are welcome to seduce me any day :^)
Scooby doo 2 had a creepy dvd game
You messed up the name of the Boss Baby episode, please remove your video and fix it immediately
Thank
Oof some hokey writing here. Especially about a blind person trying to read a book not written in Braille; a better analogy is you trying to read a book written in Finnish - you don't have a physical limitation that prevents you from reading Finnish, but your brain doesn't have the software to parse this language.
How do you make highly interactive DVD-Video that remembers past choices and stuff? Ideally, not with the usual authoring tools. By the end of 2003, portable command line utility 'dvdauthor' had a sufficient feature set for the purpose. You can throw together a toolkit to implement a given type of gameplay based on that in mere weeks.
Ohhhhh surrrrre... Name drop Choose Your Own Adventure: The Abominable Snowman (2006) to tie out this format, but completely blow past the Return to House on Haunted Hill (2007) Play the Movie Your Way mode exclusive to the blu-ray release. Way to just tell us you're in the pocket of Chooseco LLC.
I love the comment of. “Sponsored by mom and dads house, only come here when it’s useful to me.” The best moto to live by when your 18+ and got a dis functional family😂 but hey who to say tho right Mr. Broc😂
15:40 bobby has obviously never read Ulysses
your videos are very good, found them out minutes ago by your periodic table video and i'm impressed how dynamic they are. btw, you're handsome
You mean a choose your own adventure story? Those have been around forever.
To be honest, Bandersnatch kinda sucked and felt gimmicky. Very glad this didn't actually take off.
Feel like I should point out that while Bandersnatch is Netflix’s first original choose your own adventure game, the concept of movie games on Netflix had been experimented with when Netflix ported Minecraft: Story Mode to their service
I personally didn't like Bandersnatch because I either want to a) see a movie/tv show or b) play a video game where I have the possibility of choosing my own adventure in a more complex way. this Black Mirror installment, although respectable, was a very unsatisfying middle ground for me, and it might be why it wasn't as successful as people expected it to be.
bandersnatch is a videogame most clearly when you consider that it's literally a visual novel. It's just a live action one.
I have no clue what the name of it was but as a kid I had what was basically a point and click adventure game that was a DVD. I remember always playing it and having all the checkpoint codes written down and it never really seemed to take that long to load. After hearing how difficult that must have been to do I have much more respect for whoever made it.
Edit: So apparently it was the second game in an actual point and click adventure game series called Freddi Fish that for some reason was made into a DVD-ROM game. I have no clue why the company would choose to do that but apparently they did
"Interactive shows are about to explode..."
Man, where are they? u.u
Why did I just get a notification for this upload?
Within the first 2 minutes... I had no clue Netflix made a Black Mirror VN!
15:24 *literally has that book* The microelectronic circuits one. Man, our professor didn't even use it! I still have it, just in case I need that low level understanding again.... probably never will though :/
i remember a DVD game about Jurassic park in the early 2010s i was positively obsessed with. it wasnt overly detailed but it was the only game i had at the time so i played it for hours lol
“………….. i’m a bad son!”
so it is just like "choose your own adventure" TH-cam videos?
Ashens reference??🤯🤯
No one is going to mention that "Gargoyles" did this on VHS in the mid-90's, and did it way better?
Curious what the mechanism for this was. Did you reach points on the VHS and have to rewind/fast forward to get there?
@@BobbyBroccoli yeah, essentially. Also I may have misremembered, it was actually an "Interactive VHS board game" and there was a board game that went along with it. So not exactly a choose your own adventure, since your outcome was determined by how the board game went. Still, very neat for the time.
@@stevem.o.1185i think I had a similar game as a kid and have thought about it for years but cant seem to find it online anywhere. All that ever shows up is that dumb horror vhs game.
I know this is 3 years old, but I think it'd be cool if you went over the bonus features of other Disney DVDs. Because so many of them have some REALLY interesting bonus features
Gotta say, I'm glad Bandersnatch flopped. Outside of the (admittedly cool) novelty factor and meta elements, I really dislike branching narratives, both in videogames and tv. I want to hear the most interesting version of a story in the way I would a want an author to write the most interesting version of a book. I don't enjoy the stress of constantly trying to decide whether I'm role-playing, or if I'm trying to see an interesting outcome, or if any one choice is a massive branch vs some throwaway line. I personally gain nothing from the interactivity and actually lose rather a lot.
That's probably an unpopular opinion, but eh.
They have some things for kid shows... But this is mostly a forgotten media
I miss this future.
Hi, I recently found your channel, and have been glued to the science fraud documentaries. I think your videos are excellent!
I wanted to let you know that in this one, I especially appreciated your censoring of the phrase "shut the fuck up", by cutting out the word "up".
Wait haven't they done this in a laserdisc arcade game Dragon's Lair back in 1983?
Yes! But that was a dedicated piece of arcade hardware, the novelty here is being able to do it on a DVD player which the average person already owns
@@BobbyBroccoli Thanks for the 411:)
Genuinely curious about the origins of the frock you're wearing . Mine don't have those pockets lol
DVD bonus feature games... Something I forgot about, but now it's all rushing back to me. This was ^not^ the one.
Ummm, this sort of thing has been around a lot longer than the Tarzan DVD. I mean it goes back at least to 1982, even things like Dragon's Lair, this is nothing special and Tarzan was very far from being the first.
Also someone shouldn't have to researchers the whole process of dvd menu making in order to critique it.
People have eyes. They know when they see shit.
On a sad note. How many times do you think an EMS crew turned off a TV that was stuck on the DVD menu screen? Stuck repeating the audio from some older movie that the occupant died while never being able to watch or even get out of the menu to watch TV again? I bet it is many...
I bet it is ROKU's turn to kill the elderly from frustration. An old lady dead laying on the floor with her cordless phone blaring a busy signal from the grandchild that was just as frustrated trying to explain over the phone how to use the Input/source button.
I am new to the channel, actually this is my first video and I must say I don't usually subscribe a to new channel only 6 mins into watching the first I ever seen on their channel but that just happened in spectaluar fashion. I literally subscribed just now purely based on this guys quarky humor. That was, of course, after cleaning up the mess I made from laughing so hard and so quickly while also taking a sip of Dr Pepper that I think it came out my eyes! It certainly came out of my mouth... And my nose...maybe even my ears too! Hell I spat that shit clear across the room when I heard this line lol "It's the early 2000's! That's right baby, the willennia.VHS?> More like Verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry hard to use."
2022: Netflix in financial trouble