I agree totally on how well stock tune flies, on 7" or whatever preset you choose. Anyone doing cinematic, pleasure, or long range flying should be using iNav and not BF. It flies so well out of the box!@@ We don't have worry about the finicky esoterica of BF such as prop wash, mid throttle oscillations and all of that which Bardwell talks about. iNav "just works" ;) Oh, and iNav has a "true" return to home, not the relatively immature BF GPS rescue. My favorite thing when playing around is to trigger a RTH and watch it land back where it was armed...
Will it Southland or will it just kind of crash itself into the ground? Do you have to kind of take over as it gets closer to you? I have a 7-in that I am putting together and probably won't be done till spring, but I'm very curious about how well the return to home works.
@@djwilson48625 it will return to the landing spot (as close as GPS can get it, within a meter or so), then it will lower itself slowly until it 'detects' the floor (it feels a bump), and then will carry on lowering throttle itself until it 'lands' then will completely disarm if also configured to do so. All of that is 'hands off' and automated.
For me it is quite opposite. BF 4.2 with all defaults + RPM filter flies great. I recently converted to iNav and am fighting to make it fly good. Has a lot of mid throttle oscillations
today I tried INAV 2.6 on a 7 inch and OMG, it flies much much better than BF, I had to do nothing in INAV to make it fly good all stock. kudos to INAV team
After 2+years flying a micro (ET100) I finally got my 7inch flying.... Had troubles, being a noob, with a couple of settings in 2.5 iNav & briefly flashed to BF 4.2 for testing purposes... Went back to iNav 2.5 & sorted settings & FINALLY got it working (thanks to advice in email from Pawel!) MY GOD it 'feels', to me, SOOOO much better in iNav than BF!!!! Bit of a learning curve for a middle-aged noob, but will be sticking to iNav from here on out... Thank YOU Pawel, iNav devs & testers for this awesome software!
Does the latest iNav support an inverted flight controller like BF? My quad has an inverted FC and in BF I modified the roll adjustment setting 180 degree. Great videos and I just subbed.
Great tuto, very interesting. I'd like very much to try on quads, and mainly because the more evoluate "GpsRescue", maybe even the waypoints possibilities if some, are very appealing. I put a gps on all my quads from 5-to 7 inch and it save me quite a lot of hours looking for, or climbing trees ....., what I'm very bad at. Therefore if you have the time to make a part 2, with GPS functionalities, it would be great, cause I guess it's a point where Inav have quite a lot to say. Many thanks for all your nice job Pawel.
There is a full playlist of extra materials on it th-cam.com/play/PLOUQ8o2_nCLl9M6Vm-ZNLMCr6_9yNVHQG.html It's almost 2 years old, but will give you what you need
Hello, I've just signed up on your Patreon. I would like to know how I can use iNav for the iFlight Defender25. According to iFlight Support, the Defender25 flight controller doesn't support the iNav configurator, but I saw your video where you mentioned that it can be used with iNav. I've never used iNav before and could use some guidance. Thank you in advance. P.S. Do you have a Discord channel?
@@FPVUniversity Thank you for the link and the guidance! I successfully installed iNav on my iFlight Defender25 using the steps provided. However, I encountered an issue with the ESCs. The motors did not initialize properly after the installation. Specifically, the motors do not make the usual initialization sounds when I plug in the battery, and they don't respond at all. I've checked the configuration and made sure the motor resources and ESC protocol are set correctly, but the problem persists. Could you please provide some guidance on how to resolve this issue? Any tips or steps to troubleshoot the ESC initialization would be greatly appreciated. Also, do you have a Discord channel for more direct communication and support? Thank you in advance for your help!
When going BACK to BF, and you run into errors, go into CLI, type BL (in BF), and the board will boot to reflash BF. MY kakute f7 did not like going in between. (steps are from my bad memory, but can be elaborated on by others, I'm sure)
Have you used inav on vtols? Beta flight is next to useless. Inav at least can control a plane but how can you dynamically transition from one to the other mode in flight?
It really should fly just about the same now (iNAV 2.6 vs. BF). The only real differences now seem to be: 1. RPM vs no RPM 2. Throttle based adaptive lowpass filters vs. a the co-variance based (on past gyr data) adaptive lowpass filter (the Unicorn filter). 3. Rates (probably the biggest difference!) 4. RC Smoothing methods 5. FeedForward interpolation vs. no interpolation options?
how to change motor position with mixer wizard? my fc is facing back (yaw 180) so motor 4 will became motor 1, but after i save it, on output page when i run motor 1 the spinnng motor stil motor 1 not motor 4 (not in the new motor position i wanted)
Very interesting. If I have a Betaflight quad with GPS and barometer will it work with iNav navigation modes or does it need a magnetometer too? If it needs a magnetometer, does the magnetometer need to be on a mast like is typical with ArduCopter?
First you need to make sure your FC supports INAV. If you try to flash INAV on a "BF only" board you may brick it. You need a GPS with compass (mag) and no, does not need to be on mast (it will be snapped right off in a good crash) but you need to isolate it away from the majority of the electronics as best as possible and maybe wrap the wires.
Hi Pawel I have a foxeer 722 v3 I thought it would be good to try inav , and found the Accelerometer is not listed . Will the v3 be a option one day or is there a work around I can see the foxeer v2 is listed but has a different build thanks
I'm very experience with betaflight. However, I have a question about inav. Are the velocity and position PID feedback from the accelerometer added to level mode? Or just position hold? I have an application where I would like to see a more stable level mode without using GPS or sonar. Here is the velocity p gain cli term: nav_mc_vel_xy_p
The motor_direction_inverted command won't save on my Matek f722, and I didn't realize how much I hate props in until I've been forced to use it and now I always have crap on my lens. PROPS OUT SHOULD BE DEFAULT
can you write the cli command for prop inversion? you brushed over it but didnt give the command to set it to on typed out.. i tried multiple different ways and still no dice thanks
Po udanej instalacji iNAV 6 na kontrolerze iFlight Blitz F722 mam problem z połączeniem konfiguratora. Błąd "Filed to open MSP connection". Jak temu zaradzić?
OK to mam ogarnięte. Brakowało sterownika STM32. Przy BF było to niepotrzebne. Ale mam kolejny problem. Test silników działa płynnie, ale w praktyce model staruje, jak oszalały w górę. Kompletnie brak kontroli nad Throttle. Dziwne skoro test silników jest prawidłowy.
@Paweł Spychalski Thanks for the update, I plan to DIY myself a quad, is it mean I find the flight controller with a built-in barometer it will have the ability of altitude hold if I flash and configured it with INAV?
is it possible to include the AIO board used in cinewhoop in INAV? im planning to use the optical flow sensor as flight assistant for making smooth and steady shot when near on ground
@@FPVUniversity thanks it worked, at least I now have a flying quad. Last thing I need is servo compatibility with the new Speedybee F405 V4 and everything is perfect.
a question I've had for some time now: in the presets you can choose the option: 3-7 inch miniquad. Does this mean that smaller quads and/or whoop are not supported, or don’t fly very well on iNav?
Pawel could you tell me why i cant put a throttle curve on my fixed wing in inav!? im pulling to many amps in my funjet ultra and just need to drop it by 20amps so i recon about a 20% throttle curve
@@FPVUniversity hi Pawel i tried throttle scale but its not working the same way betaflight would. if i do "set throttle_scale =0.5" so 50% cut its giving me 100% throttle at half stick!? i want it to be 50% right through the stick range or at the end of the stick deflection!
@@FPVUniversity Huge Thanks for that video! i'd suggest a "tune inav in 10 steps" style, referencing migration/default settings (this video and e.g. your 7-inch video) regarding inav7; BUT also some links/content on how to tune it from there (blackbox/how to connect pid-values to potis on the transmitter,...). in my case the 7inch defaults work nice, but i have no idea how to use blackbox/... to get rid of wobbles in windy conditions. all content i find is outdated/some years old :(
The only question what for? BF is so better for drones today, INAV is buggy, lacking features (MSP, DSHOT, SmartAudio and a long list here) and relatively smaller community (mostly wings people) which makes me curious why anybody will want to move his drone from BF to INAV.
I agree totally on how well stock tune flies, on 7" or whatever preset you choose.
Anyone doing cinematic, pleasure, or long range flying should be using iNav and not BF. It flies so well out of the box!@@
We don't have worry about the finicky esoterica of BF such as prop wash, mid throttle oscillations and all of that which Bardwell talks about.
iNav "just works" ;)
Oh, and iNav has a "true" return to home, not the relatively immature BF GPS rescue. My favorite thing when playing around is to trigger a RTH and watch it land back where it was armed...
iNav "just works" if you have successfully setup GPS, magnetometer and barometer ;)
Will it Southland or will it just kind of crash itself into the ground? Do you have to kind of take over as it gets closer to you? I have a 7-in that I am putting together and probably won't be done till spring, but I'm very curious about how well the return to home works.
@@djwilson48625 it will return to the landing spot (as close as GPS can get it, within a meter or so), then it will lower itself slowly until it 'detects' the floor (it feels a bump), and then will carry on lowering throttle itself until it 'lands' then will completely disarm if also configured to do so. All of that is 'hands off' and automated.
Do I really need a compass 🧭 or is it just preferred?
My Explorer doesn't have a compass. Wanted to test it on that.
For me it is quite opposite. BF 4.2 with all defaults + RPM filter flies great. I recently converted to iNav and am fighting to make it fly good. Has a lot of mid throttle oscillations
3 years later still relevant
Ty
Happy flying!
today I tried INAV 2.6 on a 7 inch and OMG, it flies much much better than BF, I had to do nothing in INAV to make it fly good all stock. kudos to INAV team
Find Pawels video for setting up iNav for 7inch quad- I found it flies EVEN BETTER-ER! ;)
Same for me. Flies perfect on the default tune 👌
Man I was making some noob errors, referenced your videos a lot my friend thank you
After 2+years flying a micro (ET100) I finally got my 7inch flying....
Had troubles, being a noob, with a couple of settings in 2.5 iNav & briefly flashed to BF 4.2 for testing purposes...
Went back to iNav 2.5 & sorted settings & FINALLY got it working (thanks to advice in email from Pawel!)
MY GOD it 'feels', to me, SOOOO much better in iNav than BF!!!!
Bit of a learning curve for a middle-aged noob, but will be sticking to iNav from here on out...
Thank YOU Pawel, iNav devs & testers for this awesome software!
Thanks mate!
Great video, Pawel! Thanks a lot! 😊
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
This is really cool. I wanted to switch to inav but have been hoping for this
I'm going to give this a try with my latest 7inch build, hopefully to be completed in next few days. 🙂
Does the latest iNav support an inverted flight controller like BF? My quad has an inverted FC and in BF I modified the roll adjustment setting 180 degree. Great videos and I just subbed.
In every INAV version you can rotate it however you want. Roll, pitch, yaw. All available via CLI
clear and detailed ❤❤❤
yup!
Great tuto, very interesting. I'd like very much to try on quads, and mainly because the more evoluate "GpsRescue", maybe even the waypoints possibilities if some, are very appealing.
I put a gps on all my quads from 5-to 7 inch and it save me quite a lot of hours looking for, or climbing trees ....., what I'm very bad at.
Therefore if you have the time to make a part 2, with GPS functionalities, it would be great, cause I guess it's a point where Inav have quite a lot to say.
Many thanks for all your nice job Pawel.
There is a full playlist of extra materials on it th-cam.com/play/PLOUQ8o2_nCLl9M6Vm-ZNLMCr6_9yNVHQG.html
It's almost 2 years old, but will give you what you need
@@FPVUniversity Fine, many thanks
@@FPVUniversity To get "GPSRescue" in INAV, do you need to have a GPS with magnetometer? I'm currently running GPS only.
There is not Rescue in INAV. It's a full blown RTH with landing and yes, it need a magnetometer
Hello, I've just signed up on your Patreon. I would like to know how I can use iNav for the iFlight Defender25. According to iFlight Support, the Defender25 flight controller doesn't support the iNav configurator, but I saw your video where you mentioned that it can be used with iNav. I've never used iNav before and could use some guidance. Thank you in advance. P.S. Do you have a Discord channel?
Hi, this should get ou started quadmeup.com/2024/05/16/iflight-defender-blitz-f722-x1
@@FPVUniversity Thank you for the link and the guidance! I successfully installed iNav on my iFlight Defender25 using the steps provided. However, I encountered an issue with the ESCs. The motors did not initialize properly after the installation.
Specifically, the motors do not make the usual initialization sounds when I plug in the battery, and they don't respond at all. I've checked the configuration and made sure the motor resources and ESC protocol are set correctly, but the problem persists.
Could you please provide some guidance on how to resolve this issue? Any tips or steps to troubleshoot the ESC initialization would be greatly appreciated.
Also, do you have a Discord channel for more direct communication and support?
Thank you in advance for your help!
When going BACK to BF, and you run into errors, go into CLI, type BL (in BF), and the board will boot to reflash BF.
MY kakute f7 did not like going in between. (steps are from my bad memory, but can be elaborated on by others, I'm sure)
Have you used inav on vtols? Beta flight is next to useless. Inav at least can control a plane but how can you dynamically transition from one to the other mode in flight?
It really should fly just about the same now (iNAV 2.6 vs. BF). The only real differences now seem to be:
1. RPM vs no RPM
2. Throttle based adaptive lowpass filters vs. a the co-variance based (on past gyr data) adaptive lowpass filter (the Unicorn filter).
3. Rates (probably the biggest difference!)
4. RC Smoothing methods
5. FeedForward interpolation vs. no interpolation options?
Yeap, different rates are indeed different. The difference fades away after a few LiPos but it surely feels different
Thanks Pawel.
how to change motor position with mixer wizard? my fc is facing back (yaw 180) so motor 4 will became motor 1, but after i save it, on output page when i run motor 1 the spinnng motor stil motor 1 not motor 4 (not in the new motor position i wanted)
Very interesting. If I have a Betaflight quad with GPS and barometer will it work with iNav navigation modes or does it need a magnetometer too? If it needs a magnetometer, does the magnetometer need to be on a mast like is typical with ArduCopter?
First you need to make sure your FC supports INAV. If you try to flash INAV on a "BF only" board you may brick it. You need a GPS with compass (mag) and no, does not need to be on mast (it will be snapped right off in a good crash) but you need to isolate it away from the majority of the electronics as best as possible and maybe wrap the wires.
Hi Pawel I have a foxeer 722 v3 I thought it would be good to try inav , and found the Accelerometer is not listed . Will the v3 be a option one day or is there a work around I can see the foxeer v2 is listed but has a different build thanks
I'm very experience with betaflight. However, I have a question about inav. Are the velocity and position PID feedback from the accelerometer added to level mode? Or just position hold? I have an application where I would like to see a more stable level mode without using GPS or sonar. Here is the velocity p gain cli term: nav_mc_vel_xy_p
The motor_direction_inverted command won't save on my Matek f722, and I didn't realize how much I hate props in until I've been forced to use it and now I always have crap on my lens. PROPS OUT SHOULD BE DEFAULT
Turtle mode by now? Made comment on your auto-hover video post
Turtle mode? For like 2-3 years now
Will you be adding Tmotor f7 and strix f10 fc's to inav?
for some reason it seems to be impossible to run both DJI AIr Unit and DJI Remote at the same time, do I do something wrong?
can you write the cli command for prop inversion? you brushed over it but didnt give the command to set it to on typed out.. i tried multiple different ways and still no dice
thanks
Po udanej instalacji iNAV 6 na kontrolerze iFlight Blitz F722 mam problem z połączeniem konfiguratora. Błąd "Filed to open MSP connection". Jak temu zaradzić?
OK to mam ogarnięte. Brakowało sterownika STM32. Przy BF było to niepotrzebne. Ale mam kolejny problem. Test silników działa płynnie, ale w praktyce model staruje, jak oszalały w górę. Kompletnie brak kontroli nad Throttle. Dziwne skoro test silników jest prawidłowy.
I have to rewatch. I want to try inav on my explorer.. eventhpugh doesn't have compass ..
Wanted to try hex but someone said no inav target yet
Hi @Pawal Spychalski, is this Betaflight to INAV migration process still valid in 2023?
yes
@Paweł Spychalski Thanks for the update, I plan to DIY myself a quad, is it mean I find the flight controller with a built-in barometer it will have the ability of altitude hold if I flash and configured it with INAV?
Спасибо!
hello why cant i install inav on my HIFIONRC F7 V2 can you help me.
is it possible to include the AIO board used in cinewhoop in INAV? im planning to use the optical flow sensor as flight assistant for making smooth and steady shot when near on ground
How your job is?
I'm using props in, but they are rotating in the wrong direction, how do I reverse motors?
BLHeli configurator
@@FPVUniversity thanks it worked, at least I now have a flying quad. Last thing I need is servo compatibility with the new Speedybee F405 V4 and everything is perfect.
a question I've had for some time now: in the presets you can choose the option: 3-7 inch miniquad. Does this mean that smaller quads and/or whoop are not supported, or don’t fly very well on iNav?
There are no good defaults for everything. If you can tune it, it will fly great
@@FPVUniversity Then I will give it a try on my ET115. And hope it won’t ne a Looney Tune 😬
@@FPVUniversity , Pawel, is what you say in this video still completely valid for INAV 6.x ? I want to migrate from BF to INAV.
@@Tonynux yes, mostly is. Sure some details will not match, but general approach is the same
Hi Pawel , on github it says that it only works on certain FC's , has this changed as I would love to try I-Nav but the FC I have is not on the list .
Then sorry, you are stuck with BF
Pawel could you tell me why i cant put a throttle curve on my fixed wing in inav!? im pulling to many amps in my funjet ultra and just need to drop it by 20amps so i recon about a 20% throttle curve
what you want is a throttle_scale setting
@@FPVUniversity hi Pawel i tried throttle scale but its not working the same way betaflight would. if i do "set throttle_scale =0.5" so 50% cut its giving me 100% throttle at half stick!? i want it to be 50% right through the stick range or at the end of the stick deflection!
INAV's going on my mini long range.
maybe we can have an updated version of this one?
Yes, I will work on this this quarter
@@FPVUniversity it would be really cool if there was a CF dump import/convert tool :)
@@FPVUniversity Huge Thanks for that video! i'd suggest a "tune inav in 10 steps" style, referencing migration/default settings (this video and e.g. your 7-inch video) regarding inav7; BUT also some links/content on how to tune it from there (blackbox/how to connect pid-values to potis on the transmitter,...). in my case the 7inch defaults work nice, but i have no idea how to use blackbox/... to get rid of wobbles in windy conditions. all content i find is outdated/some years old :(
Thanks a lot;-)
The only question what for? BF is so better for drones today, INAV is buggy, lacking features (MSP, DSHOT, SmartAudio and a long list here) and relatively smaller community (mostly wings people) which makes me curious why anybody will want to move his drone from BF to INAV.
Inav is for those who want the dji but don’t have enough funds to purchase it
is inav support mamba f405 mk2 fc?
Yes
@@FPVUniversity hello sir please tell me your Instagram.I really need someone because i am building my 1st quad.
Can f7 v3 run on inav firmware?
Which F7v3?
and were in the hell VTX setup is located?
VTX tables? Nobody needs VTX tables. It just works
"failsafe - use drop" - Terrifying haha. Try return to home so it doesn't endanger everyone!
hello why cant i install inav on my HIFIONRC F7 V2 can you help me.