Deliverance & Discipleship: A Balanced Pair 🙏✝️👥
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ก.ย. 2024
- In this episode, we'll examine the relationship between deliverance and discipleship in the Christian walk. We'll explore the contrast between the instantaneous nature of deliverance and the gradual journey of sanctification. How do these two aspects intertwine? Can an over-focus on one hinder the other? Also, we'll ask what does an ideal vision for integration between the two look like? How can churches maximize both for greater Christian development?
Join us to uncover the delicate balance between deliverance and discipleship, better understanding the crucial role of both in our spiritual growth and development.
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Shoutout to Pastor Michael Rowntree I reached out to him and he connected me to a friend who guided me through inner healing in Christ. I’m significantly changed freed empowered in Christ! Inner Healing in Jesus is life giving life changing!! Hallelujah I now go to the same church. All thanks to God and using this show!
Deliverence many times is a process through discipleship and counseling
MR and JL are mic hogs. MM is the one should have had the chance to speak.
This is true! My experience has been 80-90%of deliverance is this disscipleship and growing in spiritual disciplines
You guys should do some episodes fully dedicated to story time some time since you guys always have to hold back to get to the show notes.
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Very solid! It makes me sad when people throw away deliverance.
I agree that demons may just leave. “Resist the devil and he will flee from you” and all of that
The Holy Spirit (Counselor) search’s the deep things. Go into the “Secret Place” with The Lord and He will show you all things, so tenderly.❤️
Really good and pastoral episode guys.
Really thankful for these guys and their willingness to be faithful to what the Scriptures teach us. Namely, that there are in fact demons and that they do in fact harass people and that the Scriptures teach us that those who believe the good news of Jesus Christ will be given authority to cast these demons out. (Mark 16:15-18) I can't find a single solitary Christian that has ever acknowledged this reality with more than lip service. Nothing is ever a demon, there's always a rational explanation for literally anything and everything. The materialist worldview and the spirit of rationalism has a stranglehold on the church. They just refuse to acknowledge the supernatural reality of the cosmos as Scripture has plainly laid it out.
Holy crap these TH-cam ads are getting ridiculous. I’m 17 minutes and I’ve already had four commercial interruptions..
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Pay the $19/month and you will never see another ad. Yes, it is worth it if you can afford it and if you watch a lot of TH-cam. Maranatha
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I was repeatedly getting into narcissistic relationships. For me, it was simply because that was my normal. This is where I see where discipleship comes in handy to see how families are able to operate. I always knew what I didn’t want. Now I know what I actually want.
I often reference “where the dead flesh is - there the vultures gather” and I think that’s rooted in spiritual warfare!
25:30 so good, Rowntree! Not just freedom FROM but freedom FOR.
Loved this
You guy’s had mentioned about Sozo ministry. What are your thoughts on it or maybe do an episode on it? Thanks!
The word SOZO is biblical, but the actual practice that I've seen within the church seems to lean more into new age and psychological than biblical standards & practice. I went to a church that practiced it and personally was directed to leave that church eventually.
That would be really good to hear their thought
I can direct you to a lot of information about Sozo.
I have had 2 sozo’s and would not recommend, it opens you up , but does not close you up, and expects you to do all the work of self deliverance.
@lorelleturnbull8001 I've never done one, but from what I have heard, and listening to the explanation of the practices, it seems as if it would actually open a person up to demonization rather than helping one get free from it. But, that was just the sense that I got when I looked into it.
what many theologians say but do not believe is that the most “extraordinary” means of grace (if such a thing exists) is that which results in the new birth. _see_ the miracle at cana. on an even more fundamental level, do the scriptures even differentiate between “ordinary” and “extraordinary” means of grace or are these merely man-made words which serve only to confuse the flock? instead of teaching and juxtaposing the doctrines of justification and sanctification, they go down esoteric rabbit holes like “deliverance” and the “casting out of demons.” these rabbit holes have become new industries in the economy of the body of christ, and some are investing heavily in them because they see them as growth industries.
do christians have scars on their hearts which god wants to heal? are some christians bound by evil spirits? yes and yes, but if the “old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new,” how is it that not all old things have passed away, and behold, not all things have become new? if a man brings old things into the kingdom, or looks back at egypt and opens himself up to temptation and sin and therefore bondage, or has never understood that “god has made this jesus both lord _and_ christ,” god will reveal it to that man if that man is born again and seeks first the kingdom of god. does god use others to help that man see what is spiritually ailing him? yes, of course. by laying hands on that man and “delivering” him from evil spirits which have bound him? or by “rooting out” things which have taken root in his heart? or by helping that man see the errors of his ways and his need for repentance towards god so that god might heal that man through the sanctifying work of the holy spirit? or are all these things different expressions of the one thing?
the reason why terms like “revival,” “deliverance,” “casting out demons,” “signs” and “wonders” are thrown around like candy in the body of christ is that we do not see the hand of god moving in our midst. and the reason why we do not see it is not god’s fault but ours, that is, we do not see god’s hand at work because of our unbelief and disobedience. what unbelief and disobedience you ask? do not ask man but ask god. _“seek and you shall find. ask and it shall be given to you.”_
the word of god is so rich and so deep and so full of unspeakable wonder and beauty that it could have only come from god. but we have chosen to focus on certain parts while downplaying the one thing which is needed, the good part which shall not be taken away from us. _see_ martha and mary.
“so he got into a boat, crossed over, and came to his own city. then behold, they brought to him a paralytic lying on a bed. when jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralytic, “son, be of good cheer; your sins are forgiven you.” and at once some of the scribes said within themselves, “this man blasphemes!” but jesus, knowing their thoughts, said, “why do you think evil in your hearts? for which is easier, to say, ‘your sins are forgiven you,’ or to say, ‘arise and walk’? *_but that you may know that the son of man has power on earth to forgive sins”_* - then he said to the paralytic, “arise, take up your bed, and go to your house.” and he arose and departed to his house. now when the multitudes saw it, they marveled and glorified god, who had given such power to men.”
maranatha
Yes, maranatha.
Modern medicine many times would not count as common grace here in the US given that many medical treatments are harmful and lead to iatrogenesis (harm cause by properly prescribed treatment) and also many folks are bankrupted by medical treatment. I have seen folks die or end up worse because they did exactly what a physician told them to do. And definitely with inflated bills that one would not see in many other Western countries.
Barely starting tho video. Does seem like discipleship is a missing element of the deliverance process for many. Been thinking about this a lot the last few weeks. When I saw the title to this, I am very eager to watch.
There is always the question I hear- when casting out a demon, do you just tell it to go, or do you tell it where to go when it is to leave? I hear different things.
Regarding This “story“ from John and Carol Wimber, it seems very foolish to make an assertion that this is somehow a biblical template for how we go about dealing with sin/demonic oppression/physical elements.
Especially when linking it to a discussion of repressed memories. The book Joshua referenced, and its author, has been completely discredited. I was shocked when he mentioned it at all let alone couched within the Carol Wimber story. I have been a fan of this show but this episode is promoting the single most dangerous myth to come out of the mental health field. You can find a critique on my channel.
How does one discern the difference between demon possession, ungodly spirits, and genetic predispositions toward certain sin or behaviors that stem from living in a broken world?
Originally, I watched an earlier version of this episode. Can Remnant Radio or anyone else confirm whether I heard Joshua Lewis say something to the effect of:
“I think we need to accept the idea of repressed memories...”
That phrase stuck in my head for several weeks, but when I watched this episode a second time. I was unable to find that comment.
Did I mistakenly hear that or was it edited out?
I would have to go back and rewatch the episode. You can’t edit the videos once they’re posted or live streamed. You would have to delete the video and then re-upload it again, which would lose all your views and comments.
Can you interview Bob Larson about interrogating demons? He would love an interview like this to defend why he interrogates demons.
I’ve been through Bob’s school because I was in a prayer ministry session when there was a physical manifestation. I handled it, but knew I needed more training. (I’ve been in the “waste management business” over 20 years, but it was a quiet deliverance model.) You need to know when and how the unclean spirit got there. The “legal right”. Sometimes the person knows (like had an abortion), the HS can tell you, or you command the unclean spirit to say. I only minister to Christians, and 90% of unclean spirits I’ve dealt with come from abuse, rejection, curses, or generational sins.
Two questions -
1. You said you can deal with the demonic because of the authority believers have in Christ. How do you explain when Jesus' disciples were unable to deal with the demonic, on at least one occasion ( probably more)? I would imagine they had Jesus' authority at the time.
2. Josh referred to a number of examples in Jesus' ministry where he dealt with the demonic. But in just about all of those cases, if not all, the people concerned seemed to be behaving rather oddly, eg living in a graveyard, or running around violently etc. From the examples you have described in your own ministries, that often doesnt seem to be the case. People are pretty ordinary. Isnt that one reason why some Christians today doubt this is really the demonic you are dealing with in such cases, given the contrast with Jesus' apparent experience as described in the Gospels?
Records of Jesus' ministry highlighted the standout cases. Remember, he healed many that were diseased and cast out many spirits. The norm cases of healing and deliverance didn't get individual mention.
@@buhrochem isnt that an argument from silence? And based on the presumption that the incidents mentioned in the Gospels were 'standout' cases rather than typical. I find that a weak argument. Logically then the sort of physical healings recorded were also not typical.
Why wasn’t this the first video yall have done on deliverance?
I love you guys. I been listening for awhile and I’m a good church because of yall. I needed this!
Concerning 48:30 starving demons out, we know the OT Temples became us at Pentecost because of Calvary. Therefore the OT Temples lined on the inside with holy angels / cherubim embroidery in us manifests as angels hovering around us to tempt us to do good because they recognize HolySpirit activity going on in our life. This in turn makes demons uncomfortable around us. Just a thought, but here are the verses:
2Ch 3:14 And he made the vail of blue, and purple, and crimson, and fine linen, and wrought cherubims thereon.
Exo 26:1 Moreover thou shalt make the tabernacle with ten curtains of fine twined linen, and blue, and purple, and scarlet: with cherubims of cunning work shalt thou make them.
Exo 26:31 And thou shalt make a vail of blue, and purple, and scarlet, and fine twined linen of cunning work: with cherubims shall it be made:
Exo 36:8 And every wise hearted man among them that wrought the work of the tabernacle made ten curtains of fine twined linen, and blue, and purple, and scarlet: with cherubims of cunning work made he them.
Exo 36:35 And he made a vail of blue, and purple, and scarlet, and fine twined linen: with cherubims made he it of cunning work.
@@paulral No. I’m into God’s 7-fold spirit sent out into the earth to keep close👁️👁️👁️👁️👁️👁️👁️watch on the evil and the good.
Proverbs15v3 The eyes👁️👁️👁️👁️👁️👁️👁️of YHVH are in every place, beholding the evil and the good.
Revelation5v6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven👁️👁️👁️👁️👁️👁️👁️eyes, which are the seven💨💨💨💨💨💨💨Spirits of God sent forth👉🏼into all the🌎🌍🌏earth.
Please know brothers that we're in Joel 2:28-32.That being said the Holy Spirit is pouring out His Spirit on all flesh saved and unsaved a like. The Holy Spirit said even though that is so, the unsaved even though hearing from the Holy Spirit they will not go in the rapture because they are not saved. The Holy Spirit said that they have free will and will never, ever force to believe that they don't want too. They have free will always and they can choose now and in the future! They have the right to choose period!!!
What's the link to the interview with Carol Wimber that you mentioned?
Unfortunately the audio quality was very poor. So, while we did record an interview, we have not published it due to the very poor audio. :-(
I am trying to understand this demon casting part of this conversation seems to lack any theological backing and historical practices. Surely it is advisable to defer that type of cases to the Catholic Church as they have a ministry specialising in this plus there should be a psychological aspect to it so doctors and specialist should be involved.
Here is a playlist on demonology that will answer your questions: th-cam.com/play/PLMsjeViSScFGlQJfR8BWdL8cZ46M1SjSZ.html
There’s was like no scripture referenced for your stances in the last 15 or so minutes. Massive red flag.
Are you guys using AI for the thumbnails now? If so why? It seems like the thumbnails for the past 4-5ish months have a more AI-like flavor. The old thumbnails were great!(and sometimes even a little funny) whereas the AI thumbnails have an off "fakey" feeling. I also just hate to see creative arenas being taken over by AI and stealing the beauty and originality of what a person can actually create (AI does not create it merely spits out enumerated amalgamations of what you feed it). I know it's just thumbnails so maybe it's not that deep and I'm overreacting about this😅 I'm just passionate about human creativity and I think its a unique quality of being made in God's image, and I feel like AI twists that😕
The Cavalier Children. I’m unsubscribing because of your ungodly arrogance.
christians cannot have demons
We agree that Christians cannot be possessed by a demon, but can be influenced or oppressed. The New Testament calls it demonized.
@@TheRemnantRadio can you guys give me sources?
A Chrisitan who was into stuff before being a Christian could be possessed / oppressed.
Judas. He was following Jesus, practicing everything Jesus taught. Then Satan entered him because of the foothold of greed in his heart that he acted on (dipping into the money purse for himself) and Satan influenced him further (operated through him) to the point of betraying Jesus.
@@allisonrivero9252 that is not true. He was a thief and a devil. He was never saved.