I recently realised you’re one of the only youtubers to which I’ve watched all your videos throughout without even thinking. Your content is fantastic, keep it up
Only thing of his I ain’t watched is the Guilty Gear vids simply because I don’t have time to play GG Strive & I don’t want Toph to trick me into playing it right now. Cus I know he will
@@colinmurphy2214 Bonkdashing is explained in AsumSaus' Battlefield is Broken video. It's only possible on battlefield, with Marth, it's a 2-frame input and gives insane amounts of GALINT.
The input to drop off ledge is something so recently got interested in because of N0ne's crazy consistency with Ganon. I think he might do the c stick technique too
I did that exact same Marth up-smash cover *on accident* when playing against a 20XX Fox cpu. As a certified Melee goober, I thought it was pretty cool lol.
10:13 for down ledgedashes it's actually the same order, it's down then downforward then jump. You have to be inputting forward the same frame (or before) the jump input otherwise you won't jump forward, you'll just be drifting
I always thought I just did ledgedashes differently per side because of how thumbs work (easier to push right fast than pull left fast). Interesting that I'm not alone and there's controller considerations to it!
It's very difficult for me to get positive ledgedash galint with Roy and Falcon. So for Roy I do no-impact lands, and for Falcon I do back air aerial interrupt. I average 1f galint with Roy's NIL, and I average 6f with Falcon's AI. Whereas if I did a ledgedash I'd be around -3.
Roy NIL on YS is decent +6 iirc, now allow me to blow your mind with this next one that people just dont talk about: clips.twitch.tv/FamousLongSproutOpieOP-IEkd4o_XuK36SU6F
@@TheTelk Oh yea ECB manip ledgedashes are so satisfying when they work. Only issue is that most ECB manipulation setups leave you open to getting hit.
Toph, I have a content idea. Dual mains tier list. There is a template for it but I can't link it without hitting the spam filter. personally I think, ignoring the difficulty of switching: Marth Fox > Fox Sheik > Falco Falcon > Fox Pika (wildcard) > Marth Puff > Marth Sheik > Falco Marth > Fox Peach > Fox Falco > Fox Puff > Falco Puff > Peach Sheik > Falco Pika but I am a scrub so maybe my opinion is garbage
Even if marth gets 4 frames of galint he can't get any moves out during it. meaning you can just stand where his ledgedash will end and just uptilt him. it's really a non issue.
Wow you are so smart, it's not like he can move, block or change his ledgedash distances. I wonder why everyone doesn't kill marth whenever he is on the ledge, everyone must really suck.
@@devilmaycrysarockingdontcome im just saying he shouldn't get a reversal. You shouldn't be putting yourself in that bad of a position anyway. Calm down with the ego and just have a conversation man.
@@CaptainFlufification calling it a non issue is not wanting a conversation and not really humble either. He shouldn't get a reversal all the time but he can mix-up his options. Just saying just up-tilt is not useful advice.
@@devilmaycrysarockingdontcome you dont have to do the same thing everytime either. Obviously if the marth knows you're going to up tilt he can play around it. I understand this to be the like 101 of fighting games I didn't know I had to type out every option you have.
This is the stuff thay don't tell you in the tutorials. Just the small difference with order in back ledge dash and down. That's why I come here. You should clip just dose segments and put them in a folder for tutorials. Kinda hard to find those gems hidden in something else. Also "free" content.
Grounded Actionable Ledge Intangibility. Basically, it's the frames where you're on stage and can perform an action such as shield or a move while invincible.
Dude. If you don't know what something is, then google it. In this day and age the most useful habit/skill to acquire is the ability to use search engines to access information. Not trying to be rude, its just that you've spent months not knowing what something is and then asked for an explanation when you could more easily answer the question yourself using google. Have a good one bro
Even if marth gets 4 frames of galint he can't get any moves out during it. meaning you can just stand where his ledgedash will end and just uptilt him. it's really a non issue.
I recently realised you’re one of the only youtubers to which I’ve watched all your videos throughout without even thinking. Your content is fantastic, keep it up
SO REAL
I don’t even play melee and I watch toph
Only thing of his I ain’t watched is the Guilty Gear vids simply because I don’t have time to play GG Strive & I don’t want Toph to trick me into playing it right now.
Cus I know he will
Actual Facts. wtf. didnt realize that until now.
Bro I wasnt even subbed, and watched them all. LOL. I fixed that.
If only koopa knew about BONKDASHING BABY
us marf mains do be bonkin' out here
Elaborate please
@@colinmurphy2214 Bonkdashing is explained in AsumSaus' Battlefield is Broken video. It's only possible on battlefield, with Marth, it's a 2-frame input and gives insane amounts of GALINT.
@@Seboy666 It gives more GALINT than the best Fox ledgedash with Fox getting 16 frames and a bonkdashing Marth getting 18
zain will be bonking in 1 year
goddamned, that edit after you got rekt by the side special was dope. I laughed aloud.
This is a great companion piece for putting the tech from Asumsaus’s new video into context
As a marth main this has changed my life
As someone who has no time for twitch I’m super excited over the TH-cam stuff. Good shit Chris.
The input to drop off ledge is something so recently got interested in because of N0ne's crazy consistency with Ganon. I think he might do the c stick technique too
The getting over it sound track makes the first part all the funnier
been preaching the benefits of claw+cstick for ledgeplay for years thanks for the vindication
I did that exact same Marth up-smash cover *on accident* when playing against a 20XX Fox cpu. As a certified Melee goober, I thought it was pretty cool lol.
Dropping with down forward gang.
You content is incredible and your editor is insane
10:13 for down ledgedashes it's actually the same order, it's down then downforward then jump. You have to be inputting forward the same frame (or before) the jump input otherwise you won't jump forward, you'll just be drifting
I know this is a year old but thank you so much for this I can finally ledgedash consistently
@@Silverado-pq6xe Hell yeah, glad I could help :)
I always thought I just did ledgedashes differently per side because of how thumbs work (easier to push right fast than pull left fast). Interesting that I'm not alone and there's controller considerations to it!
I think m2k uses slight down, avoiding fastfall and backwards drift. It takes more precision though.
That's how I do it as well, it's pretty hard though tbh. Might be easier if I had the angle notched.
great video! I didnt know marths ledgedash like that, im definetley gonna try this
this is the coffee jazz chudat listens to in his league streams
Oh hey I remember this stream
Martha's tipper size makes me question life
Yo bro these captions are hot fire
"I tried to do a bad ledgedash and got 9 frames" toph moment
It's very difficult for me to get positive ledgedash galint with Roy and Falcon.
So for Roy I do no-impact lands, and for Falcon I do back air aerial interrupt.
I average 1f galint with Roy's NIL, and I average 6f with Falcon's AI. Whereas if I did a ledgedash I'd be around -3.
Roy NIL on YS is decent +6 iirc, now allow me to blow your mind with this next one that people just dont talk about: clips.twitch.tv/FamousLongSproutOpieOP-IEkd4o_XuK36SU6F
@@TheTelk Oh yea ECB manip ledgedashes are so satisfying when they work. Only issue is that most ECB manipulation setups leave you open to getting hit.
Love your vids can’t catch the streams but keep it up
I find left side ledgedashes way easier than right side but I’m left handed so maybe it depends on your dominant hand?
I also find left side ledge dash easier, I think going away on left thumb is just easier imo
I c stick ledgedashed when I first started cuz there was no risk of fastfalling but it's just too inconsistent for me.
Ive never had a controller that doesn't instabair when i try to use cstick
Y'all need some BONKDASH in your life.
I press back on control stick and usually get 1f of galint when practicing. In-game I'm probably getting none though
Lol your editor used the hiding in my room song
Where can I find a diagram of this Marth doing the ledgedash? I'm trying to master it atm
Do you need to use X for the double jump because using Y seems kind of insane for y users
The censoring allows me to watch melee content around my younger nephew and niece and it’s really nice tbh.
whats that training pack? its not unclepunch or do i just run an old ass version of it?
it's the patreon version
I feel like back on left side and down on right side is the easiest for me, maybe it's because I'm left handed or something
the outro is nightcore now lol
Toph, I have a content idea. Dual mains tier list. There is a template for it but I can't link it without hitting the spam filter. personally I think, ignoring the difficulty of switching:
Marth Fox > Fox Sheik > Falco Falcon > Fox Pika (wildcard) > Marth Puff > Marth Sheik > Falco Marth > Fox Peach > Fox Falco > Fox Puff > Falco Puff > Peach Sheik > Falco Pika
but I am a scrub so maybe my opinion is garbage
Even if marth gets 4 frames of galint he can't get any moves out during it. meaning you can just stand where his ledgedash will end and just uptilt him. it's really a non issue.
Wow you are so smart, it's not like he can move, block or change his ledgedash distances. I wonder why everyone doesn't kill marth whenever he is on the ledge, everyone must really suck.
@@devilmaycrysarockingdontcome im just saying he shouldn't get a reversal. You shouldn't be putting yourself in that bad of a position anyway. Calm down with the ego and just have a conversation man.
Also technically marth has an 8 galint dolphin dash that manipulates his ECB but it's risky and kinda random to get.
@@CaptainFlufification calling it a non issue is not wanting a conversation and not really humble either. He shouldn't get a reversal all the time but he can mix-up his options. Just saying just up-tilt is not useful advice.
@@devilmaycrysarockingdontcome you dont have to do the same thing everytime either. Obviously if the marth knows you're going to up tilt he can play around it. I understand this to be the like 101 of fighting games I didn't know I had to type out every option you have.
what training mod is this? Asking for myself because I'm bad
Unclepunch training pack
Probably a dumb question for someone who's played the game since it dropped, but what is 'galint' 'glint'?
Grounded actionable ledge intangibility. It’s the frames after you ledge dash where you can input a move and are also intangible at the same time
@@johnb2387 thank you so much :)
in before westballz is top 10 again just for the fd doraki walljumps
the voice of a 40 years old with the face of a 16 years old
anyone watch the recent asumsaus vid? i swear zain will be able to bonkdash soon.
This is the stuff thay don't tell you in the tutorials.
Just the small difference with order in back ledge dash and down. That's why I come here.
You should clip just dose segments and put them in a folder for tutorials. Kinda hard to find those gems hidden in something else. Also "free" content.
Fox marth is literally impossible holy shit the matchup is at least 13.552-86.448
TOPH
Hm, interesting.
I feel like they're all high af. When they talk about Melee at this lvl... git gud.? (Got Melee.?)
cant you just soft press down instead of c-stick back
yeah i usually just do this
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I recommend soft down forward so you can get forward drift on your jump, can actually create greater tolerance for the SD frames on some characters.
Bruh wtf does galint mean I been hearing this shit for months n still don’t know what the hell it means
Grounded Actionable Ledge Intangibility. Basically, it's the frames where you're on stage and can perform an action such as shield or a move while invincible.
Dude. If you don't know what something is, then google it. In this day and age the most useful habit/skill to acquire is the ability to use search engines to access information.
Not trying to be rude, its just that you've spent months not knowing what something is and then asked for an explanation when you could more easily answer the question yourself using google.
Have a good one bro
Even if marth gets 4 frames of galint he can't get any moves out during it. meaning you can just stand where his ledgedash will end and just uptilt him. it's really a non issue.
until you get hit with a bonkdash at 18 galint. POW!