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The doctor is vain, the doctor is weird, the doctor is childlike, and the doctor is skinny. Jo Martin isn't distinctive or strange looking, she looks like a completely ordinary woman you could meet day-to-day, she isn't thin enough to play the character, and she can't be childlike and authoritative at the same time. While not necessarily "hot", the doctor's incarnations are always distinctive looking enough to stick out like a sore thumb standing in line at a bank, and Jo Martin doesn't at all, I wouldn't blink twice if I saw her in line behind me. Jodie Whittaker does. She looks as surreal in her face and expressions as Capaldi or Smith or Tom Baker. A Ruth Negga or Adelayo Adedayo or Thandie Newton would likely work in this respect just as well as Whittaker. I suspect the casting director had the idea that being a black person compensates for not being strange-looking or childlike. No. No. No. An ordinary-looking un-childlike overweight doctor doesn't convince, in either male or female form.
@@Joe_Brennan_ Alright, fair enough I jumped to conclusions, my bad. It's just hard to find ANYTHING positive about ANYTHING that happened in Jodie's run. And the Timeless Child completely destroyed it, so it's hard to take anything positive from like Jo Martin's doctor. Especially since we know she wasn't the next doctor (even though I wouldn't want her as the next either), but one even BEFORE the numbered Doctors.
It's astonishing, that Jo Martin made more impact as The Doctor in one episode, than JW has in two series and two specials. I don't care what colour or gender The Doctor is, as long as they inhabit the part and make it work.
@@annaclarafenyo8185 Her not being too childlike is a plus in my book. They keep trying to top themselves in that regard, to the point "Doctory" dialogue has been consumed with one liners and line references to previous stories, when I think a Doctor like 7 is much more called for, esp if we are saddled with Chibnall for a while. That kind of Doctor would play far more to the current era's strengths whereas Jodie seems to almost clash tonally in every scene. A Doctor that can be silly sometimes, but for the most part is serious and scheming... And what we saw of Jo Martin absolutely fits that bill.
@@parrot998 If you want a serious Doctor, Jo Martin needs to lose 2 stone, then I'd say she can play the part. I still won't buy her jumping over bridges, and I still don't see her as alien-looking, but that might get better as she pulls more faces, like it did with Tennant.
@XML studios Capaldi's doctor was somewhat childlike, he played the electric guitar, he had those ridiculous sonic glasses. He had naivete in trusting Missy. Perhaps "teenlike" is more appropriate. I didn't think he was a great casting choice, but he did okay, because the writing was really good, better than the Smith years.
Jo Martin's "I know, shut up" makes her feel more like The Doctor Jodie Whittaker is honestly just a blank canvas, she's just exposition, whimsical comments and pop culture references.
@@Joe_Brennan_ she really reminds me of Peter Davidson in his first season, rather baffled and unsure about what kind of character she's trying to portray. Just with worse writing.
Jodie Whittaker is an excellent actress, and is completely persuasive as the Doctor. Jo Martin is a fine actress, but she is totally miscast, and can never be persuasive as the doctor, as she isn't skinny enough to play the part, and she isn't weird looking at all, unlike Capaldi, Smith, Whittaker, Tennant, and all the doctor actors, who look like space aliens just from their weird-ass faces and facial expressions.
@@annaclarafenyo8185 There's a LOT to unpack here. 1. You prefer the white, underdeveloped shallow character over the black badass 2. Fat shaming 3. Calling actors weird looking I genuinely feel like you're either a skinny white conservative living on your Dad's money, or an insecure fat racist. Pick one.
@@HedeccaTamer Jo Martin's character is not "badass", she isn't a doctor at all. The Doctor is childlike, and projects authority despite acting ridiculous. The doctor is an action hero, and must therefore be quite thin, so as to run around spaceships and such. Jo Martin isn't thin enough by any stretch of the imagination. Ignoring the obvious physical qualifications needed to play the Doctor when casting a POC isn't anti-racism, it's the exact opposite.
Sad realization: if Jo Martin doesn't get her own series, she's gonna join Paul McGann in the "Doctors that really should have gotten a TV run" category and people will never shut up about it.
At least Paul McGann got lots of cool stories in Big Finish. Perhaps they give her some audio stories as well. Hopefully. They also did this for John Hurt (real shame he didn't live to meet Derek Jacobi's War Master btw, but again Paul McGann did).
@@beesree39 Given the dearth of good writing on the TV series lately, they should just hand the whole show over to Big Finish. A multi-doctor story with McGann would be amazing.
Her lack of any real, coherent story and position within Who history has stopped her character getting her own storied for Big Finish, and they've REALLY wanted to use her.
I honestly do really hope Jo returns as a full Doctor, she really does a great job of catching the Doctor's presence and feels like her own character where I just feel Jodie feels like a bit of a caricature, in part possibly due to her own admission that she wasn't a big fan of the show before whereas Jo knows exactly who the Doctor is because she's watched since she was a kid. I feel like this is a lesson showrunner's should learn that unless someone has a good passion for the role and properly knows the character, then maybe they should question it a little
I don't want to gatekeep and say you HAVE to have seen x amount of Doctor Who before understanding the role... BUT it seems painfully clear that Jodie has hardly seen any Doctor Who, but you can tell Jo has
@@Joe_Brennan_ Yeah exactly, I don't think you _have_ to be a fan or even know a lot prior, but when everyone else in the role since new who has been a fan previously and seems to have much better understandings of the character it is clear that you have to either be the best of the best and/or know the Doctor well, and whilst Jodie is an amazing actress I don't think she fully grasps the role properly and can carry it with her performance alone where previous Doctors could make a subpar story more enjoyable
@@mikeymcdoable She has TOO MUCH gravitas, the Doctor isn't a college professor, the Doctor is an overgrown child, and acts like a child, since Troughton established the trope. All the doctors have had a certain childishness, even the most malicious 6th doctor. That balancing act between authoritativeness and childishness is what Jodie Whittaker does well, and Jo Martin can't really do, because she isn't the right type for the part.
@@desperatemohammedantheworl5833 how would it kill the show? She was the best bit of series 12 and having her return would intrigue enough people to watch the show and if she's well written 🤞🤞 it'll be a great boost to the show. And the female doctor hurdle has already been gotten over so that wouldn't stop it.
How? Easy, just have the 13th Doctor regenerate due to some form of enormous psychic attack which leaves 14 with scrambled memories and an arc of herself remembering her past.
@@Joe_Brennan_ I also would LOVE to see Jo as 14. Perhaps this idea: Jodie 13 becomes Jo 14. 14 find herself taken into the past to try to save the Timelords (that's why she was working for them,) but it's against her will so that's why she hides her identity and buries the Tardis. When she greets 13 at the buried Tardis, she just had her identity restored, but NOT her full memories. In order to truly hide from the timelords and the Judoon she hid her memories and her identity separately (and it STILL wasn't enough to hide her from the Judoon which shows how awesome they are as trackers.) This way it hopefully covers all the bases and perhaps gives a plausible answer as to what was going on.
At the first reveal of Jodie's Doctor, I thought, "Yes. She's going to be a bad-ass Doctor, who won't take crap from anyone." Boy, was I wrong, as she turned out all 'Disney'!
@XML studios This is a ridiculously common wrong take seeded by right-wing trolls. Jodie Whittaker did an excellent job, her best episode (Demons of the Punjab) shows what she is capable of when she has a good script, and even "Spyfall" and "Kerblam!" were passable thriller episodes. The real problem is the ridiculous "Chosen One" nonsense in the final episode. I actually admire Jo Martin for forcing me to believe she actually was also the Doctor, even though she is so miscast. I began to believe at the end. That's it. The whole 'Doctors before the first doctor' and 'Timeless Child' nonsense is absurd, it is extraordinarily destructive, and it turns Dr. Who into Harry Potter. Dr. Who is a self-made story born of socialist Britain. It isn't the "I come from a long line of NOBILITY!" white-Russian fantasy that Harry Potter represents. If it becomes that, even a little bit, it will lose it's entire fanbase and be cancelled permanently.
I think you've summed up my problems with the characterisation of Thirteen. She's like a Disney channel character. Even when they try to give her edge, she had to remain morally pure. It doesn't work at all.
@@donb7519 she can't be pre-hartnell. the tardis didn't get stuck as a police box until episode 2. i get that it could have been an oversight, but that's a pretty damn big oversight. imo she's not pre-hartnell
They set up the whole "last Time Lord" thing just to say "oops, lol nah" and then blow up Gallifrey anyway. They have no clue what the fuck they're doing.
I've never met someone else who felt EXACTLY the same way I do about Jodie/13. I think Jodie is a brilliant actor. I've seen her in Broadchurch and Black Mirror and clips of her Antigone role with Chris Eccleston, and she's so damn good in them. I was so over the moon when she was announced, but she's mostly fallen flat for me. She doesn't feel like the Doctor and I've been so sad about it. But G-d, when Jo Martin showed up, I just fell head over heels. IMMEDIATELY. She blew it out of the water. She was everything I love about the Doctor, charming and witty and clever and edgy and just absolutely amazing. She HAS to be back, she HAS to have her own series, even if it's just one, because she deserves to shine amongst the likes of Eccleston and McGann and Capaldi (my personal favorites).
Well no. Just assume for a moment she was a past incarnation, she could still be the 14th doctor too, we already know from the curator the doctor revisits at least a couple regeneration looks
I never really understood why 13 or Jo Martin didn't sit down and discuss their own timeline after the adventure. It's not like they were split up at the end. They decided to go their separate ways without any discussion :/
@@annaclarafenyo8185 IMO you have that backwards, Jo Martin felt like the Doctor from pretty much the first scene after the reveal. Jodie still doesn't feel like the Doctor after two seasons. Jodie feels like a fan playing Doctor Who in a very expensive fan film.
the doctor (for me) has a sense of authority and old soul energy and Jo just has IT I've had an idea for a while that i wouldn't mind them burning through doctors quicker, a couple single series arcs or even divide a series among two doctors id rather that than miss so many amazing actors that deserve a shot. Tilda Swinton was made for the role along with ever other role seemingly
I wholeheartedly agree that Jo Martin should be the next Doctor. All of the issues you talk about regarding representation is just compounded by the fact that Chibnull decided to make Ruth an incarnation of the Doctor on a whim during a call with Vinay Patel. (I also really hope that Martin never saw or heard about the article where he says that.)
In her few scenes, Jo Martin was miles ahead of Jodie's Doctor, in terms of interest, excitement, charisma, acting as well as sheer presence - not because shes Black but because she has more about her and stands out as being the Doctor.
Jo Martin seriously *rocked* as the Doctor. Definitely want her to be the 14th - preferrably in some way that undoes the stupid Timeless Child arc... surely there's got to be some way whereby the not remembering the 13th Doctor can be explained away.
I just realized that the Chameleon Arch would be the perfect way to explain why the Fugitive Doctor didn't recognize Thirteen. The Eighth Doctor had amnesia after his regeneration (just like Jodie), and thought he was half human. One of the explanations for this was a broken Chameleon Arch. So maybe Ruth forgot the essence of the Thirteenth Doctor, or messed it up so she thinks that _she_ is the 13th. Like when Jackson Lake thought that he was the Tenth Doctor.
She played the doctor so amazing! I even screamed when she exposed herself as The Doctor. Even her uniform was perfect. Everything about her worked so well with the doctors before thirteen. I’m sorry but something went wrong with the creation of 13.
I think Jo Martins could come just after the war doctor. It would explain how she was capable of fighting the judoon and why neither remembers the other
I didn't care if she was black, white, asian a man or a woman. As Doctor Who fans we know "the Doctor" when we see them. Jo Martin WAS the doctor. From the first, stand up strait, "Hello, I'm the Doctor" I said "Yes Ma'am you are!" Jodie never was. I think in BBC's efforts to ground break and make a female doctor they just gave it to someone who they thought might be ok. Not someone who deserves the role. Jo Martin absolutely deserves to be the Doctor. My God she was good.
I mean, she has to be a future Doctor, her TARDIS was a police box, and that happened with Hartnell. Chibnal wouldn't have done that for no reason, right? Chibbers? You thought about it, right? Chris?
I want Jo Martin as the 16th Doctor and there can be some sort of mind wipe plot witch would allow for these episode to have happened, then by the end of her run she will some how be able to remember again if RTD still want to be able to use past doctors in stories.
Like you, I’ve been desperate to like Jodie’s take on the Doctor but after 2 series I’m still not entirely sure on her. I’m still optimistic about series 13 like I always am when a new Series of Who comes out but It really feels to me that Jodie’s heart just really isn’t in this role Jo Martin though, as soon as she said ‘let’s take this from the top, hello, I am the Doctor’ I believed her
If -- what the Great Curator said -- it happens THIS soon, and the 13th goes back to the face of "Doctor Ruth," that would be a nice touch. The Doctor is immortal, and has access to time and space, which makes him/her a god. The powers that be in Gallifrey -- despite being grateful that they got their powers from the Doctor -- were afraid. So they "humbled" the Doctor, making him/her believe that after the 13th life, the Doctor will die, so they alter his/her mind, then kill the Doctor, starting the cycle again, but erasing memories of the last 13 adventures. But, due to the Time War, they couldn't alter the Doctor's mind after the "13th" life, so they had to improvise (the crack). That's my idea, in a nutshell. I doubt that Chibnall had the same idea.
Yes, I LOVED the fact that some people were saying "People are, like, hating on series 11? Because? Like? They're racist and misogynist?" And Jo Martin appears and we all say "Now THAT'S the Doctor. She's black and female? So? Who cares about crap like that? Who even notices that stuff? She's The Doctor, writ large. Book her. Now."
I completely agree. I never really clicked with the Thirteenth Doctor, but Jo Martin won me over right away. I think what it really boils down to The Doctor, no matter who plays them, can command the room. Jodie always felt like a side-character to her own show to me, but Jo Martin instantly makes her presence known and holds our attention.
@GamingWithChu She's in almost every scene, yes, but I just feel like when the other Doctors enter a room, you know they're the smartest person and the bravest and people notice them right away. They express this in different ways, but they enter a room and without even trying, they're the focus. I've just never really got that impression from the Thirteenth. Like she spends the entire finale of her second season imprisoned, barely says a word, then doesn't save the day at the end. The Tenth Doctor had a similar situation, but he had a plan and was playing The Master all along.
@@matthewvivian7235 _"she spends the entire finale of her second season imprisoned, barely says a word, then doesn't save the day at the end"_ - True, but she didn't write the story. That's Chibnall's fault.
@@ftumschk True, but I think with good actors like Jo Martin and Bradley Walsh, they can bring so much to their respective roles that they can kind of do some of his job for him and make you not notice the terrible writing as much. Like, I'm not a huge fan of Series 10, but Peter Capaldi is so inherently watchable.
Jo's Doctor could easily be the next Doctor and simply explain it by saying something like "I can't just keep saying "spoilers", I need to shake it up a bit."
Pre video comments: 100% agree, here's my own reasoning. from a storytelling standpoint: i just felt in 1 episode she had more of that doctor charisma than 13 did the majority of her series, and it feels like theres a story to tell with her opposed to 13 at this point who feels like theres only a story to tell about her. Also her tardis is a police box, i just don't see a non-contrived reason for it to be so pre-hartnell. from a personal/representation standpoint: When I saw Jo Martin announce herself as the doctor I was pretty exited from a representation standpoint. Capaldi will always be my favorite Doctor, but its nice especially in sci-fi to see a lead that looks like me ya know? However, I felt her utilization was really poor. Having her be more of a mayfly doctor, compared to all others having their own eras doesn't score points for me. At least with the War Doctor, he had a whole movie about him, not to mention the Big Finish line. like imagine if 13 was male and Ruth was played by Jodie, sure we have a female doctor, but it's only a cameo type appearance with little weight. Not exactly giving out awards for that. Then theres her next appearance in the timeless children where she checks all the boxes for the "Magic Negro" stereotype, not to mention she's a fugitive and that connotation of course the one black doctor is falsely or not on the wrong side of the law, just feels to me like they didn't think it through as much as they should have. That being said if if Jo Martin plays 14 a lot of those issues for me either are removed or at least reduced. Post video: completely agree about the toxic positivity and the barrage of child bipoc doctors being tortured and murdered. It's especially not great when we're basically told through Ruth and later Ryan (lets not forget what they have in common) that none of that matters cause she still the doctor accept it. Also, Not sure how to feel about that idea that assuming they changed her DNA to make her a time lady/lord after teteun & later the time lords finished with her, she then became a while male for 13 straight incarnations, something just doesn't sit right there
How can she be the doctor? The doctor is a small wiry childlike elf. She's a relatively big woman who project matronly authority, not childishness. She was completely miscast, but managed to play the part reasonably anyway, which is no small accolade to her acting skills.
@@annaclarafenyo8185 I going to assume your trolling since that makes no sense, but I have some free time so I’ll indulge a bit. “Small wiry childlike elf” 1st Doctor, childlike elf? Nope 2nd Doctor small childlike elf? Yes! But also quite manipulative when he wants to be. 3rd Doctor, small, childlike elf? Nope 4th Doctor small elf? Nope 5th Doctor small childlike elf? Nope 6th Doctor small wiry childlike elf? Nope 7th Doctor, childlike? On a surface level yes, if you pay attention, no. 8th Doctor small elf? Nope War Doctor small childlike elf? Nope. 9th Doctor small childlike elf? Nope. 10th Doctor small elf? Nope, and he certainly wasn’t childlike by his death. 11th Doctor small elf nope? Childlike? Yes, by design, old man in young mans body after all. 12th Doctor small childlike elf? Nope By your definition of the Doctor, until 13, barely any of them qualify under your requirements. Especially when only 3 main doctors have been what most people would argue short. (1,2,7) heck, even 13 isn’t short for the average woman’s height, she’s above it. And don’t get me started on the Fugitive Doctor being too authoritative. Rewatch the 1st, 3rd, 5th, 6th, 7th doctors or frankly any of the modern Doctors, especially 12 or 9, or 10 when he’s angry, and you know that’s just straight up not true. I mean hey if you like those traits in a Doctor that’s totally fine, but let’s not pretend that’s anywhere near the default
@@UgandanPrinc3 All the doctors were THIN, WIRY, CHILDLIKE elfs starting with number 2, because Troughton defined the role. Number 3 was the least like this, but from 4 on, it was established permanently. Jo Martin was terribly miscast, she has the wrong body type, and she doesn't have the alien features. It only works because of the element of surprise, if they had cast a weird looking person, like the Doctor always is (like Jodie Whittaker is, for instance), we would have seen the twist a mile away. I don't accept Jo Martin as a reasonable doctor, but I can see she did a pretty good job despite the miscasting.
@@annaclarafenyo8185 What in the actual fuck are you talking about? That has never been a "requirement" of the Doctor. Ever. At all. You've fabricated this nonsense in your head. You think Tom Baker is thin and wiry? You think Capaldi played the Doctor as "childlike"? Or Ecclestone? You're replied to a lot of comments and my takeaway is, like most racists, you're a coward hiding behind thin shit excuses for why Jo "can not" play the Doctor.
I feel that most of the modern Doctors have felt like the Doctor from the first episode. By the end of Rose you could totally buy Christopher Eccleston as the Doctor. There were so many great moments in the episode and it was a great re-introduction to the character. Tennant spent most of his first episode in a coma, however he was still able to feel like the Doctor, and the entire scene where he explained that he didn't know who he was yet was great in and out of character (as it was clearly also being used to explain regeneration to new fans). Smith was also brilliant from the start. The only Doctor's who didn't feel right from the start (IMO) were Capaldi and Whittaker, the only difference is that with Capaldi that was deliberate on behalf of the writers (which is why we had the scene with Smith). However, it wasn't long before you could start to see Capaldi was the Doctor (just that he was very different from the previous ones). We have had two seasons of Whittaker and she still doesn't feel like the Doctor - she comes across as someone playing the Doctor in a fan film where the writers and directors don't really understand the character. This is made even more apparent when we have Jo Martin come along and own the character from the very start.
The only way that Jo Martin works as "The Doctor" is if we go back to before the Hartnell regeneration. The best way to do this would be a spinoff of life before the Hartnell time. I want it, because she's an amazing Doctor, but still it can't be a future regeneration of Jodi.
If BBC gave me a job I would do this: Jo Martin is a future incarnation of the Doctor, the Division somehow rope her into working with them and messed with her memory hence why she doesn't remember 13. And we're dealing with the Timeless Child in this story too; the Doctor is not the Timeless Child, that was something the Master made up to mess with the Doctor's head, it's his way to get her attention; however, the Timeless Child is real and the Doctor finds a way to help them (maybe the Timeless Child is the Master, hence why he's so messed up)
Tbf it's difficult to determine the race of a people who evolved on a planet which is apparently like the serengeti all year round except it's always snowing.
The thing with Jo, she already doesn't make sense as pre hartnell. Pre hartnell wouldn't have the police box tardis. I'm for it, even if it means weirdness bringing back time lords again and stuff.
Jo Martin as the next incarnation would be brilliant and could even explain why a pre Hartnell Doctor's Tardis is stuck as a police box. Not only that but introducing the next Doctor halfway through another Doctor's run is a pretty smart way of skipping the fandoms inevitable and initial distain of incarnations. I loved Jo Martin's portrayal and even though I've really come round to like Jodie I think Jo Martin as the next Doctor would be an excellent return to a more aggressive and commanding incarnation.
That one clip of Ten opening the door, when watched with hindsight, completely defines his character. He opens it slowly and calmly, then smirks. He's calm and patient, but emotional and impulsive. He's also grandiose and sees himself as the centre of everything (that one's more camerawork, though.) Eleven is also defined by his first couple scenes. Him parading about the TARDIS with his new regeneration encapsulates his raw energy, the dangling from his crashing blue box, barely missing Big Ben (I know that's the name of the bell but I can't remember the name of the tower) shows his action and theatrics. Twelve, while not my favourite Doctor, also has this. He's sudden, but he takes his time before every move, as shown by the sudden change and him slowly approaching and inspecting Clara. Meanwhile, all Thirteen did was drop a ring, blink, then look at a panel. This shows... Nothing. She's bland.
@@petraw9792 Aside him stepping in at the end, to save the day just as Rose is about to die, or saving their lives and telling them about Pilot Fish, warning them of the incoming threat?
I mean, you could argue that the ring dropping indicates she stays alone (which contradicts having three companions), the panel looking that she goes straight to business, or likes to gather facts, but that's basically who The Doctor is. Solitary, intelligent, eager to solve problems. It's basically saying "New Doctor is here, intelligent, a hero, eager to solve problems" There's no substance to it, nothing unique.
By the way you can use the word politics in this context as it the meaning of the word. Most people assume it is to do with government and governing but they are seperate in meaning.
I certainly agree. Jo Martin was more the Doctor in her one episode than Whittaker has been in 3 season serieses. Then again, with the corrupted values of the character Whittaker has been playing, I’m convinced she could actually have been playing the Valeyard this entire time.
maybe when 13 is killed she's so injured she can't regenerate so Ruth Doctor has to give some of her regenerative energy to 13. 13 regenerates into Ruth Doctor and Ruth Doctor goes to Gallifrey presumably to become the first doctor.
Got a feeling that 14 might be Olly Alexander. His interviews with BBC keeps brining up the question of ‘would you play the Doctor?’. Something that happened a lot with Capaldi during Matt Smiths last year.
Jo Martin deserved so so much, nothing against Whittaker but i would be very pleased with Martin being the 13th since the beginning, she reminds me of Capaldi
There's also the alternative of just not having Jodie regenerate into Jo Martin, but rather go back in the Doctor's timeline and do a few series with Jo Martin, before coming back to do the "fourteenth" regeneration. It'd be a welcome break in structure, we could even have the Doctor encountering old foes again without actually knowing who they are, while they have a lot of beef with her.
I think such a break in formula would be a bit alienating for the casual audience, Doctor Who has always been a show that pushes itself forward, which is why I'm annoyed that the Timeless Children spent so much time focussing on the past
She literally nailed it in one episode, thats my Doctor, I don't know what it is she had that Jodie doesn't as the Doctor but she does! I wish they could make her work as the next one some how hopefully RTD can work it out 🤞
15:25 Gimme that meme. An idea I've just had to make Martin 14 would be that 13 sacrifices her incarnation's memories to regain her supposed pre-Hartnell memories. Problem with that is they need to make those Division memories personally matter to the Doctor to be somewhat satisfying for the audience. But yea I ain't a writer either aha lolz
The biggest problem I have with Jo Martin being pre-Hartnell is that mucks up the whole 13 regenerations and the Doctor being given a new regeneration cycle in The Time Of The Doctor.
Though War Doctor not working as a Doctor kinda makes sense since he wasn't the Doctor until the final scene right before he regenerated. Though the Fugitive Doctor does feel more organic.
I like the idea of Jo Martin being the 14th Doctor because it makes the masters claim of the timeless child have less weight behind them.Also her costume is cool
Jo Martin really had that spark from the moment she stepped on screen. 😭😭😭 She let us know what could have been. I tried so hard with Jodi and Chbnall. I just glad it's over.🤦
we know the doctor can regenerate the same form as shown when he regenerates as tennant from his severed hand, so maybe if jodie died next to jo martin the doctor would once again regenerate as the same form from jo martin so Jo would be a past doctor(possibly) and a future doctor
So the point which convinced me was that I was very willing to give 13 a chance. My mum was down on her but I just dismissed that based on assumed internalised misogyny (and lowkey a bit of racism). But she really liked Jo!
Great video as always. I feel the main thing holding Martin back as Doctor 14 is that we have in essence already seen her debut story, so any "first" story may feel a bit redundant: a 'Clara problem'. Add that to the ratings doing a good impression of that song about jumping a thousand feet without a parachute and you'd have the issue also of introducing her to a casual or new audience: "She's the new Doctor! Well, ish. Let me tell you about this story no-one watched." And yet... you're right, she nailed the role absolutely. No questions asked. And it *would* be a huge milestone whereas right now it's a plot point that raises more questions than anything else. I'm torn. I want it in some ways, but I cannot see it happening because of how it's started.
Thank you for watching, Nick! I doubt they'll actually give her the role, for all the reasons you mentioned and because of how tone deaf a lot of the decisions have been recently. But it's nice to dream about what could have been...
Is anyone else having this glitch where youtube fails to deliver some videos? No matter how I try to watch it, it ends up not working. Tries to load forever. But have some engagement anyway! Edit: It's working!
@@Joe_Brennan_ Yea they seem to be having an issue in the datacentre that is serving my connection it appears. It's the only explanation. A good margin of new videos fail to load for me on any device, until several hours later when suddenly they work. That's why I hypothesise that the different datacentres are having issues synching with each other.
Jo's charismatic even in her Tesco's advert! She has great screen presence not least in her fleeting appearance in The Timeless Children. I'd love to see her as the Doctor, particularly with a show runner who's more "up to the job". And the tokenism argument made by Dominic G. Martin and yourself is powerful.
i really hope Jo Martin is the 14th Doctor because she was amazing on the episode she appeared on and not only that she would be the First Female Black Doctor and it would be amazing if she is to be the Next Doctor, i dunno how to word this but I hope Doctor Who does make Jo Martin the Next Doctor she is the perfect fit for the role
What we actually need is a DW expanded universe.... Why can't we have a "Further Adventures" series that explored a variety of Doctors, companions or even villains in one off stories - David, Matt and Peter could easily pick up the mantle for an episode in a mixed bag of stories - even McGann could get one too..... anything is possible. But should Jo get a series - should she be the next Doctor? Absolutely - and what they should do which would totally throw a curve ball is kill of Jodie's Doc before the end of the next series and catch the audience totally off guard.... regenerate into Jo's Doctor and hit the ground running - how cool would that be?
I'm definitely late to the conversation, but imagine if the 14th Doctor wasn't announced before 13's final episode, and everyone is super excited to see who it is, and Jodie regenerates... and it's Jo Martin! And the doctor goes "wtf this makes no sense" and THATS the cliffhanger that kicks off RTD2. Everyone would flip their lid because A) JM's back and B) it means the Timeless Child will probably get retconned.
At the moment Jo Martin has the same status as Michael Jayston and John Hurt, which is to say that fans are aware that they exist but outside fandom nobody cares. Only the 13 series leads really 'count'. I agree that she would be fantastic and I'd like to see her get the role properly, so she gets a fantastic era of her own and doesn't just end up a footnote. I think that would be a real shame.
If Jo Martian was the fourteenth doctor, I would imagine a couple of scenarios of how the director and BBC studios themselves could fix her canon appearance, timeline, etc. If she was using the chameleon arch to erase her memories temporally, some side effects could've altered her mind. And if this was close enough to just after regeneration, she could have short-term memory like how other Doctors did have when they first appeared in an episode of their arcs. But that's my opinion. Still think it's one of things that may work best somehow
@@TheConfusedAdipose Thank you so much! And Rian is a an absolute nightmare when it comes to filming because the camera consistently decides he's more worthy of focus than I am, which I don't necessarily disagree with...
I don't think dislike of the 13th Doctor is sexist right off the bat. She's easily the weakest incarnation of the new who era but that doesn't necessarily make her bad. I think she's had some pretty good stories but they've mostly been just okay. I'd love the fugitive Doctor to be the 14th Doctor. It took a matter of seconds for me to recognize her as the Doctor. I haven't felt that instant recognition since Matt Smith.
They could do to her what they did with the Master, you know how Missy didn't remember being killed by her previous incarnation. Obviously it'd require some shenanigans to make it work in this situation since Missy did remember being that previous incarnation, but that's fine.
I agree I think Jo Martin would be a good Doctor. I think Jodie is a great actress, but I just don't think the role suites her. In my opinion the success of any doctor is based on two things. The first one is screen presence, when they walk in to a scene everyone has to notice them and people should stop and listen to them. The Doctor should command situations in a confident way, and not leave people in doubt of his or her ability. However this confident, commanding Doctor needs another element to balance their personality. The other thing for the success of the doctor is that viewers need to like to Doctor. If the Doctor is too confident or commanding, they may come off as being too arrogant. It s a fine balance, but I think the counter balance to the confident, commanding personality is a respect for others. Over the very many years I think all Doctors have had various combinations of the above, some very respectful, and very nice, but not commanding enough. Some Doctors have come across as too arrogant. I think for me the two best Doctors who hit the best combination of the above were Tom Baker and David Tenant. They were commanding, confident, had great screen presence and where likeable. Jodie for me was very likeable, but she had very little screen presence. However I would agree Jo Martin seems to have a good screen presence.
You hit the nail directly on the head which is a hard thing to do especially considering their so small. I personally adore Jodie as the Doctor but I can see why she isn’t for everyone and the writing is certainly letting her down. Jo Martin would be excellent as the Doctor though especially if she kept that beautiful gem of a TARDIS.
I'm just gonna have to be the one black guy to say it, but a black Doctor isn't as a matter of course, necessary or needed. My problem with this notion is the same as my problem with the jump to representational changes across the entertainment divide to change popular characters into people of different color gender, and sexual identity: it ignores the need for new characters to fill those roles, and more often than not, are written as social justice fan fiction rather than a fully formed character with hopes and motivations. I didn't need black Cap, (though if it happened, the kid in the New Avengers that is descended from Isiah Bradley would have been a much easier and more logical choice) And I would have loved them actually making the Falcon matter more as a character without the shield. I'm absolutely fine with representation, but I loathe lip service that leads to people patting themselves on the back in story form. That having been said, Fugitive of the Judoon is the only episode of Chibnall era Who I can say I unabashedly like. And the reason isn't that Jo Martin got to be the first black female doctor, it's because Chibnall wrote this Doctor and she was credibly and convincingly played by a black woman. She feels more like the Doctor than Whittaker has her whole run and she's appeared twice. The combination of a well written character and a change in race and gender worked here because the reveal was made by a Doctor that felt genuinely written and an actress that made the transition seamless. Moffat introduced the idea of a Time Lord transition from a white man to a black woman in Hell Bent, and what made it work was the seamlessness of the character. It made the fact that it was a different race and color secondary to the story, which is the best way to write it. The General felt like the same person in both forms, because they were written as the same person. I would love Jo Martin as the next Doctor, but it has nothing to do with her sex, or her race. It's because in one episode she demonstrated the ability to steal the scenes and command the role. Something Jodie has yet to do in over 2 seasons.
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The doctor is vain, the doctor is weird, the doctor is childlike, and the doctor is skinny. Jo Martin isn't distinctive or strange looking, she looks like a completely ordinary woman you could meet day-to-day, she isn't thin enough to play the character, and she can't be childlike and authoritative at the same time. While not necessarily "hot", the doctor's incarnations are always distinctive looking enough to stick out like a sore thumb standing in line at a bank, and Jo Martin doesn't at all, I wouldn't blink twice if I saw her in line behind me. Jodie Whittaker does. She looks as surreal in her face and expressions as Capaldi or Smith or Tom Baker. A Ruth Negga or Adelayo Adedayo or Thandie Newton would likely work in this respect just as well as Whittaker.
I suspect the casting director had the idea that being a black person compensates for not being strange-looking or childlike. No. No. No. An ordinary-looking un-childlike overweight doctor doesn't convince, in either male or female form.
The fact that you think The Timeless Child doesn't BREAK The Doctor Who lore is concerning.
@@HonkHonkler I HATE IT
@@Joe_Brennan_ Alright, fair enough I jumped to conclusions, my bad. It's just hard to find ANYTHING positive about ANYTHING that happened in Jodie's run. And the Timeless Child completely destroyed it, so it's hard to take anything positive from like Jo Martin's doctor. Especially since we know she wasn't the next doctor (even though I wouldn't want her as the next either), but one even BEFORE the numbered Doctors.
It's astonishing, that Jo Martin made more impact as The Doctor in one episode, than JW has in two series and two specials. I don't care what colour or gender The Doctor is, as long as they inhabit the part and make it work.
She is not skinny enough, childlike enough, or strange looking enough to ever be cast as the doctor.
@@annaclarafenyo8185 Her not being too childlike is a plus in my book. They keep trying to top themselves in that regard, to the point "Doctory" dialogue has been consumed with one liners and line references to previous stories, when I think a Doctor like 7 is much more called for, esp if we are saddled with Chibnall for a while. That kind of Doctor would play far more to the current era's strengths whereas Jodie seems to almost clash tonally in every scene. A Doctor that can be silly sometimes, but for the most part is serious and scheming... And what we saw of Jo Martin absolutely fits that bill.
@@parrot998 If you want a serious Doctor, Jo Martin needs to lose 2 stone, then I'd say she can play the part. I still won't buy her jumping over bridges, and I still don't see her as alien-looking, but that might get better as she pulls more faces, like it did with Tennant.
@XML studios Capaldi's doctor was somewhat childlike, he played the electric guitar, he had those ridiculous sonic glasses. He had naivete in trusting Missy. Perhaps "teenlike" is more appropriate. I didn't think he was a great casting choice, but he did okay, because the writing was really good, better than the Smith years.
@@annaclarafenyo8185 people said the same about capaldi.
Jo Martin's "I know, shut up" makes her feel more like The Doctor
Jodie Whittaker is honestly just a blank canvas, she's just exposition, whimsical comments and pop culture references.
I hate to be overly negative but I can't help but agree
@@Joe_Brennan_ she really reminds me of Peter Davidson in his first season, rather baffled and unsure about what kind of character she's trying to portray. Just with worse writing.
Jodie Whittaker is an excellent actress, and is completely persuasive as the Doctor. Jo Martin is a fine actress, but she is totally miscast, and can never be persuasive as the doctor, as she isn't skinny enough to play the part, and she isn't weird looking at all, unlike Capaldi, Smith, Whittaker, Tennant, and all the doctor actors, who look like space aliens just from their weird-ass faces and facial expressions.
@@annaclarafenyo8185 There's a LOT to unpack here.
1. You prefer the white, underdeveloped shallow character over the black badass
2. Fat shaming
3. Calling actors weird looking
I genuinely feel like you're either a skinny white conservative living on your Dad's money, or an insecure fat racist.
Pick one.
@@HedeccaTamer Jo Martin's character is not "badass", she isn't a doctor at all. The Doctor is childlike, and projects authority despite acting ridiculous.
The doctor is an action hero, and must therefore be quite thin, so as to run around spaceships and such. Jo Martin isn't thin enough by any stretch of the imagination.
Ignoring the obvious physical qualifications needed to play the Doctor when casting a POC isn't anti-racism, it's the exact opposite.
Sad realization: if Jo Martin doesn't get her own series, she's gonna join Paul McGann in the "Doctors that really should have gotten a TV run" category and people will never shut up about it.
Here's to hoping the "revisiting old faces" thing gives us McGann
At least Paul McGann got lots of cool stories in Big Finish. Perhaps they give her some audio stories as well. Hopefully. They also did this for John Hurt (real shame he didn't live to meet Derek Jacobi's War Master btw, but again Paul McGann did).
@@beesree39 Given the dearth of good writing on the TV series lately, they should just hand the whole show over to Big Finish. A multi-doctor story with McGann would be amazing.
Her lack of any real, coherent story and position within Who history has stopped her character getting her own storied for Big Finish, and they've REALLY wanted to use her.
Big Finish are doing some stories with her now! Maybe, like McGann, they make her popular enough that she gets a “Night of the Doctor” or more.
Jo Martin restored my faith that a female doctor could work. Have very much the same feelings about 13
I honestly do really hope Jo returns as a full Doctor, she really does a great job of catching the Doctor's presence and feels like her own character where I just feel Jodie feels like a bit of a caricature, in part possibly due to her own admission that she wasn't a big fan of the show before whereas Jo knows exactly who the Doctor is because she's watched since she was a kid. I feel like this is a lesson showrunner's should learn that unless someone has a good passion for the role and properly knows the character, then maybe they should question it a little
I don't want to gatekeep and say you HAVE to have seen x amount of Doctor Who before understanding the role... BUT it seems painfully clear that Jodie has hardly seen any Doctor Who, but you can tell Jo has
@@Joe_Brennan_ Yeah exactly, I don't think you _have_ to be a fan or even know a lot prior, but when everyone else in the role since new who has been a fan previously and seems to have much better understandings of the character it is clear that you have to either be the best of the best and/or know the Doctor well, and whilst Jodie is an amazing actress I don't think she fully grasps the role properly and can carry it with her performance alone where previous Doctors could make a subpar story more enjoyable
@@ItsMeHarry this is exactly why peter capaldi resonated with me so strongly even at its worst moments he always felt like the doctor.
I read somewhere she was a fan of Capaldi and I can really see his gravitas in her performance.
@@mikeymcdoable She has TOO MUCH gravitas, the Doctor isn't a college professor, the Doctor is an overgrown child, and acts like a child, since Troughton established the trope. All the doctors have had a certain childishness, even the most malicious 6th doctor. That balancing act between authoritativeness and childishness is what Jodie Whittaker does well, and Jo Martin can't really do, because she isn't the right type for the part.
Her costume is also STUNNING. I would easily watch doctor who again.
If we're retconning can we get rid of the doctor being the super speshul child
I might see if I can find a shirt that matches the colour of hers
Jo martin is an absolutely perfect casting and easily the best dressed doctor. 100% should be the 14th or 15th doctor
Nah. I think it would finally kill New Who. Interested to see Joe's reasoning though.
@@desperatemohammedantheworl5833 how would it kill the show? She was the best bit of series 12 and having her return would intrigue enough people to watch the show and if she's well written 🤞🤞 it'll be a great boost to the show. And the female doctor hurdle has already been gotten over so that wouldn't stop it.
@@greghawkins59 the best bit of an absolutely abysmal series.
@@joshuareynolds23 yep but she was still good tho
@@desperatemohammedantheworl5833 how?
How? Easy, just have the 13th Doctor regenerate due to some form of enormous psychic attack which leaves 14 with scrambled memories and an arc of herself remembering her past.
That idea could be really interesting. There are so many possibilities and I’m not sure I’d mind any of them
@@Joe_Brennan_ I also would LOVE to see Jo as 14. Perhaps this idea: Jodie 13 becomes Jo 14. 14 find herself taken into the past to try to save the Timelords (that's why she was working for them,) but it's against her will so that's why she hides her identity and buries the Tardis. When she greets 13 at the buried Tardis, she just had her identity restored, but NOT her full memories. In order to truly hide from the timelords and the Judoon she hid her memories and her identity separately (and it STILL wasn't enough to hide her from the Judoon which shows how awesome they are as trackers.) This way it hopefully covers all the bases and perhaps gives a plausible answer as to what was going on.
Your video got me to think. What if Jo Martin was the 13th Doctor from get go.
At the first reveal of Jodie's Doctor, I thought, "Yes. She's going to be a bad-ass Doctor, who won't take crap from anyone."
Boy, was I wrong, as she turned out all 'Disney'!
Jodie Whittaker does an excellent job. She isn't the writer of the season.
@XML studios This is a ridiculously common wrong take seeded by right-wing trolls. Jodie Whittaker did an excellent job, her best episode (Demons of the Punjab) shows what she is capable of when she has a good script, and even "Spyfall" and "Kerblam!" were passable thriller episodes.
The real problem is the ridiculous "Chosen One" nonsense in the final episode. I actually admire Jo Martin for forcing me to believe she actually was also the Doctor, even though she is so miscast. I began to believe at the end. That's it.
The whole 'Doctors before the first doctor' and 'Timeless Child' nonsense is absurd, it is extraordinarily destructive, and it turns Dr. Who into Harry Potter. Dr. Who is a self-made story born of socialist Britain. It isn't the "I come from a long line of NOBILITY!" white-Russian fantasy that Harry Potter represents. If it becomes that, even a little bit, it will lose it's entire fanbase and be cancelled permanently.
@XML studios It comes from Missy's line in the previous season "Not all of us can afford the upgrade...", it's a time-lord joke.
@@TPH250290 You are objectively wrong.
I think you've summed up my problems with the characterisation of Thirteen. She's like a Disney channel character. Even when they try to give her edge, she had to remain morally pure. It doesn't work at all.
For someone who says they don't listen to fan feedback, Chibnall was awfully quick to debunk the Parallel universe theory.
It only mattered when people were devaluing his progressive milestone
I am 95% confident it will be Jo Martin. It seems unlikely that they would set up an entire incarnation of the doctor without using her.
I hope you're right
That assumes theyre really planning at all and i feel like she was supposed to be pre hartnell
@@donb7519 she can't be pre-hartnell. the tardis didn't get stuck as a police box until episode 2. i get that it could have been an oversight, but that's a pretty damn big oversight. imo she's not pre-hartnell
They set up the whole "last Time Lord" thing just to say "oops, lol nah" and then blow up Gallifrey anyway. They have no clue what the fuck they're doing.
With an audience of basically zero
I've never met someone else who felt EXACTLY the same way I do about Jodie/13. I think Jodie is a brilliant actor. I've seen her in Broadchurch and Black Mirror and clips of her Antigone role with Chris Eccleston, and she's so damn good in them. I was so over the moon when she was announced, but she's mostly fallen flat for me. She doesn't feel like the Doctor and I've been so sad about it. But G-d, when Jo Martin showed up, I just fell head over heels. IMMEDIATELY. She blew it out of the water. She was everything I love about the Doctor, charming and witty and clever and edgy and just absolutely amazing. She HAS to be back, she HAS to have her own series, even if it's just one, because she deserves to shine amongst the likes of Eccleston and McGann and Capaldi (my personal favorites).
The best thing about Jo being the Doctor would be that it would retcon the timeless child. Or at least start the retconning.
Well no. Just assume for a moment she was a past incarnation, she could still be the 14th doctor too, we already know from the curator the doctor revisits at least a couple regeneration looks
@@jasonbolding3481 It wouldn't _necessarily_ retcon, but it certainly could. And should.
That in it of itself would be a great reason for her to be the next Doctor.
Definitely! Bring in Jo as the Doctor and retcon the Timeless Child.
I never really understood why 13 or Jo Martin didn't sit down and discuss their own timeline after the adventure. It's not like they were split up at the end. They decided to go their separate ways without any discussion :/
Imagine being outshone by a character that was in one and a bit episodes.
It's not a great reflection on Jodie, but maybe Jo is just that good
@@Joe_Brennan_ or maybe jodie is just that crap. either way, one of these actors is clearly better than the other for the role.
She wasn't outshone, Jo Martin was obviously and painfully miscast.
@@oxenford539 Porque no los dos?
@@annaclarafenyo8185 IMO you have that backwards, Jo Martin felt like the Doctor from pretty much the first scene after the reveal. Jodie still doesn't feel like the Doctor after two seasons. Jodie feels like a fan playing Doctor Who in a very expensive fan film.
"I don't want to sound entitled but do what I want or else" genius
the doctor (for me) has a sense of authority and old soul energy and Jo just has IT
I've had an idea for a while that i wouldn't mind them burning through doctors quicker, a couple single series arcs or even divide a series among two doctors id rather that than miss so many amazing actors that deserve a shot. Tilda Swinton was made for the role along with ever other role seemingly
I wholeheartedly agree that Jo Martin should be the next Doctor. All of the issues you talk about regarding representation is just compounded by the fact that Chibnull decided to make Ruth an incarnation of the Doctor on a whim during a call with Vinay Patel. (I also really hope that Martin never saw or heard about the article where he says that.)
In her few scenes, Jo Martin was miles ahead of Jodie's Doctor, in terms of interest, excitement, charisma, acting as well as sheer presence - not because shes Black but because she has more about her and stands out as being the Doctor.
I BLOODY LOVE Jo Martin as the Doctor
Jo Martin seriously *rocked* as the Doctor. Definitely want her to be the 14th - preferrably in some way that undoes the stupid Timeless Child arc... surely there's got to be some way whereby the not remembering the 13th Doctor can be explained away.
I just realized that the Chameleon Arch would be the perfect way to explain why the Fugitive Doctor didn't recognize Thirteen. The Eighth Doctor had amnesia after his regeneration (just like Jodie), and thought he was half human. One of the explanations for this was a broken Chameleon Arch. So maybe Ruth forgot the essence of the Thirteenth Doctor, or messed it up so she thinks that _she_ is the 13th. Like when Jackson Lake thought that he was the Tenth Doctor.
I don't think I've ever seen a sci-fi fan commentary where I agreed deeply and strongly with every single word. Thank you for making this.
Thank you for watching! I appreciate the support
Excellent video Joe! You really knocked it out of the park with this one, some really well made points with strong reasoning behind them. Well done!
Thank you, my friend, that is kind and nice
She played the doctor so amazing! I even screamed when she exposed herself as The Doctor. Even her uniform was perfect. Everything about her worked so well with the doctors before thirteen. I’m sorry but something went wrong with the creation of 13.
Great video. I strongly agree that Jo Martin needs to be the next Doctor, but only if BENNI is her sidekick. Otherwise it just won't work.
Thank you for watching, Spicy Meat Entertainment! I appreciate the comment, and the username
aw hell no. Could not disagree more
I think Jo Martins could come just after the war doctor. It would explain how she was capable of fighting the judoon and why neither remembers the other
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I agree. I hate that I get lumped in with the baddies because of taste.
I didn't care if she was black, white, asian a man or a woman. As Doctor Who fans we know "the Doctor" when we see them. Jo Martin WAS the doctor. From the first, stand up strait, "Hello, I'm the Doctor" I said "Yes Ma'am you are!" Jodie never was. I think in BBC's efforts to ground break and make a female doctor they just gave it to someone who they thought might be ok. Not someone who deserves the role. Jo Martin absolutely deserves to be the Doctor. My God she was good.
I mean, she has to be a future Doctor, her TARDIS was a police box, and that happened with Hartnell. Chibnal wouldn't have done that for no reason, right? Chibbers? You thought about it, right? Chris?
I want Jo Martin as the 16th Doctor and there can be some sort of mind wipe plot witch would allow for these episode to have happened, then by the end of her run she will some how be able to remember again if RTD still want to be able to use past doctors in stories.
man you’re really funny and your reviews are so thoughtful, i’m enjoying them all!
Like you, I’ve been desperate to like Jodie’s take on the Doctor but after 2 series I’m still not entirely sure on her. I’m still optimistic about series 13 like I always am when a new Series of Who comes out but It really feels to me that Jodie’s heart just really isn’t in this role
Jo Martin though, as soon as she said ‘let’s take this from the top, hello, I am the Doctor’ I believed her
It's really interesting that this has happened to so many people
To sort of paraphrase the Godfather, " It's not that Jodie Whitaker was a bad doctor, it's that Chibnall was a bad showrunner and writer . . . "
If -- what the Great Curator said -- it happens THIS soon, and the 13th goes back to the face of "Doctor Ruth," that would be a nice touch.
The Doctor is immortal, and has access to time and space, which makes him/her a god. The powers that be in Gallifrey -- despite being grateful that they got their powers from the Doctor -- were afraid. So they "humbled" the Doctor, making him/her believe that after the 13th life, the Doctor will die, so they alter his/her mind, then kill the Doctor, starting the cycle again, but erasing memories of the last 13 adventures. But, due to the Time War, they couldn't alter the Doctor's mind after the "13th" life, so they had to improvise (the crack). That's my idea, in a nutshell. I doubt that Chibnall had the same idea.
Who knows what Chibnall is thinking at any time
Yes, I LOVED the fact that some people were saying "People are, like, hating on series 11? Because? Like? They're racist and misogynist?" And Jo Martin appears and we all say "Now THAT'S the Doctor. She's black and female? So? Who cares about crap like that? Who even notices that stuff? She's The Doctor, writ large. Book her. Now."
I completely agree. I never really clicked with the Thirteenth Doctor, but Jo Martin won me over right away. I think what it really boils down to The Doctor, no matter who plays them, can command the room. Jodie always felt like a side-character to her own show to me, but Jo Martin instantly makes her presence known and holds our attention.
@GamingWithChu She's in almost every scene, yes, but I just feel like when the other Doctors enter a room, you know they're the smartest person and the bravest and people notice them right away. They express this in different ways, but they enter a room and without even trying, they're the focus. I've just never really got that impression from the Thirteenth. Like she spends the entire finale of her second season imprisoned, barely says a word, then doesn't save the day at the end. The Tenth Doctor had a similar situation, but he had a plan and was playing The Master all along.
@@matthewvivian7235 _"she spends the entire finale of her second season imprisoned, barely says a word, then doesn't save the day at the end"_ - True, but she didn't write the story. That's Chibnall's fault.
@@ftumschk Yeah, I'm not a fan of the character the way she's written or the way she's acted.
@@matthewvivian7235 The thing is, unless Chibnall goes, we're likely to be stuck with similarly underwhelming writing for the foreseeable future.
@@ftumschk True, but I think with good actors like Jo Martin and Bradley Walsh, they can bring so much to their respective roles that they can kind of do some of his job for him and make you not notice the terrible writing as much. Like, I'm not a huge fan of Series 10, but Peter Capaldi is so inherently watchable.
Jo's Doctor could easily be the next Doctor and simply explain it by saying something like "I can't just keep saying "spoilers", I need to shake it up a bit."
are characters still saying that infuriatingly smug phrase "spoilers" in DW?
@@sibionic spoilers
Pre video comments: 100% agree, here's my own reasoning.
from a storytelling standpoint: i just felt in 1 episode she had more of that doctor charisma than 13 did the majority of her series, and it feels like theres a story to tell with her opposed to 13 at this point who feels like theres only a story to tell about her. Also her tardis is a police box, i just don't see a non-contrived reason for it to be so pre-hartnell.
from a personal/representation standpoint: When I saw Jo Martin announce herself as the doctor I was pretty exited from a representation standpoint. Capaldi will always be my favorite Doctor, but its nice especially in sci-fi to see a lead that looks like me ya know? However, I felt her utilization was really poor. Having her be more of a mayfly doctor, compared to all others having their own eras doesn't score points for me. At least with the War Doctor, he had a whole movie about him, not to mention the Big Finish line. like imagine if 13 was male and Ruth was played by Jodie, sure we have a female doctor, but it's only a cameo type appearance with little weight. Not exactly giving out awards for that.
Then theres her next appearance in the timeless children where she checks all the boxes for the "Magic Negro" stereotype, not to mention she's a fugitive and that connotation of course the one black doctor is falsely or not on the wrong side of the law, just feels to me like they didn't think it through as much as they should have.
That being said if if Jo Martin plays 14 a lot of those issues for me either are removed or at least reduced.
Post video: completely agree about the toxic positivity and the barrage of child bipoc doctors being tortured and murdered. It's especially not great when we're basically told through Ruth and later Ryan (lets not forget what they have in common) that none of that matters cause she still the doctor accept it. Also, Not sure how to feel about that idea that assuming they changed her DNA to make her a time lady/lord after teteun & later the time lords finished with her, she then became a while male for 13 straight incarnations, something just doesn't sit right there
I'm glad you agree! It's funny that your pre-video comment made very similar points to the ones I made, means I'm definitely not alone on the matter
How can she be the doctor? The doctor is a small wiry childlike elf. She's a relatively big woman who project matronly authority, not childishness. She was completely miscast, but managed to play the part reasonably anyway, which is no small accolade to her acting skills.
@@annaclarafenyo8185
I going to assume your trolling since that makes no sense, but I have some free time so I’ll indulge a bit.
“Small wiry childlike elf”
1st Doctor, childlike elf? Nope
2nd Doctor small childlike elf? Yes! But also quite manipulative when he wants to be.
3rd Doctor, small, childlike elf? Nope
4th Doctor small elf? Nope
5th Doctor small childlike elf? Nope
6th Doctor small wiry childlike elf? Nope
7th Doctor, childlike? On a surface level yes, if you pay attention, no.
8th Doctor small elf? Nope
War Doctor small childlike elf? Nope.
9th Doctor small childlike elf? Nope.
10th Doctor small elf? Nope, and he certainly wasn’t childlike by his death.
11th Doctor small elf nope? Childlike? Yes, by design, old man in young mans body after all.
12th Doctor small childlike elf? Nope
By your definition of the Doctor, until 13, barely any of them qualify under your requirements. Especially when only 3 main doctors have been what most people would argue short. (1,2,7) heck, even 13 isn’t short for the average woman’s height, she’s above it.
And don’t get me started on the Fugitive Doctor being too authoritative. Rewatch the 1st, 3rd, 5th, 6th, 7th doctors or frankly any of the modern Doctors, especially 12 or 9, or 10 when he’s angry, and you know that’s just straight up not true.
I mean hey if you like those traits in a Doctor that’s totally fine, but let’s not pretend that’s anywhere near the default
@@UgandanPrinc3 All the doctors were THIN, WIRY, CHILDLIKE elfs starting with number 2, because Troughton defined the role. Number 3 was the least like this, but from 4 on, it was established permanently. Jo Martin was terribly miscast, she has the wrong body type, and she doesn't have the alien features. It only works because of the element of surprise, if they had cast a weird looking person, like the Doctor always is (like Jodie Whittaker is, for instance), we would have seen the twist a mile away.
I don't accept Jo Martin as a reasonable doctor, but I can see she did a pretty good job despite the miscasting.
@@annaclarafenyo8185 What in the actual fuck are you talking about? That has never been a "requirement" of the Doctor. Ever. At all. You've fabricated this nonsense in your head. You think Tom Baker is thin and wiry? You think Capaldi played the Doctor as "childlike"? Or Ecclestone? You're replied to a lot of comments and my takeaway is, like most racists, you're a coward hiding behind thin shit excuses for why Jo "can not" play the Doctor.
Completely unrelated but no one will ever convince me not to read or hear his name as Chris Chinball
Thanks for that. Now that's how I'll always hear it. 🤣
I feel that most of the modern Doctors have felt like the Doctor from the first episode. By the end of Rose you could totally buy Christopher Eccleston as the Doctor. There were so many great moments in the episode and it was a great re-introduction to the character. Tennant spent most of his first episode in a coma, however he was still able to feel like the Doctor, and the entire scene where he explained that he didn't know who he was yet was great in and out of character (as it was clearly also being used to explain regeneration to new fans). Smith was also brilliant from the start.
The only Doctor's who didn't feel right from the start (IMO) were Capaldi and Whittaker, the only difference is that with Capaldi that was deliberate on behalf of the writers (which is why we had the scene with Smith). However, it wasn't long before you could start to see Capaldi was the Doctor (just that he was very different from the previous ones).
We have had two seasons of Whittaker and she still doesn't feel like the Doctor - she comes across as someone playing the Doctor in a fan film where the writers and directors don't really understand the character. This is made even more apparent when we have Jo Martin come along and own the character from the very start.
The only way that Jo Martin works as "The Doctor" is if we go back to before the Hartnell regeneration. The best way to do this would be a spinoff of life before the Hartnell time. I want it, because she's an amazing Doctor, but still it can't be a future regeneration of Jodi.
If BBC gave me a job I would do this: Jo Martin is a future incarnation of the Doctor, the Division somehow rope her into working with them and messed with her memory hence why she doesn't remember 13. And we're dealing with the Timeless Child in this story too; the Doctor is not the Timeless Child, that was something the Master made up to mess with the Doctor's head, it's his way to get her attention; however, the Timeless Child is real and the Doctor finds a way to help them (maybe the Timeless Child is the Master, hence why he's so messed up)
Tbf it's difficult to determine the race of a people who evolved on a planet which is apparently like the serengeti all year round except it's always snowing.
Jo Martin will probably become like the valeyard. Not McGann
She gave me chills. I love her. And passed regenerations can't retain the info when they interact with one another
The thing with Jo, she already doesn't make sense as pre hartnell. Pre hartnell wouldn't have the police box tardis. I'm for it, even if it means weirdness bringing back time lords again and stuff.
Jo Martin as the next incarnation would be brilliant and could even explain why a pre Hartnell Doctor's Tardis is stuck as a police box. Not only that but introducing the next Doctor halfway through another Doctor's run is a pretty smart way of skipping the fandoms inevitable and initial distain of incarnations. I loved Jo Martin's portrayal and even though I've really come round to like Jodie I think Jo Martin as the next Doctor would be an excellent return to a more aggressive and commanding incarnation.
Jo Martin is a strong presence that doesn't take crap from anyone which is what the doctor should be
That one clip of Ten opening the door, when watched with hindsight, completely defines his character.
He opens it slowly and calmly, then smirks. He's calm and patient, but emotional and impulsive. He's also grandiose and sees himself as the centre of everything (that one's more camerawork, though.)
Eleven is also defined by his first couple scenes. Him parading about the TARDIS with his new regeneration encapsulates his raw energy, the dangling from his crashing blue box, barely missing Big Ben (I know that's the name of the bell but I can't remember the name of the tower) shows his action and theatrics.
Twelve, while not my favourite Doctor, also has this. He's sudden, but he takes his time before every move, as shown by the sudden change and him slowly approaching and inspecting Clara.
Meanwhile, all Thirteen did was drop a ring, blink, then look at a panel. This shows... Nothing. She's bland.
To be fair, Ten slept through his first adventure. Which only highlights that Rose (and Jackie) could carry an episode on her own.
@@petraw9792 Aside him stepping in at the end, to save the day just as Rose is about to die, or saving their lives and telling them about Pilot Fish, warning them of the incoming threat?
I mean, you could argue that the ring dropping indicates she stays alone (which contradicts having three companions), the panel looking that she goes straight to business, or likes to gather facts, but that's basically who The Doctor is. Solitary, intelligent, eager to solve problems. It's basically saying "New Doctor is here, intelligent, a hero, eager to solve problems"
There's no substance to it, nothing unique.
By the way you can use the word politics in this context as it the meaning of the word. Most people assume it is to do with government and governing but they are seperate in meaning.
I certainly agree. Jo Martin was more the Doctor in her one episode than Whittaker has been in 3 season serieses. Then again, with the corrupted values of the character Whittaker has been playing, I’m convinced she could actually have been playing the Valeyard this entire time.
I agree 10000% that she should be 14 because she just that doctor sparks that Smith, Tennant, and Capaldi had on their first time on screen.
maybe when 13 is killed she's so injured she can't regenerate so Ruth Doctor has to give some of her regenerative energy to 13. 13 regenerates into Ruth Doctor and Ruth Doctor goes to Gallifrey presumably to become the first doctor.
Got a feeling that 14 might be Olly Alexander. His interviews with BBC keeps brining up the question of ‘would you play the Doctor?’. Something that happened a lot with Capaldi during Matt Smiths last year.
"I saw the spark and was reassured that I do not, in fact, hate women."
I don't know if that was intended to be hilarious but it damn well was.
Jo Martin deserved so so much, nothing against Whittaker but i would be very pleased with Martin being the 13th since the beginning, she reminds me of Capaldi
People STILL ask me:
"Oh that's with the new one who's a woman right?"
She's already regenerated!
i wish your on cam mic was a clear as the voice over mic
it is now, this was just as i was getting started
There's also the alternative of just not having Jodie regenerate into Jo Martin, but rather go back in the Doctor's timeline and do a few series with Jo Martin, before coming back to do the "fourteenth" regeneration. It'd be a welcome break in structure, we could even have the Doctor encountering old foes again without actually knowing who they are, while they have a lot of beef with her.
I think such a break in formula would be a bit alienating for the casual audience, Doctor Who has always been a show that pushes itself forward, which is why I'm annoyed that the Timeless Children spent so much time focussing on the past
She literally nailed it in one episode, thats my Doctor, I don't know what it is she had that Jodie doesn't as the Doctor but she does! I wish they could make her work as the next one some how hopefully RTD can work it out 🤞
15:25 Gimme that meme.
An idea I've just had to make Martin 14 would be that 13 sacrifices her incarnation's memories to regain her supposed pre-Hartnell memories. Problem with that is they need to make those Division memories personally matter to the Doctor to be somewhat satisfying for the audience. But yea I ain't a writer either aha lolz
If they removed the whole timeless child BS I’d love to see her as a doctor
Peter Capaldi was the 13th Doctor, can't wait to find out who will be the 14th Doctor, if the beeb ever bring it back that is!
got to say, her Tardis is totally my favourite
I like her - maybe she could be like River Song - appear like that?
We’ve had the same personality like 3 times out of 4 recently. Jo gives a different aura, ya know.
The biggest problem I have with Jo Martin being pre-Hartnell is that mucks up the whole 13 regenerations and the Doctor being given a new regeneration cycle in The Time Of The Doctor.
Though War Doctor not working as a Doctor kinda makes sense since he wasn't the Doctor until the final scene right before he regenerated.
Though the Fugitive Doctor does feel more organic.
I like the idea of Jo Martin being the 14th Doctor because it makes the masters claim of the timeless child have less weight behind them.Also her costume is cool
She did a better job at being the Doctor than Jodi did. She gave the Doctor a personality.
Jo Martin really had that spark from the moment she stepped on screen. 😭😭😭 She let us know what could have been.
I tried so hard with Jodi and Chbnall. I just glad it's over.🤦
8:05 I'll have you know that the first Doctor of colour is John Pertwee?
Great video Joe 👍and thanks for the cameo 😂
Thank you, George! I'll forgive you if you never reply my tweets ever again out of fear of being screenshotted
we know the doctor can regenerate the same form as shown when he regenerates as tennant from his severed hand, so maybe if jodie died next to jo martin the doctor would once again regenerate as the same form from jo martin so Jo would be a past doctor(possibly) and a future doctor
So the point which convinced me was that I was very willing to give 13 a chance. My mum was down on her but I just dismissed that based on assumed internalised misogyny (and lowkey a bit of racism). But she really liked Jo!
Great video as always. I feel the main thing holding Martin back as Doctor 14 is that we have in essence already seen her debut story, so any "first" story may feel a bit redundant: a 'Clara problem'.
Add that to the ratings doing a good impression of that song about jumping a thousand feet without a parachute and you'd have the issue also of introducing her to a casual or new audience: "She's the new Doctor! Well, ish. Let me tell you about this story no-one watched."
And yet... you're right, she nailed the role absolutely. No questions asked. And it *would* be a huge milestone whereas right now it's a plot point that raises more questions than anything else.
I'm torn. I want it in some ways, but I cannot see it happening because of how it's started.
Thank you for watching, Nick! I doubt they'll actually give her the role, for all the reasons you mentioned and because of how tone deaf a lot of the decisions have been recently. But it's nice to dream about what could have been...
@@Joe_Brennan_ Oh completely. I'm sure Big Finish will pick her up in the end (with mixed results).
it would be more fun if Nardole became the 14th doctor, but seriously u should make a video about that
Nardy gang agrees 👊
Nardole is too cool to be the Doctor
@@Joe_Brennan_ Nardole can't be the doctor. Ever. For the same reason Jo Martin can't be the doctor. He doesn't look right.
I really wish Emma Thompson got the role of the 14th doctor
Is anyone else having this glitch where youtube fails to deliver some videos? No matter how I try to watch it, it ends up not working. Tries to load forever.
But have some engagement anyway!
Edit: It's working!
Glad it's fixed, and I appreciate the random engagement
@@Joe_Brennan_ Yea they seem to be having an issue in the datacentre that is serving my connection it appears. It's the only explanation. A good margin of new videos fail to load for me on any device, until several hours later when suddenly they work. That's why I hypothesise that the different datacentres are having issues synching with each other.
Jo's charismatic even in her Tesco's advert! She has great screen presence not least in her fleeting appearance in The Timeless Children. I'd love to see her as the Doctor, particularly with a show runner who's more "up to the job". And the tokenism argument made by Dominic G. Martin and yourself is powerful.
i really hope Jo Martin is the 14th Doctor because she was amazing on the episode she appeared on and not only that she would be the First Female Black Doctor and it would be amazing if she is to be the Next Doctor, i dunno how to word this but I hope Doctor Who does make Jo Martin the Next Doctor she is the perfect fit for the role
What we actually need is a DW expanded universe.... Why can't we have a "Further Adventures" series that explored a variety of Doctors, companions or even villains in one off stories - David, Matt and Peter could easily pick up the mantle for an episode in a mixed bag of stories - even McGann could get one too..... anything is possible.
But should Jo get a series - should she be the next Doctor? Absolutely - and what they should do which would totally throw a curve ball is kill of Jodie's Doc before the end of the next series and catch the audience totally off guard.... regenerate into Jo's Doctor and hit the ground running - how cool would that be?
I'm definitely late to the conversation, but imagine if the 14th Doctor wasn't announced before 13's final episode, and everyone is super excited to see who it is, and Jodie regenerates... and it's Jo Martin! And the doctor goes "wtf this makes no sense" and THATS the cliffhanger that kicks off RTD2. Everyone would flip their lid because A) JM's back and B) it means the Timeless Child will probably get retconned.
At the moment Jo Martin has the same status as Michael Jayston and John Hurt, which is to say that fans are aware that they exist but outside fandom nobody cares. Only the 13 series leads really 'count'. I agree that she would be fantastic and I'd like to see her get the role properly, so she gets a fantastic era of her own and doesn't just end up a footnote. I think that would be a real shame.
If Jo Martian was the fourteenth doctor, I would imagine a couple of scenarios of how the director and BBC studios themselves could fix her canon appearance, timeline, etc. If she was using the chameleon arch to erase her memories temporally, some side effects could've altered her mind. And if this was close enough to just after regeneration, she could have short-term memory like how other Doctors did have when they first appeared in an episode of their arcs. But that's my opinion. Still think it's one of things that may work best somehow
Fantastic video :)
Also the Ryan Johnson head ominously hanging around in the background is slightly terrifying 😭😂
@@TheConfusedAdipose Thank you so much! And Rian is a an absolute nightmare when it comes to filming because the camera consistently decides he's more worthy of focus than I am, which I don't necessarily disagree with...
I think it'd be great to see the doctor forced to fight for a radical division of timelords
I don't think dislike of the 13th Doctor is sexist right off the bat. She's easily the weakest incarnation of the new who era but that doesn't necessarily make her bad. I think she's had some pretty good stories but they've mostly been just okay. I'd love the fugitive Doctor to be the 14th Doctor. It took a matter of seconds for me to recognize her as the Doctor. I haven't felt that instant recognition since Matt Smith.
They could do to her what they did with the Master, you know how Missy didn't remember being killed by her previous incarnation. Obviously it'd require some shenanigans to make it work in this situation since Missy did remember being that previous incarnation, but that's fine.
Come on BBC cast Miriam if Joe can't
I agree I think Jo Martin would be a good Doctor. I think Jodie is a great actress, but I just don't think the role suites her. In my opinion the success of any doctor is based on two things.
The first one is screen presence, when they walk in to a scene everyone has to notice them and people should stop and listen to them. The Doctor should command situations in a confident way, and not leave people in doubt of his or her ability. However this confident, commanding Doctor needs another element to balance their personality.
The other thing for the success of the doctor is that viewers need to like to Doctor. If the Doctor is too confident or commanding, they may come off as being too arrogant. It s a fine balance, but I think the counter balance to the confident, commanding personality is a respect for others.
Over the very many years I think all Doctors have had various combinations of the above, some very respectful, and very nice, but not commanding enough. Some Doctors have come across as too arrogant. I think for me the two best Doctors who hit the best combination of the above were Tom Baker and David Tenant. They were commanding, confident, had great screen presence and where likeable.
Jodie for me was very likeable, but she had very little screen presence. However I would agree Jo Martin seems to have a good screen presence.
Couldn’t get into Jody and I was so excited…might try this again
Oh fuck sake. It’s you!
Me?
i saw the scongo photo in the background...gave me flash backs to TARDISposting
He is always watching...
Jo Martin Doctor can work. She was brilliant in her brief appearances. I hope she returns.
You hit the nail directly on the head which is a hard thing to do especially considering their so small.
I personally adore Jodie as the Doctor but I can see why she isn’t for everyone and the writing is certainly letting her down. Jo Martin would be excellent as the Doctor though especially if she kept that beautiful gem of a TARDIS.
Thank you for the comment! I was worried people wouldn't agree. And I really need to see more of that beautiful TARDIS
I'm just gonna have to be the one black guy to say it, but a black Doctor isn't as a matter of course, necessary or needed.
My problem with this notion is the same as my problem with the jump to representational changes across the entertainment divide to change popular characters into people of different color gender, and sexual identity: it ignores the need for new characters to fill those roles, and more often than not, are written as social justice fan fiction rather than a fully formed character with hopes and motivations.
I didn't need black Cap, (though if it happened, the kid in the New Avengers that is descended from Isiah Bradley would have been a much easier and more logical choice) And I would have loved them actually making the Falcon matter more as a character without the shield. I'm absolutely fine with representation, but I loathe lip service that leads to people patting themselves on the back in story form.
That having been said, Fugitive of the Judoon is the only episode of Chibnall era Who I can say I unabashedly like. And the reason isn't that Jo Martin got to be the first black female doctor, it's because Chibnall wrote this Doctor and she was credibly and convincingly played by a black woman. She feels more like the Doctor than Whittaker has her whole run and she's appeared twice.
The combination of a well written character and a change in race and gender worked here because the reveal was made by a Doctor that felt genuinely written and an actress that made the transition seamless. Moffat introduced the idea of a Time Lord transition from a white man to a black woman in Hell Bent, and what made it work was the seamlessness of the character. It made the fact that it was a different race and color secondary to the story, which is the best way to write it. The General felt like the same person in both forms, because they were written as the same person.
I would love Jo Martin as the next Doctor, but it has nothing to do with her sex, or her race. It's because in one episode she demonstrated the ability to steal the scenes and command the role. Something Jodie has yet to do in over 2 seasons.