The Banana Pi BPI-F3 may have the SpacemiT K1, but it is an ARSE product
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I was so very disappointed at the software, the documentation, and even some aspects of the hardware, since the K1 is such a powerful SoC!
CORRECTION: 4GB or 8GB of RAM, not 2 or 4.
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⚡ Power Consumption (@ 5V)
- No image: 180mA
- Booting: 450-1050mA (average ~800mA)
- Idle, CLI, no peripherals or fan: 515mA
- As above + peripherals: 520mA (+5mA)
- As above + fan on 3V3: 560mA (+40mA)
- Idle, GUI logged in: 560mA (no change, likely due to no GPU driver)
- Geekbench 6 at CLI with peripherals and fan: 1,690mA
(peripherals: LAN, USB Wireless Mouse + KB, HDMI)
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"What do you about him?" "He start a video with 'How the fock y'all going?'"
"Fock"? I'm not Irish mate, Aussie. I said "fuck" 😂
One of the problems I find with some of these boards is that the specs look pretty good on paper but software support absolutely blows goats. At least with Raspberry Pi EVERYTHING works out of the box with minimum fuss, lthough you're paying a bit more, and long term support is better. Still, I'm pretty excited by RISC-V boards becoming available but I'll wait until software support matures a bit until I shell out for a bigger board.
Yeah I completely understand that, and feel the same way!
But RPI's suck with such limited I/O, low end SoC and such limited memory. They blow goats so bad.
@@user-vh8gs1sw1j not all I think, I like their company and their ideology, but this just hurts!
@@PlatimaTinkers Yes, all. RPi 5 is the newest and still sucks. Using RPi's hurts for much of anything beyond very low end tasks.
@@user-vh8gs1sw1j they are a great educational tool at least!
The Armbian image is not optimized in any way. Test again with the recommended Bianbu OS which has been optimized for the SpacemiT K1 and you'll have a much better experience.
Very fair, but where is the Bianbu website, source code, community? Why do I have to pick what appears to be a closed and unique distro for this one product?
Does not seem right
@@PlatimaTinkers On Spacemit's website. The source is on a chinese git service called gitee. From what I can tell it's just ubuntu with Spacemit's drivers and demo apps installed.
Hrmm. I'm a tad hesitant haha. Looks like it's specifically meant for NAS use, and based on OpenMediaVault?
I'd be curious if the GPU drivers can be copied over!
@@PlatimaTinkers There are both Desktop and NAS images available. Source location is given on the info page. Splicing parts of binary distros could be a bit tricky, you might be able to copy the kernel and modules across, but you'll probably find it more miss than hit.
@@PlatimaTinkers TH-cam deleted one of my replies, but to generalize, the source code is linked on the banana pi page, There are also both NAS and desktop images of Bianbu.
What is the monitor panel you are using, can you share the product name
Hey mate yeah just this badboy. I needed portable 4K HDR, thought it was BS, but it's bloody good! www.ebay.com.au/itm/285558645271
@@PlatimaTinkers Thanks.
@@anandmoon5701 🤘
Banana Pi BPI-F3: Octa Core RISC-V SBC Running Bianbu OS
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RISC-V NAS: BPI-F3 & OpenMediaVault
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Hah yeah you and a dozen others told me about that - already seen it. No particular interest in running a closed and unique OS just for one board though =/
I also have played around with Debian. I found the software support also very lacking. I will try actual image the developers seem to support, which is the weird Bianbu OS thing, whatever that is. 4 GB of RAM is disappointing, but if they can actually get proper support for the hardware this will be a pretty useable device. From promo vids they've shown it seems like they have _some_ kind of graphics acceleration stuff running on there, but maybe all of the documentation is only in Chinese?
edit: don't even bother with VLC. Tried 1080p video (there's supposed to be 4k encoding/decoding...), basically it was 1 frame per minute, but at least the audio played clearly.
Yeah apparently Bianbu OS is meant to be the main OS, however, I want something normal. Not whatever the hell this custom asian distro I've never heard of.
You're right re the screenshots looking to have GPU support.
Yup, learned that VLC lesson with the Radxa Zero 3W when I tried it without the Panfrost drivers. No bueno 😅
@@PlatimaTinkers I the newest rc of Bianbu OS and it was not any better for a dekstop env. I think Armbian was a bit more smooth, even.
I will probably just use it headless as a NAS for now, trying out their nas image.
@@athf226 Ah okay damn, that's a shame! Their images show GPU support, unless that was the 1 fps required for the shot 🤣
NAS use seems fair, especially if you can LACP the 2x GbE ports!
@@PlatimaTinkers I think they made a couple of test applications with graphics hardware support. I see some sort of tracking software link on the desktop of the Bianbu image.
@@athf226 Yeah I saw that too, just not soo keen on a single-use image like Bianbu, as if their repos go offline, or they stop maintaining it, it's bust. I rather something more mainstream like Debain, or even industry specific like Armbian
This board is the first viable one with a RISC-V RVV.10 cpu, everything is new and the cpu vendor support is in flux. It is great to do development and optimization, you won't have full optimized desktop support a month after global release.
Hey thanks for the input, but just need to correct you a bit sorry.
"This board is the first viable one with a RISC-V RVV.10 cpu"
@@PlatimaTinkers That I know it is:
- you have the Roma laptop that got presented in Munich, but with the same hardware and with the same software support problems.
- you have the k230 that arrived months before but it is minimalist with a tiny amount of ram and even more brittle software support so far
- No boards for the sifive RVV chips are available right now, at least for the general public.
The hardware has that kind of GPU, missing software as it is now is to be expected, in general I would never buy anything as consumer if it does not have mainline linux support, but as developer as long there is enough information and people answering my questions quickly, I'm fine.
As now, it is a board that is amazing for people that write software, since before that the only option was qemu for quick tests and k230 to see how everything fares if the workload fits the ram ^^; I can imagine you would feel lost if you are expecting the same experience most Aarch64 SBC offer out of box :)
Give the community 3 months and probably you'll enjoy much more this board and the RISC-V ecosystem in general. Since you seem to enjoy Ubuntu I heard they are importing back what the spacemit people are doing with their bianbu derivative.
was it meant to be a desktop, i guess not, checked, got "single board computer,network storage,cloud computer,smart robort,industrial control,edge computer,etc."
seems to be fine as a command line pc, no gui, does it have support for touch screen, for kiosk mode or pygame
Yeah so odd, and advertised as both a router board, and as industrial grade, but does not seem to stand up to either spec!
the 'ai' marketing for so many of these is so annoying
literally anything else could that silicon be used for
@@ThylineTheGay Yes and no. I think it's pretty useful in SBCs as most support MIPI-CSI, thus it's easy to do object detection, etc. A lot of them are designed as devboards or proof of concepts around such matters, ideally being turned into embedded systems, doorbells, POE cameras, etc.
lol what a different review from the one I saw on explaining computers using the alternative image.
Glad I saw this one as Armbian would have been my choice too
Yeah I saw that review too and I was just not convinced by that weird-ass OS. Thought I wanted to try something more mainstream, and was mostly excited about the SOC
Please try Bianbu OS, unfortunately I think it is the most well supported OS
Hey yeah I have considered it, but I really am not keen on something that's so full of closed-source and without mainstream / community support.
the problem with all these nice boards is the software support :/
Soo... stuff doesn't work oob. Sounds like fun for someone with too much time on their hands and a lust for the new and shiny 😜✨
Hahha yeah not wrong. I'm waiting to hear some devs re GPU support, so we'll see!
Should have run Bainbu. Or, should have done things people use a server for, not try to use it as a desktop machine, which it's not intended to be. Firefox is absolutely the LAST thing I care about with a board like this. I want to see some tests of RVV. I want to see how it goes building some software compared to a VisionFive 2 or Lichee Pi 4A. Also, since when is US$74 expensive?
Hey yeah I thought about it, but I'm really not that keen on running something so closed and unique. Eg an OS just for one board? No thanks.
I get that it's not necessarily meant as a desktop machine, however, it has microphones, full size HDMI, 3.5mm TRS, and 4x USB ports - so they kind of aim at that market it seems. Plus a lot of the questions I get are based around interactive use cases.
Happy to run any compiles on it you want with `script` or `time` outputs for you. Else if you want, I'm still keen to try the LicheePi 4A if you want to swap boards?
Mine ended up costing a bit more than that $135 all up I think. For what it can do, I cannot really justify it, but you are right that it might be excellent for compiling or other SMT RISC-V ops. Single core Clang (browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/6715130) was about a 25% improvement on the K230 (browser.geekbench.com/v6/cpu/4717013) in your favourite benchmark suite.
Thanks for the input either way mate!
you tend to run out of cpu before you run out of ram on linux you should be able to do stuff with 4gb but yeah 8 or 16 would be way more usefull
Absolutely depends on use case I think. I often run out of RAM, and if we're dealing with an 8-core ~2GHz CPU I think there's a lot of head room there!
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Il mio LUCKFOX1103 funziona
Per soli 10 secondi poi si spegne
Esiste una soluzione? Grazie
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It wasn't meant to be a general purpose system. I've seen this implimented headless with variations of openwrt etc. and were perfectly fine in that specific use cases.
Yeah I absolutely get that, and can see the use, but then why make such a huge board with piles of USB, dual microphones, speaker ports, headphone jack, and HDMI out?
I think target one thing; be industrial, or be a router board, or be an everyday SBC. Don't try (and fail) at all of them at once 🤣
Thank you for providing honest, real world reviews and exposing this e-waste for what it is. Looking forward to your take on the Meles, mine is dead in a drawer with non-working EMMC.
Hey mate yeah I have 2x Meles too, that was meant to be the video. One is dead dead, the other I have not unboxed yet because I'm waiting on the Milk-V team to figure out how I killed the first one 😅
Mine is dead at a low level level though; no UART output, cannot even flash SPI without it crashing. All I did was boot the wrong image 😐
@@PlatimaTinkers when you say dead-dead, is it dead even to mask rom recovery (the one mask room boot mode you can trigger by setting the boot select jumpers, that lets you send code via IIRC ymodem, straight to RAM to be executed)
@@dkpriest Hah yeah dead dead. Ended up going back and forth with the Meles dev team, and we think the SPI flash unexpectedly failed, because I can write to eMMC and RAM over UART, but I cannot write to SPI flash, and when I reboot in normal mode, there is no UART output, which would come from SPI flash first usually. Posted it to them yesterday
"smart router" not "smart desktop".
Yeah that's true, depends how many PPS it can do and how the network drives handle offloading etc.
LMAO cool vid.
Thanks mate!
I am a simple man. I see RISC-V I click like.
Same. I see it, I buy it 😅
This has been my general experience with banana pi boards. Like I don't care about desktop performance. That's not my use case for a sbc. GPU acceleration is often lacking anyway.
I've had two early banana pi boards. They had specs for days. But the reality was that they looked good on paper but the implementation was just rubbish.
Like the SATA implementation on the M1 goes through the worst (slowest) controller possible and it's connected to the USB.
The R1 was a similar story. It took some wrangling to get the router working right. There were warnings galore about the security of the device (there's a period where it's vulnerable on boot). Plugging anything into the USB socket or OTG port resulted in the stupid thing per cycling etc.
Which is a shame because some of their boards really look like they'd be amazing if they could actually meet the expectations given their on paper specs.
Hey that's a shame to hear! My original M1 appears to be great, but that is over a decade old.
I've not actually tested too much of the performance here. Whilst the hardware might be slow, anything RV also seems to lack general driver and compiler optimisation.
If I can get a Linux 6.8+ kernel on it, I'd expect much better performance. #WatchThisSpace
Wow, what a nightmare re that router and the security!
Right now, RISC-V is a world of disappointment, and will probably be so for at least 2 more years.
I'd say it's a world of excitement.
Some of the stuff coming out works really well, and this SOC is actually really powerful - about half as powerful as the RK3566 but twice the cores.
You're not wrong though - one change in the spec or one release of a new SOC takes 2-5 years for any movement it seems!
$150AUD for 4G of ram? Unless the AI accelerator has first class support this is a joke.
There are two worlds of these now, one from the west, the RaspPi and N100 with proper software support and hundreds of different ones from the east, all shit.
Sure, there is a lot more great looking high density PCBs and CPUs done OK with their cracked copies of Candence but the race to get some fancy spec driven boards out before anyone noticed they are shit means utterly crap software support.
2 TOPS is nothing too fancy, you can get a 5 TOPS accelerator stick for $50 from memory.
I think this could definitely be really good, but 1) need GPU, 2) need more RAM.
It could also do with some thinning out. This appears to just show everything the K1 can do, and not focus on a single use case =/
@@PlatimaTinkers Yep, I think you are agreeing with me, it's just for the wank factor. Maybe the west is influencing the east and the marketing people are calling the shots there too now.
Yep I absolutely hear ya mate
I like risc-v stuff, but I cannot recommend your video to my young nephew because of your language. You probably wont care anyway, but I thought someone should let you know.
I do care, and thank you for your input. In the most recent video I specifically avoided swearing for that exact reason.
I do think that this content here though would be a bit too technical for anyone who does not know when it is or isn't appropriate to swear. Eg if they're 14 or older, they're fine, but if they're under 14, both the language and the content likely wouldn't suit (based on US and AU TV guidelines)
Either way, thanks again!
"your images are busted" "it's expensive" - The armbian images are a community effort and they don't get any money from your purchase right? Entitled much?
The images were also their official ones. They could do better, and most seem to agree
This happens if you're uniformed and don't want to switch to the right Distribution..... There is a better video about this board by ExplainingComputers.
Uninformed is most certainly incorrect, you of course did not watch the entire video 😁
And 'better' is subjective, but yes he did a great video on it!
My main issue, as I say in the comments and videos, is that I'm looking at the product, not a bespoke/custom Linux distro that may not exist in 2 years and is subject to one teams input.
Cheers for your thoughts though!