I mean it's always been a giant spinoff of Megami Tensei. Which funny enough again the spinoff is more popular then the mainline again. Megami Tensei < Shin Megami Tensei.
And don't forget that Persona exists is in Devil Summoner canon. To me, they're all SMT games. I don't bother myself with the what Is & Isn't Shin Megami Tensei, all those stories exist in different timelines/universes.
considering that Nocturne aren't Nintendo exclusive. imagine if Atlus announces Nocturne remaster for PC. they're probably goes full Persona (in term of popularity. not gameplay.) and have it's own sequel and spin-off instead
Atlus were like: Hmmm, what if demons didn't exist and instead of hanging out with jack frost in post apocalyptic setting you had to go on a job and pay taxes
Technically that's not an SMT game. It wasn't called SMT neither in the US or Japan, in Japan it's a Megami Ibonroku (I think that's the spelling) Persona. If you count it as a continuation of SMT IF...(which it is), then I see your point, but otherwise I don't think its an SMT game. Yes I'm being overly semantic and totally get what you mean otherwise.
@@yoru900 Which had the SMT label stuck on to it for sales purpose (which I am fine with me btw. I like people playing the first 2 persona games, they are genuinely amazing)
I Loooove Persona but i also love Megaten as a whole (bar some games im not a psychopath who went out of the way to play SMT imagine) But i got into the stupidest argument with an incredibly arrogant friend who would not back down that SMT was Just persona..... nothing else, and that any other games were persona spin offs..... we arent friends because he did this with anything i said.
The "Shin new true" joke is really lost in translation and time. The point is that after the snes came out in japan just like how tons of games here added "Super" to their titles, in Japan "Shin" was added alot, but not the kanji used in SMT's title, the different one that means new. SMT used the other kanji that means "True". So basically, the play on words is a "homophone" Where the word is pronounced the same way as another word, but it has a different meaning based on how it's spelled. It's like if you made a game called "Sword of the Black Night" Saying it outloud, it would sound like you're saying Knight, because the context implies thats the word you're using, but you're not. The context here is releasing on the super famicom when a ton of other "Shin" games were coming out
Not only that, but in the game's intro somebody types the game's title into a computer terminal and cycles through the kanji "new" and "god" before arriving at "true"
Oh, I always wondered why dark anime from the 90s used it in that context, but it is a somewhat ominous Kanji innit 真(Megami Tensei) 新(Getter Robo 2004)
It's a good thing all the series are self contained. It would suck if you had to play soul hackers, jack bros. Or god forbid the mobile games in order to understand the characters motivation nocturne or persona 4.
@@Username-de8tt Jack Bros is on the virtual boy a system I've never seen for sale used in any used gamestore. I'm not saying the games are bad, just hard to come by...except the mobile game.
The funniest part is that Nocturne is the game where the whole "Featuring Dante from the Devil May Cry series." Originates from and most people have no idea about it
In suma, just treat it like the Mario franchise: -There's the main series of games (Bros 1-3, World, Land, 64, Sunshine, Galaxy 1&2, New Bros, 3D World, Odyssey) -There's the side games (Kart, RPG, Party, Paper, Sports, Yoshi's Island, Luigi's Mansion, Warioware) -Everything is Super Mario, but just "Super Mario series" refers to the first category
Overall, Shin megami tensei refers only to the actual "Shin megami tensei" titled games, and EVERYHING else is part of the Megami tensei line of products. BTW, this kanji 真 means "True", this kanji 新 means "New", both are pronounced "Shin" and was pretty common for japanese developers to use 新 in super famicom games, Atlus' devs were just feeling a bit cute that day and decided to give it a little spin.
Honestly to me is way simpler: Does the game have SMT demons? Then is a Megami Tensei game. Just like Pokèmon, does it have Pokèmons in it? Then it's a fucking Pokèmon game. Then of course there are spin-offs and main-line games, but as long as there are SMT demons to me is a Megami Tensei game.
Great work. This was very well researched. The fact that you saw that the first DeSu game was a "Megami Ibunroku" game had me smiling, it is a rarely stated fact. But yeah, this topic has and probably always be unnecessarily heavy. Also, Jack Frost is probably the truest answer. Persona mascots come and go, but Jack Frost is eternal. One suggestion may have been to include a graphic to show which games are in which subcategory. Like, "these 4 are Devil Summoner, and these 4 are Devil Survivor." But great vid overall Macca. Was there a Jack Frost cameo in the Trauma Center games?
I always found it ironic that they tried to do a kid friendly Megaten and didn't call them Demons. Yet when Last Bible hit the US. They put Demon right in the title. In America of all places.
That Jack Bros joke was so good. All that setup for the punchline of Jack Bros and the jesus music like my god I audibly laughed haha I started w/ P5 and have grown such an appreciation for the series at large so like...man I loved that
KeoButt Draws Susie I mean the SMT series is pretty toxic telling persona fans the game they love is horrible and say play a real SMT game when the only main series they played was nocturne. Persona is just dumbasses that say Naoto is trans and port beggars. Maybe some people refusing to accept the main series.
@@marcynados yeah i know. Every fanbase has their own collective amount of toxic people. TBH, I just stay away from fandoms always. I play games that I enjoy which are both the main line and persona series. If there are games that I do not find any enjoyment from, then I won't play it again and just continue on finding games that I enjoy. I'm not going to waste my time giving negative shit on games that I do not enjoy, because there will be people who enjoy those games that I do not enjoy and I don't want them to feel bad or shit and I respect their opinion if they like a certain game that I do not like. Every person has their own taste. For me I enjoy the Mainline and persona series.
@@marcynados This really isn't the case 95% of the time. This video did a horrible job at making the community look like elitists. At worst, the Shin Megami Tensei side of the community seems to have a lot of immoral old members while Persona has a lot of people who don't understand the franchise and maybe even gaming in general. There is no serious conflict between the two, although Persona 5 beggars did vote down the Nintendo Direct finally revealing long awaited Shin Megami Tensei games, but that was also people who were mad about lacking Nintendo games too. Also, a lot of smaller communities in gaming are full of bad people, but the bigger ones might have more regulated communities with only a vocal minority of mean people. I encounter a lot of Discord servers surrounding important topics that are sadly underpopulated and also consist of primarily evil and selfish people.
The way you express your affection for Digital Devil Saga is exactly how I feel about the Raidou games. I adore the PS2 era of games we got and selfishly wish we had even more of them. If Atlus we're to re-release Raidou with the updated Raidou 2 mechanics... or do a combo re-release, I'd swoon for ages.
With P5R out, they could possibly work again with Omega Force to remake the Raidou games on the same engine. Just need to tweak the action RPG sections (turn mobs of demons into a handful) and possibly re-structure The Capital into something he can run around in comfortably.
"And it all depends on the context." 37:06 Considering the canon name argument for the persona protagonists I don't think people have the brain power over here to think about context.
I'm pretty sure the persona 5 protagonist is just fucking with people at this point, since the stage plays apparently refuse to keep any consistent name whatsoever.
Devil Survivor on 3DS was the first one I ever got. What sold me on it was what the GameStop employee told me when I asked him what it was, since I never heard of it before. He said “It’s Pokémon for grown ups.”
I always wondered what this one game was where you could fuse the monsters that I saw someone play during vacation 15 to 20 years ago. I settled for the original Dragon Quest Monsters, but now I think the game actually was Last Bible/ Revelations.
@@Sigismund697 to me is like this Battles apo Maps IV (YHVH dimensión and the Cosmic egg < reverse hills and blasted Tokyo) Sidequest it's a tie Fusión apo Fiends apo Story IV Support partners apo Músic tie DLC apo exclusive demons IV (national defense divinities are awesome. Cleopatra satán and mephisto too but they are either DLC or new Game+
@Fanjanhong * talking skills went better, they fixed The problem of some demons like Shiva adding more skills, balanced the Demon wisper locking some broken skills like Cold wolrd or die for me oh yes and the assistants are not dumb
You know, I seriously think that the Strange Journey Redux character sprites really doesn't matter. It's a DS game, the resolution doesn't really make the difference even that noticeable.
... I'm actually waiting for after market conversations for the DS, that give the DS an 8K resolution boost--with an upscaler mod also needing to be installed... Not because these conversations are something that are good... but because these sorts of conversions are inevitable I mean, think of all the stuff that has older consoles run on televisions that are not CRT based. I mean, CRT televisions are the Vinyl Records of this decade... just like for a couple decades, quadrophonic needles were hard to find--we will start having reproduction CRT TVs being made. As those do provide for a better experience with some media
bro they look like garbage. I played both versions of SJ and the original DS graphics were fine. The updated art for Redux is cartoony and ugly. I'm not sure why resolution is important here.
it really isn't that hard to explain. megami tensei is all the spin offs + the mainline series. shin megami tensei is only the mainline series of games. western marketing doesn't make sense anyway so might as well throw it out the window when it comes to that debate.
the funny things is Demikids/Devichil series game are titled SMT in japan and the other series aren't. meanwhile the western version: almost every Megaten are titled SMT (besides Persona game after P4G) but Demikids aren't.
@@obiyofi9792 Demikids still had the japanese smt moniker in the west if you look at the boxart actually (even if it wasn't actually called Shin Megami Tensei: Demikids). Its still a spin-off though.
Idk SMT vs Persona feels like a DK vs Mario thing. One spawned from the other and surpassed it in some ways. Both series can coexist but QoL features from either can improve the other, while being separate entities.
I do like persona quite a bit, due to it's social comentary and interactions with the characters, and the idea of taking what is meant to be seen as a demon (or some other mythical creature) as part of you and use it to fight back against the pressure other shadows and bosses try to use to crush you not only in battle, but your character's ego as well However, that's not to say i dont like or apreciate shin megami tensei, or im a persona fanboy, there are a lot of aspects about shin megami tensei such as the roles demons take and all the alternate endings you can get... shin megami tensei games test your limits as a person rather than trying to make you a perfect social butterfly with no flaws whatsoever Of course i havent played all the shin megami tensei games, some dont catch my curiosity as much, others aren't localized...but i do think people should try at least one game of each subgenre of the series, there is something for everyone, some might be interested in the way the games represent certain figures in the bible, others just want a though unpredictable game, and some just think the demons look cool and want to see and learn of more unfamiliar and obscure creatures I think the issue with "persona vs mainline" is that gaming used to be something companies and "gamers" themselves would keep trying to do new or odd things with, even in the video itself you can see atlas branched out quite a bit early on regarding the series...however nowadays "gamers" act like children who want candy, and gaming companies just keep giving them said candy instead of offering something new or "healthier", people just want the same thing, or more of the same...and as long as they are happy about it and they keep earning money companies dont care (some examples are the battle royale craze, games like COD) Which is why im glad shin megami tensei 5 is coming...it shows atlus at least heard that the fans want a new game, and it's not just on a portable platform...meaning more people will take it seriously and give it a shot I just hope the persona fans can actually sit down and apreciate the fact a new mainline title is coming...(well the persona 5 fandom at least, given they seem to be the most oblivious and childish part of any fandom i have ever seen) and actually try playing it
My problem with this take is that both fanbases just want more of the same. Wanting more mainline is just a more nostalgic version of wanting more of the same, so it feels right to say that's the healthier desire. I'm excited for more from Atlus period. A new Radiant Historia, a new SMT, a new Persona, a totally new IP. I wouldn't play a new Catherine, but I still wouldn't act like the SMT fanbase if they decided to only put out more Catherine titles for the next ten years.
The only SMT game I have played is P3P, but I'm looking forward to SMT 5, and to learn about some older games, why not discovering new things I would like?
@@rolfthebolf but p2 in particular has special interactions between its characters that were most likely inspiration for what eventually became the social link system. i just wish the writers came back because the cast of persona 5 is easily one of the most uninteresting casts in the series
I started on SMT4 and played persona 4G right after and loved both, so I think I'm true neutral when it comes to this discourse. My stance: If it got the demons from smt main line, its an smt franchise game.
I think at the end of the day its really not a topic that matters. It is an interesting history but As I put it the entire SMT series is literally a spin off of something. The SMT games on the SNES are in no way related to the MT games on the NES when it comes to their plots. They aren't connected at all. So SMT is literally just a bunch of games with a bunch of branches pointing in opposite directions. Digital Devil Saga and Devil Summoner, and Survivor all have intersections to the main franchise in some way, with all their characters crossing boundaries into their respective franchises. Persona on the other Hand just kind of has its characters sticking to persona and no characters from SMT come in either. at the end of the day play what you enjoy. I don't like Persona 3 or 4, but I like 5, and I like the rest of the SMT franchise for the most part. When it comes down to it, its just a janky umbrella and alot of elitists bickering.
@@rambact5769 i agree everything has labels for a reason, thats like saying pepsi and coke are the same when the only common thing about them is they are both cola.
what you fail to realize is Kimi wa ne tashika ni ano toki watashi no soba ni ita Itsudatte itsudatte itsudatte sugu yoko de waratteita nakushitemo Torimodosu kimi wo I will never leave you
I still remember the time i saw Devil Survivor in a Gaming magazine, i was interested because of the Demons. (Yes it was just because i thought the demons looked cool)
Thank you for making such a comprehensive video detail the whole megami tensei franchise and not just the popular stuff. This is so cool to learn about!
I like to plot the games like this when explaining or discussing the franchise so my friends know what I’m talking about Megami tensei franchise: Novels OVA and the Atlus games SMT: mainline but can also be referring to any game/character that either references mainline or is suggested to happen/exist alongside mainline E.G. strange journey demonicas in SMT4(mainline game referencing another mainline game) Or the shwarzwelt references in synchronicity prologue (spin-off referencing mainline) Megami ibunroku: devil Survivor and the persona series alongside SMT if...(smt if by its very nature exists in an entirely different timeline/universe than the mainline series) to me Megami ibunroku is the series more focused around having a strong emphasis oncharacters and character interactions although this does not mean other series don’t have well written characters but it tends make or breaks these games even more than others Devil summoner: self explanatory Jack series: actually haven’t played more than synchronicity but I consider any game to feature “jack” characters as the main playable cast fit here To anybody who read through this entire thing, what’s wrong with you? What’s wrong with me? (A lot)
Played or heard are two very different things. If you're being honest with yourself you know someone who's only played Persona 3-5 and uses the internet knows what SMT is. The internet will force you into knowing. Within a few days of playing Persona 5 the internet brought me to SMT's existence.
...so THAT'S why i liked Digimon Cyber Sleuth so much! At this point you might as well consider Persona as it's own thing really, but if it's an in for fan's to get into Megami Tensei like MT was meant to get people into Persona back in the day then it's all good.
It's kinda like the Final Fantasy series where eventually you have to accept that what makes them part of the same series are the reoccurring elements. If you are not summoning and/or allying with "demons", it is not SMT probably.
yaknow it’s funny that the “Shin Megani Tensei” tag line was added in the west to sell more games cause the only reason I didn’t get Devil Survivor when I was little, I didn’t know what SMT was lol
Good summary. The only thing I felt was missing (not counting the ton of mobile games there are as well) was the original Digital Devil Story: Megami Tensei game by Telenet, which can be considered a prequel to the Famicom game since in that game you fight both Loki and Seth (among other demons), and rescue Yumiko, while traversing a world based on the Kabbalah. Atlus helped with the Telenet game as well, and the demon designs from the manual are great. If you try it, play the FM7 game. It's the best version having 8 movement directions and more cutscenes. The other game I felt was missing was the Giten Megami Tensei: Tokyo Mokushiroku.
Thank you for putting the work into this man.... i just beat p5 and I'm really interested in the darker tones of the og games now that i know the connections/relation between the persona/smt world. Deffo looking forward to more content from you in the future
Your example of "walking around in GameStop and seeing Raidou Kuzunoha" is funny, because that was me except I didn't know what SMT was. I just liked the aesthetic of this game and it was what got me into SMT in the first place.
I know we'll probably never get it, but I really wanted a remaster of the old persona games. Persona 4 was the only reason I bought a PS Vita. Going to get a 3DS soon just for SMT.
A thought that came to me one time, can we have another persona game where you can reject party members from joining and continue the story as-is, see how it goes when x is not in the party? In the Kandori boss fight, having Reiji with you makes it a fight against brothers, if you have Elly, she points out that Kandori’s persona is Nyarlathotep and expresses fear. Also, how about a branch in the gameplay story that’s as long as the supposed canon route. The Snow Queen Route gave you a new plot to follow, a slightly different set of characters to control, a new final boss as well as an ending separate from the Sebec Route. We could use more of that, makes NG+ gameplays more interesting.
It's really quite simple: Persona was a SMT spin off series, but became big with its own indentity, so it's now a different franchise. It shares elements with the main SMT franchise, but it's its own thing now. It's like Kingdom Hearts and Final Fantasy. Both franchises have similar spell names, moogles, spiky hairs and share other elements, but are different series as well.
okay but wheredoes bravely default come into this? 🤔 they'vegot phoenix downs and shared spell names, and even have the final fantasy trait of each mainline numbered entry not having to do with the previous one.
While I'm not the biggest fan of the franchise as a whole simply because of difficulty, accessibility, and just not having the money, I find SMT and it's spin-offs fascinating. I know plenty like Tokyo Mirage Sessions, but I would've really loved to see how a true SMT x Fire Emblem crossover would've turned out. I mean, I don't even know how it'd work if it didn't just take Devil Survivor's gameplay, but seeing characters and concepts from the entirety of both franchises would've been crazy.
I get the gist of what you're saying but #FE is essentially a mashup of Megaten concepts and Fire Emblem characters. The orginal crossover idea would be interesting tho
@@TheDsLeet I completely understand where you're coming from. It's neat, and truly unique, but when they initially presented the idea many kinda thought a more traditional crossover would be coming. The two series aren't exactly known for the tone and style #FE gives off. And don't get me wrong, I like the style- I like Persona and games like it and #FE, but #FE just isn't for me. It's really cool what they did with the crossover regardless, definitely not what I expected, but nothing horrible either.
It might have a lot of facts about the franchise, but it is a bad guide to the community. The humor is also bad and generally comes off as more mean-spirited than ironic.
I’m only here because I bought Devil Survivor 2 Record Breaker in like 2017 and loved it Ironically I never thought the rabbit hole would go this deep lmao
19:55 Oh good, you noticed it too. I was playing Soul Hackers at the time I picked up Cyber Sleuth, started joking about the connection, and then just... saw it happen in real time. I'll happily discuss this with you if you want. I literally predicted the end of Cyber Sleuth because of Soul Hackers.
You've earned a subscriber. I was always wondering what was what. I also wondered a bunch of what the series had in store and what is was like before I got into Persona. Thank you!
You think Devil summoners has it hard? Imagine being a fan of Devil Survivor and having a terrible anime and people thinking it is a rip off of Cyber Sleuth due to the art
So I'm from the Persona franchise and watching this video helped not only showcasing all the games in/associated with Mega Ten but also telling me that... this shit is crazy. Their truly not being a right answer to the question unless Atlus clarifies it and finally gives a concrete answer. Saying this though, I think it doesn't really matter what is or isn't Mega Ten. Just play the games and have fun with them. I myself really want to try a mainline Shin Megami Tensei game but just have not gotten around to it. Any suggestions?
SMT IV would probably be the best place to start for main line, unless you can tolerate high encounter rates and some occasional archaic design choices then I would recommend SMTI
You are right about branding in the west being a big factor. The only reason I picked up Persona 3 back in the day was because it had SMT on it and I loved Nocturne.
I was waiting so long for you to sarcastically talk about Jack Bros. You hint to Persona but I was thinking, “there’s no way he’s gonna skip this opportunity. He’s gonna swap is for Jack Bros.”
this is a good video not only because its a really good retrospective on megaten that i can shove into friend's faces, but because it helped me learned about the hidden hee ho that is the 3D on from the drama.
I watched your video like 4-5 times, and I finally understand everything. Thanks bro, though the thought of explaining it all to someone else is a nightmare
I didn't fall in love with Persona, I fell in love with the Press Turn System. I love Demon Negotiation, I love abusing weaknesses to break the combat and being rewarded for knowing the weaknesses. Even if P5 was the easiest game in the persona series, it still hit closer to its parent series compared to 3 and especially 4 when it came to dungeon crawling and combat mechanics. I would take 3 over 5 for the story. 4 is too much dating sim. It's the most popular Persona game for a reason but that reason is not what I came to persona for. 4 has the weakest symbolism in modern persona. And I always wondered what does truth and the media have to do with a serial murderer pulling people into a TV world. The glasses, the crushing a tarot card. Persona 3 was Death, Persona 5 was Freedom. To pull the trigger means to accept that death is inevitable and is a part of life. To take off your mask means to rebel against the image that society has placed upon you. As of now, I started playing Nocturne and my love for the battle system it created immediately resonated with me as I was able to get the basics down about negotiations, and fighting demons as their concept as part of the human consciousness did return to Persona in 5. Dungeon crawling is fun because the dungeons are hand crafted and have puzzles compared to P3 and P4's Randomly Generated dungeons that are boring. And getting lost in Shibuya is still a thing when you first boot up the game. Thanks Atlus.
Maybe the real Shin Megami Tensei was the friends we made along the way
Or killed
Nah, that's Persona
Thanks for sharing
Especially the demons.
lol
"Wait, it's all SMT?"
"It always has been."
*Bang*
I mean it's always been a giant spinoff of Megami Tensei. Which funny enough again the spinoff is more popular then the mainline again. Megami Tensei < Shin Megami Tensei.
What's the music at 5:11 ?
@@vintheguy Kyuuyaku Megami Tensei-Jakyou 2
@@Mana7Origin
Thank you
Catherine canonically happens in the persona universe, so catherine is a spin off of a spin off based on a series of games based on a book
Which makes catherine fullbody a rerelease of a spin off of a spin off of a series that was the spiritual successor of series based off a book
Are you really using catherine as a ridiculous and convoluted spin off when there are fucking persona dancing games
@@comradezvezda I never said ridiculous or convoluted, you came up with those words on your own
And don't forget that Persona exists is in Devil Summoner canon.
To me, they're all SMT games. I don't bother myself with the what Is & Isn't Shin Megami Tensei, all those stories exist in different timelines/universes.
@@Mana7Origin how does persona share devil summoner canon?
"We're only two series in and it's already confusing. How many series are in this franchise?"
"Ten."
"What the fuck"
Beautiful, absolutely beautiful.
Yeah I thought there were only 4 or 5
Giten. Megami. Tensei.
@@zaneheaston8254dds ds sh persona, imagine, nine, etc
i guess you could say its MEGA TEN heheheheheheje
Trauma centre is part of Megaten
New trauma center when
Etrian Odyssey is SMT because it's Atlus and and it's dungeon crawling and it has multiple endings depending on the characters you have.
Thank you, you saved me a comment; but I like to point out *Under the Knife 2* best game
Actualy Friday the 13th for the NES is MegaTen.
@@iseeu46 Atlus game
It finally hit me how much Persona has overshadowed SMT when I saw that one clip of someone reacting to the Nocturne remake and calling it Persona 3
considering that Nocturne aren't Nintendo exclusive. imagine if Atlus announces Nocturne remaster for PC. they're probably goes full Persona (in term of popularity. not gameplay.) and have it's own sequel and spin-off instead
The dude didn't even play P3
@@obiyofi9792 well, they did it
Can you give me the link?
Link
The video: Yeah, I know, everyone wants it, let's just get to Persona.
Me, quietly chanting: DDS! DDS! DDS!
FISH FISH I was hoping we had gotten to devil survivor by that point
DDS is currently downloading on my PS3
@@BitchChill Good taste, my friend!
Me, also quietly chanting: Devil Summoner! Devil Summoner! Devil Summoner!
Reality itself is an SMT spin-off
Reality is Persona since it isn't real
Atlus were like: Hmmm, what if demons didn't exist and instead of hanging out with jack frost in post apocalyptic setting you had to go on a job and pay taxes
@@Jackie-m8i Very
I like how at the beginning of the Jack Bros section, he doesn't even show footage of Persona 1 or 2, because people forget they exist.
Shhhh. Those we forgot those games for a reason. To get rid of it. Dont pull a tatsuya
@@anenemystand5582 ... *Punches Philemon in the face*
@@anenemystand5582 god damn I just saw you on another video like a couple of hours ago, and I’d like once more to say: SIEG ZEON
Unfunny joke
@@anenemystand5582 that hurts dude
I recently just finished innocent sin 😔
"I'm also willing to bet you've only played or heard of Persona 3 4 or 5."
Me, whose first SMT game is Persona 1: Ha ha yeah
Technically that's not an SMT game. It wasn't called SMT neither in the US or Japan, in Japan it's a Megami Ibonroku (I think that's the spelling) Persona. If you count it as a continuation of SMT IF...(which it is), then I see your point, but otherwise I don't think its an SMT game.
Yes I'm being overly semantic and totally get what you mean otherwise.
@@ridleyroid9060 I'm playing the psp rerelease
@@yoru900 Which had the SMT label stuck on to it for sales purpose (which I am fine with me btw. I like people playing the first 2 persona games, they are genuinely amazing)
1 and 2 definitely are alot different than the newer 3 👀
@@bajablast6732 Yeah, and shamefully literally no one cares for them anymore, even the diehard persona fans.
After nocturne hd remaster we need Nocturne dancing all night
No Persona 2 Dancing Third Reich :)
@@nr2676 oh no, not the fuhrer and his cool shades
Imagine Demi Fiend looking as fine as Yu with those shades
Smt Nocture Dancing till all gods rejected
@@rezanators I want this shit in my life
Ahh the 1990’s when you could summon demons on your Macintosh to beat up the bullies
Persona Fans: *"You suck"*
SMT Fans: *"I MADE YOU"*
Jojo Fans:You are me
@@standarrow9759 It all comes full circle.
@@standarrow9759Persona fans: And thou, art I!
I Loooove Persona but i also love Megaten as a whole (bar some games im not a psychopath who went out of the way to play SMT imagine)
But i got into the stupidest argument with an incredibly arrogant friend who would not back down that SMT was Just persona..... nothing else, and that any other games were persona spin offs..... we arent friends because he did this with anything i said.
litterally no persona fan has said SMT sucks, you're just trying to find a way to hate on people now lmao
im glad you brought up that this is really the first official monster collecting series.
The "Shin new true" joke is really lost in translation and time. The point is that after the snes came out in japan just like how tons of games here added "Super" to their titles, in Japan "Shin" was added alot, but not the kanji used in SMT's title, the different one that means new. SMT used the other kanji that means "True". So basically, the play on words is a "homophone" Where the word is pronounced the same way as another word, but it has a different meaning based on how it's spelled. It's like if you made a game called "Sword of the Black Night" Saying it outloud, it would sound like you're saying Knight, because the context implies thats the word you're using, but you're not. The context here is releasing on the super famicom when a ton of other "Shin" games were coming out
Same with 64 that came afterward.
I never understood a word you said.
Not only that, but in the game's intro somebody types the game's title into a computer terminal and cycles through the kanji "new" and "god" before arriving at "true"
@@Kanudelgruber I noticed that but never looked into what it was. thanks
Oh, I always wondered why dark anime from the 90s used it in that context, but it is a somewhat ominous Kanji innit
真(Megami Tensei)
新(Getter Robo 2004)
It's a good thing all the series are self contained. It would suck if you had to play soul hackers, jack bros. Or god forbid the mobile games in order to understand the characters motivation nocturne or persona 4.
Cries in kingdom hearts...
I see no reason why playing jack bros would be considered a negative
@@Username-de8tt Jack Bros is on the virtual boy a system I've never seen for sale used in any used gamestore. I'm not saying the games are bad, just hard to come by...except the mobile game.
“Nah bro the characters don’t suck, you just don’t understand them because you didn’t play Giten Megami Tensei or DX2”
@@southofheck i would be crying right now
What is Shin Megami Tensei: Jack Bros.
What isn't: everything else
The FUCK IS IT?
“How mang spinoff franchises are the-“
“10”
“What the fuck?!”
Literally me learning about megaten
11.
1- Shin Megami Tensei is looking more like a theme than anything else.
2- Thank you for the vid
18:58 "made use of the finest CGI demons" i lost it there
Catherine is basically a tech demo for atlus dipping their toes into 3d hd graphics lol
and what a damn good demo it was. masterpiece tbh
Am I the only one who was taken aback by “and Dante from the Devil May Cry series”?
its not even a joke, which makes it even better
Even if it is DMC2. It's shin.
the SMT artist also drew the devil triggers in Devil May Cry 3
The funniest part is that Nocturne is the game where the whole "Featuring Dante from the Devil May Cry series." Originates from and most people have no idea about it
@@RobertPayne556 Kazuma Kaneko
In suma, just treat it like the Mario franchise:
-There's the main series of games (Bros 1-3, World, Land, 64, Sunshine, Galaxy 1&2, New Bros, 3D World, Odyssey)
-There's the side games (Kart, RPG, Party, Paper, Sports, Yoshi's Island, Luigi's Mansion, Warioware)
-Everything is Super Mario, but just "Super Mario series" refers to the first category
Erm actually it’s referred to as the Mario series as super Mario bros is actually just referring to the side scrolling platformers
Overall, Shin megami tensei refers only to the actual "Shin megami tensei" titled games, and EVERYHING else is part of the Megami tensei line of products.
BTW, this kanji 真 means "True", this kanji 新 means "New", both are pronounced "Shin" and was pretty common for japanese developers to use 新 in super famicom games, Atlus' devs were just feeling a bit cute that day and decided to give it a little spin.
... wait... so... is the New 3DS, New 3DS XL and New 2DS XL ALSO part of the SMT franchise then?
@@NimhLabs no because it's not "true 3DS"
@@macafromthewired THE 3DS IS A LIE???!!
Honestly to me is way simpler: Does the game have SMT demons? Then is a Megami Tensei game.
Just like Pokèmon, does it have Pokèmons in it? Then it's a fucking Pokèmon game. Then of course there are spin-offs and main-line games, but as long as there are SMT demons to me is a Megami Tensei game.
At this point I think Megami Tensei wants certain games to be separate though
@@clear5136 you mean Persona?
Then what about Tokyo Mirage Session?
@@tron0150 i don't consider it part of the Megaten Series, it's a crossover.
It's a Megami Tensei, but not a Shin Megami Tensei. That's the point
Great work. This was very well researched. The fact that you saw that the first DeSu game was a "Megami Ibunroku" game had me smiling, it is a rarely stated fact. But yeah, this topic has and probably always be unnecessarily heavy. Also, Jack Frost is probably the truest answer. Persona mascots come and go, but Jack Frost is eternal.
One suggestion may have been to include a graphic to show which games are in which subcategory. Like, "these 4 are Devil Summoner, and these 4 are Devil Survivor." But great vid overall Macca.
Was there a Jack Frost cameo in the Trauma Center games?
I always found it ironic that they tried to do a kid friendly Megaten and didn't call them Demons. Yet when Last Bible hit the US. They put Demon right in the title. In America of all places.
That Jack Bros joke was so good. All that setup for the punchline of Jack Bros and the jesus music like my god I audibly laughed haha I started w/ P5 and have grown such an appreciation for the series at large so like...man I loved that
You fool! The best and True SMT game is *_obviously_*
*Jack Bros for the Virtual Boy*
Friday the 13th
that was the first smt game to go to the west
Jack bros rating is absolute beyond null omega tranceded infinity
Makes me sad P3-5 overshadow the rest of the franchise in so many people’s eyes but hey smaller communities are cool
The smaller the community, the less toxic people in the fanbase
KeoButt Draws Susie I mean the SMT series is pretty toxic telling persona fans the game they love is horrible and say play a real SMT game when the only main series they played was nocturne. Persona is just dumbasses that say Naoto is trans and port beggars. Maybe some people refusing to accept the main series.
@@marcynados yeah i know. Every fanbase has their own collective amount of toxic people. TBH, I just stay away from fandoms always. I play games that I enjoy which are both the main line and persona series. If there are games that I do not find any enjoyment from, then I won't play it again and just continue on finding games that I enjoy. I'm not going to waste my time giving negative shit on games that I do not enjoy, because there will be people who enjoy those games that I do not enjoy and I don't want them to feel bad or shit and I respect their opinion if they like a certain game that I do not like. Every person has their own taste. For me I enjoy the Mainline and persona series.
@@marcynados This really isn't the case 95% of the time. This video did a horrible job at making the community look like elitists. At worst, the Shin Megami Tensei side of the community seems to have a lot of immoral old members while Persona has a lot of people who don't understand the franchise and maybe even gaming in general. There is no serious conflict between the two, although Persona 5 beggars did vote down the Nintendo Direct finally revealing long awaited Shin Megami Tensei games, but that was also people who were mad about lacking Nintendo games too.
Also, a lot of smaller communities in gaming are full of bad people, but the bigger ones might have more regulated communities with only a vocal minority of mean people. I encounter a lot of Discord servers surrounding important topics that are sadly underpopulated and also consist of primarily evil and selfish people.
sigurdtheblue it wasn’t port beggars it was Nintendo fanboys
The way you express your affection for Digital Devil Saga is exactly how I feel about the Raidou games. I adore the PS2 era of games we got and selfishly wish we had even more of them.
If Atlus we're to re-release Raidou with the updated Raidou 2 mechanics... or do a combo re-release, I'd swoon for ages.
With P5R out, they could possibly work again with Omega Force to remake the Raidou games on the same engine. Just need to tweak the action RPG sections (turn mobs of demons into a handful) and possibly re-structure The Capital into something he can run around in comfortably.
@@Mageman17HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA
This is my first time seeing any of your content but its definitely quality it clearly took a good amount of work, good job, subscribed!
"And it all depends on the context." 37:06
Considering the canon name argument for the persona protagonists I don't think people have the brain power over here to think about context.
Protagonist names bro, it's the most important topic
I can’t believe people still argue about that shit, I’m ashamed of being part of a community with people likes that.
I'm pretty sure the persona 5 protagonist is just fucking with people at this point, since the stage plays apparently refuse to keep any consistent name whatsoever.
@@nahnah390 to be fair, that's a stage production, the main gimmick is going to be the different name lmao
That song pretty much just convinced me to play Digital Devil Saga
Where does the Amazing Tater fit in the franchise?
That's the very end of the timeline. The inevitable conclusion where all paths reuinite.
Devil Survivor on 3DS was the first one I ever got. What sold me on it was what the GameStop employee told me when I asked him what it was, since I never heard of it before. He said “It’s Pokémon for grown ups.”
I always wondered what this one game was where you could fuse the monsters that I saw someone play during vacation 15 to 20 years ago. I settled for the original Dragon Quest Monsters, but now I think the game actually was Last Bible/ Revelations.
SMT IV apocalypse has the Best gameplay so far. It's a little hard to Replay iv after apocalypse because of that
I don't consider Apocalypse an enhancement THAT huge but maybe you're right. Still love to play IV tho.
I get what you say but playing Apocalypse I found myself yearning for the chaotic/frantic gameplay of IV specially how fast it was
@@Sigismund697 to me is like this
Battles apo
Maps IV (YHVH dimensión and the Cosmic egg < reverse hills and blasted Tokyo)
Sidequest it's a tie
Fusión apo
Fiends apo
Story IV
Support partners apo
Músic tie
DLC apo
exclusive demons IV (national defense divinities are awesome. Cleopatra satán and mephisto too but they are either DLC or new Game+
@Fanjanhong * talking skills went better, they fixed The problem of some demons like Shiva adding more skills, balanced the Demon wisper locking some broken skills like Cold wolrd or die for me oh yes and the assistants are not dumb
You know, I seriously think that the Strange Journey Redux character sprites really doesn't matter.
It's a DS game, the resolution doesn't really make the difference even that noticeable.
... I'm actually waiting for after market conversations for the DS, that give the DS an 8K resolution boost--with an upscaler mod also needing to be installed...
Not because these conversations are something that are good... but because these sorts of conversions are inevitable
I mean, think of all the stuff that has older consoles run on televisions that are not CRT based. I mean, CRT televisions are the Vinyl Records of this decade... just like for a couple decades, quadrophonic needles were hard to find--we will start having reproduction CRT TVs being made. As those do provide for a better experience with some media
bro they look like garbage. I played both versions of SJ and the original DS graphics were fine. The updated art for Redux is cartoony and ugly. I'm not sure why resolution is important here.
Amazing video, well made, and really informative, I didn't realise how some of these things I'd heard of connected.
Ah, thanks for this. The old video is what let me get into SMT outside of Persona and Shin Megami Tensei Nocturne, so you're doing me a world of good!
it really isn't that hard to explain.
megami tensei is all the spin offs + the mainline series.
shin megami tensei is only the mainline series of games.
western marketing doesn't make sense anyway so might as well throw it out the window when it comes to that debate.
That's how I've been handling it.
the funny things is Demikids/Devichil series game are titled SMT in japan and the other series aren't.
meanwhile the western version: almost every Megaten are titled SMT (besides Persona game after P4G) but Demikids aren't.
@@obiyofi9792 Demikids still had the japanese smt moniker in the west if you look at the boxart actually (even if it wasn't actually called Shin Megami Tensei: Demikids). Its still a spin-off though.
Exactly. These are all Shin Megami Tensei.
it should be like this, but you know alot of people just call everything SMT i don´t blame them.
most dedicated fans just say Megaten anyway
*Me who just started playing SMT 3 and was curious about the rest of the series*
Me: "What the hell did I just walk in on?!"
Now try the works by TYPE-MOON and Kinoko Nasu...
I love Shin Megami Tensei, I love Persona, I fucking despise both sides of the Megami Tensei Fanbase.
🗣
Idk SMT vs Persona feels like a DK vs Mario thing. One spawned from the other and surpassed it in some ways. Both series can coexist but QoL features from either can improve the other, while being separate entities.
I do like persona quite a bit, due to it's social comentary and interactions with the characters, and the idea of taking what is meant to be seen as a demon (or some other mythical creature) as part of you and use it to fight back against the pressure other shadows and bosses try to use to crush you not only in battle, but your character's ego as well
However, that's not to say i dont like or apreciate shin megami tensei, or im a persona fanboy, there are a lot of aspects about shin megami tensei such as the roles demons take and all the alternate endings you can get... shin megami tensei games test your limits as a person rather than trying to make you a perfect social butterfly with no flaws whatsoever
Of course i havent played all the shin megami tensei games, some dont catch my curiosity as much, others aren't localized...but i do think people should try at least one game of each subgenre of the series, there is something for everyone, some might be interested in the way the games represent certain figures in the bible, others just want a though unpredictable game, and some just think the demons look cool and want to see and learn of more unfamiliar and obscure creatures
I think the issue with "persona vs mainline" is that gaming used to be something companies and "gamers" themselves would keep trying to do new or odd things with, even in the video itself you can see atlas branched out quite a bit early on regarding the series...however nowadays "gamers" act like children who want candy, and gaming companies just keep giving them said candy instead of offering something new or "healthier", people just want the same thing, or more of the same...and as long as they are happy about it and they keep earning money companies dont care (some examples are the battle royale craze, games like COD)
Which is why im glad shin megami tensei 5 is coming...it shows atlus at least heard that the fans want a new game, and it's not just on a portable platform...meaning more people will take it seriously and give it a shot
I just hope the persona fans can actually sit down and apreciate the fact a new mainline title is coming...(well the persona 5 fandom at least, given they seem to be the most oblivious and childish part of any fandom i have ever seen) and actually try playing it
My problem with this take is that both fanbases just want more of the same. Wanting more mainline is just a more nostalgic version of wanting more of the same, so it feels right to say that's the healthier desire. I'm excited for more from Atlus period. A new Radiant Historia, a new SMT, a new Persona, a totally new IP. I wouldn't play a new Catherine, but I still wouldn't act like the SMT fanbase if they decided to only put out more Catherine titles for the next ten years.
The only SMT game I have played is P3P, but I'm looking forward to SMT 5, and to learn about some older games, why not discovering new things I would like?
Sorry to burst your bubble but the persona 2 games and persona 1 dont have social links
@@rolfthebolf but p2 in particular has special interactions between its characters that were most likely inspiration for what eventually became the social link system.
i just wish the writers came back because the cast of persona 5 is easily one of the most uninteresting casts in the series
I started on SMT4 and played persona 4G right after and loved both, so I think I'm true neutral when it comes to this discourse.
My stance: If it got the demons from smt main line, its an smt franchise game.
I think at the end of the day its really not a topic that matters. It is an interesting history but As I put it the entire SMT series is literally a spin off of something. The SMT games on the SNES are in no way related to the MT games on the NES when it comes to their plots. They aren't connected at all. So SMT is literally just a bunch of games with a bunch of branches pointing in opposite directions. Digital Devil Saga and Devil Summoner, and Survivor all have intersections to the main franchise in some way, with all their characters crossing boundaries into their respective franchises. Persona on the other Hand just kind of has its characters sticking to persona and no characters from SMT come in either. at the end of the day play what you enjoy. I don't like Persona 3 or 4, but I like 5, and I like the rest of the SMT franchise for the most part. When it comes down to it, its just a janky umbrella and alot of elitists bickering.
These are practically the only two games that normal people can get their hands on at the moment unless you are a life long sonybro.
@@chaosdirge4906 i don’t get why people make this a big deal, the franchise is megami tensei and the mainline SMT games are Shin Megami Tensei
@@rambact5769 i agree everything has labels for a reason, thats like saying pepsi and coke are the same when the only common thing about them is they are both cola.
I thought that was obvious. It's what Warioware, Yoshi, and DK are to Mario
Waiting for Catherine 2 complete: Shin Megami Tensei or whatever to be more confusing
Shin megami tensei: Catherine 2 complete royal gold nocturne
Starring dante from the devil may cry series!
And Kyle Ryder as New True Super Mundus.
what you fail to realize is Kimi wa ne tashika ni ano toki watashi no soba ni ita
Itsudatte itsudatte itsudatte sugu yoko de waratteita nakushitemo
Torimodosu kimi wo I will never leave you
Next to You is the better ending theme
Tamaki ain´t a cameo in persona she is story relevant in both games, not to mention she works at the kuzunoha detective agency.
Shin What Is and Isnt Shin Megami Tensei? | MegaTen Explained
Im just playing SMT1 rn (there's Nintendo Online release in Japan)
The classic "where the fuck do i need to go" game.
I still remember the time i saw Devil Survivor in a Gaming magazine, i was interested because of the Demons. (Yes it was just because i thought the demons looked cool)
Didn't we all liked demons for their coolness back then?
Huh, I had the same expirience
It was the Mexican Club Nintendo magazine, I found the concept so cool
I have persona 3,4, and 5. I just bought SMT IV can’t wait to play, hopefully I can find Apocalypse for a good price
Yeah I've heard the hole thing with Cyber Sleuth borrowing a bit too much from the Shin Megami Tensei series...LOL
Thank you for making such a comprehensive video detail the whole megami tensei franchise and not just the popular stuff. This is so cool to learn about!
I like how your channel mascot is basically
Jack Frost but in a jack-et
i cant believe you’re only at 8k subs. this vid was great and i learned a lot ab the SMT franchise
Ironically, Persona 3 FES is the reason I delved into the SMT sEries.
Liberators Dx2 in my case
I like to plot the games like this when explaining or discussing the franchise so my friends know what I’m talking about
Megami tensei franchise:
Novels OVA and the Atlus games
SMT: mainline but can also be referring to any game/character that either references mainline or is suggested to happen/exist alongside mainline
E.G. strange journey demonicas in SMT4(mainline game referencing another mainline game)
Or the shwarzwelt references in synchronicity prologue (spin-off referencing mainline)
Megami ibunroku: devil Survivor and the persona series alongside SMT if...(smt if by its very nature exists in an entirely different timeline/universe than the mainline series)
to me Megami ibunroku is the series more focused around having a strong emphasis oncharacters and character interactions although this does not mean other series don’t have well written characters but it tends make or breaks these games even more than others
Devil summoner: self explanatory
Jack series: actually haven’t played more than synchronicity but I consider any game to feature “jack” characters as the main playable cast fit here
To anybody who read through this entire thing, what’s wrong with you?
What’s wrong with me? (A lot)
Played or heard are two very different things. If you're being honest with yourself you know someone who's only played Persona 3-5 and uses the internet knows what SMT is. The internet will force you into knowing. Within a few days of playing Persona 5 the internet brought me to SMT's existence.
"I'm a fucking GOD compared to them" had me ROLLING haha. I knew I was in for a good time after this
...so THAT'S why i liked Digimon Cyber Sleuth so much!
At this point you might as well consider Persona as it's own thing really, but if it's an in for fan's to get into Megami Tensei like MT was meant to get people into Persona back in the day then it's all good.
It's kinda like the Final Fantasy series where eventually you have to accept that what makes them part of the same series are the reoccurring elements. If you are not summoning and/or allying with "demons", it is not SMT probably.
yaknow it’s funny that the “Shin Megani Tensei” tag line was added in the west to sell more games cause the only reason I didn’t get Devil Survivor when I was little, I didn’t know what SMT was lol
Man your video is both informative and entertaining, and it is just what I needed as a crash course on the series. Thank you!!
I AM Shin Megami Tensei
Good summary. The only thing I felt was missing (not counting the ton of mobile games there are as well) was the original Digital Devil Story: Megami Tensei game by Telenet, which can be considered a prequel to the Famicom game since in that game you fight both Loki and Seth (among other demons), and rescue Yumiko, while traversing a world based on the Kabbalah. Atlus helped with the Telenet game as well, and the demon designs from the manual are great. If you try it, play the FM7 game. It's the best version having 8 movement directions and more cutscenes.
The other game I felt was missing was the Giten Megami Tensei: Tokyo Mokushiroku.
Thank you for putting the work into this man.... i just beat p5 and I'm really interested in the darker tones of the og games now that i know the connections/relation between the persona/smt world. Deffo looking forward to more content from you in the future
Your example of "walking around in GameStop and seeing Raidou Kuzunoha" is funny, because that was me except I didn't know what SMT was. I just liked the aesthetic of this game and it was what got me into SMT in the first place.
This was an extremely informative and unbiased video. Probably the best explanation of the SMT series and its spin-offs.
I know we'll probably never get it, but I really wanted a remaster of the old persona games. Persona 4 was the only reason I bought a PS Vita. Going to get a 3DS soon just for SMT.
A thought that came to me one time, can we have another persona game where you can reject party members from joining and continue the story as-is, see how it goes when x is not in the party? In the Kandori boss fight, having Reiji with you makes it a fight against brothers, if you have Elly, she points out that Kandori’s persona is Nyarlathotep and expresses fear.
Also, how about a branch in the gameplay story that’s as long as the supposed canon route. The Snow Queen Route gave you a new plot to follow, a slightly different set of characters to control, a new final boss as well as an ending separate from the Sebec Route. We could use more of that, makes NG+ gameplays more interesting.
Persona 1 has a Windows version.
It's really quite simple: Persona was a SMT spin off series, but became big with its own indentity, so it's now a different franchise. It shares elements with the main SMT franchise, but it's its own thing now. It's like Kingdom Hearts and Final Fantasy. Both franchises have similar spell names, moogles, spiky hairs and share other elements, but are different series as well.
okay but wheredoes bravely default come into this? 🤔 they'vegot phoenix downs and shared spell names, and even have the final fantasy trait of each mainline numbered entry not having to do with the previous one.
Possibly a hot take: CATHERINE is a Megaten spin-off game.
EDIT: Ah, the outro! Maybe not as big a hot take as I thought
This was a great video. I’ve only played P3, P4, P5, Nocturne, and Tokyo Mirage Sessions, but I really want to play other SMT games.
now that i think about it, i watched the devil survivor 2 anime before i ever learned anything about megaten/persona
Trauma Center is what got me into ATLUS games
Atlus published the PS1 English port of Tacics Ogre. Seeing that 3D aquatic logo scene was as baked in as archers being too OP in that game for me.
So I wasn't the only one that thought that Digimon Cyber Sleuth felt very similar to Soul Hackers.
smt strange journey is smt according to the 25th anniversary.
Yep SMT if..., NINE, and Strange Journey are still considered mainline despite not being numerical
It is that 25th Anniversary that had me no longer able to say it was actually part of the JoJo franchise x3
Indeed
Oh shit, I didn't realise how old this video was until you said SMT V was "due to release." Damn.
While I'm not the biggest fan of the franchise as a whole simply because of difficulty, accessibility, and just not having the money, I find SMT and it's spin-offs fascinating. I know plenty like Tokyo Mirage Sessions, but I would've really loved to see how a true SMT x Fire Emblem crossover would've turned out. I mean, I don't even know how it'd work if it didn't just take Devil Survivor's gameplay, but seeing characters and concepts from the entirety of both franchises would've been crazy.
I get the gist of what you're saying but #FE is essentially a mashup of Megaten concepts and Fire Emblem characters. The orginal crossover idea would be interesting tho
@@TheDsLeet I completely understand where you're coming from. It's neat, and truly unique, but when they initially presented the idea many kinda thought a more traditional crossover would be coming. The two series aren't exactly known for the tone and style #FE gives off. And don't get me wrong, I like the style- I like Persona and games like it and #FE, but #FE just isn't for me. It's really cool what they did with the crossover regardless, definitely not what I expected, but nothing horrible either.
As one of the six people whose first SMT was the Raidou games, I am pleased.
They are Persona series, Shin Megami Tensei series, and THE REAL Shin Megoomie Tensay game.
Like Nocturne or Strange Journey ...
This video is full of facts, research and overall a perfect guide for the franchise.
It might have a lot of facts about the franchise, but it is a bad guide to the community. The humor is also bad and generally comes off as more mean-spirited than ironic.
@@sigurdtheblue Man but then again, Jack Bros is the best title in the franchise
*Bravo-1 from Drakengard:* How did I get here?
I’m only here because I bought Devil Survivor 2 Record Breaker in like 2017 and loved it
Ironically I never thought the rabbit hole would go this deep lmao
19:55
Oh good, you noticed it too. I was playing Soul Hackers at the time I picked up Cyber Sleuth, started joking about the connection, and then just... saw it happen in real time.
I'll happily discuss this with you if you want. I literally predicted the end of Cyber Sleuth because of Soul Hackers.
Yeeeaaa Demikids! That was my first SMT
You've earned a subscriber. I was always wondering what was what. I also wondered a bunch of what the series had in store and what is was like before I got into Persona. Thank you!
You think Devil summoners has it hard? Imagine being a fan of Devil Survivor and having a terrible anime and people thinking it is a rip off of Cyber Sleuth due to the art
So I'm from the Persona franchise and watching this video helped not only showcasing all the games in/associated with Mega Ten but also telling me that... this shit is crazy. Their truly not being a right answer to the question unless Atlus clarifies it and finally gives a concrete answer. Saying this though, I think it doesn't really matter what is or isn't Mega Ten. Just play the games and have fun with them. I myself really want to try a mainline Shin Megami Tensei game but just have not gotten around to it. Any suggestions?
SMT IV would probably be the best place to start for main line, unless you can tolerate high encounter rates and some occasional archaic design choices then I would recommend SMTI
Nice video, as always!
I find it perfectly appropriate to Yu Narukami strutting his stuff with the breakdown of the Persona series titles... it's such a chad move.
I've always loved the SMT franchise sound tracks
You are right about branding in the west being a big factor. The only reason I picked up Persona 3 back in the day was because it had SMT on it and I loved Nocturne.
I was waiting so long for you to sarcastically talk about Jack Bros. You hint to Persona but I was thinking, “there’s no way he’s gonna skip this opportunity. He’s gonna swap is for Jack Bros.”
this is a good video not only because its a really good retrospective on megaten that i can shove into friend's faces, but because it helped me learned about the hidden hee ho that is the 3D on from the drama.
27:02 Yo did they just kill all those pokemon by crushing them!?
I watched your video like 4-5 times, and I finally understand everything.
Thanks bro, though the thought of explaining it all to someone else is a nightmare
I didn't fall in love with Persona, I fell in love with the Press Turn System. I love Demon Negotiation, I love abusing weaknesses to break the combat and being rewarded for knowing the weaknesses. Even if P5 was the easiest game in the persona series, it still hit closer to its parent series compared to 3 and especially 4 when it came to dungeon crawling and combat mechanics. I would take 3 over 5 for the story. 4 is too much dating sim. It's the most popular Persona game for a reason but that reason is not what I came to persona for. 4 has the weakest symbolism in modern persona. And I always wondered what does truth and the media have to do with a serial murderer pulling people into a TV world. The glasses, the crushing a tarot card. Persona 3 was Death, Persona 5 was Freedom. To pull the trigger means to accept that death is inevitable and is a part of life. To take off your mask means to rebel against the image that society has placed upon you. As of now, I started playing Nocturne and my love for the battle system it created immediately resonated with me as I was able to get the basics down about negotiations, and fighting demons as their concept as part of the human consciousness did return to Persona in 5. Dungeon crawling is fun because the dungeons are hand crafted and have puzzles compared to P3 and P4's Randomly Generated dungeons that are boring. And getting lost in Shibuya is still a thing when you first boot up the game. Thanks Atlus.
Okay, the Digimon comparison.🤯 I figured they shared some ideas, but HOLY CRAP.