Enki is the type of guy to see his best friend transform into an evil flesh monster and his response would simply be to sigh and pull out his spell book
فيل اول ما وول ى من لي والله انتو وه إلى ثوول ما انا لا وانا اول صور ا ههههههههههههههههههههههه ى وش ىا وه اى وزن ا 53:42 هل ىؤ مو ىن وه ر😅 وناةىرى اول😅 صور أن وش وش وش ىز او وهو ى موتى ل اول نب ون و انا لو ل مو ىو او وهو ما😊 اللهيوزى ون و هو لا التى ون ى وتر ومات😅ب ولا ةوري ولا قوه الا ؤ وولى ع ون اةولن انا والله ونا لله له إلى أن لا بس يا اول حب حل لله ولا و ود يا اول صور وهو واةمدلص وون انا ا م او@@juliancalero8012
Enki's whole reason for being there is because he saw Griffith from berserk ascending to Godhood and uniting the world and his first thought was "wtf that should be me"
@@LeadLicker Man I do hope this Griffith fellow does not suddenly turn the world asounder and invite demons and all sort of beasties that go bump into the night. He seems just so nice and pleasant
Cahara and the girl have such a tragic journey- yes according to the lore he is the most likely to have sacrificed for the girl to ascend and honestly i'm so sad for them both... He never got to leave the dungeons to be with his wife and child but at least he experienced fatherhood for a short while taking care of the girl and the girl knew kindness for the first time even if for a short period :,)
@@imightbetrollingyougiven the vagueness i assume we can believe he either escaped or was sacrificed. At least until the third installment gives us an explanation. IF it does
@@imightbetrollingyou If you use Rot on Kaiser his skin suit falls off showing that D'arce chances are brought Le'garde back from the dead making her s ending possible canon (what happened to her next is unknown though, maybe she is the Sylvian Trooper lol).
I just played that ending last night and it's still got me messed up. Cahara is my favorite character in the first game and for all he accomplishes he just ends up dying. But at least in doing so he helped move humanity forward.
I like to think that Cahara managed to get out of the dungeon like in the S ending, maybe the God of Fear and Hunger gave him one last favor as repayment for all the kindness and safety it had received from him back when she was still the Girl. Cahara never truly left the dungeon.. despite all the riches he had gathered in that place, the horrors and trauma he endured never left him till the end even if he's in the same bed with his wife.
Isnt it weird though? How Cahara spent so much time with a small girl and never meeting his own child? I kinda think the relationship the two have will lead him to something bigger, but who knows...
@@niktei1338i don't think it's weird, he's going to be a father and seeing a hopeless little girl all alone in a dungeon would trigger his fatherhood and ends up being naive enough to save her and thinks he might be able to come home later on. I mean this is a guy who still lets his wife/gf to be a prostitute because how poor they are and not shaming her ( though he wants her to quit ), wanting to take care of her and the baby ( who has a possibility to be not his in the first place ), putting his own life for the sake of the better future for his little family, yeah I can see him being kind and naive enough to bring her to the promised place expecting a happy ending.
It was all a dream. A vision of him returning to his wife and adopting girl to ease his suffering as he slowly dies losing consciousness. Believing he had fulfilled his promise and quest
I think that what makes cahara to be crash because hes a loving father and a person who works hard and sacrifice most of his time to work for the sake of his family In my opinion thats what makes him crash or weighted ,hes personality as loving and caring makes the weight , God of fear and hunger resembles fears not to feed your family or thyself whether it is food or love hunger isn't just define by intake it also define or pointing out to faith and love.
I like to think the opposite. The God of Fear and Hunger acknowledged his suffering. And the weight of that acknowledgement crushed him instantly. A god felt for him, felt all of the pain and torment that he had suffered in his entire life. In that moment, he experienced utter and complete empathy. A moment of being understood, so pure and perfect, that his entire existence collapsed with a sigh of relief.
Undoubtably my favorite ending is Ragnvaldr's where he kills all of the bosses on the island and basically becomes the medieval version of the Doomslayer. He wakes up every morning and unfailingly chooses violence.
The virgin L'garde: Tries to become god manipulating everyone in the process only to die because the player took 30:01 game-time to get there. RagnaVValder: His ending is him beating the shit out of every notable thing in the dungeon and unlocking endless run with enough equipment to make it seem like a common RPG.
"The God of Fear and Hunger acknowledges your suffering. And the weight of that acknowledgement crushes you instantly." Chills. Literally chills. Take my sub.
Shit, the god Valtiel in the game literally made a soulless creature in the shape of a woman with an embryo inside it and it’s heavily implied that he fucks not just the soulless creature he created, but also its embryo.
It's kind of analogous to how the notion of love has changed a lot since the bronze age. One cool interpretation is to see how much Gro-Goroth seems to represent common tropes of historical patriarchy while Sylvian seems to represent the historical rarity of reciprocal and emotional love, love instead being forced into a purely pragmatic, carnal, and reproductive practice. Sylvian seems like a goddess who tried to create emotional love, but the cruel world humans found themselves if instead focused on carnal and reproductive "love" for the purpose of survival and sensory gratification. Mycenaean and classical Greeks often considered women to exist purely for reproductive and carnal purposes, and often not people to share emotional affection. Gro-Goroth on the flip side is violent and destructive in all ways yet perversely curious. Gro-Goroth has the same vibes as the conquistador - a masculine figure in awe of the world who discovers through dismantling/destruction and plunders rather than builds. Also kind of like the myth of Caesar cutting open his own mother to see where he came from. Everything that Sylvian regrettably builds through purely pragmatic love and procreation, Gro-Goroth surgically plunders and destroys, forcing something new to take its place. These gods representing systemic rules is IMO a very interesting interpretation of these gods. The old world was ruled largely by these forces of Sylvian and Gro-Goroth - pragmatic and loveless reproduction/creation and patriarchal destruction, brutish power, and war. Alll-mer represented a radical shift to societies ruled by codified religious morality, but the hidden and unspoken undercurrent throughout all this time is the Depths, Fear and Hunger. Fear and Hunger were always there as a natural force, but in the coming industrial age of capitalism, Fear and Hunger as the major god of humanity's own creation is directly analogous to artificial poverty. While the old world was ruled by the harsh realities of nature and brute force, the new world is ruled by the self-perpetuating suffering we make for ourselves - a yoke we whip ourselves with to drive ourselves forward.
Fear and Hunger is about living in a world where good outcomes just don't happen very often, if at all. Yes, you can absolutely win the coin toss and not get killed this time around, but that coin is going to keep flipping. Sooner or later, you make the wrong call. Good planning and preparation, solid strategy and manipulation, all of that can be undone just because of a single flip of the coin, and then everything quickly falls apart. This applies not just to the gameplay, but to the world of F&H in general.
The coin toss mechanic reminds me so much of Anton Chigurh's coin tossing in No Country for Old Men. You can keep assigning the responsibility of fate to this coin as much as you want. Ultimately however, either flipping heads or tails is inevitable, thus everything is arbitrary and bleak. Strangely, F&H's world is pretty depressing and treacherous like No County for Old Men's world.
@@KingYahshua Maybe, but in F&H, the winning move is refusing to let the coin flip. In nearly every instance, the coin toss can be avoided if your guard on the correct turns, and the pattern is predictable for every boss. When a player is ignorant, the world seems random and unfair. Once enlightened, the player understands that almost nothing is out of their control, and you only have yourself to blame for your mistakes. In NCfOM, the "hero" could have absolutely left the money where it was, called the cops and let them know what happened, and gone on to live a long, happy life. Instead, he took the money, and from the moment he did so, the coin was flipped, metaphorically speaking, although it wouldn't land until his untimely death. He took a risk, believing he could beat the odds, when the smarter play was just to avoid the coin toss from the start. In F&H, we see this play out with Le'garde's tale. He leads a band of mercenaries to slaughter a tribe of people for the Cube of the Depths, then leads a coup he knows will fail so he'll get thrown into the Dungeon of Fear and Hunger, where he's banking on D'arce rescuing him. However, Le'garde had unknowingly flipped a coin when he killed Ragnavaldr's tribe, leading to a fifty-fifty chance of him surviving. Canonically, Ragnavaldr wins that coin toss. But it didn't need to be that way: Le'garde absolutely had the charisma to convince the current holders of the Cube to part with it, one way or another, without violence, and then Le'garde could have used other means than a failed coup that would get all of his men killed to gain access to the Dungeon of Fear and Hunger, leveraging his charisma and reputation to get in without being imprisoned. Had he done so, he'd have marched in with an army at his back, and the metaphorical coin would never have flipped, his success practically guaranteed. It was the harder path, but it would have been safer. Because Le'garde did things the easy way and sacrificed others to reach his "destiny" as soon as possible, though, he unknowingly put himself into the hands of random chance, which in the world of F&H will absolutely overrule prophecy. This may well be the ultimate lesson of F&H: It's better to do things the slow and steady way than to do things the faster and riskier way, since there's no guarantee that chance will favor you, and the opposite may very well be true. Never let that coin leave your hand, because once it is flipped, you lose all control over the outcome you might have once had.
@@FirstLast-cg2nk Ah, thank you so much for providing more context into the lore! I’m very brand new to the F&H fandom after watching Super Eyepatch Wolf’s vid (I won’t be playing either because I’m abysmal at survival RPGS lol). While both worlds are undeniably grim, it’s still fascinating how fate plays a huge role in the game. The only way to make sense of its arbitrarily unfair world is through a coin flip-a blind hope of some sort.
@@KingYahshua I recommend watching a few vids by All-Bones Jones, as he has several guides for how to deal with various enemies in the game, as well as how to get the absolute best start for each character. F&H is a lot more forgiving once you understand how everything works, The TH-cam F&H community is starting to really pick up, and there's plenty of info on TH-cam and elsewhere that will make the game a lot easier to handle. Even if you're hot garbage at Survival RPGs, I do recommend giving the games a go. They're super-cheap, and they are an experience.
I heard Le'garde's name as "The guard" this entire time, and wondered why he didn't get any kind of fancy name, and got so confused about how big of a role he had for simply being called "The guard"
I feel like cahara is the only one who continues to truly suffer the aftermath of the dungeon in his s ending, so being ¨killed¨ by the girl is an act of mercy. I understood that she convinces you to stop fighting, to suffer, and in my opinion, the character is convinced to stop breathing, so it's not a violent death.
I discovered it after seeing a video of a person beating all the bosses in F&H: Termina , the thumbnail being the thing that brought the most attention since platoon was in the thumbnail and i found that flesh tank design to be pretty interesing
It is possible. There's a sword called Sabbath in Termina which looks exactly like the weapon Cahara has in his S Ending card. Sabbath says it was made in the 1700s and even a happy ending Cahara would likely have died of old age in the mid 1600s, but who knows with time being all weird in the dungeon and magic extending people's lifespans. So if you feel strongly that Cahara made it out, there's enough evidence to make a case for it. As I said, my video is just one canon-friendly way it could have gone.
@@mutantwormgirl judge from different ending we got , the dungeon didn`t extending people rather it haunt them and probably die of heart attack or self deleted / something
It's like a cross between telling your own story, analyzing the proper story, and a video walkthrough all in one. Entertaining the whole way through. Great stuff. Playing the game is torture so I need this.
When i heard about it in 2023 I was astonished that I hadn't seen it before. It is so exactly my thing. I'm guessing the content got it both algorithmically and organically squashed, as nobody really wanted to be first to evangelize it. Termina put a more approachable face on it and now people are really rediscovering it.
Mad respect for the creator to invent such a macabre and horrifying world. Even the imagery is so damn haunting and disgusting but to put that together I have to give credit.
@@Instanence There are differences between based on something and copied from something. Fear and Hunger is based upon those authors, yes, but that doesn't mean they're copied.
@@Instanence All stories are based on others. Guts is based on a real life knight, all the way to the missing arm. George R. R. Martin's Game of Thrones is based on the real world events of "The War of the Roses". Would you dismiss George's works just because of the eerie similarities? Or note those similarities as the foundation in which something unique is sprouted.
For real! I hate how reviewers of this game never say what happen! Jajaja i freaking hate that. 😅 Like, im never gonna play the game i wanna know the spoilers dammit!!!.
@@vicentegeonix hahahahah same tho!!!!!!1!1!1!1!!!!1!!!! ... but fr tho, sometimes i find a review for a game and i think, "wow! that game looks interesting. i will never play it." i like my time, and if it means spending an hour instead of several days to several months of playing a game trying to get everything, I'll gladly waste an hour.
I really have to applaud how much sense this all makes. Cahara being the one who takes the girl to the depths makes the most sense since he's the only one of the 4 people who gets no mention in the sequel while the other 3 at least have some impact or are implied to have been around. I kept wondering though how it'd fit for him to take the girl to the depths at all since he was only there to get money for his love and their new child. Why would he even care what happens to her? But the cast meeting in some way and temporarily uniting for a while to intersect stories feels really cohesive. Only thing that doesn't get mentioned is how a certain someone becomes a certain yellow being in the sequel but I just assume maybe when he got remade and started acting like he was a God, maybe he just wandered to the throne with D'arce and sat on it and the rest was history. But either way, amazing job putting the pieces together like this. You really helped me settle some doubts about how the story could've rolled into Termina. I hope you'll someday do a video on Termina lore itself!
I made a community post about this. He's most likely a meat vampire passing himself off as a god. If you cast rot on him in battle, it rips his fake skin off and you can see the blood monster underneath, fangs and all. Cahara I think based on his dialog in the brothel is a responsible/heroic guy deep down. This being a dark fantasy story, that winds up biting him in the ass. Or maybe he escapes, but I was out of characters to send down there with her and he has a living descendant so it's probably canon-safe if he dies 😅
@Worm Girl Oh, that's neat, I didn't know he turned back into the blood monster if you cast Rot. That's the piece I was missing! So he just goes around masquerading as a God. Cahara being responsible also makes sense since the whole reason he went down there was to find money to take care of his woman and their unborn kid. It wouldn't be a good look for the soon to be parent to completely ignore a child lost in the dungeons. The entire explanation is satisfying, I feel. Thanks for the response!
Cahara does hold the Endless Spirit and the Girl’s mother was the Endless One. I wouldn’t be surprised if she latched onto him unknowingly, especially since the form she takes as the God looks a lot like a doll…perhaps an homage to her father since it’s described that the doll she’s given looks a lot like Le’Garde too but by the time they find him she probably believes he’s dead and gone.
Donnovan's writings in Termina suggest that there might only be one soul of each type and it's all the same person endlessly reincarnating, even living simultaneously. The idea that the girl might be sensing the same soul is really sad and sweet if it's true. Nilvan's plan was always to use Le'garde to father a child and get the girl to the heart of darkness so she could surpass him. Her soul may have even been acting through Cahara to do that, if he is indeed the one who took her down there.
@Worm Girl - True! I also wanted to add that Cahara could be another Beserk reference to the character Casca. Her name is in Portuguese (due to Japanese-Portuguese influence no doubt,) but as a native Spanish speaker I can say that when translated it would most likely be the Spanish word “cascara.” “Cascara” means ‘shell,’ but not the object, the discarded ‘shell’ or ‘husk’ that is left behind when whatever is inside it is taken out. It’s a word associated with insects and other animals who shed their skin (Cicada shells are a good example,) the abandoned skin of a piece of fruit that’s been eaten, etc. It’s honestly one of the reasons why Beserk is considered problematic for its depictions of violence against women (amongst other things) as from the very start it’s clear ‘Casca’ never had a chance to be anything other than more trauma fodder for Guts. However, within the context of the lore of Fear & Hunger, there’s more room to make the argument that this is symbolic of Cahara’s “endless” possibilities to become anyone he wishes to be as a husk can be “filled” per se by anything one chooses.
Allowing most of the endings to be canon instead of just one is probably my favorite take on the whole Alternate Ending formula, and you showcased Fear and Hunger's execution of such thing incredibly well. Making so many gameplay alternatives and routes to play alone into one coherent timeline was really great, and both the editing and narration made it really comfy to watch
I mean, by the point of Termina several things ARE confirmed to have happened relating to the S endings since Kaiser reveals he's a skinless body if slapped with Rot (D'arce's ending), the skin bibles are written by Enki (Enki's ending), and not only the fact Moonless stayed alive but there is a literal descendant of Rag that is also a hunter of monsters (Rag's ending)
I like to believe time works in a very twisting way in the dungeon. The mist holding you in is because there's nothing beyond it. You're no longer a part of your original world, no longer in your original time. That would explain why so many pieces from different endings that couldn't possibly happen at the same time in OUR time frame appear in the second one. That's the theory I believe. Basically the reason so many references to different endings happened in the second one is because they all happened and none of them happened at the same time. They all exist and don't exist at the same time.
In a twisted way, the God of Fear and Hunger was granted peace by becoming the queen and master of the very fear and hunger her very brief life in the dungeons was full of
I definitely don't have a desire to play this game due to the heavy sexual assault that can happen and depressing atmosphere, but I've been morbidly fascinated learning about the game through other TH-camrs. Someone on the review page for this game called it, "Beserk, but you're not the main character."
There is a mod that removes the sexual assault bits from the game! Not sure if that makes a difference for you, but commenting this anyway in case other people are looking for it
@@nautil_us that doesn't make a difference, it defeats the entire purpose of the game, you literally find a book about phobias at the entrance of the dungeon. I mean people can enjoy whatever, but it's honestly not even half of the experience watching a video like this, it satisfies the curiosity and that's it, but provides nothing that the game itself does, which is why i hate the bandwagoning happening with this game, everyone thinks they understand it but that is extremely false, they play it with k-pop in the background and the censored mod, like cmon bruh. sounding like an elitist is something i don't like, but i have never encountered a game that just cannot even be comprehended fully unless experienced in it's original intention at least until one ending is reached.
@@Myhaay I get where you're coming from, but it's also Not That Deep. If people wouldnt have played the game, but will play the game with censormod, they experience part of the game, which is better than not experiencing it. If you don't like it, just don't install censormod!
I mean he got it rough but i'd argua the one who suffered the most was D'arce: her loved one died, she got probably r*ped by the cavedwellers, she went insane with grief, ressurected her lover only for him to become a bloodthirsty ghoul and she was so insane she lived in delusion thinking it was all ok and she saved him
@@marupan_desu I mean, Cahara was also raped. There's dialogue that implies that Cahara was raped by the guards. And all the characters can get raped by some of the enemies. But yeah, I think D'arce had it worse
I really love how Fear and Hunger takes clear inspiration from certain things but still manages to have a fresh take on familiar tropes. Like yes while there is no shortage of dark berserk inspired fantasy worlds, Fear and Hunger feels like it does such a good job at integrating it into the story and ESPECIALLY with the gameplay.
I actually think Cahara might have freed the girl with lockpicking first before getting captured which would explain why there's a Le'garde doll in his cell. before escaping and leaving D'arce with the girl.
@@greenrandall143 when we decided that every ending is a canon, and decided to tie up some events to specific characters. Rangvaldr has a reason to do that, so i think its logical to tie those events together.
48:12 after beating the God of Fear and Hunger for myself, I now see how close this clutch was. Deadass if my Cahara was at half and I saw "Purifying black flame" I'd have just packed up and went home, good shit!
The amount of times I’ve come back to this video just to experience the story and your coverage of it is innumerable, can not appreciate you and your creative mind enough
Actually, after the release of Termina, the game got the impact the game deserve, I'm going to say that I'm happy of how Miro made this, I was active in the discord server and men, the work of that man is awesome, I think he deserves more recon
@Dwayne The Stoner Johnson does that mean well eventually get a comprehensive walkthrough for all the characters in termina? I find something new every time I play but eventually I'm going to stop finding stuff and wonder what what im missing
@@alteredstates927 I think so, fear and hunger in their first version wasn't even the shadow of what is today, Miro is going to add some content with the past of time, like the others characters and other things
One thing that's interesting is the marriage mechanic. 1+1 creates an unnatural looking but otherwise regular human result, but 2+1 creates a monster and 3+1 is even worse. Which implies there might be an issue with "asymmetry". So what happens if 2+2? If a "normal" marriage marries a "normal" marriage. Is the result "normal" or even worse? And further does that mean 4+2 makes a monster and 4+4 doesn't? Either way eventually you just get the platoon or human hydra i assume
Most of the creatures in the gauntlet are (most likely) an 1+1 marriage, and I wouldn't count those as regular human. Although, their separate parts both aren't humans so that might change some things.
Asymmetry isn’t the issue, it’s that every marriage brings you closer to Sylvian’s love, and thus further from humanity and our reality. Her love can’t be returned by humans because it’s so alien, sort of how the way two humans can be in love can’t be understood or shared by a pet lizard. It can like you, but it’s brain just isn’t capable of comprehending those concepts/emotions.
In my opinion 1 is the very image of a God and resemble humanity a 1+1=2 if not shared becomes like a Mutant or mutated type if the two combine to =1 is the very human this is how marriage should be to become as 1 rather than becoming 2 Skip to 2 ,There is Number 3 which is a far worser than 2 but this numbers 2 and 3 still have a good and bad story so this number is not entirely Evil 4 is the Void and no saving from it its the worse of the worse To my opinion this Numbers represents Human Division, or what we call the 4 dimensional Its very complicated but the real deal in the 4 Dimensional is the Number 3 where the True God lives The Gods here that represent the Game are only a God and Goddesses, the game didn't explain in what dimensional plane the story takes hold very confusing But this idea is i only reflect to what i understand in real life , New Order or birth of new Gods and Goddesses represents our future in real life too if the prophecy met this beings is likely to represent themselves as Gods and shale humanities belief I guess this game is likely on point and very interesting because most of what shown here is a hidden fact in disguise.
You really do strike a good balance between covering options and avoiding unbearable repetition. I rarely can enjoy videos like this so I really appreciate this. Thank you
Fr. Love my boy smoughtown but I can only listen to about twenty mins at a time before him explaining jungian psychology and Ergo and Ego and Anima, etc etc seemingly in a never ending loop 😢
we all know the canonical ending is that they all got killed by the dogs while looting rotten turnips of a barrel in the entrance, with exception of d'arce who lived long enough to miss all her attacks on a flying gnome. .... (great video by the way)
I’ve only known about this game for 2 months and I’m so happy to see it getting more recognition with each passing week. Especially the lore because I’ve been eating it up.
Me too, I known this game 2 years ago and the lote stills fascinating me, even some enemies and weapons are reference to some people, like Heartless Angel or Neco The Fergal, youtubers who shared the progress of the game, the alpha versions, even Neco made some series updating the progress of the first game, I would like to continuing exploring the game and Miro has some great ideas.
Soulsborn Lore hunters be like: "First time?" Yeah, sometimes, these kind of games are just on another level and its a good thing. Someone likes to just fly thru a game, be the hero, save the princess and be happy....and others, well, we dig to the missery, becouse, missery, loves company. . .
Last week I was searching everywhere for a detailed lore video on fear and hunger and couldn't find anything that came close to your quality of work. Thank you Worm Girl!
This is easily one of the most well made story analysis of a pretty obtuse and obscure game . The narrative you've done here was seamless and 53 minutes of story telling flew by in a heartbeat .
I like how you told this story. In places telling how to defeat certain enemies like the cursed blade and gnome mother, and secrets of how to avoid some hard hitting areas. Said all with a narrative flourish. Mechanics and story told nicely. Kudos, and thank yoU!
In my headcannon, the little girl fell to the depths alone after being separated from Cahara or Darce. I think Darce abandoning the girl to rez Le'garde (albeit somewhat better than her S ending does) is where she truly shows how far she's fallen. How would this happen with the girl? Well I can see Darce causing a cave in by removing Blue sin and getting separated from her. Where the crow mauler chases the girl after that, not sure if it is just me, but he really wants to eat the girl's head the most when I fight him. Who fights the God of Fear and Hunger? The girl does. personally I think she is the one who has suffered the most and resists the divinity forced on her once she falls to the depths. But just as her warped soul tells her, why resist, why not embrace the end? And so she does, the child born in that vile place never left, all the small traces of kindness given to her by Darce via the doll, Cahara via the dagger he gifted her, in the end all of it meant nothing compared to the incarnated suffering of mankind. But the pain of that child, her struggle had a purpose. The question remains...was all that progress worth an innocent child's life. Knowing that Cahara is the only one who feels regret and dreams of that dungeon after attaining wealth, perhaps he is the one who still remembers the child as the individual she was, one last kindness given to her by a stranger that happened to meet her in that dark place.
@@ciarangallagher9330 Some people interpret the first stage where she's writhing in agony as her feeble attempt to stop herself from becoming what she always was. She tries her damned hardest even to the point where as she loses all humanity that came from both her parents yet she still remembers the simple kindness'sthat she was afforded before ascension but it's still meaningless in the end.
@@Parasolhyena I saw it as her having lingering memories that were fading, and being in agony because her humanity was being erased and she was rapidly morphing into a monstrosity, there's no fight there Even you don't necessarily fight it, you just struggle until it acknowledges your suffering Either way though she didn't get there alone, if she could Nilvan wouldn't need your help. Same goes for Le'Garde, one of the PCs is involved in getting him to the throne (D'arce) Ragnavald plays a central role with moonless and the clan, Enki canonically got to the throne then came back somehow, so Cahara's the only option
D'Arce is such a peculiar character. Or at least that's how I perceived her. She 100% feels to me the most "moral" of the 4, yet she falls into the darkest place because of her love. I like to believe that she goes through Ending A simply because she gets a gentle death and doesn't reduce herself to ressurect a dead man into a Monster.
@@lorenzomeulli750 She's the one who tries to be the most moral, but she's also a blatant hypocrite. Le'garde was committing the same atrocious acts that made D'arce leave the Holy Knights, her love for him simply made her turn a blind eye. Ultimately, I do think it's thematically appropriate that in the end she sacrifices all of her morals just to bring back a husk of the man she loved.
I think all characters went into the dungeon at the same time. Therefore, as NPCs we can assume that they're always attempting to go for their S Endings (Cahara for a better future of his wife, Enki for further pursuit of knowledge, truth, and power, Ragnvaldr to purge the evil of the land, and D'Arce to get back Legarde by any means necessary). With that fact settled, we can also assume Legarde "King in Yellow" ending and Girl's the God of Fear & Hunger ALSO happened, because of the facts we know in Termina. Last but not least, Grogoroth's Avatar ending also happened, because of Osaa's Nashrah accessory. As for who does all these things, if not the Main Character, well, we can assume that Either Ragnvaldr or D'Arce, two characters who are not necessarily in it for themselves, could have aided into the expedition party's reunion, before continuing with their own affairs, and that expedition ultimately rescued, and got betrayed, by Legarde. It is possible that the expedition party took a short rest in the safest place in the city, where Nilvan told them about her daughter and maybe they decided to aid the girl, out of righteousness and having no other purpose anymore. They somehow ended up in the Gauntlet of the God of the Depths and the girl put them in their final rest, out of mercy. There was no escape from the dungeons after all. Later, maybe Nashrah also found the open maw of the, now dead, God of the Depths, entered it, and only found the Avatar of Grogoroth, which killed him. So, canonically, maybe no Old God avatar is dead. And in Termina, even Rher just loses interest and floats away. It's very likely that even avatars are out of reach for mortals and new gods. At least that's my theory.
Thank you so much for putting all this effort into the video. This is the kind of game that I probably would not play but I love hearing about the lore.
Just last week i discovered Fear and Hunger and immediately looked for lore videos since i fell in love with its horrible, hopeless world, just to find almost nothing This video is much apreciated
I like this conclusion for the characters. They have obtained what the new gods could not dream of: knowledge, renowned, and power with no need for divinity. A legendary warrior to slay the old legends, a scholar who brings enlightenment without self-interest, a warlord to erase and destroy with impunity, and a witness to a newborn force that rivals the old: fear and hunger.
I think this is honestly the best lore synopsis of Fear & Hunger out there by now. Would you be interested in doing this for Fear & Hunger 2: Termina? I’d love to watch your version of that video as well. Thanks again for the awesome watch!
I'd say it's a bit harder to do for Termina because there's no S-Endings yet and there's still some more content planned (Orange said he wants to make all 14 contestants playable) so in a sense the lore is 'incomplete' as of now unlike F&H. Remember that F&H1 didn't even have the S-endings during it's first release too and it was only several years later we got them.
The mythos and religion of Fear and Hunger are easily my favourite part of the series, and your discussion of them are my favourite parts of your great videos. Here's hoping my rewatches count towards youtube's foul and unholy viewer retention algorithm, the most twisted god out there.
This is fantastic work, I don’t often get tricked into thinking I somehow missed a massive channel with a large portfolio of bangers, but you’ve done just that. The only thing that sucks is the lack of stuff to binge lmao.
One thing I really love about this game is the fact that it really feels like there is no 'true ending'. The endings are given notation that sounds like a ranking system of some kind, but the way it works is deliberately unsatisfying. If you want your chosen character to survive, they each have a cryptically achievable personalized S-ending, but aside from maybe Enki who gets to glimpse godhood and live to tell the tale, none of them are actually constructed in a way that feels like 'this is the ultimate challenge the game has to offer, for which you are given the best, truest, canonical outcome' like most games structure a True Ending (for example, see almost any SMT game, where yes you are allowed to make choices culminating in an ending, why would you side with Law or Chaos when you can instead choose to join up with Lucifer and fight both and then kill supergod, especially when that's The Real Ending) Ragnvaldr goes on his boss rush crusade, but then he simply walks away, becoming but one man trying to cow an infinitely teeming void beneath the earth; the strongest to ever live will only ever be one sword and one shield. D'arce has to fail her mission, then piece together the ritual, and once it's done, her role is over; no final challenge, simply a fade to black as she unleashes something great and terrible into the world. Cahara literally goes in, digs up some buried treasure, and gets out without making any sort of cosmically important imprint upon the world; he returns to life on the surface, and achieves what luxury he can, but is irrevocably traumatized and emotionally disfigured by what happened to him even in the best of timelines. To complete the ritual put forth by Nilvan the Endless One and witness the birth of the God of Fear and Hunger, achieving the most complicated 'generic' ending ranked 'A', is to consign your character to death and the future of the world at large into an era literally coined by the game itself as The Cruel Age ushered in and ruled over by an idea, an effigy of all-consuming pain and suffering. To descend the depths without seeking to do as Nilvan wishes, simply to discover what could possibly be at the bottom, is purely a meaningless exercise in self-destruction, to swing madly at the faint remnants of an Old One demanding answers that will not come except for those that drive you unto death with their knowledge. To rescue Le'garde from his fate at best delays the inevitable should you kill him, or at worst does nothing more than complete the latest turn of the wheel of new gods should you let him live. To become a god yourself is to fall for the exact same pitfall as all who came before you; no matter what you might want to believe, nothing you do makes you any different than them, and nothing can (except for following Enki's S-ending path, which even as much as that might make it sound like a positive thing, he ultimately does nothing to *stop* the darkness drowning this land, he simply becomes someone known for having chronicled it like none before him) And, of course, there is no such thing as escape when you have made the decision to delve inside. You are already consigned to one kind or another of cruel, heartless, pitch-dark oblivion. If you are lucky enough to get to make the choice for yourself, the only one you have left is which kind you want to experience. All of this is to say: this fucking rules, actually, and I think every game that wants to make me feel like my choices matter needs to make all roads equally unfulfilling, because if you have a True Final Boss and an associated canonical ending, that becomes the only one anyone ever realistically wants. Meanwhile this game basically makes you pick between a Puzzle Route with an ending that anticlimactically satisfies your character's journey, or a Final Boss that swiftly and summarily destroys your life regardless of your momentary victory, or dooms the entire world around you. Good shit, honestly.
I've always wanted more SMT games to have Law and Chaos canonical endings but they're overwhelming majority Neutral endings. Sometimes Lucifer just has the right idea, y'know?
One year later, here I am watching this as I wind down for sleep well past a sensible bed time. Kudos for reading such intense subject matter with such a chilled out tone. The lore summary mixed with gameplay progression and solid editing makes this super nice to revisit as opposed to me just wiki-diving. Thanks for making such cool stuff. Very glad I stumbled across this!
This is incredible! I love your narrative style. Seriously. A lot of videos like this are either poorly voiced or poorly written. You hit the sweet spot and it's such a relief.
Gorgeous essay and analysis video. It sucks you have to censor so much but understandable. I love survival horror and especially lore-heavy games... this reminds me greatly of pathologic classic and darkest dungeon but much much more twisted. I have much trouble digesting certain dark themes (other than the usual things you would find) that are present in this story and macabre but this is wonderfully explained with such poise and professionalism it makes me less queasy! I very much applaud you for tackling such a heavy game! lovely lovely video. Cannot praise it enough. Thank you for helping me discover a new story.
Thanks! I was really worried the jokes might seem like I was making light of the subject a bit too much, but I wanted to balance out the tone a bit so the video wouldn't be too heavy.
@@mutantwormgirl being able to pick at and joke with the source material just shows how layered it’s engagement is. That is to say it was great fun :) don’t worry. Really enjoyed it.
It's odd, I have gotten this video recommended every day for the post three days and everytime I see it, there's an additional 100k views. Congrats on that level of success.
This is a story analysis that deserves high praise, well done weaving a cohesive narrative out of the chaotic nightmare that is F&H! :) I often come back to this video whenever I (for some reason) want to remember the uniquely destressing yet mysterious vibes that F&H has. What an experience to say the least.
You got me to buy this game singlehandedly I've already watched/listened to the video a couple times, so I kinda spoiled a lot for myself, but man, there's still so much to figure out. Thanks for introducing me to this
All of a sudden fear and hunger was recommended to me on youtube. After watching many speed runs I'm very happy to have someone go through it and carefully explain all the pieces. Thank you :). Maybe I'll try the newer one on my own
Now that I finished the video, I have to say that this game genuinely gives me goosebumps and shivers, it's pure horror and terror, not like some many games these days, it's not jumpscares or something terrifying, what makes a good horror it's the simple concept that you give it to, for example, the guards in the first floors are out of shape and form, and even adding that, they has the "stinger" that it's something that works, I know it is a penis but the simple concept it's what gives that game the Aura of an terrifying environment, I remember having nightmares after finding this game by the first time, still one of my favorites and everytime I played it, I used to found something new, very nice video, I hope you made something about Termina, it's not as remarkable as this one but the formula works on too, Termina has something that was missing in F&H and F&H has that something that complements Termina
The figures i see in my peripheral visions increased and overall level of fear increased by just watching a person play the censored mod 💀💀💀 this is my first time consuming a dark fantasy story 😂 just finished watching the 12 hrs gameplay vod.
I listen to this almost every night to fall asleep. You explained this so nicely same with your termina video it really gives me comfort and you got great storytelling
i remember playing funger with a friend over discord (he actually played and i frantically googled guides). and the guards and the after-defeat priso scene over and over again drove us a little bit more insane than we already were.
as someone working on a Termina lore video, the lore for these games really does just be like "well, THERE'S a sentence i'd never thought i'd have to say out loud, but i guess we have to talk about the centaurs now."
So glad this video exists, this game sat in obscurity for a very long time due to how impenetrable it can be at first, seeing it slowly gain a following over the years has been a delight. There really isn't anything like it
Really well done and told. There's already a victory in challenging yourself to play and beat Fear and Hunger as it is a demanding game in a number of ways, but your interpretations and story telling makes it very engaging and seems quite in line what Termina told us. Personally i prefer Termina for what it honed and for the immediate story it starts off with but undeniably, the first game already started strong, and ill never forget my first venture through it. One of those games that i cant even commonly recommend either
Never thought this game would come around so much :D As a die hard indie/rpg-maker fan i picked this one up a while ago and was instantly hooked by its rawness. It reminded me on Berserk for its cruelty, Angels Egg for its bleak artstyle together with some Dark Souls for its unforgiving nature! But it is unique enough in itself to be memorable. I think F&H is art! Thank you for this in depth look at this remarkable game
this game reminds me a lot of two games: LISA and Pathologic. the grotesque despair is like LISA, with a lot of body horror imagery and bs rng that hammers in the hopelessness of the world. People sometimes just die or lose limbs or become sick no matter how much you try to avoid it. NPCs can be ruthless and take you by surprise. Though Lisa is more humorous and modern than Fear and Hunger lol. I think the fact theyre both rpgmaker games help make them have this vibe as well. In a story telling sense, this game Pathologic has some similarities in that there is a cast of main characters you can choose to play as, and once you choose a character, the others left to their own devices make worse choices and can end up in much worse situations if you dont intervene. I like all of these games (though to be honest LISA gives me the most nightmares) and its fun seeing where they intersect coincidentally lol
Woah neat, untold horrors beyond my imagination! I saw the thumbnail for a Fear and Hunger video and got interested in the story. This was the only video I could find actually explaining it. It was cool. Thanks!
when i was admitted to the psychward this video was one of the few things i had on my MP3 player. i listened to it all the time for 5 weeks straight, to the point i can literally speak along with most of the video, memorized all the sound effects and their duration, and how you pronounce certain words.. it's weird to watch now that i'm far away from that hellish place. but i think i can say with more certainty than near anyone else that this is a very good video.
So to sum up the endings: Ragnavaldr- Becomes Guts with better depth perception Enki- Just kinda shares knowledge with humanity Nas'hrah- The Astral Projection Battle with Allah meme Moonless- Good doggy D'arce- Simps so hard she created a skinless weirdo that will forever fail at godhood ascension Cahara/Little Girl- Babysitting goes so horrifically wrong that the Babysitter dies as the girl ascends to godhood and goes on to fuel the industrial revolution
Ok, this may be my favorite video about F&H. Enormous props for condensing all the madness of the game into a very interesting story-line. And I would love to see something similar for Termina, though that would be more difficult considering the larger scope of the game. Anyway, thanks for making this. Loved the golden meteor metaphor. And keep up the good work. Good luck in future projects.
I haven’t played the game but have followed the game for its lore and unique gameplay. This is honestly pretty well stitched together(or if this is the actual canon story, great job covering it). It fits really well into the fear and hunger sequel.
I’m watching this video after watching your video on Termina and I’ve just started it. However I do really want to take the time and type out my gratitude towards you for making these videos, they are really fun, intriguing and awesome to watch. There’s a high chance you won’t see this but if you do I want you to know that I think you’re amazing, thank you for your content :)
I am so grateful that you weaved the explanation in a narrative. It really helps make the story better understood and, best of all, it's actually interesting to follow all the way through!!!
This is really impressive. A very effective way of combining events that NPC characters will do when not played with information from Termina. I would have made a few different choices but a lot of yours were better than I could have thought of.
Btw, the canon line it's fused in all the endings S, because the books of the gods in Termina where write by Enki, who I think somehow found the way of inmortality like the forbidden one in the fellowship
Thank you for your excellent summary of this fascinating game! I really appreciate the effort you must have put in to write the script and plan out which playthroughs you'd need to get the relevant footage in a way that doesn't take forever. And I am totally willing to squint and pretend Ragnavaldr is actually Enki. After all, not being a literal presentation is exactly the sort of thing Fear & Hunger would do. Your interpretation really helped me to understand that these characters are collaborating with each other both directly and indirectly in a way that is unbound by time and space. The moment it clicked for me was when you demonstrated that bits of Termina-suggested canon can only be achieved during an S-rank ending run, which is only possible on a difficulty that prohibits recruiting non-minion characters, making other bits of suggested canon impossible during that same run. So, like, Ragnavaldr is both the god of ultra violence from a hard mode run and they recruited Moonless on a normal run. Or how Cahara and D'arce were both saved as recruitable companions, but they're also the leading characters of their own stories. Or how certain actions, like who uses the cube to open the door, are implied to be completed by specific characters in a way that collaboratively helps the entire party, but when actually playing the game each character needs to do these things for themselves. I can really agree with you that there's nothing quite like Fear & Hunger. The way it weaves a complex tale across multiple characters is simply rare among video game stories. But for it to also not give a shit about whether the non-trivial story beats from any character's run is part of the canon I think raises it to a unique, masterful experience that contributes to the eldritch atmosphere the game is going for.
Thank you! And yes the abstract nature of the canon is a really interesting feature. I think one really important thing it does is let you assemble your own narrative out of the jumbled events. I killed Cahara in my story here because I think that fits narratively - trying to do the right thing in a world like this is going to have consequences for you, but something beautiful can still come out of it. But, you know, maybe he lived. Maybe Le'garde isn't a meat monster. Once you sink your teeth into it and decide for yourself what went down, the story now belongs to you in a special way. Souls does this too, but I think F&H is a degree or two less vague, so there's sometimes more to grab onto.
I watched my friend play this game, and he used a bear trap on the Guard. The Guard walked into it and lost both its legs, then he hit it in the head once to kill it. That's what makes Fear and Hunger such a dope game: there are mulitple ways to solve multiple problems. It's awesome!
What an incredible video. I’ve had a fascination with this game for years but unfortunately it’s relatively underrepresented on TH-cam. Your analysis was concise and comedic, but also very deliberate and insightful! Definitely a new sub here
Thank you for this video, as someone who is too afraid of playing this game myself but is very interested in the lore and story this was the first time I’ve seen a video that hit on all the plot beats and your writing and storytelling were really enjoyable
I played this game blind and enjoyed it deeply. I appreciated your breakdown of the plot, I'm subbed now. I loved the thoughtful organization of this material.
This feels like what dark souls "could have been". It obviously draws inspiration from both: Miyazaki's games and Miura's manga, and expands on both of them greatly. I wouldn't have the patience to play through the whole thing, so thank you for making this video. This was truly and literally awesome.
Dear Worm Girl, I greatly enjoyed this mixture of review and narration. I hope you keep making more weird videos like this one. That is all. Much love!
Enki is the type of guy to see his best friend transform into an evil flesh monster and his response would simply be to sigh and pull out his spell book
"I fuckin told you so!!!!"
**incinerates the monstrosity**
This is why Enki is my fav character
I relate to him on a deep, spiritual level. And neither of us are okay
he even fights with her sister to death tho he lost, her sister is too kind
He is a calm and reasonable person
"Fuck, john, it's the second time this week, get a hold of yourself"
"many people just turn off the game. This is a valid approach". Compelling and hilarious.
_"The only winning move is not to play."_
Finnish games do be like that
فيل اول ما وول ى من لي والله انتو وه إلى ثوول ما انا لا وانا اول صور ا ههههههههههههههههههههههه ى وش ىا وه اى وزن ا 53:42 هل ىؤ مو ىن وه ر😅 وناةىرى اول😅 صور أن وش وش وش ىز او وهو ى موتى ل اول نب ون و انا لو ل مو ىو او وهو ما😊 اللهيوزى ون و هو لا التى ون ى وتر ومات😅ب ولا ةوري ولا قوه الا ؤ وولى ع ون اةولن انا والله ونا لله له إلى أن لا بس يا اول حب حل لله ولا و ود يا اول صور وهو واةمدلص وون انا ا م او@@juliancalero8012
@juliancalero8012 و اول لةة😅زرهزر وش ثة هو ة ت
@@juliancalero8012 Have any suggestions?
Enki's whole reason for being there is because he saw Griffith from berserk ascending to Godhood and uniting the world and his first thought was "wtf that should be me"
he really is just like me fr
We stan a spiteful king
"Hmm, surely this Griffith fella didnt do ANYTHING wrong... right?"
@@LeadLicker
Man I do hope this Griffith fellow does not suddenly turn the world asounder and invite demons and all sort of beasties that go bump into the night. He seems just so nice and pleasant
Griffith: he wishes!
Cahara and the girl have such a tragic journey- yes according to the lore he is the most likely to have sacrificed for the girl to ascend and honestly i'm so sad for them both...
He never got to leave the dungeons to be with his wife and child but at least he experienced fatherhood for a short while taking care of the girl and the girl knew kindness for the first time even if for a short period :,)
Cahara's the one I wanted to leave most. It's heart breaking to know he died so tragically
So the canon story is him dying for the girl? I mean there is a ending where he got out with the money and because filthy rich because the crown
@@imightbetrollingyougiven the vagueness i assume we can believe he either escaped or was sacrificed. At least until the third installment gives us an explanation. IF it does
@@imightbetrollingyou If you use Rot on Kaiser his skin suit falls off showing that D'arce chances are brought Le'garde back from the dead making her s ending possible canon (what happened to her next is unknown though, maybe she is the Sylvian Trooper lol).
I just played that ending last night and it's still got me messed up. Cahara is my favorite character in the first game and for all he accomplishes he just ends up dying. But at least in doing so he helped move humanity forward.
I like to think that Cahara managed to get out of the dungeon like in the S ending, maybe the God of Fear and Hunger gave him one last favor as repayment for all the kindness and safety it had received from him back when she was still the Girl.
Cahara never truly left the dungeon.. despite all the riches he had gathered in that place, the horrors and trauma he endured never left him till the end even if he's in the same bed with his wife.
Isnt it weird though? How Cahara spent so much time with a small girl and never meeting his own child? I kinda think the relationship the two have will lead him to something bigger, but who knows...
@@niktei1338i don't think it's weird, he's going to be a father and seeing a hopeless little girl all alone in a dungeon would trigger his fatherhood and ends up being naive enough to save her and thinks he might be able to come home later on. I mean this is a guy who still lets his wife/gf to be a prostitute because how poor they are and not shaming her ( though he wants her to quit ), wanting to take care of her and the baby ( who has a possibility to be not his in the first place ), putting his own life for the sake of the better future for his little family, yeah I can see him being kind and naive enough to bring her to the promised place expecting a happy ending.
It was all a dream. A vision of him returning to his wife and adopting girl to ease his suffering as he slowly dies losing consciousness. Believing he had fulfilled his promise and quest
I think that what makes cahara to be crash because hes a loving father and a person who works hard and sacrifice most of his time to work for the sake of his family
In my opinion thats what makes him crash or weighted ,hes personality as loving and caring makes the weight , God of fear and hunger resembles fears not to feed your family or thyself whether it is food or love hunger isn't just define by intake it also define or pointing out to faith and love.
I like to think the opposite.
The God of Fear and Hunger acknowledged his suffering. And the weight of that acknowledgement crushed him instantly.
A god felt for him, felt all of the pain and torment that he had suffered in his entire life. In that moment, he experienced utter and complete empathy. A moment of being understood, so pure and perfect, that his entire existence collapsed with a sigh of relief.
Undoubtably my favorite ending is Ragnvaldr's where he kills all of the bosses on the island and basically becomes the medieval version of the Doomslayer. He wakes up every morning and unfailingly chooses violence.
Fear of everything does that to ya 😂 no need to be scared if they're all dead 💀 ☠
didn't expect "Ye Olde Doomsire" to be on my JRPG bingo card but here we are i guess
Or ya know... guts
Not just violence, but violence against all that is evil
He also has a katana and a cool Darkness infused four-eyed wolf making him officially the coolest character.
Love how the Outlander basically became Doom Guy divine incarnate and protecting humanity from the shadow with his doggo companion.
Rip and tear, until it is done.
The only thing they fear is Outlander
Still no bunny
Ye Olde Doomsire
The virgin L'garde: Tries to become god manipulating everyone in the process only to die because the player took 30:01 game-time to get there.
RagnaVValder: His ending is him beating the shit out of every notable thing in the dungeon and unlocking endless run with enough equipment to make it seem like a common RPG.
"The God of Fear and Hunger acknowledges your suffering.
And the weight of that acknowledgement crushes you instantly."
Chills. Literally chills. Take my sub.
Poor Cahara has the worst endings man :((
I hope he's happy in the afterlife.
Oh btw 3k likes and no comments. Feels bad to ruin it.
indeed lol@@TheBluePhoenix008
Dork
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I love it when games turn their fanbase into archeologist, historians, and philosophers
The small percentage who managed to kill the dogs in early game are menace to the socity
You make no sense. It's a game. Get over it.
@@Blackish1ntentxlmao?
@@Blackish1ntentx you misread it or something?
@@Blackish1ntentx This guy couldn’t kill the dogs
@@Blackish1ntentxr/wooosh
I love how Sylvians love for humans is like a perverted reimagining of the tale of an artist who falls in love with their art
Shit, the god Valtiel in the game literally made a soulless creature in the shape of a woman with an embryo inside it and it’s heavily implied that he fucks not just the soulless creature he created, but also its embryo.
It's kind of analogous to how the notion of love has changed a lot since the bronze age. One cool interpretation is to see how much Gro-Goroth seems to represent common tropes of historical patriarchy while Sylvian seems to represent the historical rarity of reciprocal and emotional love, love instead being forced into a purely pragmatic, carnal, and reproductive practice.
Sylvian seems like a goddess who tried to create emotional love, but the cruel world humans found themselves if instead focused on carnal and reproductive "love" for the purpose of survival and sensory gratification. Mycenaean and classical Greeks often considered women to exist purely for reproductive and carnal purposes, and often not people to share emotional affection.
Gro-Goroth on the flip side is violent and destructive in all ways yet perversely curious. Gro-Goroth has the same vibes as the conquistador - a masculine figure in awe of the world who discovers through dismantling/destruction and plunders rather than builds. Also kind of like the myth of Caesar cutting open his own mother to see where he came from. Everything that Sylvian regrettably builds through purely pragmatic love and procreation, Gro-Goroth surgically plunders and destroys, forcing something new to take its place.
These gods representing systemic rules is IMO a very interesting interpretation of these gods. The old world was ruled largely by these forces of Sylvian and Gro-Goroth - pragmatic and loveless reproduction/creation and patriarchal destruction, brutish power, and war. Alll-mer represented a radical shift to societies ruled by codified religious morality, but the hidden and unspoken undercurrent throughout all this time is the Depths, Fear and Hunger. Fear and Hunger were always there as a natural force, but in the coming industrial age of capitalism, Fear and Hunger as the major god of humanity's own creation is directly analogous to artificial poverty. While the old world was ruled by the harsh realities of nature and brute force, the new world is ruled by the self-perpetuating suffering we make for ourselves - a yoke we whip ourselves with to drive ourselves forward.
@@monsieurdorgat6864 Nice analysis thanks for sharing
@@slappytheclown4 Nas’hrah called Valtiel pedo or something 😕
So basically that's what this universe's Hieronymus Bosch (or equivalent) would be portraying in the Garden of Earthly Delights.
Fear and Hunger is about living in a world where good outcomes just don't happen very often, if at all. Yes, you can absolutely win the coin toss and not get killed this time around, but that coin is going to keep flipping. Sooner or later, you make the wrong call. Good planning and preparation, solid strategy and manipulation, all of that can be undone just because of a single flip of the coin, and then everything quickly falls apart. This applies not just to the gameplay, but to the world of F&H in general.
The coin toss mechanic reminds me so much of Anton Chigurh's coin tossing in No Country for Old Men. You can keep assigning the responsibility of fate to this coin as much as you want. Ultimately however, either flipping heads or tails is inevitable, thus everything is arbitrary and bleak. Strangely, F&H's world is pretty depressing and treacherous like No County for Old Men's world.
@@KingYahshua Maybe, but in F&H, the winning move is refusing to let the coin flip. In nearly every instance, the coin toss can be avoided if your guard on the correct turns, and the pattern is predictable for every boss. When a player is ignorant, the world seems random and unfair. Once enlightened, the player understands that almost nothing is out of their control, and you only have yourself to blame for your mistakes.
In NCfOM, the "hero" could have absolutely left the money where it was, called the cops and let them know what happened, and gone on to live a long, happy life. Instead, he took the money, and from the moment he did so, the coin was flipped, metaphorically speaking, although it wouldn't land until his untimely death. He took a risk, believing he could beat the odds, when the smarter play was just to avoid the coin toss from the start.
In F&H, we see this play out with Le'garde's tale. He leads a band of mercenaries to slaughter a tribe of people for the Cube of the Depths, then leads a coup he knows will fail so he'll get thrown into the Dungeon of Fear and Hunger, where he's banking on D'arce rescuing him. However, Le'garde had unknowingly flipped a coin when he killed Ragnavaldr's tribe, leading to a fifty-fifty chance of him surviving. Canonically, Ragnavaldr wins that coin toss.
But it didn't need to be that way: Le'garde absolutely had the charisma to convince the current holders of the Cube to part with it, one way or another, without violence, and then Le'garde could have used other means than a failed coup that would get all of his men killed to gain access to the Dungeon of Fear and Hunger, leveraging his charisma and reputation to get in without being imprisoned. Had he done so, he'd have marched in with an army at his back, and the metaphorical coin would never have flipped, his success practically guaranteed. It was the harder path, but it would have been safer.
Because Le'garde did things the easy way and sacrificed others to reach his "destiny" as soon as possible, though, he unknowingly put himself into the hands of random chance, which in the world of F&H will absolutely overrule prophecy. This may well be the ultimate lesson of F&H: It's better to do things the slow and steady way than to do things the faster and riskier way, since there's no guarantee that chance will favor you, and the opposite may very well be true. Never let that coin leave your hand, because once it is flipped, you lose all control over the outcome you might have once had.
@@FirstLast-cg2nk Ah, thank you so much for providing more context into the lore! I’m very brand new to the F&H fandom after watching Super Eyepatch Wolf’s vid (I won’t be playing either because I’m abysmal at survival RPGS lol).
While both worlds are undeniably grim, it’s still fascinating how fate plays a huge role in the game. The only way to make sense of its arbitrarily unfair world is through a coin flip-a blind hope of some sort.
@@KingYahshua This is a very perfect comparison to the coin toss
@@KingYahshua I recommend watching a few vids by All-Bones Jones, as he has several guides for how to deal with various enemies in the game, as well as how to get the absolute best start for each character. F&H is a lot more forgiving once you understand how everything works, The TH-cam F&H community is starting to really pick up, and there's plenty of info on TH-cam and elsewhere that will make the game a lot easier to handle. Even if you're hot garbage at Survival RPGs, I do recommend giving the games a go. They're super-cheap, and they are an experience.
I heard Le'garde's name as "The guard" this entire time, and wondered why he didn't get any kind of fancy name, and got so confused about how big of a role he had for simply being called "The guard"
Le garde is literally french for The guard
@@Melheck I believe it.
lmao
same like for me who never played the game and got lost I thought the girl was chasing a guard who killed imprisoned her lover 😭😭😭
No not the guard
Fun fact: you can use necromancy on All-Mer's corpse. But instead of raising an Ascended God as your minion, you only "raise" his pp.
w-w-what!!??!?!
truly one of the games of all time
Huh!? 😂😂
i hate to say it is true
I fucking love this game
I feel like cahara is the only one who continues to truly suffer the aftermath of the dungeon in his s ending, so being ¨killed¨ by the girl is an act of mercy. I understood that she convinces you to stop fighting, to suffer, and in my opinion, the character is convinced to stop breathing, so it's not a violent death.
What is fear without opposition, I think after all his suffering the new God has to grant him peace.
Fear and Hunger seems to be having a weird renaissance on TH-cam and I'm all here for it
I was introduced to via a review like two weeks ago and yeah it seems like all of sudden there is a ton of new videos for it.
I had the algorithm recommend a video on it a month or two ago having never heard of it and have watched half a dozen since.
Fear and Hunger 2 came out in December, a whole new swarm of people found out the first existed
I discovered it after seeing a video of a person beating all the bosses in F&H: Termina , the thumbnail being the thing that brought the most attention since platoon was in the thumbnail and i found that flesh tank design to be pretty interesing
Listen fear and hunger termina goes fucking hard
Im all for this game getting more popularity
I feel so bad for Cahara, I like to believe that all characters S endings are canon and he got to go back to his wife and child 😔
It is possible. There's a sword called Sabbath in Termina which looks exactly like the weapon Cahara has in his S Ending card. Sabbath says it was made in the 1700s and even a happy ending Cahara would likely have died of old age in the mid 1600s, but who knows with time being all weird in the dungeon and magic extending people's lifespans.
So if you feel strongly that Cahara made it out, there's enough evidence to make a case for it. As I said, my video is just one canon-friendly way it could have gone.
more then likely he die as ending A was canon when the girl pretty much kill everyone in the dungeon .
@@mutantwormgirl judge from different ending we got , the dungeon didn`t extending people rather it haunt them and probably die of heart attack or self deleted / something
Yeah I agree. His S ending shows that even if he does get out, he basically never sleeps again.
I've heard the theory that all the S endings are canon, and some other group of adventurers led the girl to the altar of darkness and ending A.
I can tell the creators REALLY enjoyed the lore of Silent Hill 1-4
creator*
The voice acting is missing.
@@Skoopyghost yeah but it isn't necessary and honestly having no va's contribute to the atmosphere imo
@@Skoopyghost I'll take no VA over mediocre VA.
@@Skoopyghost no one would have voiced this good enough.
It's like a cross between telling your own story, analyzing the proper story, and a video walkthrough all in one. Entertaining the whole way through. Great stuff.
Playing the game is torture so I need this.
I'm shocked this came out in 2018 but never got on track in the USA during Covid. It would have been a perfect Isolation horror game to play at home
When i heard about it in 2023 I was astonished that I hadn't seen it before. It is so exactly my thing. I'm guessing the content got it both algorithmically and organically squashed, as nobody really wanted to be first to evangelize it. Termina put a more approachable face on it and now people are really rediscovering it.
Mad respect for the creator to invent such a macabre and horrifying world.
Even the imagery is so damn haunting and disgusting but to put that together I have to give credit.
Respect? Most of this is lame ripoffs. Very obviously from Berserk and H.R. Giger. Add on the typical survival horror stuff and you get this setting
@@Instanence like to see you do better, loud mouth
@@Instanence There are differences between based on something and copied from something. Fear and Hunger is based upon those authors, yes, but that doesn't mean they're copied.
@@Instanence All stories are based on others. Guts is based on a real life knight, all the way to the missing arm. George R. R. Martin's Game of Thrones is based on the real world events of "The War of the Roses". Would you dismiss George's works just because of the eerie similarities? Or note those similarities as the foundation in which something unique is sprouted.
@@Instanence The most L'est of L takes
Probably the only analysis on Fear and Hunger brave enough to show the spoilers and explain it in a timeline. Awesome video.
For real! I hate how reviewers of this game never say what happen! Jajaja i freaking hate that. 😅 Like, im never gonna play the game i wanna know the spoilers dammit!!!.
@@vicentegeonix hahahahah same tho!!!!!!1!1!1!1!!!!1!!!!
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but fr tho, sometimes i find a review for a game and i think, "wow! that game looks interesting. i will never play it." i like my time, and if it means spending an hour instead of several days to several months of playing a game trying to get everything, I'll gladly waste an hour.
Totally agree. I really am never going to play it myself and I know that makes some people sad but there it is
i mean a great channel that has review this game is super eyepatch wolf he shows like i think most of the game
@@Dami0162 no he skipped alot of things.
I really have to applaud how much sense this all makes. Cahara being the one who takes the girl to the depths makes the most sense since he's the only one of the 4 people who gets no mention in the sequel while the other 3 at least have some impact or are implied to have been around. I kept wondering though how it'd fit for him to take the girl to the depths at all since he was only there to get money for his love and their new child. Why would he even care what happens to her? But the cast meeting in some way and temporarily uniting for a while to intersect stories feels really cohesive.
Only thing that doesn't get mentioned is how a certain someone becomes a certain yellow being in the sequel but I just assume maybe when he got remade and started acting like he was a God, maybe he just wandered to the throne with D'arce and sat on it and the rest was history. But either way, amazing job putting the pieces together like this. You really helped me settle some doubts about how the story could've rolled into Termina. I hope you'll someday do a video on Termina lore itself!
I made a community post about this. He's most likely a meat vampire passing himself off as a god. If you cast rot on him in battle, it rips his fake skin off and you can see the blood monster underneath, fangs and all.
Cahara I think based on his dialog in the brothel is a responsible/heroic guy deep down. This being a dark fantasy story, that winds up biting him in the ass. Or maybe he escapes, but I was out of characters to send down there with her and he has a living descendant so it's probably canon-safe if he dies 😅
@Worm Girl Oh, that's neat, I didn't know he turned back into the blood monster if you cast Rot. That's the piece I was missing! So he just goes around masquerading as a God. Cahara being responsible also makes sense since the whole reason he went down there was to find money to take care of his woman and their unborn kid. It wouldn't be a good look for the soon to be parent to completely ignore a child lost in the dungeons. The entire explanation is satisfying, I feel. Thanks for the response!
Cahara does hold the Endless Spirit and the Girl’s mother was the Endless One. I wouldn’t be surprised if she latched onto him unknowingly, especially since the form she takes as the God looks a lot like a doll…perhaps an homage to her father since it’s described that the doll she’s given looks a lot like Le’Garde too but by the time they find him she probably believes he’s dead and gone.
Donnovan's writings in Termina suggest that there might only be one soul of each type and it's all the same person endlessly reincarnating, even living simultaneously. The idea that the girl might be sensing the same soul is really sad and sweet if it's true.
Nilvan's plan was always to use Le'garde to father a child and get the girl to the heart of darkness so she could surpass him. Her soul may have even been acting through Cahara to do that, if he is indeed the one who took her down there.
@Worm Girl - True! I also wanted to add that Cahara could be another Beserk reference to the character Casca. Her name is in Portuguese (due to Japanese-Portuguese influence no doubt,) but as a native Spanish speaker I can say that when translated it would most likely be the Spanish word “cascara.”
“Cascara” means ‘shell,’ but not the object, the discarded ‘shell’ or ‘husk’ that is left behind when whatever is inside it is taken out. It’s a word associated with insects and other animals who shed their skin (Cicada shells are a good example,) the abandoned skin of a piece of fruit that’s been eaten, etc.
It’s honestly one of the reasons why Beserk is considered problematic for its depictions of violence against women (amongst other things) as from the very start it’s clear ‘Casca’ never had a chance to be anything other than more trauma fodder for Guts. However, within the context of the lore of Fear & Hunger, there’s more room to make the argument that this is symbolic of Cahara’s “endless” possibilities to become anyone he wishes to be as a husk can be “filled” per se by anything one chooses.
People who didnt play the game wont understand how hard it was to do the amazing narrative you made, its perfect
"The God of Fear and Hunger acknowledges your suffering."
*we looked at my bank account*
both of us crushed instantly
I try to stand but, for some reason...I just can't
Allowing most of the endings to be canon instead of just one is probably my favorite take on the whole Alternate Ending formula, and you showcased Fear and Hunger's execution of such thing incredibly well. Making so many gameplay alternatives and routes to play alone into one coherent timeline was really great, and both the editing and narration made it really comfy to watch
"Comfy" is not an adjective I'd've expected anyone to use with this story, but here we are.
I mean, by the point of Termina several things ARE confirmed to have happened relating to the S endings since Kaiser reveals he's a skinless body if slapped with Rot (D'arce's ending), the skin bibles are written by Enki (Enki's ending), and not only the fact Moonless stayed alive but there is a literal descendant of Rag that is also a hunter of monsters (Rag's ending)
I like to believe time works in a very twisting way in the dungeon. The mist holding you in is because there's nothing beyond it. You're no longer a part of your original world, no longer in your original time.
That would explain why so many pieces from different endings that couldn't possibly happen at the same time in OUR time frame appear in the second one.
That's the theory I believe. Basically the reason so many references to different endings happened in the second one is because they all happened and none of them happened at the same time. They all exist and don't exist at the same time.
Time is convoluted in the dungeon
shades of Barovia. pocket dimension
Schrodinger’s timeline
That cats been stretched into spaghetti basically
It was basically a Dragon Break from Eldeescrolls.
In a twisted way, the God of Fear and Hunger was granted peace by becoming the queen and master of the very fear and hunger her very brief life in the dungeons was full of
this is one of the most comment ever.
I definitely don't have a desire to play this game due to the heavy sexual assault that can happen and depressing atmosphere, but I've been morbidly fascinated learning about the game through other TH-camrs. Someone on the review page for this game called it, "Beserk, but you're not the main character."
There is a mod that removes the sexual assault bits from the game! Not sure if that makes a difference for you, but commenting this anyway in case other people are looking for it
The main characters in Beserk don't get off easy either.
@@joeyjojojrshabadoo7462 and the side characters just die.
@@nautil_us that doesn't make a difference, it defeats the entire purpose of the game, you literally find a book about phobias at the entrance of the dungeon. I mean people can enjoy whatever, but it's honestly not even half of the experience watching a video like this, it satisfies the curiosity and that's it, but provides nothing that the game itself does, which is why i hate the bandwagoning happening with this game, everyone thinks they understand it but that is extremely false, they play it with k-pop in the background and the censored mod, like cmon bruh.
sounding like an elitist is something i don't like, but i have never encountered a game that just cannot even be comprehended fully unless experienced in it's original intention at least until one ending is reached.
@@Myhaay I get where you're coming from, but it's also Not That Deep. If people wouldnt have played the game, but will play the game with censormod, they experience part of the game, which is better than not experiencing it. If you don't like it, just don't install censormod!
Poor Cahara, he's the only one who isn't surviving and suffer the most
When he decided to be the hero for once he was punished for it.
I mean he got it rough but i'd argua the one who suffered the most was D'arce: her loved one died, she got probably r*ped by the cavedwellers, she went insane with grief, ressurected her lover only for him to become a bloodthirsty ghoul and she was so insane she lived in delusion thinking it was all ok and she saved him
@@marupan_desu D'arce had it worse but Cahara made me sadder
@@marupan_desu I mean, Cahara was also raped. There's dialogue that implies that Cahara was raped by the guards. And all the characters can get raped by some of the enemies. But yeah, I think D'arce had it worse
Isn't he like, suffering for eternity? If that's the case, I think he had it worst than D'arce
I really love how Fear and Hunger takes clear inspiration from certain things but still manages to have a fresh take on familiar tropes. Like yes while there is no shortage of dark berserk inspired fantasy worlds, Fear and Hunger feels like it does such a good job at integrating it into the story and ESPECIALLY with the gameplay.
A lot of h p Lovecraft too
I actually think Cahara might have freed the girl with lockpicking first before getting captured which would explain why there's a Le'garde doll in his cell. before escaping and leaving D'arce with the girl.
Also Ragnvaldr killed Legarde
@@seriousgranpawhen?
@@greenrandall143 when we decided that every ending is a canon, and decided to tie up some events to specific characters. Rangvaldr has a reason to do that, so i think its logical to tie those events together.
Got introduced to this game thanks to SuperEyepatchWolf and I am in enthralled. I wanted to know the story and thank god for this video
same :)
same
Same 🎉
and with that said, i definitely subscribed to this channel as well :) Really well made video.
Yo same
48:12 after beating the God of Fear and Hunger for myself, I now see how close this clutch was. Deadass if my Cahara was at half and I saw "Purifying black flame" I'd have just packed up and went home, good shit!
I'de be fucking dead
The amount of times I’ve come back to this video just to experience the story and your coverage of it is innumerable, can not appreciate you and your creative mind enough
I'm so glad you made this video! There's definitely not enough Fear and Hunger lore videos out there. Great job!
Actually, after the release of Termina, the game got the impact the game deserve, I'm going to say that I'm happy of how Miro made this, I was active in the discord server and men, the work of that man is awesome, I think he deserves more recon
@Dwayne The Stoner Johnson does that mean well eventually get a comprehensive walkthrough for all the characters in termina? I find something new every time I play but eventually I'm going to stop finding stuff and wonder what what im missing
Agreed, I was looking for lore about this game and didn't find much until this was recommended!
@@alteredstates927 I think so, fear and hunger in their first version wasn't even the shadow of what is today, Miro is going to add some content with the past of time, like the others characters and other things
One thing that's interesting is the marriage mechanic. 1+1 creates an unnatural looking but otherwise regular human result, but 2+1 creates a monster and 3+1 is even worse. Which implies there might be an issue with "asymmetry". So what happens if 2+2? If a "normal" marriage marries a "normal" marriage. Is the result "normal" or even worse? And further does that mean 4+2 makes a monster and 4+4 doesn't? Either way eventually you just get the platoon or human hydra i assume
Most of the creatures in the gauntlet are (most likely) an 1+1 marriage, and I wouldn't count those as regular human. Although, their separate parts both aren't humans so that might change some things.
Asymmetry isn’t the issue, it’s that every marriage brings you closer to Sylvian’s love, and thus further from humanity and our reality. Her love can’t be returned by humans because it’s so alien, sort of how the way two humans can be in love can’t be understood or shared by a pet lizard. It can like you, but it’s brain just isn’t capable of comprehending those concepts/emotions.
In my opinion 1 is the very image of a God and resemble humanity a 1+1=2 if not shared becomes like a Mutant or mutated type if the two combine to =1 is the very human this is how marriage should be to become as 1 rather than becoming 2
Skip to 2 ,There is Number 3 which is a far worser than 2 but this numbers 2 and 3 still have a good and bad story so this number is not entirely Evil
4 is the Void and no saving from it its the worse of the worse
To my opinion this Numbers represents Human Division, or what we call the 4 dimensional
Its very complicated but the real deal in the 4 Dimensional is the Number 3 where the True God lives
The Gods here that represent the Game are only a God and Goddesses, the game didn't explain in what dimensional plane the story takes hold very confusing
But this idea is i only reflect to what i understand in real life , New Order or birth of new Gods and Goddesses represents our future in real life too if the prophecy met this beings is likely to represent themselves as Gods and shale humanities belief
I guess this game is likely on point and very interesting because most of what shown here is a hidden fact in disguise.
I feel like Fear & Hunger is what happens if Made in Abyss and Darkest Dungeon had hate-sex and made a rage-baby. And I love it.
Not...wrong....
Who put the thing in who?
@@DarkOmegaMK2they had a fencing match over it, like snails
And that baby was raised with Berserk
I love that ended it with the prehevil bop song. My girlfriend and I both listen to it a fair bit. It's a cute little song 😊
You really do strike a good balance between covering options and avoiding unbearable repetition. I rarely can enjoy videos like this so I really appreciate this. Thank you
Fr. Love my boy smoughtown but I can only listen to about twenty mins at a time before him explaining jungian psychology and Ergo and Ego and Anima, etc etc seemingly in a never ending loop 😢
we all know the canonical ending is that they all got killed by the dogs while looting rotten turnips of a barrel in the entrance, with exception of d'arce who lived long enough to miss all her attacks on a flying gnome.
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(great video by the way)
or maybe they stepped on a fucking nail in a board and died of infection. I really hated getting infections in this game
I’ve only known about this game for 2 months and I’m so happy to see it getting more recognition with each passing week. Especially the lore because I’ve been eating it up.
Me too, I known this game 2 years ago and the lote stills fascinating me, even some enemies and weapons are reference to some people, like Heartless Angel or Neco The Fergal, youtubers who shared the progress of the game, the alpha versions, even Neco made some series updating the progress of the first game, I would like to continuing exploring the game and Miro has some great ideas.
Soulsborn Lore hunters be like:
"First time?"
Yeah, sometimes, these kind of games are just on another level and its a good thing. Someone likes to just fly thru a game, be the hero, save the princess and be happy....and others, well, we dig to the missery, becouse, missery, loves company. . .
Last week I was searching everywhere for a detailed lore video on fear and hunger and couldn't find anything that came close to your quality of work. Thank you Worm Girl!
Loved how you explained all the party members roles as a chronological story. I've watched a few reviews but I definitely enjoyed your style the best
This is easily one of the most well made story analysis of a pretty obtuse and obscure game . The narrative you've done here was seamless and 53 minutes of story telling flew by in a heartbeat .
I like how you told this story. In places telling how to defeat certain enemies like the cursed blade and gnome mother, and secrets of how to avoid some hard hitting areas. Said all with a narrative flourish. Mechanics and story told nicely. Kudos, and thank yoU!
In my headcannon, the little girl fell to the depths alone after being separated from Cahara or Darce. I think Darce abandoning the girl to rez Le'garde (albeit somewhat better than her S ending does) is where she truly shows how far she's fallen. How would this happen with the girl? Well I can see Darce causing a cave in by removing Blue sin and getting separated from her. Where the crow mauler chases the girl after that, not sure if it is just me, but he really wants to eat the girl's head the most when I fight him. Who fights the God of Fear and Hunger? The girl does. personally I think she is the one who has suffered the most and resists the divinity forced on her once she falls to the depths. But just as her warped soul tells her, why resist, why not embrace the end? And so she does, the child born in that vile place never left, all the small traces of kindness given to her by Darce via the doll, Cahara via the dagger he gifted her, in the end all of it meant nothing compared to the incarnated suffering of mankind. But the pain of that child, her struggle had a purpose. The question remains...was all that progress worth an innocent child's life. Knowing that Cahara is the only one who feels regret and dreams of that dungeon after attaining wealth, perhaps he is the one who still remembers the child as the individual she was, one last kindness given to her by a stranger that happened to meet her in that dark place.
The girl can't fight the God of Fear and Hunger, she's the God, she just instantly awakens
@@ciarangallagher9330 Some people interpret the first stage where she's writhing in agony as her feeble attempt to stop herself from becoming what she always was. She tries her damned hardest even to the point where as she loses all humanity that came from both her parents yet she still remembers the simple kindness'sthat she was afforded before ascension but it's still meaningless in the end.
@@Parasolhyena I saw it as her having lingering memories that were fading, and being in agony because her humanity was being erased and she was rapidly morphing into a monstrosity, there's no fight there
Even you don't necessarily fight it, you just struggle until it acknowledges your suffering
Either way though she didn't get there alone, if she could Nilvan wouldn't need your help. Same goes for Le'Garde, one of the PCs is involved in getting him to the throne (D'arce)
Ragnavald plays a central role with moonless and the clan, Enki canonically got to the throne then came back somehow, so Cahara's the only option
D'Arce is such a peculiar character. Or at least that's how I perceived her.
She 100% feels to me the most "moral" of the 4, yet she falls into the darkest place because of her love.
I like to believe that she goes through Ending A simply because she gets a gentle death and doesn't reduce herself to ressurect a dead man into a Monster.
@@lorenzomeulli750 She's the one who tries to be the most moral, but she's also a blatant hypocrite. Le'garde was committing the same atrocious acts that made D'arce leave the Holy Knights, her love for him simply made her turn a blind eye. Ultimately, I do think it's thematically appropriate that in the end she sacrifices all of her morals just to bring back a husk of the man she loved.
I think all characters went into the dungeon at the same time. Therefore, as NPCs we can assume that they're always attempting to go for their S Endings (Cahara for a better future of his wife, Enki for further pursuit of knowledge, truth, and power, Ragnvaldr to purge the evil of the land, and D'Arce to get back Legarde by any means necessary). With that fact settled, we can also assume Legarde "King in Yellow" ending and Girl's the God of Fear & Hunger ALSO happened, because of the facts we know in Termina. Last but not least, Grogoroth's Avatar ending also happened, because of Osaa's Nashrah accessory. As for who does all these things, if not the Main Character, well, we can assume that Either Ragnvaldr or D'Arce, two characters who are not necessarily in it for themselves, could have aided into the expedition party's reunion, before continuing with their own affairs, and that expedition ultimately rescued, and got betrayed, by Legarde. It is possible that the expedition party took a short rest in the safest place in the city, where Nilvan told them about her daughter and maybe they decided to aid the girl, out of righteousness and having no other purpose anymore. They somehow ended up in the Gauntlet of the God of the Depths and the girl put them in their final rest, out of mercy. There was no escape from the dungeons after all. Later, maybe Nashrah also found the open maw of the, now dead, God of the Depths, entered it, and only found the Avatar of Grogoroth, which killed him. So, canonically, maybe no Old God avatar is dead. And in Termina, even Rher just loses interest and floats away. It's very likely that even avatars are out of reach for mortals and new gods. At least that's my theory.
Salmon snake = lohikäärme (originally louhikäärme, flying snake) = dragon in Finnish. So the axolotl was indeed very much like a dragon.
yeah got that and chuckled , torille?
I do not have the temperament and skill/creativity for games like this. But they still fascinate me. So a video like this is really a treat for me.
Thank you so much for putting all this effort into the video. This is the kind of game that I probably would not play but I love hearing about the lore.
Just last week i discovered Fear and Hunger and immediately looked for lore videos since i fell in love with its horrible, hopeless world, just to find almost nothing
This video is much apreciated
I like this conclusion for the characters. They have obtained what the new gods could not dream of: knowledge, renowned, and power with no need for divinity. A legendary warrior to slay the old legends, a scholar who brings enlightenment without self-interest, a warlord to erase and destroy with impunity, and a witness to a newborn force that rivals the old: fear and hunger.
Nicely worded.
I think this is honestly the best lore synopsis of Fear & Hunger out there by now.
Would you be interested in doing this for Fear & Hunger 2: Termina? I’d love to watch your version of that video as well.
Thanks again for the awesome watch!
I'd say it's a bit harder to do for Termina because there's no S-Endings yet and there's still some more content planned (Orange said he wants to make all 14 contestants playable) so in a sense the lore is 'incomplete' as of now unlike F&H. Remember that F&H1 didn't even have the S-endings during it's first release too and it was only several years later we got them.
The mythos and religion of Fear and Hunger are easily my favourite part of the series, and your discussion of them are my favourite parts of your great videos. Here's hoping my rewatches count towards youtube's foul and unholy viewer retention algorithm, the most twisted god out there.
The "Moonless is hungry" notification popping up right as Francois gets toasted is pretty funny
This is fantastic work, I don’t often get tricked into thinking I somehow missed a massive channel with a large portfolio of bangers, but you’ve done just that. The only thing that sucks is the lack of stuff to binge lmao.
I'm working on it, but my next script is already twice as long as this one and I'm only just getting started, haha.
‘a large portfolio of bangers’ is just so poetic
One thing I really love about this game is the fact that it really feels like there is no 'true ending'. The endings are given notation that sounds like a ranking system of some kind, but the way it works is deliberately unsatisfying. If you want your chosen character to survive, they each have a cryptically achievable personalized S-ending, but aside from maybe Enki who gets to glimpse godhood and live to tell the tale, none of them are actually constructed in a way that feels like 'this is the ultimate challenge the game has to offer, for which you are given the best, truest, canonical outcome' like most games structure a True Ending (for example, see almost any SMT game, where yes you are allowed to make choices culminating in an ending, why would you side with Law or Chaos when you can instead choose to join up with Lucifer and fight both and then kill supergod, especially when that's The Real Ending)
Ragnvaldr goes on his boss rush crusade, but then he simply walks away, becoming but one man trying to cow an infinitely teeming void beneath the earth; the strongest to ever live will only ever be one sword and one shield.
D'arce has to fail her mission, then piece together the ritual, and once it's done, her role is over; no final challenge, simply a fade to black as she unleashes something great and terrible into the world.
Cahara literally goes in, digs up some buried treasure, and gets out without making any sort of cosmically important imprint upon the world; he returns to life on the surface, and achieves what luxury he can, but is irrevocably traumatized and emotionally disfigured by what happened to him even in the best of timelines.
To complete the ritual put forth by Nilvan the Endless One and witness the birth of the God of Fear and Hunger, achieving the most complicated 'generic' ending ranked 'A', is to consign your character to death and the future of the world at large into an era literally coined by the game itself as The Cruel Age ushered in and ruled over by an idea, an effigy of all-consuming pain and suffering.
To descend the depths without seeking to do as Nilvan wishes, simply to discover what could possibly be at the bottom, is purely a meaningless exercise in self-destruction, to swing madly at the faint remnants of an Old One demanding answers that will not come except for those that drive you unto death with their knowledge.
To rescue Le'garde from his fate at best delays the inevitable should you kill him, or at worst does nothing more than complete the latest turn of the wheel of new gods should you let him live.
To become a god yourself is to fall for the exact same pitfall as all who came before you; no matter what you might want to believe, nothing you do makes you any different than them, and nothing can (except for following Enki's S-ending path, which even as much as that might make it sound like a positive thing, he ultimately does nothing to *stop* the darkness drowning this land, he simply becomes someone known for having chronicled it like none before him)
And, of course, there is no such thing as escape when you have made the decision to delve inside. You are already consigned to one kind or another of cruel, heartless, pitch-dark oblivion. If you are lucky enough to get to make the choice for yourself, the only one you have left is which kind you want to experience.
All of this is to say: this fucking rules, actually, and I think every game that wants to make me feel like my choices matter needs to make all roads equally unfulfilling, because if you have a True Final Boss and an associated canonical ending, that becomes the only one anyone ever realistically wants.
Meanwhile this game basically makes you pick between a Puzzle Route with an ending that anticlimactically satisfies your character's journey, or a Final Boss that swiftly and summarily destroys your life regardless of your momentary victory, or dooms the entire world around you. Good shit, honestly.
I've always wanted more SMT games to have Law and Chaos canonical endings but they're overwhelming majority Neutral endings. Sometimes Lucifer just has the right idea, y'know?
@@certafanStrange Journey I think does this best with how it handled the alignments, but I agree
One year later, here I am watching this as I wind down for sleep well past a sensible bed time. Kudos for reading such intense subject matter with such a chilled out tone.
The lore summary mixed with gameplay progression and solid editing makes this super nice to revisit as opposed to me just wiki-diving.
Thanks for making such cool stuff. Very glad I stumbled across this!
This is incredible! I love your narrative style. Seriously. A lot of videos like this are either poorly voiced or poorly written. You hit the sweet spot and it's such a relief.
YES. Finally; a non-speedrun video that shows the story & endings. Thank you.
Gorgeous essay and analysis video. It sucks you have to censor so much but understandable. I love survival horror and especially lore-heavy games... this reminds me greatly of pathologic classic and darkest dungeon but much much more twisted. I have much trouble digesting certain dark themes (other than the usual things you would find) that are present in this story and macabre but this is wonderfully explained with such poise and professionalism it makes me less queasy! I very much applaud you for tackling such a heavy game! lovely lovely video. Cannot praise it enough. Thank you for helping me discover a new story.
would love to mention how cheeky the editing is -- a welcome comedic touch to the heavy nature of this video LOL :)
Thanks! I was really worried the jokes might seem like I was making light of the subject a bit too much, but I wanted to balance out the tone a bit so the video wouldn't be too heavy.
@@mutantwormgirl being able to pick at and joke with the source material just shows how layered it’s engagement is. That is to say it was great fun :) don’t worry. Really enjoyed it.
It's odd, I have gotten this video recommended every day for the post three days and everytime I see it, there's an additional 100k views. Congrats on that level of success.
Thank you! I didn't expect it would blow up so much, I'm really grateful it has.
This is a story analysis that deserves high praise, well done weaving a cohesive narrative out of the chaotic nightmare that is F&H! :)
I often come back to this video whenever I (for some reason) want to remember the uniquely destressing yet mysterious vibes that F&H has. What an experience to say the least.
You got me to buy this game singlehandedly
I've already watched/listened to the video a couple times, so I kinda spoiled a lot for myself, but man, there's still so much to figure out. Thanks for introducing me to this
If you can stay unspoiled on the sequel, there's that, too! I'm so happy I've been able to help people discover these games.
All the other videos have been "I'm not gonna spoil this if you guys are interested go play the game"
No, I'm scared.
All of a sudden fear and hunger was recommended to me on youtube. After watching many speed runs I'm very happy to have someone go through it and carefully explain all the pieces. Thank you :). Maybe I'll try the newer one on my own
Now that I finished the video, I have to say that this game genuinely gives me goosebumps and shivers, it's pure horror and terror, not like some many games these days, it's not jumpscares or something terrifying, what makes a good horror it's the simple concept that you give it to, for example, the guards in the first floors are out of shape and form, and even adding that, they has the "stinger" that it's something that works, I know it is a penis but the simple concept it's what gives that game the Aura of an terrifying environment, I remember having nightmares after finding this game by the first time, still one of my favorites and everytime I played it, I used to found something new, very nice video, I hope you made something about Termina, it's not as remarkable as this one but the formula works on too, Termina has something that was missing in F&H and F&H has that something that complements Termina
I got nightmares for awhile during my 1st couple playthroughs
The figures i see in my peripheral visions increased and overall level of fear increased by just watching a person play the censored mod 💀💀💀 this is my first time consuming a dark fantasy story 😂 just finished watching the 12 hrs gameplay vod.
I think the music are the most disturbing in the censored version
I listen to this almost every night to fall asleep. You explained this so nicely same with your termina video it really gives me comfort and you got great storytelling
i remember playing funger with a friend over discord (he actually played and i frantically googled guides). and the guards and the after-defeat priso scene over and over again drove us a little bit more insane than we already were.
as someone working on a Termina lore video, the lore for these games really does just be like "well, THERE'S a sentence i'd never thought i'd have to say out loud, but i guess we have to talk about the centaurs now."
So glad this video exists, this game sat in obscurity for a very long time due to how impenetrable it can be at first, seeing it slowly gain a following over the years has been a delight. There really isn't anything like it
Really well done and told. There's already a victory in challenging yourself to play and beat Fear and Hunger as it is a demanding game in a number of ways, but your interpretations and story telling makes it very engaging and seems quite in line what Termina told us. Personally i prefer Termina for what it honed and for the immediate story it starts off with but undeniably, the first game already started strong, and ill never forget my first venture through it. One of those games that i cant even commonly recommend either
Never thought this game would come around so much :D As a die hard indie/rpg-maker fan i picked this one up a while ago and was instantly hooked by its rawness. It reminded me on Berserk for its cruelty, Angels Egg for its bleak artstyle together with some Dark Souls for its unforgiving nature! But it is unique enough in itself to be memorable. I think F&H is art! Thank you for this in depth look at this remarkable game
this game reminds me a lot of two games: LISA and Pathologic. the grotesque despair is like LISA, with a lot of body horror imagery and bs rng that hammers in the hopelessness of the world. People sometimes just die or lose limbs or become sick no matter how much you try to avoid it. NPCs can be ruthless and take you by surprise. Though Lisa is more humorous and modern than Fear and Hunger lol. I think the fact theyre both rpgmaker games help make them have this vibe as well. In a story telling sense, this game Pathologic has some similarities in that there is a cast of main characters you can choose to play as, and once you choose a character, the others left to their own devices make worse choices and can end up in much worse situations if you dont intervene. I like all of these games (though to be honest LISA gives me the most nightmares) and its fun seeing where they intersect coincidentally lol
Cannot wait to watch the rest of this, can already tell it's going to be good. Keep up the amazing work ❤
This is the best, most comprehensive video on Fear & Hunger that I've ever watched. You should do an in-depth story analysis of Termina too!
Woah neat, untold horrors beyond my imagination!
I saw the thumbnail for a Fear and Hunger video and got interested in the story. This was the only video I could find actually explaining it. It was cool. Thanks!
when i was admitted to the psychward this video was one of the few things i had on my MP3 player. i listened to it all the time for 5 weeks straight, to the point i can literally speak along with most of the video, memorized all the sound effects and their duration, and how you pronounce certain words.. it's weird to watch now that i'm far away from that hellish place. but i think i can say with more certainty than near anyone else that this is a very good video.
Glad to hear you got through your visit. Mental health (and mental healthcare) can be really awful to deal with.
So to sum up the endings:
Ragnavaldr- Becomes Guts with better depth perception
Enki- Just kinda shares knowledge with humanity
Nas'hrah- The Astral Projection Battle with Allah meme
Moonless- Good doggy
D'arce- Simps so hard she created a skinless weirdo that will forever fail at godhood ascension
Cahara/Little Girl- Babysitting goes so horrifically wrong that the Babysitter dies as the girl ascends to godhood and goes on to fuel the industrial revolution
Ok, this may be my favorite video about F&H. Enormous props for condensing all the madness of the game into a very interesting story-line. And I would love to see something similar for Termina, though that would be more difficult considering the larger scope of the game.
Anyway, thanks for making this. Loved the golden meteor metaphor. And keep up the good work.
Good luck in future projects.
Super Eyepatch Wolf's video on Fear and Hunger sent me here and, while I'm not the biggest fan of games like this, this video was just so well done.
I haven’t played the game but have followed the game for its lore and unique gameplay. This is honestly pretty well stitched together(or if this is the actual canon story, great job covering it). It fits really well into the fear and hunger sequel.
I’m watching this video after watching your video on Termina and I’ve just started it. However I do really want to take the time and type out my gratitude towards you for making these videos, they are really fun, intriguing and awesome to watch.
There’s a high chance you won’t see this but if you do I want you to know that I think you’re amazing, thank you for your content :)
Oh I saw it. Thank you!
I love your voice, your videos are absolute gems to put in the background while I do other things
Thank you!
I am so grateful that you weaved the explanation in a narrative. It really helps make the story better understood and, best of all, it's actually interesting to follow all the way through!!!
this dropped at literally the perfect time because this game series has been haunting me for the last two weeks, thank you for this!
Great way pf storytelling. Connecting the story while having the characters walk freely .
I would love to listen to more story explanations of the other endings from this game, this was a great video!
This is really impressive. A very effective way of combining events that NPC characters will do when not played with information from Termina.
I would have made a few different choices but a lot of yours were better than I could have thought of.
I like the upsurge of Fear & Hunger content right now, it's amazing.
Btw, the canon line it's fused in all the endings S, because the books of the gods in Termina where write by Enki, who I think somehow found the way of inmortality like the forbidden one in the fellowship
Thank you for your excellent summary of this fascinating game! I really appreciate the effort you must have put in to write the script and plan out which playthroughs you'd need to get the relevant footage in a way that doesn't take forever. And I am totally willing to squint and pretend Ragnavaldr is actually Enki. After all, not being a literal presentation is exactly the sort of thing Fear & Hunger would do.
Your interpretation really helped me to understand that these characters are collaborating with each other both directly and indirectly in a way that is unbound by time and space. The moment it clicked for me was when you demonstrated that bits of Termina-suggested canon can only be achieved during an S-rank ending run, which is only possible on a difficulty that prohibits recruiting non-minion characters, making other bits of suggested canon impossible during that same run. So, like, Ragnavaldr is both the god of ultra violence from a hard mode run and they recruited Moonless on a normal run. Or how Cahara and D'arce were both saved as recruitable companions, but they're also the leading characters of their own stories. Or how certain actions, like who uses the cube to open the door, are implied to be completed by specific characters in a way that collaboratively helps the entire party, but when actually playing the game each character needs to do these things for themselves.
I can really agree with you that there's nothing quite like Fear & Hunger. The way it weaves a complex tale across multiple characters is simply rare among video game stories. But for it to also not give a shit about whether the non-trivial story beats from any character's run is part of the canon I think raises it to a unique, masterful experience that contributes to the eldritch atmosphere the game is going for.
Thank you! And yes the abstract nature of the canon is a really interesting feature. I think one really important thing it does is let you assemble your own narrative out of the jumbled events. I killed Cahara in my story here because I think that fits narratively - trying to do the right thing in a world like this is going to have consequences for you, but something beautiful can still come out of it.
But, you know, maybe he lived. Maybe Le'garde isn't a meat monster. Once you sink your teeth into it and decide for yourself what went down, the story now belongs to you in a special way. Souls does this too, but I think F&H is a degree or two less vague, so there's sometimes more to grab onto.
every other character leaves a life of never ending torment enki: writes a book and lives a peaceful life.
I watched my friend play this game, and he used a bear trap on the Guard. The Guard walked into it and lost both its legs, then he hit it in the head once to kill it. That's what makes Fear and Hunger such a dope game: there are mulitple ways to solve multiple problems. It's awesome!
Soo happy I found this. For months I've been looking for a F&H story explanation video and only found short reviews or gameplay.
What an incredible video. I’ve had a fascination with this game for years but unfortunately it’s relatively underrepresented on TH-cam. Your analysis was concise and comedic, but also very deliberate and insightful! Definitely a new sub here
Thanks! TH-cam is such a great tool to help people access media, I am really enjoying being a part of that.
Thank you for this video, as someone who is too afraid of playing this game myself but is very interested in the lore and story this was the first time I’ve seen a video that hit on all the plot beats and your writing and storytelling were really enjoyable
I played this game blind and enjoyed it deeply. I appreciated your breakdown of the plot, I'm subbed now. I loved the thoughtful organization of this material.
This feels like what dark souls "could have been". It obviously draws inspiration from both: Miyazaki's games and Miura's manga, and expands on both of them greatly.
I wouldn't have the patience to play through the whole thing, so thank you for making this video. This was truly and literally awesome.
Dear Worm Girl, I greatly enjoyed this mixture of review and narration. I hope you keep making more weird videos like this one. That is all. Much love!