Design vs Lore: Dark Angels
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- Ludonarrative means "The Study of Game and Narrative" so our exploration in short means: Does the design of the Dark Angels match their story from the game? Let's find out together, where we explore the design elements of the Dark Angels
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0:08 Introduction and Concept
0:54 Pre Heresy
9:59 Post Heresy
23:14 Redesign
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Timestamps
0:08 Introduction and Concept
0:54 Pre Heresy
9:59 Post Heresy
23:14 Redesign
A lore point that helps with the evil look of the heresy color scheme, is that the dark angels were used as the exterminators of alien races and so that dark evil look fits with that purpose
The primaris roasts were great 😂. I don't mind the more natural proportions of primaris. But you're right, they don't have the same character. This why I've been kitbashing and sculpting mine.
I think that the primaris models were great but the lore... yeahhhhhh... but you're not wrong when it comes to the 'generic design' but I think just like when we talked about the Stormcast Eternals with just a few tweaks the models really shine
@@WhatareyouPaintingnowold head bias is annoying, video disliked
I’m so grateful for the HH models to deliver us from mediocrity.
Just to throw it out there. Before the recovery of the Lion the Dark Angels where just called the Angels of Death. The name was changed by the Lion to Dark Angels to reflect a Calibinite prophecy. "They will descend on pinions of fire and light. The great and terrible Dark Angels." being the last line of said prophecy.
This is so great. I'm about to start a Dark Angels successor Kill Team. Definitely coming back to this while im thinking of updating the basic DA green.
I dig the white & black helm to tell a story! Now i have to decide which ones best for mine (or a mix).
Glad it was helpful!
I went bone trims when I started my DA army years ago, wanting for them to be more forgiven... so great points !
Glad you enjoyed it! Yeah bone is great but if you want it look good its a lot of work often
Ezekiel is the head Librarian, Asmodai is the Interrogator Chaplain
Love this! Everything I want from a painting video - lore, design breakdown and suggestions for the future.
If you truly love it, you will set it free by sharing it, but more seriously if you want to see more of these share it! It is the only thing the algorithm respects, share it with someone who will watch it!
Honestly, I think the tabards/robes/loincloths/hoods should stay the cream bone/green. The bone color is highly recognizable as associated with the Deathwing and shows that leaders veteran status in the chapter, similar to how Veteran Sargents in codex compliant chapters have a white stripe on their red helms or the Crimson Fists show it by having both fists painted red. Having the green still incorporated with the Deathwing also shows them having solidarity with the rest of the chapter.
Also it should be considered that the fact they use a cream white instead of a pure white could indicate that they aren’t fully forgiven as well.
It's totally fair to like what's there but when we redesign we try and do it with the lore in mind - Cal
@@WhatareyouPaintingnowI was mainly trying to give my reasoning as to why to stay with the current versus changing it, as I figured that would be more useful than saying something like “it’s fine as is.” Just added the lore as it can be difficult to tell how deep other people’s knowledge of the 40K universe goes. Especially with how in depth some of it is. Especially with the Dark Angels ad their circles in circles in circles. 😂
Edit - I also just watched the video earlier about what metallics say about you and your army, which brought up an interesting point as to why we see so much brass/bronze used by the Dark Angels compared to gold. Would you agree that if kind of highlights them being the first and oldest legion/chapter?
@@WhatareyouPaintingnownot really doing it with the lore in mind making a helmet purple. The bone symbolizes veterancy, it’s why squad sergeants and veterans in the lore wear bone white robes, and like OP said, why the Deathwing reverse the color scheme with a green robe. They’re part of the inner circle, and it differentiates them from other chapters that follow the codex by not having them wear red helmets. And it doesn’t end up looking like a Christmas tree.
A fantastic video once again, do you have any plans to do other chapters or races?
If this does well then yes! And glad you enjoyed!
I've carried a similar thought to what you guys have shared. Scout troops haven't proven themselves so they get plain uniforms (good luck). Front line soldiers get power armor but it's basic and generic. I would divide up the green with cooper or bronze trim ( they aren't worthy of gold and have not earned the bone color). Ranking soldiers can have a little more elaborate armor, but I really like the idea of a knights helm. I do not like the faces being shown in general. The more specialized the unit, the more fancy the armor. Deathwing has earned the bone color so having the armor more in the white spectrum shows a cleansing to me. The unique characters get all the bells and whistles and should have the most intimidating look, like the knights of the crusades. Gold trim for the most honored Dark Angels with Bone robes over dark green armor.
Moving away from the native american designs that the dark angels used to have was probably the right call by GW, but I am fascinated by the idea of what continuing that path would have looked like.
I am surprised how little discussion is given to the design language of warhammer in the larger sphere of content. This is a very cool niche.
I think that culture should be shared and enjoyed, I think the main reason they steered away was fear. Like Sunny is Indian but Singaporean so we have a very different perspective on culture. In Singapore, everyone is meant to understand everyone's culture and I think being afraid of being called a name shouldn't stop people. Because that is one of the reasons I love this hobby it is such a rabbit hole where you can discover so much. Imagine if you could discover the rich cultures of Native Americans as a part of it.
But yeah, I think a lot of people talk about the design language of Warhammer but they really only skim rather than deep dive. But I am super glad that you enjoy our content.
Great channel!!!!!
I wish I could show you guys my Space Marines I painted back in the 90s.
They use to make opponents uneasy, and ally plays smile.
Flat matte black, absolutely no reflection or shine, golden eyes that look to glow, bone white and gold metal ornamentations, very few models without helmets and those that do not have helmets had that SG 1 glowing Goa'uld eyes, very hard to paint I may add. On the table, the black paint and the golden eye lenses made them look as if they absorbed all light and reflected it back out through their eyes. Very intimidating and unsettling, most people thought that they were Servants of Chaos, their armies died knowing they serve the Emperor of Man.
Well you know there is this link in the description... where we have a place where we give feedback....so...
Just saying, maybe you could show off... What you are painting now?
I would be interested in your thoughts on the early Dark Angel Death Wing Terminator artwork which first appeared as White Dwarf covers 120 and 122, before becoming box art for the Space Hulk expansion DEATHWING; in particular Wayne England’s Terminator Captain 'Eaglewing' with his native American folk art inspired bone white colored armor and thundercloud, rain/lightning and sunshine graphic motifs. Liked and subscribed!
A lot more white a lot less bone and a lot more scarface is what I would say with that one.
I am really glad you enjoyed, if you love it! Share it around and we will be more likely to keep doing that sort of thing
I do wanna say, 14:27 that's still a Firstborn Dark Angel. It's dated to 2013, a good 3 years before the Primaris were introduced. And I do think that had unintentionally influenced some of the opinions expressed in the video.
Fair enough I can see why you say that - Cal
Dang! Never seen such an in-depth breakdown of 40K aesthetics.
One thing I’d add is pre-finding the Lion the DA were all from Terra (Earth) and they only repainted their armor after Caliban was lost. Also, most of the DAs from Caliban were the ones who turned traitor. So painting their armor green to echo Caliban could be a way to remind themselves of that stain on their honor.
Brown hoods remind me too much of the watchers in the dark.
Thanks, as for the changing of colours I thought we made that obvious by saying post heresy which we could be clearer on.
Yeah, I think that is a bonus that they look like the Watchers
Excellent video! Hope to see more for the loyalists, or even smaller successor chapters!
The more successful the video is the more likely we are to do more so you can get more of what you want by sharing it!
@@WhatareyouPaintingnow Will do!
Nice video, glad I found you guys and I subbed. I good representation of the dark almost black green are how they painted the new Lion mini, can also see it on the recently revealed inner circle models. I was thinking of doing my marines in that style or readopting the Heresy era colors across all flavors of Dark Angels.
Glad you enjoyed I hope you enjoy some of our other stuff we have a fair variety of stuff, educational, commentary and more in between stuff like this
I'm so glad you did this breakdown. Looks like an amazing start to a series.
One thing I think that is important to note is that artwork doesn't equal the chapter. It's a very interesting topic, but rn I have a feeling that it's presented as "that's how this chapter portrayed now". But, while there's some truth to that, there's actually more nuance about that. Especially since the horus heresy color schemes are a more recent phenomenon.
I'd suggest looking up older codexies and white dwarfs next time to see how "official" color schemes recommendations have evolved throughout the years.
For example, blood angels used to be bright red, and slowly evolved into darker more "noble" red to convey their "blood knights" aesthetic, and golden armor wasn't as prevalent as it is now. By showing up, perhaps side by side, both art and minis color schemes throughout the years, you can give a more nuanced take while also providing a unique overview and analysis of those changes. Because yeah, what I really liked about that video, is your commentary about their aesthetic changes between firstborn and primaris and HH and current dudes, but I felt that some of the takes would benefit from more info and context.
For example, DA originally in the Rogue Trader were black with red. Later they've picked up the green drybrushed onto black basecoat. Much later they became emelard green, and now they are more often portrait in somewhere else more military dark green (not always). And HH version of them is both Rogue Trader inspired AND deals not just with secret, but with full on occult (demonic even).
And they didn't get their robes until, I think, 3rd or 4th edition (might be wrong here).
But I do understand that there's much more research to be done with my suggestion, so it would be totally fine if you continue on as it is right now, because it's still very interesting and encouraging to not just follow the official schemes, but to engage with them in an artistic way. One of the appeals is that Cal views while taking the lore into account, and Sunny watches from a purely artistic standpoint. Please, do keep that.
Also there was a minor mistake with that "chad firstborn vs virgin primaris" - iirc, they were both firstborn, but the edge lord dark angels was from the 6th or 7th edition codex cover, and it definitely had a shift in the artwork direction, but not a very huge one.
For the future and completely unrelated (well, if this video will do well and you'll launch a series, than it's somewhat related) - chaos space marines have had several major redesigns. Since the 6th edition they've started to run with almost "biomechanical" theme, while during the earlier editions they were basically "space marines, but with horns". There's also some visual storytelling going on - more highly ranked CSMs are, more distorted their armor is. If you compare regular legioneer with a Chosen, an chosen with a Possessed, you'll see how Chosen's armor is more distorted compared to legioneer, with tentacles and stuff, and Possessed looks basically like a final stage of the same process. Same with Obliterators and Hellbrutes, while having zero lore connections they still look like one is an evolved and bigger version of the another.
If you are going to cover csm as a whole, you might want to look into it. I'd suggest Snipe and Wib channel for older codex reviews, those guys are also awesome.
Okay so usually there, usually in the mornings I will answer the comments as best I can but there is a lot here so I don't think I can cover all of this, so know we have seen your comment but it will take a bit to get through
So, the first hooded heresy dark angel you featured is Merir Astelan he was a terran born Dark Angel chapter master who ordered the attack on the Lion on Caliban, the guy you described as a mercenary is Grandmaster Belial of the Deathwing company, throne you described as knightly is Supreme Grand Master Azrael, the old artwork you featured is the Master of Repentance Asmodai. The green of their armor is based on the Datk Forests of the homeworld Caliban that was destroyed because of Luther and Astelan and the Fallen Angel's. Their primarch the Lion was actually a monster hunter which fans like me all believe was a genetic predisposition as the legions function they were designed as the Emperors personal Exterminators if you read about the Rangdan Xenocides and how the lion lead the people and knights of Caliban (a Fuedal World) in destroying the chaos spawn of Caliban.
Finally glad to see a more meta discussion on 40k stuff. Feels like most stuff is just passing around the same lore bits over and over. Very cool to see the redesign and I learned something with the whole checkerboards-are-free-masons thing. Please keep at it, my favorite legions are World Eaters and Salamanders so here's hoping you guys have the passion to get there!
If people keep watching and keep sharing! We will! And yeah a lot of it (though I will admit I am the kind of person who watches it) is just have you heard of thing? I like thing... Do you like thing when it comes to discussion with 10k - Cal
And how come YT never allowed me to find Your videos... Those are what I've been missing in all those recipe-oriented room-temperature-iq kind of videos YT is swarming with...
Thanks for a legit content!
Glad you liked the content we are back now with fresh content just half an hour away! - Cal
@@WhatareyouPaintingnow Just played the video, like a second ago! Cheers!
Fantastic video love it personally I would just do dark green armor the trim and the chest eagle a bone white color and any hoods/ cloth be a black with some red adding the checker pattern as a call back to original colors.
with the gold trim? I am guessing by what you said.
Those sound like good ways of doing it so would the checker red and black or would it be red and white? I think it sounds like I cool idea because I can picture it but the main thing I think about is contrast, if you have super dark green and then a black cloak it would be ALOT of dark colours and not much contrasting
But yeah sounds interesting ours is obviously coming from a design perspective, with lore being factored in
@@WhatareyouPaintingnow your right a black cloak would be a lot of dark on dark so maybe I’d change it to a more gray with red to show the ash theme like your video said and maybe do slight checker patters on edge of cloak and knee pads.
Maybe the dark green is more of a forest emerald green not black/green. Gold trim for like the higher rank/ hero units.
No idea if it was mentioned during the lore portions of the video, so I’m just going to leave these here. They probably weren’t. So I am.
- The robes and hoods indicate membership within *an* Inner Circle. You mentioned the purging of a world of genestealers being an allegorical tale, and that’s entirely correct. Every company tells their marines different tales as they progress through the ranks, and (similarly to the black templars having veterans lead squads) squad sergeants in the DA are part of their Company’s Inner Circle. Hence the robes. Well, tabards. The full robes are for captains.
The addition of green itself is allegorical. Black armor was for the legion, and mostly the Terran born marines, and especially the Fallen.. *which I heard no mention of in this video*
The Deathwing used to be green. Originally, the story of a squad of terminators purging their homeworld of genestealers was the origin of the 1st company painting their armor white, and it still is, with a single mention implying it might be allegory. Ashes had nothing to do with it. The squad that went to the planet were basically native Americans, and they knew they were going to die, so they did their old human tribe tradition of painting their bodies white. It wasn’t until the Chapter returned to the planet to reclaim the terminator suits that they adopted the bone white for the deathwing - which is disappointing, and I very much wish the legion tradition of bodyguards taking mortal wounds for their officers was the actual origin of the bone white armor, but the heresy lord came after the 40k lore.
Also, no mention of the feather motif for Deathwing? Shameful.
Disagree with all the redesign opinions. Its objectively wrong. You’re looking at it from the template point of view, which would be a marine who hasn’t been inducted into any of the circles of his company, which is very, very few.
The white/bone helmet wouldn’t work, because A, they don’t follow the Codex, and it gets conflated with Veterans of the 1st company regardless of codex adherence or not. Deathwing vets often get assigned to the other companies and retain a bone white pauldron instead of the normal green.
White/bone wouldn’t work for being “forgiven”, either. Again, it’s conflating with the Deathwing, who are the pinnacle of the Unforgiven, the term used for the Dark Angels *and* their successors. Some of those even go completely bone white with halved markings. While I agree, it’s hard to show them repenting for ancient sins, short of making them look like black templars, changing their color scheme isn’t going to fix that. Green is the remembrance of lost Caliban, and the Dark Angels are nothing if not stuck in the past.
The “forgiveness” they speak of comes from their Interrogator Chaplains. They make the Fallen repent.
Again, it stems from heresy coming *after* 40k’s original lore was written, but I’d double down and retain the old monastic knight motif they had in 30k. It’s shown in modern the Primaris designs, their Aquila is replaced with their winged sword, or the abundance of hooded helmets, or marines in full monk robes with the Companions.
And bring back the checker pattern. The shoulder trim is kept green because their company marking goes on the knee, but I’d put their markings on their shin plates.
Gold is used for company captains. Now you’re just adding more confusion. Sergeants wear robes, captains wear robes. You tell them apart because the captain has gold trim. And probably a winged helmet.
If I had to do a full redesign, I’d have kept the black. The Dark Angels were exterminators of alien races; they fielded weapons of the Dark Age gifted to them for safeguarding by the Emperor himself. And they still have them. They symbolized death itself, it’s part of the reason they’re called the Dark Angels: they were the Angels of Death.
If anything, I’d paint the helmet, pauldrons, and power pack in their normal 40k green, like reverse salamanders. It’d also fit well with the remembrance of old Caliban, since it was a world shrouded in a perpetually dark forest. You do not need a terrible gradient zenithal light to dark green to show their homage to Caliban, because it was never bright (and it looks stupid. At that point just paint one of the halved bone and green successors)
They were stuck in a literal dark forest. Black with dark green segments pulls that off. *And don’t forget the checker pattern!*
So you admit to not watching the video and then leave this over a thousand words comment. More and more I see why people hate dark angels players and more and more I wonder why I liked them in the first place - Cal
Great video, I love to watch your videos about theory it helps me paint my minis better. But i must point out that SM form both arts at 15:15 are firstborn
Really you 100% on that? the second ones proportions fit the prime time
But Glad you enjoyed
@@WhatareyouPaintingnow yea im 100% sure, its an art from 7th edition codex when primaris weren't a thing. Glad to help i guess, sorry for nitpicking.
@@simsy3338 Dude... your not nitpick you are cool, you are ALL G
Compared to the contrast paint comments from some particular shorts I am thinking off....
You are a saint among men, sent to teach virtue and purity to the savages.
@@WhatareyouPaintingnowwhy tf do you talk like you’re a running a canadian residential school?
Will you ever do a design versus lore on the world eaters?
If they pick up, currently they aren't doing that well at the moment but we will be going through in order
So let's see how good my memory is you are at 12?
@@WhatareyouPaintingnowYup that's them
@@borktheeverhated6488 well hot dog that not bad for a man currently dying from unknown illness probably just a cold. Well if they are successful you will have ten more to get through because we are actually currently working on the second legion
Hey guys :) That was very interesting. I found it stimulating. A great way to power my imagination.
The chaplain gansta is called DMX and he yells at everybody: where the hood where the hood where the hood at :D
Ha ha ha I had a picture of him 'yelling' at the primaris Dark Angels grabbing his robe
"where the hood, where the hood, where the hood at "
Loving the concept !
I Just started to paint my very first space marin and fist minies also, and it's a dark angel. After seing the pré hérésie one and the variation of green in modern one, i started to question my color sheme. And i ended up with some respons : to me, they need to be dark green, almost Black. To caliban, to the wild forest, secret. From head to toes. They are humble. Not showing of. So no gold, or rare gold. Only silver, gold is for the emperor. No brasse, no fancy métal, only steel.
The white need to be white, not yelow. But no pure white. A dirty white not a noble white a peasan wite. The terminator White is bone White, but not fresh bones, old bones. Almost pure White.
Red for all militaires distinction.
Lether Brown for holster.
Secret, discret, efficient, lethal, knight from the caliban forest, looking for rédemption. Those are my darck angel. And my dark angels have little sister of course, venering the sacrifice of caliban and giving their life to help their great brother to find forgiveness, displaying métal amour and green and White robes, with red for any thing that is not amour and robe : blood of caliban, of the heretic, blood for the blood god... My dark angel and their lil' sis' are closer then never from hérésie... Will they fall ?
Personally I think a Copper or Bronze trim looks really good for the Green Wing Dark Angels! What do you think?
hmmm...
Okay so that would depend on what you mean by copper or bronze I know that sounds silly but I have seen many different things when people say that.
But if you mean bronze as in something like Warlock Bronze I think that would be good. A very deep colour which you could brighten up to a gold with a true metallic metal shine. That would be great but I think if you mean something very orange-y with the brass/copper range...
I think that would clash quite a bit. But you know I am just a guy I think I know a decent amount try it out even if it is just on an app or something and see how it looks
@@WhatareyouPaintingnow I was thinking along the lines of Balthazar ‘Gold’ (which is not very gold like at all) or the Army Painter Speedpaint or Vallejo Game Color copper colors
@@Jakey44 "Balthazar ‘Gold" had me 100% that is where I start most of my golds anyway. Nice and deep
Great stuff!
I think the white robes with black helmets is the best way to go here. Just a personal preference.
The background noises aren't half bad.
Now do some xenos, like Aeldari or T'au :)
Well it all depends if we will do any more based off how people like this if a lot of people like this we will continue doing the series and we will do 40k races regardless so non-space marines as well but yeah we will see
Background noises are pretty bad for us because basically we get complaints about audio every other video. And we are really trying to work on it
I'm afraid I have to disagree with that purple helmet, the contrast is too much to the overall green. Instead of showing royalty, they look like Dark angels who join the Slaanesh (which I believe is why most of the Slaanesh Chaos Marines use purple first).
I would really recommend our video
In-Depth Colour Psychology Your Army and You
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It sounds like you have a very Games-workshop-centric view of colour psychology and design
@@WhatareyouPaintingnow I have to agree with lilruss15, you did a whole spiel about zenithal highlighting, making the green match a forest, then placed a dark purple helmet in the middle of the bright section? It would make more sense for them to have bone while as the helmet color as purple and green are far to sickly for the Dark Angels (That's more Nurgle's Domain). I would agree with the dirt brown robes only with full body robes as the hood only ones look terrible.
They have very interesting written names in lore, v Hebrew and Ancient biblical names
Everything about the green seems forced. I know they justify adding the green in the lore. However, instead of forcing it, it would’ve been nice if it was optional. All of this because some artwork was interpreted as green. Now we all have to be green. Personally, I think a better way of handling it would’ve been having a branch within the chapter that was green. Either way we’re here now. With the Lion coming back, it would be nice if they would return to the roots incorporating red and black more. Red and black fits the whole vibe of bringing death. Red for blood black for darkness. There’s a reason why a reaper is associated with them. Which is a dark angel. A bringer of death. In my opinion, I just don’t like being pigeon hold into green. But I love everything else about the chapter.
At least bring it down to the way the companions look, which is how it’s described in the books. Green so dark, it’s almost black.
This master chief military green is hideous.
At 13:30 it look like there's some kind of bulb or bubble on the tips of their rifle. Anyone know what that's meant to be?
It's cause its an AI picture that Sunny used, we will use AI pictures but we usually use them for stock footage or to try and illustrate a point that other art is there for
AI art can be funky
@@WhatareyouPaintingnow Ahh, gotcha. Thanks for taking the time to reply!
@@brettgreen5044 We try to reply to everything, the only things we don't is where we literally don't understand what they are saying or when its purely negative and someone is venting and we won't add to that conversation
But we are super glad to have people watching this closely
To be honest, I missed a bit the older part of the Dark Angels' history (in the real world, not in the setting), when in the early stages they (if not the entire order, then at least the Deathwing) had a Native American style. All those clan markings, totemic symbols, feathers (which just happened to visually rhyme with the "angelic" theme), animalistic and plant patterns... There's really no need to say much - just look at the early illustrations for "Deathwing" from the Black Library. I miss those times. The culture of the Great Plains is rarely reflected in art.
Will have to take a look at that but as you say, it might be hard to find ~Sunny
@@WhatareyouPaintingnow Highly recommended. This is a great story from early Warhammer literature. It also does a great job of recreating one of the rituals (I can't remember which Plains tribe exactly; definitely not Lakota, but somewhere in that area) where warriors planning to avenge someone's death cremate the bodies of the dead and smear the resulting ash all over themselves (and yes, it really is white; the human body contains a lot of salt, and if you burn it properly, the ash turns out very bright white). This is supposed to show their enemies: "it wasn't us who came to kill you - it was the ones you killed who came to kill you." The Deathwing in the story aren't avenging anyone in particular, but an entire slaughtered settlement, so the ashes from the cremation were enough to paint the armor of an entire company. In fact, after that story, they paint their armor white. A very poetic story, I love it.
I wish I could show you my work on my dark Angel's
You could look at the links in the description...
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26:08 Anyone know where that helm comes from?
Wear an eye patch and look for the lion in that den of scum and villianly filled with Cult-stl I mean ists - Cal
Deathwing are supposed to be bone coloured? I've never quite liked them because they always looked like they were wearing white and just smoked too much. Nicotine stained, not bone. Dirty, rather than painted well. I suppose that leans in to the theme of impure, corrupted, ie in need of purifying/forgiving.
Ha ha in your mind are Dark Angels just chain smokers?
Its more like their owner painted them white and just smokes too much near them.
I really enjoyed this video, but I'm not sold on your color schemes visually. 4 Years ago I painted a Dreadnought for a friend of mine who plays DA. My Idea was to use a very dark green separated with a black trim, that is highlighted with steel. So the trim looks a bit like cast iron. And I painted the left torso segment in that bone color (took 7 layers for ushabti bone to fully cover). The Miniature itself stands on a handprint of my 1-year-old daughter. So the dreadnought walks in the footprint of a greater daemon of change.
I always loved the look of the Deathwing Termis but I would never paint their cloaks green.
It's totally cool to not be sold on our colour scheme it's our attempt and we are explaining our colour choices but there is a reason why there are so many schemes out there.
Glad you enjoyed the video
24:27 All I heard was Dakka and Dakka and Dakka!
Are you implying Sir that perhaps the Australian accent sounds like Ork
How dare you, how very dare you 😛
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Interesting video!
The stuff about breaker colours isn't one I've thought so much about outside of my own primary chapter, the Blood Angels - their official scheme dropped the red trim several years back, but I think it's far too important to lose (not to mention it undermines the inverted colours their sergeants use). I can see white working for Dark Angels, as per one of your suggestions, it'd look a little retro but that's no bad thing. I've grown to like the slightly neon green they use for highlights on the studio models, though, it was a shock the first time I saw it and I'm still not sure it's terribly realistic, but I do think it looks good.
I have to disagree with you on the purple helmets, though - I get the colour symbology, but don't think it works aesthetically, and besides, they would never in a million years live down the slang connotations (especially with a primarch already called El'Johnson)!
Actually, rather than silver or gold trim, if I had to give them a breaker colour, I think I'd go for a really desaturated copper or brass. Doesn't fit the knightly stuff quite so well, but I think it pairs with the green less gaudily than the gold, which I think is just a bit too strong in most of the art - especially for a chapter full of secrets. These guys are tarnished, even a little embarrassed of the worst aspects of their lineage, and their leaders are more cognisant of that than most of the rest of the Imperium (who slap gold on everything because they're gaudy and shameless).
@@Kolyarut So first off totally cool to disagree, if people can't agree to disagree we don't have a society and you did it without throwing insults so bonus ha ha 😛
Second of all, there is two parts to the gold, one is that the community does it a lot and some of the times people tap into something unconsciously, I am a big believer in that. Two and this rationalizing rather than being rational like in the video, when you say like shame and gold don't go together, ring ring, its the church they would like to have a word. And they aren't alone a lot of people project an image to hide another.
Remember when it comes to their secerts they aren't ashamed of the greater majority of their secrets all bar one are kept hidden because only they are worthy of keeping them sort of thing.
But I have sad all I can without fear of losing this comment to TH-cam eating them. Glad you enjoyed!
@@WhatareyouPaintingnow Well, when it comes to the church having a word, I personally prefer my Catholic guilt performed in bright scarlet, with all the most ostentatious gold detail you can cram into every square inch, but that's just personal preference, of course. Screw good taste for my Blood Angels, I want them to be able to play hide-and-seek in the Sistine Chapel. 😅
But hey, that's all part of the fun, retreading similar themes with different lenses!
@@Kolyarut For sure! love having well thought out comments, but due to the volume of comments we receive usually reply in the notification bar and it can be a bit funny (thus the eating of comments) but we love well thought out disagreement where you get into the details but hopefully the video will kick off and we will keep doing this but at the moment... its not looking likely...
But if you want us to make it to the tenth you could do us a huge favour and share this with your friends
Sorry guys, but I don't really vibe with your redesign. Especially the purple head
It's fine not everything is for everyone
Image author/source 17:55?
You don't understand why the Dark Angels are unforgiven it's the chapter not the individual marine of the chapter. The rodes and all their unique decoration are earned by being accepted into the inner circles of the DAs secret society that's why the scouts and the average brother marine are unadorned and plane. Sorry don't like any of your redesigns. My big problem with the DAs is all the extra red on them like the casing or their bolters makes me think of Christmas. You should look at updating this one you guys unfortunately pick a bad time, right before the redesign update of the DAs.
Great video. Your redesigns are very interesting especially from someone who wants to make their own dark angels successor chapter.
I would love to see this turned in a series. First the 18 legions and then maybe something seconded funding chapters. You two have a unique perspective on Warhammer and I would love to see more of you.
We have a plan which you can find here
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TL;DR is we have been putting tremendous effort into our stuff and we haven't been seeing the results and the algorithm stuff is super fishy.
Like having less impressions than we have subs so, we need people to share if they want to see more
What a great video idea! While I was watching it my brain wouldn't shut up about how cool it would be for you two to offer ideas on how to better fit their themes; lo and behold, that's exactly what you did!
Personally, I'd have liked to see a model with actual robes, not just a hood, to really see the effect of the colors against the new armor look. This might just be due to my having aphantasia and being unable to imagine the robes in those colors, so that may not be a truly fair critique.
I hope you do this for all 18 of the space marine legions. I think since you started with the first legion you should just work your way through numerical order. Keep up the stellar work!
Very intersting video, but I'm not agreeing with leaving out the Artuhrian legend and the Sir Gawain and the green Knight aspect of the Lion and the First legion.
Well that is because this was about the Dark Angels and not about the Lion, which is a different story, like its already 30 minutes long, with ALOT of visuals, we cannot make a video longer than that in a week
great video please do the alpha legion next
It you want more I really recommend checking out this post
th-cam.com/users/postUgkxnSLQyOzCslyG9-JLIrRkzcQoJCsRHDbl
Nice! Are you doing the legions in order? I'm most excited for the Word Bearers, Night Lords and Iron Warriors.
Depending on how well it does. We were going to do more D&D stuff but it fell flat so we have left it. If this becomes popular then yes, but probably with one-week breaks in between doing other topics but it will all depend on how well things go.
If you want to see more of it share it around
Yeah the new armour shouldn't symbolise death as much really, we're protectors now, not executioner. The lion never wanted his role but served it anyway, now he's back and has freedom he's fallen back to his natural nature as a protector, a knight.... A true lion rules with patience and understanding, only killing when it needs to (but effectively).
To be fair a lot killing needs to be done in 40k
@@WhatareyouPaintingnow Sure but it's the motive as well, that the dark angels should now be considering moving forward. The only thing they should do now is lean more into the knightly aesthetic, as I believe they're going for a defenders or the imperium type angle now (the lion recieving the emperors shield being very symbolic of that).
@@AndrewofCaliban Do you have an army you are doing up?
@@WhatareyouPaintingnow I am currently working on a dark angels army, as well as helping my son with his first, a space wolfs army
@@AndrewofCaliban I see your setting up to have a father son rivalry
I deeply enjoyed this video. I used to play DA for quite a few years and I hated the look. I always struggled with the colors. I usually painted them like one of the different Chapters. I do like the old (30K)look soooo much better. I did like your redesign concepts however I would make the named characters with purple robes I order to stand out
Man, some of those color Pallette "improvements" made me gag. Purple helmets and bone hands don't make sense to me personally. I wish there were more winged helmets. To me those project nobility and importance. Painting a gradient on every marine is an absolutely terrible idea and nobody would want to do that for their whole army. A return to tradition is a much better idea behind the color schemes in the modern setting, 1. Because the heresy colors go super hard. And 2. It outwardly portrays the regression and backwards thinking of the setting and the imperium.
It really seems like it stems from a 5 minute browse on the Fandom wiki instead of the lex, and the lady’s prescribed importance on color theory rather than the lore.
Purple for royalty? Purple also denotes corruption, and in 40k, slannesh. The DAs were literally called the uncrowned princes. They don’t need that
Greetings praise algorithm gods!
The darkest of all dark gods not even Khorne could fight it, Nurgle decay it, or Tzeentch disrupt it...
I am pretty sure Slannesh and them are buddies based of what the internet has spewed at me
2nd one is great the other 3 are hot garbage my opinion. I often put hooded heads on more troopers and more gold on ornated higher ups. The inner lining of all my robes are bergundy and my leaders heads have a variation on the codex themes. Red stripe on green for a sergernt. White stripe on a red helm for lieutenant and red stripe on bone helmet for captains. Sumpreme all have feathered unique heads. I found this video very interesting though and the white bone hands was quite nice.
Honestly is seems a disservice to show primaris, which are standardized between all chapters to show the character of 1 specific group, should have showed something like the new models instead
Very interesting. Keep it up
If you really want to see more of this please share this video, because we have set a goal and if it is not hit we will not be continuing
Nice video. For the dark angels, i would use a combination of brown, dark green, and gold; maybe with red details; for me the forest needs to be represented with brow as much as green. In my opinion they are too similar to salamanders in design; for a person who doesn know the lore; it would be very easy to confuse one for the other. That is another reason i would use brown. And....yes, salamanders should have a completely different set of colors in my opinion. What does green have to do with fire??
We have had the salamander comment before but I think just because its a lighter green doesn't make it salamanders but the reason we avoid brown is this would make them seem more "Of the earth"
Which would give them a more ranger feel and this would not fit the lore
Red could work though
@@WhatareyouPaintingnow Well, forest is of the earth, right?!. Brown combines very well with green. But you are right; maybe more gold than brown; a golden-brown tone?
@@d.c8575 Green has a lot more variations in meaning in terms of light to dark, a dark green can have a lot more intimidation than any dark brown can.
Brown will always be earth but the meanings are even more varied but still they are 'down to earth' green has a more varied mood tone.
See they have to have that symbol of being the first, thus the gold. That idea of royalty and rulership
1) I absolutely agree with the sentiment that the primaries Marines are more bland and soilder dude like than the first born or the HH variants.
2) brown hods look absolutely god awful right next to the green. I don't know if it's the colour or the idea but I don't like it one bit. I do love the purple helmet tho.
Totally fair on the brown but I think because I think that brown was done in like literally five minutes... So it may be my bad - Cal
I think the firstborn design is perfect as it is and your redesign is better than the primaris but not the usual dark angels look. Going to be a no from me.
That's okay not everyone has to love our redesign but we feel that the post heresy design is just too plain especially for the "First Legion"
27:13 that’s abomination to the first legion
You're going to have to be more specific - Cal
No no no no gold trim or white trim
So if two wrongs make a right the four nos make a yes