When Disrespecting An NHL Captain Goes Too Far
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 ต.ค. 2024
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In this video, we break down the biggest news of the NHL off-season & how the Tampa Bay Lightning seemingly 'disrespected' their long time captain Steven Stamkos. Let's take a deeper look as to how this affects both teams on & off the ice...while potentially changing the way NHL teams construct their roster in the future.
Saros: "I want to know we can compete before I re-sign. "
Trotz: "Say no more, Juice. "
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And Askarov is in jeopardy of leaving
I can tell you as a life long Lightning fan that Stamkos will be dearly missed. I don't think bringing in Jake Guentzel replaces what Stamkos has meant to the fans and organization as a whole.
@briantampa1164 Losing Stamkos is a massive blow. It's close to the Ryan Smyth leaving the Oilers feeling. And that hurt me as a fan of Smyth and what he meant to Edmonton. Stamkos deserved better than this
you would be the exact same person that would bellyache if JBB kept stamkos "no matter what" and tampa got worse as a result.
it's funny seeing outsiders and casual tampa fans saying "KeEp StAmKoS No MaTtEr WhaT" lol. the romantic storybook ending would be great in if it entailed having stamkos stay with tampa, in a way that would allow him to continue his career at a fair labor cost, and in a way that allows TBL to ice a competitive team. the reality is with their salary cap situation, and all the years of deep p-off runs, lack of draft capital, and poor prospect pipeline, it wasn't possible.
and even with his skill level at current age of 34, having scored 40 goals, steven is NOT going to be worth $8m in a few years when he declines. factor in his powerplay points from last season and his goal scoring has dropped significantly 5 on 5 the last 3 seasons. 19 of his 40G came from the pp this past season, where he benefits a lot from kucherov and hedman. TBL needed to improve with even strength play and stamkos is on the decline at this point of his career in that regard.
you can't rely on power plays to go far in the p-off's, as there are less PP's that become available. while steven won't be easy to replace, TBL needed to get younger and more versatile players to fill his void.
tampa was also dogshit on defence. hence JBB in going to extend hedman july 1st, is the correct business decision. bringing back mcdonagh was ok too. tampa was going to have to find a d-man, so they already knew what they are getting with ryan. even with his high price tag, he still played well for NSH in 2024, and he's on the books for only another 3 years. mcD and tampa never wanted to split up in the 1st place - he was a salary dump back in 2022.
tampa is very comfortable in how they handle their business, and they don't want to repeat the situations that mid-2010's DET went thru, and PIT of today is going thru.
@@carparthero i actually like how they handled their business. I just feel bad on a personal level. I understand it's a business thing. I guess it's the sacrifice you make playing pro sports. And you're right on everything you said. But losing a player and person like him always sucks.
@@codyblair2633 i empathize with what you're saying. but think about it like this. if wayne gretzky can get traded (2x), nobody is 100% safe. ok maybe crosby is in PIT lol. 😉
@@randombutrelevant valid points. i def know that JBB was set on what he wanted to do. steven def wanted to stay. however if you watched the JBB press conference on july 1, he mentioned that steven had a "financial expectation" of what he wanted to get paid. so it was def more than $4-$5m/AAV.
keep in mind he's already made over $100m in salary b4 the NSH deal, so stamkos isn't going to end up at the soup kitchen anytime soon.
i'm glad that steven got one last big payday. i'm also glad that tampa dodged a bullet because steven's contract is going to age like room temperature milk in 2 years time, maybe even less.
Offering Stamkos $3m a year when the market was offering $8m is beyond insulting. Stamkos should be viewed on the same level as Yzerman, Sakic, Bourque. He should have been retained. I am sure his price was a lot lower than $8m to stay in Tampa.
i think he was looking for $4.5 million or $5 million if it meant staying in tampa cause of the tight cap crunch but obviously they barely made an effort to extend him by saying $3 million and thats it and nashville took advantage of it
Sounds like they were cold about it but the decision to move on makes sense.
@@angrydalailama6089 thats kinda what i mean like if thats what they wanted to do just say that politely but firmly rather than just ghost him
How is offering a ageing player 24 million dollars insulting
@@allannixon5113 Because he just popped a 40 goal season. So you really can't argue age is affecting him yet. He's proving he's still producing at a top level, and that requires some sort of compensation. And thats 24 million over 8 years. Now he's going to make 32 million over 4, and possibly even sign something after that to add a little bit more to that tally. They disrespected the man after everything he's done for them. He already gave them a sweetheart deal last time around so they could build a cup contender, he could have asked for more and didn't. And this is how they repaid him. By expecting him to do it again.
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❤️ that. Thanks for supporting the channel!
@@hockeypsychology keep it up, i love watching these
The hockey guy is quite a bit different, but just as good if you ask me
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@@chrishine8699 Hockey Guy is more of a statwatcher, with not much in-depth analysis.
His defensive play with Hagel and Cirelli is especially of note, since those two are an absolute nightmare to play against while they're on the PK. Tampa was already one of the older teams in the league, not to mention they had an abysmal defensive end. Adding Guentzel in exchange for Stamkos, while it may hurt, could end up being just what the Bolts and Preds both need to elevate their teams to the next level. Where Stamkos' presence will be missed most is definitely in the locker room.
Exactly, emotional it’ll hurt Tampa but I think they improved. He will be missed in the locker room but hopefully guys like Hedman and McDonagh will help, shoot even a player like Point could help
Can’t imagine the lightning without Stammer
when steven retires, he will get his number raised, and a statue built outside amalie arena.
for the time being, the lightning still have at least 3 first ballot HOFers on the team - so the p-off window is still (slightly) open. JBB would have been wrong to hold onto stamkos until he's 40 just because he's the "captain".
TBL are not going to be like the pittsburgh penguins where it doesn't matter how long you extend them because in a few years they're gonna tank anyway. or like ken holland, when he was in detroit giving loyalty contracts to guys like justin abdelkader.
as a tampa fan i'm happy for steven getting one last big paycheck. i'm also glad the team dodged a bullet if that was the price (NSH - $8m AAV x 4y) that was required to keep steven under contract, because stamkos' contract is not going to age well by year 3 or even year 2.
steven is a declining 5v5 winger whose specialty is the PP.
@@carparthero they could've at least told him that rather than just give 1 mediocre deal then walk away. Talk more transparency is key whether they wanna keep him or not. He prolly didn't even want an 8 year length. Im sure he was looking for maybe 3-4
Try now
The first person I think of when someone says "Tampa Bay Lightning" I think Stamkos
@@cnada we all do i mean he was the lightning. It all started with him at least the modern era did.
As a Preds fan, I’m so excited to see so much coverage on the team. Can’t wait for the season to start! (Love your breakdowns of games/systems!)
Take care of stamkos for us😢😢😢
@@Tampafan33 We will!
You make a very good point here - it is a lot about respect and I guess Stamer will do ANYTHING to show them wrong!
What do teams that put "success" above all and make day trader decisions end up with? A group of players who are day traders themselves. The players know their heads will be on the chopping block whenever the GM feels like. This doesn't support loyalty from the players to the team and once the NHL figures out the LTIR situation, then Tampa and Vegas will not produce as much as a balanced team with a culture of trust and respect.
Because in a close game 7 it is not about what you got left in your tank - it is what you got in your heart in the first place...
You are 100% correct. It's such short-term thinking. It doesn't support loyalty from the players, and it doesn't support loyalty from the fans. It's like how we went from being owners of stuff, to being subscribers to stuff. I can drop out anytime I like as a fan, and so can players. The whole experience for fans and players becomes a one season affair, not a multi-era-through-thick-or-thin commitment.
Day trader decisions 😂😂 you're so right though!
Of course you put success above everything else it's a business if you had a company you would hire the best person to do the job and a ageing player isn't the best person to do the job
Can you make season recaps and preseason video breakdowns of each team? As a huge newer hockey fan that wants to learn the most about the game, I think it would be awesome with your style of story telling/breakdown analysis
That’s the plan!
I'm very, very glad for Josi and his Preds to get Stamkos. But for Tampa, letting him go is pure lunacy!
Just admit you didn't really watch the Bolts play last season. Stammer was a big liability at even strength. I've only missed maybe a dozen games of Stammer's entire career, unfortunately he's lost a step.
@@underpant As I reside in Europe I only get to see the game recaps as the games are in the middle of the night. So no, didn't watch him play live. Furthermore, the Bolts aren't one of the teams I'm rooting for.
Anytime Hockey Psychology and the Hockey Guy post I know it’s gonna be a fire video.
@@randombutrelevant For sure that'd be great.
THG on his vacation video spree, Hockey Psych's latest videos, Empty Netters did a video about Mighty Ducks 1, it's been a great week for hockey TH-cam
I'd expect Tampa to move Point to Stamkos' spot on the PP and put Guentzel in the slot area instead, but guess we'll find out.
Very excited about the Preds' additions! If they were to become a juggernaut and a perennial contender... and win their first Cup before long, that would be damn brilliant! Luke Evangelista lifting the Cup would be the 'cat's meow'!
I can’t even believe I live in a world where Steven stamkos isn’t a bolt for life 0:44
It’s such bs. I dont want to see my team lose buuuuttt i want to see brisbois burn for this. It would be different if stammer wasnt playing well. And those defensive numbers are bs. The whole team failed defensively last year. Stamkos wasnt bad defensively it was the whole team around him. That’s such a bs narrative to try to justify this. Then they go and pay a dude only 4 years younger.scored less goals and paid him 9 MILLION!! Stammer would’ve signed for 5-6 guaranteed and we would’ve had more money left for more players!! It’s such bs
@@Tampafan33as a lifelong TBL fan, relax bud, you wanna see JBB burn for this? 😂 little much
@@Usiris23 yeah youre a lifelong fan for 2 years weirdo lmfao
@@Tampafan33 I watched stamkos play at Amalie during his first season in Tampa, thanks ✌🏼
@@Tampafan33 listen the treatment with stammer was despicable but saying you want him to burn tells me you need major counseling cause no death should be wished on anyone
Babe wake up, Hockey Psychology posted
As a Lightning fan whose favorite player is Stamkos, I am still pretty salty over him getting released. I wish he does great in Nashville.
I hope he shits all over our Bolts as much as possible me, winning all the trophies next year.
Great analysis HP, as usual. I'm a Panthers fan, but as a Floridian and a Stamkos fan, I otherwise root for the Bolts. Stamkos is an incredibly player, leader, and captain and he has definitely been the heart and face of the Tampa Bay Lightning team. Yes, an NHL franchise is a business but that's not all it is. The owner and GM's offer to Stamkos was disloyal and disrespectful and I hope they come to regret that decision when the fan backlash hurts their bottom line.
I guarantee it has with me. The mystique is gone.
Back to one game a year.
How is offering a ageing player 24 million dollars disrespectful
@@allannixon5113 What is respect? What is disrespect?
@@seavans respect is offering a ageing player 24 million dollars
For me its the disrespect shown by announcing the Hedman contract right after Stammers Nashville contract is made public. Basically the same and it just feels like Tampa didnt want him
Beautiful piece on Stamkos there. Keeep these coming. Nobody does these stories as well as you. Cheers!
Ruthlessness will lead to the situation that Leafs are in, where players squeeze every nickle from the organization without any regard to playing as a team, with their only goal to make as much money as they can while they are at their prime.
Exactly.
100% perfectly accurate. All this kind of "management" shows players is that they need to get everything they can on every contract because they won't get any loyalty from the club.
as a flyers fan, this video makes me miss giroux being our captain. we shouldve kept him
As a lightning fan, seeing him play against us this season is going to hurt. The fans wanted him to stay, we really did.
i wanted him to stay, but not at the expense of sacrificing the team's ability to compete for the foreseeable future.
No sacrifice, he’s here at 5 million, let’s see Jb replace 35 goals for 4 million, FJB!
45 goals rather
I'm sorry but that is such a black spot on the Lightning. Offering your multiple Stanley Cup winning 1st Overall Pick Captain a 3M*8y, which is less than he ended up making on his ELC. Shameless that they would try and take advantage of him so openly...
They offered him 24 million dollars he's ageing and on the decline
@@allannixon5113 stfu. 8 years and 3 million dollars is a huge slap in the face knowing the term is too long and the salary isn't exactly aligned with his caliber. If they truly wanted to keep him they would've thrown more ideas out there rather than throw out 1 then walk away like its nothing. Its frustrating to see that so many people don't understand the rudeness of the lack of communication that had played out. If they wanted to move on they could've jsut said it. I mean it would be disappointing too but it would've been more respectful to do it that way rather than jsut give him the silent treatment after one low ball attempt
In the modern NHL, you can't hang on and over-pay aging players. The game is too fast and the salary cap makes rebuilding a draft prospect instead of spending on free agents.
Look at Florida. They won it all with, what, three players originally drafted by them?
Pens fan. Pretty rough what happened to stamma. Looked like he was just shown the door. 2 cups. Loyal to the club...then out you go. Unreal
I said it was a bad sign when 2023-24 started and BriseBois said Tampa wanted to wait to see how the team's salary situation shook out before they started talking contract.
No, if they REALLY wanted to keep Stamkos, they would have signed him then and worked around the obstacles. Not offer him $3m/year after he scores 40/40.
They offered a ageing player 24 million dollars nothing wrong with that
My husband is a Lightning fan and we both were so saddened by the way he was treated by the organization. I’m glad he got a great deal in Nashville and we both are excited to see him play in Nashville. I am stoked to see Sergachev in Utah. It’s great to see the former Yotes have a fresh breath of life. I’m hoping they do really well this season.
Marty St. Louis : "First time?"
I am not nor never have been a Tampa or Stamos fan . I am however a hockey fan and how Tampa treated their two time cup winning 40 goal scorer * last year* captain is disgusting and I hope for bad luck to them and for them to miss the playoffs.
How is offering a ageing player 24 million dollars disgusting
@@allannixon5113because some people don’t use their brains, and just think Tampa is horrible for doing something almost every other NHL team has done at least once, for Christ sakes the Rangers traded two captains twice both went to Tampa. But when Tampa does it, it’s horrible
All my respect for Tampa is gone, Exstremly bad to behave like that To Stamkos. When Tampa meet Preds i hope make a HATTRICK .
At the end of the day he is getting older and Tampa has a lot of younger players they are already paying or will be paying a premium for, so it honestly makes sense to let him go. I completely get the idea of staying loyal to your captain, especially one as dedicated and impactful as Stamkos, but is letting him go that much more disrespectful than signing him to a long contract that he will inevitably get bought out from after fans get mad at how bad his contract is years down the line?
But he wasn’t looking for crazy money, that’s the whole point, they had the 4.5 to 5 to pay him, they declined, now, they are saying , in addition to guentzl, they are going to spend 4.5 to 5 to generate 45 fish’s and 86 points….how, who, when, where, isn’t happening
Goals not fish, darn auto correct
@@JohnHas4444they offered him 24 million dollars I love stamkos but you can't overpay for a ageing player and improving
1 - Stammer should have retired in Tampa
2 - Thanks for the Messier as a Canuck. They did Linden dirty and I stopped being fan after they traded him.
@hockeypsychology any chance you will sell merch at some point ?
HP upload = 5 beers and 5 more beers and 5 more beers to celebrate 🥂
just get a million already
What’s with the weird cut at 1:17 ish
your channel is so underrated
Lightning without Stamkos is like mashed potatoes with no gravy.
Oh wow first video watch on this channel. Great video! And I love the idea, sports psychology Is truly fascinating. but especially hockey due to the stoic nature of the sport.
I'm a flyers fan and am embarrassed at how Bobby Clarke and some fans (not all, but most) treated lindros and his concussions. The guy always got targeted, never got calls from the refs because he was massive and could fight. His big flaw was he would always skate with his head down. But if he got the calls from refs that most superstars did back in the day, there's no doubt in my mind his career would've been way more remembered and there's a very strong chance he would've won a cup.
I just realized there's a short on this channel that already said what I just said, my fault
LOL wrong video my guy
Just came from there though.... 90s hockey was pretty messed up no one got called for dirty headshots
@@Matanumi well shit, my bad Haha thanks for callin my dumb ass out though Haha
By treating stammer this way what kind of message does it send to the other players? Probably not a positive one.
The same message every other organization sends. It’s the business of hockey.
@@campion04it's one thing to trade players. It's not as common but still business to trade a captain who's still performing. But to give a cheap offer to your still performing captain? That just says he's being taken for granted at best and no one else should expect any better.
They offered a ageing player 24 million dollars there's nothing wrong with that
@@MarkBonneaux if Wayner can be traded. So can anyone else. Also this only matters if one organization does it. And everyone else is loyal. But everyone isn’t. It won’t deter anyone from going to Tampa. Not 1.
There’s also no logic to “you didn’t pay me what I want. Therefore you are disrespecting me”.
As a Panthers fan I have the utmost respect for Stammer. It's a shame how the treated him.
Great analysis, keep it up
this is great for the league as a whole. the drama and the brutal, ruthless front office approach shows how hard it is to win in this league now. so many storylines already in place for next season!
You just can't call Stamkos worth that. I can't believe that offer.
It would be better just to say to the man, Don't want you, move on.
I would rather someone tell me to @#$% off than patronize me.
Or to completely publicize the extent to which they undervalued him - man, wish a Canadian team got him but either way, best of luck!
i mean its a bit crude to say we dont want you move on but yes whether they wanted to keep him or not they certainly could've made a better effort in saying so, obviously in a professional way
They offered a ageing player 24 million dollars what's wrong with that
@@allannixon5113 the term is too long idiot. 8 years is too long and $3 million annually to someone with his pedigree is so disrespectful. Open your eyes and turn your brain on. $4-5 million would have been more respectable or simply say we want to move on. Stop getting so carried away with the $24 million cause that would be within an 8 year timespan and get through your head how the length and effort was a huge joke. thank god you aren't the gm of any nhl team if thats how you treat players
I commented on the video about Nashville getting embarrassed and going on the u2 run. I mentioned the cap space we would have and boy am I happy with what we paid for. We got exactly what we needed on paper.
There's been quite a few of these weird situations where mediocre-rated goaltenders go on crazy runs. Jim Carrey, Blaine Lacher, Patrick Lalime, etc. Then they fade into obscurity.
Im a Avs fan but post importantly a Hockey Fan. I keep up with both Florida Teams because our Family is back and forth from Florida to Maryland non stop because of Family down south. How Tampa’s Organization took care of Victor H but did Stammer so dirty, is head scratching and mind-blowing. Preds made some big moves to put themselves in good position to get out of the First Round of the Playoffs. I still dont think it’s going to lead to some Fairy Tale story for Nashville but they definitely should be a lot better and Tampa probably will take a step back.
How did they do him dirty they offered a ageing player 24 million dollars
Great breakdown on Stammer situation
Stammer walked. He's my favorite all time bolt, but he could have stayed if he wanted to make it work, but he wanted to keep making top dollar.
Seeing Mike Modano in a Red Wings jersey makes me want to vomit as a Stars fan.
Didn't even recognize him! But same with Robitaille and Hull to some extent...
normally id say the same but given that the red wings are his hometown team i wasn't too baffled to see him play his last year there
im a die hard wings fan, but Stammer not a bolt no more? thats just crazy... When you think Tampa Bay Lightning... Its Stammer that first comes to mind... so what now?! huh??!
yah he single handedly revived the bolts after they had that miserable 2007-2008 campaign finishing dead last in the league and he always made players around him better as well i mean heddy, kuch, killer, johnson, etc and marty st louis even said not long ago that he prolly wouldn't have been relevant well into his 30s if it wasn't for stammer
As a long time Blackhawks fan nothing felt more weird than seeing Kaner in a Red Wings jersey.
Going to be bizarre watching Tampa without Stamkos. Some strange decisions like getting 35 year old McDonagh back at 7 mil, throwing 9 mil at 30 yr. old Guenzel, then crying poverty to Stammer. We'll see how tossing him like trash works out for all concerned, but I suspect Stamkos will be highly motivated to show up Tampa .
Life long Lightning fan here. I love Stamkos just as much as other fans, but one thing we lacked the past 2 years has been the ability to defend and keep Vasy from taking so many shots. This is where McDonagh comes in. When we got rid of McDonagh, it became apparent that Ryan was like a second goalie on the ice. He blocked shots and cleared pucks better than anyone. He may not have the offense that Sergy had, but he’s a much better defensive defenseman. This leads me to Stamkos. When a turnover happens and comes back the other way, Stamkos was almost always behind in the play, and when he did get back in the defensive zone, he wasn’t as effective at defending the set up plays. Jake Guentzel has similar offense 5 on 5, but also reacts better to the defensive play. Jake is not a replacement in leadership and off ice capabilities, but he provides a top line, two way forward similar to that of Barkov, and we saw how effective Barkov was in the playoffs.
Vasy is still one of the best goalies in the league, but his numbers have gone down for multiple reasons, but on ice, he needs a better team defense in front of him when 5v5, which is where Vasy struggled the most this year, especially when plays broke down offensively and came back the other way. When Stamkos is on the ice, you bet other teams are running their 1st or 2nd lines, which can be equally as talented. If you can’t play a 2-way game, it leads to goals against. Stamkos has shown that weakness, and not just this past season.
they could've made a better effort in communicating with him though whether it is by extension or by parting ways
Heartbreaking.
Nashville's First Line
Marshasult 30+ goals
Stamkos 40 goals
Forsberg 47 goals
Not to mention Roman Joise who can score 15 to 20 goals as a defenseman and put up 50+ Assists and 60+ points all while playing good defensive hockey
Very curious to see nashville this coming year.~Signed an oilers fan
Honestly I was hoping he would have went to Detroit. Having stamkos, Kane and Raymond all on the same line. That line would be unstoppable
The ruthlessness of Vegas management is affecting the whole league I think. TBD if this is good or bad.
Two LTIR rule bender managements
@@Powell19119 Tampa tried to change the rule after Chicago used it in their '15 Cup win against them. Only one other team agreed, so the rules remained in place. Don't hate the players, hate the game (that the League will not change).
@@MikeHarvey-ol7xr The Board of Governors, the league have the most responsibility for what’s transpired. Chicago and Tampa were pretty blatant. The player with the tshirt after the cup win was pretty tasteless. Vegas with one player off multiple years and then this last season with multiple players off was pushing the rule to the limit. I don’t like new teams in the league getting to cherry pick from basically forced waivers from all teams. Instant advantage and it allowed Vegas to load up with first crack at the new rule. Kraken were second so GM’s were wiser second time around. SLC isn’t afforded the luxury.
One team last season brought an important player back prior to the playoffs when the player probably could have remained on LTIR until the playoffs. Was only 2-4 games left in the season.
@@Powell19119 I could not agree more with you on Vegas getting a banquet to choose from when every expansion team before was given rotten scraps to pick through. It was sickening.
Me, as a Habs fan, I hope Stamkos comes back to st.Louis and marchesauld coming to Montreal, his home town.
Might be dreaming, but would love to see both of these gents play for the Habs and get us back to that final where we have unfinished business from 2021...
It is sensible to be ruthless when constructing a team. But once you win Cups, the calculation changes substantially. If you let go of a franchise cornerstone, and close friend of the remaining core, you’re asking for trouble. Hard to picture Tampa finishing stronger than they did this year without Stamkos.
How does winning cups change things the goal is to keep winning cups and overpaying a ageing player doesn't help you to win cups
Can you please do a video about maxim Afineganovs ot game winner in 2007 playoffs and the Buffalo Sabres run
Tampa is going to destroy their franchise. Removing the captain who was their best player. Stamkos lead his team to 4 Stanley cup finals. 2 of which were successful. Me being a lightning fan. I’m surprised if the lightning even makes the post season next year.
tampa would be def in danger of missing the p-off's in 2025 if they kept the team as-is, without the trades and acquisitions they made.
the bolts in 2024 would have been a poverty soup kitchen team if not for kucherov carrying the team on his back.
They replaced him with guentzel he’s better right now
They needed to change things up. Stamkos regressed 5 on 5 and was only really useful when on the powerplay. Even then, that powerplay runs through Nikita Kucherov and would likely have the same success without Stamkos. Guentzel is a much better player 5 on 5 which is what Tampa needs and the main reason he didn’t record many powerplay points was being stuck on the pens for most of the season who had a terrible powerplay. Guentzel could realistically score around 95 to maybe even 100 points with Kucherov and Point while being better defensively than Stamkos. Tampa also now has a playoff caliber defense with McDonough and Moser. Dumba was god awful and we didn’t even truly have Sergachev after he got injured in December. He only played half a regular season game and 2 playoff games in 2024. Vasi is now healthy too. I’m not gonna call them a cup contender until I actually see them play, but on paper this team should easily make the playoffs and have a realistic chance of going far as other eastern teams like Florida and Carolina lost key pieces.
As much as I love Stamkos, you have got to be out of your mind if you watched the Lightning last season and said he was the best player on the team. Kucherov is out here catching strays from his own fans.
I agree i dont see them making the playoffs. Moser is decent but sergachev was no doubt better for the team now
Stamkos scored 40 goals and 40 assists playing on a line exclusively with a guy who put up 144 inflated his stats big time. I get he's a future hall of famer, but in reality this has been Kuch, Hedman, and Vasys team the last 5 years. They won a cup basically without him, and he has never produced in the playoffs in the same way that he has in the regular season. They're replacing him with a guy who's 5 years younger, who has always been better in the playoffs than the regular season. I don't like the disrespect, but i mean he has made 100 mil, and they offered him to get a nice pay check into his 40s. Good for him to get his money but there's no way that contract looks good years 3 and 4, and I'd be shocked is he sniffs 80 points again with the dowgrade in linemates he'll have in Nashville.
lol
those players you listed off wouldn't be the studs they have been without stammer though and 8 years is too long of a term and $3 million is too low of a salary. It would've been better if they had simply said we want to move in a different direction if that was the game plan all along rather than give a huge slap in the face deal then walk away with no further effort
@ethanparker7900 they wouldn't be the studs but they won a cup with him playing one game ?
@@KyleMacSkill i mean they wouldn't have been set up to do that if he hadn't helped them beforehand and guided them to be good players as well both with or without him in the lineup. Him taking all them under his wing helped them be better players whether it is with him in the lineup or even in his absence. How can you not understand or comprehend that properly? Without his guidance, they never would've succeeded in his absence
@ethanparker7900 lol yeah I never said he wasn't a great leader or a good vet that just has nothing to do with what I said. In 2024, it was the right decision to sign Guentzel over Stamkos. Sure maybe they should just let him walk but they offered him 24 mil at the end of the day and guaranteed he would have been able to go on LTIR whenever he decided to hang up the skates.
I love Jake, but I don't think a single person would trade Stamkos for Guentzel.
Can you make a video on Nail Yakupov and what went wrong?
Ive been a Lightning fan since innauguration day and this wasnt a surprise. We shipped St. Louis. We dumped Lecavalier. If Stamkos wanted to stay, he might have considered not airing the laundry on day one of camp. And again through the season. No player is bigger than the team, and this is a team that has always been ruthless when it's time to move a player on. That doesn't lend itself to fairytale endings, but it has lent itself to consistent success.
It's also incredibly amusing that all the "tut-tut" comments and videos are coming from outside. Like, disproportionately so.
1:16 too late now but there seems to be a cut in the vid, besides that, banger vid as always
That’s how it is in every single job. We are nothing but numbers. They take all they can from you and throw you away when they’ve emptied you.
16 years.... always my captain.
I don`t think it`s a disrespect against Stamkos. He signed for 4 years * 8m - and Guentzel for 7 years * 9m is just a better deal.
Especially if you see that recently TBL couldn`t replicate former success in the playoffs.
Don't forget Florida suddenly and without warning traded away their franchise point leader and core member 2 years ago. New York is currently trying to trade away their captain, right after dumping their alternate captain to the worst team in the league. The thing Florida, Tampa, New York and Vegas all have in common is they're all at the top of most players trade destinations. These are teams that can afford to be ruthless and players will still come running to them, they're just really realizing the kind of power and advantage they have over those other teams now and the results are there. These teams have won 4 of the last 5 Stanley Cups.
New York's captain (Trouba) is a has-been who is too slow to be effective and compensates with dirty hits and elbows. Different situation.
Maybe I’m in the minority but I love me some ruthless roster moves.
Long time Lightning fan and this isn't the first time the org has moved on from aging C. The NHL is about what you can do, not what you did. Stamkos will not put up the same numbers this year or any of the years in his current contract. He has peaked, and it is not fun to say that. I, like all of Bolts nation, will miss Stamkos the man. But the team will be better off with Guentzel and McDonagh.
Bullshit, then why did he take home town discount years ago, FJB! Where’s Vinik in all this, crickets
Mac at 6.75 and guentzl in 4 years at 9 mil left for 3, suicide move, Vegas has kuch over under 30 points less thus year with guentzl, Vegas usually isn’t wrong
Sorry, 40 points less
How many goals did “he has peaked” have in the series vs the Panthers?
Personally, I don't think it's as much about the fact that they didn't resign him as it about how they went about parting ways. The contract they offered was pretty insulting, but when you're MVP of sixteen years, the last ten of those with him in the captaincy, and you choose to not resign him AND maintain radio silence about all of this...that's a bit much. The fact that there was no video tribute, no tearful farewell from the Bolts, not even just a passing mention of how monumentally important he was to the team and it's coherency, not even mentioning how crucial he was to their last three cup runs? That to me speaks of not just poor player management, but also of an ignorant approach to public relations and the image they are presenting to the public and all of their future players.
Granted, maybe I'm too emotionally invested in this and I'm making mountains out of molehills, but my gut tells me that I'm not too far off from the truth.
How is offering a ageing player 24 million dollars insulting
@@allannixon5113 I would say it's the fact that they tried to offer him a longer term but not a pay that's fair to the captain of the team. In my opinion, I would have said something like 4 or 6 years at 5 would have been fair, still less than he was making before they let him go into free agency but at least it wouldn't have been so low that it would have come across as lowballing.
Again, all of this is just my opinion, and I agree that it was still a lot of money they offered to him, but I just don't think their offer was equal to the work and performance he had given them.
I am a huge stammer fan, (not a lightning fan at all) and I hope the preds win the cup next year while the lightning take a spot as a bottom feeder. Same to VGK
We will miss him. I cannot believe it.
Contracts have nothing to with respect and that zombie meme needs to be left in the past. Contracts are about production over the life of the contract, and that is it. The TB org has total respect for Stamkos the person and the fans will never forget the legend of the Captain, but that is not what contracts are paying if you want to win.
Nothing against Jake, but I’m upset with Bolt management giving up on Stammer who truly should have retired as a Bolt several years down the road!
This is one of the more interesting subplots of the upcoming season.
SO Tampa just was like, hmmmmmmm who do we trade? THE FACE OF THE TEAM FOR 20 YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I just cannot believe this!
Hate the lightning, love Stammer. Looking forward to seeing him play for Smashville.
I miss watching these vids with 3-4 games on a night with a load of bets out there 😂
It's a business. They didn't get past Florida, gotta build to get past Florida. Get better 5 on 5.
When you lose to a cup champion that argument holds no water
@johnhaskell4489 i mean, if you take enough street drugs, you could believe what you wrote is true.
buddy was right the first time. you don't build your team to beat the blue jackets, ducks and sharks of the world.
Stammer got all the points in that series , nobody else showed up
He had 5 goals ! But I guess he’s washed up! FJB!
Easily the best player in the history of Tampa Bay sports, what he’s done for that franchise and that city as a whole will be near impossible to replace. He’s my second favorite player of all time only after Patrick Kane, I’ll dearly miss him on the Bolts and I hope to see him have great success for the Preds
Yeah except for all the reports that there was tampering and that he already picked out a house in Nashville before the Lightning even gave him an offer. I love stem coast and I'm sure he'll be back to retire in Tampa in 4 years, but can't win a Stanley Cup when your team relies on the power play to score. Defense wins championships in every sport and Stamkos was at a -18. $24 mil was not an insult at all, but $32 mil for your last good years is pretty enticing.
Amazing player and the lighting
If/When managment starts doing that will end up being like basketball and you will end up with players choosing where they go and making super teams imo.
It'll never happen in a hard cap salary league in basketball you can go over the cap but not in hockey
The Joshua/Lomberg combo? Why? Of those 39 combined points, Joshua scored 32 of them. Lol. Like, I get it's weird for Stammer to be offered less than 3rd liners. Just felt the comparison here was weird. Especially considering Stammer is 6 years older than Joshua. Whatever, just not sure why you felt the need to combine their numbers. Could have just said "Lomberg got 2mil for 7 points" and the point is made and isn't obscuring the stats.
So, you gonna talk about the insanity that is the Oilers hiring Stan Bowman of all people to be their GM? I feel like a video on that shouldn’t take 6 or 7 days to make (unless you’re on vacay, in which case, enjoy that as much as possible, we all need a break sometimes)
The Guentzel contract will age poorly.
Stamkos has flown under the rader as one of the leagues best for the last 10-12 years
he was up there with ovi and crosby yah as one of the alpha dogs of his generation and the 2010s decade i mean hell he even scored the second most goals and 4th or 5th most points in that decade
It's a pretty big statement of intent from Nashville.
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I wish the lightning could have worked something out with him. But have to look at the facts. He became a liability on the ice from a defensive standpoint. Take a look at the numbers when he was on the ice in five on five situations. His plus minus did not warrant a big contract unfortunately. I was brokenhearted as any Tampa fan at him not being there anymore. I will be still be rooting for him except when the preds play the lightning
I love this channel
Vegas didn’t dump Marchessault they literally offered him the same money for less years (3 years was the offer instead of 5) because it’s hard to tell if an older player will continue to have the same amount of stats later in their career. He also didn’t want to de a deferred contract which meant he’d get payed later, he left for money I don’t care about that but why is he saying they snubbed him when they offered a chance to retire in Vegas? He was also the only free agent they talked to this offseason.
I hate the lightning and even I know he deserved SO much better. What a joke by management to let him walk.
Preds are gonna be fun to watch !😊
he was a defensive liability, yea he still scored but it wasnt making up for the goals given up when he was on the ice. A lot went into it but he really wasnt a 2 way player anymore.
Blame the salary cap and owners for not allowing 30+ players to count less against the cap or the idiocy of having a cap at all
With no cap at all, the teams in wealthy cities would essentially be all-star teams and the rest of the league would be doormats that would struggle to stay financially solvent.
@jsquared1013 oh yeah how many cups did the early 2000s ny rangers win in that format?