hello Cheyenne, I'm not sure if you remember me I towed your car back home to Kelseyville, and told you the story of bloody Island. I'm very happy you looked onto what happened on the island. As a Native man that have lived with these stories passed down I'm greatful that you've told the story of some of the horrific things that were done to the Pomo people of Lake County. Lets not forget the victims of Blood Island. thanks Dave B.
Thanl you. I'm happy many felt I captivated it correctly. I spent many hours studying all the documents I could find and articles from witnesses. It's such a heartbreaking part of our history but I feel stories like this need to be told.
I dated a pomo native from Lake county once. Her family is in the mueseums in Lower Lake. She was one of the most kind and sweetest person. Her name was Lisa. She was pronably my most favorite person in Lake County.
This is really sad and it is good to know, so that hopefully this will never happen again. I've been learning about various local tribes, as time permits, and would love to know more about the tribes in Lake County. It would be cool to know what tribes currently have rancherías/reservations there, which ones were there in early history, and some cultural things about them, like how they lived. Most people think all tribes used teepees, had dream catchers, and had "war bonnets". I even had a textbook on cultural sensitivity in my field that painted all cultures with wide brush strokes. It'd be cool to know if any local tribal members have businesses that could be supported. Anyways, thanks for another wonderful video!
Yes, it is so true how current history, as you say, uses "wide brush strokes" to group so many tribes in one category when in fact, the majority of the Cali tribes were peaceful and had a wide variety of customs and manners of living that were quite different than the plains tribes with their war bonnets and tepees. Yet the prevailing historical connotation, as you say, is that all native customs were like the plains tribes. (Sioux, Cheyenne, Paiute, Apache, etc.) The North Cali tribal customs (Pomo, Yurok, Yuki, Wiyot, Wintu, Miwok, Pit River and many more are unique and much more sophisticated and beautiful than most people realize. TH-cam has many shows that can help you become informed about these great native nations. Also the Bancroft library and many other such institutions have huge files and photos on all sorts of native subjects. I believe the community college in Lakeport now has a native studies class too. History is in the process of being updated due in no small part to the massive amounts of valid information now being put up on the internet. Check it out!🧐
@@reginaldwelkin P.S. Regi, There are seven tribes in Lake Co. Most have "Rancherias" but a few do not at present. Some are federally recognized while others are not. Koi tribe is one that has no land base as an example. All local tribes are teaching traditional culture now, trying to instill the values of respect and appreciation for mother earth and fellow human beings as was the way in bygone days. They have not just disappeared as some would have you believe but are still here and elsewhere in Cali. The native people are the true stewards of the land and we are lucky to have them as members of society to help us all during these difficult times ahead.👍
The Pomo Indians have reservation and Casino in Kelseyville, I grew up in Kelseyville graduated from KHS in 1987… moved therein 1977 my dad got a job transfer to Lakeport moved there from Marin County because my parents wanted to be able to buy a house which was too expensive in San Rafael even in the 70’s so for we went Kelseyville is roughly 2.5 hours north of San Francisco, in the mountains of Napa and. Calistoga, such a beautiful place Clear Lake is the largest natural Lake inCalifornia, Tahoe would be the largest lake but half of Tahoe is in Nevada 🤷🏼♀️
Camped at Clearlake state park every summer for 20 years or so. We would go fish around that island you speak of, one time we anchored by it. Upon pulling up the anchor we had a round stone ball come up with it. Assumed it was a cannon ball
I'm originally from Eureka up North but moved to Minnesota 15 years ago. I'm also blind and using voice to text and the technology is not perfect so please forgive mistakes. There were always the unspoken murmurs about the massacre on Indian island in Humboldt Bay. Now that we all pretty much carry the modern day Library of Alexandria and our pockets it is much easier for me to research history but I can find very little on the massacre of Indian island. If you think about it I would appreciate a video on what happened there. Either way though I appreciate the content here. Have a good one and take care.
I will save this comment. And look into that for you hun. I have more videos planned but its taking a lot more time to get them done then I thought. If there's something I can reach out to you on when I come out with new content and you would like me to let me know. I would be more than happy to assist :)
@@CheyenneBlue Completely understandable Cheyenne. I imagine you've got a list of content you want to work on so no rush if you ever get to it. Appreciate your reply and the work you're doing here. I've got the notifications turned on so I'll be alerted. You have a great day. Take care.
In the 60s, the Rancheria in Kelseyville was in disuse, and the traditions spiritual rituals were being forgotten. Even then natives didn't mix with whites, something I as a child didn't understand. I preferred my pomo friends to swim and play with but was never allowed to visit their homes. To this I still do not understand this type hatred.
It's incredibly sad. I've felt the same way. The local Pomo are often misunderstood and hated for no reason. There's many kind souls from all walks of life here.
Andrew Kelsey’s house is right in town it’s been bought and fixed up. Kelseyville was named after Kelsey. I don’t think it should’ve been named after him tho💀
Andrew Kelsey's house was destroyed not long after he was killed. You must be talking about another Kelsey family. Several distant cousins moved to the area in the 1870's. Barthena Kelsey and her clan being the main ones.
@@kevinengle2306 I live in Kelseyville and have basically all my life and the story I was told is that he lived there but some bought his property and now live there right on Main Street. But it has been a while since someone told me that so could definitely have my facts wrong. So thank you for informing me.
Hey, like the video, if you want to learn a little more about the Pomo people, you need to check out my brother Stewie G. He talks about this same stuff but in music, He talks a lot about our native people.
Please look into the history of the Copsy Brothers. I believe there is a jail that was named after them in Lower Lake. My wife is a descendent of Copsy. Thanks.
Ed, The jail is not named after the Copsey Brothers but they did build the jail. The story goes after they got paid for building it they visited a few of the half dozen saloons established in Lower Lake at the time to celebrate. They got a bit to drunk and rowdy thus not only built the jail but were the first to be incarcerated in it too! However, they also became the only known inmates to escape from the jail. They had not quite finished the job and the roof had not been nailed down yet. After the Constable locked them up and went home for the night, the Copsey boys slid the roof aside and hightailed it home.🕵️
@@kevinengle2306 you do realize that the small jail could very well have been named after them around the community given they helped build it and we're some of its first occupants. The only histories that are written about the place are literally what's on the placard set there by ECV one of the most corrupt organizations I've been in contact with.
Who exactly is talking about confiscating guns? It is a Constitutional right to bear arms that cannot be denied. What is being discussed is the process for vetting the mentally ill and violent offenders so that they cannot have the right to purchase weapons. The rest of such ridiculous discussions are merely political rhetoric designed to scare and divide folks. Yes, there are those on the fringe who believe weapons should be banned and some who's children were murdered at Columbine and other such senseless school shootings that would agree weapons should be banned. Until humanity looses it violent and blood thirsty tendencies, guns will be necessary. Jesus cries tears of blood for us at this point in our evolution.
@@CheyenneBlue Do you really believe the native clans voluntarily "gave up their weapons" to Stone & the Kelsey Brothers with a promise "they would be taken care of"? Not realistic. The natives were captured, incarcerated, and terrorized by these scumbags. This was NOT a volunteer event as you describe. This version you put forth is a whitewashed version.
@@kevinengle2306 I used to be of the same opinion until I started seeing the laws already on the books. Take a look at the host of weapons that aren't even firearms that are illegal in California, and you'll see the blueprint for more universal controls.
I believe it could be entirely possible. It has happened more than once in history. If someone comes in seeming kind with the promise of a comfortable life and peace after a long time of suffering many would do just that. It was the native accounts that said they were seemingly kind in the beginning. I just go off of what I can find with the stories available.
Indian slavery in California is absent from the history books I studied. I am deeply sorry that someone with my skin color caused such misery to the native peoples here in Lake County and beyond.
NEVER never was it a "god send" when settlers came to native lands NEVER! dont mater how much less violent one was from the other... never has settling ever done anything FOR the natives/
When you have a group come in "offering" help in the shadow of catastrophe such as the Camdot massacre that predated the Bloody Island massacre some could see it as a "god send". Turn of phrase there hun one still used by democrats of today when they talk about Biden, BLM, and the joke vaccines. Individual perspective is an amazing thing and just like one can't talk for everyone today neither can they for certain say one thing is one way or the other in the past.
Your oh so right Nora. The only exception that might be offered is the relationship the tribes had with the Quakers. They always honored their treaties and walked the path of peace together. The Quakers we're a large influence on Constitution and the formation of our Republic but were ostracized from government positions when they refused to fight in the War of 1812 and other offensives against native people.
@@noramoore2157 Nora, Mysogyny...where did you hear that Nora? One of the Quaker's main religious tenants is the equality of women to men. That has been the case for over three hundred years, so I am perplexed. If you are referring to the article on the first page or two of Google, written by a woman complaining about one particular gent who was worried about making the equality tenant a publicized issue for the consumption of the general public in modern times, I would suggest you go beyond the first few pages of Google and do some in depth research before reaching such a serious conclusion with so little info. The Quaker's are humble and private folk who frown on the lime light. They had a huge influence on the formation of the United States but most refused to fight in the revolution. Instead, many served in non-combat roles.They also refused to fight against their native brothers in the War of 1812. After that, they were basically ostracized from influence in U.S. politics and policy making which was a huge mistake. They were also key players in the Underground Railroad, risking life and limb to covertly assist runaway slaves to get to the north. Never were they slave owners. They are under appreciated in the history books for sure. During the revolution General Nathaniel Greene, Thomas Paine, and John Fox are but a few Quaker's who distinguished themselves in various capacities but most Quaker's were never written about because they were humble and rarely talked about their deeds. My favorite patriot, Patrick Henry greatly admired the Quaker's and their philosophy. Regards, Kevin
We have to pay middle town fire department to put our fires out in big valley. Cause Kelseyville and lake port and all other fire departments turned us down. We paid 3 times the price for the swamp land. From the Rez to town.
Joseph Smith started the Church of Latter Day Saints and started Polygamy he claimed you had to have at least 3 wives to become a God and to reach the highest level of Heaven they call the highest level in heaven 🤷♂️
I believe I might've read something about that when I looked into Vallejos history. I'm thinking about doing a story on just Mariano's reign of terror as well.
The Kelsey brothers and Mr. Stone were murdered by the Pomo tribe for their heinous treatment of them. That was likely justifiable. That being said, the town was not named for those brothers, it was named Kelseyville decades later after descendants of the Kelsey family moved to the area and settled there, treating the natives with respect. Many cities and towns are named after people who may or not have been good people, but it is still a part of history and shouldn't be changed now that over 150 years have passed.
A true display of respect would be to take away the name. If you believe in your argument that since it’s been 150 years the name had been in place remember this was Pomo land for over 11,000 years. We have deeper and longer ties with the land so again a true display of respect would be to change the name
@@grprather I don’t speak for other tribes. I am Pomo but if it’s what they wanted then yes we should absolutely respect those wishes, especially if they are speaking out and fighting for it
@@hay_uAnd since we are a nation of laws with rights to vote on this, the majority shall decide whether to change the name. History will not be forgotten even if the town name changes, and as I said the town was NOT named in honor of the Kelsey brothers, it was named 50 years later by the government for the descendants who chose to settle there and make peace with the Pomo tribe. You have to remember that when the tragedy occurred there were still wars being fought between U.S. soldiers and indigenous tribes. Settlers in the 1850's were often attacked without warning, as were many tribes (Some attacks were often made by other competing tribes, as well!). We can't change the narrative, and instead keep the name Kelseyville as a reminder of the past wrongs against people of all races. Who will pay for the thousands of dollars that would need to be spent to do this? Taxpayers are not responsible for this. Change the name and people will still remember what happened. It will only create chaos and discord.
@@grprather settlers were attacked when tribes were fed up with the violence , enslavement and kidnapping. When the bloody island massacre took place we still held onto peace and asked for it. Descendants of Kelsey are supporting the name change as well as many of the different Pomo tribes. and no one is trying to change what happened but there shouldn’t be a name in memory of past wrongs, why would you want that example? We were tricked out of our land and a name change is a good start for true recognition of the people who cared for and are connected to the land in more ways than just a title. Think whatever you want but when people look up the name Kelsey his atrocities are what’s going to come up. He laid that foundation and legacy and holds the title for one of CA’s most brutal slave owners.
I'm from lake co.im Caucasian, & was more less orphaned as I child. I grew up with my my friends on& off the reservations surrounding clearlake. You can say I'm the most racist against white ppl,white person there is. I've heard bits& pieces of these stories from elders growing up. THIS IS ALL TRUE& SO MUCH MORE!!! All these names I know. Their decedent's are my friends& I'm disappointed that EVERY SINGLE ONE of the "must see" or historic sites are named after& a tribute to f****** murderers! FUCK the name Kelseyville, it should be "Augustusville",fuck Anderson marsh,it should be Duncan marsh. Idk it hurts my heart that no one knows the 4real truth,pain&legacy of my friends,family,& loved one. #pomopride
I know I grew up around the tribes as well. That's why I made this video to voice up what happened. I looked over every document and interview I could find.
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Hello, i am Pomo Indian. I am apart of the Hopland band of Pomo Indians. In Clearlake. Thank you for putting our tribe on the map. ONE LOVE
Thank you for appreciating the work
Much love for the Pomo Indians. I have been a medical provider for them for years, and love them.
Do you or any of your family practice Pomo basketry? Amazing craft, I wish I could get my hands on one. If so, do they work on commission?
hello Cheyenne, I'm not sure if you remember me I towed your car back home to Kelseyville, and told you the story of bloody Island. I'm very happy you looked onto what happened on the island. As a Native man that have lived with these stories passed down I'm greatful that you've told the story of some of the horrific things that were done to the Pomo people of Lake County. Lets not forget the victims of Blood Island. thanks Dave B.
Wow what a powerful story very well told. Thank you for bringing this history to life.
Thanl you. I'm happy many felt I captivated it correctly. I spent many hours studying all the documents I could find and articles from witnesses. It's such a heartbreaking part of our history but I feel stories like this need to be told.
I dated a pomo native from Lake county once. Her family is in the mueseums in Lower Lake. She was one of the most kind and sweetest person. Her name was Lisa. She was pronably my most favorite person in Lake County.
This is really sad and it is good to know, so that hopefully this will never happen again. I've been learning about various local tribes, as time permits, and would love to know more about the tribes in Lake County. It would be cool to know what tribes currently have rancherías/reservations there, which ones were there in early history, and some cultural things about them, like how they lived. Most people think all tribes used teepees, had dream catchers, and had "war bonnets". I even had a textbook on cultural sensitivity in my field that painted all cultures with wide brush strokes. It'd be cool to know if any local tribal members have businesses that could be supported. Anyways, thanks for another wonderful video!
Yes, it is so true how current history, as you say, uses "wide brush strokes" to group so many tribes in one category when in fact, the majority of the Cali tribes were peaceful and had a wide variety of customs and manners of living that were quite different than the plains tribes with their war bonnets and tepees. Yet the prevailing historical connotation, as you say, is that all native customs were like the plains tribes. (Sioux, Cheyenne, Paiute, Apache, etc.) The North Cali tribal customs (Pomo, Yurok, Yuki, Wiyot, Wintu, Miwok, Pit River and many more are unique and much more sophisticated and beautiful than most people realize. TH-cam has many shows that can help you become informed about these great native nations. Also the Bancroft library and many other such institutions have huge files and photos on all sorts of native subjects. I believe the community college in Lakeport now has a native studies class too. History is in the process of being updated due in no small part to the massive amounts of valid information now being put up on the internet. Check it out!🧐
@@kevinengle2306 Thanks! I'll have to check it out.
@@reginaldwelkin
P.S. Regi,
There are seven tribes in Lake Co. Most have "Rancherias" but a few do not at present. Some are federally recognized while others are not. Koi tribe is one that has no land base as an example. All local tribes are teaching traditional culture now, trying to instill the values of respect and appreciation for mother earth and fellow human beings as was the way in bygone days. They have not just disappeared as some would have you believe but are still here and elsewhere in Cali. The native people are the true stewards of the land and we are lucky to have them as members of society to help us all during these difficult times ahead.👍
The Pomo Indians have reservation and Casino in Kelseyville, I grew up in Kelseyville graduated from KHS in 1987… moved therein 1977 my dad got a job transfer to Lakeport moved there from Marin County because my parents wanted to be able to buy a house which was too expensive in San Rafael even in the 70’s so for we went Kelseyville is roughly 2.5 hours north of San Francisco, in the mountains of Napa and. Calistoga, such a beautiful place Clear Lake is the largest natural Lake inCalifornia, Tahoe would be the largest lake but half of Tahoe is in Nevada 🤷🏼♀️
Hey, I’m Hope’s fiancée. I’m watching this with her now and you did a great job! I love it!
She knows me as Katherine Hope on Facebook lol
Hi guys! I'm glad you like it! Good to see you on here hope. I always thought hope was your last name haha.
Camped at Clearlake state park every summer for 20 years or so. We would go fish around that island you speak of, one time we anchored by it. Upon pulling up the anchor we had a round stone ball come up with it. Assumed it was a cannon ball
I'm originally from Eureka up North but moved to Minnesota 15 years ago. I'm also blind and using voice to text and the technology is not perfect so please forgive mistakes. There were always the unspoken murmurs about the massacre on Indian island in Humboldt Bay. Now that we all pretty much carry the modern day Library of Alexandria and our pockets it is much easier for me to research history but I can find very little on the massacre of Indian island. If you think about it I would appreciate a video on what happened there. Either way though I appreciate the content here. Have a good one and take care.
I will save this comment. And look into that for you hun. I have more videos planned but its taking a lot more time to get them done then I thought. If there's something I can reach out to you on when I come out with new content and you would like me to let me know. I would be more than happy to assist :)
@@CheyenneBlue Completely understandable Cheyenne. I imagine you've got a list of content you want to work on so no rush if you ever get to it. Appreciate your reply and the work you're doing here. I've got the notifications turned on so I'll be alerted. You have a great day. Take care.
Thank you so much that means a lot to me ♡
I lived in upper lake, bachelor valley, and kelseyville.... glad to see you do this...
In the 60s, the Rancheria in Kelseyville was in disuse, and the traditions spiritual rituals were being forgotten. Even then natives didn't mix with whites, something I as a child didn't understand. I preferred my pomo friends to swim and play with but was never allowed to visit their homes. To this I still do not understand this type hatred.
It's incredibly sad. I've felt the same way. The local Pomo are often misunderstood and hated for no reason. There's many kind souls from all walks of life here.
Andrew Kelsey’s house is right in town it’s been bought and fixed up. Kelseyville was named after Kelsey. I don’t think it should’ve been named after him tho💀
Andrew Kelsey's house was destroyed not long after he was killed. You must be talking about another Kelsey family. Several distant cousins moved to the area in the 1870's. Barthena Kelsey and her clan being the main ones.
@@kevinengle2306 I live in Kelseyville and have basically all my life and the story I was told is that he lived there but some bought his property and now live there right on Main Street. But it has been a while since someone told me that so could definitely have my facts wrong. So thank you for informing me.
Great videos u should throw in pictures an videos will help alot to. Even if it's just pictures an videos of lakecounty
I was thinking the same thing lmao
Hey, like the video, if you want to learn a little more about the Pomo people, you need to check out my brother Stewie G. He talks about this same stuff but in music, He talks a lot about our native people.
I would love to get connected :)
Please look into the history of the Copsy Brothers. I believe there is a jail that was named after them in Lower Lake. My wife is a descendent of Copsy. Thanks.
Thank you for the recommendation I'm going to look into this :)
Ed,
The jail is not named after the Copsey Brothers but they did build the jail. The story goes after they got paid for building it they visited a few of the half dozen saloons established in Lower Lake at the time to celebrate. They got a bit to drunk and rowdy thus not only built the jail but were the first to be incarcerated in it too! However, they also became the only known inmates to escape from the jail. They had not quite finished the job and the roof had not been nailed down yet. After the Constable locked them up and went home for the night, the Copsey boys slid the roof aside and hightailed it home.🕵️
@@kevinengle2306 Thank you for the details
@@kevinengle2306 you do realize that the small jail could very well have been named after them around the community given they helped build it and we're some of its first occupants. The only histories that are written about the place are literally what's on the placard set there by ECV one of the most corrupt organizations I've been in contact with.
@@benjaminraetz8629 It's not called the Copsey Jail Ben, It's called the Lower Lake Jail. Hello!
We are mission, now big valley, we came from elem. we dance in the round house from Keshia to grind stone. To this day.
We start in Keshia. Point areana. Santa Rosa, hop land mission elem Robison colusa stoney ford grind stone.
I grew up on big valley. We call it mission.
We are still here
The cattle were probably stolen by Benjamin Moore. He was THE biggest cattle rustler for hundreds of miles.
See that would make sense. It's so frustrating that everything was taken out on the natives.
This is not the town for people who don’t want to live in the country , I grew up in Kelseyville graduated from Kelseyville high school in 1987 lol 😂
Thanks for sharing
My pleasure
There is this like memorial thing right by the house and I think lots of Natives were buried under it or something like that☹️
If it's the one by the Kelsey's house it's stone and Kelsey buried under it because kids kept digging them up.
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A good point to make when our current leaders talk about confiscating guns.
Exactly. I'm not into hunting or guns in general even though my dad was a government trapper but paying attention to history it worries me.
Who exactly is talking about confiscating guns? It is a Constitutional right to bear arms that cannot be denied. What is being discussed is the process for vetting the mentally ill and violent offenders so that they cannot have the right to purchase weapons. The rest of such ridiculous discussions are merely political rhetoric designed to scare and divide folks. Yes, there are those on the fringe who believe weapons should be banned and some who's children were murdered at Columbine and other such senseless school shootings that would agree weapons should be banned. Until humanity looses it violent and blood thirsty tendencies, guns will be necessary. Jesus cries tears of blood for us at this point in our evolution.
@@CheyenneBlue Do you really believe the native clans voluntarily "gave up their weapons" to Stone & the Kelsey Brothers with a promise "they would be taken care of"? Not realistic. The natives were captured, incarcerated, and terrorized by these scumbags. This was NOT a volunteer event as you describe. This version you put forth is a whitewashed version.
@@kevinengle2306 I used to be of the same opinion until I started seeing the laws already on the books. Take a look at the host of weapons that aren't even firearms that are illegal in California, and you'll see the blueprint for more universal controls.
I believe it could be entirely possible. It has happened more than once in history. If someone comes in seeming kind with the promise of a comfortable life and peace after a long time of suffering many would do just that. It was the native accounts that said they were seemingly kind in the beginning. I just go off of what I can find with the stories available.
Indian slavery in California is absent from the history books I studied. I am deeply sorry that someone with my skin color caused such misery to the native peoples here in Lake County and beyond.
We can't change the past but we can write the future and help one another.
NEVER never was it a "god send" when settlers came to native lands NEVER! dont mater how much less violent one was from the other... never has settling ever done anything FOR the natives/
Well done otherwise
When you have a group come in "offering" help in the shadow of catastrophe such as the Camdot massacre that predated the Bloody Island massacre some could see it as a "god send". Turn of phrase there hun one still used by democrats of today when they talk about Biden, BLM, and the joke vaccines. Individual perspective is an amazing thing and just like one can't talk for everyone today neither can they for certain say one thing is one way or the other in the past.
Your oh so right Nora. The only exception that might be offered is the relationship the tribes had with the Quakers. They always honored their treaties and walked the path of peace together. The Quakers we're a large influence on Constitution and the formation of our Republic but were ostracized from government positions when they refused to fight in the War of 1812 and other offensives against native people.
...questionable given their mysogyny
@@noramoore2157 Nora,
Mysogyny...where did you hear that Nora? One of the Quaker's main religious tenants is the equality of women to men. That has been the case for over three hundred years, so I am perplexed. If you are referring to the article on the first page or two of Google, written by a woman complaining about one particular gent who was worried about making the equality tenant a publicized issue for the consumption of the general public in modern times, I would suggest you go beyond the first few pages of Google and do some in depth research before reaching such a serious conclusion with so little info. The Quaker's are humble and private folk who frown on the lime light. They had a huge influence on the formation of the United States but most refused to fight in the revolution. Instead, many served in non-combat roles.They also refused to fight against their native brothers in the War of 1812. After that, they were basically ostracized from influence in U.S. politics and policy making which was a huge mistake. They were also key players in the Underground Railroad, risking life and limb to covertly assist runaway slaves to get to the north. Never were they slave owners. They are under appreciated in the history books for sure. During the revolution General Nathaniel Greene, Thomas Paine, and John Fox are but a few Quaker's who distinguished themselves in various capacities but most Quaker's were never written about because they were humble and rarely talked about their deeds. My favorite patriot, Patrick Henry greatly admired the Quaker's and their philosophy.
Regards, Kevin
Oh btw, Kelsey was scalped, well deserved IMO 😇
We have to pay middle town fire department to put our fires out in big valley. Cause Kelseyville and lake port and all other fire departments turned us down. We paid 3 times the price for the swamp land. From the Rez to town.
Joseph Smith started the Church of Latter Day Saints and started Polygamy he claimed you had to have at least 3 wives to become a God and to reach the highest level of Heaven they call the highest level in heaven 🤷♂️
Benjamin Moore worked for Vallejo before turning outlaw.
I believe I might've read something about that when I looked into Vallejos history. I'm thinking about doing a story on just Mariano's reign of terror as well.
How could you laugh making this video!!
You mean when I describe the bag of gold being the size of a man's arm and hold my arm out then realized that's not a good comparison o.O
Wild
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The Kelsey brothers and Mr. Stone were murdered by the Pomo tribe for their heinous treatment of them. That was likely justifiable. That being said, the town was not named for those brothers, it was named Kelseyville decades later after descendants of the Kelsey family moved to the area and settled there, treating the natives with respect.
Many cities and towns are named after people who may or not have been good people, but it is still a part of history and shouldn't be changed now that over 150 years have passed.
A true display of respect would be to take away the name. If you believe in your argument that since it’s been 150 years the name had been in place remember this was Pomo land for over 11,000 years. We have deeper and longer ties with the land so again a true display of respect would be to change the name
@@hay_u so should the name of every town in America that was on tribal lands be changed as well?
@@grprather I don’t speak for other tribes. I am Pomo but if it’s what they wanted then yes we should absolutely respect those wishes, especially if they are speaking out and fighting for it
@@hay_uAnd since we are a nation of laws with rights to vote on this, the majority shall decide whether to change the name. History will not be forgotten even if the town name changes, and as I said the town was NOT named in honor of the Kelsey brothers, it was named 50 years later by the government for the descendants who chose to settle there and make peace with the Pomo tribe.
You have to remember that when the tragedy occurred there were still wars being fought between U.S. soldiers and indigenous tribes. Settlers in the 1850's were often attacked without warning, as were many tribes (Some attacks were often made by other competing tribes, as well!). We can't change the narrative, and instead keep the name Kelseyville as a reminder of the past wrongs against people of all races. Who will pay for the thousands of dollars that would need to be spent to do this? Taxpayers are not responsible for this. Change the name and people will still remember what happened. It will only create chaos and discord.
@@grprather settlers were attacked when tribes were fed up with the violence , enslavement and kidnapping. When the bloody island massacre took place we still held onto peace and asked for it. Descendants of Kelsey are supporting the name change as well as many of the different Pomo tribes. and no one is trying to change what happened but there shouldn’t be a name in memory of past wrongs, why would you want that example? We were tricked out of our land and a name change is a good start for true recognition of the people who cared for and are connected to the land in more ways than just a title. Think whatever you want but when people look up the name Kelsey his atrocities are what’s going to come up. He laid that foundation and legacy and holds the title for one of CA’s most brutal slave owners.
NATIVES WHERE NOT VIEWED AS PROPERTY LIKE BLACKS AND THUS FACED THE WORSE VIOLENCE!!
Correct they were viewed more like livestock in a sense. So much of native history is swept under the rug.
I'm from lake co.im Caucasian, & was more less orphaned as I child. I grew up with my my friends on& off the reservations surrounding clearlake. You can say I'm the most racist against white ppl,white person there is. I've heard bits& pieces of these stories from elders growing up. THIS IS ALL TRUE& SO MUCH MORE!!! All these names I know. Their decedent's are my friends& I'm disappointed that EVERY SINGLE ONE of the "must see" or historic sites are named after& a tribute to f****** murderers! FUCK the name Kelseyville, it should be "Augustusville",fuck Anderson marsh,it should be Duncan marsh. Idk it hurts my heart that no one knows the 4real truth,pain&legacy of my friends,family,& loved one.
#pomopride
I know I grew up around the tribes as well. That's why I made this video to voice up what happened. I looked over every document and interview I could find.
and the name "Kelseyville" need to go down into a museum of shame. ps I live there.