Regarding the Holocaust survivor's families who are insulted and thrown garbage at, I have this information first hand from prof Ilan Greilsammer (Bar Ilan university, Tel Aviv). I did some digging to find if there was anything in the press or else. After the war, Holocaust survivors and their families were deemed "weak Jews" to be laughed at by the diaspora, people who didn't do enough to resist at times where Israel was seen as (again, a symbol) the embodiement of strength. This culture has been perpetrated with the younger generations until this day, as Prof Greilsammer mentioned in a lecture that they are called "soaps" and suffer other kinds of abuse. Here is a list of interesting resources: THE SECRET SUFFERING OF ISRAEL'S HOLOCAUST SURVIVORS, Washington post www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/1993/04/23/the-secret-suffering-of-israels-holocaust-survivors/82c1a7ba-3233-4351-b4b8-f7387e291335/ The Seventh Million: The Israelis and the Holocaust by Tom Segev us.macmillan.com/books/9780805066609/theseventhmillion An adaptation of the book I found on TH-cam: th-cam.com/video/sn_Bhe4BCws/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=BennyBrunner Also, how the State of Israel abuses holocaust survivors: www.tabletmag.com/sections/israel-middle-east/articles/israel-abuses-holocaust-survivors And how the state perceives Holocaust survivors are a financial burden: www.haaretz.com/opinion/2013-02-06/ty-article/.premium/amos-rubin-waiting-for-shoah-survivors-to-die/0000017f-f969-d460-afff-fb6ff8540000 www.jpost.com/opinion/article-729069 And one last thing: if you justify the killing of women and children as necessary or unavoidable, or the hitting of Israeli citizens by negligence, you're no better than terrorists. But thank you for boosting my engagement rates. Every hate comment reshares this video 10 times with the algorithm.
Yes I've heard this before, on history programmes long time ago, that Jews coming from Europe post WW11 , who survived the camps, were often treated with disgust, and told things like, why didn't you fight back...no empathy!?
... I have listened to a part from professor Ilan Greislamer's lecture (the only part I could find was about settlers and the ultra Orthodox, unfortunately i couldn't find his remarks about the holocaust). I found it interesting, can't say I agree about the notion that settlers remind Israelis of the Israeli pioneers (maybe settlers tell it to themselves?). I personally attribute the "tolerance" of the Israeli public towards them to a misunderstanding on his part. Meaning, the public at large doesn't really like the whole settler movement, the largest party in Israel has a primaries system, therefore it is risky politically to go against the movement (and so the politicians rarely do). In terms of the holocaust I think what is conflated here is what was the attitude towards the survivors at the beginning and what is the attitude towards them now (I heard there was something like that, though I am too young to have experienced it). I find it hard to believe the attitude towards those who survived was different than it is now (but of course it could have been). Nowadays, I think most people think that the survivors have gone through horrors unimaginable to any of us, and therefore they are respected. There is such a wide consensus about it many politicians pride themselves on helping them more than the others (being most of them are very old, the sums of money diverted into that cause get lower with time...). As for Haaretz, since there is free speech in Israel, they can publish whatever they want, and they do (if they outright lie they can be sued, but usually they find a way to legally mislead). Sometimes the titles are misleading, sometimes they base their op eds on imagined Palestinians (meaning the international polls and the research say one thing, they base it on the opposite). Their articles are used in NYT iirc. They are considered ultra left leaning in Israel (meaning most Israelis can't handle the pro Palestinian, at times pro hamas bias the paper has). This is not to say they are necessarily bad, just to say that when people quote Haaretz as an Israeli paper, most Israelis find it odd, it is probably considered more of anti Israeli paper...
@@titanomachy2217 , noted, you're right, they are considered old... I have no idea why i see your comment here, but cannot see it in the thread itself... Either way, thanks for the correction...
@titanomachy2217 He said holocaust survivors families. There are a few survivors left, in their 80s or 90s, some people live that long. There are families of those survivors, children grandchildren...?
My father told me, about 50 years ago, that I was a “self hating Jew” when I said that Palestinians deserve human rights too.”. He was propagandized to dehumanize Palestinians way back then because their dehumanization was, and is, necessary for the settler colonialist project, still underway. Zionists would say “it was empty land and the Israelis made the desert bloom” sort of thing.
@nancymathisen9707 Jews with no homeland, no nationstate, are weak and 'generally' have to assimilate. And Jews can assimilate incredibly well. Alternatively, Jews with a homeland are strong and independent. They thrust their unapologetic Jewishness in your face. Non-jews tend to prefer the weak and assimilated variety. Unfortunately many Western Jews who've accepted weakness and assimilation. Are annoyed at being confused with those having a strength of conviction in who they are. To not be 'purely self interested individuals' …but belong, and want to fight for a homeland. And how scary that can be, for those that had to always defend themselves alone. It is a great internal embarrassment at their inauthenticity, and an even larger outer embarrassment... with being ‘even remotely', associated with Jews that own 'authenticity' outright. The 'weak' are then wheedled into the media spotlight by progressives, to validate that Israel is a fascist oppressor. The timid and afraid, being told to oust those with strength, is as old as time itself.
Your not a self hating Jew that is the most absurd lie I've ever heard, in the West they come up with words and Buzz words to section and divide people your this or that to define people. If you dont fall inline with their thinking you are classed as XYZ... You what you said was very forward and progressive thinking that most people in your time wouldn't accept. Well done your a brave person God bless you and those who speak out. I think it's safe to say Palestinians want what everybody else wants... to go to school, have a business, have a normal life... become a sports person, Dr, Poet and etc etc. The guy in this video is right they use symbolism to define... PM Benjamin called the children of Gaza as evil and dark and Israeli children as light... so what kind of picture comes up in your subconscious mind?
In 1982 I am a Christian travelling around India with a bunch of Armenians and a Palestinian. I loved the times we spent together. It was hard for the Iranian Armenians as the Ayatollah was making life hard for them. And the Palestinian was nervous about things going bad for his people. Before the Palestinian left to defend his people back home we had a big argument where he ended with “You know nothing!!”…and he was right. I came from a background of being defensive towards the Jew and their prior traumas. I am still a Christian 41 years later. Now I look at Matthew 5,1-12 and wonder how Israel could lose itself so terribly. The empathy towards these Muslim brothers and sisters that are sacred souls before them is lost in their blindness. A Jewish Rabbi leader came out with the same above comment about Israel, and how they have forgotten and lost the path to humanity and God. I wish I could go back 41 years to that Palestinian and hug him, call him brother, and say Yes, you are right.
Jews been ethnically cleansed from every muslim arab country and from europe... we read about this going on for thousands of years.. the Palestinians who are equally banned from arab countries are armed by the very people who hate them.. to be an army against the jew. Billions sent to a small strip of land.. enough to make them all kings, they spend it all on missiles and tunnels and elect terrorist to run government... how is that not the truth?
My friend yes I do not condone human abuse towar palestenian civilians from the Israel security forces. But I surely can understand why they are wary of palestenian since they were dealing for 75 years of war and terrorism. All of them took them of guards including October 7 attack from Hamas, and any step to prevent or taking out future terrorist in their mind is justify,vas many palestenian believe that terrorism is a form of resistance. Yes any civilian death is a disgrace but you also have to see the total context in order to understand who the real culprit is. The only example in the USA that I can relate what is happening in Gaza is the kike Rittenhouse cases that yes he killed two person but it was in selves defense and the mob narrative find him guilty without even consider the context on why it happens, and as the court stated it was a case of self defense that the three person shots were the one who initiated the attack on him. And likewise Hamas provoked the israelíes lure the to attack them, and setting the civilian to be bombed by the israelíes, by setting their missiles launchers, weapon deposits and command center within or under those civilians infraestructures. Yes Israel pulled the trigger but it was Hamas that provoked Israelis and the one that put the civilian Infront of israelíes bombs...
I too am a Christ follower who had an Evangelical background. I sensed God leading me to love my Muslim neighbors and I regularly joined them in prayer for 6 years. I made friends from Palestine, Jordan, and Egypt and other Christians who were troubled by the horrendous mistreatment of Palestinian Muslims and Christians. They demonstrate a far greater patience, and calm courage than almost any of my fellow Americans. That so many who claim (I believe falsely) to follow Jesus are seemingly entirely devoid of empathy is sickening.
Dr, what you are saying is absolutely true. Thank you for articulating it well. For a blind supporter of israel, it won’t make a difference if 1 innocent Palestinian is killed or 20,000 are killed. They are just numb to it.
75% Palestinian support the atrocious slaughter on October 7th, it's not easy to say they are innocent. They are blood thirsty cult followers. They are taught to hate Jews, to demonize Jews, to kill Jews. So don't be naive stupid.
It won't make a difference for a 'blind' supporter of anything, since they're blind. However, I am a staunch supporter of Israel and it definitely does break my heart that so many Palestinians are killed.
This isn’t true. Many Israel supporters want to support Palestinians too. It can’t be either or. That is the extremist views that are presented constantly on social media.
@@hannadavis6867 that's like saying the vaccine killed people during the pandemic so it must be evil! More deaths are being prevented, but there are many deaths which is an unfortunate reality when fighting a terror group who hide behind civilians.
"The biggest insult to the memory of the holocaust is not denying it but using it as an excuse to justify the genocide of the Palestinian people." - Norman Finkelstein
Why did so many "death camps" have nurseries, theatres, bee keeping and soccer clubs, swimming pools etc? Why do all claimed survivors have 5 digit tattoos. wouldnt the first 100k people in a death camp die if there was apparently millions turned into dust. since ground penetrating radar has never found the claimed graves.
In Quran and The Bible it's clear that Jesus is in heaven. But when it comes to Mohammed it's unknown what happened to him after death. So if he is in hell whoever believes him and his religion are going to hell...right. Think Muslims...
@@Jesus_SOG_ Isa (Jesus) Peace be upon him is alive, he didn't die and is in the heavens waiting for his time to return to Earth to defeat Dajjal (AntiChrist). Muhammad peace be upon him will be the first person to enter heavens on the Day of Judgement. Please don't create false narratives and if you have any misconceptions clear them by asking questions to learn and not to mock or slander.
“I was called a terrorist yesterday, but when I came out of jail, many people embraced me, including my enemies, and that is what I tell other people who say those who are struggling for liberation in their country are terrorists.” - Nelson Mandela
@@joshmiller9783 a failed stete that runs by their own people..i dont see whats wrong with that!!yall miller names(westrn i mean)inslave them for centurythief their source yes they diamond that make another miller in newyork rich,banned them for develope their knowledge,banned them from civilization and human right And how long do they get this freefom 1990..30 years is a young nation,the things is you with your westrn name and weatrn idealogy need to f off from their land!!
Sorry Nelson Mandela and Hamas are not the same.... He did not hide in another country whilst civilians were in harms way, accumulate wealth whilst civilians are deprived, create tunnels to keep himself safe whilst civilians are left unshielded, dig out plumbing pipes to make weapons and leave civilians dependent for basic needs like water...
Well spoken - but to those of us who have been following this conflict for over 40 years, this is nothing new. Israel as a nation suffers from collective psychopathy.
WOW. Are you really qualified to diagnose millions of people without even having any familiarity with any of them? I’m sure you’re not, but you’re clearly belong to the category of people who think that they know a lot about things they’re talking about. Let me assure you - you know nothing! And this isn’t a diagnosis, just statement of fact.
The propaganda is that strong especially when virtually the entire establishment combining political, media, and the dispensationalist Christian church all plays a huge part. Its creates a kneejerk emotional response that just cant cut through on certain people
@@snakejuceon the bright side, the presence of social media giving an alternative to these hegemonic forces has been a game changer. I can't imagine how bad and deafening the silence would be currently to these atrocities if there was no social media. We used to have the underground press, but I'm not sure the reach would have been quite as potent as modern day social media
Indeed. Which is why it is almost at the point that everything they say can be seen as a half-truth or a lie (and neither worth lending an ear to). The only proper response will either be (mocking) laughter or a cold, flat "I do not believe you.".
I believe that the fear of muslims 'taking over' comes from how Christians literally did take over North America and Australia etc. However in comparison muslims ruled Spain and India for centuries and we can see how the people, religion, languages and cultures of those lands have survived.
Sorry I think the fear of Muslims "taking over" as you state it has come from themselves...They say they want to create Islamic states in the west, just look on TH-cam you will find the videos, nothing to do with Christianity let's not project...
This is very true. That is why they have fear of the other. It’s really a projection. That is exactly what I tell people about other countries. Their history, language and culture survived then they tell me not true lol. The ones whose ancient culture that has been lost were obviously invaded and demolished. It’s very weird. How some people pretend not to see it and this is clearly what's going on with Palestine the only differences is its being televised in real time.
I broke my heart this morning broke down just before leaving for a Palestine rally the sheer evil being committed is beyond my scope of understanding. This is genocide.
The reason there is hope for humanity is hundreds of millions of people feel the exact same way and they are expressing those feelings powerfully for the whole world to see. People are not sleepwalking into a genocide this time. We have a chance for things to turn out differently this turning of the cycle.
It isnt hard to understand. Gazas government targets women and children. Then they surround themselfs with women and children journalists you know in hospitals and schools and apartments. Isreal hits back at Hamas Targets and generally doesnt give a fuck if Civilians stay in the area. Both side are wrong
My heart broke 710 when i saw Palestinians in the street celebrating rape, torture, murder and abduction of innocent Israeli's. And then the pro-palestinian protesters starting marching for palestine 3 weeks before iarael responded militarily - and contnuously warning people to move away from bombing zones. You people who believe and share hamas-provided civilian death numbers, and propaganda videos of dead children in Syria and say its Israel. And all the other bullshit you share...youre all FKD. Brainwashed or stupid.
This has blown my mind. I've been so despondent seeing how even liberal-minded people I know can be so pro-Israel despite the clear fascism of that regime. You've hit the nail on the head.
You know they are the worst. I am writing to you from Germany and could get mad from this educatet people who think they are so right by standing with Israel.
I’m pro Palestinian because I’m also pro Israel. I want Israel to exist as a haven for Jewish people; but that can only occur when they make peace with the Palestinians and surrounding Arab nations. As long as Israel remains an ethnonationaliat state that excludes the rights of non-Jews, it will always be in a de facto state of war; and no nation can remain at war for its entire existence.
@@keirfarnum6811 "no nation can remain at war for its entire existence." Especially when their entire existence depends on the good graces of allies and their actions risk alienating those allies.
Unfortunately questioning the imagery doesn't work either. They either deny that it is happening, or they become apologists for it and claim that the situation is just so difficult and it's not their fault anyway, it's the other side's fault. I despair of getting through to people.
It won't work for them, definitely. But you've got people for whom something could click. I was pro-Israeli before thanks to school and my parents believing all Muslims are terrorists
It's the dark side of science. You have countless people researching the human condition for countless years, which is used by faceless think-tanks to act like rudders of public perception. The war on terror and it's narrative was easy to see through if you looked outside of the narrative, eg claims that the talliban were getting farmers to grow opium, despite being commended for stopping it before 9-11
It also has to do with the inability to have Cognitive Empathy. Most people in North America have never had to endure the atrocities of war. They watch alot of violence on TV, play violent video games, and are decensitised. They subconsciously believe, you can just hit the start button, and keep playing, or just turn the game off, and carry on with life.
@@howard5536 cognitive empathy is about the mind, not the emotions - you're saying that people who support Israel are only doing so because they're dumb? You idiot! Shout it from the rooftops! Queers for Palestiaaaaaaaaaaah *splat*
This is an EXCELLENT break down that I’ve been trying to figure out the answer to. I have so many jewish friends who are otherwise the most empathetic people when it comes to oppressed groups, but when it comes to Palestinians, any empathy goes right out the window. I greatly appreciate you making this video, this will be helpful in helping me shape arguments that I’m confident will reach at least some of them.
You are assuming that Palestinians are oppressed - rather than victims of their own poor judgement and criminal leadership. A Palestinian state has been offered them time and time again - from 1947 on, and their refusal to recognize the Jewish people's right (recognized by the League of Nations, UN and every real democracy on earth) to live in peace in their own state and their choice to choose violence and terrorism has prevented them from having one.
@nahumschnitzer26 you're disingenuous and wrong. One, no one had the right to give away a land that was already inhabited, let alone White Supremacist Anglo-Euro Christendom. But it makes sense why Zionist supremacy aligned with those racists. Two, the 5 times a so-called state was offered, it was egregiously inhumane. The Palestinians were to be made permanent non-sovereign entities of their own state with Israel effectively controlling it. You are ignorant on an important matter and for that, you are accepting a genocide.
@nahumschnitzer26 what kind of peaceful people kill thousands of children? What kind of only state of Jews wants to persecute Jews for speaking out against the government? What kind of peaceful people cannot accept the International Communities collective peace treaties based on International Law that Isra el rejects every year? Stop victimising yourself. Its about time that the world realised what the state of Isra el really is: a zionist yt supremacist apartheid state.
@@dumsaint And this is exactly what the League of Nations, the forerunner to the UN did. It allocated the overwhelming majority of the Mideast to Arabs to satisfy their national aims, and a tiny area which was the ancestral Jewish homeland and always had a Jewish presence as the Jewish National Home. How many Arab and Muslim countries are there in the world? And how many Jewish states? How large is the land mass of Israel?
Unlikely to work in my opinion unfortunately. Even if you speak their language, it's very difficult to crack confirmation bias. They believe what they want to believe. Give them 9 truths against them and they'll scrutinize and deny it, but give them 1 lie that glorifies them and they'll happily gobble it up without question.
Yes, but Israel succeeds, and in just a month or two from now, Palestine is an empty, desolate and destroyed place, no one can deny that a genocide did not occur there.
You won't change them. You may stop them in their tracks for a second. But small clicks add up on the long term. Empires fall because of cracks on the inside.
This is a very interesting video because I have been thinking the same thing myself. How is it that the same people, who have cynically exploited the empathy of European peoples with regard to their own suffering, are incapable of feeling any empathy themselves ?
@@Asdfgfdmn hey propaganda spreader. ethnic cleansing is something very specific. don't use emotion laden words to get sympathy for muslims who committed a massacre on october 7. quote "Ethnic cleansing, on the other hand, only refers to the expulsion of a group from a certain area. Ethnic cleansing has not been defined and is not recognized as a crime under international law, according to the U.N. And in reality, the lines between ethnic cleansing and genocide are often blurred. “Your motivation may be that you want the people out, but if in doing that you intend to destroy the group, then it’s also genocide,” said James Silk, a human rights professor at Yale Law School." end quote. so palestinians are ethnic cleansers and genocidal.
If a person is too arrogant and self absorbed and self aggrandizing everybody else is reduced to being inferior and disposable. There is also a paranoid tendency to perceive threats where there are none such as Jewish schools in London closing due to alleged antisemitic threats when none were actually occurring although people might have been angry against what Israel was doing to the Palestinians
"dr" william Barylo... you are a cheap man.... a flaw in God's work far more injurous than any perception homosexual... you have backed islam and palestine... who have whored the name of God such as to shoot rockets at your neighbors for 60 years and falsified the value of throwing Gays off of rooves in gaza... you are ... the epitome of cheap and coward... you have brought sham upon God... and you have tempted the children of the USA.. the only people in existence who could salvage anyone you could have loved even in theory... from your own cheap, whored, cowardice.... to join you in failing all you could have loved in life... .this is who you have become. you will take this knowledge into death..... instead of trying to find solutions... .. true solutions.. .. you backed men who trained their sons to grab a baby by the ankles in front of his parents.. and swing its head against the floor until it was dead..... .. this.. is what all of islam gauarantees mankind... it is the whore of the mason's lodge... . the evil... of every rich and careless spoiled person..... you .... have allowed your life.. to represent the breath of mystery the whore... who would kill any one of God's babies... that way you have no place here
When you take G-d out of Judaism and replace it with the Golden Calf of Ethnonationalism, it becomes a Master Race ideology only distinguishable from the German Nazis in that they had to steal land to ethnically cleanse of the üntermenchen (goyim in Yiddish). For one who feels they are a master race, anyone who does not recognize their ethnic superiority is an existential threat to them. For a narcissist, any criticism of anything they do is perceived as a threat.
A big, big thank you for these explanations. I think it’s really very helpful. It’s frustrating when you talk to people about this sensitive issue and you feel you’re not on the same level but you cannot figure out how to communicate efficiently in order to reach the other one.
I was born in Zambia and grew up in apartheid 70s South Africa. I had to learn and then unlearn when I grew up laterin the uk. But the herd mentality is strong😢
Growing up in the 70s in South Africa is nothing in comparison in the 50s&60 s in South Africa.from the 70 s it became relatively easier and the mindset gradually took a different direction for the better
‘Smashing the idols‘ perfect description. People are so drunk on their idols that they don’t even realize it. From a religious standpoint christians and jews who support the oppression must seriously question themselves if they even serve God or only their idols.
Those cheering on the Human Sacrifice being offered to the Golden Calf of Ethnonationalism are neither Christian or Jewish, but Moloch worshipping Amalekites.
To me this is far more enlightening: A Palestinian Speech at UN th-cam.com/video/pjOEJumoABg/w-d-xo.htmlsi=iYaBeY6g5zIXHKSb ‘Woke West’ pouring billions of dollars into pro-Palestine movement th-cam.com/video/Nujv9pj1X8w/w-d-xo.htmlsi=rB5WX56NfeqXbSYr
Here is why: Promised land and land borders: Genesis 12:1-3 The Lord had said to Abram, “Go from your country, your people and your father’s family. Go to the land I will show you. “I will make you into a great nation, and I will bless you; I will make your name great, and you will be a blessing. I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you.” Genesis 15: 18-21 18 On that day the Lord made a covenant with Abram and said, “To your descendants I give this land, from the Wadi of Egypt to the great river, the Euphrates- 19 the land of the Kenites, Kenizzites, Kadmonites, 20 Hittites, Perizzites, Rephaites, 21 Amorites, Canaanites, Girgashites and Jebusites.” Genesis 26:2-5 (promise to Isaac son of Abraham) 2 The Lord appeared to Isaac and said, “Do not go down to Egypt; live in the land where I tell you to live. 3 Stay in this land for a while, and I will be with you and will bless you. For to you and your descendants I will give all these lands and will confirm the oath I swore to your father Abraham. 4 I will make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and will give them all these lands, and through your offspring all nations on earth will be blessed, 5 because Abraham obeyed me and did everything I required of him, keeping my commands, my decrees and my instructions.” Genesis 28:13 (Promise to Jacob son of Isaac) “There above it stood the Lord, and he said: “I am the Lord, the God of your father Abraham and the God of Isaac. I will give you and your descendants the land on which you are lying.” Exodus 23:31- God talking to Moses 27 “I will send my terror ahead of you and throw into confusion every nation you encounter. I will make all your enemies turn their backs and run. 28 I will send the hornet ahead of you to drive the Hivites, Canaanites and Hittites out of your way. 29 But I will not drive them out in a single year, because the land would become desolate and the wild animals too numerous for you. 30 Little by little I will drive them out before you, until you have increased enough to take possession of the land. 31 “ I will establish your borders from the Red Sea to the Mediterranean Sea, and from the desert to the Euphrates River. I will give into your hands the people who live in the land, and you will drive them out before you. 32 Do not make a covenant with them or with their gods. 33 Do not let them live in your land or they will cause you to sin against me, because the worship of their gods will certainly be a snare to you.” Deuteronomy 11:24 Every place where you set your foot will be yours: Your territory will extend from the desert to Lebanon, and from the Euphrates River to the Mediterranean Sea. Calls for Genocide: Ezekiel 9:6 Slaughter the old men, the young men and women, the mothers and children, but do not touch anyone who has the mark. Begin at my sanctuary.” So they began with the old men who were in front of the temple Jeremiah 48:10 A curse on anyone who is lax in doing the LORD’s work! A curse on anyone who keeps their sword from bloodshed! Joshua 11:10-12 10 At that time Joshua turned back and captured Hazor and put its king to the sword. (Hazor had been the head of all these kingdoms.) 11 Everyone in it they put to the sword. They totally destroyed them, not sparing anyone that breathed, and he burned Hazor itself. 12 Joshua took all these royal cities and their kings and put them to the sword. He totally destroyed them, as Moses the servant of the Lord had commanded. Ezekiel 9:5-7 “ 5 As I listened, he said to the others, “Follow him through the city and kill, without showing pity or compassion. 6 Slaughter the old men, the young men and women, the mothers and children, but do not touch anyone who has the mark. Begin at my sanctuary.” So they began with the old men who were in front of the temple. 7 Then he said to them, “Defile the temple and fill the courts with the slain. Go!” So they went out and began killing throughout the city. “
This is such a great analysis honestly. I've been struggling to understand where their obsessions come from, as I'm not a supremacist, I am "able to have empathy" towards any oppressed human being, which is not the case for many other people as we can see today. But even my realization of this wasn't enough for me to understand their brain working. Thank you so much.
The holocaust wasn't done by. Gas, - it was done by arrogance. J Bronowski When ever any tribes ego grows to the extent that they are allowed to y feel "superior" to the rest - then atrocities are bound to result. It may be the arrogance of "God's chosen people" or "American exceptionalism" ( which is responsible for the murder of many millions of civilians in the last 50 years) or some other obscene arrogance. The way to prevent this is a liberal and secular education where individual autonomy and mutual tolerance are promoted, although of course these are not without limits.
Excellent job, and very informative. Thank you for taking the time to make this video. Helped to give me a better understanding of why someone people may be acting this way, but not all. I think that for some of them this is just how they truly are, showing their true colors. So sick and sad.
I am a jew from the US and you said something really troubling in this video that i didnt know about and still dont understand - you talked about holocaust survivors being insulted inside israel and israeli people throwing garbage at them! Can you elaborate on that? What do you mean? I believe you, i just don’t know if i fully understand. Other than that confusion, I appreciate your analysis. Its been so disheartening and honestly traumatizing watching people looking at these unbearable images and stories, and words coming out of gaza and the rest of Palestine and seeing people who i thought i knew…not caring. Its like looking into a black hole. Cold and empty. Edit: i recently watched your video about how to talk about Palestine, and you answered the question.
It's in the Israel. I saw video on tiktok a little clips from a documentary or something. The Holocaust survivor taking vegetables that were thrown from the market to eat. Something like that. I'm not really sure but you can google it.
In Isreal many orthodox Jews are bashed by z1on1sts because they don't believe in Isreal.. Jewish men continue to say that Judaism and z1on1sm is incompatible because Judaism believes Jews were exiled from the land and await their messiah, while z1on1sts don't agree with them and try to silence them.. Jews standing for a cease fire or even a 2 state proposal are criticised.. like we see how Isreal tries to silence anyone who has any single criticism for Isreals actions, they do this to Jews aswell.. there's plenty of videos on here of orthodox Jews standing against Isreal and z1on1sm and even Isrealis standing against Isreal for their actions towards Palestinians..
When Jewish people came home after surviving concentration camps they were often not welcomed, if fact they were treated very badly because antisemitism still existed. It was very cruel.
There's also many whose careers and incomes depend on having a pro_Israeli stance and they've weighed the metrics between their own security versus the security of some people far away they never met. They decided their own ends are more important.
Another deeply anisemetic view. While there is truth to this, the automatic reaction I hear of pro hamas or pro Palestinian supporters saying the only possible reason to ever support or understand the plight Jewish people for the past 2000 years would ONLY be because of financial gain or security. Not because we too are part of humanity trying to survive in this world
@@down-to-earth-mystery-school 100% I don’t agree with genocide of innocent people or any other unjust untenable living conditions of innocent Palestinians that has resulted from 100years of conflict but Hamas Palestinian resistance movement is not looking to share land peacefully their intent happens to be genocide of jews worldwide. They say this in their original charter and say this plainly. What we see now is PR rebranding as a Marxist movement disseminated by Tiktok gen z. Yes, Palestinians have a right to the land. They do not have the right to 100% of the land where Jews have always and will always hopefully exist there.
"many whose careers and incomes depend" is an arrow aimed at all opportunistic humans who would rather not be awakened from their invincible ignorance. It's a human shortcoming, the only "race" we need to include is the human one.
Very smart video. I have been engaging with my friend for the last 3 months on this issue. No facts or evidence will get through. He will continually re adjust his position to accommodate for Israel’s latest transgressions. I will try some of this.
@@williambarylostill being a totalitarian system guarantees your committing crimes on enormous scale unthinkable for any democracy. The same goes with theocracy and authoritarian governments. How many people died in war between Iraq and Iran? What was it about?
Democracies don't keep the majority population in concentration camps, stripped of any representation. The only Apartheid in the Middle East is a logical statement. Syria is a democratic country. Iran is a democratic country. Lebanon is a democratic country. JSIL is an Apartheid terrorist entity, with its Irgun Diaper Forces. It has no more legitimacy than its protoge ISIL.
Very well articulated. These are points that are supposed to be common sense but sadly are being blurred by their propaganda machine, but not for long. Those propagandas are heavily reliant on money which they are losing fast.
@@williambarylo Facts, I'm not an influencer but I've been making videos on my channel since the 7th of october out of compulsion. But even a nobody like me has been shadowbanned and restricted heavily. They have been going above and beyond to silence the world.
@@williambarylo Facts, I'm not an influencer but I've been making videos on my channel since October out of compulsion. But even a nobody like me has been shadowbanned and restricted heavily. They have been going above and beyond to silence the world.
@@williambarylo At this moment in time, Science appears to be the main global religion. Major traditional religions teach humanity that this world is null & void, you're just a traveler in this world & Democracy, for its part, explains that the material world is the essence of human existence. Due to the inability of traditional confessions to respond to the current global problems a new religiosity will eventually emerge. But since life is not only existential but also symbolic, it's precisely these great symbols that Democracy can't defeat & abolish & will have to step down before them. *Money, Militarism & Democracy as they form today in Western Civilization are fighting the last & greatest battles against man. In the end, they will lose because the ancient forces of Faith, Blood & brotherhood are older & more powerful & in the not-so-distant future will win over Western Imperialism.*
🤔 The Zionists in Israel are rolling in money. The USA has recently donated $14 billion without conditions. And sent $millions in armaments. That is without counting the international Jewish financial backing of the government in Jerusalem.
Yes! I grew up Christian and we were absolutely indoctrinated into the idea that Jews are God’s ‘chosen people’, but no one acknowledged the inherent problem with this idea - superiority. Whoever any group throughout history set themselves above others as superior, bad things happened to those they deemed ‘inferior’. This is another version of white, religious supremacy, colonization, stealing land and resources from native peoples…
to expand on the absurdity of that logic let me break it even further- "i'm gay. these arabs who are running from bombs 24/7 in a 365 sq km patch of land deserve it because they don't love me. and so i choose a failed ethnostate where i can't get married." bro please don't bring your pathetic ass out of whichever first world parasite country you're from. your narcissism is absolutely not welcome.
Thank you very much! I've always wondered how these people think, why they don't understand that what is being done there is a great injustice. Now I understand. I think it's also a type of (cultural) narcissism, seeing yourself as superior and believing that everything you do is right.
Yes! That was very informative and interesting thank you, i had notice the lack of understanding (deliberate or not as i once thought) or a deeply ingrained propaganda taught in schools, i thought it was a form of ‘collective narcissism’ but i couldn’t reconcile the numbers. So thank you , your insight has given me a glimpse in how to understand this grotesque mass myrder of innocent civilians. I will have a different approach in expressing my thoughts feelings. Thank you. I am struggling with enormity of the destruction and targeting of innocent human beings by this group. It’s overwhelming all encompassing sadness for the Palestinian people.
Poor argument based on empathy for others being more important than your own life. How would it work if IIsrael/ Gaza roles reversed? This is a fight for survival by one side (not without its faults) and another avowed to extinguish the lives of ALL those in a neighbouring state. This is not some playground game where one supports one side or the other it is an assessment of a sorrowful situation and it’s logical resolution. I could scarcely believe My ears.
There's no point in talking in symbols because you can make any argument that way. These people are lost, there's nothing we can do. Truth comes from the heart.
A link to an article mentioning the garbage being thrown at Holocaust survivors by Israeli settlers would be wonderful, I could definitely plant some seeds of doubt with some folks I know if I had that.
Holocaust survivors were actively participating in the murder of Palestinians, and raping of their girls, in 1948 when Israel was 'founded'. Can still see grizzled old soldiers giggling about it in interview videos.
This is an anecdote told by Prof Ilan Greilsammer (who described himself as a left-leaning Zionist), I couldn't find any traces in the news perhaps because this is not in English. The only article in English I could find is about the state abuse of Holocaust survivors: www.tabletmag.com/sections/israel-middle-east/articles/israel-abuses-holocaust-survivors
Just a question to Pro-Palestinian people: If the Israeli government was overthrown or replaced with a “Palestinian liberation” movement like Hamas, would you be okay with the inevitable genocide that would ensue against theJewish people? If you cannot comprehend that as a realistic result of a Palestinian state, you lack the foresight that history has provided us for centuries, not just the last 70 years. Israel is not going anywhere. Should they chill with the bombs? That’s not for me to say. All I know is that about 10 years ago, Obama was carpet bombing Syria and no one was crying genocide then.
The Israelis arrived in Palestine under the Balfour declaration despite English promises to the Arabs of their own state in exchange for fighting the Ottomans. immediately Israeli state sponsored gangs went around raping and murdering displacing millions with Israeli IDF veteran's confessions to the women they raped and civilians they slaughtered all on camera while they laughed go watch the documentary Tantura. the people committing the genocide are the Israelis and have been committing it for the past 80 years. Hamas since 2017 has been very vocal that they accept the 1967 2 state solution yet Israel denies to negotiate. Hamas and Hezbollah did not start targeting civilians they announced that they would start targeting civilians due to Israel's endless targeting of their civilians an eye for an eye. the US involvement in Syria while horrible and despicable was not genocide it was the targeting of ISIS that was the intention while Israel's is simply to in the words of many Israeli politicians "Flatten Gaza". you're not an intellectual you don't even understand the issue at hand stay in your place.
Very interesting and constructive perspective thank you for sharing. The contrast with the mass of repetitive copy paste like content on that topic out there is a clear sign that this is the fruit of genuine thinking in an attempt to bring something that is not being said by the masses that address this topic. This is mainly a reaction to the last sentence in the video, any original content produced with sincerity in a genuine attempt to add value is useful whether it has any external impact or not.
A little black and white thinking, perhaps? How should Israel have responded when 1,200of it's citizens and foreign workers were murdered and 250 more were taken hostage? How would any country respond? Yes, the scale of civilian deaths in Gaza is horrific.Does Hamas have any responsibility? And by the way, why was there no worldwide outrage when the Syrian dictatorship killed a quarter of a million people. I am certain that this post will get a ton of negative reactions for the exact reason you so eloquently describe.
how should Palestinians respond when almost 111361 Palestinians have been killed in conflict since 1948 (data from jewish virtual library, that also excluding 2022 and early 2023 killings) and 6000+ illegally kidnapped into israeli jail without charges? if you can't tolerate violent resistance maybe don't violently oppress and persecute people in the first place. and if the hostages are with hamas and idf is bombing to kill hamas aren't the hostages also endangered?
I’m sorry.that’s not an answer. It’s whatabout. A recitation of previous grievances without context only adds rancor. It doesn’t explain and it doesn’t add to anyone’s understanding. Let me pose my question again. How should a country respond when it is attacked by a group that wants to destroy it and murders 1,200 of it’s citizens and foreign workers and takes hostages. Hamas knew very well that Israel would respond with bombing. That’s what they intended. They built tunnels to protect themselves and nothing to protect ordinary Gazans. They also knew that they could count on ignorance and latent antisemitism to turn public opinion against Israel. Nobody protested the humanitarian catastrophe that resulted from the Saudi war against the Houthis nor against the ethnic cleansing of the Rohingyas. Only when Israel tries to destroy an organization that tries to destroy it do we see massive demonstrations in Western capitals. When you claim the moral high ground, please think about the implications of what you are claiming. It just might not be as simple as you want it to be.
@@Elmer_Badly "A recitation of previous grievances without context only adds rancor". did you just say i'm the one ignoring context when i literally answered you with the exact context behind 7th oct? the context being israel's 75 year long occupation of Palestinian land and lives. laughable how you contradict yourself just like your beloved idf zionazis. and the fact that you called the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians "previous grievances". just say you don't see Palestinians as complete people with equal human value and leave bro. it is futile to argue with people like you who clearly lack conscience.
@@Elmer_Badly you think hamas just happened in a bubble. well the likud governement might disagree with you because they funded Hamas (and have admitted to doing so) and they depend on hamas for political gains. And not to mention that the UN General Assembly also gives Palestinians the right to armed resistance. so idk why people are surprised when a blockaded people take up arms and contribute to the cycle of violence introduced by their oppressors.
@@Elmer_Badly and this whole notion that public engagement with previous genocides was absent is blatant ignorance of the current technological environment that enables such an enormous response. the internet has exponentially transformed in the last 3-4 years. Palestinians in Gaza are recording their own genocide, we are getting our info firsthand without having to depend on filtered out bs from biased mainstream media outlets. and massive protests in Western capitals? bro have you seen Indonesia, Yemen, Morocco? And why wouldn't people protest when their countries are the ones most involved in this genocide. stop hiding behind antisemitism and weaponizing and disrespecting jewish trauma to justify this racist imperialist failure of a society. the excuse is wearing out because while you individuals keep cheering on this genocide, 153 countries have voted for a ceasefire, so you're very alone in your bloodthirsty opinions my friend. unless of course all these 153 countries are antisemitic which wouldn't be the wildest nonsense that you guys have said till now.
Thank you for your videos, I really enjoyed them tremendously. I’m a Muslim, who loves to follow the Prophet and his family’s way of treating people. That was to never treat anyone harshly no matter what race or religion. To respect everyone, to show love, empathy, kindness, compassion and always be generous to the needy. To others as you would want to be treated. Thankful I’m done a pretty good job of holding up to that path and left hatred out of my heart and filled it with forgiveness, patience and peace. For anyone who truly wants to understand Islam if the Quran doesn’t make sense to them then please read about how The Prophet and his family lived to understand. They were an example for Muslims to live by. Hence we greet each other “Peace be upon you” ❤️
You're aware that your prophet made genocidal wars against entire tribes, because of the actions of a few people he didn't like. He raped, took captive women whose families he murdered, and treated people worse than you would treat your worst enemy. He was not an example of a good person. You stating the fact you follow his example, is quite disturbing. I'm sure you're not a bad person, and maybe you're ignorant of all that stuff, but Islam is a poison against all that is good and holy if it's based on the actions of its prophet.
Do not initiate greetings with the Jews and Christians. When you meet any of them in the road, then make him take its narrowest path. Source: Sahih Muslim 2167, Grade: Sahih
@@NJ-ju8fr We can respond to greetings without initiating them, but only if someone greets us first. In that case, we reply with the same greeting they use, because Islam promotes justice and giving everyone their due rights. It is known that Muslims hold a higher status and rank in the sight of Allah, so they should not degrade themselves to non-Muslims by initiating greetings with them first.
Looking forward to part 2 when he talks about Palestinian support for Hamas and their shooting, raping, decapitating, and burning people alive in Israel, before taking over 200 hostages. Where the empathy for these people? And where is the empathy and outrage over the Muslims killed by Muslims in Iran, Syria, Yemen, Lebanon etc?
The difference is that Hamas is labelled by most countries as a terrorist organisation. There's no press outlet in Europe or America saying Hamas is good. They have no public support in Europe or America. And they don't claim being a democracy.
In the most simple terms, people are OBSESSED with Israel. And in other words, no Jews? No news. That’s your answer. Muslims killing Muslims is all fine and dandy, no one has a problem with it, no protests, nothing. Half a million killed just in Syria but it’s fine as Israel wasn’t involved. It’s all 🐂💩. For me the interesting part is why are they obsessed with Israel and I believe it’s because it’s the only Jewish state. I’m not going to spell it out but we all know where this kind of thinking ends up.
Thank you for explaining this. I have friends who watched the same destruction of war in Gaza videos with me but they still believe that Israeil was doing the right thing and unconditionally support Israel no matter what evidence I shared with them.
have you seen the evidences from Israel for you to understand why you have friends who believe that Israel is doing the right thing? Do you know what human values your friends hold? from 1-9: Truth, love/ compassion, success/ efficiency, creativity/ uniqueness, intelligence/ wisdom, loyalty, joy/ happiness, justice, then peace.
But they cannot use surgical attacks? They have to shoot their own to prevent prisoner-taking? We all see evidence for how bad Hamas has been, albeit some believe to different degrees, but we do not see evidence for the reason they carey out such military action as would be justified by Hamas' actions. So let's start there... Just as Saddam Hussein bad, why so much airstrikes and civilian deaths, and why accounts of military committing crimes? Yet the supporters for the Iraq war dropped so much as ISIS replaced the old threat and the new west-backed politicians failed to provide. For even discluding Arab lives we can also worry that this will come back to Israelis, that the engagement wil escalate retaliation or that children bombed may grow up to something more extreme than Hamas, or even that surrounding countries will engage Israel if further excalation happens.
@@gemmalee3032 yes we always share the evidences with each other and almost all the evidences they had were debunked. If you search for the truth, you can easily find them nowadays. I asked also them what would Jesus do if he is around to see what is happening in Gaza and how Israel has been treating Palestinians in Gaza & West Bank all this years. None can give an honest and straight answer without deflecting or making excuses for the Israelis. If you really know Jesus, you will not give those kind of answers. Do you think Jesus is proud of you for supporting the killing of innocent lives? I asked them to be honest with themselves and for the sake of their souls.
"Jesus Christ never murdered any child or adult, because Jesus Christ preached love for neighbor and enemy, and whoever does not follow his word is because he has been seduced by evil."
Powerful video. You're absolutely right about using their own language against them and I think that's where things really changed this year alhamdulillah
Jo. I am 94 have a bit of experience of life and the Second World War.have many Jewish friends and are wonderful peoplei grew up in school and some are from my school days.They are a people less likely to make trouble with anybody.A Jewish friend is a friend for life. Israel has had its patience stretched to the limit with these so called Palestine Arabs who have supported Islamic Hamas terrorists for years. Immigrants have become promoters of trouble in our country and are doing so by taking the piss out of our people.
Very interesting. There is no underestimating the power of words and symbols. I wonder if you would prepare a list of verbal symbols that they respond to most. It would be very useful. Thanks for this video.
@@sacredrider No one is defending Hamas; they’re an extremist, Islamist group that does not represent the majority of Palestinians. What they did was reprehensible and set the cause of the Palestinian people back greatly. If Israel had targeted only Hamas and taken care not to harm innocent civilians, there would not be such an outcry. The fact is that Israel’s right wing government has been supporting Hamas as a way to divide the Palestinian people and lessen support for the more secular PLO based in the West Bank. Netanyahu has been playing the “create your own enemy” game in order to divide and conquer the Palestinians.
Thanks very much. I have been feeling such cognitive dissonance and distress with the mainstream reaction to the assault on Gaza, its like we are living in the upside-down world. This will really help, as I want to understand what is going on with people, who have been getting misinformation for so long, and a story, that they have latched on to. Hard to dislodge, because of the symbols you talk about. So much comes down to psychology.
I think you're missing plenty of things, some claims in this video are false, for example Israel gets no money anymore, it gets credits for weapons and you're seeing Israel as a collective. Regarding the war it's not about lack of empathy or compassion, I never saw anyone giving the reasons you're assigning to them. The problem is that Hamas is an obstacle for peace. Pretty much everyone hates this operation. It's not as if no Israeli dies and most people agree that as few Palestineans as possible should die despite them hating Jews and Israelis, to a point where they celebrate them dying. Which is why plenty of measures are taken for limiting civilian casualties! But the problems right now are Hamas and that there are still hostages. Hamas and Palestinean Islamic Jihad constantly launch rockets towards Israel, of which thousands hit Gaza and always prepares the next attack. In addition to that it oppresses those who are against it. While there are many Palestineans in full support of October 7th, there are also many who can't say what they really think. But many who celebrate it and hate Jews are simply indoctrinated. And where's the empathy for the Jews? No Jew on any campus should live in fear! But on the "anti Israel" protest there are active calls for killing Jews! But "It's depending on the context" wether that's fine or not! How can you defend murdering an innocent person in ANY context? And why are most hate crimes targeting Jews? Where's the empathy for the Israelis? Don't they deserve it too? No one says anything about Ocober 7th or says that it doesn't justify this operation. It's worse than 9/11 for them, because it's a small country and nearly everyone had a connection to those who are affected. 100s of thousands are are also internally displaced. The US started a war lasting over 20 years after 9/11! Most people in Afghanistan don't even hate the USA and were completely innocent civilians! Just as a comparison what another country with a strong military did after such a massive terror attack. Heck the protesters even ask for the expulsion and murder of all Jews from Israel! That's what "Free Palestine" stands for. Where's the empathy? Or aren't Jews deserving that? Regarding the casualties I say that every single death of a more or less innocent person is a tragedy! However we need to see that the number is pure propaganda. It comes from Hamas and on top of that it doesn't differ between legitimate targets and civilians. But at the end of the day the number does not really matter. What matters is that Israel tries to keep it as low as possible! And against all the claims Israel does A LOT for reaching that goal! I mean the Hamas is DISSAPOINTED over the "low amount of casualties" amongst Palestineans! Their goal is to maximize them! But civilians are dying in wars, especially when they are forced to stay in the warzone. That's not unique to Israel. Where's the empathy for all the other wars in the middle east? Where's the empathy for the Kurds? Where's the empathy for the Yazidi? And I think some things are a sign of less, not more, empathy. For example asking for a ceasefire. That would lead to more suffering and death in the long run! Both amongst the Israelis, especially the hostages, but I guess they are mostly Jews, so they don't matter, but also the Palestineans! If Hamas stays, they will keep on being indoctrinated into hateful humans and everyone who doesn't follow will be punished for it! And Hamas will attack again! Israelis will die, but they don't matter and Palestineans will die too! In which way is a ceasefire helping anyone, but Hamas? Regarding the refugees it depends who you're asking. The problem is not the lack of empathy, the problem is that many are not good people. They want to push Islam, which is an incredibly hateful and oppressive ideology, onto us! They are incredibly ungrateful! Not wanting these types of refugees has nothing to do with lack of empathy! And why is there no empathy for the Christians in the middle east? There are regular progroms! Why does no one take those in? Oh and then there are the Jews, but they don't matter and most _were_ already murdered or expelled and had to flee to Israel!
What the US did after 9/11 was not retribution for the twin towers, it was revenge for the fact that Bush Sr. lost the first Iraq war, so Bush Jr. saw an opportunity to avenge his father. And, I bet if you interviewed Afghanis, they would tell you about that trauma of that conflict. There’s no doubt.
This is not about Hamas and the IDF. It's about ordinary people justifying blindly the killing of civilians. Whether they are Palestinian or Israeli. The IDF is going off tracks by targeting and neglecting Israeli hostages, and that should be a red flag for the current government and military strategy.
@@williambarylo I think it's hard to judge this based on one incident. Yes, it's a problem, but we don't know all the details. But it isn't very clear cut, because it happened after a battle. And hesitating in close-quarters combat can cost a fighter his or her life. Regarding "blindly killing civilians" I don't see how that is doctrine. Even if you'd take the Hamas numbers and count every casualty as a civilian you'd end up with less than 1% of the population. A population which is not allowed to flee, both due to the limited space and due to causing trouble in the past. Every Arab country supports Palestineans. From a distance. Egypt could easily save all internally displaced refugees. Did you ever ask yourself why they don't? Regarding the doctrine the opposite is true. Civilians are a reason to _not_ engage and to perform risky operations. Are civilian casualties acceptable? Yes, they are. When the casualties not too high, while the value of the target is high it's normal to attack a target. It sucks, but that's the case for pretty much every military. Did you ever ask yourself why Israel did _not_ bomb Al Shifa? Did you ever ask yourself why they're using Caterpillar D9s instead of just bunker busters? Did you ever ask yourself why they don't carpet bomb? That's why. It's simply not true that Israel targets civilians. Of course it can't be ruled out that war crimes are commited and I saw at least one war crime, which showed lack of discipline (trashing of the store of a Palestinean for no reason), but I don't think you can say that the whole IDF is like that based on this. I mean you don't say that all Palestineans would commit the crimes of October 7th, when given the chance, either. I think too many would, but that's besides the point. However all this is just the Israel portion of the problem. It ignores a lot of misdeeds which are happening in the middle east, for which next to no empathy is shown. It also ignores the situation of the Jews who don't have anything to do with Israel and the fact that even prior to this most hate crimes targeted Jews. I mean there are even college presidents defended, who fail to say that calling for the murder of Jews is "harrassment". No one like that should be defended. No matter wether center, left or right. I think at the end of the day this is an effect of Qatari money though.
What evidence do you have that ‘most hate crimes are committed against Jews?’ Apart from that this is stated by Jewish organisations. The documentary ‘Defamation’ seemed to peel back this assertion.
Thank you for putting into words and for thinking out this concept. The inability of the Pro-Israeli side to empathize with their victims challenged my faith in humanity but by percieving it as merely a dissonance issue and that it us a problem within cognitive processing you are providing a potential tool to drive more productive conversations. Thank you.
If you look at interviews with Israeli politicians, they never really listen to the questions or what is being discussed. They just articulate their own point of view and shout over anyone else disagreeing with them. It's never a true discussion where both sides can rationally make a point. I have witnessed such arguments between narcissistic people who are only interested in winning and not resolving an issue whether its political or personal. And their greatest ploy is to reduce any kind of rationalism to pure emotionalism by employing unsubstantiated allegations, citing unproved atrocities and outright lies to gain the upper hand. Arguing with such people is a waste of time. The worst thing you can do to them is be dismissive and give their arguments no worth.
I had a conversation with a musician claiming I was a Hamas fanboy and belittling the victims as necessary casualties to „help Palestine“ UNTIL he brought up the German term „Schutzstaat“ which translates as a „protectional state“. He said that all of my arguments concerning the war don’t accept the fact that Israel is a „Schutzstaat“. I then told him that if a Schutzstaat could ever exist, it would need to protect ALL its citizens the same way and not deny some people streets, forcing them though checkpoints, deny access to parts of city’s and in the worst cases even food and water. He did not respond to that ever since. So basically yes, I agree. So insane to see that you have to go through this technical talk to make them see the humans behind it but also kind of makes Sense in our western wold that’s profiting so much of colonialism. Bless from Germany
Have you seen any empathy from pro-Palestinian Arab people towards israelis? I assume that you, as a fair and conscientious guy, are constantly and vigorously highlighting and criticizing their delight in the death and, worse, of Israeli civilians. We do not rejoice in the death of any noncombatent. Strive to minimize civilian casualties even at real risk to our troops. This is evidenced by the extraordinarily low collateral damage ratio of under 2:1 compared to all urban warfare examples from the past 50 years, where a ratio of 8:1 or higher is common.
I'm talking about the Euro-American context where some people justify the killing of civilians. The IDF targeting and neglecting Israeli hostages in unacceptable by any standards of war.
1. Are Muslims and Palestinians not using symbols? 2. What happened on Oct 7th? 3. What has HAMAS done for Gaza? 4. What have HAMAS, Gaza, Palestinians have done for the world? Any scientific and cultural contributions? 5. Where did the money for the tunnels and weapons come from? 6. What value do education, humanity, inclusion have in the Muslim Middle East?
The biggest roadblock to people taking responsibility for poor conduct, is getting them to recognise when they have actually gone too far and become the villian. Everyone always see's themselves as the hero, or at least the good guy in their story. Even when they are not.
People around here are entrenched in hatred towards refugees. Especially “Mexicans.” For over 100 years, migrant workers have worked our farms, orchards, vineyards. Mostly Hispanic. Not everyone is unkind. Mom taught their children when she was in college. (1950’s) the US wrecked less powerful countries, established military “bases.” In our name. In the name of Democracy. Promoting fear of socialism, communism. Still, despite our hostility, terrorised, displaced people from these very countries come here hoping for a life of peace. I have sponsored a refugee family in the 1980’s. Tutored another family in English (the Western New York dialect.) The rhetoric is that we are overwhelmed with refugees. Yet we are sparsely populated. Many of us DO have room in our hearts to welcome the dispossessed. Personal interaction with the “other” humanises them. Listening creates understanding, sympathy, and a road to solutions. Worldwide, millions of people are influencing governments and public discourse supporting Palestine, permanent ceasefire, rebuilding people’s lives, and a road to hope. I am ashamed that my government is killing Palestinians. I feel helpless on the sidelines. Yet, I will speak my heart to everyone. My Palestinian flag 🇵🇸 arrived in the mail yesterday. It will be raised on my house, to fly free in the wind! 🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸
Your English is very good and I still haven't been able to understand what the message is. Don't be offended, I don't think you understand geopolitics between Israel and its rivals, much less wars....which is ironic, yes, because your country France was involved in so many wars and colonialism and now you preach to others general Behavior. And that's fine too. Just don't embarrass yourself by trying to explain something you still don't understand.
@@williambarylo It's not a matter of ego, friend, you're in sociology, what knowledge do you have of wars and their geopolitical effects on other enemies who make a situational assessment following them? What other army would have fought differently in the hostile geographical space populated mainly by terrorist infrastructure that was prepared ahead of time in favor of a confrontation and this when the opponent is crazy with a fanatical religious mentality and they are holding 240 hostages from your people? What army would fight with tweezers in this reality?
@@MoSc-m6p I see he doesn’t offer you a considered response. It is probably because he doesn’t have one except that the only rational response is to do what Israel is doing. All the people who decry Israel in this war soon fall silent when asked what they’d do. All mouth and no brain.
Thank you so much Dr. Barylo, this is very helpful for understanding the mindset. I am shocked to hear about holocaust survivors coming to Israel only to be abused and have garbage thrown at them by Israelis. Why do they disrespect them like this?
There is nothing extraordinary about the casuality rates in this war civilians typically die at 10 times the rate as combatants and Gaza is densely populated. That is not what genocide is.
So Israel is a coloniser? That’s what you’re trying to say? Don’t all colonisers have a home base, you need a home to send out a colony from, right. Where did the Jews originate from again?
Each of those questions could be its own video. I hope you do more to explain some of them that would help break down the conversation and expose their presuppositions. The break down that would make them realize that israel is commiting mass murder, unacceptable injustices and genocide.
Israel and Zionism were not accepted by most of the Jewish population since 1897 when it started because Jews felt Zionism was antithetical to good Jewish values. Clearly nothing’s changed. Zionism is racist fascist genocidal and has no morals or values. There are still many Jews who are sickened by their brutal, sadistic behaviour.
I think the figures speak by themselves, the international condemnations, academic papers, etc... I think there are people doing this better than what I could do such as Ilan Pappe, Norman Finkelstein, etc, as they can actually play with these symbols!
Actually that's perhaps why you have Jewish and Christian people in pro-Palestinian demonstrations. They understand that the problem is Israel's current policies have been causing more harm than Hamas which has been labelled a terrorist organisation
Jewish people already have self determination - why is this even a question? It's like Israel harping on about not being recognized as a state by Palestinians. Israel is already a state and they deny Palestine legal status. It's the most absurd level of hypocrisy possible.
Thank you. I also feel it is of no use to keep harping on about statistics - this many killed, that number of hospitals bombed. Nor the playing on heart strings of the children angle. The heart strings are not readily available to pull. Cliches dull the possibility of response. Few words. Analogies. They work more powerfully. And yes - using the Israeli supporters own terms of validation.
So you came to the conclusion that dehumanisation occurs during armed conflict. Your piece was juvenile emotive ideological salad. Just have some dignity and own the fact that you view the Jews as uniquely evil based on your own beliefs.
What you're describing is good old-fashioned herd mentality. People will naturally conform to the majority opinion, which in turn is heavily directed by whatever the dominant class dictates. There is also considerable safety in conformity. If or when the interests of the dominant class requires a change of mass opinion, the people will change their opinions accordingly. Despite the worldwide protests and outpouring of criticism of Israel's actions and policies, the majority opinion, particularly in the US-dominated West, is pro-Israel and views all Palestinians primarily as terrorists. This is why I believe that the current slaughter in Gaza will just blow over and become the 'new normal'. It's simply not in the US interest to let go of Israel, as it's too strategically important. The Western media (the megaphone of US hegemony) is already losing interest. I can't remember the last time I saw a Gaza story on the front pages. Weeks ago, it was a major talking point at social events I attended. Now, it's never even mentioned.
Very well put! Helps to explain the way Israeli's talk with such intensity of the death of one of their people, or their children while ignoring the death of thousands of Palestinian people including thousands of children, that seemingly don't matter so much as the death of Israelis😢!
You arent wrong, but it isnt that symbols matter to them, it is that they were raised to be jewish/narcissistic (same thing). The symbols you mention are how they view themselves/their self image/tribal identity, and that is all that matters to a narcissist. They care about them and theirs, but could care less about the rest of humanity.
“When peace comes we will perhaps in time be able to forgive the Arabs for killing our sons, but it will be harder for us to forgive them for having forced us to kill their sons. Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us.” - Golda Meir There's a difference between not empathizing ad not letting social media direct the course of events.
@@billiamc1969 She was born in Ukraine and not in the british mandate, and grew up in Milwaukee. Why all the love for colonialist terminology anyway? Why not call the land Judea? Or even Anatolia?
These guys wield empathy the way the terrorists they stand behind wield guns. If we resist their death cult we must lack empathy. I do lack empathy to their cause, we all should. Nobody should empathize with evil.
@@billiamc1969 yes she was a Jewish Palestinian just as there were Jewish and Arab Palestinians living under British mandate. They were called Palestinians because of the land they lived on, not because they were of a Palestinian race.
@@yelowpunk Arafat, who invented the Palestinians, was an Egyptian. Didn’t stop him for being a terrorist, PLO leader and blowing up aircraft. Are we done with off point topics now?
Regarding the Holocaust survivor's families who are insulted and thrown garbage at, I have this information first hand from prof Ilan Greilsammer (Bar Ilan university, Tel Aviv).
I did some digging to find if there was anything in the press or else. After the war, Holocaust survivors and their families were deemed "weak Jews" to be laughed at by the diaspora, people who didn't do enough to resist at times where Israel was seen as (again, a symbol) the embodiement of strength. This culture has been perpetrated with the younger generations until this day, as Prof Greilsammer mentioned in a lecture that they are called "soaps" and suffer other kinds of abuse.
Here is a list of interesting resources:
THE SECRET SUFFERING OF ISRAEL'S HOLOCAUST SURVIVORS, Washington post
www.washingtonpost.com/archive/lifestyle/1993/04/23/the-secret-suffering-of-israels-holocaust-survivors/82c1a7ba-3233-4351-b4b8-f7387e291335/
The Seventh Million: The Israelis and the Holocaust by Tom Segev
us.macmillan.com/books/9780805066609/theseventhmillion
An adaptation of the book I found on TH-cam:
th-cam.com/video/sn_Bhe4BCws/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=BennyBrunner
Also, how the State of Israel abuses holocaust survivors:
www.tabletmag.com/sections/israel-middle-east/articles/israel-abuses-holocaust-survivors
And how the state perceives Holocaust survivors are a financial burden:
www.haaretz.com/opinion/2013-02-06/ty-article/.premium/amos-rubin-waiting-for-shoah-survivors-to-die/0000017f-f969-d460-afff-fb6ff8540000
www.jpost.com/opinion/article-729069
And one last thing: if you justify the killing of women and children as necessary or unavoidable, or the hitting of Israeli citizens by negligence, you're no better than terrorists. But thank you for boosting my engagement rates. Every hate comment reshares this video 10 times with the algorithm.
Yes I've heard this before, on history programmes long time ago, that Jews coming from Europe post WW11 , who survived the camps, were often treated with disgust, and told things like, why didn't you fight back...no empathy!?
... I have listened to a part from professor Ilan Greislamer's lecture (the only part I could find was about settlers and the ultra Orthodox, unfortunately i couldn't find his remarks about the holocaust). I found it interesting, can't say I agree about the notion that settlers remind Israelis of the Israeli pioneers (maybe settlers tell it to themselves?). I personally attribute the "tolerance" of the Israeli public towards them to a misunderstanding on his part. Meaning, the public at large doesn't really like the whole settler movement, the largest party in Israel has a primaries system, therefore it is risky politically to go against the movement (and so the politicians rarely do).
In terms of the holocaust I think what is conflated here is what was the attitude towards the survivors at the beginning and what is the attitude towards them now (I heard there was something like that, though I am too young to have experienced it).
I find it hard to believe the attitude towards those who survived was different than it is now (but of course it could have been).
Nowadays, I think most people think that the survivors have gone through horrors unimaginable to any of us, and therefore they are respected.
There is such a wide consensus about it many politicians pride themselves on helping them more than the others (being most of them are very old, the sums of money diverted into that cause get lower with time...).
As for Haaretz, since there is free speech in Israel, they can publish whatever they want, and they do (if they outright lie they can be sued, but usually they find a way to legally mislead). Sometimes the titles are misleading, sometimes they base their op eds on imagined Palestinians (meaning the international polls and the research say one thing, they base it on the opposite). Their articles are used in NYT iirc. They are considered ultra left leaning in Israel (meaning most Israelis can't handle the pro Palestinian, at times pro hamas bias the paper has). This is not to say they are necessarily bad, just to say that when people quote Haaretz as an Israeli paper, most Israelis find it odd, it is probably considered more of anti Israeli paper...
@meirm471 There are Holocaust survivors that aren't old? That's bizarre. You know it was 80 years ago, right?
@@titanomachy2217 , noted, you're right, they are considered old...
I have no idea why i see your comment here, but cannot see it in the thread itself...
Either way, thanks for the correction...
@titanomachy2217 He said holocaust survivors families. There are a few survivors left, in their 80s or 90s, some people live that long. There are families of those survivors, children grandchildren...?
My father told me, about 50 years ago, that I was a “self hating Jew” when I said that Palestinians deserve human rights too.”. He was propagandized to dehumanize Palestinians way back then because their dehumanization was, and is, necessary for the settler colonialist project, still underway. Zionists would say “it was empty land and the Israelis made the desert bloom” sort of thing.
@nancymathisen9707
Jews with no homeland, no nationstate,
are weak and 'generally' have to assimilate.
And Jews can assimilate incredibly well.
Alternatively, Jews with a homeland are strong and independent.
They thrust their unapologetic Jewishness in your face.
Non-jews tend to prefer the weak and assimilated variety.
Unfortunately many Western Jews who've accepted weakness and assimilation.
Are annoyed at being confused with those having a strength of conviction in who they are.
To not be 'purely self interested individuals' …but belong,
and want to fight for a homeland.
And how scary that can be,
for those that had to always defend themselves alone.
It is a great internal embarrassment at their inauthenticity,
and an even larger outer embarrassment... with being ‘even remotely',
associated with Jews that own 'authenticity' outright.
The 'weak' are then wheedled into the media spotlight by progressives,
to validate that Israel is a fascist oppressor.
The timid and afraid, being told to oust those with strength,
is as old as time itself.
They teach PhD's that in America.
Your not a self hating Jew that is the most absurd lie I've ever heard, in the West they come up with words and Buzz words to section and divide people your this or that to define people. If you dont fall inline with their thinking you are classed as XYZ... You what you said was very forward and progressive thinking that most people in your time wouldn't accept. Well done your a brave person God bless you and those who speak out. I think it's safe to say Palestinians want what everybody else wants... to go to school, have a business, have a normal life... become a sports person, Dr, Poet and etc etc. The guy in this video is right they use symbolism to define... PM Benjamin called the children of Gaza as evil and dark and Israeli children as light... so what kind of picture comes up in your subconscious mind?
@@lenwilkinson672there are absolutely indigenous Palestinians who are the closest living relatives to their common ancestors
@@lenwilkinson672 repeating a Zionist fib.
In 1982 I am a Christian travelling around India with a bunch of Armenians and a Palestinian. I loved the times we spent together. It was hard for the Iranian Armenians as the Ayatollah was making life hard for them. And the Palestinian was nervous about things going bad for his people.
Before the Palestinian left to defend his people back home we had a big argument where he ended with “You know nothing!!”…and he was right. I came from a background of being defensive towards the Jew and their prior traumas.
I am still a Christian 41 years later. Now I look at Matthew 5,1-12 and wonder how Israel could lose itself so terribly. The empathy towards these Muslim brothers and sisters that are sacred souls before them is lost in their blindness.
A Jewish Rabbi leader came out with the same above comment about Israel, and how they have forgotten and lost the path to humanity and God.
I wish I could go back 41 years to that Palestinian and hug him, call him brother, and say Yes, you are right.
Jews been ethnically cleansed from every muslim arab country and from europe... we read about this going on for thousands of years.. the Palestinians who are equally banned from arab countries are armed by the very people who hate them.. to be an army against the jew. Billions sent to a small strip of land.. enough to make them all kings, they spend it all on missiles and tunnels and elect terrorist to run government... how is that not the truth?
Thank you, for that story.
My friend yes I do not condone human abuse towar palestenian civilians from the Israel security forces. But I surely can understand why they are wary of palestenian since they were dealing for 75 years of war and terrorism. All of them took them of guards including October 7 attack from Hamas, and any step to prevent or taking out future terrorist in their mind is justify,vas many palestenian believe that terrorism is a form of resistance. Yes any civilian death is a disgrace but you also have to see the total context in order to understand who the real culprit is. The only example in the USA that I can relate what is happening in Gaza is the kike Rittenhouse cases that yes he killed two person but it was in selves defense and the mob narrative find him guilty without even consider the context on why it happens, and as the court stated it was a case of self defense that the three person shots were the one who initiated the attack on him. And likewise Hamas provoked the israelíes lure the to attack them, and setting the civilian to be bombed by the israelíes, by setting their missiles launchers, weapon deposits and command center within or under those civilians infraestructures. Yes Israel pulled the trigger but it was Hamas that provoked Israelis and the one that put the civilian Infront of israelíes bombs...
I too am a Christ follower who had an Evangelical background. I sensed God leading me to love my Muslim neighbors and I regularly joined them in prayer for 6 years. I made friends from Palestine, Jordan, and Egypt and other Christians who were troubled by the horrendous mistreatment of Palestinian Muslims and Christians. They demonstrate a far greater patience, and calm courage than almost any of my fellow Americans. That so many who claim (I believe falsely) to follow Jesus are seemingly entirely devoid of empathy is sickening.
@@jamesj9998 ok. Do you consider what Hamas did on October 7 a hate crime and terroism?
Dr, what you are saying is absolutely true. Thank you for articulating it well. For a blind supporter of israel, it won’t make a difference if 1 innocent Palestinian is killed or 20,000 are killed. They are just numb to it.
75% Palestinian support the atrocious slaughter on October 7th, it's not easy to say they are innocent. They are blood thirsty cult followers. They are taught to hate Jews, to demonize Jews, to kill Jews. So don't be naive stupid.
It won't make a difference for a 'blind' supporter of anything, since they're blind.
However, I am a staunch supporter of Israel and it definitely does break my heart that so many Palestinians are killed.
This isn’t true. Many Israel supporters want to support Palestinians too. It can’t be either or. That is the extremist views that are presented constantly on social media.
@@urikaynan1392what hypocrisy is this? Breaks your heart, but you still gotta support that evil huh.
@@hannadavis6867 that's like saying the vaccine killed people during the pandemic so it must be evil!
More deaths are being prevented, but there are many deaths which is an unfortunate reality when fighting a terror group who hide behind civilians.
"The biggest insult to the memory of the holocaust is not denying it but using it as an excuse to justify the genocide of the Palestinian people."
- Norman Finkelstein
Why did so many "death camps" have nurseries, theatres, bee keeping and soccer clubs, swimming pools etc? Why do all claimed survivors have 5 digit tattoos. wouldnt the first 100k people in a death camp die if there was apparently millions turned into dust. since ground penetrating radar has never found the claimed graves.
In Quran and The Bible it's clear that Jesus is in heaven. But when it comes to Mohammed it's unknown what happened to him after death. So if he is in hell whoever believes him and his religion are going to hell...right. Think Muslims...
@@Jesus_SOG_what the hell are you talking about
@@Jesus_SOG_ Isa (Jesus) Peace be upon him is alive, he didn't die and is in the heavens waiting for his time to return to Earth to defeat Dajjal (AntiChrist). Muhammad peace be upon him will be the first person to enter heavens on the Day of Judgement. Please don't create false narratives and if you have any misconceptions clear them by asking questions to learn and not to mock or slander.
@@pavelp9887 how so?
“I was called a terrorist yesterday, but when I came out of jail, many people embraced me, including my enemies, and that is what I tell other people who say those who are struggling for liberation in their country are terrorists.”
- Nelson Mandela
yet look at his legacy of a failed state. lolol noice the failures of a man mean nothing cause he said good words.
@@joshmiller9783 a failed stete that runs by their own people..i dont see whats wrong with that!!yall miller names(westrn i mean)inslave them for centurythief their source yes they diamond that make another miller in newyork rich,banned them for develope their knowledge,banned them from civilization and human right
And how long do they get this freefom 1990..30 years is a young nation,the things is you with your westrn name and weatrn idealogy need to f off from their land!!
Mandela died in prison, his double was a symbol. See Jo Biden mask problems.
Sorry Nelson Mandela and Hamas are not the same.... He did not hide in another country whilst civilians were in harms way, accumulate wealth whilst civilians are deprived, create tunnels to keep himself safe whilst civilians are left unshielded, dig out plumbing pipes to make weapons and leave civilians dependent for basic needs like water...
@@joshmiller9783 You probably have no idea just how stupid your comment is.
Well spoken - but to those of us who have been following this conflict for over 40 years, this is nothing new. Israel as a nation suffers from collective psychopathy.
WOW. Are you really qualified to diagnose millions of people without even having any familiarity with any of them? I’m sure you’re not, but you’re clearly belong to the category of people who think that they know a lot about things they’re talking about. Let me assure you - you know nothing! And this isn’t a diagnosis, just statement of fact.
Well that's what centuries of trauma induced by persecution and ethnic cleansing does to ya
But that doesn’t mean we have to be okay with them committing genocide
@@thebohaji40 definitely not
@@TheConquest88the. They need therapy, not land.
The propaganda is that strong especially when virtually the entire establishment combining political, media, and the dispensationalist Christian church all plays a huge part. Its creates a kneejerk emotional response that just cant cut through on certain people
indeed!
Absolutely on point and well said. It def doesn't help when the political class is comprised of Darbian Dispensationalists.
@@snakejuceon the bright side, the presence of social media giving an alternative to these hegemonic forces has been a game changer. I can't imagine how bad and deafening the silence would be currently to these atrocities if there was no social media. We used to have the underground press, but I'm not sure the reach would have been quite as potent as modern day social media
Indeed. Which is why it is almost at the point that everything they say can be seen as a half-truth or a lie (and neither worth lending an ear to). The only proper response will either be (mocking) laughter or a cold, flat "I do not believe you.".
@@williambarylo those symbols are strong among Trump supporters, people like Tulsi Gabbard for exemple.
I believe that the fear of muslims 'taking over' comes from how Christians literally did take over North America and Australia etc. However in comparison muslims ruled Spain and India for centuries and we can see how the people, religion, languages and cultures of those lands have survived.
Sorry I think the fear of Muslims "taking over" as you state it has come from themselves...They say they want to create Islamic states in the west, just look on TH-cam you will find the videos, nothing to do with Christianity let's not project...
Interesting! They fear that what they did to others will happen to them!
because they were kicked out....... lol
@@wtrujillo9250 I did say 'centuries' please look it up to confirm
This is very true. That is why they have fear of the other. It’s really a projection. That is exactly what I tell people about other countries. Their history, language and culture survived then they tell me not true lol. The ones whose ancient culture that has been lost were obviously invaded and demolished. It’s very weird. How some people pretend not to see it and this is clearly what's going on with Palestine the only differences is its being televised in real time.
I broke my heart this morning broke down just before leaving for a Palestine rally the sheer evil being committed is beyond my scope of understanding. This is genocide.
Unfathomable.
I feel you…
The reason there is hope for humanity is hundreds of millions of people feel the exact same way and they are expressing those feelings powerfully for the whole world to see. People are not sleepwalking into a genocide this time. We have a chance for things to turn out differently this turning of the cycle.
It isnt hard to understand. Gazas government targets women and children. Then they surround themselfs with women and children journalists you know in hospitals and schools and apartments. Isreal hits back at Hamas Targets and generally doesnt give a fuck if Civilians stay in the area. Both side are wrong
My heart broke 710 when i saw Palestinians in the street celebrating rape, torture, murder and abduction of innocent Israeli's. And then the pro-palestinian protesters starting marching for palestine 3 weeks before iarael responded militarily - and contnuously warning people to move away from bombing zones.
You people who believe and share hamas-provided civilian death numbers, and propaganda videos of dead children in Syria and say its Israel. And all the other bullshit you share...youre all FKD. Brainwashed or stupid.
This has blown my mind. I've been so despondent seeing how even liberal-minded people I know can be so pro-Israel despite the clear fascism of that regime. You've hit the nail on the head.
You know they are the worst. I am writing to you from Germany and could get mad from this educatet people who think they are so right by standing with Israel.
You just found out the liberals on everything but ISRAEL.
I’m pro Palestinian because I’m also pro Israel. I want Israel to exist as a haven for Jewish people; but that can only occur when they make peace with the Palestinians and surrounding Arab nations. As long as Israel remains an ethnonationaliat state that excludes the rights of non-Jews, it will always be in a de facto state of war; and no nation can remain at war for its entire existence.
@@keirfarnum6811 Spot on.
@@keirfarnum6811 "no nation can remain at war for its entire existence." Especially when their entire existence depends on the good graces of allies and their actions risk alienating those allies.
Unfortunately questioning the imagery doesn't work either. They either deny that it is happening, or they become apologists for it and claim that the situation is just so difficult and it's not their fault anyway, it's the other side's fault. I despair of getting through to people.
It won't work for them, definitely. But you've got people for whom something could click. I was pro-Israeli before thanks to school and my parents believing all Muslims are terrorists
It's the dark side of science. You have countless people researching the human condition for countless years, which is used by faceless think-tanks to act like rudders of public perception. The war on terror and it's narrative was easy to see through if you looked outside of the narrative, eg claims that the talliban were getting farmers to grow opium, despite being commended for stopping it before 9-11
It also has to do with the inability to have Cognitive Empathy. Most people in North America have never had to endure the atrocities of war. They watch alot of violence on TV, play violent video games, and are decensitised. They subconsciously believe, you can just hit the start button, and keep playing, or just turn the game off, and carry on with life.
also it is ability of woke cult to have a cognitvie disonance. Gays for gaza geniouses
correct
Cognitive empathy is also called cold empathy because it comes from pure cognition with no emotion involved.
Look things up before you spout.
@@TrinityShining go pound sand, I think maybe you should look it up before you spout off, and make yourself sound like a tool.
@@howard5536 cognitive empathy is about the mind, not the emotions - you're saying that people who support Israel are only doing so because they're dumb?
You idiot!
Shout it from the rooftops! Queers for Palestiaaaaaaaaaaah *splat*
This is an EXCELLENT break down that I’ve been trying to figure out the answer to. I have so many jewish friends who are otherwise the most empathetic people when it comes to oppressed groups, but when it comes to Palestinians, any empathy goes right out the window. I greatly appreciate you making this video, this will be helpful in helping me shape arguments that I’m confident will reach at least some of them.
You are assuming that Palestinians are oppressed - rather than victims of their own poor judgement and criminal leadership. A Palestinian state has been offered them time and time again - from 1947 on, and their refusal to recognize the Jewish people's right (recognized by the League of Nations, UN and every real democracy on earth) to live in peace in their own state and their choice to choose violence and terrorism has prevented them from having one.
@nahumschnitzer26 you're disingenuous and wrong. One, no one had the right to give away a land that was already inhabited, let alone White Supremacist Anglo-Euro Christendom. But it makes sense why Zionist supremacy aligned with those racists.
Two, the 5 times a so-called state was offered, it was egregiously inhumane. The Palestinians were to be made permanent non-sovereign entities of their own state with Israel effectively controlling it.
You are ignorant on an important matter and for that, you are accepting a genocide.
@nahumschnitzer26 what kind of peaceful people kill thousands of children? What kind of only state of Jews wants to persecute Jews for speaking out against the government? What kind of peaceful people cannot accept the International Communities collective peace treaties based on International Law that Isra el rejects every year? Stop victimising yourself. Its about time that the world realised what the state of Isra el really is: a zionist yt supremacist apartheid state.
@@dumsaint And this is exactly what the League of Nations, the forerunner to the UN did. It allocated the overwhelming majority of the Mideast to Arabs to satisfy their national aims, and a tiny area which was the ancestral Jewish homeland and always had a Jewish presence as the Jewish National Home. How many Arab and Muslim countries are there in the world? And how many Jewish states? How large is the land mass of Israel?
@@nahumschnitzer26Perfect example of what the op was describing. Thanks for the illustration 👍🏽
"Never argue with and idiot, they will just drag you down to their level and beat you with experience".
lol well said!
"An idiot is someone who is so good at explaining something he doesn't understand."
Unlikely to work in my opinion unfortunately. Even if you speak their language, it's very difficult to crack confirmation bias. They believe what they want to believe. Give them 9 truths against them and they'll scrutinize and deny it, but give them 1 lie that glorifies them and they'll happily gobble it up without question.
Yes, but Israel succeeds, and in just a month or two from now, Palestine is an empty, desolate and destroyed place, no one can deny that a genocide did not occur there.
The sad thing is they'll say the genocide was justified regardless
You won't change them. You may stop them in their tracks for a second. But small clicks add up on the long term. Empires fall because of cracks on the inside.
@@asefrahman4049the world has seen the truth, nobody believes their BS.
This is a very interesting video because I have been thinking the same thing myself.
How is it that the same people, who have cynically exploited the empathy of European peoples with regard to their own suffering, are incapable of feeling any empathy themselves ?
what do you mean cynically exploited?
@@mukzito justify ethnic cleansing of Palestinians in the years leading to 1948 and beyond
Have you ever talked to an Israeli? Hi, I think I'm pretty empathetic, talk to me, ask me anything.
@@Asdfgfdmn hey propaganda spreader. ethnic cleansing is something very specific. don't use emotion laden words to get sympathy for muslims who committed a massacre on october 7. quote
"Ethnic cleansing, on the other hand, only refers to the expulsion of a group from a certain area.
Ethnic cleansing has not been defined and is not recognized as a crime under international law, according to the U.N. And in reality, the lines between ethnic cleansing and genocide are often blurred.
“Your motivation may be that you want the people out, but if in doing that you intend to destroy the group, then it’s also genocide,” said James Silk, a human rights professor at Yale Law School." end quote.
so palestinians are ethnic cleansers and genocidal.
@@Asdfgfdmn no what is cynical about talking about concentration camps and holocaust experiences.
If a person is too arrogant and self absorbed and self aggrandizing everybody else is reduced to being inferior and disposable. There is also a paranoid tendency to perceive threats where there are none such as Jewish schools in London closing due to alleged antisemitic threats when none were actually occurring although people might have been angry against what Israel was doing to the Palestinians
"dr" william Barylo... you are a cheap man.... a flaw in God's work far more injurous than any perception homosexual... you have backed islam and palestine... who have whored the name of God such as to shoot rockets at your neighbors for 60 years and falsified the value of throwing Gays off of rooves in gaza... you are ... the epitome of cheap and coward... you have brought sham upon God... and you have tempted the children of the USA.. the only people in existence who could salvage anyone you could have loved even in theory... from your own cheap, whored, cowardice.... to join you in failing all you could have loved in life... .this is who you have become.
you will take this knowledge into death..... instead of trying to find solutions... .. true solutions.. .. you backed men who trained their sons to grab a baby by the ankles in front of his parents.. and swing its head against the floor until it was dead..... .. this.. is what all of islam gauarantees mankind... it is the whore of the mason's lodge... . the evil... of every rich and careless spoiled person..... you .... have allowed your life.. to represent the breath of mystery the whore... who would kill any one of God's babies... that way
you have no place here
When you take G-d out of Judaism and replace it with the Golden Calf of Ethnonationalism, it becomes a Master Race ideology only distinguishable from the German Nazis in that they had to steal land to ethnically cleanse of the üntermenchen (goyim in Yiddish).
For one who feels they are a master race, anyone who does not recognize their ethnic superiority is an existential threat to them.
For a narcissist, any criticism of anything they do is perceived as a threat.
A big, big thank you for these explanations. I think it’s really very helpful. It’s frustrating when you talk to people about this sensitive issue and you feel you’re not on the same level but you cannot figure out how to communicate efficiently in order to reach the other one.
You Will never communicatie with Israëls as they are Born without empathy for anyone except them.
I was born in Zambia and grew up in apartheid 70s South Africa. I had to learn and then unlearn when I grew up laterin the uk.
But the herd mentality is strong😢
Growing up in the 70s in South Africa is nothing in comparison in the 50s&60 s in South Africa.from the 70 s it became relatively easier and the mindset gradually took a different direction for the better
@@maureenflovers7952 no it didn't. It took till the 90 s to start easing.
The 80s were explosive
You unlearn, but Elon Musk has failed to unlearn
@@peetsnort if you guy are older than 60 then you are legal to talk about racism in South Africa otherwise don't rely on second stories
it is herd mentality, but of the rulers and their police
‘Smashing the idols‘ perfect description. People are so drunk on their idols that they don’t even realize it. From a religious standpoint christians and jews who support the oppression must seriously question themselves if they even serve God or only their idols.
Those cheering on the Human Sacrifice being offered to the Golden Calf of Ethnonationalism are neither Christian or Jewish, but Moloch worshipping Amalekites.
Christians that support an anti-Christ state are very strange.
Excellent analysis, it explains quite a lot and honestly is a lightbulb moment for me. Thank you.
Thank you! Glad it helps!
You first need a brain that can light up to have an alightbulb moment..you're just brainwashed.
To me this is far more enlightening:
A Palestinian Speech at UN
th-cam.com/video/pjOEJumoABg/w-d-xo.htmlsi=iYaBeY6g5zIXHKSb
‘Woke West’ pouring billions of dollars into pro-Palestine movement
th-cam.com/video/Nujv9pj1X8w/w-d-xo.htmlsi=rB5WX56NfeqXbSYr
Here is why:
Promised land and land borders:
Genesis 12:1-3
The Lord had said to Abram, “Go from your country, your people and your father’s family. Go to the land I will show you.
“I will make you into a great nation, and I will bless you; I will make your name great, and you will be a blessing.
I will bless those who bless you, and whoever curses you I will curse; and all peoples on earth will be blessed through you.”
Genesis 15: 18-21
18 On that day the Lord made a covenant with Abram and said, “To your descendants I give this land, from the Wadi of Egypt to the great river, the Euphrates- 19 the land of the Kenites, Kenizzites, Kadmonites, 20 Hittites, Perizzites, Rephaites, 21 Amorites, Canaanites, Girgashites and Jebusites.”
Genesis 26:2-5 (promise to Isaac son of Abraham)
2 The Lord appeared to Isaac and said, “Do not go down to Egypt; live in the land where I tell you to live.
3 Stay in this land for a while, and I will be with you and will bless you. For to you and your descendants I will give all these lands and will confirm the oath I swore to your father Abraham.
4 I will make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and will give them all these lands, and through your offspring all nations on earth will be blessed,
5 because Abraham obeyed me and did everything I required of him, keeping my commands, my decrees and my instructions.”
Genesis 28:13 (Promise to Jacob son of Isaac)
“There above it stood the Lord, and he said: “I am the Lord, the God of your father Abraham and the God of Isaac. I will give you and your descendants the land on which you are lying.”
Exodus 23:31- God talking to Moses
27 “I will send my terror ahead of you and throw into confusion every nation you encounter. I will make all your enemies turn their backs and run. 28 I will send the hornet ahead of you to drive the Hivites, Canaanites and Hittites out of your way. 29 But I will not drive them out in a single year, because the land would become desolate and the wild animals too numerous for you. 30 Little by little I will drive them out before you, until you have increased enough to take possession of the land.
31 “ I will establish your borders from the Red Sea to the Mediterranean Sea, and from the desert to the Euphrates River. I will give into your hands the people who live in the land, and you will drive them out before you. 32 Do not make a covenant with them or with their gods. 33 Do not let them live in your land or they will cause you to sin against me, because the worship of their gods will certainly be a snare to you.”
Deuteronomy 11:24
Every place where you set your foot will be yours: Your territory will extend from the desert to Lebanon, and from the Euphrates River to the Mediterranean Sea.
Calls for Genocide:
Ezekiel 9:6
Slaughter the old men, the young men and women, the mothers and children, but do not touch anyone who has the mark. Begin at my sanctuary.” So they began with the old men who were in front of the temple
Jeremiah 48:10
A curse on anyone who is lax in doing the LORD’s work! A curse on anyone who keeps their sword from bloodshed!
Joshua 11:10-12
10 At that time Joshua turned back and captured Hazor and put its king to the sword. (Hazor had been the head of all these kingdoms.) 11 Everyone in it they put to the sword. They totally destroyed them, not sparing anyone that breathed, and he burned Hazor itself.
12 Joshua took all these royal cities and their kings and put them to the sword. He totally destroyed them, as Moses the servant of the Lord had commanded.
Ezekiel 9:5-7
“ 5 As I listened, he said to the others, “Follow him through the city and kill, without showing pity or compassion. 6 Slaughter the old men, the young men and women, the mothers and children, but do not touch anyone who has the mark. Begin at my sanctuary.” So they began with the old men who were in front of the temple.
7 Then he said to them, “Defile the temple and fill the courts with the slain. Go!” So they went out and began killing throughout the city. “
This is such a great analysis honestly. I've been struggling to understand where their obsessions come from, as I'm not a supremacist, I am "able to have empathy" towards any oppressed human being, which is not the case for many other people as we can see today. But even my realization of this wasn't enough for me to understand their brain working. Thank you so much.
They are narcissists and if you try to be empathetic they will just gaslight you....
“That’s Antisemitic!!!”
Let's say, they feel above humankind, as better than the rest of the world.
indeed
its crazy how they try justify their country's crimes@@williambarylo
They literally say Christians should worship every Jew..
The holocaust wasn't done by. Gas, - it was done by arrogance. J Bronowski
When ever any tribes ego grows to the extent that they are allowed to y feel "superior" to the rest - then atrocities are bound to result.
It may be the arrogance of "God's chosen people" or "American exceptionalism" ( which is responsible for the murder of many millions of civilians in the last 50 years) or some other obscene arrogance.
The way to prevent this is a liberal and secular education where individual autonomy and mutual tolerance are promoted, although of course these are not without limits.
Thanks for putting this in the clearest possible words.
We all understand what's going on, and you've given that understanding a definite shape.
thank you much appreciated!
Excellent job, and very informative. Thank you for taking the time to make this video. Helped to give me a better understanding of why someone people may be acting this way, but not all. I think that for some of them this is just how they truly are, showing their true colors. So sick and sad.
I am a jew from the US and you said something really troubling in this video that i didnt know about and still dont understand - you talked about holocaust survivors being insulted inside israel and israeli people throwing garbage at them! Can you elaborate on that? What do you mean?
I believe you, i just don’t know if i fully understand.
Other than that confusion, I appreciate your analysis. Its been so disheartening and honestly traumatizing watching people looking at these unbearable images and stories, and words coming out of gaza and the rest of Palestine and seeing people who i thought i knew…not caring. Its like looking into a black hole. Cold and empty.
Edit: i recently watched your video about how to talk about Palestine, and you answered the question.
It's in the Israel. I saw video on tiktok a little clips from a documentary or something. The Holocaust survivor taking vegetables that were thrown from the market to eat. Something like that. I'm not really sure but you can google it.
In Isreal many orthodox Jews are bashed by z1on1sts because they don't believe in Isreal.. Jewish men continue to say that Judaism and z1on1sm is incompatible because Judaism believes Jews were exiled from the land and await their messiah, while z1on1sts don't agree with them and try to silence them.. Jews standing for a cease fire or even a 2 state proposal are criticised.. like we see how Isreal tries to silence anyone who has any single criticism for Isreals actions, they do this to Jews aswell.. there's plenty of videos on here of orthodox Jews standing against Isreal and z1on1sm and even Isrealis standing against Isreal for their actions towards Palestinians..
The 700.000 ilegal settlers are invaders, robbers and killers
When Jewish people came home after surviving concentration camps they were often not welcomed, if fact they were treated very badly because antisemitism still existed. It was very cruel.
Holocaust survivors were kidnapped by Hamas on Oct. 7.
There's also many whose careers and incomes depend on having a pro_Israeli stance and they've weighed the metrics between their own security versus the security of some people far away they never met. They decided their own ends are more important.
very true
Another deeply anisemetic view. While there is truth to this, the automatic reaction I hear of pro hamas or pro Palestinian supporters saying the only possible reason to ever support or understand the plight Jewish people for the past 2000 years would ONLY be because of financial gain or security. Not because we too are part of humanity trying to survive in this world
@@alana523anti-genocide is not anti-semetic
@@down-to-earth-mystery-school 100% I don’t agree with genocide of innocent people or any other unjust untenable living conditions of innocent Palestinians that has resulted from 100years of conflict but Hamas Palestinian resistance movement is not looking to share land peacefully their intent happens to be genocide of jews worldwide. They say this in their original charter and say this plainly. What we see now is PR rebranding as a Marxist movement disseminated by Tiktok gen z. Yes, Palestinians have a right to the land. They do not have the right to 100% of the land where Jews have always and will always hopefully exist there.
"many whose careers and incomes depend" is an arrow aimed at all opportunistic humans who would rather not be awakened from their invincible ignorance. It's a human shortcoming, the only "race" we need to include is the human one.
Very smart video. I have been engaging with my friend for the last 3 months on this issue. No facts or evidence will get through. He will continually re adjust his position to accommodate for Israel’s latest transgressions.
I will try some of this.
You won't change his mind... but something might click
The only democracy in the ME has slau gh tered nearly 20k people 😭
Being a democracy doesn't prevent one from committing crimes, just like the US
@@williambarylostill being a totalitarian system guarantees your committing crimes on enormous scale unthinkable for any democracy. The same goes with theocracy and authoritarian governments. How many people died in war between Iraq and Iran? What was it about?
Democracies don't keep the majority population in concentration camps, stripped of any representation.
The only Apartheid in the Middle East is a logical statement.
Syria is a democratic country.
Iran is a democratic country.
Lebanon is a democratic country.
JSIL is an Apartheid terrorist entity, with its Irgun Diaper Forces. It has no more legitimacy than its protoge ISIL.
How many has The Islamic State slaughtered?
@@questionmark7045 Dont expect them to answer this, lol. The most dangerous thing for a Muslim is and always will be Islam.
Very well articulated. These are points that are supposed to be common sense but sadly are being blurred by their propaganda machine, but not for long. Those propagandas are heavily reliant on money which they are losing fast.
Beware, the military industrial complex is strong!
@@williambarylo Facts, I'm not an influencer but I've been making videos on my channel since the 7th of october out of compulsion. But even a nobody like me has been shadowbanned and restricted heavily. They have been going above and beyond to silence the world.
@@williambarylo Facts, I'm not an influencer but I've been making videos on my channel since October out of compulsion. But even a nobody like me has been shadowbanned and restricted heavily. They have been going above and beyond to silence the world.
@@williambarylo At this moment in time, Science appears to be the main global religion. Major traditional religions teach humanity that this world is null & void, you're just a traveler in this world & Democracy, for its part, explains that the material world is the essence of human existence. Due to the inability of traditional confessions to respond to the current global problems a new religiosity will eventually emerge. But since life is not only existential but also symbolic, it's precisely these great symbols that Democracy can't defeat & abolish & will have to step down before them. *Money, Militarism & Democracy as they form today in Western Civilization are fighting the last & greatest battles against man. In the end, they will lose because the ancient forces of Faith, Blood & brotherhood are older & more powerful & in the not-so-distant future will win over Western Imperialism.*
🤔 The Zionists in Israel are rolling in money. The USA has recently donated $14 billion without conditions. And sent $millions in armaments. That is without counting the international Jewish financial backing of the government in Jerusalem.
sociopaths don't empathize - especially when they think God thinks they're *'special'*
Yes! I grew up Christian and we were absolutely indoctrinated into the idea that Jews are God’s ‘chosen people’, but no one acknowledged the inherent problem with this idea - superiority. Whoever any group throughout history set themselves above others as superior, bad things happened to those they deemed ‘inferior’. This is another version of white, religious supremacy, colonization, stealing land and resources from native peoples…
"Last Christmas, I gave you my heart..."
excellent help and tipps to handle the rhetoric, thank you Sir!
Thank you!
Thank you for covering this weird phenomena
I hope it helps!
There comes a time when silence is betrayal
That time has already come and gone.
Great reporting as always brother.
Thank you!
I am a gay man. Can I be gay in Gaza? Where am I more likely to be persecuted for being gay, Israel or Gaza? I choose Israel. I stand with Israel.
"I'm gay, so that makes ethnic cleansing okay"
I created a new catchphrase for you
@@ey3z4ya Hamas kill gay people. That is genocide.
@@ey3z4ya The genocide is from Hamas, the government of Gaza.
@@ey3z4ya Hamas, which the majority voted for in Gaza, kill so many people.
to expand on the absurdity of that logic let me break it even further- "i'm gay. these arabs who are running from bombs 24/7 in a 365 sq km patch of land deserve it because they don't love me. and so i choose a failed ethnostate where i can't get married." bro please don't bring your pathetic ass out of whichever first world parasite country you're from. your narcissism is absolutely not welcome.
Thank you very much! I've always wondered how these people think, why they don't understand that what is being done there is a great injustice. Now I understand. I think it's also a type of (cultural) narcissism, seeing yourself as superior and believing that everything you do is right.
Indeed, such mentality can be "cultivated" - it starts from early on for most effect.
This makes us learn to never believe the media and always listen to the people ourselves
Yes! That was very informative and interesting thank you, i had notice the lack of understanding (deliberate or not as i once thought) or a deeply ingrained propaganda taught in schools, i thought it was a form of ‘collective narcissism’ but i couldn’t reconcile the numbers. So thank you , your insight has given me a glimpse in how to understand this grotesque mass myrder of innocent civilians. I will have a different approach in expressing my thoughts feelings. Thank you. I am struggling with enormity of the destruction and targeting of innocent human beings by this group. It’s overwhelming all encompassing sadness for the Palestinian people.
Poor argument based on empathy for others being more important than your own life.
How would it work if IIsrael/ Gaza roles reversed?
This is a fight for survival by one side (not without its faults) and another avowed to extinguish the lives of ALL those in a neighbouring state. This is not some playground game where one supports one side or the other it is an assessment of a sorrowful situation and it’s logical resolution. I could scarcely believe My ears.
There's no point in talking in symbols because you can make any argument that way. These people are lost, there's nothing we can do. Truth comes from the heart.
and hamas has no heart.....
People can still respond to things that are familiar. Truth is a journey
I understand how dehumanization affects people having been in the Marines. Do it long enough to others and you cease being human yourself.
A link to an article mentioning the garbage being thrown at Holocaust survivors by Israeli settlers would be wonderful, I could definitely plant some seeds of doubt with some folks I know if I had that.
Holocaust survivors were actively participating in the murder of Palestinians, and raping of their girls, in 1948 when Israel was 'founded'.
Can still see grizzled old soldiers giggling about it in interview videos.
This is an anecdote told by Prof Ilan Greilsammer (who described himself as a left-leaning Zionist), I couldn't find any traces in the news perhaps because this is not in English. The only article in English I could find is about the state abuse of Holocaust survivors:
www.tabletmag.com/sections/israel-middle-east/articles/israel-abuses-holocaust-survivors
You’re a gem, may Allah bless you
Allah told me he hates you
Ameen and you too
Just a question to Pro-Palestinian people: If the Israeli government was overthrown or replaced with a “Palestinian liberation” movement like Hamas, would you be okay with the inevitable genocide that would ensue against theJewish people?
If you cannot comprehend that as a realistic result of a Palestinian state, you lack the foresight that history has provided us for centuries, not just the last 70 years. Israel is not going anywhere. Should they chill with the bombs? That’s not for me to say. All I know is that about 10 years ago, Obama was carpet bombing Syria and no one was crying genocide then.
The Israelis arrived in Palestine under the Balfour declaration despite English promises to the Arabs of their own state in exchange for fighting the Ottomans. immediately Israeli state sponsored gangs went around raping and murdering displacing millions with Israeli IDF veteran's confessions to the women they raped and civilians they slaughtered all on camera while they laughed go watch the documentary Tantura. the people committing the genocide are the Israelis and have been committing it for the past 80 years. Hamas since 2017 has been very vocal that they accept the 1967 2 state solution yet Israel denies to negotiate. Hamas and Hezbollah did not start targeting civilians they announced that they would start targeting civilians due to Israel's endless targeting of their civilians an eye for an eye. the US involvement in Syria while horrible and despicable was not genocide it was the targeting of ISIS that was the intention while Israel's is simply to in the words of many Israeli politicians "Flatten Gaza". you're not an intellectual you don't even understand the issue at hand stay in your place.
Just look at how apartheid ended and the ANC came to rule South Africa
Very interesting and constructive perspective thank you for sharing. The contrast with the mass of repetitive copy paste like content on that topic out there is a clear sign that this is the fruit of genuine thinking in an attempt to bring something that is not being said by the masses that address this topic. This is mainly a reaction to the last sentence in the video, any original content produced with sincerity in a genuine attempt to add value is useful whether it has any external impact or not.
thank you!
A little black and white thinking, perhaps? How should Israel have responded when 1,200of it's citizens and foreign workers were murdered and 250 more were taken hostage? How would any country respond? Yes, the scale of civilian deaths in Gaza is horrific.Does Hamas have any responsibility? And by the way, why was there no worldwide outrage when the Syrian dictatorship killed a quarter of a million people. I am certain that this post will get a ton of negative reactions for the exact reason you so eloquently describe.
how should Palestinians respond when almost 111361 Palestinians have been killed in conflict since 1948 (data from jewish virtual library, that also excluding 2022 and early 2023 killings) and 6000+ illegally kidnapped into israeli jail without charges? if you can't tolerate violent resistance maybe don't violently oppress and persecute people in the first place.
and if the hostages are with hamas and idf is bombing to kill hamas aren't the hostages also endangered?
I’m sorry.that’s not an answer. It’s whatabout. A recitation of previous grievances without context only adds rancor. It doesn’t explain and it doesn’t add to anyone’s understanding. Let me pose my question again. How should a country respond when it is attacked by a group that wants to destroy it and murders 1,200 of it’s citizens and foreign workers and takes hostages. Hamas knew very well that Israel would respond with bombing. That’s what they intended. They built tunnels to protect themselves and nothing to protect ordinary Gazans. They also knew that they could count on ignorance and latent antisemitism to turn public opinion against Israel. Nobody protested the humanitarian catastrophe that resulted from the Saudi war against the Houthis nor against the ethnic cleansing of the Rohingyas. Only when Israel tries to destroy an organization that tries to destroy it do we see massive demonstrations in Western capitals. When you claim the moral high ground, please think about the implications of what you are claiming. It just might not be as simple as you want it to be.
@@Elmer_Badly "A recitation of previous grievances without context only adds rancor". did you just say i'm the one ignoring context when i literally answered you with the exact context behind 7th oct? the context being israel's 75 year long occupation of Palestinian land and lives. laughable how you contradict yourself just like your beloved idf zionazis. and the fact that you called the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians "previous grievances". just say you don't see Palestinians as complete people with equal human value and leave bro. it is futile to argue with people like you who clearly lack conscience.
@@Elmer_Badly you think hamas just happened in a bubble. well the likud governement might disagree with you because they funded Hamas (and have admitted to doing so) and they depend on hamas for political gains.
And not to mention that the UN General Assembly also gives Palestinians the right to armed resistance. so idk why people are surprised when a blockaded people take up arms and contribute to the cycle of violence introduced by their oppressors.
@@Elmer_Badly and this whole notion that public engagement with previous genocides was absent is blatant ignorance of the current technological environment that enables such an enormous response. the internet has exponentially transformed in the last 3-4 years. Palestinians in Gaza are recording their own genocide, we are getting our info firsthand without having to depend on filtered out bs from biased mainstream media outlets.
and massive protests in Western capitals? bro have you seen Indonesia, Yemen, Morocco? And why wouldn't people protest when their countries are the ones most involved in this genocide.
stop hiding behind antisemitism and weaponizing and disrespecting jewish trauma to justify this racist imperialist failure of a society. the excuse is wearing out because while you individuals keep cheering on this genocide, 153 countries have voted for a ceasefire, so you're very alone in your bloodthirsty opinions my friend. unless of course all these 153 countries are antisemitic which wouldn't be the wildest nonsense that you guys have said till now.
Cognitive dissonance is a huge problem for all people in this realm of existence.
Thanks for articulating this. I found this very helpful.
Thank you for your videos, I really enjoyed them tremendously. I’m a Muslim, who loves to follow the Prophet and his family’s way of treating people. That was to never treat anyone harshly no matter what race or religion. To respect everyone, to show love, empathy, kindness, compassion and always be generous to the needy. To others as you would want to be treated. Thankful I’m done a pretty good job of holding up to that path and left hatred out of my heart and filled it with forgiveness, patience and peace.
For anyone who truly wants to understand Islam if the Quran doesn’t make sense to them then please read about how The Prophet and his family lived to understand. They were an example for Muslims to live by.
Hence we greet each other “Peace be upon you”
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You're aware that your prophet made genocidal wars against entire tribes, because of the actions of a few people he didn't like. He raped, took captive women whose families he murdered, and treated people worse than you would treat your worst enemy.
He was not an example of a good person. You stating the fact you follow his example, is quite disturbing. I'm sure you're not a bad person, and maybe you're ignorant of all that stuff, but Islam is a poison against all that is good and holy if it's based on the actions of its prophet.
Do not initiate greetings with the Jews and Christians. When you meet any of them in the road, then make him take its narrowest path.
Source: Sahih Muslim 2167, Grade: Sahih
hello fad. would muhammad approve the october 7 massacre of israeli women and children?
@@NJ-ju8fr We can respond to greetings without initiating them, but only if someone greets us first. In that case, we reply with the same greeting they use, because Islam promotes justice and giving everyone their due rights. It is known that Muslims hold a higher status and rank in the sight of Allah, so they should not degrade themselves to non-Muslims by initiating greetings with them first.
@@Anny0173 I love your answer🥰. You prove the worth of Allah to the world. And also Mohammad the greatest caravan robber ever.
Kinda sounded like a bunch of nonsense to be honest.
Russian propaganda works the same way. The difference is that no one believes it.
Looking forward to part 2 when he talks about Palestinian support for Hamas and their shooting, raping, decapitating, and burning people alive in Israel, before taking over 200 hostages. Where the empathy for these people? And where is the empathy and outrage over the Muslims killed by Muslims in Iran, Syria, Yemen, Lebanon etc?
I would love for the Doctor to answer this question. I've yet to see a reply to this question from any Hamas supporters.
The difference is that Hamas is labelled by most countries as a terrorist organisation. There's no press outlet in Europe or America saying Hamas is good. They have no public support in Europe or America. And they don't claim being a democracy.
In the most simple terms, people are OBSESSED with Israel. And in other words, no Jews? No news. That’s your answer. Muslims killing Muslims is all fine and dandy, no one has a problem with it, no protests, nothing. Half a million killed just in Syria but it’s fine as Israel wasn’t involved. It’s all 🐂💩. For me the interesting part is why are they obsessed with Israel and I believe it’s because it’s the only Jewish state. I’m not going to spell it out but we all know where this kind of thinking ends up.
Thank you for explaining this. I have friends who watched the same destruction of war in Gaza videos with me but they still believe that Israeil was doing the right thing and unconditionally support Israel no matter what evidence I shared with them.
have you seen the evidences from Israel for you to understand why you have friends who believe that Israel is doing the right thing? Do you know what human values your friends hold? from 1-9: Truth, love/ compassion, success/ efficiency, creativity/ uniqueness, intelligence/ wisdom, loyalty, joy/ happiness, justice, then peace.
@@gemmalee3032Israel has been providing fakes and lies not evidence.
But they cannot use surgical attacks? They have to shoot their own to prevent prisoner-taking?
We all see evidence for how bad Hamas has been, albeit some believe to different degrees, but we do not see evidence for the reason they carey out such military action as would be justified by Hamas' actions. So let's start there... Just as Saddam Hussein bad, why so much airstrikes and civilian deaths, and why accounts of military committing crimes? Yet the supporters for the Iraq war dropped so much as ISIS replaced the old threat and the new west-backed politicians failed to provide.
For even discluding Arab lives we can also worry that this will come back to Israelis, that the engagement wil escalate retaliation or that children bombed may grow up to something more extreme than Hamas, or even that surrounding countries will engage Israel if further excalation happens.
@@gemmalee3032 yes we always share the evidences with each other and almost all the evidences they had were debunked. If you search for the truth, you can easily find them nowadays. I asked also them what would Jesus do if he is around to see what is happening in Gaza and how Israel has been treating Palestinians in Gaza & West Bank all this years. None can give an honest and straight answer without deflecting or making excuses for the Israelis. If you really know Jesus, you will not give those kind of answers. Do you think Jesus is proud of you for supporting the killing of innocent lives? I asked them to be honest with themselves and for the sake of their souls.
"Jesus Christ never murdered any child or adult, because Jesus Christ preached love for neighbor and enemy, and whoever does not follow his word is because he has been seduced by evil."
Just stumbled onto your channel, thank you. The voice of reason and ethics is like a refuge in world that feels like it is turning so dark
thank you! It's just one take amongst many others!
Powerful video. You're absolutely right about using their own language against them and I think that's where things really changed this year alhamdulillah
Indeed! Thank you
Jo. I am 94 have a bit of experience of life and the Second World War.have many Jewish friends and are wonderful peoplei grew up in school and some are from my school days.They are a people less likely to make trouble with anybody.A Jewish friend is a friend for life. Israel has had its patience stretched to the limit with these so called Palestine Arabs who have supported Islamic Hamas terrorists for years. Immigrants have become promoters of trouble in our country and are doing so by taking the piss out of our people.
Very interesting. There is no underestimating the power of words and symbols. I wonder if you would prepare a list of verbal symbols that they respond to most. It would be very useful. Thanks for this video.
If you watch any Piers Morgan debate on the topic, it's served on a silver plate!
@@williambarylohave you condemned Hamas today?😂😂
@@sacredrider
No one is defending Hamas; they’re an extremist, Islamist group that does not represent the majority of Palestinians. What they did was reprehensible and set the cause of the Palestinian people back greatly. If Israel had targeted only Hamas and taken care not to harm innocent civilians, there would not be such an outcry. The fact is that Israel’s right wing government has been supporting Hamas as a way to divide the Palestinian people and lessen support for the more secular PLO based in the West Bank. Netanyahu has been playing the “create your own enemy” game in order to divide and conquer the Palestinians.
Thanks very much. I have been feeling such cognitive dissonance and distress with the mainstream reaction to the assault on Gaza, its like we are living in the upside-down world. This will really help, as I want to understand what is going on with people, who have been getting misinformation for so long, and a story, that they have latched on to. Hard to dislodge, because of the symbols you talk about. So much comes down to psychology.
But who empathizes with Israelis? If you expect it of them, the least you could do is empathize with them too.
I think you're missing plenty of things, some claims in this video are false, for example Israel gets no money anymore, it gets credits for weapons and you're seeing Israel as a collective.
Regarding the war it's not about lack of empathy or compassion, I never saw anyone giving the reasons you're assigning to them.
The problem is that Hamas is an obstacle for peace. Pretty much everyone hates this operation. It's not as if no Israeli dies and most people agree that as few Palestineans as possible should die despite them hating Jews and Israelis, to a point where they celebrate them dying.
Which is why plenty of measures are taken for limiting civilian casualties!
But the problems right now are Hamas and that there are still hostages.
Hamas and Palestinean Islamic Jihad constantly launch rockets towards Israel, of which thousands hit Gaza and always prepares the next attack.
In addition to that it oppresses those who are against it. While there are many Palestineans in full support of October 7th, there are also many who can't say what they really think.
But many who celebrate it and hate Jews are simply indoctrinated.
And where's the empathy for the Jews? No Jew on any campus should live in fear! But on the "anti Israel" protest there are active calls for killing Jews! But "It's depending on the context" wether that's fine or not! How can you defend murdering an innocent person in ANY context?
And why are most hate crimes targeting Jews?
Where's the empathy for the Israelis? Don't they deserve it too? No one says anything about Ocober 7th or says that it doesn't justify this operation.
It's worse than 9/11 for them, because it's a small country and nearly everyone had a connection to those who are affected. 100s of thousands are are also internally displaced.
The US started a war lasting over 20 years after 9/11! Most people in Afghanistan don't even hate the USA and were completely innocent civilians!
Just as a comparison what another country with a strong military did after such a massive terror attack.
Heck the protesters even ask for the expulsion and murder of all Jews from Israel! That's what "Free Palestine" stands for. Where's the empathy? Or aren't Jews deserving that?
Regarding the casualties I say that every single death of a more or less innocent person is a tragedy!
However we need to see that the number is pure propaganda. It comes from Hamas and on top of that it doesn't differ between legitimate targets and civilians.
But at the end of the day the number does not really matter.
What matters is that Israel tries to keep it as low as possible! And against all the claims Israel does A LOT for reaching that goal!
I mean the Hamas is DISSAPOINTED over the "low amount of casualties" amongst Palestineans! Their goal is to maximize them!
But civilians are dying in wars, especially when they are forced to stay in the warzone. That's not unique to Israel.
Where's the empathy for all the other wars in the middle east? Where's the empathy for the Kurds? Where's the empathy for the Yazidi?
And I think some things are a sign of less, not more, empathy.
For example asking for a ceasefire. That would lead to more suffering and death in the long run!
Both amongst the Israelis, especially the hostages, but I guess they are mostly Jews, so they don't matter, but also the Palestineans! If Hamas stays, they will keep on being indoctrinated into hateful humans and everyone who doesn't follow will be punished for it!
And Hamas will attack again! Israelis will die, but they don't matter and Palestineans will die too!
In which way is a ceasefire helping anyone, but Hamas?
Regarding the refugees it depends who you're asking. The problem is not the lack of empathy, the problem is that many are not good people.
They want to push Islam, which is an incredibly hateful and oppressive ideology, onto us! They are incredibly ungrateful!
Not wanting these types of refugees has nothing to do with lack of empathy!
And why is there no empathy for the Christians in the middle east? There are regular progroms! Why does no one take those in?
Oh and then there are the Jews, but they don't matter and most _were_ already murdered or expelled and had to flee to Israel!
What the US did after 9/11 was not retribution for the twin towers, it was revenge for the fact that Bush Sr. lost the first Iraq war, so Bush Jr. saw an opportunity to avenge his father. And, I bet if you interviewed Afghanis, they would tell you about that trauma of that conflict. There’s no doubt.
This is not about Hamas and the IDF. It's about ordinary people justifying blindly the killing of civilians. Whether they are Palestinian or Israeli. The IDF is going off tracks by targeting and neglecting Israeli hostages, and that should be a red flag for the current government and military strategy.
all of what you just mentioned as problems wouldn't have existed simply if the land WAS NOT COLONIZED. THE AUDACITYYYYY
@@williambarylo
I think it's hard to judge this based on one incident. Yes, it's a problem, but we don't know all the details.
But it isn't very clear cut, because it happened after a battle. And hesitating in close-quarters combat can cost a fighter his or her life.
Regarding "blindly killing civilians" I don't see how that is doctrine. Even if you'd take the Hamas numbers and count every casualty as a civilian you'd end up with less than 1% of the population. A population which is not allowed to flee, both due to the limited space and due to causing trouble in the past. Every Arab country supports Palestineans.
From a distance.
Egypt could easily save all internally displaced refugees. Did you ever ask yourself why they don't?
Regarding the doctrine the opposite is true. Civilians are a reason to _not_ engage and to perform risky operations.
Are civilian casualties acceptable? Yes, they are. When the casualties not too high, while the value of the target is high it's normal to attack a target. It sucks, but that's the case for pretty much every military.
Did you ever ask yourself why Israel did _not_ bomb Al Shifa? Did you ever ask yourself why they're using Caterpillar D9s instead of just bunker busters? Did you ever ask yourself why they don't carpet bomb?
That's why. It's simply not true that Israel targets civilians.
Of course it can't be ruled out that war crimes are commited and I saw at least one war crime, which showed lack of discipline (trashing of the store of a Palestinean for no reason), but I don't think you can say that the whole IDF is like that based on this. I mean you don't say that all Palestineans would commit the crimes of October 7th, when given the chance, either. I think too many would, but that's besides the point.
However all this is just the Israel portion of the problem. It ignores a lot of misdeeds which are happening in the middle east, for which next to no empathy is shown.
It also ignores the situation of the Jews who don't have anything to do with Israel and the fact that even prior to this most hate crimes targeted Jews.
I mean there are even college presidents defended, who fail to say that calling for the murder of Jews is "harrassment".
No one like that should be defended. No matter wether center, left or right.
I think at the end of the day this is an effect of Qatari money though.
What evidence do you have that ‘most hate crimes are committed against Jews?’ Apart from that this is stated by Jewish organisations. The documentary ‘Defamation’ seemed to peel back this assertion.
This is exactly the issue I’ve been struggling to get to grips with - how do you get through to these people. Thank you for your insights.
The terms you are looking for are psychopath (for the leaders) and sociopath (for the followers). Thanks for reading.
Greetings from Ireland .. free Palestine!
Now lets hear your opinion on Hamas and Iran and their motivating ideology.
The difference is that they don't claim being democracies
@@williambarylo and does that make it okay?
"Why the "appeal to emotion" fallacy doesn't work on those who apply critical thinking". I fixed your headline.
Excellent articulation and analysis. Thank you for the awareness
Thank you for putting into words and for thinking out this concept. The inability of the Pro-Israeli side to empathize with their victims challenged my faith in humanity but by percieving it as merely a dissonance issue and that it us a problem within cognitive processing you are providing a potential tool to drive more productive conversations. Thank you.
If you look at interviews with Israeli politicians, they never really listen to the questions or what is being discussed. They just articulate their own point of view and shout over anyone else disagreeing with them. It's never a true discussion where both sides can rationally make a point. I have witnessed such arguments between narcissistic people who are only interested in winning and not resolving an issue whether its political or personal. And their greatest ploy is to reduce any kind of rationalism to pure emotionalism by employing unsubstantiated allegations, citing unproved atrocities and outright lies to gain the upper hand. Arguing with such people is a waste of time. The worst thing you can do to them is be dismissive and give their arguments no worth.
@@user-gu1ct6km5y Agree. Palestinians have been terrorized by jewish gangs since 1948. Read about Lehi and Irgun gangs. it was horrendous.
@@user-gu1ct6km5y no, it happened in a context of illegal occupation, ie. foreign violent invasion by white Europeans who converted to Judaism.
I had a conversation with a musician claiming I was a Hamas fanboy and belittling the victims as necessary casualties to „help Palestine“ UNTIL he brought up the German term „Schutzstaat“ which translates as a „protectional state“. He said that all of my arguments concerning the war don’t accept the fact that Israel is a „Schutzstaat“. I then told him that if a Schutzstaat could ever exist, it would need to protect ALL its citizens the same way and not deny some people streets, forcing them though checkpoints, deny access to parts of city’s and in the worst cases even food and water. He did not respond to that ever since. So basically yes, I agree. So insane to see that you have to go through this technical talk to make them see the humans behind it but also kind of makes Sense in our western wold that’s profiting so much of colonialism. Bless from Germany
Thank you for standing beside humanity. Thank you for speaking out for Palestinians ❤. Freepalestine 🇵🇸
Have you seen any empathy from pro-Palestinian Arab people towards israelis? I assume that you, as a fair and conscientious guy, are constantly and vigorously highlighting and criticizing their delight in the death and, worse, of Israeli civilians. We do not rejoice in the death of any noncombatent. Strive to minimize civilian casualties even at real risk to our troops. This is evidenced by the extraordinarily low collateral damage ratio of under 2:1 compared to all urban warfare examples from the past 50 years, where a ratio of 8:1 or higher is common.
Are you trying to say that in Gaza were 10,000 Hamas members killed so far, lol?
Anyway, even "2:1 ratio" is a war crime.
I'm talking about the Euro-American context where some people justify the killing of civilians. The IDF targeting and neglecting Israeli hostages in unacceptable by any standards of war.
1. Are Muslims and Palestinians not using symbols?
2. What happened on Oct 7th?
3. What has HAMAS done for Gaza?
4. What have HAMAS, Gaza, Palestinians have done for the world? Any scientific and cultural contributions?
5. Where did the money for the tunnels and weapons come from?
6. What value do education, humanity, inclusion have in the Muslim Middle East?
You questions shows that you felt for those symbols 😂. Good luck for the answers
Hey, this is not the Piers Morgan show here
The biggest roadblock to people taking responsibility for poor conduct, is getting them to recognise when they have actually gone too far and become the villian. Everyone always see's themselves as the hero, or at least the good guy in their story. Even when they are not.
They are brainwashed.
The question is which laundry powder do they use
Do you know? @@williambarylo
@@williambarylo I think bleach
This was very useful! Thank you!❤
People around here are entrenched in hatred towards refugees. Especially “Mexicans.” For over 100 years, migrant workers have worked our farms, orchards, vineyards. Mostly Hispanic. Not everyone is unkind. Mom taught their children when she was in college. (1950’s) the US wrecked less powerful countries, established military “bases.” In our name. In the name of Democracy. Promoting fear of socialism, communism. Still, despite our hostility, terrorised, displaced people from these very countries come here hoping for a life of peace. I have sponsored a refugee family in the 1980’s. Tutored another family in English (the Western New York dialect.) The rhetoric is that we are overwhelmed with refugees. Yet we are sparsely populated. Many of us DO have room in our hearts to welcome the dispossessed. Personal interaction with the “other” humanises them. Listening creates understanding, sympathy, and a road to solutions. Worldwide, millions of people are influencing governments and public discourse supporting Palestine, permanent ceasefire, rebuilding people’s lives, and a road to hope. I am ashamed that my government is killing Palestinians. I feel helpless on the sidelines. Yet, I will speak my heart to everyone. My Palestinian flag 🇵🇸 arrived in the mail yesterday. It will be raised on my house, to fly free in the wind! 🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸
Your English is very good and I still haven't been able to understand what the message is. Don't be offended, I don't think you understand geopolitics between Israel and its rivals, much less wars....which is ironic, yes, because your country France was involved in so many wars and colonialism and now you preach to others general Behavior. And that's fine too. Just don't embarrass yourself by trying to explain something you still don't understand.
I don't even understand this comment. Don't embarrass yourself commenting when people don't understand.
@@williambarylo It's not a matter of ego, friend, you're in sociology, what knowledge do you have of wars and their geopolitical effects on other enemies who make a situational assessment following them?
What other army would have fought differently in the hostile geographical space populated mainly by terrorist infrastructure that was prepared ahead of time in favor of a confrontation and this when the opponent is crazy with a fanatical religious mentality and they are holding 240 hostages from your people?
What army would fight with tweezers in this reality?
@@MoSc-m6p I see he doesn’t offer you a considered response. It is probably because he doesn’t have one except that the only rational response is to do what Israel is doing. All the people who decry Israel in this war soon fall silent when asked what they’d do. All mouth and no brain.
Thank you so much Dr. Barylo, this is very helpful for understanding the mindset. I am shocked to hear about holocaust survivors coming to Israel only to be abused and have garbage thrown at them by Israelis. Why do they disrespect them like this?
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There is nothing extraordinary about the casuality rates in this war civilians typically die at 10 times the rate as combatants and Gaza is densely populated. That is not what genocide is.
What the idf does is very different from any other counter guerilla wars in populated areas
C'est pas une question d'empathie mais de colonialisme.
Exactement, le colonialisme va de pair avec la déhumanisation des sujets
So Israel is a coloniser? That’s what you’re trying to say? Don’t all colonisers have a home base, you need a home to send out a colony from, right. Where did the Jews originate from again?
Each of those questions could be its own video. I hope you do more to explain some of them that would help break down the conversation and expose their presuppositions.
The break down that would make them realize that israel is commiting mass murder, unacceptable injustices and genocide.
Israel and Zionism were not accepted by most of the Jewish population since 1897 when it started because Jews felt Zionism was antithetical to good Jewish values. Clearly nothing’s changed. Zionism is racist fascist genocidal and has no morals or values. There are still many Jews who are sickened by their brutal, sadistic behaviour.
I think the figures speak by themselves, the international condemnations, academic papers, etc... I think there are people doing this better than what I could do such as Ilan Pappe, Norman Finkelstein, etc, as they can actually play with these symbols!
Golden. Excellent analysis of the mental landscape in play, and a way to potentially break through it.
Question for you,is hamas a terrorist group?
Thank you for sharing your expertise. I see now why it is so frustating for anyone to reason with the zionists
what expertise it is basicly pseudoscience .
Truly excellent summary of it all, thank you for speaking up
Do pro Palestinians have empathy towards Jews and their right to self determination? I think you'd find that this argument goes both ways.
Actually that's perhaps why you have Jewish and Christian people in pro-Palestinian demonstrations. They understand that the problem is Israel's current policies have been causing more harm than Hamas which has been labelled a terrorist organisation
that is a blatant lie.
Jewish people already have self determination - why is this even a question? It's like Israel harping on about not being recognized as a state by Palestinians. Israel is already a state and they deny Palestine legal status. It's the most absurd level of hypocrisy possible.
Thank you. I also feel it is of no use to keep harping on about statistics - this many killed, that number of hospitals bombed. Nor the playing on heart strings of the children angle. The heart strings are not readily available to pull. Cliches dull the possibility of response. Few words. Analogies. They work more powerfully. And yes - using the Israeli supporters own terms of validation.
This was incredibly interesting, and brilliant. Thank you.
So you came to the conclusion that dehumanisation occurs during armed conflict. Your piece was juvenile emotive ideological salad. Just have some dignity and own the fact that you view the Jews as uniquely evil based on your own beliefs.
spot on.
Factually wrong. Many Jews support peace in the region.
Excellent analysis... you're right about how some holocaust survivers are treated in Israel ...
What you're describing is good old-fashioned herd mentality. People will naturally conform to the majority opinion, which in turn is heavily directed by whatever the dominant class dictates. There is also considerable safety in conformity.
If or when the interests of the dominant class requires a change of mass opinion, the people will change their opinions accordingly. Despite the worldwide protests and outpouring of criticism of Israel's actions and policies, the majority opinion, particularly in the US-dominated West, is pro-Israel and views all Palestinians primarily as terrorists.
This is why I believe that the current slaughter in Gaza will just blow over and become the 'new normal'. It's simply not in the US interest to let go of Israel, as it's too strategically important. The Western media (the megaphone of US hegemony) is already losing interest. I can't remember the last time I saw a Gaza story on the front pages. Weeks ago, it was a major talking point at social events I attended. Now, it's never even mentioned.
Very well put! Helps to explain the way Israeli's talk with such intensity of the death of one of their people, or their children while ignoring the death of thousands of Palestinian people including thousands of children, that seemingly don't matter so much as the death of Israelis😢!
Props to anyone who has the patience to argue with Israelis, but I think I will abstain. Very interesting insight though
When youve been in a war with a group for 70 years, it's harder to find empathy towards the other side.
Well said!
thank you!
You arent wrong, but it isnt that symbols matter to them, it is that they were raised to be jewish/narcissistic (same thing). The symbols you mention are how they view themselves/their self image/tribal identity, and that is all that matters to a narcissist. They care about them and theirs, but could care less about the rest of humanity.
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Very simply put and exceptionally effective. Subscribed!
“When peace comes we will perhaps in time be able to forgive the Arabs for killing our sons, but it will be harder for us to forgive them for having forced us to kill their sons. Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us.” - Golda Meir
There's a difference between not empathizing ad not letting social media direct the course of events.
Meir was Palestinian
@@billiamc1969 She was born in Ukraine and not in the british mandate, and grew up in Milwaukee.
Why all the love for colonialist terminology anyway? Why not call the land Judea? Or even Anatolia?
These guys wield empathy the way the terrorists they stand behind wield guns. If we resist their death cult we must lack empathy. I do lack empathy to their cause, we all should. Nobody should empathize with evil.
@@billiamc1969 yes she was a Jewish Palestinian just as there were Jewish and Arab Palestinians living under British mandate. They were called Palestinians because of the land they lived on, not because they were of a Palestinian race.
@@yelowpunk Arafat, who invented the Palestinians, was an Egyptian. Didn’t stop him for being a terrorist, PLO leader and blowing up aircraft. Are we done with off point topics now?