ignoring double yellow is rightly a harsh penalty, agree with the FIA shambles but totally disagree with the excuses made for Lando, double yellow you lift period; regardless of circumstance.
I'm sorry, but it's insane to say a double waved yellow shouldn't have been penalised. You set a precedent for ignoring double waved yellow and teams and drivers having irrelevant excuses. Max lost pole in Mexico a few years ago for the same, I remember several drivers getting harsh penalties for this. It's slam dunk! It's irrelevant the race would have been better without it, this is safety. Even Lando said penalty was fair.
Its a problem for them coz its a British driver getting it They wouldn’t be discussing it if it was a Ferrari driver getting it or max getting it In fact they would have joked and laughed about bottling it if it was a Ferrari driver ignoring a double waved yellow which clearly says look out slow down and prepare to stop even and lando didn’t lift in a 200+ miles zone on track I dont know what they are watching
It happened with 17 drivers in Vegas 2024. NONE were penalized. It happens dozens of times every season. But yes, the three that were penalized since all received the same penalty, that's true.
@@endthisnonsense7202 you are confusing two different infringements. Lando ignored yellow flags completely. While the 17 drivers in Vegas were driving slower than the delta during qualifying. The first happened 3 times since 2014 and was a 10 second stop go. The second has happened hundreds of times ever since the rule was implemented but penalised only once.
@@endthisnonsense7202you take two things and mistake them for another. The 17 times is related to the impeding on a warm up lap. What Lando did was ignoring a double yellow, Max did it in a qualifying and got in the race a 5 place drop, the other cases did get the10 sec stop and go.
This penalty is not about any unfair advantage gained by ignoring double yellows. It's about discouraging ignoring them in every scenario. Which is why it is ridiculous to advocate for looking at the context at the time of the infringement. That's like arguing that we punish drunk driving differently after midnight because there's less traffic.
Its a shame that Peter Windsor with how much he usually is aware of the dangers of the sport is trying to justify not penalising a driver for ignoring double yellows, a rule that is absolute and without question, regardless of circumstance if you ignore double yellow you get harsly punished because is one of the most dangerous thing you can do on a race track. Very dissapointing.
The same British bias that got Lando a stop and go penalty and caused Lewis to get a puncture after driving through broken glass? That British bias? What are you saying??
You do know they removed the double yellows immediately afterwards don’t you ? That is how dangerous the race director thought the mirror was…… until it was hit and totally altered the flow of the race. Yes Lando should have lifted but a 35 second penalty !?Especially given the circumstances.
@@mandst5466if you have watched F1 before you should know that penalties are not decided on circumstances and its a safety issue And it hurts when you are used to bias in competitive sports when it suddenly gets fair No one else complains as much as you guys And you always are crying about something when the whole tv direction is also only favouring you people Come on have some dignity and take on your chin like everyone else does it I know its hard for you but deal with it
Sorry mister Peter ignore a double yellow flag because the fia fucked up is wrong. Max did it so he lost almost 1 sec in a close fight with Lando. Lando was almost in his gearbox. I completely agree with your vision but you can not imply your vision into the current rules. That would be confusing. Their must be first a leadership change.
Double yellow is a safety issue Peter. They have/need to give this penalty. It’s not up to the driver to make the judgment if it’s safe. Lando missed a very important safety signal. It’s harsh but it’s the standard penalty.
Out of everyone who provides analysis, I live for Peter’s because of his significant expertise as well as how level handed and fair it is. Thank you, Peter.
he's become a bit of a Lando fanboy though 😂 Lando again lost 18 points through his own fault. That puts the season total at 60ish. McLaren cost him way less.
The funny thing about this whole story is that Russell is not mentally strong enough to win a championship. You only play the kind of dirty, underhanded games he plays if you don't think you can win in a normal way. And then you've already lost. Verstappen then. Who flatly says before the race that he is going to overtake Russell before the first corner. That is a huge mental difference.
What's even more funny is that if Russel angers Verstappen enough with his sneaky backhanded tactics, Max can tap Toto for a contract and George will be out of a job 😀
@@broyout3586 Ah, the irony would be delicious, wouldn’t it? George scheming his way into a corner, only to find Max strolling into the Silver Arrows garage like he owns the place. Toto handing him the keys while George watches from the paddock-poetic justice served hot and fast, just like Verstappen’s laps. 🚀👀
Count the number of times Verstappen received a penalty when the track signals weren't even working. Verstappen even got a penalty on this track in 2021 when there was a single waved double yellow from 1 official 50 meters outside the track. One that no driver spotted because of it's position. And to make it worse, Verstappen was the only one that passed it under double yellow because it started as a single yellow. As a result he got penalized more harshly than anyone else. Nothing about mitigating circumstances that day. I don't even know what Windsor is babbling about mitigating circumstances here. He is referencing the safety car lights? How is that even remotely relevant? The penalty is clearly prescribed in the rules. Are you now suggesting they should throw it aside because you wanted to see a battle for P1? Make it make sense.
He is grasping at straws. This is what unconscious bias is. He said Lando hasn't made many mistakes like these. Just in brazil he jumped the lights , should have been at minimum penalty a 10 sec stop/go or a black flag. Marshall's , recovery vehicle and Stroll all were on the side of the track. Then on the restart ran wide, lost position , then again spun off the track and lost position again had to be led through by Piastri.
@@raghvendrapratapsingh2585 Well, Sainz did the same thing in Monza 2023. He drove away during an aborted start and wasn't penalized. That's where the FIA makes it difficult on themselves. Obviously they didn't want to penalize Ferrari in Monza, but now they can't penalize anyone else for the same. I don't really care that much about it. I don't want to see a race already ruined for a driver before it starts because of a silly mistake like that. And if you start enforcing that it predominantly affects the driver on pole. I don't think that would be fair either.
Its not the point that the FIA dit it wrong ,the point is that lando should get of the gas. He don't have the race brain off M4X. Peter is looking for excuses for Lando.
Peter windsor is yet again a calm and rational mind in the entropic world of formula 1. I do not agree with peter 100% of the time, but I always respect him.
We can discuss if the yellow was wrong for debris on track, but can't change the fact that the driver doesn't have to slow down when it is double yellow. The driver can't judge the severity of the reason fo the yellow flag. Un populair, but it was one of the few coerent penalties given out at that race weekend.
@@murraydonaldson3646 there is a difference between reporting a driver for gaining an unfair advantage and reporting a driver out of spite. Lando ignoring the flags brought him closer which COULD have brought him into DRS range leading to an overtake. It was an unfair advantage gained through rulebreaking and so reporting it was fair.
Yeah just like when he lost 11 races out of 12 in a row. I must have been calm then eh? ;) He can't race faster than the car will allow. He'll just drive dirtier.
Peter has true passion to be this motivated, articulate and mentally acute. He is 72 years old for Christ’s sake, and still has the energy and analytical skills he did 50 years ago. Mad respect.
The FIA is not 'making mistakes'. What they are doing is optimizing for viewer spectacle. They do that by fomenting as much drama as they possibly can, at the cost of any consistency of applying the rules. It's getting more ridiculous by the race, but that's where we're at. They don't favour any particular driver or team, they favour spectator engagement, the more polarizing the better. And I am not sure I'm here for it, but I am not tuning out either. I guess their strategy works, at least partly, on me.
Derek Warwick was a FIA steward that race and should also be held responsible for that ridiculous post qualifying penalty. Windsor is claiming he is the competent one that should run F1? Then why can Derek Warwick not even be a sense of reason in the stewards room?
@@FrancisFjordCupola Ridiculous argument. Derek Warwick is also owns a Honda Dealership and Red Bull run Honda. It's a clear conflict of interest and the regulations state that you cannot be a steward with a conflict of interest. Derek Warwick was on duty in Abu Dhabi too where the worst travesty to hit F1 took place. Now, just to educate you further, being British isn't a race. So it's NOT racism. I mean how clueless do you have to be to think that it is? All it is now is this need from Max fans to be anti-British. Those who think 1 British steward has more power than the other 3 non British stewards put together. Max fans are so out of touch with reality, it's vaudville.
The problem is that setting the precedent that drivers can use their own judgment when seeing double waved yellows is not right. If you see them you either act on them or get the default penalty. Simple.
I love to hear the both of you. When the British bias is so strong there are still people out there that did not lose reality. You are respectful and dead right on it.
Don’t worry about British Bias. Let them waffle. Honestly. Give it to em! Cause when Hamilton can’t keep up with Leclerc next season, it’s going to be HILARIOUS listening to the depression from all involved at Sky 🤣
The British bias is atrociously strong with Peter. Upping Derek Warwick while forgetting that guy was one of the stewards. Excusing Norris for safety infringements. It's insane.
Here is my problem with Peter's view on the Lando penalty: The rules are the rules and they either apply to everyone or they apply to no one; you can't pick and choose when they apply. Maybe a slightly different scenario occurred, where Lando sped through the double yellows allowing him to get close to Max and then overtake him using DRS he gained as a result of breaking the rules. The rules have to be applied fairly, and one driver shouldn't be disadvantaged because he followed the rules and someone else didn't. Peter thinks the FIA shouldn't have punished Lando and that it denied us an exciting race. Once upon a time there was a race director who chose to arbitrarily disregard the rules for the sake of on-track excitement. His name was Michael Masi and the result of that was one of the most controversial and divisive races in F1 history. When the talk is about consistency of decision-making throwing the rules aside for the sake of excitement wouldn't be a good look.
@FrancisFjordCupola I prefer not to gp down that route. Peter has praised and criticised Lando and everyone else and I think it is a bit dismissive to imply British bias. Peter has his opinion and he has his reasons for that. I disagree with him for my own reasons, but nationality doesn't come anywhere into it in my opinion.
Masi didn't disregard any rules, the rules allowed for what he did. Brundle has spoken about this many times on the F1 broadcast, in Monaco 2015, and Brazil 2019 (iirc), Brundle says outright that it's not mandatory to let lapped cars pass, it's all at the discretion of the race director. And if the agreement between the teams beforehand in talks with the race director is to not finish under safety car, it is totally disingenuous for Mercedes to claim wrongdoing. I think you can read into this why Toto dropped it and didn't try to get it overturned, he had no leg to stand on.
@@Selendeki to be honest despite much talk on the matter over the years I've never actually heard that. I just looked up more about it again it seems the problem was the wording and structure of the rules allowed some play in how they are interpreted. This is exactly why rules should be clear and simple - as is the case for failing to slow through double waved yellows.
Too bad that he didn't mentioned that they punishment from Max is really odd since they also took away 1 point from his license. While Lando didn't lost even a point from the license for a bigger mistake. British bias in the 'ma'FIA is just so unfair.
Lando's penalty was maybe too harsh, but Max did slow down and knew the double waved yellow flag; so there is no excuse that Lando didn't know. (The yellow-green-yellow was mistake by broadcast for tv, not on the road.)
Lando was so fixed on passing Max he was zoned out and missed the flashing lights. but he and George are always on the radio reporting other drivers so karma
@@FrancisFjordCupola Indeed, but if he saw them or not doesn't even matter; lack of awareness arguably makes it worse. (Though several times lack of awareness by George has led to penalties for the other driver instead: e.g. Max and Fernando)
Max is hyper aware of double waved yellows is due to the fact that he got that same penalty in 2021 (I may have the year wrong) so he is more aware of that. Experience is the always the best teacher .
Another terrible take by Peter, the yellow flags worked because everybody else’s telemetry shows drivers coming off power, Norris fucked up. So just say so.
Cameron and Peter, you are both goats 🤣🤣🤣…and both levelheaded…we need you both in F1!!!! What I wish for the future?….well, I would like to see you 2 interviewing Max…just wishful thinking 🙏 Peter, you have access to Max…can you arrange an interview with him, together with Cameron? Please 🙏
To Peter’s point re: Lando penalty; fair enough it warranted a penalty but why did it take 14 laps before the penalty was communicated? Just read analysis and had they communicated timely, Lando would have re-entered in 7th place vs. the back of the grid.
F1 should use drones that can pick up debris. The technology is out there. Its also beautiful in Australia this time of year, 25-30 degrees every day for the last 6 weeks. Lando let wanting to beat Max override thinking about the constructors. It would be a shame if mclaren lost it. Out of George, Charl, Lando, Oscar i would say that Oscar has the most upside to challenge Max. Oscar still has 2 years to reach his peak but he will be better than the others by then.
I disagree with peter. An alternative championship is not impossible, especially with the cars so artificially limited in practically every aspect and such an outrageous amount of money involved.
He is a treasure this Windsor fellow alright. Very is pro racing and anti politics. I see very little bias in his comments, if any. Very knowledgable. Great to be able to hear his insights. Many thanks
While I agree that the race direction was inexcusable a yellow was the LEAST they should’ve had, so Lando’s non lift was inexcusable as well. Lando wasn’t aware of the “mayhem”, we as viewers were. Peter’s suggestion of no penalty would’ve been the absolute worst thing to do in light of the idiocy from the stewards all weekend. It’s a straightforward rule and to ignore it - especially in the name of entertainment - would represent everything Peter hates about stewarding in modern F1.
If you only add rules and never remove one, you end up in a situation where nothing can be done anymore (contradiction, overreach bureaucracy, conflicts of interests).
For the last two season I’ve felt that the FIA should reconfigure how qualifying is done. There has got to be a better way for one car to prep for a fast lap and have another car on a hot lap. And not have the problems with traffic or impeding other cars.
The real issue is with the intentionally bad tires and tire wear. Just remove the compulsory pitstop and let Pirelli make the best tires possible and just tell them they are supposed to last the whole race. One set of tires for each session. They can do that.
Not that I always agree with you… 😊 But in this case I agree on Max’ penalty. Also thought Lando’s penalty was OTT but you cannot / should not disregard that Lando made a mistake. And if you then decide to penalise him I don’t believe they had a choice: they had to give him the default double-yellow penalty. Whatever the circumstances
Peter you are SO wrong. Max's penalty was not 'fair' you say . Please... That penalty was not only fair but just and necessary. Max does crap like this EVERY race and gets away with it. Not this race , however. About time !
I haven't heard this anywhere but now that I think of the whole situation with Lando.. McLaren, Sainz, LeClerc, Russell, Piastri AND Hamilton all made him lose a possible Championship. And unknowingly and unwillingly, they all helped Max win his 4th!!
Everyone kept stealing some points and wins here and there... But no one took wins away from Max. Whenever he had the speed he won, but by all taking wins... He still walked away with 9 wins this year. That's still miles ahead realistically.
There are very little things Formula fans agree on. Especially when it comes to penalties. But here Formula 1 fans are almost unanimous in concluding that this penalty was ridiculous. This you also can't contribute to incompetence. The stewards tried everything to undo the outcome of qualifying and couldn't even figure out what the reason for the penalty could be. They just invented something.
You are only considering that Perez is not taking any points away from Verstappen, but you are completely ignoring that he doesn't take away points from the competition either. And you are ignoring that Perez is of no help to Red Bull's strategy. Besides, if you put Piastri next to Verstappen I don't see Piastri taking away many points from Verstappen either. This season in a car that has been better than the Red Bull in the majority of races Piastri only managed to finish ahead of Verstappen 7 times.
Gasly the one to take on Verstappen? With all due respect, he is not a bad driver by any means, but are you having a laugh? He is 1,5 years older than Verstappen, was his teammate in the first half of 2019 and got completely destroyed. So much so that Red Bull replaced with a driver that only had 6 months of experience.
So, Peter Windsor believes a driver should face punishment for using his freedom of speech and criticizing a multi-billion dollar company in Pirelli? No institution or company should be immune to criticism.
Because Lando's was actually worse. That wasn't a start infringement. The start was aborted. Then you have to stay put. So they hushed it all under his British passport because the race wasn't yet started. Lewis made a clear false start. They have been giving +5 second penalties for those. I would prefer outright drive-throughs for those.
The FIA seems not to be able to manage a good race at the moment, make controversial decisions and neglect to do their work correctly. I think that is partially due to the fact that competent officials have all been fired or have resigned. So there is too much pressure on the shoulders of the people who are still there. Maybe they are so nervous that they just can’t make good decisions.
The single only bad decision in the race itself was not calling out the safety car with the mirror situation. And they explained that; according to the rules the stuff wasn't on the racing line and a VSC would not give the space for a marshal to pick it up. Then Bottas got a blue flag, moved over out of the racing line and squashed the mirror. All the penalties in the race were very much deserved. With the Russell - Verstappen situation, the stewards should have seen right through Russell's lies and penalized him for nearly driving into Max.
Let’s be real. Sainz is not like Hamilton. Sainz and Charles don’t work well, cuz they have taken a winning car and never won constructive champs. Lewis > Sainz. It’s that simple.
The problem is that no one with the power to make the call seemed to understand that the debris WAS on the racing line if you were trying to pass, breaking a toe, etc. Even if it’s not technically on what people usually mean by racing line (there are many different kinds depending on the situation) the stewards and race director should know enough to understand that the debris is exactly where many drivers will need to go and it’s not going to vanish, it’s going to shatter and make more debris from cars it hits and tires that puncture, early Kepler syndrome type stuff. They looked like idiots not because of the penalty, but because of the FIA’s decisions, which they had many laps to think about, were so poor. They don’t even know why they should be embarrassed, which is even more embarrassing. Like one loose part breaking other parts loose, these types of clueless behavior will have effects on the teams and races. Defiantly ignorant. Just like the man that put the new hires in place.
I'd say go Charles. Would be fun. Then Zak Brown can start to calculate: yes he finally acknowledged that Max can win championships with inferior cars. Zak's own minions could then not even end up as a runner-up to the champion with a superior car. He could then imagine how far he'd get with real drivers.
Im sorry but its karma, he has got away with so many penalties, hes due one especially in Quali, I remember him blocking the pit exit , which race Im not sure, 23' 24'and nada! from FIA. Inconsitencies from them Im guessing. Windsor is an F1 Don but I wont follow his opinion blinkered.
I think Peter should be ashamed of himself. He should know how dangerous the sport is. He should know that we do not have as much fatalities nowadays because of safety measures. Norris did not just ignore double-yellow in Qatar, Norris also drove on track during an aborted start in Brazil. The real best decision would be to revoke Norris' license entirely. He is a danger to himself and others. Instead for one thing he didn't get punishment and for the other he got the exact minimum in the rule book. It is UTTERLY INSANE to say Norris should not be penalized. It is typical British racism to excuse Norris. Norris got his penalty a few laps late because the stewards first checked the telemetry of all the cars who saw double-yellow. But again, it is the fault of Norris. British bias as always. Should be ashamed.
ignoring double yellow is rightly a harsh penalty, agree with the FIA shambles but totally disagree with the excuses made for Lando, double yellow you lift period; regardless of circumstance.
I'm sorry, but it's insane to say a double waved yellow shouldn't have been penalised. You set a precedent for ignoring double waved yellow and teams and drivers having irrelevant excuses. Max lost pole in Mexico a few years ago for the same, I remember several drivers getting harsh penalties for this. It's slam dunk! It's irrelevant the race would have been better without it, this is safety. Even Lando said penalty was fair.
Yah I was confused at that comment.
I agree with you too but hey, nobody bats 1000.
Its a problem for them coz its a British driver getting it
They wouldn’t be discussing it if it was a Ferrari driver getting it or max getting it
In fact they would have joked and laughed about bottling it if it was a Ferrari driver ignoring a double waved yellow which clearly says look out slow down and prepare to stop even and lando didn’t lift in a 200+ miles zone on track
I dont know what they are watching
What Lando did only happened 3 times since 2014, and they were consistently given 10s stop-go penalties.
It happened with 17 drivers in Vegas 2024. NONE were penalized. It happens dozens of times every season. But yes, the three that were penalized since all received the same penalty, that's true.
@endthisnonsense7202 17 drivers ignored double yellows in Vegas?????
@@endthisnonsense7202 you are confusing two different infringements. Lando ignored yellow flags completely. While the 17 drivers in Vegas were driving slower than the delta during qualifying. The first happened 3 times since 2014 and was a 10 second stop go. The second has happened hundreds of times ever since the rule was implemented but penalised only once.
@@endthisnonsense7202you take two things and mistake them for another. The 17 times is related to the impeding on a warm up lap. What Lando did was ignoring a double yellow, Max did it in a qualifying and got in the race a 5 place drop, the other cases did get the10 sec stop and go.
So because FIA made a mistake MAX should suffer a half a second steal from Lando - after loosing pole also? That is really nonsense!
Windsor is solid mostly, but he has a huge blindspot for Lando.
This penalty is not about any unfair advantage gained by ignoring double yellows. It's about discouraging ignoring them in every scenario. Which is why it is ridiculous to advocate for looking at the context at the time of the infringement. That's like arguing that we punish drunk driving differently after midnight because there's less traffic.
@@cuszco Good point.
Peter is like the Gandalf of f1
Yup
Gandalf The white or grey?
@@emiliorivera1503 the golden one😅
Nonsense, he has far less hair !!!! 😉
You shall not pass!
Its a shame that Peter Windsor with how much he usually is aware of the dangers of the sport is trying to justify not penalising a driver for ignoring double yellows, a rule that is absolute and without question, regardless of circumstance if you ignore double yellow you get harsly punished because is one of the most dangerous thing you can do on a race track. Very dissapointing.
@@Elegenius2012 Exactly double yellow's mean prepare to come to a full stop as their could be marshals on the track etc.
He cant help it
Its the same old British bias
The same British bias that got Lando a stop and go penalty and caused Lewis to get a puncture after driving through broken glass? That British bias? What are you saying??
You do know they removed the double yellows immediately afterwards don’t you ? That is how dangerous the race director thought the mirror was…… until it was hit and totally altered the flow of the race. Yes Lando should have lifted but a 35 second penalty !?Especially given the circumstances.
@@mandst5466if you have watched F1 before you should know that penalties are not decided on circumstances and its a safety issue
And it hurts when you are used to bias in competitive sports when it suddenly gets fair
No one else complains as much as you guys
And you always are crying about something when the whole tv direction is also only favouring you people
Come on have some dignity and take on your chin like everyone else does it
I know its hard for you but deal with it
Sorry mister Peter ignore a double yellow flag because the fia fucked up is wrong. Max did it so he lost almost 1 sec in a close fight with Lando. Lando was almost in his gearbox.
I completely agree with your vision but you can not imply your vision into the current rules. That would be confusing. Their must be first a leadership change.
Double yellow is a safety issue Peter. They have/need to give this penalty. It’s not up to the driver to make the judgment if it’s safe.
Lando missed a very important safety signal. It’s harsh but it’s the standard penalty.
Out of everyone who provides analysis, I live for Peter’s because of his significant expertise as well as how level handed and fair it is. Thank you, Peter.
he's become a bit of a Lando fanboy though 😂
Lando again lost 18 points through his own fault. That puts the season total at 60ish. McLaren cost him way less.
Lando is the pet of Peter, even too many mistakes of Lando, he always give him a pass! lol
The funny thing about this whole story is that Russell is not mentally strong enough to win a championship. You only play the kind of dirty, underhanded games he plays if you don't think you can win in a normal way. And then you've already lost. Verstappen then. Who flatly says before the race that he is going to overtake Russell before the first corner. That is a huge mental difference.
What's even more funny is that if Russel angers Verstappen enough with his sneaky backhanded tactics, Max can tap Toto for a contract and George will be out of a job 😀
@@broyout3586 Ah, the irony would be delicious, wouldn’t it? George scheming his way into a corner, only to find Max strolling into the Silver Arrows garage like he owns the place. Toto handing him the keys while George watches from the paddock-poetic justice served hot and fast, just like Verstappen’s laps. 🚀👀
Max told him i gonna slipstream you and you don`t know if i gonna go left or right. But i beat you before turn one. HOLY SMOKE
HaHa! Thats true!@broyout3586
Count the number of times Verstappen received a penalty when the track signals weren't even working.
Verstappen even got a penalty on this track in 2021 when there was a single waved double yellow from 1 official 50 meters outside the track. One that no driver spotted because of it's position. And to make it worse, Verstappen was the only one that passed it under double yellow because it started as a single yellow. As a result he got penalized more harshly than anyone else.
Nothing about mitigating circumstances that day.
I don't even know what Windsor is babbling about mitigating circumstances here. He is referencing the safety car lights? How is that even remotely relevant? The penalty is clearly prescribed in the rules. Are you now suggesting they should throw it aside because you wanted to see a battle for P1? Make it make sense.
He is grasping at straws. This is what unconscious bias is. He said Lando hasn't made many mistakes like these. Just in brazil he jumped the lights , should have been at minimum penalty a 10 sec stop/go or a black flag. Marshall's , recovery vehicle and Stroll all were on the side of the track. Then on the restart ran wide, lost position , then again spun off the track and lost position again had to be led through by Piastri.
@@raghvendrapratapsingh2585 Well, Sainz did the same thing in Monza 2023. He drove away during an aborted start and wasn't penalized.
That's where the FIA makes it difficult on themselves. Obviously they didn't want to penalize Ferrari in Monza, but now they can't penalize anyone else for the same.
I don't really care that much about it. I don't want to see a race already ruined for a driver before it starts because of a silly mistake like that. And if you start enforcing that it predominantly affects the driver on pole. I don't think that would be fair either.
Yes!! The peter and cam duo is back! Fabulous interview. All the different opinions are great. Perspective is good for the sport.
Its not the point that the FIA dit it wrong ,the point is that lando should get of the gas. He don't have the race brain off M4X.
Peter is looking for excuses for Lando.
Yes. Double yellow is double yellow. Period.
Peter windsor is yet again a calm and rational mind in the entropic world of formula 1. I do not agree with peter 100% of the time, but I always respect him.
Peter is a different gravy. Always worth the entry fee
We can discuss if the yellow was wrong for debris on track, but can't change the fact that the driver doesn't have to slow down when it is double yellow. The driver can't judge the severity of the reason fo the yellow flag. Un populair, but it was one of the few coerent penalties given out at that race weekend.
How awesome would it be if Cameron could do post race interviews with the drivers.
I can dream can I?
Lando and George are always reporting other drivers so Max gave lando some pay back karma
@@murraydonaldson3646 there is a difference between reporting a driver for gaining an unfair advantage and reporting a driver out of spite. Lando ignoring the flags brought him closer which COULD have brought him into DRS range leading to an overtake. It was an unfair advantage gained through rulebreaking and so reporting it was fair.
Dont matter if u piss of max he will race even faster
I thought that was the goal of the penalty. The stewards wanted to make sure Max would win.
Yeah just like when he lost 11 races out of 12 in a row. I must have been calm then eh? ;)
He can't race faster than the car will allow. He'll just drive dirtier.
If George Russell played football you just know he'd be the guy grabbing his leg and moaning when no one got anywhere near him
Been waiting for this! Simply lovely…Peter is looking sparkly today 💫
Peter has true passion to be this motivated, articulate and mentally acute. He is 72 years old for Christ’s sake, and still has the energy and analytical skills he did 50 years ago. Mad respect.
The FIA is not 'making mistakes'. What they are doing is optimizing for viewer spectacle. They do that by fomenting as much drama as they possibly can, at the cost of any consistency of applying the rules. It's getting more ridiculous by the race, but that's where we're at. They don't favour any particular driver or team, they favour spectator engagement, the more polarizing the better.
And I am not sure I'm here for it, but I am not tuning out either. I guess their strategy works, at least partly, on me.
Derek Warwick was a FIA steward that race and should also be held responsible for that ridiculous post qualifying penalty. Windsor is claiming he is the competent one that should run F1? Then why can Derek Warwick not even be a sense of reason in the stewards room?
Because Peter is British and Derek is British. Racism at its finest.
@@FrancisFjordCupola Ridiculous argument. Derek Warwick is also owns a Honda Dealership and Red Bull run Honda.
It's a clear conflict of interest and the regulations state that you cannot be a steward with a conflict of interest.
Derek Warwick was on duty in Abu Dhabi too where the worst travesty to hit F1 took place.
Now, just to educate you further, being British isn't a race. So it's NOT racism. I mean how clueless do you have to be to think that it is?
All it is now is this need from Max fans to be anti-British. Those who think 1 British steward has more power than the other 3 non British stewards put together. Max fans are so out of touch with reality, it's vaudville.
The problem is that setting the precedent that drivers can use their own judgment when seeing double waved yellows is not right. If you see them you either act on them or get the default penalty. Simple.
Yes. The double-yellow is there to make sure they can react. Not debate and analyze.
I love to hear the both of you. When the British bias is so strong there are still people out there that did not lose reality. You are respectful and dead right on it.
Don’t worry about British Bias. Let them waffle. Honestly. Give it to em! Cause when Hamilton can’t keep up with Leclerc next season, it’s going to be HILARIOUS listening to the depression from all involved at Sky 🤣
@@vanbalzup6481just imagine Russell not being British 😂
The British bias is atrociously strong with Peter. Upping Derek Warwick while forgetting that guy was one of the stewards. Excusing Norris for safety infringements. It's insane.
Here is my problem with Peter's view on the Lando penalty:
The rules are the rules and they either apply to everyone or they apply to no one; you can't pick and choose when they apply. Maybe a slightly different scenario occurred, where Lando sped through the double yellows allowing him to get close to Max and then overtake him using DRS he gained as a result of breaking the rules. The rules have to be applied fairly, and one driver shouldn't be disadvantaged because he followed the rules and someone else didn't.
Peter thinks the FIA shouldn't have punished Lando and that it denied us an exciting race. Once upon a time there was a race director who chose to arbitrarily disregard the rules for the sake of on-track excitement. His name was Michael Masi and the result of that was one of the most controversial and divisive races in F1 history. When the talk is about consistency of decision-making throwing the rules aside for the sake of excitement wouldn't be a good look.
Peter thinks Lando should not be punished because Lando has the right passport.
@FrancisFjordCupola I prefer not to gp down that route. Peter has praised and criticised Lando and everyone else and I think it is a bit dismissive to imply British bias. Peter has his opinion and he has his reasons for that. I disagree with him for my own reasons, but nationality doesn't come anywhere into it in my opinion.
Masi didn't disregard any rules, the rules allowed for what he did. Brundle has spoken about this many times on the F1 broadcast, in Monaco 2015, and Brazil 2019 (iirc), Brundle says outright that it's not mandatory to let lapped cars pass, it's all at the discretion of the race director. And if the agreement between the teams beforehand in talks with the race director is to not finish under safety car, it is totally disingenuous for Mercedes to claim wrongdoing. I think you can read into this why Toto dropped it and didn't try to get it overturned, he had no leg to stand on.
So true
@@Selendeki to be honest despite much talk on the matter over the years I've never actually heard that. I just looked up more about it again it seems the problem was the wording and structure of the rules allowed some play in how they are interpreted. This is exactly why rules should be clear and simple - as is the case for failing to slow through double waved yellows.
Totally agree on Peter’s comments re: Carlos Sainz!!!!!! Carlos is a class act!
Too bad that he didn't mentioned that they punishment from Max is really odd since they also took away 1 point from his license. While Lando didn't lost even a point from the license for a bigger mistake. British bias in the 'ma'FIA is just so unfair.
Max saw it
Politicians and celebrities... It's not about the racing anymore.
I look forward to this weekly. Excellent interview, very informative.
Max saw the double yellow flags with no prior warning
Lando's penalty was maybe too harsh, but Max did slow down and knew the double waved yellow flag; so there is no excuse that Lando didn't know.
(The yellow-green-yellow was mistake by broadcast for tv, not on the road.)
Lando was so fixed on passing Max he was zoned out and missed the flashing lights. but he and George are always on the radio reporting other drivers so karma
It wasn’t too harsh. Ignoring double yellow has always been penalized with a 10 second stop and go. Very consistent if you ask me.
@@eddieanthonisse605 I agree that it wasn't too harsh, my main point was that it was always a penalty.
@@lmr4403 ... and who even believes that Norris did not see the flags? Come on.
@@FrancisFjordCupola Indeed, but if he saw them or not doesn't even matter; lack of awareness arguably makes it worse.
(Though several times lack of awareness by George has led to penalties for the other driver instead: e.g. Max and Fernando)
Max is hyper aware of double waved yellows is due to the fact that he got that same penalty in 2021 (I may have the year wrong) so he is more aware of that. Experience is the always the best teacher .
You two alone are great....together you two are excellent and offer great insights based on fact, knowledge and no bias....keep it coming guys!
As educational and edifying as ever, cheers
Agreed and liked. This controversy is now overdhading the whole weekend!
Another terrible take by Peter, the yellow flags worked because everybody else’s telemetry shows drivers coming off power, Norris fucked up. So just say so.
F1 owe a debt of gratitude to Masi for putting the F1 on the map
Love your posts!
One hour of Cameron and Windsor, you‘ve blessed us Sir!
We need them both weekly
Cameron and Peter, you are both goats 🤣🤣🤣…and both levelheaded…we need you both in F1!!!!
What I wish for the future?….well, I would like to see you 2 interviewing Max…just wishful thinking 🙏
Peter, you have access to Max…can you arrange an interview with him, together with Cameron? Please 🙏
Lando isn't sharp, Max was, that's the difference. The penalty was just following the rules.
To Peter’s point re: Lando penalty; fair enough it warranted a penalty but why did it take 14 laps before the penalty was communicated? Just read analysis and had they communicated timely, Lando would have re-entered in 7th place vs. the back of the grid.
THE GOATIEST OF THE GOATS!!! Like I said before, Peter really comes alive with you Cam. Keep'em coming brother.
F1 should use drones that can pick up debris. The technology is out there. Its also beautiful in Australia this time of year, 25-30 degrees every day for the last 6 weeks. Lando let wanting to beat Max override thinking about the constructors. It would be a shame if mclaren lost it. Out of George, Charl, Lando, Oscar i would say that Oscar has the most upside to challenge Max. Oscar still has 2 years to reach his peak but he will be better than the others by then.
I disagree with peter. An alternative championship is not impossible, especially with the cars so artificially limited in practically every aspect and such an outrageous amount of money involved.
Acute situational awareness is paramount when a fraction of a second can equate to disaster.
The best 2 f1 experts imho
Excellent video and takes both of you, Cameron and Windsor, once again.
PS: Stella at McLaren is a horrible hypocrite, can't stand the guy.
Thank you peter, at last someone who echos my own thoughts, without any utube social media hysteria .
He is a treasure this Windsor fellow alright. Very is pro racing and anti politics. I see very little bias in his comments, if any. Very knowledgable. Great to be able to hear his insights. Many thanks
Lawyers are the bane of human existence. 10:34
While I agree that the race direction was inexcusable a yellow was the LEAST they should’ve had, so Lando’s non lift was inexcusable as well. Lando wasn’t aware of the “mayhem”, we as viewers were. Peter’s suggestion of no penalty would’ve been the absolute worst thing to do in light of the idiocy from the stewards all weekend. It’s a straightforward rule and to ignore it - especially in the name of entertainment - would represent everything Peter hates about stewarding in modern F1.
Best line from Zero Dark Thirty… “Protocols ONLY work when they are followed.”
Looking at you… FIA.
Bluesky is full of weirdos
Lol I've got an acct, haven't been on it yet mind! I'll add to the weirdos I'm sure! 😂
Brilliant together as usual, modern day odd couple!
If you only add rules and never remove one, you end up in a situation where nothing can be done anymore (contradiction, overreach bureaucracy, conflicts of interests).
Legend PW
Well spoken Peter, money is killing the world, not only F1... 🙏
i wonder why with all the tech in F1 they cant make an airgun backpack like Ghostbusters to blow debris off the track so they dont have to pick it up
For the last two season I’ve felt that the FIA should reconfigure how qualifying is done. There has got to be a better way for one car to prep for a fast lap and have another car on a hot lap. And not have the problems with traffic or impeding other cars.
The real issue is with the intentionally bad tires and tire wear. Just remove the compulsory pitstop and let Pirelli make the best tires possible and just tell them they are supposed to last the whole race. One set of tires for each session. They can do that.
Ah, my 2 fave F1 commentators ❤
Not that I always agree with you… 😊
But in this case I agree on Max’ penalty. Also thought Lando’s penalty was OTT but you cannot / should not disregard that Lando made a mistake. And if you then decide to penalise him I don’t believe they had a choice: they had to give him the default double-yellow penalty. Whatever the circumstances
George just looks like the kind of kid who'd snitch on you in school for something trivial.
Peter you are SO wrong. Max's penalty was not 'fair' you say . Please... That penalty was not only fair but just and necessary. Max does crap like this EVERY race and gets away with it. Not this race , however. About time !
Heroes .... the 2 of you!!
I haven't heard this anywhere but now that I think of the whole situation with Lando.. McLaren, Sainz, LeClerc, Russell, Piastri AND Hamilton all made him lose a possible Championship. And unknowingly and unwillingly, they all helped Max win his 4th!!
Everyone kept stealing some points and wins here and there... But no one took wins away from Max. Whenever he had the speed he won, but by all taking wins... He still walked away with 9 wins this year. That's still miles ahead realistically.
There are very little things Formula fans agree on. Especially when it comes to penalties. But here Formula 1 fans are almost unanimous in concluding that this penalty was ridiculous.
This you also can't contribute to incompetence. The stewards tried everything to undo the outcome of qualifying and couldn't even figure out what the reason for the penalty could be. They just invented something.
You are only considering that Perez is not taking any points away from Verstappen, but you are completely ignoring that he doesn't take away points from the competition either. And you are ignoring that Perez is of no help to Red Bull's strategy.
Besides, if you put Piastri next to Verstappen I don't see Piastri taking away many points from Verstappen either. This season in a car that has been better than the Red Bull in the majority of races Piastri only managed to finish ahead of Verstappen 7 times.
Well said peter. Although one thing that f1 needs to win is to develop their cars and to develop they need money so its a vicious cycle.
Gasly the one to take on Verstappen? With all due respect, he is not a bad driver by any means, but are you having a laugh? He is 1,5 years older than Verstappen, was his teammate in the first half of 2019 and got completely destroyed. So much so that Red Bull replaced with a driver that only had 6 months of experience.
So, Peter Windsor believes a driver should face punishment for using his freedom of speech and criticizing a multi-billion dollar company in Pirelli? No institution or company should be immune to criticism.
Peter Windsor believes in British supremacy.
And max Verstappen he who’s name we don’t used. The greatest wizard Voldemort.
George is not in the same conversation as Charles, him max and Lewis and maybe Fernando are the elites on the grid
A bit too much - dare I say - arse-kissing in this episode Cameron
I agree with getting rid of the FIA. Every body wants to rule the world.
Why not a penalty for lando??
Max has gotten a panalty in qualify in Russia, 2021, when bottas crashed...
So lando should get a panalty.
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I wonder why Lewis got a 5 sec penalty for a starting infringement and Lando got only a fine for the greater starting infringement in Brazil????
Because Lando's was actually worse. That wasn't a start infringement. The start was aborted. Then you have to stay put. So they hushed it all under his British passport because the race wasn't yet started. Lewis made a clear false start. They have been giving +5 second penalties for those. I would prefer outright drive-throughs for those.
The greatest driver off the world is max Verstappen farrout the goat all time
The FIA has become an amateur club if you look at their decisions
You can't just let a penalty go because you made a mistake before . He shouldn't have been given such a harsh one though.
Too true it wasn't fair. It should have been a 3 place penalty as it is for everyone else.
The FIA seems not to be able to manage a good race at the moment, make controversial decisions and neglect to do their work correctly. I think that is partially due to the fact that competent officials have all been fired or have resigned. So there is too much pressure on the shoulders of the people who are still there. Maybe they are so nervous that they just can’t make good decisions.
The single only bad decision in the race itself was not calling out the safety car with the mirror situation. And they explained that; according to the rules the stuff wasn't on the racing line and a VSC would not give the space for a marshal to pick it up. Then Bottas got a blue flag, moved over out of the racing line and squashed the mirror. All the penalties in the race were very much deserved.
With the Russell - Verstappen situation, the stewards should have seen right through Russell's lies and penalized him for nearly driving into Max.
Let’s be real. Sainz is not like Hamilton. Sainz and Charles don’t work well, cuz they have taken a winning car and never won constructive champs. Lewis > Sainz. It’s that simple.
Can anyone be so kind to explain how a differential of 20km/h is deemed that safer?
The world is safety first, so pickup the mirror was never an option.
Will Zak give Sainz the bonus he would have got at Ferrari to bottle the win for Ferrari. 😂😎😉
If its "Lando No Risk" according to Cameron then it must be" Lewis Lost it " in the same vein surely eh! Cameron... Also M4X Faststappen
Dbl yellow is just that.......a penalty. Idk like Max but I respect him and the penalty was not warranted at all.
Mclaren is a great engineering team, but only a fair racing team.
Rules are rules Peter, disappointed with your view with Lando.
Double waved yellow on the straight.
Unbelievable that they left pieces all over the track. 6:35
Is Peter voice acting on Assetto Corsa . Swear I heard him on the mic
Just one driver at all doesn't lift at double yellows...
going to Maranello to silently start your bid for the WDC????
Nope, not at Ferrari
The problem is that no one with the power to make the call seemed to understand that the debris WAS on the racing line if you were trying to pass, breaking a toe, etc. Even if it’s not technically on what people usually mean by racing line (there are many different kinds depending on the situation) the stewards and race director should know enough to understand that the debris is exactly where many drivers will need to go and it’s not going to vanish, it’s going to shatter and make more debris from cars it hits and tires that puncture, early Kepler syndrome type stuff. They looked like idiots not because of the penalty, but because of the FIA’s decisions, which they had many laps to think about, were so poor. They don’t even know why they should be embarrassed, which is even more embarrassing. Like one loose part breaking other parts loose, these types of clueless behavior will have effects on the teams and races. Defiantly ignorant. Just like the man that put the new hires in place.
Lando has to be careful because Charles is very close to him
I'd say go Charles. Would be fun. Then Zak Brown can start to calculate: yes he finally acknowledged that Max can win championships with inferior cars. Zak's own minions could then not even end up as a runner-up to the champion with a superior car. He could then imagine how far he'd get with real drivers.
Im sorry but its karma, he has got away with so many penalties, hes due one especially in Quali, I remember him blocking the pit exit , which race Im not sure, 23' 24'and nada! from FIA. Inconsitencies from them Im guessing.
Windsor is an F1 Don but I wont follow his opinion blinkered.
And he still wins.
I think Peter should be ashamed of himself. He should know how dangerous the sport is. He should know that we do not have as much fatalities nowadays because of safety measures. Norris did not just ignore double-yellow in Qatar, Norris also drove on track during an aborted start in Brazil. The real best decision would be to revoke Norris' license entirely. He is a danger to himself and others. Instead for one thing he didn't get punishment and for the other he got the exact minimum in the rule book. It is UTTERLY INSANE to say Norris should not be penalized. It is typical British racism to excuse Norris.
Norris got his penalty a few laps late because the stewards first checked the telemetry of all the cars who saw double-yellow. But again, it is the fault of Norris. British bias as always. Should be ashamed.