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- Eurovision 2024 almost completely fell apart. Here's how it happened.
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As a Finn, I'm now happy that Käärijä came 2nd last year since that means Finland was saved from hosting this shitshow
Yeah indeed, and he is still a hero to this day!!
It was such a SONG. It certainly was something different! I liked it!
Sadly dude's a russophile.
Käärija and Joost Klein: legends forever!
Another russophile.
This wasn't a shit storm, this was a whole shit hurricane
Israeli song reference.
@@TheManInBlueFlames or Jim Lahey, Trailer Park Superintendant?
Eurovision was more gay this year than ever and i hated it
@@Sharknado225 womp womp
@@Sharknado225womp womp
REMOVE 👏 "MOROCCAN" 👏 OIL 👏 AS 👏 A 👏 SPONSOR!👏👏
When I first saw it as a sponsor I thought it was an oil company, like petroleum, but that’s maybe even worse honestly.
Why?
@@Adam-zw5sqBecause having as a general sponsor a company from one of the participating countries means conflict of interest. Being bound by a 5 year contract with that company means having to mind what they dictate or at least do what they expect. If that company is from Israel - which Moroccanoil is - the equation is writing itself. EBUs hands were tied this year due to their own stupidity to walk into this contract in 2020, that's why they couldn't suspend Israel from participating this year. The consequences are here and Mr Ö has some leaving to do, and the EBU management needs to reform the rules and never again have a general sponsor (at least not from any participating country), but many small ones from different countries.
@@Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa-db2ff when i first saw it, i assumed they were moroccan
their contract expires this year 🔥🔥🔥
In Slovenian news today:
"TV Slovenia wants from the EBU precise data on how the Slovenian audience voted, as well as additional explanations regarding the exclusion of the Netherlands, the ban on EU flags, the potential influence of the sponsor on the content of the event and the meaning of the "rest of the world" vote.
RTV Slovenia also calls for reflection on ways to more effectively include the opinion of EBU members in the future.
In addition, the Portuguese radio and television announced that due to the arbitrary behavior of the EBU, which uploaded to the official channels a recording of the performance of their representative Iolanda from the semi-final, instead of the final performance (because she had her nails painted in the Palestinian national colors in the final), and that with a delay of almost an hour, asked the organization for an extraordinary meeting. The representatives of the broadcasters of Norway, Spain, France and Croatia are also expected to support their request."
Meangless countries
Fantastic. Let them all never give peace to EBU until they concede to make fundamental changes to the management and rules. Also, yes, the EBU members need to be involved in major decisions.
Good on them. I hope other broadcasters join them.
So Portuguese radio wants the EBU to give them explanations why there were consequences to their representative... breaking the rules? What era of stupidity do we live in?
Slovenia is a boring country with now big gay parades. It should be quiet when true wastren countries speak.
this year I have post-ESC relief, not depression
Same it's such a strange feeling because every year I'm so sad when it's over and start counting down the days until Eurovision season starts up again.
This year caused me so much secondhand stress that when it was over and Nemo won I felt so much relief but left with this hangover (which didn't come from alcohol but the show itself)
you're here in the comment sections too????
@@bowl23273 I’m everywhere :)
Talk for yourself sweetheart ❤
I think I had during-ESC depression🙃
Also the fact that the European Commission filed a report against the EBU for the banning of the European flag 🇪🇺 really escalates the situation
Edit: sorry I changed my wording there hopefully most people knew what I meant 😅
WHat???
imagine banning the European flag in EUROvision
it's so freaking funny istg. like how bad do you have to f up for the EUROPEAN COMMISSION to file a report against you 😭😂😭😂😭😂
For real?
And they answered "we didn't ban the EU flag, we just didn't allow it"
This year was a prime example of "they made their bed, and now they have to lie in it."
ESC 2024: F**k Around and Find Out
I really hope RTP (Portugal) doesn’t let this shit go. We celebrated the 50th anniversary of a revolution that took us out of a fascist government (that lasted 40 years) and gave freedom of speech just 3 weeks prior the shit show ESC was.
If everyone was already on edge over the humanitarian problems, when you add the bending of rules and reality to accommodate a certain discourse, this year of all years, I really hope they give EBU hell honestly.
Edit: like some commenters said bellow, it’s was a dictatorship.
Sorry for the miscommunication. Unless you’re Portuguese, you probably wouldn’t figure that out.
But since my comment is about freedom of speech, humanitarian problems and distortion of information, my point stands the same.
Congratulations on your 50th anniversary of independence from fascism, and your newly affirmed right to free speech. Hope they give the EBU hell, too!
So let me get this straight. You are celebrating free speech in Portugal, and by that you are complaining that a young woman was not permitted to celebrate a totalitarian, segregationist government with a genocidal founding principle that shuts down free speech, murders homosexuals and enforces segregation, while encouraging the isolation of a democracy and the punishment of an innocent individual over it...?
lol we never had fascism in Portugal
@@skurinski /s... right???
Ok everyone, you’re right.
Yes I didn’t explain myself well: it was a dictatorship. Our dictator was inspired by fascist regimens BUT the politics weren’t heavily race oriented. I guess this is important in the sense, even during that, Portugal was an escape route for Jews in WW2.
Is that ok?
As a Dutch ESC fan, this year was just...so depressing. I'm honestly glad it's over
Same, I was literally scared during Friday night because of what was happening and after it was done I was relieved that it was over, fuck the EBU
I feel your pain.
@@nick_5791_GRso real. I couldn’t sleep at all tbh. Was checking my phone constantly at work Saturday but felt weirdly relieved when the news came to be (like, it’s over, finally!)
I hope that if the Netherlands decides to not participate next year, my country follows their example.
@@bobthebox2993 Belgium has already confirmed their participation though iirc
I'm 99.99% sure that Rai revealing the televote results was NOT a mistake.
it's hard to explain, but basically, the graphic that was used to reveal the SF2 televoting results was one that had NEVER been used in the past to reveal televoting results (and it wasn't ever used again, not even in the final). in fact, it was in the same style as the other generic "lower-third" banner type graphics used, for example, in the credits at the start of the show. it's very plausible to think that a very brave Rai employee must have put this graphic together in a couple of minutes and """""accidentally""""" displayed it at the end of the show.
Rai obviously came out and said that the graphic displayed "incomplete data", but we still "gave" our 12 televoting points to Israel, so they still probably lead the televote results by a massive margin.
I just thing that Italy being a big five and having a reputation of being somewhat clumsy or disorganized were one of the very few who could have done it. And they did.
It wasn't accidental. That's just naive. RAI saw that the Israeli machine was buying up simcards and using bots to buy the contest. These results were posted as a warning to the rest of Europe. I'm sure this part explains Israel's surprisingly poor jury result .
I completely concur, RAI was warning everyone
I said the same thing the moment I saw it! that was a warning
Not all heroes wear capes. Some heroes are Italian broadcasting employees and we love them dearly.
As a Dutch fan, (IMO): Don't give us the auto-qualification. Instead, AVROTROS and the Dutch Delegation should not participate in the contest until 2026 at the minimum (as a protest for this year). This year has been so traumatic, I don't think anyone wants to be part of an event like this.
The disqualification of Joost and the entire situation around it caused such a painful experience and a sour taste in the mouths of the Dutch viewers. No-one knew anything until the last moments of the event and we still don't have the full story!
Think the bigger problem is: who will we send.. no one in his right mind would want to.
Maybe you are right, maybe skip a few years, come back when it has settled a bit, for us, and the ebu.
or just send a "political filled" entry 😉
@@driekeijlders281 we should sent a parody act. With a song called fuck the ebu, or as close to that as the rules allows. Yes it will probably not qualify but it is about sending a message
I'm in Oz the land down under sooo upset by Joost;s disqual..
the fact that avrotros has given a consistent story, plus statements whereas the ebu have not given a consistent narrative nor a statement nor even bought it up, tells me everything. also like i understand bias but i also understand tone, and maas wouldn’t have said f the ebu on national tv if joosts dq was worthy of a dq.
This is the first year I felt mentally and even physically drained, starting from thursday evening. And I'm just a random viewer sitting at home. I can't imagine how it must have been being in Malmö. I don't think people can have another edition like this... I can't grasp how they made almost all worst decisions possible making everything backfire.
Honestly same, didn't think I'd write a way longer comment under yours, but here we go. I've never felt so stressed mentally and physically after watching Esc from home and I've done it for 14 years. I was generally happy tuesday to thursday and once all the drama came to light and everything happened I couldn't stop scrolling socials for updates or focus on my life outside the bubble. I cried at one point and overthought a lot for the affected contestants and was in moral shock of Israel actually doing very well with the voting. That feeling ended up affecting other things in my life as well and my general well being. In Malmö it must've been HORRIFYING. I'm just relieved Nemo won and huge respect for all the artists who all managed to put on great performances despite the havoc and lifted my mood up even just a little bit in the final. If this also happened to anyone else, remember to take extra good care of yourselves in the time moving forward, take a deep breath, give yourself a hug and enjoy the summertime.
@@andi01452I could have written this as it describes my experience. It has been truly horrible. I’m having trouble disconnecting from it so I need to work on that. Much love from me to you and anyone else who has suffered as a result of something which was meant to bring joy, not misery ❤️
@@andi01452 I was so stressed on the day of the final, I mowed the lawn by choice just to not think about what happened.
I know the feeling. It was a relief in the end that I didn't have a party - cos various friends were busy elsewhere, it was just me and my bf. Right up to the show, I wasn't sure it'd be on, and I was rooting for Ireland, so if they hadn't turned up, I'd have switched off there. And I'd been having a rough month, so the Eurovision S***show Contest was not the experience I was looking forward to as a relief from the pressure. Much like Silvester Belt, I wished it had ended on Tuesday. And I also felt a sadness thinking that if it was actually held in Israel, I'd have to find a new hobby for 2025. And I've been watching since I was a 90s kid, so that'd be quite a task.
@@zenit0deffo stressed on the day, just to keep up with what was happening.
as a dutch ESC-fan, this eurovision season has been wild. the double standards, lack of communication, and facist-like tactics to suppresses dissenting voices were absolutely shocking to witness
I guess people should have paid better attention to when Martin Osterdahl completely disregarded Romanian jury vote, took them out of the live, and he presented some made up numbers by himself. Since then Romania does not participate any more invoking lack of budget. But everybody knows it's their way of saying 'Fuck the EBU'
Yeah, it was dictatorshiplike
I cannot see what you are saying. Joost was reported to the fucking police. Did anyone else get reported? No. So where is the double standard? Get over it.
I didn't watch it and voted btw I am Dutch
@@emilybakker3742 not 1 cent went to the ebu from me
I need therapy after Eurovision
Everybody does
I spent my last session talking only about eurovision
The drama…
Even the therapy needs therapy from Eurovision
Snow flake
It's just so jarring to see the Ebu destroy the contest we love.
Hard fact : it's the EBU's product. They can do what they like with it and you can decide to stop watching
The destruction was made by a portion of the fandom most of which did it for Tik-Tok likes and nothing else.
Most those fans exclaiming from the river... and genocide don't know what river , what sea, where is all of that on a map and what the word genocide even means.
Nor do they understand the politics, military tactics and geo-strategy behind it all.
The proof is easy, just a few months ago Azerbaijan expelled the whole Armenian population of the Qarabagh - 150k people and there wasn't a squeak in the 2nd semi-final when they performed. Probably wasn't on Tik-Tok trends.
Those fakes about Israel's involvement in the Joost Kleine debacle also came from Social media and Tik-Tok.
My suggestion is before you go crazy because of a Tik-Tok trends research the subject properly from all sides. Also understand that nothing trends on Tik-Tok without the approval of the Chinese Communist Party , one of the most repressive entities on earth and with world-wide geopolitical ambitions.
Also understand the booing as part of a crowd or spreading Tik-Tok trends isn't courage. Courage is when you are ready to face consequences like going to actual warzones to distribute aid.
As a Swedish citizen, EBU wasn’t the problem this year and neither Israel. It was the Europeans and ESC community who basically stormed into our country and created chaos. Full of hate. Everyone (including the artists) knew exactly what they signed up for. They knew it before they went to Malmö, and we all knew that it wouldn’t change. Still both artists and fans travelled to Malmö. Artists broke the rules of the competition several times and STILL, they were allowed to be part of the competition. If there’s one thing I’m sceptical about with EBU, then it’s that they weren’t stricter and gave artists consequences. These artists don’t even care about the problem. Because WHY would they want to be part of a song contest that’s organised by EBU? When they’re claiming that organisation “support genocide & violated human rights”? WHY do the artists want to use Eurovision’s platforms to market themselves by showing their faces on their social media platforms? Why do they want people to vote for them to win, as the money is going to EBU? I said it day 1 and I still say it. These artists don’t care about the issue, they capitalised the issue for their own gain. In the same way they’re capitalising on getting marketing on Eurovision’s big platforms. They care about their image, nothing else.
@@shlomomarkman6374 Must feel bad that they managed to beat your entry even with a 1.5 mil thumb on the scale, huh?
@@williamdfr1715if they continue the same it’s the beginning of the end,,it’s a I don’t see, hear or see. It’s ALL of those OTHER countries fault. It’s not me… no ofcourse not. Even though many of those countries such as the Netherlands, UK, all held the Eurovision without these issues
Käärijä was another victim of secret filming and a clip of him dancing near Eden Golan was posted on her IG. Käärijä had to repeatedly ask for it to be removed, until it was finally taken off the page.
They they attempted to say he was dancing with Eden to push their agenda when that wasn't the fact at all and he request it got deleted and they didn't
It wasn't secret, he literally was the near the camera lol
But shame on the pro-palis for harassing someone just for dancing with an Israeli
@@triola3983 no one harassed kaarija he is a national treasure
Kaarija was harrassed my the pro hamas crowd for dancing with an israeli girl. This is the actual story here
@@mo4848 proof and source darling?
Martin Österdahl You're Good To Go
If there is any justice in the universe, he would think "I'm too old for this shit!"
@@perjusNah, if there was any justice, he should be thinking "I have terrible judgment and should never show my face in public ever again."
@@verenabecker2724 If there was any justice, we'd learn what dirt Israel has on him
Love this comment 😂
Oh, Jon Ola Sand just replied, he said “Take him away”
I can't believe No Rules! was a prophetic song
Even before seeing this video, all the comments I saw from the artists were filled with uneasiness. It really made me think - do I even want us to send anyone next year if this is the environment they have to deal with?
also Zorra playing while Eden was breaking down in the greenroom was weirdly funny
@@sarahenchanted huh? is there a clip somerehwere?
Their answers were so generic.. you wondered why even have a press conference? It’s clear they were instructed what or what not to say. Which all due respect, we should be living in free countries or so I thought we were. I would love to wacht zorra too btw. Was it in the half final?
The way he always sang something in between "this is my time. my stage / my state". And of course the "see me slay".
They knew what they were doing;) The icelandic accent was only that strong for that one word.
@@Mozzarella-and-Tomato Icelandic?
You know its huge when EU literally called the EBU out and every second broadcaster has complained about EBU and this years Eurovision, not to mention that many countries might want to quit, especialy the Netherlands
so many people have spoken out against how toxic the backstage environment is, and not just this year; S10 has recently made a statement regarding how stressful esc was for her. what gets me worried about it is this is what we see from the adult version... but what about JUNIOR eurovision? these are kids we're talking about - it breaks my heart to think about how they could be mistreated. i just hope the ebu gets all their shit together, starting with firing martin österdahl 😊
Well, there is a reason the nordic countries (who started the damn thing) all withdrew from Junior Eurovision almost two decades ago.
I have an idea: If you can't handle stress, don't participate in things like Eurovision 🤷🏻 If you do, don't complain.
I beg to differ. It was 95% a bin fire. Osterdahl getting boo'd was a highlight though.
Well it was a highlight, but people actually getting to hear the actual booing for Israel would have been even better... And much more honest.
Germany had the fitting staging for that bin fire. Probably helped getting us up to 12!
@@Shileah Lol indeed Germany was having bin fire.
Hey it was a good song, much love from Scotland x
@@ShileahWell done Germany. 12 points from your friends here in the UK ❤
Somebody could write an award-winning spy story on the events of the 10th and the 11th of May
We all know that there's a certain author who writes spy stories, and hopefully he'll have plenty of free time to start this job soon enough.
As a writer myself, I wouldn't dare to stick even my little toe into that snake pit!
you mean Shin Bet and Mossad which were present in Malmö? lol
@@Eva-mp7xgAbsolutely, last year i read dinner for two, and i liked its writing style
Mossad filming potential terrorist sympathizers.
I'm dutch so I can tell you, public opinion is we will not be returning next year. Private broadcaster RTL ran a poll that ended up with 65% no, 28% "only if Joost represents us" and 7% yes
The Dutch broadcaster should organise a Europapa Song Contest to directly compete with Eurovision.
Not a big problem, we can go on without your country.
@SergioPitarch Of course you're one of them 🤑
@@SergioPitarch jew
Update: Joost literally made a dis-track towards Eurovision called Luchtballon. Happy hot air balloon day!
Not protecting creative people that are quite often neurodivergent and traumatized. Is a thing we should really look into. Cancelling people for single misstakes where there is no pattern in that behavior is simply a step too far.
Completely agree. I'm a neurodivergent creative person myself & I think we definitely need to be more vigilant about protecting those us
completely agree. i am also a BOT beep boop
It goes beyond Joost, they allowed all of the artists and press to get bullied by one countries delegation. The delegation clearly wanted Joost banned and they found a way to do it. And if they would’ve let what happened with Joost slide they would’ve tried to find another way to get him out.
I agree but is this related to anything about this video or are you a bot
Why would I be a bot lmao.
the booing for israel’s performance was actually loud enough to hear on tv if you had the volume up! me and my friend both heard it, but it wasn’t as loud as when martin was talking
I think they were using 'something' to mute the booing during performance.
I'm like 90% sure that they didn't expect the boos for Martin, so they didn't have their technology ready. Really similar to when the [redacted] jury came on to give their points.
@@ohmmegag5056 I was thinking that maybe it's harder to apply the technology when somebody's talking, as opposed to music and singing. But your explanation makes a lot of sense.
And it helped the entry.... not very smart thinking
I heard it too!! And yet they magically "managed" to get 300+ votes and the artist from Netherlands that spoke against the singer of Israel was thrown out of the contest. And yet, nobody talked about the Israel singer making fun of the victims of Palestine. Bc yeah, she was the "victim", bc she had to be in her luxury hotel room all the time, during the contest and she got amazingly and out of nowhere votes that made Israel be at the top of Eurovision, she is the "victim" and not the kids that are dying in Palestine.
All your comments about petra mede are 100% accurate. No one could have steered this sinking ship like she did
She is an actress and i think she was prepared.
Imagine standing there, having to carry this trainwreck … Takes balls!
Her back hurt for trying to save the contest by herself.
In general, I'm sorry for the Sweden. They're good hosts, and all their effort got stumped on by EBU giving princess treatment to one specific privileged delegation
@@almamater489 svt deserved more respect. they tried their best hosting the contest on a tight budget but got stabbed in the back by ebu
as a neurodivergent person, if youre doing something that has been communicated to not do to me, you are asking me to snap at you.
since when is joost neurodivergent though. he has ptsd, that's something different.
@@demi3115 people can have ptsd and autism LMAOOO
@@Roy-nm4nqjoost has autism?😭 lmao what
I personally haven't seen anything that suggests he's autistic but he has at least one song (life story) where he talks about having bpd as well; both ptsd and bpd could be considered as being neurodivergent, there's not a clear consensus on this yet but it's not an uncommon 'opinion' in the academic world either.
I have autism and adhd and have been misdiagnosed as bpd in the past. Most people wouldn't consider me autistic, the presentation of autism in adults with average and above average inteligence, especially those with coexisting adhd is far from the stereotype of an autistic person. New reasearch sugests that the symptoms associated with bpd very ofter occur in adhd-ers who developed destructive coping mechanisms.
After a week has past I must say, that beside all that shitstorm: songwise 2024 was maybe the best year ever. And the performances had been incredible good.
The songs and performances this year were indeed amazing. So for this horrendous shitshow to go down in what should have been one of the best years ever was particularly devastating.
Sadly, they were overshadowed by everything else.
Only Israel' song, performance and choreography was good!
@@labradoriteatheart a lot of songs were good
@@labradoriteatheart not even pretending
This year was fucking traumatizing especially as a Dutch fan
I'm Greek and even I was traumatized by this shit 😭 the drama surrounding it completely ruined the contest for me this year. I hope the Netherlands will automatically qualify next year (if you participate that is) it's honestly so outrageous how the Dutch delegation got fucked over and the EBU didn't even do anything about Israel.
Me too 😭
This was the worst contest ever! Eventually I am glad that Finland didnt get to host this shit show
Joost is the winner of hearts forever!
Awful. Would be a so incredibly sad if the Netherlands doesn’t take part. Was also relieved the artists all made it out in one piece - it’s clear they’ve had a nightmare.
Awful stuff.
I think the finns can finally forgive us for not winning last year, because they really dodged a bullet…
I do agree at least Petra kept the show together.
It's not really dodging just a bullet, it was dodging a NUKE.
As a finn this was excatly what I had on my mind 😅
Thank you Loreen🙏
Do you follow Finnish news over there? That's literally the wording of an article on YLE, the Finnish broadcaster.
It was a blessing in disguise
Martin Osterdahl has to resign. He is responsible for this shitshow - that was largely forseeable.
Nope. It's not Martin, it's the mon--ee of their sponsor.
When you are paid, to shut up when they say.
@@MultiSky7Martin signed that sponsorship contract in 2020 and put the ESC "no-politics policy" in the hands of an isreali company and EBU's independence down the drain. It's a conflict of interest to have as a general sponsor a company from one of the participating countries, especiall from one that's famous for meddling in every aspect of life and furthering their political interest by all available means.
Probably won't happen as he's responsible for more than just Eurovision but Noel Curran should go too.
No, it's the Muslim hate which needs to be gone by the next Eurosong, if this competition is to survive.
I wouldn't be surprised if the netherlands withdraws. Hope other countries follow suit if the ebu don't change their ways
Throughout history, many countries have withdrawn from the competition. A significant number of Eastern/Southeastern European countries are not there because they know that they do not have equal treatment.
People, who have never watched Eurovision, boasting on UK radio that they voted specifically for one country.
Is this really the kind of people the EBU wants to attract I wonder? Or do they not care who gives them money as long as they get money? :/
yep, i think the ad campaign spread to the daily mail too - i don't read it ofc but i checked afterwards and they were stanning eden, lots of positive articles + interviews. the daily mail is not usually a paper that likes esc
And what makes you think all those who tried to tactically vote against that specific country are true Eurovision fans? Like as if you even need "advertising" to hate on them?
In Finland all the vocal alt-right & conservative Christian politicians posted massive pro-Isr recommendations to vote. The most popular explanations were: 1) fck the lefties, 2) fck the woke 3) poor Isr. "I've never watched ESC, but now I MUST vote." It was massive campaign. CONGRATS to Nemo, Baby Lasagna, Jerry Hall & Alyona Alyona, Slimane, Bambie Thug, Angelina Mango, Ladaniva, Marcus & Martinus & Iolanda. And Joost!
@@didaididai207 Yes, they would normally be saying that the ESC is an outrageous waste of hard-working taxpayers' money, by Jove, and to scrap the BBC licence.
Gabe diserves a honorary medal for the work he did this season
Yes, the ha mas propaganda ministry is ready to reward him for his excellent work in the Eurovision community. If he keeps working like that, he might share the biggest prize one day with Al Jazeera.
@@triola3983a Zionist recurring to the “victim” card? Groundbreaking.
@@triola3983 Well he spoke facts, what are we gonna do. Israel is already known for lying everywhere they appear.
@triola3983 - gaslight, gatekeep, broadcast. We know what *your* broadcaster, government, police and military are doing well enough!
@@kate804 lmao cry more
This year was absolutely trashfire, I knock a wood and say that next year can’t do much worse. But my vindictive part of myself believes this was karma (Yes I’m Finnish and Yes it’s childish)
Hey, it's for the best - imagine hosting this shtshow!
Runner up is the new winner. Trust me: our Baby Lasagna did us all a favour by not winning 😂
When AVROTROS clarified what had happened, I figured that the EBU had tried to bury the backstage problems by scapegoating Joost. Kniwing just how bad it got, and that AVROTROS' complaints preceded the DQ only strengthens that theory.
I don't know about that but I could see how he would have been on edge. How stressful it must have been.
As dust slowly settles on this edition's mess the realisation slowly sinks in. This messy season needs some kind of closure (and I don't think only about videos by creators) but as the days pass by there is less and less hope for any systemic changes in and around the contest ie. communication, politics, rules, crisis management (the lack of it) etc. Sooo - the next year(s) we may see less countries taking part and the same amount of problems (or even more).
Nah, these kinds of changes take time. It's definitely not guaranteed, but we can hope that they will happen. Plus, I'm sure the EBU won't want a shit show next year on home turf, hopefully?
or the change could be, for example, the change of the general sponsor
The ONLY way of change, is if we the people, say we want one. Either we boycot, and countries should really think hard if it’s even worth it.
Which is so sad, because this contest's sole reason was for EUROPE to COME TOGETHER!!!
But enemies of our community and democracy really did a number on us all. Imagine how much suffering this all caused people across the whole of Europe. Someone did imagine this, and went through with it.
To keep eurovision alive, all countries should participate next year, Israel get permanently banned (removing the Israelis from the top executives of ESC), and Morrocan oil removed as sponsor. It is the only way not for ESC to crumble.
@@Mozzarella-and-Tomato well that is not happening. They renewed their sponsorship with Morocanoil
You have no idea how much it hurt to watch the final as a Dutch fan, all the jokes were not landing. Then that awful EBU song praising Martin Boo-his-face came on. I literally got a bad stomache ache from watching the finals, it hurts that much.
For the first time in a long time the Netherlands basically 100% stood behind their entry. We ARE so proud of Joost and we were extremely excited to see him in the final. And they took it from him, us and all the fans too without any transparency. AT THIS TIME with the info we currently have, it still feels like it's something that could've been handled backstage with a apology from both sides.
And I rather not talk about the Israel Palestine situation, but I'm gonna do it anyway. I think both sides have flaws, but I can 100% agree that Israel should've not been at Eurovision. And the way they behaved was absolutely disgusting.
I still cant watch Joost’s performance now, because it hurts so bad.. but I will get over it when justice is done. I will be fine. For now, Im streaming on Spotify his song continuesly 😊to support him. He is our baby💙
German neighbour here. I'm still so shocked and so sorry for you in NL! And for Joost, oc! I'm still in love with ,,Europapa", I'm still listening to it. I was 100% sure he would win this thing. I honestly believe there was something going on. Maybe someone who payed the camera woman to keep filming Joost ... Idk. Something feels off. The disqualification felt/feels so wrong. I really hope there will be justice. However it will turn out. Sorry for my english btw. I was rooting for NL and I wish you and Joost the best ❤
I think Joost was getting too big. The Israeli delegation did everything they could to get him out. Probably the biggest concurrent in their eyes. (Keren Peles) got the job to do so.
@@jolandaspiegelenberg5130Not everything is Israel’s fault lmao. They had nothing to do with it
I also want to mention all the hate that Silvester got by everyone because of his statement. Every single post that was mentioned about him since mentioned how he "
had only said this because he wanted a better result." And
"he got a taste of his own medicine" but if he wanted a better result, then WHY DID HE SAY HE WISHED IT ENDED AT THE SEMIS??????? So many artists suffered this year. None of them deserved this.... I hope there are some DRASTIC changes to the contest so that it can live on....
Gåte got that treatment too. 🙁
I agree. The army should have been sent to remove all the "protesters" that were threatening security everywhere. And the jeering public should've been removed from the semi-finals onward. Sylvester shouldn't have to have paid for their virtue signalling, nor any of the other contestants who were drawn into the drama by the handful of jerks who couldn't behave like adults.
@@murderoustendencies that's right.
He came 10th with the public, so these losers who're accusing him of being a cry baby and bitter about his results probably don't even know his actual placements. Also, this person's logic is lacking because if he is bitter about his results, then why does he wish to have stayed in the semi? But there's many trolls and bots out there. No, he just felt uncomfortable with getting on stage after Israel, with boos still audible before he entered it.
@@murderoustendencies The army? Man, how glad I am that you are not in charge....
Nothing will change as long as Moroccanoil is the main sponsor of the event. It is an Israeli company cosmetics company based in Tel Aviv, nothing to do with Morocco.
Hm. Surprised it isn't actually Moroccan
Sounds like Mihoyo, who are Chinese but chose a Japanese sounding name.
Not only that, they also approve of their right-wing government.
I find it so weird that Eurovision's main sponsor is a company called Moroccan Oil.
Just seems like there's too many things wrong with it
Sounds like b.s.
Hear Hear! Don't stop speaking out before the EBU becomes another Fifa
too late for that 😞
wait, is it "hear, hear!" or "here, here!"? either would work
@@Xeorboom It's "hear, hear!" but yeah the other option could work if you were trying to alert someone to your location.
@@XeorboomIt is “Hear, hear”, but if you’re in the House of Commons, then it’s “Reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeer”
Or Olympics
Hot take from a Dutch fan: a lot of this started when Russia got banned. If you ban one country because of a political situation, you've made the entire contest political and now everyone who doesn't like another country wants to see them banned or disqualified too. "United by music". Right.
So shall we also ban every country that has ever been involved in conflict, even if they are the ones being attacked and invaded?
@@huaiwei Yes we should ban participants that have their song denied twice for political reasons to the point where a political leader of that country decided to step in. Also you got the last part wrong, Ukraine still participates. It's only Russia thats been banned. Also Liverpool are a shitshow, you choose to support the worst club in England and then you decide to spit out terrible political opinions. Im very lucky I dont know you in real life
Russia was banned for not having free public service media. That is the actual technical reason.
@@k.j.hulander2204 From the Guardian, shortly after Russia invaded Ukraine: "The Eurovision chief has said Russia’s ongoing ban from the international song contest has been hard but the event should stand for “the basic and ultimate values of democracy”."
The EBU is not politically neutral if they deem themselves the arbiters of democracy and ban countries for going against their political values.
@@DylanNes the EBU here refers to Russia’s lack of democracy in the sense of free public service media. That is the basis for its exclusion. Israel for all intents and purposes is a sovereign state that is defending itself against aggressors. Almost all countries in Europe have come out in Israel’s support on that issue. Everything else is just feelings at this point. Maybe if Israel are convicted of genocide things may change. But upset fans and artists are getting ahead of themselves.
I decided pretty early on I would boycott ESC this year but after all the random bits of news I've seen I just had to come investigate what exactly went down and... Wow. EBU just decided to self-destruct, huh? I'm really struggling to see how this could be salvaged any time soon, my condolences to Switzerland for inheriting this shitshow 😬
The consensus in Finland seems to be that we dodged a bullet by not hosting this year. Good luck to Switzerland indeed
23:07 Thank you for acknowledging Joost as a neurodivergent. Something one country is trying to mock at. Ableists!
cornald in the thumbnail i am cackling
Didn't he call Osterdahl 'wonder boy' or something like that. It's funny but it's really not funny if you know what I mean?
@@macalauresmuse honestly no clue. haven't really involved myself in the festival since 2021 because of israels involvement and i also boycotted this year.
if that's true then that's tragically ironic
Yes he did at the show after he got booed@@macalauresmuse
@@macalauresmuse Yes, very sarcastically while Osterdahl was being booed.
@@macalauresmuse Salty Cornald was a treat
Absolutly brillant video. EBU is rotten to the core. They can join the IBA, FIFA and the IOC. Money has destroyed them all...
I'm glad for your summary because I can't even explain it on one go anymore there's so much shit here.
The hypocrisy of zero tolerance is just ridiculous.
I've been watching Eurovision since I was a child and this contest has given me so much joy and hope. I'm not exaggerating when I say that some days, the only thing that kept me going was knowing that Eurovision would be in a few weeks and that I have something to look forward to and to keep going for. But this year... I can't explain it in any other way than my heart breaking in real time. It may sound a little naive, but it felt like the moment you realise that adults are anything but perfect and that you'll never be able to fully trust again (I know, never trust coorporations, lesson learned). I just don't think I'll ever be able to watch the contest with the same joy again, especially not if the EBU fails to clean up the mess that they have produced. I originally planned to go to next year's edition for the first time ever, but at this point I'm not even sure if I'm going to watch it
same here
100% all this. If this is not cleaned up in the most delicate way, Eurovision will never recover. Heartbreaking.
I feel you!
I fully support everything written. I will never again feel the genuine excitement that happened during the voting. Now I know that the result is pre-arranged and that political games are destroying the essence of this competition. I'm so sorry, because it was one of my favorite things. Now, unfortunately, only a bitter memory.
I was going to write, almost exactly the same comment you did!!
long live Eurovision, fuck the EBU
Other way around I'm afraid, Eurovision is the EBU's product and they can do what they like with it
@@williamdfr1715 but EBU is just an organisation, while Eurovision has a huge brand value and it's been so for decades. It would be really stupid to waste that
@@anabltc I understand, but again technically speaking the brand Eurovision is very different to the Song Contest and would survive without it. Anyhow, it's TV, a medium of the past. Don't know what country you are in, but think of department stores. Did we ever think that Woolworths, Debenhams, Hertie, V&D would not be there ? Brands aren't eternal
@@williamdfr1715 i don't see any benefits messing up esc like that, i'd say it still sponsor money that gave them no choice.
My summary of this year’s Eurovision is: fuck the EBU, but viva Rai 2. When that televote result came out, I was in Euroclub, having dipped in and out of the press centre that week and witnessed (and heard anecdotally) some awful shit. That was when I realised that was enough for one ridiculous year. I took that early flight that you contemplated because I’ve learned to put my own mental sanity first as a neurodivergent person, and it was so difficult and sad to watch the safe space I’d been so proud to have been a part of since I was 7 years old turn into the epicentre of an international crisis. I’m not a conflict journalist, I do this for fun out of my own pocket.
With any hope, there will be reprisals for this utter cockup. Maybe Netflix could commission a documentary. “Surviving Malmö: A Week in Eurotrash”. Or something to that degree. I have stories, I’m sure many people do, not to mention the artists and delegations who were affected. Does anyone have any production / journalist contacts?
i don't, but i would pay good money to watch that documentary
It would've been my first Eurovision on location. I stayed home. I'd definitely read a book of collected experiences of this years ESC, or maybe a master thesis...
Why are you angry at Viva Rai 2!, a show presented by Italian comedian Rosario Fiorello?
@@marcopolo1528 Sorry, didn’t make that clear: I’m thanking Rai 2 for publishing the results and basically becoming kingmakers. Probably should’ve uncapitalised the “Viva” to make it more obvious - I love Rai 2 and Viva Rai 2 is one of the most oddly hilarious things I’ve ever seen 😂
The only fun part of this years Eurovision was the panic in Martin Österdahls eyes when he had to announce the Dutch jury points. And the obvious love the artists had for each other. For once the online ESC fans were united no matter which country they were from
All the artists really did their best and kept their heads as high as possible, despite being victims of unsolicited filming
Yes the artists seemed lovely to each other and I'm glad they all got along❤
I actually anticipated to defend the Israeli delegation but after what you have described, they behaved unacceptably. Why in the world were there no consequences for them? I truly hope this will be corrected by next time.
This year was a fever dream, uhm I mean fever nightmare
More excited for this video than I was for the grand final
In my opinion, there is exactly one course of action that EBU can do now to keep the Netherlands in the context and more generally to wash itself from all this dirt:
1) Fire Martin Österdahl and everyone else who had anything to say in this year's catastrophic EBU performance.
2) Publicly apologize to Netherlands, Ireland, Portugal... and to all the artists who were mishandled by them.
3) Publicly apologise to Joost Klein and invite him to open next year's contest with Europapa song.
4) Drop Moroccanoil as general sponsor and clearly state that EBU will not let the sponsors dictate their actions in the future.
Anything less than this would be a sign that they don't recognise their responsibility for this year's mess
Do you even need any more signs to prove that EBU doesn't recognise its responsibility? I think it's self-evident at this point. I doubt any of those four things will happen, and ESC 2025 will just go on, with MÖ in the lead, nothing apologized for, and with Moroccanoil as sponsor, and without NL participating. I have no doubt EBU will just shrug another country (and possibly more?) leaving ESC off.
Iirc, Moroccanoil's sponsorship deal is supposed to last until this year.
Honestly, that sounds very reasonable given the information in this video and from other sources. Given the EBU's actions, they probably won't see it that way though. It's fucking depressing.
Amazing comment, I'd like it a 100 times if I could. All of this. And as for the sponsor - they should never again have one general sponsor but many smaller ones, that's the only way to prevent one corporation (*and the government of their country*) from imposing their agenda and blackmailing. It's actualy a completely preposterous idea for an international competition to sign a multi-year contract with a general sponsor from one of the participating countries (especially one known for unstable and unsafe internal situation, and a strong govermnent meddling in all aspects of life). One really doesn't need to be a genius to imagine that something like this could easily lead to a disaster, which we have all witnessed this season. @denishavlikvienna
Completely agree!
Where were the boos when Azerbaijan performed after they ethnically cleansed Armenians in 2020 and again in 2023??????
Exactly
no jews, no news!
Whataboutery. Maybe they should have been booed. But we're not talking about them right now.
@@willpalmer615 you're not talking about them ever lol
@@willpalmer615why not? It seems like you couldn't care less about 'genocide' unless Jews are involved
you standing up against an organization like this is iconic actually and u deserve all the support ure getting!!! insanely good job, both of u!! ❤️
The fact Baby Lasagna didn't win and the jury winner won despite being 5th in the televote might just be the LEAST of our worries for once! Joostice for Joost! Israel should be banned! Martin Osterdahl HAS to go! Replace him with Stig Karlsen!
Please do not watch the contest again
Honestly, for me BL not winning is much worse than DQ of that guy. He was problematic from the very beginning. And mark my words - this is not the last time he did something stupid and violent.
Israel should not be banned
I think Swedes have every reason to be humble and not think about any executive position in the ESC for many years.
He did nothing stupid nor violent. All he did is pushed/tried to push camera away of his face. And even after that he said to camerawoman he is sorry. That's how nice of a guy he is. Even after his personal space was violated and she made rude comments about his dead parents right after his emotional performance ended with song section dedicated to his dad and at the moment performers were ensured they have free time with no interviews since organization forbade any recording behind the stage after those performances.
Some of his statements were questionable maybe but nothing more.
This year's theme, 'UNITED BY MUSIC,' seemed irrelevant, and with tensions running so HIGH, I was expecting to see punches flying around.
I'm so sad for the whole thing. The Swedish police must have been overwhelmed by these unprecedented incidents, which ruined the usually good spirits you find in these events.
Sometimes, I think that what brought the Eurovision to life is what might one day destroy it.
To get a feel for the tension, realize that the Swedish police even brought in earthquake disaster experts.
-In case they needed competence for sifting through huge piles of rubble from collapsed buildings...
I just hope Nemo is okay and can still enjoy and celebrate their win! It's so deserved, the artists were incredible this year and they deserve the most support ❤
Nemo's been doing press in the UK right now, including an appearance on "The One Show". The song debuted at #18 on the UK singles chart
Nah, their song AND singing were both bad. They simply cannot do the high notes they kept forcing.,
They obviously didn't deserve the treatment they got, but they didn't deserve to win, either.
@@925263 do we have the same hearing? Because those operatic notes are incredible and I could never! 😅 every time I attempted to sing them my voice cracks 🥲🤣
@@925263I am curious as to what your qualifications are to make that statement so confidently. I was watching the contest with a friend who's a professional musician and music educator, and the way she evaluated Nemo's performance is, um... extremely different from your take.
@@925263 I don't know what version you heard, but the one I heard was really good. They're an amazing singer and dancer, and they did hit the notes. Their performance was great! Also, the song is an absolute banger, I listened to it before the contest began and I'm still listening to it almost daily!
I totally agree with Norwegian media, this year's contest was a shitshow and I didn't even watch it. Thanks for all the extra info from behind the scenes.
You are undoubtedly the best person around for this job: summarising 10th of May, the doomsday blue that Bambie warned us about
A rightwing Finnish politician Rydman also encouraged people to vote for Israel. If you look at Spotify charts, Hurricane is nowhere near the top, and in fact it is below 200 in some daily charts for countries that gave Israel 12 points.
The only songs that really seem to be making waves are "The Code", "Europapa" and "Rim Tim Tagi Dim"
I must say that I am truly ashamed for my fellow party mates in this issue - *please know that this was & is in no way the official party line of PS!!* (Can't speak of Kokoomus though.) Just a very private & personal view of a couple of people. I for one would never support Israel in this, and I am a PS party member. (And please stop talking of "right-wing", I am not that and will never be.)
@@florenna The politics of PS is not left, or centre, but actually far right. It was not founded as such, but it has become a far right populist party and drives policies along that line. There are plenty of articles about how the party is now seen, especially since the elections. Certainly there are a wide range of people in the party and some may not agree with the current actions. I'm sure not everyone supports Israel's war in Gaza and would never comment on social media about voting for them in ESC. However, a lot of people who didn't even listen to the song did vote and most likely spent even 20€ for the 20 votes to make sure Israel gets 12 points from Finland - and it did!
@@florenna PS is populist nationalist that is classified in the EU as far-right. That usually refers to social politics but as Purra says, the party is now also right-wing in the economical sense, cutting social benefits and the like.
I'm intentionally withholding moral judgement and my personal opinion. This is simply the truth. Which, by the way, authoritarians want to obscure in order to harm our democracies.
In the Netherlands too, 2 rightwing politicians that are currently forming a government after winning the elections, stated on X that they would vote for Israel.
It’s especially sad cause I found the quality of 90% of the songs were just so good this year
13:04 My theory at the time was the Italian delegation telling her to do this to distract, as the EBU weren’t particularly happy with RAI’s reveal of the televote results.
The fact that someone literally needed to sneak in a pride flag tells a lot.
The weirdest thing is, that rainbow flags were to be allowed, just not any of the other pride flags. I mean, literally, why?
@@pyridonfaltis9761 Because they lost control over the whole situation. They also managed to ban EUROPEAN flag in EUROPEAN contest 😂 Like, if they had things under control, someone would have realized that it's just such an absurd idea (same with nonbinary flag when there were nonbinary contestants)
@@pyridonfaltis9761 Because they were worried about someone sneaking in symbolism. There are a lot of pride flags, so they might not have been able to check which were real and which carried some political weight.
Maybe Israel complained about Pride Flags and nonbinary Flags, and the EBU somehow listened. They're commentators also made derogatory comments about Bambie and Nemo, so that's quite possible.
Maybe Israel complained about Pride Flags and nonbinary Flags, and the EBU somehow listened. They're commentators also made derogatory comments about Bambie and Nemo, so that's quite possible.
The Israeli public broadcaster is not a free player if the president of Israel can pressure them like that. The president should not be able to intervene like that.
President in Israel is just a symbolic office with no actual powers so he couldn't force them to do anything just to ask.
Their neutral broadcaster was also shut down in 2017 and has since been replaced by the propaganda outlet KAN.
Can we note that Joost was excluded but Israel was not. The irony...
@@REL513 For what?
I went to Eurovision this year, and it was my third competition. It is telling that my experience was very similar to yours. I was at Euroclub on Tuesday night and there was a sense of unease. The fans from a certain country were in Bambies face standing with their flags in a confrontational way. Irish fans could not get to them. That was my first and last time going to Euroclub.
As the week went on, the sense of unease grew from the Thursday, security everywhere. I was relieved to leave Malmo and stay in Copenhagen. This year I actually don't have PED. I'm also thinking I will give it a skip next year unless there is a huge change within the EBU.
After the event I've heard so many stories of fans getting abuse, as Ireland is known as a pro 🍉 country. I didn't feel comfortable wearing Eurovision merch or my countries colours.
The Irish media has also been full of hate. So much homophobic comments aimed at fans at the contest, and transphobic/religious slurs aimed at Bambie.
Eurovision is supposed to be fun, where you mingle with other fans from different countries. It wasn't that this year unfortunately.
Not forgetting Joost Klein, people not being able to bring in a non binary flag, etc. I'm actually emotionally exhausted.
And may I add, that countries delegation/ journalists were harassing artists at pre parties. This should have been nipped in the bud long before the actual competition
THe hate on Bambie's social media pages is shocking and they seem to stem from one country/religious group. Truely shocking. bambie quote "love will always defeat hate"
@@ElfenLied987 yes it's coming from that group, plus the far right in Ireland. I met Bambie briefly over in Malmo and they seem very humble and quietly spoken, to see them getting this much hate is awful
About flags: even the european flag was forbiden. I saw in the news tonight (Arte TV) there will be an official complain from the EU MPs (except far right parties) to the EBU.
You’re all haters look in the mirror. Jealous of Israel much?
@@hannah74863 this is a very juvenile response to what I've just written.
They make a big deal about Eurovision not being political. Well, having Israel participating was in itself a political statement, so...
Yes, it was. As was trying to censor e.g. the French artist's message about love and peace.
Israel has been competing for half a century. Excluding it would be the political decision.
How tf is it a political statement? I guess the participation of all the other nations was too?
@@tsani-bn2bk Literally yes. The participation of Russia would've been political too.
Rusia would have been political@@tsani-bn2bk
So Cornald Maas from the Dutch delegation had indeed the right words to them when he said "F*** the EBU"
He actually said "I would almost say 'fuck the ebu', and hey, looks like I just did"
@@CanelaAguilaDaamn lmao
It’s funny that the tasteless EBU press releases are still ongoing to this day. They are incredibly proud of all the streams this year, while the song that was the most streamed got disqualified. But of course, nothing is said about that.
Great work putting all of the information in one neat video! Having to sift through posts, many of which were inaccurate, on the day of it all happening was hectic to say the least.
Thank you so much for your commentary here. I was there and agree with everything you have said.
As an Argentinian, I am deeply irritated, frustrated, and concerned by Israel's harmful involvement and intentions in Eurovision, the suffering experienced by so many people there, regardless of their gender, sexual orientation, race, or nationality at their hands... It's truly horrible. Have we really gone this far? This seems out of those conspiratorial movies. The only difference is that this is real, and it's happening right now. I'm relieved that, at least, this is over.
I'm also pleased that the next Eurovision will be hosted in such a neutral country as Switzerland. I'm already starting to save money so I can make the effort to go there and see my very first Eurovision, hoping to see and support amazing artists such as Joost, Nemo, and Thug (But mostly Joost, he deserves the world, I believe that if I could choose a different career, I would like to have his, and spread the same message he's spreading, thanks Joost
Well said, and good to hear that you might be pursuing journalism! We need more people exposing real life conspiracies and corruption! You're already contributing with this comment:)
Thank goodness you've put this together in such a succinct and articulate way! Thank you!
Gabe, thank you for being vocal about this chaos. I hope you get well soon.
This has been, honest to god, the WORST eurovision in history in terms of the behind the scenes 'drama'. This is all thanks to the EBU's ass licking for the Israeli delegation to cover up for the 'non-political' reasons to include them. Thank Gabe and Jay for coverage for this year and let's hope for a complete revamp of the higher-ups next year ❤❤❤
Honestly, most Dutch fans I talked to and have seen online want the Netherlands to withdraw from Eurovision for at LEAST one year. More if the EBU doesn't change enough. NL have been participants in the contest from the very start and Eurovision is generally very popular here, but what happened to Joost has really left a deep wound that won't heal easily. I'm sure people from other countries would feel the same if it had happened to their entry. Especially when that entry was hugely popular, like Joost's.
I didn't watch the final at all, btw. Couldn't. Only saw some clips of the public booing Osterdahl online. That felt good, but no real consolation, of course.
Disqualifying Joost was a bloody shame. It left a bitter taste for all of us, all over Europe. As for the rest of the ESC 2024 -- in my opinion, when an organization violates its own rules, it deserves a general boycott by all members. They showed us money is above all 'European values'. And let us not forget, the viewers paid a lot of money for the privilege of voting.
Joosts song has charted quite highly in several charts In Europe. Higher than most other eurovision entrants.
totally agree, it's so disgusting what they have done to him 🤢🤮
You should have mentioned the official sponsor of this year Eurovision... An Israeli beauty company Morocanoil... That could explain a lot of thing.
Oh. I guess I assumed they were Moroccan...
imo he did right to not meantion it. journalistic integrity means to only report what you can proof or have eye witnessed. this is what makes a reliable source you can trust, giving the things he said more gravity than just being speculations.
Yeah explains that you are using the most classic antisemitic trope in the book!! Look in the mirror you’re the problem.
Bingo!
And, they will always align with politics of big 5, aka nato
We need "I survived 10 May" merch.
Gabe: Makes video about the most cursed Eurovision.
Eurovision 2024: I'm about to destroy this man's career.
hum why?
@@jffrancisco_ I think EBU does not look kindly towards the whistleblowers, and Gabe's ability to do his work depends largely on the goodwill of EBU.
@@pyridonfaltis9761 actually it is the host broadcaster who has a lot more direct impact on accreditation.. if anyone at EBU opens there mouth ONE LITTLE BIT, they will wish they had never been born,.
@@jffrancisco_"I'm about to destroy this man's career" is a meme format. Nothing as serious as all other replies are saying. I simply meant his original cursed video was outdone by all the things that happened in 2024 ESC.
@@jffrancisco_ This channel published a video 6 months ago with a theoretical 'worst case' Eurovision. And then the actual cursed Eurovision happened.
thanks for the great video!! i am so sorry you had to endure so much that you yourself had to file complaints and considered going home early
As a Dutch I can’t even explain how much it physically hurt to see this all unfolding. It’s not just the incident that involved Joost but the sheer injustice going on with Israel still competing while publicly harassing other artists (incl Joost!) and them just getting way with it! Joost is such a great and kind artist who has stolen the hearts of all Dutch ESC fans and beyond, including almost all of the Dutch children. Europapa is very popular among kids here. ESC was about to have a whole new generation of fans but they got completely confused and turned off because Joost “was punished for doing something wrong”.
And honestly Joost was such an advocate for ESC, this was his lifelong dream- the EBU couldn’t have wished for better promotion than Joost. It’s just heartbreaking.
I think about Joost everyday and I hope he’s somehow ok. 💔
This was the first Eurovision I attended in person after years of dreaming about it from living on the other side of the world, and honestly I feel so sad.
While I think it was absolutely the right thing to do, I never thought the EBU would actually ban Israel. They are a collective of public broadcasters responsible to the interests of their governments, who rely on Israel as a foothold in the Middle East. So I thought maybe by coming, now that the opportunity finally arose, we could at least celebrate the core values of the contest and in doing so, project a glimmer of light in times of growing darkness, so to speak. Maybe this was naive to begin with.
This was one of the best travel experiences of my life, and that came down to the amazing community around this contest, artists and fans alike. Yet this whole thing was cast over a backdrop of hypocrisy and quasi-authoritarian decisions from the EBU that I think made a complete mockery of the contest’s spirit, and looking back now that I’ve had time to process all the shitfuckery that went on that week, I can’t help but feel…dirty, for having given my money to help orchestrate this whole thing, and for celebrating and documenting it all for my friends to see on social media, pretending to champion peace and unity. It feels like I’ve made just as much as much a hypocrite of myself for partaking, and whenever I think about it I just get disgusted and angry.
It brings me immense pain to say this, as someone who has loved this contest obsessively since I was a child; but if we don’t see immense changes over the next 12 months-which frankly, in the current climate, I don’t think are a given-I don’t know if I can continue supporting this next year. And that really, really sucks.
Could you elaborate on the quasi-authoritarian decisions?
i guess getting paid millions by the main sponser being a israel company has nothing to do with it.
That's a problem - heard elsewhere its the last year of contract. Hopefully its true and they don't renew..
It's not that a big company lol
By that logic the EBU should have brought Russia back because of their cooperation with the Chinese TikTok (which is definitely bigger and more powerful than MoroccanOil)
@@triola3983 my point was more that they close their eyes when it comes to the isreal party with their behaviour, might have been because of a gigantic isreal sponser. with the amount of name dump from marrocanoil we are talking multiple millions of sponser money
@@RenevKerkhof What Israeli behaviour? You mean existing? Because that's the reason ha mas wanted to attack the Eurovision this year.
@@RenevKerkhof By their "behavior" you mean existing? Or breathing?
I have genuinely never respected a group of artists more than the 35 artists this year (including Joost!), they’re such better people than me- I would have actually lost it. In the end at least Europapa did its jobs of bringing Europe together, even if it was bitter without Joost himself- and it also does its secondary job of bopping so damn hard.
I don’t understand any of the decision making from the EBU this year, it’s genuinely baffling how you can have an entire arena boo, several artists and delegations coming through with harassment claims towards a ( *erghm* ) certain delegation, people with press coming through with those same claims, and hundreds of individuals claiming they voted 60+ times for a ( *christ this again?* ) certain country, and still not make one ok decision. Bambie said, what we all know, best “we make Eurovision, not the EBU, fuck the EBU”. Here’s to hoping we get our silly yet beautiful competition back.
That was a great way of putting it, thanks for that.
Is it actually necessary to censor that particular country? I wrote a comment a few minutes ago mentioning it by name and your caution is making me cautious as well
@@stellakeil96 not really. I’ve just found generally when you outright state it there’s a lot higher of a chance of somebody getting mad and having a go at you. You’ll be fine, it’s not really a big issue :)
I've seen so many people bullying Bambie online, calling them a "racist bully" for being pro-palestine and a bunch of other really nasty things. It's really sad because they literally haven't done anything other than saying fuck the ebu which I think most of Europe agrees with at this point.
Bro, this video is so good, so info-packed. Thanks for making it. I went to my first Eurovision in-person this year, and it was ridiculous how chaotic the atmosphere always seemed to be. At least I got to meet you for 5 minutes that first Sunday night in Euroglam! Thank you for being so lovely, Gabe.
~ Michael
Very good summarisation. Thank you Gabe for all your hard work. 👍👍
Wow, thank you for all of that information. I hope the organizers can take responsibility for all their mistakes.
The EBU needs to update their crisis management plan because their current one can only be used to wipe down the stuff that has just hit the fan. As I’m seeing it, Joost was collateral damage. The Netherlands was always going to compete with Croatia over the same public votes, and after the 2nd semi the EBU panicked seeing another country getting too much votes for their liking. Disqualifying Joost was the easiest way out for the EBU.
May have been a blessing in disguise to concentrate votes for Croatia though
I think they were worried that if he’d win (or even just in general) he’d go off script and use the live show to say something political/critical
I got Eurovision tickets as my 18th birthday present, it was my biggest dream to go since I was a child and I finnaly managed to go for the very first time-
Dont know if I ruined it permanently for myself, but I dont exactly regret my sf1 afternoon and sf2 afternoon tickets either. Im a weird limbo of disgusted by the ebu but also so enamored by the effort put in by the artists- Seeing Estonia live right by the barrier while standing legit healed me- But other stuff during sf2 were definitely well.. There was booing, there was screaming, arguable I only heard the commotion as I was at the very front of the crowd, but as I read in the news shit went down behind me, but man was it uh.. wild..?
There was definitely an air of nervousness during that day compared to sf1 and although its not super related- I will never forget walking out of the arena after sf2 alone and trying to meet my mom who was shopping in the emporia mall while I was inside- And hearing the mall evacuation alarm before I could even approach the building. I hate that my mind immediately jumped to the worst possiible case scenario that I might never see her again.
People shouldn't feel like this during Eurovision, people should never have to feel like this anywhere.
Great video, it is so much worse than even imagined, thank you for sharing your experience and for having had the courage to stay there until the end of the song contest.
As a swedish person, Eurovision 2024 in Helsinki would have been better ngl
The EBU would have been the same, though
I think, Finns are afterall happy they did not have to host this mess 😂
@@agirlinabasementofyourdaddy As a Finn, I feel like we dodged a nuclear missile.
Would be the same disaster, we dodged a bullet.
Of couse Helsinki 2024 would have been far better !:D Who knows if the same shitstorm would have happened...
Great reporting! I’m still shocked at how bad the EBUs responses this week have been.
Thank you for sharing! I'm sorry for everyone who had to go through this.
What a video! Its everything that needed to be said, can this go viral please? #justiceforjoost
Thank good a lot of countries sang in their native languages! This made it way more interesting!
Thank you for this, I did not know the extent of all the problems that occurred. This was very eye opening.
Finally, the video I have been dying to see. Followed the entire ordeal on twitter, it was complete madness