Noah's Ark told for children is related to the idea of lots of animals for them to play with, draw and otherwise respond. When used in school I have focussed on a conversation about what might we do differently if we had a brand new start - lots of environmental responses, then talked about how we can make some of those changes without starting over. Among church goers the story they think they know is the child hood summary (as with nativity merging version.) they are surprised that not just the 2 by 2 option. As for time of the written version - has to be after the food laws - at Noah's point in the genesis timeline there was no concept given of clean and unclean animals.
There was a concept of clean and unclean animals. Enoch walked with God and taught men. Even Abel knew what a valid sacrifice was. It just wasn't recorded as law yet. But God communicated with men in the Adamic line and they knew what he wanted from them.
@@questioneverything4633 According to Genesis there is a major contradiction regarding Enoch. One author of Genesis claims Enoch was Cains son but yet another author in Genesis says the same Enoch was the son of Jared... in fact the second author actually doesn't think Cain or Able even existed and thus imports the character Seth as the first son of Adam. Using a fictional character doesn't really help your argument. However, your assumption that God told anyone what was considered to be a clean or unclean animal prior to the stories about Moses and Aaron is not quoting the Bible but rather grasping at straws to try to create something out of nothing.
@@ObjectiveEthics Your argument is completely invalid. There is no contradiction. There were many people named Enoch in Biblical times. Most Hebrew names are recycled. There are still many men named Moses or Isaiah or even Enoch today in Hebrew communities. The Bible shows a second bloodline with another Enoch in the line during the same time period, but the Bible also has examples of multiple men named Nathan being alive at the same time and place. We know there are many thousands of Davids alive today. So what? Does the existence of an average David today invalidate the possibility that a very important David might be alive somewhere else? No. Your opinions are the fiction, not Enoch. Next, your claims about multiple authors in Genesis are completely unproven. It is a theory based on the multiple literary styles in the book, not a fact. I can write in multiple styles and even multiple languages. Why couldn't Moses? It could be that it was multiple narratives written by the same person and woven together later. Or it could be a single author writing in different ways according to the inspiration of God. Or it could be a single author recording an older set of oral traditions which came in these various styles at various points as a sort of mnemonic to help memorize the story through patterns. Oral traditions do have stylistic patterns like this. But regardless, you have no actual proof of multiple authors. Only conjecture and weak evidence. You are the one grasping at straws. And I did not say I was quoting the Bible. I used information given in the Bible to draw sound logical conclusions which have also been agreed upon by many scholars for centuries. If you want to disprove my conclusions, it takes more than bitter, surface-level "I became an atheist last week and now I'm a genius" types of efforts.
@@questioneverything4633 No it's quite clearly written that the Enoch you are referring to is only one Enoch but told differently in two contradictory stories. You penchant for lying by trying to conflate a completely unrelated or irrelevant story about a guy named Nathan is hilarious 😂
@@ObjectiveEthics Prove it. Where in the Bible is it "clearly written" that Enoch the son of Cain is the same Enoch named as the son of Jared? Where is this explicitly clarified as you claim? Hint: It isn't.
Excellentt explanation and video, "sir". whoever does this series, Centre Place is good. A fair and polite but firm and exact discussion of the ugly truths of certain bible myths and traditions.
Centre Place is, in my opinion, leading in promoting a version of Christianity that accepts change. The ground has already moved beneath conventional religions, and it's time for the Church to wake up before it's too late. Christianity, unlike Islam and Judaism, is malleable. In other words, you can introduce the most progressive version of Christianity and still keep it as a faith. That is obviously not possible with pre-philosophical religions such as Islam and Judaism, where the central character (God) is not hypercosmic and sometimes plays both the role of goodness and evil.
The Sumerians and Egyptians both lived on the flood plain of mighty rivers such as the Euphrates, Tigris and Nile that flooded at least once each year, as have countless other lesser known civilizations that were exiting simple subsistence agriculture style living. Sea levels have also changed over the course of time, causing many areas to become flooded that were once inhabited by people. The Hebrew Flood myth obviously came from the earlier Sumerian/Acadian Gilgamesh flood story about bringing back the lost knowledge of an ancient past, which itself is a common mythological theme.
@@questioneverything4633 As far as the ancient Egyptian’s belief in an origin story goes, there never was a single belief in how things began….ever. All of this talk online about how the ancient Egyptians themselves believed in a prior culture that they somehow inherited simply isn’t true. There were many different creation myths that referred to the Zep Tepi, (The first occasion) They were all based on the belief of an emergence of some type of a creator god coming out of a watery abyss on a mound called the ben ben at the beginning of history, sometimes out of a lotus flower, and eventually that god starts creating the rest of the world…including humans and all of the other gods. The watery beginning of each of these stories was based on something that actually happened each year if you lived on the Nile river floodplain. New life seemingly emerged out of the watery chaos at the end of each year’s Nile inundation season and things began drying out. One of the most popular creation stories that ended up influencing other creation myths was the one based in Heliopolis. Each place along the Nile seems to have started their own animal cult based on a site that he’d been deemed holy. At that place, the temple would be built and successive temples would be created to replace older temples over the years, at the same spot. The site itself was where the god dwelt and it represented the divine force. Dr Donald Redford describes it by saying it’s as if “the animal world was an Avatar for the divine world.”
@@davidleomorley889 a flooding nile is not the source of hundreds of flood stories around the globe. There was a real flood. A big flood which everyone experienced. If the flood stories only came from the middle east, your idea would have some weight, but a mile flood doesn't explain why the ancient american cultures told the same or very similar tales of an old global flood.
@@questioneverything4633 There are two basic ways to come to believe" in things in life today. One is by behaving rationally and the other is by having faith in someone. >Being rational means examining the available evidence, listening to the educated professionals in the specific field of study who have examined it in detail and who have conducted experiments on it, keeping an open mind and maintaining a healthy amount of skepticism during the process of research. Theories are usually presented first by writing a paper explaining their specific theory and the experiments they used to come to their conclusion. Their peers then examine the theory, replicate the experiments, conduct new experiments, all in an ongoing attempt to see if the theory is valid. If the theory survives all of the scrutiny it receives, it usually moves forward and is accepted by more and more of the rational people in that society. This process is referred to as science. This is how Einstein's theory of relativity was presented…and how it survives yet today. >Acting on faith requires no evidence, only the belief in a person’s claims. When their claims don’t hold up to their peer's scrutiny, it simply doesn't matter to those who have faith...because that IS the essence of what faith is. The words and opinions they are speaking are seen as being unquestionably true by the faithful. >Believers in Santa Claus have faith in the words of their parents. >Those who follow the Abrahamic religions have faith in ancient texts. >Mormons have faith in the written words of an American scam artist, Joseph Smith. >Scientologists have faith in the written words of L. Ron Hubbard. >Those who believe what Randall Carlson tells them have faith in Randall Carlson. >Those who believe what Graham Hancock tells them have faith in Graham Hancock. >Those who believe what Brien Foerster tells them have faith in Brien Foerster. >Those who believe what the guy on Uncharted X tells them have faith in what he tells them. >Those who believe in Edward Casey’s miracles have faith in the words of those who claim those miracles happened. >Those who believe in "advanced ancient technology" and a “worldwide pre-flood culture” have faith in the book authors they heard that information from…whether it was on TH-cam, Facebook, TV or in a book. >Ancient Astronaut theorists have faith in the words of people like Zecharia Sitchin and the words of TV personalities like Giorgio A. Tsoukalos. >Those who believe in an ancient race of giants have faith in the people who are claiming that an ancient race of giants once existed. “Religion is a culture of faith; science is a culture of doubt.” ― Richard Feynman Science actually claims very little. Science is simply a method of discovery that uses peer reviewed experiments and evidence to examine theories and determine truths. When new experiments produce new found truths, science moves to support those new truths. That’s all science really does. > I rely on the method of science, because I am a rational human being.
There are much better secular sources to teach the same without inculcating children to believe abject mythology is true. How about using The Great Flood myth and Noah's Ark to teach children (and adults) to apply basic reason and science to expose these fallacies.
What version of the Bible are you reading? "The bad people" you are referring to were killed in a mass genocide attributed to God of the Jews and Christians and Muslims. That God even killed all the babies in the world according to the Bible. Were babies bad people? You really need to take a hard look into the implications of the Noah's flood story.
Intrigued! By lecturer & CoC, i love the intellectual energy & idea of a Church that welcomes this discussion. I'm a geologist so thank you for including that info
Don’t forget the story of Atlantis, related by Plato. A sudden end of the Ice age by some means would cause vast changes far beyond our experiences.. A lifting of the weight of vast glaciers would among thing cause a movement of the crust, which though we think of unmoveable is very thin in relation to the size of the earth.
John Hamer is always fun to watch, great stuff. Should read my work on mythology of the Younger Dryas Impacts Theory. BTW, I was on the floor gaffing overflow feeds out of that courtroom when that picture was taken of Warren Jeffs and the swat dudes wouldn't even move their gun barrels out of my way, there were rumors that the LDS's were going to storm the building. The scene with him so somber and meek it was like a modern version from 2,00 years ago. Selling little girls to the highest bidder.
@@bardmadsen6956 "How do you explain the extraterrestrial proxies spread over 1/3 of the globe? " ROFLMAO. I don't explain nonsense that does not exist. 🤣 "Where is your work? I might read it.: Where is yours? Any idiot can write a book. Show me experiments and per reviewed data.
@@bardmadsen6956 "Comet Research Group Scientific Publications," Is not a source. Specific articles are sources. Do you have one linking Younger Dryas and the impact HYPOTHESISS to the flood myths? "I asked first." Yes, I am aware your first go to was shifting the burden of proof. I'm not biting.
There are volcanic events at the time that could have caused tsunamis. One in particular is that of Thera/Santorini. This powerful volcano caused great damage especially to to Minoan culture of Crete but is also recorded by the Egyptians. In the Indian Ocean there is geological evidence of volcanic eruptions on a grand scale. Cyclops myths come from the skulls of elephants. The nasal passage in the skull is so huge that it was conjectured that this was a skull of a giant with one large eye.
This video won't buffer for me past the 12 minute mark unless in 1080p. All lower resolutions refuse to buffer past that. You would think any buffering issues would be the other way around but no. Tested several other videos (feed videos at random). All worked fine in all resolutions. Came back to this video and same issue. Anyone have a clue what's up with that. Maybe YT borked the upload somehow?
@@ansfridaeyowulfsdottir8095 It's also working for me now at 144p (I do the same thing, lol). It must have been some sort of delay on fully processing the video I suppose. While I was still looking for a solution I found one google help questioner with the exact same problem and they had one reply of someone saying they had that issue to. But no solution was given and the topic was locked. Thinking back I vaguely recall that I've had this issue once or twice before and found no solution then either. I really wonder what this is exactly. Something on TH-cam's end? Maybe high volume traffic on the site in general slows some functionality? Or maybe it's an export thing with videos to be uploaded. Like some minor undisclosed aspect that the uploader simply doesn't like. Maybe a full 60fps instead of 59fps. Some weird little thing one might never think of that throws it off processing and makes it take hours longer than it says it does? [edit] it broke at 33:30 with a message this time that it's unable to play at the chosen resolution. Refresh seems to have correct it. This is so weird
@@The1Helleri *_"...unable to play at the chosen resolution."_* Yes, I get that as well sometimes. I think it's something to do with the length and quality of the video, the number of formts it's being uploaded in and maybe the uploader's channel and/or internet connection. Most of the time there no problem, but sometimes it cannot be played at lower resolution as they all take time to render and be available, and sometimes it stops with that resolution message, but refreshing the screen usually works, as you say. {:-:-:}
There are native American stories which claim to have protected animals during a big flood. It's really spooky reading some of the native American flood myths.
I've always enjoyed this guy and his talks, but I got to say, when it comes to the most obviously fake, invented religion entirely made up by a convicted charlatan and fraud, it's a toss up between Mormon and Scientology. {:-:-:}
Islam is also hilarious, When you read the hadiths some of the stories are really funny. Like when Muhammads one of wifes caught him cheating with the house slave and told him not to do it anymore a week later Allah read him a verse from the eternal Quran "O Prophet! Why do you prohibit ˹yourself˺ from what Allah has made lawful to you, seeking to please your wives?".
Concerning oral stories lasting for thousands of years: the Chinese government built a road around a valley, 6 hour drive, because the locals will not go into that evil place where death is. They know nothing about a village being drowned in a flood a few thousand years ago. So even that didn't survive, only the fear of the place lives on. The flood story lives on in a book of ancient Chinese folklore for children.
Archaeologists, geologists, paleontologists and anthropologists have proven that Indigenous Australians have stories that are over 10,000 years old, some of them even older. My mother's mob has a story that's been proven to be over 13,000 years old. Our oral traditions are unchanging, it's a part of our culture.
People who lived down in the valley by the river are regularly flooded. We didn't get flooded because we live about 500 feet above the river. And the grounds slope away from our mansion. Wise choice !
I really wished that they would let him speak free of interruptions. He doesn't seem to mind and is gracious with people but they should wait until the end to comment or ask questions.
@@notsocrates9529 That is so true. And most times the "questions" are just really inane or seem to just be an attempt to demonstrate how "smart" the person asking it thinks they are. The live lectures are so tedious and irritating, sometimes I have to shut them off. I remember one with this one particular woman who just wouldn't shut up, interjecting her own opinions and "knowledge" nearly every four or five minutes. Lol, found myself thinking "shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up" every time she opened her mouth. I couldn't finish it, and that was disappointing because it would have been of great interest to me. He should definitely only do these online lectures and let the audience stay at home.
There is also the Persian Gulf story. Juris Zarins, archeologist, explored evidence of the Garden of Eden existing in the Persian Gulf during the Ice Age. Then if you follow the Epic of Gilgamesh, which tells of the flood and also the Garden of Eden, Juris's theory is that after the Ice Age ends, rising sea levels cause the flooding of Eden! That story makes the most sense to me.
There was a rising of sea water when the Ice Age ends. It covered hundreds of coastal cities; but it was Not the Flood. The Ice Age occurred as a result of the Flood.
Likely. It really makes me laugh sometimes when people make claims about "fake American history", especially in the political context which I won't get into, which they almost always confuse with American mythology, like the cherry tree or Paul Revere lore. Thanksgiving even, anyone who understands that as "history", even 50 years ago, wasn't doing a good job of comprehending.
I always thought it a possibility that the flood myths could actually be a remembrance of the Ice Age, and the massive Ice sheets encroaching upon inhabited lands. But anyway, just one of many possible hypotheses. This interpretation seems to miss a great deal of what is in the actual text. There is a mix of all these things in the text, it's multilayered certainly. Sure, a lot of it is made up, a mix of legends, historical remembrances, maybe some actual historical fact, and ultimately this is what mythology is. Sometimes more based on historical events, sometimes less. Presuming there is no history is ...... objectively untrue. I suppose it depends on how you want to define "history". Was there a temple in Jerusalem? Probably. What did it look like and what purpose did it serve and so on? Who the heck knows. The Assyrians obviously existed and attacked the Levant numerous times. Are the details of the story all true? Absolutely not. But the Assyrians are real and so is their conquest of Canaan. Same with Babylonians and Persians. This is loose history mixed with legend, mythology. For the life of me, I don't understand those who think there are only two options, either it's "all literal" all it's "all worthless lies". There is SO much in between ground there that is far more probable. Just because it isn't literal doesn't mean it holds no value and certainly doesn't mean there is no "truth" or "fact" or "history" in there. A lot of loose history certainly. Kind of like "historical fiction" of the modern day. Historical events, maybe some historical people, distorted and wrapped in mythology. Mythology is really loose history wrapped in legend, wisdom and mysticism. Plus there is a lot of "encoded" knowledge in the book also, which you have to kind of know how to understand in order to understand.... no easy answers. There is SO much more in there than just "legend" and "fiction". And the stories themselves have much deeper meaning and symbolism, often allegorical or metaphorical. Often representing a human phenomenon that isn't in the narrative. Such as the representative nature of the human form, human emotions, the human nervous system as it was understood at the time etc... JUST like the Greek and Egyptian mystery schools. Which is obviously where the authors of the Hebrew bible got many of their ideas. Which they "hid" in the narrative. This is why it's a multi-layered text. This is largely what Kabbalah deals with. Jewish mysticism started in the bible though, not with later Kabbalistic schools. And it certainly is meant to represent the human journey from ignorance to wisdom. To represent the journey from human sacrifice to animal sacrifice for the metaphorical sacrifice. To represent, LOOSELY, the relationship between various groups of people. Is this "history"? Well, there are nuggets of historical truth, they just aren't all founded in fact. For instance, in a few hundred years from now, if someone wanted to write a story with a moral lesson, but also maintain a historical connotation about Nuclear weapons, would one need to accurately describe every event of WW2 and accurately describe the US and Japan in order to infer to the nukes dropped on Japan? No. Does that mean that nukes were not used? Of course not. Nukes were definitely used and their destruction is real. But a story would not need to contain all the facts, it can even wrap the story in fiction and still infer a historical event. You could make up a completely fake country, use the dynamic of WW2, and describe the destruction of nukes. Now all the literal history would be fiction, but it would still be a remembrance of a historical event. JUST like modern "historical fiction" does today. So to suggest there is no history, is ridiculous. There is obvious "history" it just isn't all historical fact. I mean, maybe some "Moses" did go up a mountain. He certainly didn't speak to the personage of God on that mountain. Perhaps he still though, spoke with "God" on that mountain. Maybe he meditated a bit, did a lot of chiseling and ate some rough bread. Maybe there was no mountain at all and no "Moses". But obviously the allegory and symbolism is the main point. That doesn't mean it can't also be a historical remembrance though. It just means those remembrances aren't the main purpose. And they are only loosely intertwined with all the rest.
A case of hit and myth I guess....bty...as Climate Change advances some folks might start wishing these "fairy stories" were true and wish they had a "sky fairy" to ask for help.....ya ain't seen nuffin yet !
I too for a long time equated the flood myth with the end of the ice age, as the idea of primordial flooding being remembered in a cosmological, romantic sense appeals greatly to me - some how the trauma on the prehistoric hunter gatherers treacling down to Bronze Age farmers is just so epic. Same with the Atlantis and Eden myths being equated to Doggerland flooding. A real life paradise. Though I feel the Noah flood myth more likely has its real life correlations with localised floods - and crucially the fear of floods - during Bronze Age Mesopotamian early farming civilisation.
The lesson for children: your civilization could end tomorrow. God will direct you as to what you need to do Joseph was sold into slavery into Egypt. How the army of Saul was confronted by Goliath. Bad things happen but there is always a solution.
@10:40 the Ark encounter not flood proof to flood damage. Wordering if Ken Ham knows about the Ark a Dutchman build that does float, is seaworthy and which has traveled to many places already - towed of cource as it has no engine. It's now waiting in an English harbour to be towed to Israel when enough money raised and the English authorities gave it permission to leave, there are some envirioment issues.
To be fair the seaworthy "Ark" is basically just a very large modern barge with a wooden skin to make it look like the Ark. Not even remotely close to what the Bible claims Noah built in terms of materials, technology, labor, or time. Then again, Ken Ham's "Ark" also failed in every one of those regards...
@@WileyKing No Kidding. The animals in the pens on Ken Ham's ark are plastic replicas because they could not afford the staff to keep them clean & fed. Apparently Shem, Ham, Japheth & their wives are retired from the zookeeper business. Could you imagine keeping some poor animal penned up for nearly a year in the bowels of a ship? That would be cruel & abusive. Keeping them alive & well in a modern zoo with a full trained staff, is challenge enough.
@@Herschel1738 Right, how would you feed them all? And even after the flood is over, how long did it take for the plants and trees to regrow. How did the predators find enough prey to eat? Just doesn't add up.
Very deceptive to mention that Aristotle believed Atlantis to be metaphor and leave out the fact that Xenocrates (another student of Plato’s) believed it to be historical fact.
I think the moral that is being taught to children to children is you had better behave or God will judge you. And when God say "jump!" the correct response is "OK how high!?!"
I appreciate what you're doing here, but I'm disappointed you didn't analyze any link with the Epic of Gilgamesh flood myth which predates the biblical version by thousands of years.
Yeah, a lot of the archaeological findings in ancient babylon/ur/mesopotamia and even Egypt have proven that a great deal of the "stories" in the Hebrew bible borrow heavily from older mythologies.
@UCQBDkxBn2hmvkFu86FpQqzQ interesting, I would have expected something like that to be presented in chronological order. I watched for about 15 minutes.
Polygamy: Latter-day Saints and the Practice of Plural Marriage President Gordon B. Hinckley stated the following about polygamy in the Church's October 1998 general conference:“I wish to state categorically that this Church has nothing whatever to do with those practicing polygamy. They are not members of this Church. Most of them have never been members. They are in violation of the civil law. They know they are in violation of the law. They are subject to its penalties. The Church, of course, has no jurisdiction whatever in this matter. "If any of our members are found to be practicing plural marriage, they are excommunicated, the most serious penalty the Church can impose. Not only are those so involved in direct violation of the civil law, they are in violation of the law of this Church. An article of our faith is binding upon us. It states, 'We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law' (Articles of Faith 1:12).”
@@termination9353 they never were buried. Statues break overtime or they were left unfinished when the people ran out of resources. Lastly, Easter Island was not populated until fairly late, roughly 1,300 BCE. This would have happened long after the “ flood”.
@@michaelhenry1763 Go look at the pictures of those “heads” turning out to ALL be large full bodied statues buried up to their necks in one common layer 30 feet deep. Not talking about unfinished statues. Talking abou finished statues that were in place standing and the in what appears to be one fell swoop got buried up to their necks in mud.
@@termination9353 that never happened. What are you talking about? The statues were never buried and I did not see any buried statues. What sort of conspiracies are you banging on about?
So there was 1.2 million distinct species of Around at the time of the supposed flood, so I'm just wondering how big that arc was and what it must look like with 1.2 million On bored. Excuse me, two point four million I forgot...it was a pairing for each.
For even Christ did not please himself but, as it is written: “The insults of those who insult you have fallen on me.” For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through the endurance taught in the Scriptures and the encouragement they provide we might have hope. May the God who gives endurance and encouragement give you the same attitude of mind toward each other that Christ Jesus had, so that with one mind and one voice you may glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Noah’s ark represents the moral valorization of history that comes with each epical or New World advance of another newly Universal Civilization, and its subsequent overrunning as it were by barbarian waves, as with Rome and others before. It then becomes a certain ark of generation in judgment - (hence, Jesus’ seeing the heavens opened in between each Old World and New, and seeing the dove descend upon him in his baptism by John, immortalizing such New World migrations) - in relation to such cycles or circuits of history formed in between and upon each Old World and New in historic succession and stage. Seen in this way, the five hundred year old Noah is figuratively formed anew by our own New World advance of today, and our now newly Universal Civilization established since Columbus; just as that ark of generation is religiously established upon the 1990s, 2001s, and 2010s, as a lower, second and third story to the ark, as it then becomes the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus, then figured upon such an otherwise millennial turn as well, as it is the building of the ark - (like the 1st century establishment of Christianity) - in preparation of the floods to begin in the next century, since, as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be at the coming of the Son of man. It is the diverse ethnicities involved in our New World advance, which become the rainbow established in the heaven of every newly Universal Civilization, as a sign from God then related to such newly universal heights, or ethnographic “evenings”, to such newly aristocratic “mornings” coming over the next epoch, in anticipation of the future kingdoms to come from the Lord judging such previous Universal Civilizations at those heights. The seven pairs imply a geo-political constellation like the seven churches as they are all clean in such a gathering or washing of regeneration coming with every New World and the Lord; while the unclean relate to the male and female features of rulers and people in each local place of itself, that is morally valorized in the geo-political gathering on the national level.
The first written bible was in ancient cuneiform and some interpretations changed as other regions adopted cuneiform to their languages. Check out Irving Finkle on u tube lecture about how it happened.
@@phiddlephart7026 "I heard it on TH-cam and the guy said some big words so it must be true" -you I know what he has to say. It's not convincing. The first biblical texts were almost certainly paleo-hebrew.
@@questioneverything4633 all I'm saying is that changes were made when the oldest bible was adopted into different languages. Some things were left out during interpretation some were added. This is what I got from Irving
@@phiddlephart7026 translation is never a perfect process. I speak and study biblical Hebrew. Translation of the Bible into English leaves out a ton of nuance even when the translation process is done right. If all the nuance were explained, English Bibles would be 10x thicker. This is why those who know the original languages say "Reading translated versions of the Bible is like kissing your wife through the bedcovers." You lose most of the special intimacy and it's just not the same.
I don't understand why they would create a flood myth to explain the presence of fish bones on top of a mountain when it seems more reasonable to assume that other people brought them there.
I don't understand why you would create a myth to explain the presence of fish bones on top of a mountain when it seems more reasonable to assume that plate tectonics brought them there.
As I understand the animals were not for consumption by humans until after the flood. what was Abel sacrificing animals for if they were not to eat them? perhaps sacrifice is more of an offering up than killing? Let's stay humble and objective
They ate parts, burnt parts. God/El and/or YHWH really got off on the blood and gore, the smell of burning blood and viscera really really "pleased" him.
@@questioneverything4633 Maybe YOU should reread your Bible. Genesis 1:29 - And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat. (ALL living things (man & animals) were given only plants to eat.) Genesis 4:2-4 - Now Abel kept flocks, and Cain worked the soil. 3 In the course of time Cain brought some of the fruits of the soil as an offering to the Lord. 4 And Abel also brought an offering-fat portions from some of the firstborn of his flock. (Abel was killing his sheep to offer the fat of the lamb (the best portions) to God. But man & animals had not yet been given permission to eat the animal he killed.) Genesis 9:1-3 - So God blessed Noah and his sons, and said to them: “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth. 2 And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be on every beast of the earth, on every bird of the air, on all that move on the earth, and on all the fish of the sea. They are given into your hand. 3 Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. I have given you all things, even as the green herbs. (It is only AFTER the Flood that God gives permission for both man & animals to eat meat.)
@@questioneverything4633 It seems that in antiquity humans had misgivings about killing animals, and offering part of a slain animal to a god was a precaution against any bad karma which might arise from such a deed.
The reason for the Flood was the sins of men. The sins were human sacrifice and cannibalism. This was revealed in God’s first words to Noah after the Flood. It is described in the book “God and Wealth The Rise and Fall of Nations.” The moral of the story is the end of human sacrifice to appease God and it is furthered in Abraham’s sacrifice of his son. The further moral is the abomination of cannibalism.
I must be missing something here or reading the wrong verse because I see God's first words to Noah after the flood being : “Come out of the ark, you and your wife and your sons and their wives. Bring out every kind of living creature that is with you-the birds, the animals, and all the creatures that move along the ground-so they can multiply on the earth and be fruitful and increase in number on it.” What does this have to do with human sacrifice or cannibalism?
@@Shannon_Lynch Let me mention also that Yahweh did command child sacrifice in the Covenant Code, in Exodus 22:29-30. No animal substitution yet: "The firstborn of your sons you shall give to me. You shall do the same with your oxen and with your sheep: seven days it shall remain with its mother; on the eighth day you shall give it to me." Centuries later, this is how Ezekiel (20:25-26) tries to explain it: "Moreover I gave them statutes that were not good and ordinances by which they could not live. I defiled them through their very gifts, in their offering up all their firstborn, in order that I might horrify them, so that they might know that I am the Lord". And about cannibalism, just read Yahweh's sickeningly sadistic threats in Deuteronomy 28 (especially 52-57).
@@vasilybokov7474 figuratively speaking. Yes, the ice caps did not reach the equator. Personally, I think the ice age was man made or possibly demi god made in response to the flood, to lower the sea level, by moving water to the polar caps in the form of snow and ice. My rational for that is based on the discovery that the whole globe is a tapestry of continental scale sculptures, that tell a story about human nature. After the flood waters settled, the shoreline rested at the edged of Atlantis. By the end of the ice age the shoreline had moved 400 mile west of Atlantis where it is today, revealing the tapestry perfectly in its original design.
@@brian5001 you don't think it's helpful to acknowledge and try to understand why there are 8 mile wide tire tracks all over the sea floor? You don't think it's helpful to see the seasonal tilt of the earth represented in the global land art sculptures? You don't think that the biggest discovery of all time, a message into the future with such magnitude that it can never be erased is not helpful? Really?
@@brian5001 it might actually help with the bigotry issue actually because 3 of the sculptures show a mixed family where the father is white and the mother is black.
"People just explaining fossils they found" doesn't explain why all the hundreds of myths around the world have such similar components. One analysis of all flood myths concluded that there were probably about 70 original flood myths from cultures all over the world. And they are all very similar
Ponce de leon who was supposed to discover the fountain of youth in Florida in the 15 century. This was millennia after the great flood and Jesus and COUNTLESS misinterpretations, exaggerations from humanity that are simply not true. The garden of Eden, Fountain of youth, Dividing the red sea by Moses, The shroud of Turin... That are simply not true. Was there a flood, fountain, a sea and a garden somewhere, most likely, and that's where it stops. So many people in our history and present times, refuse to think for themselves. What is the most likely LOGICAL explanation? (Occom's razor)
You know, it's amazing. We have the same conclusion but somehow everything you said to support that conclusion was wrong. 1) Ponce de Leon was not looking for a fountain of youth, his political rivals made that up to make fun of him. 2) The 15th century CE was not 1000 years BEFORE Jesus or the Great flood it was famously roughly 1500 years after Jesus
We do have kind-of-a carving of a stegosaurus on one of our twelve hundred year old Angkor temples here in Cambodia that they show the tourists all the time, but, really, I think it is fake even though there are dinosaurs bones up on the Korat Plateau in Thailand. They havent found stegosaurus up there. Most importantly is the huge Hindu turtle on the back wall of Angkor Wat that tourists hardly notice. It is carrying the world on its back, but I found yet another turtle carving on a Mayan temple in Guatemala (or maybe Yucatan), I will have to check my photos. I was unable to find any dinosaurs on Mayan temples. They reached their classic stage in the eight century, four centuries before the Khmers. Both cultures have false flat arch architecture, though the Mayans were far ahead, especially at Uxmal in Yucatan, huge arching, smooth, well cut limestone triangles. Havent seen that anywhere else in Mayan Mexico or Belize or Guatemala
@@helenr4300 Genesis 1 vs 2 and Second Peter 3 6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: Everyone knows about Noah's flood. Capice
@@bluesky6985 *_"Genesis 1 vs 2"_* Well, if you are taking that as evidence for two floods, there were two Creations and two sets of Commandments. {:-:-:}
@@bluesky6985 I have never taken the creation story to be a flood, just that the writer started with waters so land could be created. And why do you cite 13000 yrs ago? Where does than number come from?
@@helenr4300 Second Peter 3 8 says a thousand years with man is day with God. The 6 days of the creation was 6000 years he rested a day another 1000 years and it's been 6000 years since Adam. and Eve 13000 years. The last word in vs 2 waters can also be translated flood.
Something happened at the end of the ice age. Stories were created and passed down in story form before there was any other means. There were floods. Perhaps massive rains and tidal waves. It is great to be righteous in this time in our history. Does a God exist? Look around. I see God everywhere. Is there good? Is there evil? I see both everywhere. Do we have a purpose? That is the question we should be asking instead of lookinging for ways to accept evil over good. Until we recogonise and practice good human virutes. We will neither be worthy or deserve to know and be part of "The Great truth"
Seven thousand years ago a part of Etna erupted a huge chunk of the amount dropped in the sea so a huge tsunami happened in Mediterranean so sea water bursts through the Dardanelles and the Black sea got the salty water we see today.
Here is the thing about the bible being literal as believed by the fundamentalists. I touched on this in my own vids. The apologists will adamantly state that the Sumerian story and Hebrew story of the great flood is different. And yes the details and characters are different. But the outline of the basic plot is essentially the same. God has a problem with man, wipes man out with a flood, saves one (or a family), then God has regret about the matter. The fundamentalists cannot reconcile this. The Hebrew story of the great flood is borrowed at best and isn't theirs. So you not only have all the science genres that completely disprove a world wide flood was sent by the Hebrew God but now ancient writings do as well. Cheers, DCF
> The Hebrew story of the great flood is borrowed at best and isn't theirs How did you come to that conclusion? And just pointing to parallel Mesopotamian stories wont cut it, you'll have to demonstrate literary dependence.
Fight hard brother,preach Why is your caption on'"The bio of God depicts an old Indian guru as God"?My God,the Almighty is not limited by time to age.Fri this siple fact u can see the arguments yiu are putting forward have no roots.Keep a good fight brother but lies never win.
Flooding away the bad which has accumulated in the world and starting anew is a metaphor for the rebirth of one self in life. Only Sunday School Children believe it is a literal or stolen story. It's code. It first appeared in the Epic of Gilgamesh. You can't see that?
There is a whole ton of room between "literal" and "metaphor". Just because it isn't talking about complete historical fact, doesn't mean there aren't also historical remembrances worked into the story. I mean, in regard to the flood specifically it is difficult to say. But clearly other parts of the bible are a mix of loose history and legend... which is really what a lot of mythology actually is anyway. Not so different than modern "historical fiction", which uses historical events, even sometimes historical characters, interwoven into a fictional narrative. But even the narrative itself can be representative of man's social evolution, which is "historical", loosely. The evolution from human sacrifice to animal to symbolic. The remembrance of a common human origin. Or the exaggerated description of say a tent that was a temple, into a massive structure. Does that mean these things weren't "historical"? Well, yes and no right? It's describing something historical, just using a lot of fiction to do so. And then the later youo get in the Hebrew bible, the more historically accurate it gets. Not that it is ever fully accurate, but nevertheless. Assyria actually conquered Canaan. Babylon actually conquered Canaan and took people into captivity. The Persians actually defeated Babylon and freed many of those people. I mean.... the Hebrew bible is a multilayered text. And I haven't even gotten into all the symbolism and esoteric mysticism taken from Egyptian/Greek mystery schools for instance. Which are certainly in the work itself also.
@@jessereichbach588 IMHO, They simply created the verbal teaching material for their people in their time and place. Yes it will contain elements of their culture in order for it to be meaningful to them. It will list their cities, rulers, exploits, etc. But like Greek Myth, just because there are correctly named cities to sail from does not mean they had to defeat a cyclops or a hydra. What is an Ark? It is a story that carries a nested lesson. The religions are the carrier. A real Ark exists, but only as a metaphor with spiritual teaching nested inside. There is a fixed way to recover them and I have been putting some work up on it. It is a mental, verbal process. Similar to interpreting fables only these play out in the psyche.
*_"What about the evolution myth."_* There is no "evolution myth", except the nonsensical, cartoon version spouted by Flat Earther YECs with zero education in biology. {:-:-:}
@@questioneverything4633 What? Silly statements like this just show you don't know what evolution is. Why did you had to mention Darwin? Even if Darwin was wrong completely why would you think that disproves anything? Darwin lived like 200 years ago I am sure he believed in lots of crazy stuff. But let's analyze what evolution actually is. All evolution is change in descendant's over time, that's it nothing more nothing less. That change leads to two living organisms with a same ancestor to be unable to to interbreed with each other but can interbreed with other more closely related to them. That's speciation. If you believe in some American heretical non Christian evangelist cult, and they teach that world is 6000 years old or some other crazy heresy you believe that both of these things happened after Noah left the Ark. Now what you don't believe in is that all living things had a common ancestor, this is called common ancestor theory not evolution. Now why do people that know about this subject think all living things have a common ancestor, it's simple no one was able to divide living things into multiple groups in such a way that the common characteristics are not close to other group so they are distinct groups.
So I guess this is to calm the burden souls of the ones separating them selves from god and his word. While comforting to know you will not be the only ones that cannot enter the kingdom of heaven. Just remember any news that is factual today will be that of a story or myth tomorrow. And today there is more Science and archeological evidence proving of a global flood then not.
Cite one piece of scientific evidence that proves the global flood (something that isn't even possible in science as it requires 3x the water on the planet).
He fundamentally misunderstands what "myths" are. They are a mix of legends and historical remembrances and even sometimes loose historical facts. "Loose history" wrapped in stories, lessons, allegory, metaphor and symbolism. The Hebrew bible is a multilayered text and there are numerous ways to understand it. All having different levels of validity.
I don't think children are particularly upset by the story of Noah because it's so obviously a fairy story. It rather resembles the story of James and The Giant Peach with nasty stupid grownups being punished by death for their nastiness and stupidity. They jeer at Noah while he's building the ark and their subsequent fate is poetic justice. Of course if you look at the story from a theological perspective, which young children are very unlikely to do, the idea of a genocidal deity is disturbing.
Myth is itself a mix of legend and historical remembrance. Different myths have more or less of that historical remembrance in them. It's best to think of it like modern historical fiction. Just with much "looser" history.
On a side note "Universal Holocaust" would be a great name for a heavy metal band
Let's roc
@@kingaries488 Or perhaps "The Genocidal Deity."
Or Xenocide?
Too funny!
Sure. One hit wonder?
Thank You
for all of your lectures.
Noah's Ark told for children is related to the idea of lots of animals for them to play with, draw and otherwise respond. When used in school I have focussed on a conversation about what might we do differently if we had a brand new start - lots of environmental responses, then talked about how we can make some of those changes without starting over.
Among church goers the story they think they know is the child hood summary (as with nativity merging version.) they are surprised that not just the 2 by 2 option. As for time of the written version - has to be after the food laws - at Noah's point in the genesis timeline there was no concept given of clean and unclean animals.
There was a concept of clean and unclean animals. Enoch walked with God and taught men. Even Abel knew what a valid sacrifice was. It just wasn't recorded as law yet. But God communicated with men in the Adamic line and they knew what he wanted from them.
@@questioneverything4633 According to Genesis there is a major contradiction regarding Enoch. One author of Genesis claims Enoch was Cains son but yet another author in Genesis says the same Enoch was the son of Jared... in fact the second author actually doesn't think Cain or Able even existed and thus imports the character Seth as the first son of Adam.
Using a fictional character doesn't really help your argument. However, your assumption that God told anyone what was considered to be a clean or unclean animal prior to the stories about Moses and Aaron is not quoting the Bible but rather grasping at straws to try to create something out of nothing.
@@ObjectiveEthics Your argument is completely invalid.
There is no contradiction. There were many people named Enoch in Biblical times. Most Hebrew names are recycled. There are still many men named Moses or Isaiah or even Enoch today in Hebrew communities.
The Bible shows a second bloodline with another Enoch in the line during the same time period, but the Bible also has examples of multiple men named Nathan being alive at the same time and place. We know there are many thousands of Davids alive today. So what? Does the existence of an average David today invalidate the possibility that a very important David might be alive somewhere else? No.
Your opinions are the fiction, not Enoch.
Next, your claims about multiple authors in Genesis are completely unproven. It is a theory based on the multiple literary styles in the book, not a fact. I can write in multiple styles and even multiple languages. Why couldn't Moses? It could be that it was multiple narratives written by the same person and woven together later. Or it could be a single author writing in different ways according to the inspiration of God. Or it could be a single author recording an older set of oral traditions which came in these various styles at various points as a sort of mnemonic to help memorize the story through patterns. Oral traditions do have stylistic patterns like this. But regardless, you have no actual proof of multiple authors. Only conjecture and weak evidence. You are the one grasping at straws.
And I did not say I was quoting the Bible. I used information given in the Bible to draw sound logical conclusions which have also been agreed upon by many scholars for centuries. If you want to disprove my conclusions, it takes more than bitter, surface-level "I became an atheist last week and now I'm a genius" types of efforts.
@@questioneverything4633 No it's quite clearly written that the Enoch you are referring to is only one Enoch but told differently in two contradictory stories. You penchant for lying by trying to conflate a completely unrelated or irrelevant story about a guy named Nathan is hilarious 😂
@@ObjectiveEthics Prove it. Where in the Bible is it "clearly written" that Enoch the son of Cain is the same Enoch named as the son of Jared? Where is this explicitly clarified as you claim?
Hint: It isn't.
Excellentt explanation and video, "sir". whoever does this series, Centre Place is good. A fair and polite but firm and exact discussion of the ugly truths of certain bible myths and traditions.
Centre Place is, in my opinion, leading in promoting a version of Christianity that accepts change. The ground has already moved beneath conventional religions, and it's time for the Church to wake up before it's too late. Christianity, unlike Islam and Judaism, is malleable. In other words, you can introduce the most progressive version of Christianity and still keep it as a faith. That is obviously not possible with pre-philosophical religions such as Islam and Judaism, where the central character (God) is not hypercosmic and sometimes plays both the role of goodness and evil.
The Sumerians and Egyptians both lived on the flood plain of mighty rivers such as the Euphrates, Tigris and Nile that flooded at least once each year, as have countless other lesser known civilizations that were exiting simple subsistence agriculture style living. Sea levels have also changed over the course of time, causing many areas to become flooded that were once inhabited by people.
The Hebrew Flood myth obviously came from the earlier Sumerian/Acadian Gilgamesh flood story about bringing back the lost knowledge of an ancient past, which itself is a common mythological theme.
You don't get it. The stories stem from history. They aren't some procession of evolving tales but tales with a common origin.
@@questioneverything4633 Wrong.
@@questioneverything4633 As far as the ancient Egyptian’s belief in an origin story goes, there never was a single belief in how things began….ever. All of this talk online about how the ancient Egyptians themselves believed in a prior culture that they somehow inherited simply isn’t true. There were many different creation myths that referred to the Zep Tepi, (The first occasion) They were all based on the belief of an emergence of some type of a creator god coming out of a watery abyss on a mound called the ben ben at the beginning of history, sometimes out of a lotus flower, and eventually that god starts creating the rest of the world…including humans and all of the other gods.
The watery beginning of each of these stories was based on something that actually happened each year if you lived on the Nile river floodplain. New life seemingly emerged out of the watery chaos at the end of each year’s Nile inundation season and things began drying out. One of the most popular creation stories that ended up influencing other creation myths was the one based in Heliopolis.
Each place along the Nile seems to have started their own animal cult based on a site that he’d been deemed holy. At that place, the temple would be built and successive temples would be created to replace older temples over the years, at the same spot. The site itself was where the god dwelt and it represented the divine force. Dr Donald Redford describes it by saying it’s as if “the animal world was an Avatar for the divine world.”
@@davidleomorley889 a flooding nile is not the source of hundreds of flood stories around the globe. There was a real flood. A big flood which everyone experienced.
If the flood stories only came from the middle east, your idea would have some weight, but a mile flood doesn't explain why the ancient american cultures told the same or very similar tales of an old global flood.
@@questioneverything4633
There are two basic ways to come to believe" in things in life today. One is by behaving rationally and the other is by having faith in someone.
>Being rational means examining the available evidence, listening to the educated professionals in the specific field of study who have examined it in detail and who have conducted experiments on it, keeping an open mind and maintaining a healthy amount of skepticism during the process of research.
Theories are usually presented first by writing a paper explaining their specific theory and the experiments they used to come to their conclusion. Their peers then examine the theory, replicate the experiments, conduct new experiments, all in an ongoing attempt to see if the theory is valid. If the theory survives all of the scrutiny it receives, it usually moves forward and is accepted by more and more of the rational people in that society.
This process is referred to as science.
This is how Einstein's theory of relativity was presented…and how it survives yet today.
>Acting on faith requires no evidence, only the belief in a person’s claims. When their claims don’t hold up to their peer's scrutiny, it simply doesn't matter to those who have faith...because that IS the essence of what faith is.
The words and opinions they are speaking are seen as being unquestionably true by the faithful.
>Believers in Santa Claus have faith in the words of their parents.
>Those who follow the Abrahamic religions have faith in ancient texts.
>Mormons have faith in the written words of an American scam artist, Joseph Smith.
>Scientologists have faith in the written words of L. Ron Hubbard.
>Those who believe what Randall Carlson tells them have faith in Randall Carlson.
>Those who believe what Graham Hancock tells them have faith in Graham Hancock.
>Those who believe what Brien Foerster tells them have faith in Brien Foerster.
>Those who believe what the guy on Uncharted X tells them have faith in what he tells them.
>Those who believe in Edward Casey’s miracles have faith in the words of those who claim those miracles happened.
>Those who believe in "advanced ancient technology" and a “worldwide pre-flood culture” have faith in the book authors they heard that information from…whether it was on TH-cam, Facebook, TV or in a book.
>Ancient Astronaut theorists have faith in the words of people like Zecharia Sitchin and the words of TV personalities like Giorgio A. Tsoukalos.
>Those who believe in an ancient race of giants have faith in the people who are claiming that an ancient race of giants once existed.
“Religion is a culture of faith; science is a culture of doubt.”
― Richard Feynman
Science actually claims very little. Science is simply a method of discovery that uses peer reviewed experiments and evidence to examine theories and determine truths.
When new experiments produce new found truths, science moves to support those new truths. That’s all science really does.
> I rely on the method of science, because I am a rational human being.
Dude you really stepped up that format game. Nice look
45:30 I think the story of Noah for children teaches that even bad people can be saved, as only Noah was good but his family was not as good.
There are much better secular sources to teach the same without inculcating children to believe abject mythology is true. How about using The Great Flood myth and Noah's Ark to teach children (and adults) to apply basic reason and science to expose these fallacies.
@@douglasrasmussen480 clown
What version of the Bible are you reading? "The bad people" you are referring to were killed in a mass genocide attributed to God of the Jews and Christians and Muslims. That God even killed all the babies in the world according to the Bible. Were babies bad people? You really need to take a hard look into the implications of the Noah's flood story.
I think that's the standard Christian reading.
"The Ark" is The Church, which contains both good and bad people.
@@douglasrasmussen480 Secular or not, at the end all morality is made up and therefore dogmatic.
This was one of my favorites! Thank you ❤️
Is there a way I can come to a lecture from this guy? These are informative and entertaining.
Subscribe to the channel. They are al in there. He is very respectful and honest with regards of the subjects and different points of views. Cheers.
You like being lied to
@@bluesky6985tell me, which part is false?
@@Mr._Warlight I didn't listen to much of it because I don't listen to drivel. The title says it all
@@bluesky6985me neither, but I'm not a bible believer and non of us were there so maybe he made a good case.
I LOVE this channel! And i love all of you reading this
Intrigued! By lecturer & CoC, i love the intellectual energy & idea of a Church that welcomes this discussion. I'm a geologist so thank you for including that info
The flood story in the bible is a variation of the epic of Gilgamesh. A sumarian story.
Don’t forget the story of Atlantis, related by Plato. A sudden end of the Ice age by some means would cause vast changes far beyond our experiences.. A lifting of the weight of vast glaciers would among thing cause a movement of the crust, which though we think of unmoveable is very thin in relation to the size of the earth.
Moses copied Gilgamesh?
@@johnschuh8616 Don't forget the flood of New Jersey
John Hamer is always fun to watch, great stuff. Should read my work on mythology of the Younger Dryas Impacts Theory. BTW, I was on the floor gaffing overflow feeds out of that courtroom when that picture was taken of Warren Jeffs and the swat dudes wouldn't even move their gun barrels out of my way, there were rumors that the LDS's were going to storm the building. The scene with him so somber and meek it was like a modern version from 2,00 years ago. Selling little girls to the highest bidder.
" Should read my work on mythology of the Younger Dryas Impacts Theory."
Nobody should waste time on that nonsense "theory"
@@MrGreensweightHist How do you explain the extraterrestrial proxies spread over 1/3 of the globe? Where is your work? I might read it.
@@bardmadsen6956 "How do you explain the extraterrestrial proxies spread over 1/3 of the globe? "
ROFLMAO.
I don't explain nonsense that does not exist. 🤣
"Where is your work? I might read it.:
Where is yours?
Any idiot can write a book.
Show me experiments and per reviewed data.
@@MrGreensweightHist Comet Research Group Scientific Publications, I asked first.
@@bardmadsen6956 "Comet Research Group Scientific Publications,"
Is not a source.
Specific articles are sources.
Do you have one linking Younger Dryas and the impact HYPOTHESISS to the flood myths?
"I asked first."
Yes, I am aware your first go to was shifting the burden of proof.
I'm not biting.
your videos are the best. thank you for them
There are volcanic events at the time that could have caused tsunamis. One in particular is that of Thera/Santorini. This powerful volcano caused great damage especially to to Minoan culture of Crete but is also recorded by the Egyptians.
In the Indian Ocean there is geological evidence of volcanic eruptions on a grand scale.
Cyclops myths come from the skulls of elephants. The nasal passage in the skull is so huge that it was conjectured that this was a skull of a giant with one large eye.
Fantastic NECESSARY explanation, michaeltelson.
Thanks!
This video won't buffer for me past the 12 minute mark unless in 1080p. All lower resolutions refuse to buffer past that. You would think any buffering issues would be the other way around but no. Tested several other videos (feed videos at random). All worked fine in all resolutions. Came back to this video and same issue. Anyone have a clue what's up with that. Maybe YT borked the upload somehow?
Same for me. I tend to listen at 144p while I play computer games. Maybe if we give i a few more hours to render properly?
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Actually, it's working for me now at 360p.
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@@ansfridaeyowulfsdottir8095 It's also working for me now at 144p (I do the same thing, lol). It must have been some sort of delay on fully processing the video I suppose.
While I was still looking for a solution I found one google help questioner with the exact same problem and they had one reply of someone saying they had that issue to. But no solution was given and the topic was locked. Thinking back I vaguely recall that I've had this issue once or twice before and found no solution then either.
I really wonder what this is exactly. Something on TH-cam's end? Maybe high volume traffic on the site in general slows some functionality? Or maybe it's an export thing with videos to be uploaded. Like some minor undisclosed aspect that the uploader simply doesn't like. Maybe a full 60fps instead of 59fps. Some weird little thing one might never think of that throws it off processing and makes it take hours longer than it says it does?
[edit] it broke at 33:30 with a message this time that it's unable to play at the chosen resolution. Refresh seems to have correct it. This is so weird
@@The1Helleri
*_"...unable to play at the chosen resolution."_*
Yes, I get that as well sometimes.
I think it's something to do with the length and quality of the video, the number of formts it's being uploaded in and maybe the uploader's channel and/or internet connection. Most of the time there no problem, but sometimes it cannot be played at lower resolution as they all take time to render and be available, and sometimes it stops with that resolution message, but refreshing the screen usually works, as you say.
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Title should definitely be A flood myth.
The flood myth is the reason I deconstructed my Christian faith. Never looked back.
"Oral history can't be accurate after 4000 years" . Indigenous Australians: Hold my goon...
There are native American stories which claim to have protected animals during a big flood. It's really spooky reading some of the native American flood myths.
Why would different cultures who had no contact (many) all have flood “myths” unless there was some truth to it?
@Chris Berry There's a reason why he didn't mention the younger dryas impact Hypothesis. It goes against the narrative
@YouTw1tFace maybe they lived in a flood zone
@@YouTw1tFacebecause floods happen in lots of places
@@YouTw1tFace Every year some place on Earth floods. Do you really think they are all related to the Noah myth?
Oh my gosh..my high school history teacher discussed the Black Sea Flood Hypothesis when we were studying the ancient world!
I suspect flood myths are more psychological than anything. Maybe we as humans have an inner disposition to like those myths. Carl Jung?
I've always enjoyed this guy and his talks, but I got to say, when it comes to the most obviously fake, invented religion entirely made up by a convicted charlatan and fraud, it's a toss up between Mormon and Scientology.
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Islam is also hilarious, When you read the hadiths some of the stories are really funny. Like when Muhammads one of wifes caught him cheating with the house slave and told him not to do it anymore a week later Allah read him a verse from the eternal Quran "O Prophet! Why do you prohibit ˹yourself˺ from what Allah has made lawful to you, seeking to please your wives?".
Whatever- Christianity makes way more sense than Scientology.
Let's say all Abrahamic Religions are man made
You forgot islam and jehovah's witnesses. Both a bunch of crazy talk as well.
@@lukec.872 Atheism makes more sense than Christianity
Great lecture! Thanks!!
This is fascinated ,,,
I didn't realize that there was slavery in this religion.
Jesus didnt aprove slavery but most americans wanted cheap levis in 1859
@@jussikankinen9409 Jesus did not condemn slavery or the old testament enough to be considered a moral person.
Concerning oral stories lasting for thousands of years: the Chinese government built a road around a valley, 6 hour drive, because the locals will not go into that evil place where death is. They know nothing about a village being drowned in a flood a few thousand years ago.
So even that didn't survive, only the fear of the place lives on. The flood story lives on in a book of ancient Chinese folklore for children.
Archaeologists, geologists, paleontologists and anthropologists have proven that Indigenous Australians have stories that are over 10,000 years old, some of them even older. My mother's mob has a story that's been proven to be over 13,000 years old. Our oral traditions are unchanging, it's a part of our culture.
12500 years ago was big flood when asteroid hit ice and ice age ended, sea level rise 200 meters and most cities are under water
LOL. Is that when Neversink, NY sank?
There is good evidence for this. Randall Carson and the other English guy.
Now that's comedy.
@@MICKEYISLOWD Graham Hancock
And...
People who lived down in the valley by the river are regularly flooded.
We didn't get flooded because we live about 500 feet above the river.
And the grounds slope away from our mansion. Wise choice !
The problem with the live lectures is that questions disrupt the flow.
I really wished that they would let him speak free of interruptions. He doesn't seem to mind and is gracious with people but they should wait until the end to comment or ask questions.
@@notsocrates9529 That is so true. And most times the "questions" are just really inane or seem to just be an attempt to demonstrate how "smart" the person asking it thinks they are. The live lectures are so tedious and irritating, sometimes I have to shut them off. I remember one with this one particular woman who just wouldn't shut up, interjecting her own opinions and "knowledge" nearly every four or five minutes. Lol, found myself thinking "shut up shut up shut up shut up shut up" every time she opened her mouth. I couldn't finish it, and that was disappointing because it would have been of great interest to me. He should definitely only do these online lectures and let the audience stay at home.
There is also the Persian Gulf story. Juris Zarins, archeologist, explored evidence of the Garden of Eden existing in the Persian Gulf during the Ice Age.
Then if you follow the Epic of Gilgamesh, which tells of the flood and also the Garden of Eden, Juris's theory is that after the Ice Age ends, rising sea
levels cause the flooding of Eden! That story makes the most sense to me.
There was a rising of sea water when the Ice Age ends. It covered hundreds of coastal cities; but it was Not the Flood. The Ice Age occurred as a result of the Flood.
@@VaxtorT how do you know that?
@@VaxtorT For that to be true, wooly mammoths were on an ark.
@@VaxtorT Is the ice age in Genesis or another book?
10:30 in and I'm enjoying where this is going.🤘🤘🤘🤘🤘❤❤😆😆
How is it explained that disconnected people have it in their oral history?
Rivers flood.
Every year some place on Earth floods. In many of the flood stories, they just go to higher land to avoid it.
read somewhere that the cherry tree story is English forklore and just adapted to washington as stated to illustrate his traits
Likely.
It really makes me laugh sometimes when people make claims about "fake American history", especially in the political context which I won't get into, which they almost always confuse with American mythology, like the cherry tree or Paul Revere lore. Thanksgiving even, anyone who understands that as "history", even 50 years ago, wasn't doing a good job of comprehending.
Ham/AiG did NOT build an ark. It is a building with an ark façade on 3 sides.
...and concrete blocks holding it all up on the other.
Check out the Sumerian story called The Epic of Gilgamesh. It is very similar to the Noah Arc story but more scientifically accurate.
John talks about Gilgamesh in the video. (He seems to use the Sandars translation.)
Gilgamesh scientifically accurate?? Have you ever actually read it lol?
And Davy Crockett really grinned a bear to death.
This was excellent!
I always thought it a possibility that the flood myths could actually be a remembrance of the Ice Age, and the massive Ice sheets encroaching upon inhabited lands. But anyway, just one of many possible hypotheses.
This interpretation seems to miss a great deal of what is in the actual text. There is a mix of all these things in the text, it's multilayered certainly. Sure, a lot of it is made up, a mix of legends, historical remembrances, maybe some actual historical fact, and ultimately this is what mythology is. Sometimes more based on historical events, sometimes less. Presuming there is no history is ...... objectively untrue. I suppose it depends on how you want to define "history". Was there a temple in Jerusalem? Probably. What did it look like and what purpose did it serve and so on? Who the heck knows. The Assyrians obviously existed and attacked the Levant numerous times. Are the details of the story all true? Absolutely not. But the Assyrians are real and so is their conquest of Canaan. Same with Babylonians and Persians. This is loose history mixed with legend, mythology.
For the life of me, I don't understand those who think there are only two options, either it's "all literal" all it's "all worthless lies". There is SO much in between ground there that is far more probable. Just because it isn't literal doesn't mean it holds no value and certainly doesn't mean there is no "truth" or "fact" or "history" in there. A lot of loose history certainly. Kind of like "historical fiction" of the modern day. Historical events, maybe some historical people, distorted and wrapped in mythology. Mythology is really loose history wrapped in legend, wisdom and mysticism. Plus there is a lot of "encoded" knowledge in the book also, which you have to kind of know how to understand in order to understand.... no easy answers.
There is SO much more in there than just "legend" and "fiction". And the stories themselves have much deeper meaning and symbolism, often allegorical or metaphorical. Often representing a human phenomenon that isn't in the narrative. Such as the representative nature of the human form, human emotions, the human nervous system as it was understood at the time etc... JUST like the Greek and Egyptian mystery schools. Which is obviously where the authors of the Hebrew bible got many of their ideas. Which they "hid" in the narrative. This is why it's a multi-layered text. This is largely what Kabbalah deals with. Jewish mysticism started in the bible though, not with later Kabbalistic schools.
And it certainly is meant to represent the human journey from ignorance to wisdom. To represent the journey from human sacrifice to animal sacrifice for the metaphorical sacrifice. To represent, LOOSELY, the relationship between various groups of people. Is this "history"? Well, there are nuggets of historical truth, they just aren't all founded in fact.
For instance, in a few hundred years from now, if someone wanted to write a story with a moral lesson, but also maintain a historical connotation about Nuclear weapons, would one need to accurately describe every event of WW2 and accurately describe the US and Japan in order to infer to the nukes dropped on Japan? No. Does that mean that nukes were not used? Of course not. Nukes were definitely used and their destruction is real. But a story would not need to contain all the facts, it can even wrap the story in fiction and still infer a historical event. You could make up a completely fake country, use the dynamic of WW2, and describe the destruction of nukes. Now all the literal history would be fiction, but it would still be a remembrance of a historical event. JUST like modern "historical fiction" does today.
So to suggest there is no history, is ridiculous. There is obvious "history" it just isn't all historical fact.
I mean, maybe some "Moses" did go up a mountain. He certainly didn't speak to the personage of God on that mountain. Perhaps he still though, spoke with "God" on that mountain. Maybe he meditated a bit, did a lot of chiseling and ate some rough bread. Maybe there was no mountain at all and no "Moses". But obviously the allegory and symbolism is the main point. That doesn't mean it can't also be a historical remembrance though. It just means those remembrances aren't the main purpose. And they are only loosely intertwined with all the rest.
A case of hit and myth I guess....bty...as Climate Change advances some folks might
start wishing these "fairy stories" were true and wish they had a "sky fairy" to ask
for help.....ya ain't seen nuffin yet !
I too for a long time equated the flood myth with the end of the ice age, as the idea of primordial flooding being remembered in a cosmological, romantic sense appeals greatly to me - some how the trauma on the prehistoric hunter gatherers treacling down to Bronze Age farmers is just so epic. Same with the Atlantis and Eden myths being equated to Doggerland flooding. A real life paradise. Though I feel the Noah flood myth more likely has its real life correlations with localised floods - and crucially the fear of floods - during Bronze Age Mesopotamian early farming civilisation.
@@InTheRhettRow You have Noah idea how bad it was !
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Excelent presentation.
The Flood is represented in the Epic of Gilgamesh more truth than myth
All myth, no truth.
Didn't you listen to the lecture?
There WERE four big floods in three important Sumerian cities
The lesson for children: your civilization could end tomorrow. God will direct you as to what you need to do Joseph was sold into slavery into Egypt. How the army of Saul was confronted by Goliath. Bad things happen but there is always a solution.
Well, actually, in the new testament, Jesus does mention the character called Noah.
Well, actually, that's what the lecturer stated.
Actually, John points out that having Jesus mention Noah in the NT is evidence that the story is likely a later composition.
@@ncarmstron now that is interesting!
@10:40
the Ark encounter not flood proof to flood damage.
Wordering if Ken Ham knows about the Ark a Dutchman build that does float, is seaworthy and which has traveled to many places already - towed of cource as it has no engine.
It's now waiting in an English harbour to be towed to Israel when enough money raised and the English authorities gave it permission to leave, there are some envirioment issues.
To be fair the seaworthy "Ark" is basically just a very large modern barge with a wooden skin to make it look like the Ark. Not even remotely close to what the Bible claims Noah built in terms of materials, technology, labor, or time. Then again, Ken Ham's "Ark" also failed in every one of those regards...
@@WileyKing Ken Ham is an Aussie charlatan that took advantage of the superstitious natives of Kentucky ...
@@WileyKing No Kidding. The animals in the pens on Ken Ham's ark are plastic replicas because they could not afford the staff to keep them clean & fed. Apparently Shem, Ham, Japheth & their wives are retired from the zookeeper business.
Could you imagine keeping some poor animal penned up for nearly a year in the bowels of a ship? That would be cruel & abusive. Keeping them alive & well in a modern zoo with a full trained staff, is challenge enough.
@@Herschel1738 Right, how would you feed them all? And even after the flood is over, how long did it take for the plants and trees to regrow. How did the predators find enough prey to eat? Just doesn't add up.
Very deceptive to mention that Aristotle believed Atlantis to be metaphor and leave out the fact that Xenocrates (another student of Plato’s) believed it to be historical fact.
It's probably because nearly everyone knows the name Aristotle and nearly nobody knows the name Xenocrates.... probably for a good reason.
Very deceptive to mention only two people when many more people had thoughts on the subject
@@mrsatire9475 Yes, we must always mention every person whenever discussing history. Every lecture should have 7 hours of just listing everyone.
@@kendrajade6688 Yes, exactly my point. You are sharp.
@Zevelyon - Did you see that ^^^. It's not deceptive to not mention Xenocrates.
Graham Hancock has a lot to say about a universal flood. Very fascinating.
Look up Randall Carlson on TH-cam. He has loads of evidence for a great flood.
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I think the moral that is being taught to children to children is you had better behave or God will judge you. And when God say "jump!" the correct response is "OK how high!?!"
I appreciate what you're doing here, but I'm disappointed you didn't analyze any link with the Epic of Gilgamesh flood myth which predates the biblical version by thousands of years.
As a whole story, it predates Noah’s Flood by about 1,200 years
Yeah, a lot of the archaeological findings in ancient babylon/ur/mesopotamia and even Egypt have proven that a great deal of the "stories" in the Hebrew bible borrow heavily from older mythologies.
@UCQBDkxBn2hmvkFu86FpQqzQ interesting, I would have expected something like that to be presented in chronological order. I watched for about 15 minutes.
If you watch the video, he addresses this "link" multiple times, and has an entire section devoted to Gilgamesh's story.
As a Kansas City native, I've traveled all the land between independence and St Joseph Missouri... There is no good or God to be found there.
Really?
As sure as Smith Jr was a pedophilic con man.
There was a universal flood. Greenland comet impact. 12,000 years ago. Younger dryas. 12,000 years ago.
Yes. There are thousands of flood stories... and a story to follow them.
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Love your lectures!
How did the Easter island statues get buried up to their necks?
They were made out of a quarry and some were never finished.
@@michaelhenry1763 that doesn’t answer how they got buried.
@@termination9353 they never were buried. Statues break overtime or they were left unfinished when the people ran out of resources.
Lastly, Easter Island was not populated until fairly late, roughly 1,300 BCE. This would have happened long after the “ flood”.
@@michaelhenry1763 Go look at the pictures of those “heads” turning out to ALL be large full bodied statues buried up to their necks in one common layer 30 feet deep. Not talking about unfinished statues. Talking abou finished statues that were in place standing and the in what appears to be one fell swoop got buried up to their necks in mud.
@@termination9353 that never happened. What are you talking about? The statues were never buried and I did not see any buried statues.
What sort of conspiracies are you banging on about?
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Where did the water go?
Where did the water come from to begin with? For a global flood to cover everything requires 3x the amount of water that's on the earth.
Good to hear the truth. Wonder what the right wing evangelicals would say.
So there was 1.2 million distinct species of Around at the time of the supposed flood, so I'm just wondering how big that arc was and what it must look like with 1.2 million On bored. Excuse me, two point four million I forgot...it was a pairing for each.
And all the plants too? So, obviously fake. How did platypusses get to and from Australia?
For even Christ did not please himself but, as it is written: “The insults of those who insult you have fallen on me.”
For everything that was written in the past was written to teach us, so that through the endurance taught in the Scriptures and the encouragement they provide we might have hope.
May the God who gives endurance and encouragement give you the same attitude of mind toward each other that Christ Jesus had, so that with one mind and one voice you may glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Noah’s ark represents the moral valorization of history that comes with each epical or New World advance of another newly Universal Civilization, and its subsequent overrunning as it were by barbarian waves, as with Rome and others before.
It then becomes a certain ark of generation in judgment - (hence, Jesus’ seeing the heavens opened in between each Old World and New, and seeing the dove descend upon him in his baptism by John, immortalizing such New World migrations) - in relation to such cycles or circuits of history formed in between and upon each Old World and New in historic succession and stage.
Seen in this way, the five hundred year old Noah is figuratively formed anew by our own New World advance of today, and our now newly Universal Civilization established since Columbus; just as that ark of generation is religiously established upon the 1990s, 2001s, and 2010s, as a lower, second and third story to the ark, as it then becomes the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus, then figured upon such an otherwise millennial turn as well, as it is the building of the ark - (like the 1st century establishment of Christianity) - in preparation of the floods to begin in the next century, since, as it was in the days of Noah, so shall it be at the coming of the Son of man.
It is the diverse ethnicities involved in our New World advance, which become the rainbow established in the heaven of every newly Universal Civilization, as a sign from God then related to such newly universal heights, or ethnographic “evenings”, to such newly aristocratic “mornings” coming over the next epoch, in anticipation of the future kingdoms to come from the Lord judging such previous Universal Civilizations at those heights.
The seven pairs imply a geo-political constellation like the seven churches as they are all clean in such a gathering or washing of regeneration coming with every New World and the Lord; while the unclean relate to the male and female features of rulers and people in each local place of itself, that is morally valorized in the geo-political gathering on the national level.
The first written bible was in ancient cuneiform and some interpretations changed as other regions adopted cuneiform to their languages. Check out Irving Finkle on u tube lecture about how it happened.
That's crazy talk.
@@questioneverything4633 if you like crazy talk watch Irving Finkle u tube video
@@phiddlephart7026 "I heard it on TH-cam and the guy said some big words so it must be true"
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I know what he has to say. It's not convincing. The first biblical texts were almost certainly paleo-hebrew.
@@questioneverything4633 all I'm saying is that changes were made when the oldest bible was adopted into different languages. Some things were left out during interpretation some were added. This is what I got from Irving
@@phiddlephart7026 translation is never a perfect process. I speak and study biblical Hebrew. Translation of the Bible into English leaves out a ton of nuance even when the translation process is done right.
If all the nuance were explained, English Bibles would be 10x thicker.
This is why those who know the original languages say "Reading translated versions of the Bible is like kissing your wife through the bedcovers." You lose most of the special intimacy and it's just not the same.
I don't understand why they would create a flood myth to explain the presence of fish bones on top of a mountain when it seems more reasonable to assume that other people brought them there.
I don't understand why you would create a myth to explain the presence of fish bones on top of a mountain when it seems more reasonable to assume that plate tectonics brought them there.
As I understand the animals were not for consumption by humans until after the flood. what was Abel sacrificing animals for if they were not to eat them? perhaps sacrifice is more of an offering up than killing? Let's stay humble and objective
Sacrificing to God.
Sacrificed animals were eaten. Only bits of them were burned as offerings. Maybe read the Bible and pay attention.
They ate parts, burnt parts. God/El and/or YHWH really got off on the blood and gore, the smell of burning blood and viscera really really "pleased" him.
@@questioneverything4633 Maybe YOU should reread your Bible.
Genesis 1:29 - And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
(ALL living things (man & animals) were given only plants to eat.)
Genesis 4:2-4 - Now Abel kept flocks, and Cain worked the soil. 3 In the course of time Cain brought some of the fruits of the soil as an offering to the Lord. 4 And Abel also brought an offering-fat portions from some of the firstborn of his flock.
(Abel was killing his sheep to offer the fat of the lamb (the best portions) to God. But man & animals had not yet been given permission to eat the animal he killed.)
Genesis 9:1-3 - So God blessed Noah and his sons, and said to them: “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the earth. 2 And the fear of you and the dread of you shall be on every beast of the earth, on every bird of the air, on all that move on the earth, and on all the fish of the sea. They are given into your hand. 3 Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. I have given you all things, even as the green herbs.
(It is only AFTER the Flood that God gives permission for both man & animals to eat meat.)
@@questioneverything4633
It seems that in antiquity humans had misgivings about killing animals, and offering part of a slain animal to a god was a precaution against any bad karma which might arise from such a deed.
The reason for the Flood was the sins of men. The sins were human sacrifice and cannibalism. This was revealed in God’s first words to Noah after the Flood. It is described in the book “God and Wealth The Rise and Fall of Nations.” The moral of the story is the end of human sacrifice to appease God and it is furthered in Abraham’s sacrifice of his son. The further moral is the abomination of cannibalism.
I must be missing something here or reading the wrong verse because I see God's first words to Noah after the flood being : “Come out of the ark, you and your wife and your sons and their wives. Bring out every kind of living creature that is with you-the birds, the animals, and all the creatures that move along the ground-so they can multiply on the earth and be fruitful and increase in number on it.”
What does this have to do with human sacrifice or cannibalism?
How did God not know early humans would have a human sacrifice and cannibalism problem?
Why did God design people to be like that?
Hmmmmm
@@Shannon_Lynch Let me mention also that Yahweh did command child sacrifice in the Covenant Code, in Exodus 22:29-30. No animal substitution yet: "The firstborn of your sons you shall give to me. You shall do the same with your oxen and with your sheep: seven days it shall remain with its mother; on the eighth day you shall give it to me."
Centuries later, this is how Ezekiel (20:25-26) tries to explain it: "Moreover I gave them statutes that were not good and ordinances by which they could not live. I defiled them through their very gifts, in their offering up all their firstborn, in order that I might horrify them, so that they might know that I am the Lord".
And about cannibalism, just read Yahweh's sickeningly sadistic threats in Deuteronomy 28 (especially 52-57).
@@lauterunvollkommenheit4344 ...Ever hear of "allegory" ?
@@TheWhyisthatso Could you be a bit more specific? Where's the allegory?
Thank you
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Yes, there was a universal flood. It's called the ice age.
In the ice age the ice was not universal.
@@vasilybokov7474 figuratively speaking. Yes, the ice caps did not reach the equator.
Personally, I think the ice age was man made or possibly demi god made in response to the flood, to lower the sea level, by moving water to the polar caps in the form of snow and ice.
My rational for that is based on the discovery that the whole globe is a tapestry of continental scale sculptures, that tell a story about human nature.
After the flood waters settled, the shoreline rested at the edged of Atlantis. By the end of the ice age the shoreline had moved 400 mile west of Atlantis where it is today, revealing the tapestry perfectly in its original design.
@@brian5001 you don't think it's helpful to acknowledge and try to understand why there are 8 mile wide tire tracks all over the sea floor?
You don't think it's helpful to see the seasonal tilt of the earth represented in the global land art sculptures? You don't think that the biggest discovery of all time, a message into the future with such magnitude that it can never be erased is not helpful? Really?
@@brian5001 it might actually help with the bigotry issue actually because 3 of the sculptures show a mixed family where the father is white and the mother is black.
Exactly ! Sea level has increased by more than 120 metres since the end of the last ice age.
"People just explaining fossils they found" doesn't explain why all the hundreds of myths around the world have such similar components. One analysis of all flood myths concluded that there were probably about 70 original flood myths from cultures all over the world. And they are all very similar
Have you ever lived through a flood? It floods somewhere on the planet every year
Maybe you're getting your floods mixed up. There was a first earth age that ended 13000 years ago.
Troll?
@@AtmasImpaler he's serious. And full of himself.
Ponce de leon who was supposed to discover the fountain of youth in Florida in the 15 century. This was millennia after the great flood and Jesus and COUNTLESS misinterpretations, exaggerations from humanity that are simply not true. The garden of Eden, Fountain of youth, Dividing the red sea by Moses, The shroud of Turin... That are simply not true. Was there a flood, fountain, a sea and a garden somewhere, most likely, and that's where it stops. So many people in our history and present times, refuse to think for themselves. What is the most likely LOGICAL explanation? (Occom's razor)
You know, it's amazing. We have the same conclusion but somehow everything you said to support that conclusion was wrong.
1) Ponce de Leon was not looking for a fountain of youth, his political rivals made that up to make fun of him.
2) The 15th century CE was not 1000 years BEFORE Jesus or the Great flood it was famously roughly 1500 years after Jesus
@@kendrajade6688
I stand corrected on that account. After...
@kendrajade6688
I stand corrected. It was 'after'... but in the end, it's still a 'great' story. Man loves to tell it's stories.
People started take bible literally when they found cities underground 1850
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You may want to re read . Try doing it with some one to help you comprehend the text... its obvious you cant..can't... good luck
John Hammer is great.
What about sharks on the ark
We do have kind-of-a carving of a stegosaurus on one of our twelve hundred year old Angkor temples here in Cambodia that they show the tourists all the time, but, really, I think it is fake even though there are dinosaurs bones up on the Korat Plateau in Thailand. They havent found stegosaurus up there. Most importantly is the huge Hindu turtle on the back wall of Angkor Wat that tourists hardly notice. It is carrying the world on its back, but I found yet another turtle carving on a Mayan temple in Guatemala (or maybe Yucatan), I will have to check my photos. I was unable to find any dinosaurs on Mayan temples. They reached their classic stage in the eight century, four centuries before the Khmers. Both cultures have false flat arch architecture, though the Mayans were far ahead, especially at Uxmal in Yucatan, huge arching, smooth, well cut limestone triangles. Havent seen that anywhere else in Mayan Mexico or Belize or Guatemala
"the flood proof doesn't have flood insurance" ... 🤣🤣
Neither does Ken sHam's Ark.
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The Bible records 2 floods. The first flood wiped out the first earth age 13000 years ago. Noah's flood was not worldwide it was only regional.
Citation for your 2 floods claim
@@helenr4300 Genesis 1 vs 2 and Second Peter 3 6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:
Everyone knows about Noah's flood. Capice
@@bluesky6985
*_"Genesis 1 vs 2"_*
Well, if you are taking that as evidence for two floods, there were two Creations and two sets of Commandments.
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@@bluesky6985 I have never taken the creation story to be a flood, just that the writer started with waters so land could be created. And why do you cite 13000 yrs ago? Where does than number come from?
@@helenr4300 Second Peter 3 8 says a thousand years with man is day with God. The 6 days of the creation was 6000 years he rested a day another 1000 years and it's been 6000 years since Adam. and Eve 13000 years. The last word in vs 2 waters can also be translated flood.
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Mythologized story: George Washington and the Cherry tree. Good people and or heroes tell the truth even when it hurts.
Something happened at the end of the ice age. Stories were created and passed down in story form before there was any other means. There were floods. Perhaps massive rains and tidal waves.
It is great to be righteous in this time in our history. Does a God exist? Look around. I see God everywhere. Is there good? Is there evil? I see both everywhere. Do we have a purpose? That is the question we should be asking instead of lookinging for ways to accept evil over good. Until we recogonise and practice good human virutes. We will neither be worthy or deserve to know and be part of "The Great truth"
How did the methane not blow the arc all to heaven when noa lit his first lantern
Flood myths occur in all cultures of mankind.
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Seven thousand years ago a part of Etna erupted a huge chunk of the amount dropped in the sea so a huge tsunami happened in Mediterranean so sea water bursts through the Dardanelles and the Black sea got the salty water we see today.
“Flood proof and is not insured against flood damage.” 😂
Here is the thing about the bible being literal as believed by the fundamentalists. I touched on this in my own vids. The apologists will adamantly state that the Sumerian story and Hebrew story of the great flood is different. And yes the details and characters are different. But the outline of the basic plot is essentially the same. God has a problem with man, wipes man out with a flood, saves one (or a family), then God has regret about the matter. The fundamentalists cannot reconcile this. The Hebrew story of the great flood is borrowed at best and isn't theirs. So you not only have all the science genres that completely disprove a world wide flood was sent by the Hebrew God but now ancient writings do as well. Cheers, DCF
> The Hebrew story of the great flood is borrowed at best and isn't theirs
How did you come to that conclusion? And just pointing to parallel Mesopotamian stories wont cut it, you'll have to demonstrate literary dependence.
@@StudiesOfTheAncientNearEast All you have to do is read the stories. I did. Cheers, DCF
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In mesopotamia they were written
How many of you were taught that George Washington chopped down the cherry tree?
Flooding away the bad which has accumulated in the world and starting anew is a metaphor for the rebirth of one self in life. Only Sunday School Children believe it is a literal or stolen story. It's code. It first appeared in the Epic of Gilgamesh. You can't see that?
Most OP can, but not the loony literalists.
There is a whole ton of room between "literal" and "metaphor". Just because it isn't talking about complete historical fact, doesn't mean there aren't also historical remembrances worked into the story. I mean, in regard to the flood specifically it is difficult to say. But clearly other parts of the bible are a mix of loose history and legend... which is really what a lot of mythology actually is anyway. Not so different than modern "historical fiction", which uses historical events, even sometimes historical characters, interwoven into a fictional narrative. But even the narrative itself can be representative of man's social evolution, which is "historical", loosely. The evolution from human sacrifice to animal to symbolic. The remembrance of a common human origin. Or the exaggerated description of say a tent that was a temple, into a massive structure.
Does that mean these things weren't "historical"? Well, yes and no right? It's describing something historical, just using a lot of fiction to do so. And then the later youo get in the Hebrew bible, the more historically accurate it gets. Not that it is ever fully accurate, but nevertheless. Assyria actually conquered Canaan. Babylon actually conquered Canaan and took people into captivity. The Persians actually defeated Babylon and freed many of those people. I mean.... the Hebrew bible is a multilayered text. And I haven't even gotten into all the symbolism and esoteric mysticism taken from Egyptian/Greek mystery schools for instance. Which are certainly in the work itself also.
@@jessereichbach588 IMHO, They simply created the verbal teaching material for their people in their time and place. Yes it will contain elements of their culture in order for it to be meaningful to them. It will list their cities, rulers, exploits, etc. But like Greek Myth, just because there are correctly named cities to sail from does not mean they had to defeat a cyclops or a hydra. What is an Ark? It is a story that carries a nested lesson. The religions are the carrier. A real Ark exists, but only as a metaphor with spiritual teaching nested inside. There is a fixed way to recover them and I have been putting some work up on it. It is a mental, verbal process. Similar to interpreting fables only these play out in the psyche.
creationists do believe noah took dinosours. he woukd have taken eggs for all the big ones i assume.
and the water would havebeen fresh
Is proven the disaster in the black sea
Geography wasnt like today
And jesus didnt write a word
So who knows
Is not even the places were these happened
What about the evolution myth.
What evolution myth?
*_"What about the evolution myth."_*
There is no "evolution myth", except the nonsensical, cartoon version spouted by Flat Earther YECs with zero education in biology.
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Darwin's evolution is a myth. Evolution happens on some scale, but not in the way darwin claimed.
@@questioneverything4633 What? Silly statements like this just show you don't know what evolution is. Why did you had to mention Darwin? Even if Darwin was wrong completely why would you think that disproves anything? Darwin lived like 200 years ago I am sure he believed in lots of crazy stuff. But let's analyze what evolution actually is. All evolution is change in descendant's over time, that's it nothing more nothing less. That change leads to two living organisms with a same ancestor to be unable to to interbreed with each other but can interbreed with other more closely related to them. That's speciation. If you believe in some American heretical non Christian evangelist cult, and they teach that world is 6000 years old or some other crazy heresy you believe that both of these things happened after Noah left the Ark. Now what you don't believe in is that all living things had a common ancestor, this is called common ancestor theory not evolution. Now why do people that know about this subject think all living things have a common ancestor, it's simple no one was able to divide living things into multiple groups in such a way that the common characteristics are not close to other group so they are distinct groups.
@@FilipCordas so much wind, so little knowledge. Science has led you astray.
So I guess this is to calm the burden souls of the ones separating them selves from god and his word. While comforting to know you will not be the only ones that cannot enter the kingdom of heaven. Just remember any news that is factual today will be that of a story or myth tomorrow. And today there is more Science and archeological evidence proving of a global flood then not.
Cite one piece of scientific evidence that proves the global flood (something that isn't even possible in science as it requires 3x the water on the planet).
Flood stories all over the world, but it's fake. So if you call them myths that makes them myths.
He fundamentally misunderstands what "myths" are. They are a mix of legends and historical remembrances and even sometimes loose historical facts. "Loose history" wrapped in stories, lessons, allegory, metaphor and symbolism. The Hebrew bible is a multilayered text and there are numerous ways to understand it. All having different levels of validity.
I don't think children are particularly upset by the story of Noah because it's so obviously a fairy story.
It rather resembles the story of James and The Giant Peach with nasty stupid grownups being punished by death for their nastiness and stupidity.
They jeer at Noah while he's building the ark and their subsequent fate is poetic justice.
Of course if you look at the story from a theological perspective, which young children are very unlikely to do, the idea of a genocidal deity is disturbing.
Is it a myth
Myth is itself a mix of legend and historical remembrance. Different myths have more or less of that historical remembrance in them. It's best to think of it like modern historical fiction. Just with much "looser" history.
Religion is the ultimate myth.
So around 500bc
They didnt exist before us a people
I believe that platon didnt make it up