Jesus' Jewish Roots
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- Jesus and his original followers were Jews, but because the first Christians quickly went into schism with their former co-religionists, Jesus’ Jewish roots have often been obscured. John Hamer of Toronto Centre Place will look at the historical Jesus and the earliest Christian groups within the context of Second Temple Judaism and contemporary Jewish sects, teachings, and practices.
A Q&A and discussion will follow the presentation. Please send your questions on the live chat.
Lecture topics include:
Second Temple Judaism
Rabbinic Judaism
Ancient Israel
Historical Jesus of Nazareth
Historicity of Jesus
Quest for the historical Jesus
Biblical studies
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The amount of Academic knowledge you provide in these videos is astonishing
Could listen to this guy for hours
Me too, and I have. :)
@@hantms Me tooooooo!
This guy is completely wrong. The Gospel of Jesus was originally one book, written by Lazarus in consultation with the Apostles [John 21:24] and published soon after Jesus left them on their own. The religion was hijacked by Rome, the Gospel was broken up scrambled adulterated into a bunch of competing narratives. Later four of those adulterated gospels were canonized with falsely ascribed authorship and a Gnosticism cover-story. It was the finding of an original Gospel of Jesus scroll in Jerusalem that gained the Knights Templar power over the Church and their eventual undoing when the church finally retaliated against them Friday 13th.
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@@termination9353cool story bro got any documentation on that spicy theory
This man is a walking encyclopedia! Just love his lectures. I could listen to him all day. Great lecture. Thank you.
I couldn't explain it better
I love your lectures! I find them very thoroughly researched. A few of the lectures you did with live audiences completely killed my interest because there were lots of talkers and not enough listeners.
I get that you want it to be interactive, but this type of interaction is sooooo much better then listening to you get interrupted 40-50 times in 2 hours.
Thank you for what you do!🙏🏽
I agree, this format is better. You should always keep questions at a dedicated time slot after the lecture proper
Agreed.
Not trying to be uncharitable, but many of the audience "talkers" seemed to want: to show hiw much THEY knew, or to try to "enhance" the lecture with whatever had popped into their mind, and usually had poor timing and therefore disprupted or derailed the flow of the lecture.
It was almost like they thought they were part of some round table discussion, and not a lecture audience member.
Occasionally I was even shocked with that level of rudeness and selfishness.
I'm not trying to ascribe bad motive or cast shame, that was just my reaction and impression as a listener keenly focused on the excellent presentation and information
People are funny 🙂
It's not an audience. It's his congregation. 🤦♀️
I agree as well. The comments broke the flow of communication.
This guy is completely wrong. The Gospel of Jesus was originally one book, written by Lazarus in consultation with the Apostles [John 21:24] and published soon after Jesus left them on their own. The religion was hijacked by Rome, the Gospel was broken up scrambled adulterated into a bunch of competing narratives. Later four of those adulterated gospels were canonized with falsely ascribed authorship and a Gnosticism cover-story. It was the finding of an original Gospel of Jesus scroll in Jerusalem that gained the Knights Templar power over the Church and their eventual undoing when the church finally retaliated against them Friday 13th.
For anyone interested in this type of material there is not a better source available anywhere than these podcast if you want a accurate accessible sympathetic portrayal of religious beliefs , history and evolution. Many of your lectures are far better certainly more entertaining than many I endured at college and they are free can't beat that
This lecture format is so much better than listening to you being interrupted by people in the audience endlessly. Please, if you go back to a live video format, make people wait until the end to ask their questions. I enjoy your lectures so much but having to listen to people correct you or try to get their say in, just throws the flow off so much and really makes it unenjoyable to have to follow on the internet. Even if I disagree on points, I would rather listen to you make your point than listen to endless interjections.
I loved it! John and the Centre Place team do an amazing job!
Thank you
John seems kinder than and more agreeable than any character from the panoply of religious writings. He should start his own cult based on his intellect and generosity of spirit and in a hundred years it’d be considered a proper religion just like Karate or Thorism.
Hahaha 🎉🎉🎉
Not sure Karate is a cult or religion but it has served me well on the streets.
It would be awesome to get a lecture on Isaiah. It is so influential but so daunting to understand for someone who wasn't raised religious.
Just read it yourself.
@@Benjamin-jo4rf I read it. It's not a clear or obvious text.
@@stevenv6463 your right ght
I thought “tekton”, the word used to describe Jesus’ occupation, was closer to “builder” than “wood worker”. Looking up resources on this it appears that “contractor” would also be analogous. But it doesn’t specify anything to do with wood. It’s possible, but more likely he was a stone mason, or general contractor.
Yes agreed . I'm no biblical scholar but that is my understanding from the research I have done.
This is correct, but the identification of tekton as specifically woodworker came from the Septuagint. When talking about the types of workers in charge of building the Temple, the Septuagint makes a distinction between the woodworkers, the iron/metalworkers, and the masons/stoneworkers. Tekton is specifically used for the woodworkers. Later Christians assumed that Matthew, being very well-versed in the Septuagint, was using the word in accordance with the meaning there. They didn't realize that Mark, who was NOT well-versed in the Septuagint, actually started the tradition. In Jesus' time, tekton was used for artisans in general. This is why modern critical scholars think it doesn't necessarily mean woodworker.
Jesus Christ. Messiah and plumber. Will save your soul and fix your pipes (whenever he gets around to it)
@@edible0pig jesus who? Is he the son of mr. Joseph christ/yahweh christ and their wife mrs Mary christ? Or are you referring to yeshua of nazareth? Don't you remember that the romans killed his hiney? His country judah was under the colonization of the roman empire before and during his lifetime, after his death judah was still under the colonization of the roman empire. He couldn't fix a single pipe about it. The romans arrested and crucified his hiney, he couldn't save his own soul and he couldn't fix a single pipe about it. The romans exploded the jerusalem temple to the ground, he couldn't fix a pipe about it. The ark of the covenant got lost, he couldn't fix a pipe about it. They ransacked and annihilated his country people, he couldn't save a single soul of them.
The dead don't fix pipes so keep your illusions to yourself and stop causing havoc, nightmares and trauma to meak, innocent people.
You are so amazing. Your congregation has its own Wise Man!
love your lectures
U.S. Episcopalian in Seattle
Dr. James Tabor has suggested that Jesus was a stone mason "...As it turns out, the word in Greek (tekton/τεκτων), that Mark uses here, translated commonly in English as “carpenter,” is better translated more generically as “builder,” and might just as easily refer to a stone mason." I've also heard him explain other reasons why it would make sense that Jesus was a stone mason.
Thank you! I feel so bad that I have to learn about the early Christian church from other denominations than from my own denomination. I feel that they have robbed me from something. God bless you.
Is there a lecture or series that explains the influence of other religions on Judaism?
(No 2 different religions try to mix then the great schism) Phrygia not turkey lol Galatia not galilee lol
Its funny coz people think Christianity came out of Judaism that Christ was Jew or Jewish loled and people believe !! they may think that coz it was there for a time . only time Christ went to a Jewish temple was turned from a other temple into Judaism i believe ! .
look up
Phrygian Quarry
Dacia and Caspi , Phrygia ! .
@8:33 That was a good one there. My grandad was a pastor and he had these bibles with the 'ye', 'thine', 'thou', 'thee' etc. I always thought that was the type of patios spoken during jesus lifetime. Now I realize I was so wrong that even the word "wrong" sounds right.
He wasn't merely a Jew. According to the Talmud and the Mandaeans, he was also Babylonian royalty.
Can you do a video on non traditional Israelite sects like Ethiopian Jews, Igbo Jews, and Black American Israelites? Also, who are Ashkenazi Jews and how are they different from Sephardic and other Jews? Who was Arthur Koestler?
I believe the mistaken name "Chrestos" with first vowel as eta instead of iota means "useful," and was a typical slave name (like Fido, faithful, for a dog). Thus the earliest Christianity was thought of as a slave religion, as it probably did in fact have many slaves among its earliest members.
Geest Christ or Jesus
Gibson was interviewed saying he didn’t want a blue eyed jesus. They put brown contacts on the actor’s blue eyes. Still, he looks looks European, not middle eastern.
If Jesus was from Galilee then there is a possibility that here may have had "European" features as the word "Galilee ' in Hebrew means "Land of gentiles". The area was conquered during the Hasmonaean period from the Seleucid Greeks and forcibly converted to Judaism. In Seleucid times the Greek kings had retired some of their Scythian mercenaries in the area and actually one of the largely Greek culture Decapolis cities in the area was called Scythopolis (Beth Shan today).Scythians are now known to have been an Indo-European grouping and many bodies discovered display European features - look also at the mummies discovered in the Tarim basin in China - some have red hair and "nordic" features and this ethnicity was broadly related to the Scythians. So Jesus having blue eyes and light hair is not as ridiculous as first it seems.
Greek or Southern Italy, they are dark skin
@@anairenemartinez165Greek and Southern Italy used to have lighter features and many had blue eyes. Southern Italy then had the Moorish invasion and many Greeks became mixed with Turks.
Discuss Khazarian Jews. Converts about 800 years ago out of Persia with no blood lines back to Israel.
When he was talking about the different conceptions of Jesus, I was really hoping for a "Dear tiny Lord baby Jesus" reference. I guess the aademic stuff was fine, too. : ]
Thanks!
Excellent lectures
Thank you for this talk. I really enjoyed it! Two thoughts come to the front for me:
1) If Jesus was so studied about Jewish Law and the Torah, he either got it all orally OR was able to read. If he was able to read, then why did he not write? Because his followers were unable to read?
2) Your third discussion question was brilliant for stimulating thought: What can or should Christians do to overcome historical legacies of mistreating our Jewish cousins? Personally, I've always had a soft spot in my heart and mind for the Jewish faith. I listen to a lot of Rabbi's talks here on TH-cam because it's interesting to hear them apply the Torah to today's life situations. The deepest pain I've felt in my bones that isn't directly related to my own life experiences is the history of Jewish persecution well before Christianity, but also (and felt more deeply on my part) the pure hate spewed towards Jewish people by people who profess to be of the Christian faith. Where is the love, which is supposed to be the core of Christianity?
So, here are my thoughts in answer to the question: We can think of the Jewish faith and its people as our beloved grandparents, not distant cousins who are easily discounted. Christians are their offspring. Our 'grandparents' created the culture we were born into. We don't have to live as our grandparents did. We don't have to make their same choices. But it DOES behoove us to honor the lineage from which we were conceived. Of course, if someone comes from a real-time toxic family background, this might be a harder point of view to embrace. Experience has shown me, however, that when we embrace the toxicity by acknowledging and accepting its existence-rather than fighting against it- it's the first step to freeing ourselves from it. Once you're free of it, you discover you can have compassion for the pain and fear that generated the behavior in the first place.
At any rate, it all boils down to having the courage to find the love within you, even if it doesn't come in a straight line or tidy package, no? Me? I think of our Jewish forefathers and their children as family.
You didn't ask me and I don't have anything to cite for this info at the moment, but in regards to your first question I have seen suggested that it was fairly common in that time period for some people to know how to read, but not how to write. If one was a scholar of the Torah and the rest of the Tanakh, they would have to be able to read it, and there is an example in Luke I believe where Yeshua (Jesus) is handed the scroll of Isaiah and finds a portion and reads it. This could have been learned in a synagogue through childhood. However, writing was a trade that one had to pay to learn, and would then seek employment in a royal, governmental, religious, or wealthy elite setting. It was a lucrative gig. It is easy for us to think of writing and reading as hand in hand because of our modern standardized education, but apparently even reading back then without reading the words out loud was a marvel to many. Anyways, I am sure if you searched something like "1st century Jewish reading and writing education" you could probably get some hits. Shabbat Shalom.
@@joshuacoffman9445 Thank you for sharing! I vaguely remember being taught that in the early days, and had forgotten until you brought it back to my attention. Shabbat shalom.
I agree to some extent to your point, but I still believe the fight is between ideas. God may exist as a source, but we are all God potential. We are good at not knowing it. So we kill each other’s and God…All kind of human bings prosecuted and killed for their ideas and Jews stories is one of them…..ideas are sometimes great for survival and wealth, but they can go really in the wrong way.
@@jaredhiwot1739 Yes, ideas really can go sideways. That’s why it’s important to allow ourselves to stretch and evolve.
Here's an important point- never try to convert us. Stop any missionary work among the Jewish people. If you really, truly respect us, you'll realize that our faith and traditions are dearer to us than you could ever possibly imagine.
Great research thanks
I though appreciate all the work that u explain Al the espositals that I need to know
I have some problems playing this lecture, it freezes. Make sure that the uploaded video is without corruption.
I too have had problems with the recent videos. I have to skip forward until it can play again, having to pice together what was skipped.
Repent and get rid of your corruption lol. But seriously, mine plays OK without skips at least where I’m at (45 min in). 💕🐝💕🇺🇸
Who’s the best god to pray to if one is trying to lose weight in a hurry?
When Mary registered the birth of her baby, what did the registrar write down for year?
Is there a lecture on The Shroud from Centre Place?
What is the lecturers name? Thanks!
John Hamer:
John C. Hamer is an American-Canadian historian and mapmaker.
His research has focused primarily on the history of the Latter Day Saint movement,
authoring several books on the topic.
Wikipedia
Born:
1970 (age 53 years),
Chicago Metropolitan Area
Education:
University of Michigan, Brigham Young University
Church:
Toronto Congregation at Centre Place;
(founded in 1891)
Denomination:
Community of Christ;
(committed gay-lesbian-trans couples affirming)
@veryoldjohnson thank you for your response.
In the past year I have listened to every lecture I could find by John. After 30 years of theology and ontology reading and lectures, John is a true pleasure and a wealth of insight and humanity.
Be well!
@@Aboriginalmetazoan:
Glad to be of service.
I too enjoy Mr. Hamer (John) as a lecturer,
especially when he goes off script!!!
He does seem to be a very good researcher and topic presenter.
The g/children and I recently spoke to his assistant,
and fellow lecturer Leandro,
while we were in Toronto, Canada.
"Discussion Questions" [3] I think the Christians should undertake the daunting challenge of helping their Jewish cousins to learn to be truthful'
1:03:46 That’s the only time where I actually agree with the Pharisees over Jesus. Washing your hands, and washing food you buy in the market, washing cups, plates etc. are absolutely 100% a good idea. It may have been a pharisaic innovation, but it’s good hygiene!
‘About this time there lived Jesus a wise man, if indeed one ought to call him a man”. What does Josephus mean or what is he trying to convey by this statement? Could you please enlighten me on this statement of his(Josephus’)?
LDS ? What ? oh no ! Kidding lol . I actually am surprised by this revelation .I suppose my ignorance is showing . I have been enjoying these lectures so very much and look forward to more . A true Scholar and a Gentleman seems this man John Hamer .. I now make a vow to stop making fun of my Mormon friends and their wives . Kind regards B
I never understood anti semitism among Christians. Jesus and his family and friends were jewish!
Jesus Himself was against the hypocrite pharisees and others undesirable characters. Not all Jews are noble and good, like every other race.
Is Odin still worth a sacrifice or would it be a complete waste of a perfectly good horse?
start 3:50
Why was there no textual description of him. They must have known.
Maybe... just maybe... the conmen who wrote your holy books didnt describe the fictional messiah because they never saw him.
I think Jesus was probably between five and six foot tall and would have enjoyed having a good laugh with his mates.
Hit the like! lets hit 1K!
I'm beyond baffled how a new testament historian that so clearly paints Jesus as a non supernatural apocalyptic cult leader is also a pastor. It's just weird. 😂
If Jesus was Jewish why does he have a Mexican name?
Lol 😂
His name in hebrew is Yeshua means salvation.
@@YesYes-fe7zkThanks for clearing that up. It’s been bothering me for years.
@@YesYes-fe7zk Yah Saves.
@@3lightsteps Amen
I recently googled Why Jews don't accept Jesus as the Messiah. There is a list, like 5 or 6 conditions, from the Torah, that He did not comply with.
What’s the best religion to enlist in if you’re a bit shallow and a hypocrite?
I can't go through it due to lack of time but did you mention His Father?
I’m from the lost 13th tribe, it was so lost it was not even included in the 12 tribes🤪. I have to say Jesus Christ spoke English, but if we want to be really honest, if we look to who most likely created Christianity in the protoorthodox lineage, saying Jesus Christ spoke Greek is the same as saying that Paul could write in Greek, and given Paul never met Jesus but the christology originates with him . . . . .
Okay?
Lmao what does this even mean?
From 3 tribe Is Ra El 3 god heads to 13 tribes lol
(No 2 different religions try to mix then the great schism) Phrygia not turkey lol Galatia not galilee lol
Its funny coz people think Christian'ity' came out of Judaism that Christ was Jew or Jewish loled and people believe !! they may think that coz it was there for a time . only time Christ went to a Jewish temple was turned from a other temple into Judaism i believe ! .
look up
Phrygian Quarry
Dacia and Caspi , Phrygia ! .
@@allmightlionthunder5515 What the dacile are you phrygan talking about?
What’s a ‘soul’ and why is it so attractive to omnipotent beings?
The video froze at 1 hour.
the 1st century reconstruction looks exactly like my flatmate who is from south lebanon and his grandfather is from galilea. :D when i saw him i thought quite short and dark and big nose for a lebanese....tuns out he looks close to people 2000 years ago there
At the timestamp 20:57ish, it is said that Jesus spoke of Himself as being something other than a Jew but I don't believe John 4:22 is considered.
How can you forget a simple fact like.
Whatever else you might think about the term 'Judaeo-Christian', it at least points to the fact that the biblical canon, 'special revelation' if you wish, contains the Tanakh, the Hebrew Scriptures. Mainstream Christian theology does not, for example, afford afford the same status to the Qur'an. But that said, the relation of the two testaments is highly contested, and routinely ignored by the vast majority of 'biblical' theologians.
During his "lost" years, could Jesus have been a Roman slave? The Parable of the Talents seems to be based on a senator returning home after going off to war. Jesus returns at a time when laws have been changed to reduce the number of slaves in Rome, and he goes first to banks of the Jordan to be purified by his cousin John, where he is ordained by God.
Would you say all of history is speculation? All as in ancient history the 1000 years ago. And wouldn't that mean anything is up for interpretation?
The Turin shoud looks nothing like the shown portrait
At that time it was another Judaic sect, namely Zealots who started the war with Romans and they lost. The last resistance point was at Masada where committed mass suicide.
Zealots were not considered a sect, not even by Josephus. It actually cut across all three major sects and had many of its final leaders come from the Saducees, although the prominent ones were originally radicalized Pharisees.
@@andrewsuryali8540 They were the equivalent of today ISIS or Al Quaeda. An organization that has violent means to obtain their goals. I still think they were a sect.
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Which religion were Muhammads parents ?
His orthodox Jewish sect was called Netzarim and led by James out of Jerusalem. They disappeared from history in 333ce as the book Nazarene Jewish Christianity on Amazon confirms making him a false Messiah like the others Rabban Gamaliel mentioned in Acts chapter 5 33-39.
If people can’t see that Jesus is different, and I mean far different than any other man who’s ever walked this earth, then they are willfully ignorant.
Did Jesus wear glasses?
The carbon dating of the Shroud in 1988 has been debunked. Newest hypothesis for what created the image is 'proton radiation'. Highly recommend you read Ian Wilson's book to get a more nuanced understanding of the possible history of the Shroud. At present, there is no plausible explanation for what created the surface image, the x-ray image, the rare AB blood type, the Masada weave pattern, pollen that matches the 'travel route' proposed by Wilson, etc., etc. The odds of a medieval forger creating the image are microscopic.
Get on with the times. There have been new studies
Jesus was a prophet. He clearly says in bible that "was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel" (jews). He also said that he has not come to change the old law but fulfill it (because jews went astray from the truth of Moses). He never claimed to be a Son of God. He ate, prayed and advised others to pray alone in the rooms away from the eyes of people. Because hypocrites always want to be seen. Unfortunately what we see now in christianity completely contradicts teachings of Jesus and even bible itself that they have in their hands. Preachers keep reading only what people want to hear..a selections from Bible.
Most believe in god, only cause god made earth for human consumering, can make money cutting trees,fishing,...
Ok? And when they rejected Him He died for the sins of the world. YES HE DID claim to be The Son of God, that’s why the Jews killed HIM. He never rebuked anyone for worshipping Him, why? Because He’s God in the flesh.
islam is a False religion made by one man and satan, the original quran was burned and there were many different versions at first.
it says the sun sets in a muddy spring, lol that the flat earth sits on a whales back n held up by mountains and stars r missiles. Nonsense.
@@christianity9943 Imagine what Jesus would feel coming down on earth one day and seeing how christians glorify and kiss and dearly carry the cross they claim he was nailed on. It's like jews having a portrait of Hitler at home or his badge on the clothes because thanks to him jews went back to Palestine and finally establish the Israel. Otherwise no rich jew wanted to get back to deserts of Palestine and throw away that luxury life of Europe. It wasn't Jesus but JUDAH whom God made resemble Jesus so people nailed him instead. God saved Jesus. That is why you hear Judas cry out Eli Eli lama sabachtani (my god my god why have you forsaken me ) on the cross. Jesus would never say something like that. Think guys. Read Bible, for God's sake.
Seems to me He called * the Jews * all "children of God "- yet "Son of God" was meaning for anointed/adopted son = king .....as another King David for the Jews
Is , Ra and El are Jews loled i thought they were Egyptians
To day it is an anachronism to claim that jews would put someone out of the synagogue isn't necessarily accurate given that one of the apostles was responsible for a genocide of Christians until he converted. So that makes the evidence point to a contemporary problem. Maybe it wasn't "all" jews, but to call it anachronistic is based on assumptions and an alternative version that doesn't match the evidence.
What you're saying is generally correct. However, John (both Hamer and the Gospel of) is referring to a specific religious reform enacted by Rabban Gamaliel III sometime between 80 and 100 CE. Gamaliel had a 19th blessing added to the Amidah, the prayer of 18 blessings that would be read at the head of the congregation to start synagogue service. It is called Birkat ha'minim (Blessing to the sectarians) and still exists today in the Amidah in its softened form. The "blessing" in its original form was actually a curse directed against the minim (sectarians/heretics), nostrim (Nazarenes/Christians), and any Jew who bore witness against their own people. Any member of the synagogue suspected of being one of these three would be asked to read the Amidah before the entire congregation. If he read the Birkat ha'minim, he was considered innocent or having repented and returned to the community. If not, he got kicked out and excommunicated from the community. This reform was enacted worldwide and the Birkat ha'minim remains in the Amidah to this day, minus the curse against the nostrim. The quote from the Gospel of John is a memory of this reform.
@@andrewsuryali8540 re Birkat ha'minim
What sources have you used,
thank you
@@termikesmike Er, what do you mean sources? Just get a copy of the Amidah. It's the twelfth on the list.
For the history of the Birkat ha'minim and its impact, I think there are several videos done by Dr. Henry Abramson here in TH-cam where he explains it in fairly good detail. Also, IIRC there is a video or two from the Jews for Judaism channel where they explain the history of the Gospel of John and puts it in context. Alternatively, just put it in the search bar. There are enough videos here in YT talking about it. Wikipedia also has a page on it.
@@andrewsuryali8540 thanks
Can somebody explain me something? After all that, that John Hamer had said, and everything is high percentual probably true, how he can believe in God?????
Am i missing something? I know that my IQ is somewhere in range of Forrest Gump, but...
Compared to religious crap, Harry Potter is absolute truthfully story.
Wishful thinking maybe?
@@friendo6257 consider this. Even though superman is fictional, I know of many people that use him as a measuring rod. Superman would never do this or that, etc.
The same could be said of Jesus. When people use him as a measuring rod for ethics, it's good to help people, etc. then that is a good thing, even if he never existed.
@@nosuchthing8 My comment was in response to Danijel G who asked basically, "why is John Hammer still a christian when all of his presentations cast doubt on god's existence, jesus' divinity, etc.?"
My answer was "Wishful thinking".
John Hammer is not appealing to Jesus in the same way that people appeal to Superman. He's a christian and part of a church that hosts these presentations and has sermons online. He is an active member of a christian group. And yet almost all of his presentations are thouroughly honest about the historical innacuracies and anachronisms in the bible and in the beliefs of fellow christians. So like Danijel G said "How can he believe in god?????"
@@friendo6257 That's a good point. I think he is ruthless in his exploration of the truth. That's an admirable quality.
We don't know what he believes.
@@nosuchthing8 I guess that's true. I really like his videos. He does a great job covering history. Maybe he doesn't believe but likes the comunity so he stays involved with the church.
The Messiah as per posed , mainly by Zachariah, was a male, red haired Jew from the House of David, with eyebrows founded like the Aries sign and bore patches of balanced white skin in spots . At some point he would have to be inflicted with a wrestler’s dislocation of the hip that was received by Jacob when he struggled with God in order to achieved his name as Israel.
Fool.
lol Jabco is not Is Ra El lol that 3 people to 1 lol
I am impressed by your academic knowledge. Now you scare me. Joseph Smith? OMG. Where is spirituality in that?
Arrius Calpurnius Piso
The English claim of being a lost tribe is based on Ancient Brittish mythologies that beleive that an Italian Gaul called Brutus Sailed to Troy to find his people destroyed by some Greeks and collected the survivors and then sailed to Galicia in Spain Then England and they were all descendants of Noah who survived the flood. Interestingly both the Galicians and the Irish have tales of other Relatives of his in a similar context. But no, none of them are Jewish or provably of a lost tribe in any way. Although there is evidence that some Spaniards ( not Galicians)and Moroccans may be distantly related the lost tribe of Gad originally but it doesnt show up in D.N.A. Not that it would, Most Europeans and North Africans show about 10- 20% Semitic D.N.A. across the board. Higher in Greece and Southern Italy who absorbed a lot of the Early Hebrew Sea Peoples.
Were there any Israelites BEFORE Jacob?
Were there any 'Jews' before 620 BCE?
If John the Baptist baptised jesus and jesus taught johns teachings, isnt christianity johns not jesus
Jesus born a jew died a jew rose from the dead a jew and never renounced being a jew we are all children of god
Herod's temple looks alot like the temples in ancient Egypt.
You're such a great teacher, as are many Mormons. I just can't square that with all the LDS beliefs and the distortion of Mormon history ie massacre of native Americans. I'm sorry to bring all that up because you're obviously so sincere and honest in your understanding of biblical history.
and most likely..he was married
They’re Mormonic, as a group, know that
Who’s the fastest, The Flash, Hermes or Superman?
The Testimonium Flavianum probably had "They believed he was the Christ", to preempt the statement that Christians were named after him.
Most scholars agree that the testimonium is an interpolation ( a later addition made by Christian’s)
Most scholars believe it contains interpolations but is partially authentic. There exists another version of the Testimonium Flavianum that is quite different from the common version,. It was found in an Arabic history, quoting Josephus:
"At this time there was a wise man who was called Jesus. His conduct was good, and [he] was known to be virtuous. And many people from among the Jews and the other nations became his disciples. Pilate condemned him to be crucified and to die. But those who had become his disciples did not abandon his discipleship. They reported that he had appeared to them three days after his crucifixion, and that he was alive; accordingly he was perhaps the Messiah concerning whom the prophets have recounted wonders."
Amen - how can a gentile understand, unless someone teach them the JESUS' S JEWISH ROOTS, I LEARNED MUCH OF THE JEWISH ROOTS OF JESUS FROM PEOPLE OF JEWISH BACKGROUND, SO I AM THANKFUL, AND IT MAKES MORE SENSE THAN A MAN CENTERED RELIGION THAT THINKS YOU HAVE TO EARN YOUR SALVATION BY CHURCH TRADITIONS OR GOOD WORKS. PRAISE BE TO JESUS OR YESHUA AS HE IS KNOWN IN HEBREW.
How far removed from REAL people do you have to be to believe they dont know that Christ was Jewish? Smh! City folk!
Never mind, Canadian. Got it. Fling clueless and sheltered
The temple is not there
Who doesn't know Jesus was Jewish? Oh, Muslims
Ps. 138:2: “For You have magnified Your word above all Your name.” God’s Word is His communication, His promise, the revelation of Himself to His people.
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Question. Why are the evangelical counting corpses using the bible as a springboard to perform somersaults to do the exact opposite of "love their neighbors" and "treat others like they want to be treated"?
Answer. This is sick. Because these simple concepts are too far out there to grasp for vampires (greed).
Jesus mother build crosses to romans
Jesus was a Judahite NOT a Jew. Too many people are incapable of understanding this. They also fail to see that the word Jew replaces words in the bible that have no relation to Jew or Judaism. The Jews followed the Traditions of the Elders later compiled into the Babylonian Talmud. They make up some 5% of the Old Testament. They are not Israelites, nor Hebrews.
That image you show of 'historical' Jesus is not in anyway supported by any evidence or proper science. It was made for a BBC documentary and was darkened for Jesus to look more what we think of as 'middle eastern' even almost black. We don't know what exact color where people from that time period and place. But two things we know Canaanites where depicted as whiter shade then Egyptians and this aria was heavily Hellenized for years before Jesus. I don't see any good reason someone can say Jesus would have a darker skin color then people from Lebanon or Palestine today, he wasn't a Bedouin nor a Persian. And Celcus said he was a son of a Roman soldier so it would be strange if he looked like that PC picture.
The levant was Hellenized, persianized, and eqyptianized for thousands of years. I don’t think any depiction can be known for certain.
It is odd when peace & love communities like Centre Place continue adhering to claims originating from such a violent religious text going back thousands of years, NT and OT. Explaining what's truly historical or not in no way justifies this behavior.
Jesus said love ur enemy, catholic church is evil
Q: "Do you know why the Pharisees, Saddusees and Essenes could not have been ascetics?"
A: "Because ascetics don't have sects"
A documentary about the 12 Apostles said that Judas Iscariot is remembered as "the Jew." They were _all_ Jews, all Semites, living within the Asian half of Eurasia. According to tradition, the Semites were descended from Shem, and included the whole of Asia, including those countries that gave us meditation. DNA, even more than amateur radio conmmunication and apolitical sporting events, has enabled us to see that there are really no boundaries between peoples. As one Christian realized, the word "stranger" is unknown in Heaven. I cannot believe that Trudeau thought that Jesus spoke English! It is sad tthat Jews are despised, but they have only themselves to blame. No other ethnic community invites opposition to the extent that they do.
Christ and Jesus doesn't mean Jewish nor Jew nor Cauc'asian he was Cauc'asus !! .
(No 2 different religions try to mix then the great schism) Phrygia not turkey lol Galatia not galilee lol
Its funny coz people think Christian'ity' came out of Judaism that Christ was Jew or Jewish loled and people believe it !! they may think that coz it was there for a time . only time Christ went to a Jewish temple was turned from a other temple into Judaism i believe ! .
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Phrygian Quarry
Dacia and Caspi , Phrygia ! .
They did not put themselves to live in European ghettos, they were despised.
Most, if not all, images of Jesus come from the shroud of Turin. His, supposed burial cloth.
Father is a holy spirit and mother was a levite ,still he is a jew.
Jesus was not a Jew and He said that.
Jesus was an Israelite.
I believe them
Galilea
The romans wrote he was from nazaret
"Join us for the Flood". Yep, thanks to climate change, the Flood is imminent.
No water rises slowly to year 2100
considering the Talmud says Jesus is in hell boiling in human excrement,
I see no problem with ugly negative caricature depictions of Jews,
but for some reason you do....hmmm.
I am sorry, but. I am afraid this is a completely wrong approach. Its obvious, that Jesus had a total different decent! What is türeally. Proofen: his bro James was running the temple as his deputy after ajesus got killed ba the Romans. Did you ever read about the possibility, that the family came from Edessa as a son from the kings jewish family there? He never was a capenters son, thats nonsens..