Quick Backstory of ABWH: Are they Yes?
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- This video delves into the intricate history of the iconic Yes band, focusing on the formation of ABWH (Anderson, Bruford, Wakeman and Howe), a group comprised of former Yes members. And let's discuss, are they considered as "Yes"?
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Jon left in 1980, not 1978. In the City of Angels, not 'Into'. ABWH were tremendous and we're Yes! (with all due respect to Chris). 4/5ths of the Fragile amd Close to the Edge lineups. Not all were original members though! (Except for Jon and Bill). Jeff Berlin was actually on stage in 1989. This show was in September of 1989 in San Jose, CA.
Yh all I've heard is that Levin was really sick and couldn't be at this amd some other shows,Hence why J Berlin is there performing..I LOVE THE ACOUSTIC INTRO!!Where they play Time & A Word,merging into Owner(rare acoustic version)and yes,I still very much dislike Teakbois lmao!!I just can't get into that,everything else,great!!😁✌️🥃
Also;I thought John and Rick talked and agreed about leaving in 79?after the Paris sessions didn't work out??I've never heard them leaving in 78 or 80,I've always known about them leaving after Paris sessions and tomato talked about them leaving in 79..of course Idk FACTS lol,just what I've read or heard yrs back..✌️
@@steve-0493 Anderson and Wakeman indeed left after the Paris sessions of 1979, which were recorded as demo and released on the remastered and expanded Drama cd.
@@steve-0493You are absolutely right, Jon and Rick quit Yes in 1979.
Jon and Rick, quit Yes in 1979.
Tony Levin, was on stage at the Wembley shows in London, October 1989.
@@ericodijk yup I've got drama expanded edition, it's weird to hear those last songs the classic lineup did make lol,u could tell it really wasn't going anywhere.they needed an infection...luckily drama gave them that,despitefans not liking it much etc...I THINK ITS GREAT!😁✌️🥃.
Jon Anderson put it best: Yes is whoever comes together to make the Yes music. Did ABWH write and perform "the Yes music?" Being as objective as I can, *yes* they did. I'm rather sorry they did not bring in a writing bassist and add his or her name to that of the band (Tony Levin is *so* good and *so* creative and with his distinctive way of playing both bass and Stick, it's hard to just think of him as a sideman) but just the same, the album and tour were absolutely worthy of the Yes mantle in my opinion.
I saw them at the show where the live video was recorded in 1989 (Shoreline Amphitheater in Mountain View, CA), and while I don't strictly consider them 'Yes', it was still one of the best evenings of Yes music I ever saw (and I've seen Yes at least 15 times). Great musicianship, wonderful live mix, a very spirited and friendly audience.
I love this story!❤
was there too. Legendary performance even with Berlin
Saw them in 1990 at the Thomas & Mack center on the UNLV campus In Las Vegas. Consummate professionals...
In an interview to promote the album, Wakeman said if they kept getting better, "we might see a Close To the Edge for the 90s."
Bruford was also very optimistic about the future of the band. Pity the record companies had to ruin it all.
This is a tough one.....is ABWH more Yes than Yes today 2024 (Howe and friends)?
Yes, ABWH was much more Yes than this Howe shit show.
@@5qob 😂
That`s a really good answer my friend!
ABHW waren viel mehr YES als die aktuelle, peinliche Band, die leider YES nennen darf.
Yes was/is a continually evolving organization. ABWH was, in many ways, an Anderson offshoot that pulled three of the most important musicians into his concept. These musicians have always had serious problems, not with each other, but with their management(s). A band like Rush, which presents a diamond-hard front to the business interests that might split them, is very rare. Yes is far more typical of the divide and conquer strategy that professional "managers" employ to further their parasitic relationship to performers.
Bruford was and is perhaps the most cynical of the bunch, but even he felt that ABWH had a real possibility of becoming something new and special, before the Union debacle. In terms of contributions, I would really have liked to hear what an organization of Anderson, Vangelis, Bruford and Levin would have sounded like. It seems to me that they were the most "interesting" voices on the ABWH LP.
How can a video about Yes miss the name of Chris Squire? How can „Yes face legal issues with Yes“? Chris holds (or did hold) the rights on the name Yes, and he may have had his reasons for that. But ABWH‘s music is not 100% Yes, and the outstanding bass performance of Chris Squire cannot be replaced, as could be heard very painfully in the small excerpt given. So: to me, ABWH is ABWH, and Yes is Yes.
I like both, but you can't deny the fact that musically wise, ABWH music was a lot more yessish than the Trevor Rabin's band. But nonetheless, i miss Cris so much on ABWH, and i am a huge fan of Tony Levin or Jeff berlin. And don't talk about the band circling the world nowadays under the Yes moniker, without Chris Squire or Jon Anderson. No perfection in this world of ours, isn't it ?
ABWH were indeed Yes. Trevor Rabin's project was Cinema.
To quote Jon Anderson when asked who was currently yes members...:
"Whoever shows up for rehearsals"
Chris squire is the only member who haven't been in and out the band one or several times... so they're alle former or currently yes members and therefore YES... period..!😅
I picked up ABW&H when first released- it was an adjunct to YES but somehow not there. as incredible as Tony Levin's playing was on it... it was still not Chris Squire... 1000 Hands by Jon Anderson has a clear Yes-feel, as Squire had previously recorded some parts in collaboration with Anderson...
More Yes than Yes....just like Anderson Rabin Wakeman was more Yes than Yes.
I saw Yes and AWR in one year (believe it was 2018). I left the Yes concert after 30 minutes. It did not have the magic and emotion.. AWR had it for me. The voice of Anderson which in my opinion can't be replaced. And the keyboards of Wakeman. The maestro. That was the magic and emotion for me.
It is a greal band, but not yes, they can be called a supergroup, but yes was also ending up being a super group. I would say you should get the abwh album to add to your yes collection though, it is really good.
This is not a hard to answer question, but it is a dumb question to start with! Ha
Some odd word choices in this video, as if the person who wrote the script is not a native English speaker. Also, as noted, Wakeman and Howe were not in the original Yes lineup.
Chris Squire was YES from 1968 to his passing ..
Saw them at the Greek in LA. No they are not Yes. True Yes requires Anderson and Squire. Seen them maybe 30 times over the decades.
P.S. Todays Yes is nothing even close to the real thing.
I attended the Birmingham NEC for this tour.. Fantastic..
is this a human narrator or an app?
Wakeman and Howe are NOT original members of Yes as this video depicts. Howe joined Yes on their 3rd album, 'The Yes Album', and Wakeman joined on their 4th, 'Fragile'. Anderson and Bruford are the only two of this group who were 'original' members. I hate when people put out these videos without doing their homework.
sorry for the silly mistake as it shouldn't have happened. I will put more work on the script work for future video, thank you for your comment.
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On the other hand, the oficial Yes band had only one original member. Sorry, Tony Kaye was Just a name
Yes ( of course..)
I put a lot of thought into this because Squier did not show, and I think he was right after all these years. Allan had been YES's Drummer for a decade, there was already a Yes band out there that just had two huge albums, there was no need for him to look back and relive the past.
The ABWH Album is not YES, or Yes, because it is missing that Bass and backing Vocals.
Enjoyed it at the time, saw the show, but after listening to it a few years again after a long time away I was not impressed, it is way to pastelli and meandering, there is no Rock n Roll under that Synth based NewWave Prog.
Show was Great, I got to see them play Close to the Edge and a lot of other classics.
Jeff Berlin and Tony Levin are my two favourities bassists but your styles don't fits with YES music because de Rickenbacker stereo-one channel treble and distorced and another low, with pick style of Crhis, defiiny the YES bass sound
Since Anderson, Howe, and to a lesser degree Wakeman were the main writers of classic Yes music, they were for most 70's Yes fans the real group, whereas Squire and White were the 80's version and probably should have gone by their original idea of calling this band Cinema.
In a nutshell:
There is no Yes w/o Chris Squire!
Period.
If there is no Chris Squire....... There is no YES.
I think Asia may have been a better model of what Yes should have been in the 80s. Commercial--but not overtly so
This would have been the perfect album if Wakeman hadn't filled some songs with too many keyboards. Still a wonderful album.
It wasn't Wakeman.
No
ABWH is more Yes than Yes.
ABWH were not really Yes until they went on tour playing Yes music. Sure, they were all in Yes at one point or another, but the ABWH album is quite awful. However, they are more Yes than today’s incarnation of Yes, who has Steve Howe, Geoff Downes and at a push, Billy Sherwood. Seeing ANY Yes song, let alone Close to the Edge, being played on electronic drums makes my teeth itch.
No, they were not.
So Jon left Yes because he felt that that band had become too commercialised at the time - and next thing he did was release an even more "commercial" album!
Oh well...
MORE YES.....that steve howe's
tribute band 'yes'....and a better album
that 'their' last three....
I agree. I've been listening to ABWH since it came out 35 years ago, and while I still don't understand Teakbois, it's more Yes than anything on the last 3 albums.
@johnhoran9840
Teakbois is one of those quirky un-Yes tracks like
Arriving U.F.O. / Circus Of Heaven / Man In A White Car.... ....I love it....
So Anderson felt Yes had become too commercial. What does he do then? Well, he recorded the most horribly commercial album possible, City of Angels. Anderson has always been a hypocrite. ABWH is as commercially oriented as 90125 or Big Generator, only with a few solos by Wakeman and Howe and a cover by Roger Dean to sell it as "progressive" but the whole album is 80's cheese. It's not even a true band album. The backing tracks were recorded by session musicians with BW&H only recording precious few overdubs to dress it as a Yes album.
Anything else not good ?
@@stanjohnson7849 oh, so you'd like some more? ABWH was an attempt at getting even with Squire orchestrated by Brian Lane, who was fired by Yes for not doing his job, and Anderson, who had to leave in '80 because the band were sick of his shenanigans. JA only contacted Howe directly (because he needed his songs) but Wakeman was contacted by Lane (why don't you call Jon?) and Bruford didn't know W and H were involved until he got off the plane in Monserrat (he thought he'd be playing in a JA solo project, which is funny because that's what it actually was). The backing tracks were ready, which means the "band" had no input in arranging the songs (but all got contractually credited as cowriters in every track!). Arista, hoping for 90125 scale sales, put a lot of money into the recording, which spanned studios in three different countries, but sales were disappointing, only a fraction of BG, which had already been considered a disappointment. The album didn't include the name Yes, nor were the hordes that bought 90125 much impressed by Dean's cover or the names of three people who'd not been involved in the two most successful sellers (Yes never sold that great during the 70's, JA's biggest frustration was that they weren't Pink Floyd and thought he could get some of their sales by sacking Dean and hiring Hipgnosis for their covers). The tour sold well but the "band" were forced into the studio immediately afterwards by the new label and the 1980 funk Howe had conveniently forgotten about set in again. Howe was angry at JA because he'd promised him they'd get the name Yes for the album. Wakeman, who went on to blame it all on the producer, didn't want to attend the sessions because these conflicted with watching the world cup! As usual, Rick's commitment to the band was zero. And Bruford's only concern was that the new album came on budget. They had no new material. Howe's useable songs had been exhausted with the first and the vilified producer was forced to build songs around riffs from Howe's demos for his solo album, in case you're wondering why the same riffs appear in Turbulence or why Jonathan Elias gets more writing credits than the "band" members. JA was forced to approach Rabin with the tail between his legs asking for a hit single and Squire made the colossal mistake of allowing a JA album to be released under the name Yes, abandoning Atlantic in the process. Without the support of Atlantic, Yes dropped off the charts for good. ABWH essentially killed Yes but to this day, whenever some youtuber interviews JA (he's never interviewed by mainstream media anymore) he'll blame it all on Owner of a Lonely Heart. Sod JA, he killed Yes all by himself
Ok BUT. What do you think the best song they did 🤷🏽♂️ And album for that matter…. And just as important WHy 🤷🏽♂️
Ok BUT. What do you think the best song they did 🤷🏽♂️ And album for that matter…. And just as important WHy 🤷🏽♂️
@@stanjohnson7849 I like "I wanna Learn" a lot. It sounds like a true Yes song and it isn't terribly overproduced. Generally, the best tracks in the album are originally Howe's compositions and that's why JA contacted him first, he needed his songs. But the songs were not arranged by the band and even Howe didn't get to play in them till they were almost finished. The entire album reeks of desperately trying to make it sound like a 70's Yes album but if JA had honestly wanted that and not a quickly produced forgery (it was ready in less than a year from the moment he contacted SH), he would have got the four guys together with a session bassist only to work on the tracks as a true band and he would have called Eddy Offord to produce it. Anderson is an egomaniac who thinks he IS Yes and anything he does qualifies as Yes music. Songs such as Birthright or Brother of Mine had the potential to be true Yes songs but they're made in a production line. Note how BOM is 10 minutes long and it didn't need to be that long. Pts 1 and 2 are exactly the same melody, lyrics with zero changes other than a Wakeman interlude, which happens to be the first time he's bothered to play anything in the track. 3 minutes plus into the song and all keys have been courtesy of an anonymous session man. Bruford complained that Arista killed the album's chances by editing the singles but the truth is that the strongest tracks were too long to be released as singles. I Wanna Learn should have been recorded as a separate song and not forced into an epic track. Parts 2 and 3 of Quartet are uninspired copies of Howe's idea. He doesn't even play in the remainder of the track. Anderson contributes cheesy ethnic (tropical) compositions that have nothing to do with the Yes sound (themes, teakbois) and Wakeman cheesy romantic AOR (the meeting). When AWH were back in Yes a decade later, they were capable or writing and recording together a true Yes album (KTA), which proves the guiding force in Yes was always Chris. Anderson was just the frontman