Appreciate that! I’ll do my best to give lots more :) I’ve enjoyed watching reviews for years but got tired of hearing cheesy stock music so decided to start making my own 😂🙏
I was watching the Orion Masterclass with Jaycen Joshua the other day and he actually uses Knock, too. His approach was like Knock for mixing and Orion for like a console type saturation.
I've learned that using this sparingly gives the best results. The cool part is you can combine Orion with Knock in the chain. The transient shaper and clipper are magic.
Thanks for this comparison. After you configured Knock and pull up Orion to check on the later part of the song at 11:44 and after Orion isn’t actively working.
Thanks for watching lloyd! Orion is on after 11:44, I had it hidden off screen unfortunately and used a screen shot for visual reference. I'll do better in the future to make sure I keep all the plugins open on screen while im recording 🙏
@@pluginhoarder ah…gotcha! That makes sense! Thanks for clarifying and again thanks for the comparison! I just got Orion because it is on sale bundled with the God Particle and wondered how it stacked up to Knock. Appreciate the time you put into this video. Keep it up!
Great review and great music! I have Knock so cool to see them compared. I agree Orion seemed to give a better sound just a bit quicker and with less fuss. Both are great plugins though
Agreed! It’s hard to know if the inspiration from trying something new like Orion was what led me to feel that way or if it truly is quicker to a satisfying sound, time will tell. Thanks! 🙏
Orion is amazing! I love it. I think one thing thats very important for people to know before investing into jaycen joshuas 2 plugin is to understand his philosphy on how to use these plugins. People just kinda run in guns blazing and dont do any research about the tools they're investing in and think they're bad... when they arent just using it right. BUT thats just my take on it, great review!! Orion 1 - Knock - 0
Good take! I’m guilty of this myself as I like to try plugins out and read the manual/info after. Glad I didn’t completely fuck up the intention of the plugin though! 🙏
I agree with you 100% it’s kind of sad that he did a review on a plug-in that he’s been working on and understood, and then did a battle review on another plug-in and didn’t even look at the instructions. The end sounded like “orion” won by a hair, based on your final take. 🫠
Nice! I really love God Particle for subtle polish and dimension on busses or on the master. So I'm stoked to see what kind of extra beef this can add. Thanks man. Great Vid
It really depends on what you're going for, and I think you gotta two different things going on since of course it's hard to try to make each plugin do the same thing. The Orion is definitely making the higher information like snares another other non bass drums much brighter. Though the I think the bass seems bigger or fuller on Knock, and the other drums seems to be a little more aligned with the context of the track and allowing the non drum bussed instruments drive the track more than the top end drums. Great comparison, thanks for making it
Orion sounds good, but its CPU heavy.. Id like to use This AND God Particle, but the two together is already straining a CPU! let alone your regular vst instruments. ALSO, wish they had a MIX knob for COLOR.. A, B, and C do impose a certain flavor, but almost too much??? Wish I can adjust to taste!.. Thanks for the video!..
I had the plugin on my channel view so it wasn't on screen, I added that screen shot as a visual aid. It's engaged just didn't have the video of it. Sorry about that!
Good catch! The knobs were not turned down, I made a mistake and recorded this section with the plugins out of frame so I added screenshots for reference, this was my first TH-cam video so I was still getting used to how to record everything hahah won’t happen again 🙏
Knock for Breaks,and chopped samples. Orion for the Drum bus IMHO. Both of them are dope. Orion has that console sound like the NLS drum bus hack is built in it. Ant go,wrong with either. It is ok to like apples and Oranges.
END RESULT: Orion made the bass/kick sound beefy and thumpy in a good way and gave the highs a little "gritty" saturation. KNOCK on the other hand made kick and snare sound more forward and clicky (sits better in the mix) but didn`t do the same "magic" with the bass like Orion. Because of this i go with Orion on this one too. But it`s a damn shame for me to have two great plugins and the agony of choice. 😃
Orion is way too heavy handed, almost disrespectful to the source material. Especially the saturation section, it changes the sound way too much for my taste. KNOCK sounds so much better, it's not even a competition.
@@wdkbeats yeah if your drums are already mixed good Orion is heavy. My drums are usually already saturated and properly eqd and compressed before I hit the drum bus
No, they are the same settings, I had the plugins closed at the end and was just turning channels on and off. I used a screenshot of each plugin at the end to show which one was playing. Good catch!
@@pluginhoarder what’s crazy is literally a few days ago I thought to my self, “I wonder what that guy is doing now” found my answer 😂 universe is wild
When you are comparing both plugins, orion is in the default preset, is not a 1:1 comparison. And tell me wrong but, in the last comparison why neither knock and orion shows any input????
I should have made this more clear: Orion is not in its default setting, it’s in the setting I set up in the beginning of the video. Later on when I’m comparing the two plugins I forgot to leave them open on screen (I was just soloing the channels) so I put screenshots up as visual representations. I should have said that… Will do better in future comparisons, thanks for watching 🙏
@@pluginhoarder Orion it was designed to give you a polished, large, and dynamic mix, especially with a focus on emulating high-end analog gear while knock focus is on helping producers get their drums to hit hard, punch through the mix, and sound loud and clean without distortion or unwanted artifacts.
@@pluginhoarder I get it, though. When people mention 'drums' in videos like this, the focus is often too limited to specific comparisons, which doesn’t fully represent what these plugins can actually do. For example, if you use reference tracks to gauge how your mix should sound, you’ll notice that using the 'C' option in the color section opens up the 1-3kHz range. This is great for both vocal buses and drums, and professional tracks tend to keep this range more open. Features like the 'lift' help make that group more solid, which is often referred to as making it 'stand up in the mix.' The parallel section adds depth, working similarly to wet/dry control. I could go on, but I don’t think it’s necessary. I love seeing fun videos like this in the community, but a lot of times, the deeper methods behind using these plugins don’t get the justice they deserve.
@@Dane_Riazer I hear you, my intention for this video was just a fun quick comparison of two things that are incomparable hahah, I do deeper dives in other videos though! Thanks for your input, you know your stuff 🤝
Also, I read the description of the plugin on cradles site and it mentioned this was specifically for drums, the quote is “Take your drums beyond the super analog Add power, punch and weight to your drums in seconds Saturation, compression, and harmonic tools to sculpt your drums Complex parallel routing simplified into one plug-in” this is a similar sales pitch to Knock which was where the idea came from.
I actually didn’t remove the changes I just forgot to keep the plugins on screen while recording unfortunately and used screen shots as a visual reference, will try to record everything better in the future 🙏
Orion just like the god particle is very CPU-heavy. For both not doing rocket sience that's a sign for nit the best coding. Sound is good. prices like in most of these cases all too overpriced, orion as well as knock. But doing the same stuff with stock plugins costs more time. ;)
Glad the algo served me up your stuff. An intelligent review with good music is pretty damn rare.
Appreciate that! I’ll do my best to give lots more :) I’ve enjoyed watching reviews for years but got tired of hearing cheesy stock music so decided to start making my own 😂🙏
I was watching the Orion Masterclass with Jaycen Joshua the other day and he actually uses Knock, too. His approach was like Knock for mixing and Orion for like a console type saturation.
I've learned that using this sparingly gives the best results. The cool part is you can combine Orion with Knock in the chain. The transient shaper and clipper are magic.
Oh shitttt! Great idea! Starting with Orion with light compression then heading into Knock to end with the clipper sounds fire. Shoulda tried that 🙏
Thanks for this comparison. After you configured Knock and pull up Orion to check on the later part of the song at 11:44 and after Orion isn’t actively working.
Thanks for watching lloyd! Orion is on after 11:44, I had it hidden off screen unfortunately and used a screen shot for visual reference. I'll do better in the future to make sure I keep all the plugins open on screen while im recording 🙏
@@pluginhoarder ah…gotcha! That makes sense! Thanks for clarifying and again thanks for the comparison! I just got Orion because it is on sale bundled with the God Particle and wondered how it stacked up to Knock. Appreciate the time you put into this video. Keep it up!
@pluginhoarder Also, maybe add text to this video stating you’re using a pic since it was off screen to avoid comments like mine in the future?
@@TechNSoundz I'm new to youtube so I havent figured out how to do that yet, ill look into it! Thanks
@@pluginhoarder Right on! For being new your videos are great!! Your channel is going to blow up!
From 11:45 Orion is still bypassed somewhere cuz there aint any signal display happening in the plugin.
I was soloing the channel so I go quickly back and forth, it was not bypassed but not on screen so I used a screenshot as a visual representation. 🙏
@@pluginhoarder oh thats why we couldnt see any signal animation inside the plugin there ! Thnx for clarifying it
No problem! I’ll try and figure out a better way to record the plugins for future comparisons, thanks for watching!
Great review and great music! I have Knock so cool to see them compared. I agree Orion seemed to give a better sound just a bit quicker and with less fuss. Both are great plugins though
Agreed! It’s hard to know if the inspiration from trying something new like Orion was what led me to feel that way or if it truly is quicker to a satisfying sound, time will tell. Thanks! 🙏
Orion is amazing! I love it. I think one thing thats very important for people to know before investing into jaycen joshuas 2 plugin is to understand his philosphy on how to use these plugins. People just kinda run in guns blazing and dont do any research about the tools they're investing in and think they're bad... when they arent just using it right.
BUT thats just my take on it, great review!! Orion 1 - Knock - 0
Good take! I’m guilty of this myself as I like to try plugins out and read the manual/info after. Glad I didn’t completely fuck up the intention of the plugin though! 🙏
He definitely has a "mix into" his plugins approach. I love both this and God Particle
I agree with you 100% it’s kind of sad that he did a review on a plug-in that he’s been working on and understood, and then did a battle review on another plug-in and didn’t even look at the instructions. The end sounded like “orion” won by a hair, based on your final take. 🫠
Right! Jaycen still uses knock on his kick while mixing into Orion.
Nice! I really love God Particle for subtle polish and dimension on busses or on the master. So I'm stoked to see what kind of extra beef this can add. Thanks man. Great Vid
Nice and thanks!!
Extra cpu forsure😅 i have god particle but recently realized if my mixes are wack gp cant do its best magic
It really depends on what you're going for, and I think you gotta two different things going on since of course it's hard to try to make each plugin do the same thing. The Orion is definitely making the higher information like snares another other non bass drums much brighter. Though the I think the bass seems bigger or fuller on Knock, and the other drums seems to be a little more aligned with the context of the track and allowing the non drum bussed instruments drive the track more than the top end drums. Great comparison, thanks for making it
Orion sounds amazing!
Sounds big right?!
BOOOYY I love the style of the video super exiting stuff
🙏🙏🙏
Orion sounds good, but its CPU heavy.. Id like to use This AND God Particle, but the two together is already straining a CPU! let alone your regular vst instruments. ALSO, wish they had a MIX knob for COLOR.. A, B, and C do impose a certain flavor, but almost too much??? Wish I can adjust to taste!.. Thanks for the video!..
Would love to see an Orion vs Refire by Outobugi Comparison video- Refire is a Knock Clone
Somebody do this!!!
i'm going Knock with the punchy drums
and orion for the weigh
😂🔥
Good take! 🤟🏽
There's something about the subby low end in Orion that really slaps.
orion is magic .. tried the demo first and bought it
It’s pretty fire!!
From 10:46, Orion meters are not moving. Are you sure it was engaged?
I had the plugin on my channel view so it wasn't on screen, I added that screen shot as a visual aid. It's engaged just didn't have the video of it. Sorry about that!
@@pluginhoarder 😉
Final comparison 11:44 with all knobs turned down on both plugins? You messing with us, bro. 12:24 knock all turned down aswell.
Good catch! The knobs were not turned down, I made a mistake and recorded this section with the plugins out of frame so I added screenshots for reference, this was my first TH-cam video so I was still getting used to how to record everything hahah won’t happen again 🙏
I just wish Orion had a mix knob cause it almost makes the drums too blistering or too hot if u already have them mixed good
Agreed! I think it’s prob best to mix into something like this
Turn down the amount of each of the modules
To have less of the drive just either turn it off or turn down the input
Use Reaper. Haha
@@doemaardennis 😂😂😂
You can use waves studio rack to blend in or Blue cats patchbay , salute¡.
Knock for Breaks,and chopped samples. Orion for the Drum bus IMHO. Both of them are dope. Orion has that console sound like the NLS drum bus hack is built in it. Ant go,wrong with either. It is ok to like apples and Oranges.
Orion has more low end thump to it. More of a “thicker” sound.
Agreed! Thanks 🙏
Orion for the Win!
The first time I heard Orion myself I was like “Oh, OKaaay🤔… another ONE☝”.
I told my self no more plugins until 2025… so much for that 😂
@@pluginhoarder 🤣
It’s because the gain match is just for the clipper section of Knock
That’s great to know! Thank you!
Ur welcome, happy to help!
END RESULT: Orion made the bass/kick sound beefy and thumpy in a good way and gave the highs a little "gritty" saturation. KNOCK on the other hand made kick and snare sound more forward and clicky (sits better in the mix) but didn`t do the same "magic" with the bass like Orion. Because of this i go with Orion on this one too. But it`s a damn shame for me to have two great plugins and the agony of choice. 😃
Great summary!
great bro
I have Knock and wish they’d sell each module separately. I rarely use all at once. 😮
You can just turn all the modules you aren't using off 🤷
orion is nuking any cpu that isnt a m1, m2 or m3...therefore i'm staying on knock. orion sounds good though
I hear you on that! 🙏
Nuking is hilarious 😂
Orion is way too heavy handed, almost disrespectful to the source material. Especially the saturation section, it changes the sound way too much for my taste. KNOCK sounds so much better, it's not even a competition.
I hear you, I don’t think it’s so black and white though, I think both are great tools and will be using them for different purposes
@@wdkbeats yeah if your drums are already mixed good Orion is heavy. My drums are usually already saturated and properly eqd and compressed before I hit the drum bus
Knock sounds thinner, but I love both
are your settings on orion in the end comparison different (flat/color a) compared to the beginning (sliders up/color c)?
No, they are the same settings, I had the plugins closed at the end and was just turning channels on and off. I used a screenshot of each plugin at the end to show which one was playing. Good catch!
you aren't the same guy that used to do videos for reason by chance are you?
I happen to be that guy! Just a bit older 😂
@@pluginhoarder what’s crazy is literally a few days ago I thought to my self, “I wonder what that guy is doing now” found my answer 😂 universe is wild
@hitplaybeats7221 damn that’s crazy!! It be like that! 🙏
I asked this question a few days ago
What’s your verdict?
what gain match plug in is that
Orion is crazy
It’s a keeper!
Orion is next level.
its fireeee
knock ☝🏼
When you are comparing both plugins, orion is in the default preset, is not a 1:1 comparison.
And tell me wrong but, in the last comparison why neither knock and orion shows any input????
I should have made this more clear: Orion is not in its default setting, it’s in the setting I set up in the beginning of the video. Later on when I’m comparing the two plugins I forgot to leave them open on screen (I was just soloing the channels) so I put screenshots up as visual representations. I should have said that… Will do better in future comparisons, thanks for watching 🙏
@@pluginhoarder Oh, I get it. Maybe next time you could add a note to let us know, it would be less confusing, good video btw🤘
Will do for sure! 🙏🙏🙏
I can’t believe you did this video 😂 . Not hating, just surprised. 🙃
Why surprised haha?
@@pluginhoarder Orion it was designed to give you a polished, large, and dynamic mix, especially with a focus on emulating high-end analog gear while knock focus is on helping producers get their drums to hit hard, punch through the mix, and sound loud and clean without distortion or unwanted artifacts.
@@pluginhoarder I get it, though. When people mention 'drums' in videos like this, the focus is often too limited to specific comparisons, which doesn’t fully represent what these plugins can actually do. For example, if you use reference tracks to gauge how your mix should sound, you’ll notice that using the 'C' option in the color section opens up the 1-3kHz range. This is great for both vocal buses and drums, and professional tracks tend to keep this range more open. Features like the 'lift' help make that group more solid, which is often referred to as making it 'stand up in the mix.' The parallel section adds depth, working similarly to wet/dry control. I could go on, but I don’t think it’s necessary. I love seeing fun videos like this in the community, but a lot of times, the deeper methods behind using these plugins don’t get the justice they deserve.
@@Dane_Riazer I hear you, my intention for this video was just a fun quick comparison of two things that are incomparable hahah, I do deeper dives in other videos though! Thanks for your input, you know your stuff 🤝
Also, I read the description of the plugin on cradles site and it mentioned this was specifically for drums, the quote is “Take your drums beyond the super analog
Add power, punch and weight to your drums in seconds
Saturation, compression, and harmonic tools to sculpt your drums
Complex parallel routing simplified into one plug-in” this is a similar sales pitch to Knock which was where the idea came from.
The orion version is better for me. add knock after for some slight saturation and clipping you're golden
Yeah that’s a great combo right there 😍
Orion for sure
Orion uses far too much cpu for it to be constantly on your buss. Its using 50% of my 6 core
True, it is a CPU monster 👿
Thing is you removed all the changes you made with the Orion though from what I see so really you did not hear the comparison
I actually didn’t remove the changes I just forgot to keep the plugins on screen while recording unfortunately and used screen shots as a visual reference, will try to record everything better in the future 🙏
Orion for the W
🏆
Both are cool but Orion sounds more upfront and tight.....
Yeah, I think Orion is sounding pretty dope
Orion just like the god particle is very CPU-heavy. For both not doing rocket sience that's a sign for nit the best coding. Sound is good. prices like in most of these cases all too overpriced, orion as well as knock. But doing the same stuff with stock plugins costs more time. ;)
ORION, BUT I LIKE BOTH..
Is that you in the intro 😂
I don’t remember
Yea I don't know
To me Orion sits better in the mix
Orion much more punch. ✨🎶
Def a lot better with the low end!
Orion VS ReFire
Vs Slap
Orion ✨️🫶✨️
Orion by a mile...
Agreed
You all jokes aside i think "LOL" is better then Orion
how about nothing of it? better.
I was waiting for this take, I agree lol! I’m not a big drum bus guy. Only about 30% of the time
Orion es una estafa!
Why do you think so?
this terrible beat makes it very hard to tell the difference
😕