Tromba Jazzbone - Review and demonstration
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- This video is a review and demonstration of the Tromba Jazzbone. A plastic fantastic trying desperately to find its place in the world.
The piece I mutilate in this video is The Bluebells of Scotland.
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Trent’s the man I’m aware of who buys a jazz trombone and plays classical music
it's a maj 7th that's why they called it a jazzbone
underrated comment
vii,or VII?😃
Oooohhhhh that’s a good point
"Not really high F, as in scrunch the undies and crinkle the eyelids sort of F"
This is why your the best
Now all we need is a quadruple slides trombone so that all the positions are quartered.
There'll be like 3 positions lol
@@joecrosstfxc9566 exactly
no.
@@NatepolianOW hey youre in the trombone cult with me
@@leecoker7562 so it would seem
I love the massive breaths with no care in the world about staying in time
"It's... dirty colored" ROFL
Euan Zhang agreed, i had to sit back down after that one too.
That and 'let me reassemble the slide......takes no more than 7 or 8 minutes' had me dying!! XD
I think Tromba has a slide limiting rod available for the Jazzbone. That's what the little hollow tube is for. The rod is held in place with the hole near the handgrip and the slide tube rides along it. The rod has a little nub on the end to keep you from losing the slide hitting "7th" position.
7:40 Wow. That's actually closer to a major 7th than an octave
The extra tube bit is either for holding your cigarette while playing or its a place to put a padlock to lock the instrument. It could also hold a rose if you happen to play an out of tune tango.
Why is the word bone associated with brass instrument (including plastic ones) as they are obviously not made of bone or shaped like a bone either?
Comes from the french word for paperclip, though it could also just be an extension of the word Tromba, which was the name for trumpet in a buncha countries
or are they made of bone?
What world do you live in, where bone is associated with anything other than the TROMbone, which comes from Italian, where it means large trumpet?
@@colejackson6396 "Axe" was a common slang for a horn in america, so anything could possibly be used to refer to an instrument. Similar to how "keys" can be used to refer to any instrument using a keyboard layout, the exception being accordion or other keyed wind instruments.
early versions of the instrument were known as the sackbut (or sagbut, sagbutt, sackbutt etc) but it was also known as trombone in italy, kinda went from there
I have read that there is a safety device that should have been in your case. It is designed to help you while learning the half-spaced positions, and may explain the "mysterious" extra tube you didn't appreciate being in the grip area. A rod that maybe interacts with the tube is supposed to prevent you from going out beyond the half-seventh position and have your slide(s) come apart in the middle of playing.
Nice excerpt from bluebells of Scotland. One of my favorite solos of all time.
"it is no longer white. It is.... Dirty colored" 10/10
I had one of those but I couldn't get my assorted liquids out with the spit valves
On a jizzbone, presumably...
Assorted liquids 😂😂😂
Ask it to swallow.
yo need sum jizzvalves on yo tromboner
That’s not an out-of-tune F, that’s an E. It’s not a fault, it’s a feature.
it just works
I bet this could be a perfect instrument to sort of be a ‘transfer’ version going from Tenor Trombone to Soprano Trombone. Now we need a Soprano Jazzbone to transfer to the Piccolo Trombone!
im confused
but hey what the hell i play clarinet
Same
Same
Me too. But I also play the trumpet, trombone, baritone, organ, piano, guitar and maybe some more. :)
same lol
Mattias Olsson Trumpet, Alto trombone, tenor trombone, baritone, French horn, and piano
How do you find/own all these instruments? Almost every single one of your videos has an instrument I've never heard of.
he buys them on sites like ebay. thats why most of them are not in great condition
@@noapleb5397 that's an amazing insult
@@mihailmilev9909 I don't remember
You should learn a piece called 'Miss Trombone'.
It's more advanced, but hella fun to play.
Teddy Trombone is another.
Forte Piano it's not that hard, I think it is grade 4 level
Forte Piano I did this in eight grade. Given, I'm a trumpet player and our prodegy-home schooled trombone player did the Bone part
The Wise Teddy Bear too
I enjoy the critic"s of the instruments you have been providing.
brilliant video!!!!! i am so happy that your channel exists!!!
Mack_Playz same
They should rename it from Tromba to Trauma, because that is what the player and the listener will experience with the sound that this plastic novelty makes. The extra tube is for a blow dart. If the woodwind section goes out of tune, the tromba player fires a tranquilizer dart to put them to sleep until the concert ends.
I personally have this instrument. The hole on the slide you mentioned is for a plastic rod that connects the outer slide to the inner slide so that you don't accidentally overextend the outer slide and have it fall off while playing.
LOL I like that eraser idea with the rubber stoppers! so resourceful!
Love watching your old video and seeing how much you and your wall of noisy things change.
I don't know ... I don't want to say anything negative because I love your videos so much. Please don't take this the wrong way.
While it's clear this is not a great instrument, It sounds like you're not warmed up or you've not played Blue Bells in a while. I'm not convinced that we are seeing this instrument's true potential.
I'm really sorry; I hope you don't take this is negative criticism.
I don't think he'll take offence to it, it's honest feedback. But I didn't get that vibe from his playing, I think it just has to do with halved slide positions. If you play trombone, you can imagine how hard it is to play everything a few inches farther in than you're used to. If you play a valved instrument, imagine playing some notes regular, some notes a half step up and others a full step up. Challenging stuff.
Edit: just rewatched it. Didn't realize the cracks the first time. Oh well, some people have bad playing days. Or maybe he didn't warm up. Who knows
He's also using the plastic mouthpiece, which is less than ideal.
That's a good point- I play the trombone, and it looked like he was having some difficulty adjusting to this in the beginning of the video. I also thought that the video was unnecessarily critical though- his others do it quite well, but it just seemed forced here. Plastic instruments aren't as bad as he makes them out to be, either (although by my experience they're still a long shot away from brass quality)
I don't see where he's overly harsh, actually. The fact that the high f isn't in tune - which was something I observed on mine too and prompted me to return it, luckily customer rights are pretty good in the EU - is pretty much a deal breaker. Unfortunately it's too low, so kind of hard to correct, other than using the alternative position.
Otherwise I found the thing really fun to play, even despite some too sharp edges, that cumbersome slidestopper restricting finger space and the sound the slide makes.
I wish I'd seen this before I bought one. I was intrigued by plastic but didn't want to replicate anything I already had in brass. This instrument seemed like it expanded the scope of experimentation more, but due to its flaws (the flat F... he's not got a lemon, mine does the exact same as do others, and the pinching tube thing which serves no purpose) make this instrument unplayable.
Which is a shame, because its sound is REALLY GOOD. It bottoms out very fast because there isn't enough density to vibrate well for lower notes (even Bb octave below middle C you start to notice it) but it really sings higher notes probably for the same reason that it sucks for low notes.
The nice sound has been handy to overdub a few times in recording but I would never play this live.
“And that is a high F. Not REALLY high F, as in scrunch the undies and crinkle the eyelids sort of F. “ - Hent Tramilton
heard there was an earthquake /tsunami around were you live today. everything alright?
Daniel Barrios yes he is alright
I'm glad I can hear the intricate music made by the slide accompanied by those pitched notes, so slidey, so plasticy.
I own one of these. The plastic feels nice in your hands, but be wary of the brittle spit valves. Also the inner slides with the black tips wiggle off the slide assembly for some reason and slip back on. Very novelty but a fun time. Don't stick one of your quality metal mouthpieces in these, after a bit of playing, they will become stuck inside the brittle thing and I've tried everything to get that bugger out
Thanks for enduring that for our benefit
why didn't u play a jazz piece
I think Trent is FIRST & FOREMOST a Brass Band man.
Because blue bells
Terd Nugget blue bells of New Zealand
I've still got the scar of when I pinched myself with the slide. Didn't even know Tromba made this.
Cesar Cortez that happened to me this morning in jazz. O u c h .
This concept (the short, double slide) was used on an instrument called a "quadro" back in the 1970s. Not many were made, but they too were considered jazz instruments.
As for that flat high F, I bet there's a bit of plastic constricting the bore somewhere, and if you could knock it out without breaking anything in the process, that might be correctable.
0:11 RIP Trent's fingers. I do that all the time.
That mysterious extra tube used to hold a stick approximately the length of the slide. It runs through a hole in the slide crossbar and - having a stopper at the end - prevents the outer slide from being inadvertently pulled off from the inner slides. Which is something that's happening quite frequently if you're used to regular trombone positions, specifically NOT used to such a short end position ;).
That stick was kind of uncomfortable though, depending on how one holds the slide while playing, so maybe they shelved the concept.
Hey I like the idea of half length slide for short arms and confined spaces. I hope there are proper trombones like that.
Great video! I enjoyed it!Also I hope you are safe, I've been hearing about the Earthquake down there!
NEVER TRUST AN INSTRUMENT THAT CHANGES SHAPE WHEN YOU PLAY IT PLEASE IM TELLING YOU
I love your vids keep up the good work
Finally the cute little jazzbone! Would you recommend it for a travelling trombone for holidays?
I've been watching your videos for a will while now and I'm a beginner on the trombone starting my second year. Are there any tips you have?
Tromba KenBone. I had to.
Private Cocky more like a boneless tromba...
Hi Trent, I am a junior in high school and want to get a new horn I need something that can play jazz and symphonic (unless one is phenomenally better than the other) I need something that's good at both. The trumpets I am looking at are the Back 180s37, Schilke X3, and the Bach LT190 "commercial" trumpet. What is your opinion on the matter because I am utterly stuck between horns, Thank you.
I'm not sure which is more entertaining, all the unusual instruments you come up with or your particular brand of English.
I think the purpose of the little tube is just so you install the slides in the correct orientation. If the slides are rotated 180 degrees, your spit-valves will be on top, which is usually undesirable.
Love the new intro
Trent, did you buy this Tromba new or is it borrowed?
I would suggest that the "strange little tube" (mentioned at 4:35) may be for a rod to stop the slides from falling off - especially for a new player or learner. I'm not sure of this - it just seems like a good reason for it to be there.
the length of tubing on the slide is the same as a regular tenor bone. it is half the length if you measured with a rule from the slide lock to the bottom where the end cap and water key is. thus bone was made to compliment trombone players in jazz because they typically have ti move great distances especially in solos. and I do think they could have made it a better quality
What's your opinion on the Getzen Super Deluxe Tone Balanced Trumpets?
would you recommend a pbone because I am thinking about buying one
What’s the full range of it? Is it similar to a typical tenor trombone?
Glad you stopped when you did. That was almost painful. Thanks for the review.
If they had actuated both valves at the same time, not enough air would've reached the second tube to empty it well, no?
It would only be twice is loud if you had 10 slides, Trent.
I know. The slides are very loud either way.
What is your opinion on DCIs?
so what is the purpose for the instrument, as in is it designed to do anything special or is it just for the fun of it they made it. and also great video once again
Could you possible do a review of an Allora Plastic Trombone? (Perhaps the Metallic Silver/Gold varieties?)
Hello, I'm a high school trombonist. I've been watching your videos and agree with your judgements. I've watched the pbone video and was wondering if you could do a video on tiger's plastics bass trombone. I'd like to know if it's worth buying instead of a cheaper brass bass trombone.
Trent I play trombone in my school band and it's my second year playing. I feel like I have problems with my mouthpiece pressure because I often get a red ring around my mouth after playing for a small amount of time. It also sometimes hurts. Could you make a video on mouthpiece pressure ir something like that?
Woah 212 likes 0 dislikes :O Keep up the videos Trent ;)
I have a 49 year old cornet and all of the slides are stuck. How can I fix them?
I have a friend with one of these trombones and where you have the two holes she has a plastic bar that seems to be blocking the slide from coming off while playing. I can check with her and see though.
Could you do a review or tell me how the Glory Bb Trumpet is? I play saxophone in band, but i wanna play trumpet just for a hobby. So I dont want to spend much
Blue Bells of Scotland 👌🏼
I'm working on an arrangement of the Blue Devils' trombone feature on just plastics. I'm using jazzbones for the trombone parts. Wish me luck
I wish that in your videos you played pop brass tunes from time to time such as songs made famous by Herb Alpert & The Tijuana Brass. I bet lots of your viewers would appreciate it as well. For example, with this instrument you could’ve played some of the melodies made famous by the TJB’s trombonist Bob Edmundson.
I kind of like it. It is a bit of a novelty, which is why I like it. It would be a cute member of some sort of traveling jazz band, that would play outside of their cute Volkswagen bus at festivals. The sound itself sounds jazzy, in my opinion. Also that out-of-tune F could be a jazzy thing the band might do. Who knows. I thought the video was very interesting.
I think I know why that little piece of tubing on the slide is there. it would have a plastic stick that would be connected at the beginning of the slide and that little tube is to hold it in place, but yours doesn't have the plastic stick
I'm watching this on the day it came out 2 years later
Hey Trent, i'm a euphonium player and in high school. I recently bought a 1920's King Brand era brass instrument, and it's not a baritone. Did they make Alto Horns in King Brand? There is no mouth piece with it but I tried an alto horn mouthpiece and it fit perfectly. Do you know anything about it? Thanks -Scotty
Yes, King made alto horns. Is it a model with the valves on the front and the bell tilted forward?
+Trent Hamilton Yes sir, do you have a business email? If so email me and I can send you a picture of it.
+Scotty Jones I'd remove your email if I were you. this is the internet 🤗
The Boxin' Ring its not my main email, but ok
gone
As the rest of my family is rather musical I'd like to get my little brother (a tiny 8 year old) a preferably plastic trombone for Christmas. What would you recommend? I was interested in this as he's so small he'd be able to reach the end.
My only real issue with this instrument is the face the tuning is out of whack on the high F harmonic.
I recommend NOT going with Tromba, Go with Pbone. :)
if you want to buy a plastic, Tiger is best
Adam Bergen is a plastic tuba or bronze better ??
Paul Gt I don't know tubas. I didn't even know they made them out of bronze.
i like the independent water keys - i like to blow the water out and having them both open wouldn't be as efficient for me
I kinda like the aesthetics of plastic "brass" instruments and the light weight sure is appealing... but so far I really haven't found one with a good plastic that doesn't seem to grind away just by looking at it
trent will you please do a top 5 / 10 trombones and trumpets based on personal experience and if you have already done that im sorry for sounding like a broken record thx :b
Question. Does each slide move independently, or are they connected?
They're all connected :)
Trent Hamilton Could you do more vids with a saxophone
Trent Hamilton Thank you for replying!
Trent Hamilton you should review the tiger plastic trombone with the F trigger
Baseballer_AJ they are connected, there are just two of them to make the slide half as long
The little tube is for a stopper, so that the slide doesn't get pulled off as it is half length.
rainyjacktheepic that is a much better theory than mine.
what's the difference between a trombone and a jazzbone?
Pretty sure that tube is for your mouthpiece to go if you wanna do mouthpiece excercizes and use the slide
nice end clip
Not a bad idea, but shoddily executed. Plastic slides are inherently noisy, high drag, and tend to abrade themselves. The out-of-tune high F just indicates that the instrument was rushed to market without working out the bugs.
high F is naturally sharp on all trombones unless you play flat-1st position (halfway between 1 and 2)
@@mr.klunee4103 precisely; high F has to be played with the slide out a bit on any normal trombone, making it extra weird that this one's high F is somehow flat. How Tromba pulled off such a glorious failure I cannot say.
Samuel Plays Brass yeah, I would guess it's the unusual double slide (because it affects the length of tubing) that throws it off but who knows.
If both water keys were pressed at the same time, the key closest to the mouthpiece would be emptied with more force than the second. If only one key is depressed at a time, the force is more efficient to empty the water.
What would you consider the best trombone for under $4000. Also what mouthpiece
Bach 42bo for 3.5k
It is what I use
Funny that I just started learning Bluebells of Scotland
You need to try out out the tiger plastic instruments, I have heard great things about them and the few videos I have watched have show promise.
Please look at some of the obscure Wessex Tubas instruments!
Hey Trent. How are you? I think that this instrument is made for a child. That should be why in the slide section there is an extrange tube because his/her hands are small so maybe (just maybe) it is an aid to hold this trombone properly. If you found out if it is for another reason, please let me know. In my my case it is just a guess :)
Actually, double the slides does not mean it's twice as loud. I believe you would need 10x the slides to make it twice as loud, someone correct me if I'm wrong
I think he was talking about the sound the slide makes when it rubs against the other peice of the slide
Why does the brass in the intro sound Synth?
Maybe that small tube is so you know which way to put the slide on.
That tube is for holding your joint whilst playing.
How much is that Trombone?
But Trent, how would the air even reach the second spitvalve if the first one was already open? The air would simply escape through the first valve thingy. Most of it doesn't just come out dripping either.
No, most of the air continues through the instrument.
fair enough
So why is it called the jazzbone? Does it have any real advantages in playing jazz?
Hi Trent, I've just been told about a German make of instruments called Trohmann. Their trumpets and cornets begin at £140 and I'm curious as to how good they are.
Thomann, I think it is. The band I conduct bought a cornet and flugelhorn from them under a previous conductor. We've had to replace the flugelhorn as the valves weren't very good. It's a German brand, but all their instruments are made in China. The cornet is nothing special, but I don't know how it would handle long term use.
Yeah Thomann is right. I had a go on one of their silver plated cornets that another band member has and it was really nice. He said that the original he got sent was one of the lacquered ones which he sent back because of a sticky valve. They sent him the silver plated one and he said that it's been brilliant since he got it. He's had it for 2 years.
I was just so curious as the tone and the ease of hitting higher notes was amazing compared to my Besson 600. I found it hard to believe that it was only £200.
Thanks for replying by the way, really appreciate it!
Do you remember whether the ones with the band you conducted were lacquered or silver plated?
The little rod on the slide might be a little tube so you can make your own german water key
What is the manufacturer's purpose behind having the half slide?
My only explanation is perhaps smaller children who may not be able to reach that 7th position in a real trombone, or even the 5th. This would eliminate that severally.
Jake Maloy Well from my understanding it makes the positions easier to reach, especially for faster licks. Typically you'd see jazz trombonist play on a peashooter but this would allow you to still have the range of the peashooter but have to reach less than with an actual peashooter. If that makes any sense.
Make a video on the jazzophone
The little tube for a lyre maybe?
So does it really facilitate playing fast Bebop better or allow young kids to play all positions? All questions for what must have been the reason it exists.
It doesn’t sound like it if it means that even greater precision is necessary, as evidenced by the instrument’s intonation issues in the ending piece.
Would you be willing to sell it at all? I am a performer in the Central Michigan University Basketball Band and I am currently using my father's Holton TR158. I love my father's trombone, but I worry that an inebriated student (or sousaphone player) might knock into it or damage it at a game. I would love to find a good plastic trombone that could take a small fall and that I wouldn't have to worry so much about. Any advice would be greatly appreciated:)
Yes, sure. Although the cost of shipping would mean it's probably cheaper to just buy new.
Bryan Kohn you might be better off picking up a cheap one on Amazon for a hundred or two dollars, given the tuning of the plastic one. You will also get better projection for games