Keeping your fingers curved has nothing to do with damaging the valve casing as the video you link here might suggest. Perhaps, people have said that to you but they would be wrong. It has to do with muscle structure the fact that flattening out your fingers puts tension in all the muscles in your hand, which slows you down. This is why around the 7 min mark when you start to play faster passages you can hear a misalignment between your articulation and your valve depression. If you curve your fingers, your hands would be more relaxed, and you could play these passages faster/in time.
I played with flat fingers until I started marching with Blue Devils B this year. I got roasted at auditions. The only main thing is that it dose not look as good, but in a concert setting, it dose not really matter.
@@GNMi79 yeah no. Halve-valving properly is simply muscle memory no matter which way you play. Yet, playing with your knuckles is antithetical to the ergonimics of your hand. There is literally no upside to playing flat fingers. It's just lazy. Plenty of jazz players who half-valve just fine playing with proper hand position.
Our lead trombone broke his arm at the start of this school year, and as his arm has healed, he's been able to play the p-bone, as it is a far lighter instrument, so the weight is a benefit. The other benefit I can see to these instruments is their capabilities in very cold weather; A few years back, our pep band played in 10 degree weather, and metal valves/slides were freezing. The plastic was still movable, however. So, from my experience, there are some niche places that these would be utilizable.
It took me 5 weeks to find a ACTUAL plastic trumpet review because it seems that whoever makes these trumpets and making famous trumpet players give fake reviews THANK YOU
my granddaughter has set her heart on a blue trumpet so your review was really helpful and as she was born hypoxic and is a little weak on one side after listening to your review i feel more confident to buy one as she is only 8 and going to start lessons this will be lighter for her also i will be getting the metal mouth piece . you have the best review i have seen so far . Thanks Margaret Barnett.
Dude, for a professed trombone/baritone player, you're one hell of a trumpet player! I've been playing for 20+ years and you're playing Arbans quite well.
I dont know how this ended up on my page and I know nothing about musical instruments but I must say that it is wonderful to listen to someone review trumpets in extreme detail. Great channel, got yourself another sub, cheers!
I have this horn. Picked up a black one from music and arts for 50 bucks. It’s a lot of fun to play. It does leak out of the tuning slide and out of the mouthpiece but it’s not a big deal. It comes with a nice gig bag a stand and a cleaning kit and the two mouthpieces are adequate. If you clean the valves and oil them they work great.
It sounds to me like this would be a great instrument to practice on. If it's so hard to play well, then imagine how much easier your proper metal trumpet will feel in comparison! I noticed a similar thing when I switched from tuba back to trumpet. The tuba requires so much more air and control, that it required me to improve beyond the point where I had otherwise plateaued with my trumpet skills, and I could feel that improvement when I switched back to playing trumpet.
No, that's actually one of the major points in favor of these plastic instruments. I can have my kids (ages 7 and less) fool around with my Tromba, which is something I'd never allow unsupervised with a brass instrument.
nivlick I've been meaning to play the piano and the saxophone. But I know nothing of playing the saxophone. But is it similar to playing the trumpet? What are the differences? Please let me know.
some find it more comfortable, it can bring issues where you don't fully open the piston as there's just more of the hand's weight on it but it's better than having your hands cramped, that counts specially for people with relatively large hands and a fairly flat natural resting pose of the hand.
Some people find it more comfortable to play like that and some people play faster with the fingers like that or they might’ve been taught to play like that
Well, I know that for me, playing a trumpet with curved fingers just isn't comfortable. I'm a euphonium/bass trombone player, and even some smaller baritones/euphs/trombones can be cramped for my hands, just due to how long they happen to be. When I play trumpet (well, flugel) I usually end up playing with flat fingers, or, if I need a bit more speed, I do some weird hand position that allows me to rest my fingertips on the valve caps. Whatever works. IMO, everyone should start with the basic recommended technique. That includes hand positions, posture, embouchure details, and air. But, once the student reaches an intermediate level, they'll find what works for them. Most trumpet professors would take one look at my trumpet embouchure and have a heart attack. Yet, I get good sound, can support the entire range of the instrument up to about a high D, and it serves me well. I've probably picked up some "bad" habits on euphonium and trombone as well, yet I have zero noticeable issues with my technique and sound.
Trent, perhaps your issue with the valves extends from the fact that your right hand is incorrectly placed on the instrument; your right thumb should be either resting on the lead-pipe or in between the first and second valve casings (below the lead-pipe) and your fingertips should be on the valves.
If you used the right finger placement and C shape in your playing hand and got your pinkie out of the ring your fingers would not get tired as fast or even at all.
Love your videos. Nonetheless, I have to disagree with your comment at 10:10. For $150, you can buy an Olds Ambassador or a used Bach tr-300, both of which would play circles around any plastic instrument. I've used my 1955 Ambassador which I paid around $75.00 at jazz festivals with some of the greatest musicians on the planet.
Live in the USA, I only have my right arm, I am 68 yo. I stop playing 6 or 7 years ago and is been almost three weeks that i bought a nice used Jupiter 600, and i am starting from zero. It be nice if they improve the quality of a plastic trompet, that will make it much easier for me to handle.
I can appreciate any talent in any musical instruments deffo, and good effort for it all. Its just at 1am and late nights for some reason i end up looking at such random videos and no idea why? I looked at a chap serenading cows with his trumpet last night and believe this is why your video is suggested. Big props for playing m8 :)
Trent Hamilton my repair guy refuses to sell tiger brand instruments because they're so unreliable. With our dramatic temperature swings in Canada, the expansion and contraction of the materials make the valves bind.
I bought one of these for my son to start playing on. They must have changed the manufacturing process. No leaks and I could smack out a top G (above top C) without difficulty using the plastic mouthpieces. It's no Schilke or a Bach Strad but for the money it's a bomb proof beginner instrument.
At my high school's band camp, one of the instructors was a professional trumpet player. Needless to say, he had a very nice horn. He bought one of these (silver-colored finish) to take outside with him so he wasn't marching with his professional horn. I think that's one of the best uses for these plastic instruments. Not only do you not have to worry about your instrument being injured, but when it's cold, you aren't playing on a cold horn.
TangyGoatCheese I think plastic horns are actually great for marching. You won't ever get the same tone as with brass, but you don't have to worry about temperature or water damage. They're also lighter. I wouldn't recommend them for soloists or anything, but they're great for stands or pep band where you're in a close proximity with the next person.
I am a trumpet player and just loved this tutorial!!! I could certainly tell the difference with the metal mouthpiece!! This instrument would be very good for a beginning student!! (with a metal mouthpiece)....you are making me think about buying one and I already have 3 REAL ones.....lol
Good video. As an adult, I bought one of these to use as a learning tool, and as such it is ideal - not too expensive, gives an idea of what playing a trumpet can be like, and has allowed me to get up and running. Mine had none of the defects mentioned in the video, but I guess they are fairly inconsistent when they roll off the production lines. I have yet to buy a proper trumpet, but went through a similar process with trombone, started on a pBone then bought a good quality metal instrument. Once that switch is made, there is no going back, and I expect the same for the trumpet. It was heartening to hear that even an accomplished player considered it difficult to play, so my reasoning for now is that if I can make a plastic trumpet sound good, it bodes well when I eventually get a good instrument.
Thank you Trent for showing me the plastic trumpet I was interested in purchasing one but seeing what you have shown me, I would have too much of a problem playing this instrument since I am recovering from a stroke and can't produce the amount of air needed that had to produce when I played using my standard silver King trumpet.
Trent, I enjoy your videos and I have learned a lot from them. This video is one of many I watched as I researched the next trumpet I would buy, and based on a preponderance of positive reviews I bought a Tromba trumpet in August and I love it. I am now playing in an orchestra and a band and a brass quintet. Last week, the director of the quintet, who plays a brass trumpet said he is a traditionalist and isn't sure about the plastic horns but that mine sounds pretty good. I use metal mouthpieces with mine, usually to Connstellation mouthpiece I used in high school. I have never had a leak at the mouthpiece. I very rarely need to oil the valves and find them just right to use using the springs that were installed when I received it. I am playing notes on the Tromba that are higher than I ever reached on any other horn and I can get to lower notes than I ever have before. I was born with spina bifida, have suffered several neck injuries and have several bad disks in my back, and have had my right shoulder injured several times. Holding a metal trumpet for more than a few minutes would be very painful. The light weight of the Tromba is a huge benefit to me.
Question: Since it's "more difficult to play", would it be a good practice-instrument to improve technique? And then it will be much easier for a beginner to move to a metal trumpet later?
As I've mentioned earlier, my prime instrument is a Benge 8z cornet (velvet) and I have a Tromba trumpet and cornet (canvas), though I use a Denis Wick 2 on the latter and a Bach 1C mouthpiece on the former. I teach young kids and we also march around and I also use the Trombas as travel horns and even at jam sessions sometimes, though I don't think I'd record with them. The critical difference in terms of control, playing ease and intonation is, as you say to use a quality metal mouthpiece and, as you also say, as beginning or supplemental "knock-around" horns I think they do a good job.
Glad to see an intellectually honest review for once. I get so tired of people very famous people blowing sunshine up our rears about these! People make these sound like the Messiah of trumpets rendered in plastic shaped like a trumpet! Glad the price has come down all of these plastic trumpets had a much higher price tag while I was in High School which I thought was insane! Especially when Warburton started selling them! Could you imagine a plastic Tuba???LOL I also hear you can not use industry standard valve oils on many of these plastic trumpets.
You make it sound so good. I got the Lade, and am working on the scales now. It's all brass, and the only problem I have is the quick collection of spittal, and use the spit key often to blow it out.
I was so incredibly happy to get my Bach Strad back after playing one of these for a few years!! The Tromba is very difficult to play comparably. Not very efficient.
I own one of these in bright metallic blue and silver finish as a kind of fun colorful side instrument,etc. Of course I use my metal mouthpiece on it and actually played it on a tune in a show I was doing in Las Vegas. Also it helps to play the mouthpiece you're used to of course, yes the plastic mouthpieces it comes with kind of suck,heh. Playing mine tho It was in tune and played fine. It takes your favorite valve oil and slide grease. Mine doesn't leak, neither water nor air. My only peeve was originally they had sent me a red one which I had broken one of the little pegs on the top of the 1st valve casing. Had to carefully super glue it back on and be careful not to engage taking the valve in/out too often/much. I was able to turn it in to the company at a music trade show which they had already sent me the new blue one,etc. This is a fun alternative I think for young students in elementary school band and of course for guys like me who like to have fun on stage,etc. :)
I wish I had seen this before I ordered a plastic flugelhorn, I used to play with a local fanfare where I hired my metal flugelhorn. But I quit because of moving and I thought I'd buy a plastic flugelhorn to be able to play a bit to retain the skill. It hasn't yet arrived but I hope I made the correct choice.
ive been playing trumpet for about 7 years and over that time countless amounts of trumpet pros have seen me play with my fingers being stiff and that pressing down on the valves is a more professional way and the correct way of playing it, This mans is playing the trumpet really well but pressing down on the valves would not only look better, it would increase the speed and articulation of the notes. all in all it sounds great for a plastic trumpet i personally use a standard Bb bach all brass body and titanium valves with a gold plated 7C mouthpiece, works and sounds great
You mention this is better than a similarly priced metal instrument. I honestly don't have anything to compare to, but a few years ago I picked up an eTude brand trumpet for about $100 US (maybe an ETR-100, not sure how to check). It's been a very good instrument, and the only "problem" I can notice is maybe that the 3rd valve tuning slide is kind of wobbly if you try to wobble it. It's not noticable to me while playing though
A good, and no doubt accurate review. Have you tried a Kelly plastic mouthpiece? They describe them as "lexan", mostly because of the negative connotations of the word "plastic", I guess. To me, they play like a metal mouthpiece, except they don't start out feeling cold, or get hot. My only criticism is that they don't make enough different sizes - I'd buy more, if they did. Their 7C cornet and trumpet mouthpieces are good, IMHO. The mouthpiece that comes with Tromba instruments, is shit, yes. As I also attempt clarinet and sax playing, I never expect the mouthpiece that comes with anything to be of any use though. The rest of the instrument is a bit better, but still compromised by questionable design and manufacturing processes. I have the Tromba plastic cornet. I haven't noticed a leak around the mouthpiece, but I don't use the stock mouthpiece - I've mostly used a Kelly 7C with it. The main spit valve drips constantly, which has the advantage that it never needs emptying, but must also be throwing out some of the notes. The lower end of the scale is a bit buzzy and weak sounding, to me. The worst problem is the intonation - if third space C is in tune, second line G is very flat, for example. I noticed the join where the bell section starts on mine has white foaming polyurethane (or similar) glue, protruding into the bore. I made a tool with a diamond chip glass cutter on a length of tubing, to grind it out a bit, which seemed to help, but not enough. My guess is that the other joins are the same - restrictions in the bore due to expanding foam glue, throwing out the intonation. If you look up the effect of a dent which narrows the bore, on a brass instrument, you'll find that it throws out the intonation of notes that have a pressure node at that point - the note plays higher or lower than it should. The other big irritation is that third slide barely slides - it keeps catching, and has to be forced to move. If it had been built with a metal sheath, like the valves, that wouldn't happen. I'm inclined to think there's no reason why a plastic brass instrument can't work well, though some moving parts probably can't be plastic - at least they had the sense to use metal liners on the valve pistons, on these. It's just that no one has yet pulled it off, convincingly, as far as I know. I've wondered if the PlayLite euphonium is any better. I've never played a Euph, but I do sometimes play a tenor horn (aka Eb alto horn). They're not supposed to have slides you move while playing, so that's one less thing to get right.
I bought pTrumpet not Tromba, and there was problem with sticky valves. Valves were from plastic and the water inside trumpet was stopping them from going back up. How is it with Tromba? Is it the same problem?
I suppose it is intended for children's/school bands where parents may not want to buy a good bit of brass while there is still a good chance it won't be cared for very well. I can see myself obtaining a couple of them for a junior cadet band to use as a training instrument before letting them loose on a good bit of brass.
The metal mouthpiece made a pretty obvious difference to me. This guy does good reviews from what I've seen, he gives the sort of advice that actually helps you make informed decisions on this sort of thing.
i recently examined one of these and they are a plastic version of a mid 60s conn director. . if you cruise ebay you can buy a good shape conn director trumpet or cornet for about the same money as this plastic knock off sells for. i agree this horn has it's place like in cold climates . they stay in tune in about any weather. they may be a one or two year wonder throw away horn. it does not take much damage to a brass horn to exceed $180 in serious repairs from marching field accidents
What's the time signature with variation four? I'm trying to transcribe it, but I can't get it right. I know it doesn't show a difference, but the notes shown don't fit, or I'm not seeing a certain rhythm dot or something..
I am considering buying a plastic trumpet to mess around with (I am a trombone player) would you recommend to do so? btw love your videos Trent - a loyal subscriber
Hi, You'd probably be better served by spending the same amount of money on a reputable 2nd hand brass trumpet that's in decent condition. Thanks for your comment :)
The metal mouthpiece definitely sounds better, and for that low a price, seems like an obvious addition to get with this when such is appropriate (unless they already have a better metal mouthpiece, of course). It seems the mouthpiece is the most important thing. Some trumpet academic did a video about making your own trumpet out of a hose for fun, and it sounded significantly better when he used a real trumpet mouthpiece.
_If you let those kids borrow your cell phone, but only if it's inside a protective case, then you just might, want to spring for one of these trumpets instead!_ ~semi-Larry The Cable Guy impression
Hey I want to ask a question I have a trumpet by the company Atude it is a beginner trumpet and some notes like G or F I cannot get to sound perfectly that note is supposed to sell high but when I do it it sounds very low.
Can you review a plastic euphonium (or any other euphonium under $500 us dollars). I was thinking about buying a cheap euph and wanted to know if it was worth the cheap price. (but in the sole purpose of fun and not professional use).
plastic trumpet really can be a good choice for marching band, young beginners even for an experienced performer as a spare. there is one brand made pretty good.
Hello Trent, I just saw your video and well, you left me thinking now. I do own a Stradivarius model 37 but a plastic trumpet is something I've been thinking about buying just to say...I have one, lol. However, I would like to buy the best plastic horn possible produced. I wasn't too impressed with some of the negatives you mentioned for the Trompa review and my question is, have you reviewed others such as the Allora, Tiger Plastic, Pbone. Which one would you say out of the many out there which I think i've mentioned probably the better ones in the market, which one would you agree or recommend.
If I increase my mouth piece from 5 to 7 do you think it'd be easier to play my selmer bundy? I'm a noob and can only play c to c but abc I really have to take another breath to blow the notes
Hi Trent! Great upload again. Cheers from a fan in Holland. On another note (pun intended) have you (has anyone here) ever heard of W. Van WIjk trumpet manufacturer from Vlijmen (the Netherlands). I happen to have a trumpet trom that maker (valves not too smooth) but still: seen that there is so little information to be found on this brand, I thought anyone here would have a clue? Cheers!
I play the French Horn and the Mellophone, but I want to learn to play the trumpet. Most of the fingerings are the same, and it would be cool to learn. Great Video!!!
Well honestly, what would you expect. Tromba is a 3rd party manufacturer with low reviews everywhere i've seen, typically 3 stars or less. Despite that though you earned a subscriber because i love your videos i checked a few out before this one and liked them quite alot. I'm a trumpet player and enjoy your videos, great work and keep it up!
I have a question just out of curiosity when you we're in you're highschool band did you try out for drum major ?/I loved to know. I ask this because I myself am both a trombonist and the senior drum major at my high school band. Love your videos and keep up the good work.
Satyendra N Doni Banerjee - Since you are the drum major of your high school marching band, be sure to recommend Trent Hamilton to your brass players, especially low brass players if they have any questions that you or your their band director can;t answer! He can be a help at times when a band director and drum major can't; especially when they're busy with other things but remember to tell them that Trent is busy once in a while too, So tell them to be nice!!!and be nice to them too! Thanks! Make sure you get the band director permission too because we know how rude a HS band director can be if they're getting old or aren't in complete control of everything I had a band director too when I was in high school way back in the 1990's Also recommend they take the time to watch every video he has created but only after all their homework instrument practice is completed!
The real choice is a plastic trumpet versus a Mendini, and my son started on a $110 Mendini, which we gave to a neighbor recently. It was not awful, but it's obviously not a Bach Strad.
Before anyone else comments about flat fingers, check out this video: th-cam.com/video/8IcfhaD0mfE/w-d-xo.html
Keeping your fingers curved has nothing to do with damaging the valve casing as the video you link here might suggest. Perhaps, people have said that to you but they would be wrong. It has to do with muscle structure the fact that flattening out your fingers puts tension in all the muscles in your hand, which slows you down. This is why around the 7 min mark when you start to play faster passages you can hear a misalignment between your articulation and your valve depression. If you curve your fingers, your hands would be more relaxed, and you could play these passages faster/in time.
I played with flat fingers until I started marching with Blue Devils B this year. I got roasted at auditions. The only main thing is that it dose not look as good, but in a concert setting, it dose not really matter.
can’t really use yourself as a source to justify why you play wrong.
Lmao I was about to mention that
@@GNMi79 yeah no. Halve-valving properly is simply muscle memory no matter which way you play. Yet, playing with your knuckles is antithetical to the ergonimics of your hand. There is literally no upside to playing flat fingers. It's just lazy. Plenty of jazz players who half-valve just fine playing with proper hand position.
Sounds pretty good for not being brass and being plastic.
My sentiments as well!
i like ur profile pic
But only with the metal mouth piece.
I cannot imagine a conductor saying, "OK, plastics, let's take it from Letter H."
Yeah. Excuse plastic section. I’m struggling to read the score today because I left my plastics at home.
@@nickdryadthis is profusely amusing.
You should do a plastic clarinet review
Oh wait
HACKERZWAZHERE LOL But some are wood
U really got a sneak diss us like that
Timeshifter 10 maybe because is part of the woodwind family?
MosterTheSniper Ik but he’s referring to the plastic ones
Maybe you should GO TO BED
he stats playing at 6:03
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I swear it's always second valve.
Its flat in the music the little b means flat
Ikr
probably because most people's middle finger is longer, so the force pressing on the valve is on different direction
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Jon Olaivar for me it’s always first
why does he sound better than me with a plastic trumpet
who cares
CaUSe Ur bAd
Yeah you must be bad at producing tone work on air and embochure
Because he is a veteran in brass instrument
Same reason Bryce Harper can hit better than I can even when he uses a t-ball bat.
Im a drummer, and for some reason, these videos are so fun to watch. Maybe its his accent but idk 😂
Nate Vos im a clairnet player and i might get to move to the saxophone
Nate Vos ik
Same and I'm a French horn player
Nate Vos same
Nate Vos I’m a trombone player and I might play the trumpet
Our lead trombone broke his arm at the start of this school year, and as his arm has healed, he's been able to play the p-bone, as it is a far lighter instrument, so the weight is a benefit. The other benefit I can see to these instruments is their capabilities in very cold weather; A few years back, our pep band played in 10 degree weather, and metal valves/slides were freezing. The plastic was still movable, however. So, from my experience, there are some niche places that these would be utilizable.
(Only my opinion) Plastic valves versus plastic slides: much more mechanics in the piston valve
Holy crap your director let you play with plastic
@@pianofry1138 Well it was either that or have no lead trombone
Another benefit is sports stadiums that don't let metal in.
we played in about 15 degree weather and some people's lips froze to their mouthpiece
It took me 5 weeks to find a ACTUAL plastic trumpet review because it seems that whoever makes these trumpets and making famous trumpet players give fake reviews THANK YOU
my granddaughter has set her heart on a blue trumpet so your review was really helpful and as she was
born hypoxic and is a little weak on one side after listening to your review i feel more confident to buy one
as she is only 8 and going to start lessons this will be lighter for her also i will be getting the metal mouth piece .
you have the best review i have seen so far . Thanks Margaret Barnett.
Dude, for a professed trombone/baritone player, you're one hell of a trumpet player! I've been playing for 20+ years and you're playing Arbans quite well.
I dont know how this ended up on my page and I know nothing about musical instruments but I must say that it is wonderful to listen to someone review trumpets in extreme detail. Great channel, got yourself another sub, cheers!
I have this horn. Picked up a black one from music and arts for 50 bucks. It’s a lot of fun to play. It does leak out of the tuning slide and out of the mouthpiece but it’s not a big deal. It comes with a nice gig bag a stand and a cleaning kit and the two mouthpieces are adequate. If you clean the valves and oil them they work great.
I appreciate the effort you put into the videos even for such entry level products...
It sounds to me like this would be a great instrument to practice on.
If it's so hard to play well, then imagine how much easier your proper metal trumpet will feel in comparison!
I noticed a similar thing when I switched from tuba back to trumpet. The tuba requires so much more air and control, that it required me to improve beyond the point where I had otherwise plateaued with my trumpet skills, and I could feel that improvement when I switched back to playing trumpet.
But does it djent
No, that's actually one of the major points in favor of these plastic instruments. I can have my kids (ages 7 and less) fool around with my Tromba, which is something I'd never allow unsupervised with a brass instrument.
you missed the joke
Sascha Rambeaud you dodged that point like you were in the matrix
Ghetto Fabulous oh my god! I've never seen so many people have a joke go over their head. We need more metal heads
That, sir, is the question we need to be asking more and more.
I thought it would sound like a toy but it has a pretty decent sound for being plastic
Why do you play with your fingers straight? My teacher always told me to put them curved so my fingers went faster.
Jacob Trump each to their own I taught my self to play piano trumpet and sax entered many comps and won a few.
nivlick I've been meaning to play the piano and the saxophone. But I know nothing of playing the saxophone. But is it similar to playing the trumpet? What are the differences? Please let me know.
Erika Lucks you use more than 3 of your fingers. You don't have a mouthpiece like that of a trumpet and you need reeds. It's actually very different
Saxophone is in the woodwind family and is best compared to clarinet. Trumpet is part of the brass family and is very different instrument.
In his vid comparing euphonium with baritone horn he plays with proper finger technic.
Bro, you are awesome! I could listen to you talk about anything all day!
Why so much flat fingers
some find it more comfortable, it can bring issues where you don't fully open the piston as there's just more of the hand's weight on it but it's better than having your hands cramped, that counts specially for people with relatively large hands and a fairly flat natural resting pose of the hand.
Some people find it more comfortable to play like that and some people play faster with the fingers like that or they might’ve been taught to play like that
Well, I know that for me, playing a trumpet with curved fingers just isn't comfortable. I'm a euphonium/bass trombone player, and even some smaller baritones/euphs/trombones can be cramped for my hands, just due to how long they happen to be.
When I play trumpet (well, flugel) I usually end up playing with flat fingers, or, if I need a bit more speed, I do some weird hand position that allows me to rest my fingertips on the valve caps. Whatever works.
IMO, everyone should start with the basic recommended technique. That includes hand positions, posture, embouchure details, and air. But, once the student reaches an intermediate level, they'll find what works for them. Most trumpet professors would take one look at my trumpet embouchure and have a heart attack. Yet, I get good sound, can support the entire range of the instrument up to about a high D, and it serves me well. I've probably picked up some "bad" habits on euphonium and trombone as well, yet I have zero noticeable issues with my technique and sound.
Because... *🅱️FLAT*
Coz he felt like it
Trent, perhaps your issue with the valves extends from the fact that your right hand is incorrectly placed on the instrument; your right thumb should be either resting on the lead-pipe or in between the first and second valve casings (below the lead-pipe) and your fingertips should be on the valves.
@@JoCE2305 yea me too, that was my main problem I had learning
being a music fanatic myself, watching your channel is quite intriguing. so many things I've never seen before! keep it goin, Trent.
Elementary School: One of the harshest and most damaging environments for brass instruments.
If you used the right finger placement and C shape in your playing hand and got your pinkie out of the ring your fingers would not get tired as fast or even at all.
Love your videos. Nonetheless, I have to disagree with your comment at 10:10. For $150, you can buy an Olds Ambassador or a used Bach tr-300, both of which would play circles around any plastic instrument. I've used my 1955 Ambassador which I paid around $75.00 at jazz festivals with some of the greatest musicians on the planet.
Live in the USA, I only have my right arm, I am 68 yo. I stop playing 6 or 7 years ago and is been almost three weeks that i bought a nice used Jupiter 600, and i am starting from zero. It be nice if they improve the quality of a plastic trompet, that will make it much easier for me to handle.
take the smaller springs and stretch them out
Andrew Devall
That's what i used to do on my Corn trumpet...
it doesnt make it stronger only longer
Dancing Spiderman what's a corn trumpet
HD o ICEBOUND Hooke's law
Was anyone shook by how he had straight fingers lol
Flat fingers my guy
Yeah and he put his finger in the little hook thing
Elite Films44 who cares. Doesn’t really matter how you hold it.
Elite Films44 That’s kinda what the hook is for what you mean
@@ColinMroczko You're supposed to angle your fingers facing directly down so you don't scrap the valve casing.
Trent you nailed it, the most important how plastic compare to brass trumpet and environment to use this trumpet, very useful info.
I can appreciate any talent in any musical instruments deffo, and good effort for it all. Its just at 1am and late nights for some reason i end up looking at such random videos and no idea why? I looked at a chap serenading cows with his trumpet last night and believe this is why your video is suggested. Big props for playing m8 :)
Doesn't sound as bad as I expected it to.
You are one of my only people who give me advice and knowledge on my music skill
Hai Trent hope you one day can present the tiger TUBA in plastic or one similar since you are a big brass player
Hi Ted, I often get asked about Tiger instruments, but I don't have someone I can borrow one from, and I can't justify spending money on them.
Trent Hamilton my repair guy refuses to sell tiger brand instruments because they're so unreliable. With our dramatic temperature swings in Canada, the expansion and contraction of the materials make the valves bind.
I bought one of these for my son to start playing on. They must have changed the manufacturing process. No leaks and I could smack out a top G (above top C) without difficulty using the plastic mouthpieces. It's no Schilke or a Bach Strad but for the money it's a bomb proof beginner instrument.
Nice quality! I really love your vids and think that you deserver more subscribers. Keep up the good work
Good review. Not just an unboxing video. The reviewer clearly has experience with brass instruments (and plastic ones too).
At my high school's band camp, one of the instructors was a professional trumpet player. Needless to say, he had a very nice horn. He bought one of these (silver-colored finish) to take outside with him so he wasn't marching with his professional horn. I think that's one of the best uses for these plastic instruments. Not only do you not have to worry about your instrument being injured, but when it's cold, you aren't playing on a cold horn.
Just don't use it for performances
He shouldve just bought a pre owned ytr 2335 or similar student horn
TangyGoatCheese I think plastic horns are actually great for marching. You won't ever get the same tone as with brass, but you don't have to worry about temperature or water damage. They're also lighter. I wouldn't recommend them for soloists or anything, but they're great for stands or pep band where you're in a close proximity with the next person.
I am a trumpet player and just loved this tutorial!!! I could certainly tell the difference with the metal mouthpiece!! This instrument would be very good for a beginning student!! (with a metal mouthpiece)....you are making me think about buying one and I already have 3 REAL ones.....lol
Saw a plastic trombone at a brass band Christmas event. And thought wow how does it keep it tune when it warms up.
6:00 is wen he play
Trent, I am so happy to announce that you have inspired me to get a soprano trombone xD it's so much fun and I owe it all to you
That's great to hear. I'm glad you like it :)
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Good video. As an adult, I bought one of these to use as a learning tool, and as such it is ideal - not too expensive, gives an idea of what playing a trumpet can be like, and has allowed me to get up and running. Mine had none of the defects mentioned in the video, but I guess they are fairly inconsistent when they roll off the production lines. I have yet to buy a proper trumpet, but went through a similar process with trombone, started on a pBone then bought a good quality metal instrument. Once that switch is made, there is no going back, and I expect the same for the trumpet. It was heartening to hear that even an accomplished player considered it difficult to play, so my reasoning for now is that if I can make a plastic trumpet sound good, it bodes well when I eventually get a good instrument.
Thank you Trent for showing me the plastic trumpet I was interested in purchasing one but seeing what you have shown me, I would have too much of a problem playing this instrument since I am recovering from a stroke and can't produce the amount of air needed that had to produce when I played using my standard silver King trumpet.
Trent, I enjoy your videos and I have learned a lot from them. This video is one of many I watched as I researched the next trumpet I would buy, and based on a preponderance of positive reviews I bought a Tromba trumpet in August and I love it. I am now playing in an orchestra and a band and a brass quintet. Last week, the director of the quintet, who plays a brass trumpet said he is a traditionalist and isn't sure about the plastic horns but that mine sounds pretty good.
I use metal mouthpieces with mine, usually to Connstellation mouthpiece I used in high school. I have never had a leak at the mouthpiece.
I very rarely need to oil the valves and find them just right to use using the springs that were installed when I received it.
I am playing notes on the Tromba that are higher than I ever reached on any other horn and I can get to lower notes than I ever have before.
I was born with spina bifida, have suffered several neck injuries and have several bad disks in my back, and have had my right shoulder injured several times. Holding a metal trumpet for more than a few minutes would be very painful. The light weight of the Tromba is a huge benefit to me.
Hi Mark, thanks for your comment and the time you took to write :) Much appreciated.
Question: Since it's "more difficult to play", would it be a good practice-instrument to improve technique? And then it will be much easier for a beginner to move to a metal trumpet later?
As I've mentioned earlier, my prime instrument is a Benge 8z cornet (velvet) and I have a Tromba trumpet and cornet (canvas), though I use a Denis Wick 2 on the latter and a Bach 1C mouthpiece on the former.
I teach young kids and we also march around and I also use the Trombas as travel horns and even at jam sessions sometimes, though I don't think I'd record with them.
The critical difference in terms of control, playing ease and intonation is, as you say to use a quality metal mouthpiece and, as you also say, as beginning or supplemental "knock-around" horns I think they do a good job.
Glad to see an intellectually honest review for once. I get so tired of people very famous people blowing sunshine up our rears about these! People make these sound like the Messiah of trumpets rendered in plastic shaped like a trumpet! Glad the price has come down all of these plastic trumpets had a much higher price tag while I was in High School which I thought was insane! Especially when Warburton started selling them! Could you imagine a plastic Tuba???LOL I also hear you can not use industry standard valve oils on many of these plastic trumpets.
You make it sound so good. I got the Lade, and am working on the scales now. It's all brass, and the only problem I have is the quick collection of spittal, and use the spit key often to blow it out.
Here's the next two you should do:
Cool Wind CPT-200 Plastic Bb/A Piccolo Trumpet and the Tromba TF-BL Pro Professional Plastic Bb Flugelhorn
I was so incredibly happy to get my Bach Strad back after playing one of these for a few years!! The Tromba is very difficult to play comparably. Not very efficient.
I own one of these in bright metallic blue and silver finish as a kind of fun colorful side instrument,etc. Of course I use my metal mouthpiece on it and actually played it on a tune in a show I was doing in Las Vegas. Also it helps to play the mouthpiece you're used to of course, yes the plastic mouthpieces it comes with kind of suck,heh. Playing mine tho It was in tune and played fine. It takes your favorite valve oil and slide grease. Mine doesn't leak, neither water nor air. My only peeve was originally they had sent me a red one which I had broken one of the little pegs on the top of the 1st valve casing. Had to carefully super glue it back on and be careful not to engage taking the valve in/out too often/much. I was able to turn it in to the company at a music trade show which they had already sent me the new blue one,etc. This is a fun alternative I think for young students in elementary school band and of course for guys like me who like to have fun on stage,etc. :)
Why do you have your second joint of your finger on the buttons? Shouldn't it be the tips of your fingers atop the buttons instead?
Do you think you could do more videos on the Euphonium? I play that and I rarely see any videos on TH-cam about them
I wish I had seen this before I ordered a plastic flugelhorn, I used to play with a local fanfare where I hired my metal flugelhorn. But I quit because of moving and I thought I'd buy a plastic flugelhorn to be able to play a bit to retain the skill. It hasn't yet arrived but I hope I made the correct choice.
ive been playing trumpet for about 7 years and over that time countless amounts of trumpet pros have seen me play with my fingers being stiff and that pressing down on the valves is a more professional way and the correct way of playing it, This mans is playing the trumpet really well but pressing down on the valves would not only look better, it would increase the speed and articulation of the notes. all in all it sounds great for a plastic trumpet i personally use a standard Bb bach all brass body and titanium valves with a gold plated 7C mouthpiece, works and sounds great
You mention this is better than a similarly priced metal instrument.
I honestly don't have anything to compare to, but a few years ago I picked up an eTude brand trumpet for about $100 US (maybe an ETR-100, not sure how to check). It's been a very good instrument, and the only "problem" I can notice is maybe that the 3rd valve tuning slide is kind of wobbly if you try to wobble it. It's not noticable to me while playing though
Maybe the softer springs will work better once the valves have broken in?
A good, and no doubt accurate review. Have you tried a Kelly plastic mouthpiece? They describe them as "lexan", mostly because of the negative connotations of the word "plastic", I guess.
To me, they play like a metal mouthpiece, except they don't start out feeling cold, or get hot. My only criticism is that they don't make enough different sizes - I'd buy more, if they did. Their 7C cornet and trumpet mouthpieces are good, IMHO.
The mouthpiece that comes with Tromba instruments, is shit, yes. As I also attempt clarinet and sax playing, I never expect the mouthpiece that comes with anything to be of any use though.
The rest of the instrument is a bit better, but still compromised by questionable design and manufacturing processes.
I have the Tromba plastic cornet. I haven't noticed a leak around the mouthpiece, but I don't use the stock mouthpiece - I've mostly used a Kelly 7C with it. The main spit valve drips constantly, which has the advantage that it never needs emptying, but must also be throwing out some of the notes.
The lower end of the scale is a bit buzzy and weak sounding, to me. The worst problem is the intonation - if third space C is in tune, second line G is very flat, for example.
I noticed the join where the bell section starts on mine has white foaming polyurethane (or similar) glue, protruding into the bore. I made a tool with a diamond chip glass cutter on a length of tubing, to grind it out a bit, which seemed to help, but not enough. My guess is that the other joins are the same - restrictions in the bore due to expanding foam glue, throwing out the intonation.
If you look up the effect of a dent which narrows the bore, on a brass instrument, you'll find that it throws out the intonation of notes that have a pressure node at that point - the note plays higher or lower than it should.
The other big irritation is that third slide barely slides - it keeps catching, and has to be forced to move. If it had been built with a metal sheath, like the valves, that wouldn't happen.
I'm inclined to think there's no reason why a plastic brass instrument can't work well, though some moving parts probably can't be plastic - at least they had the sense to use metal liners on the valve pistons, on these. It's just that no one has yet pulled it off, convincingly, as far as I know.
I've wondered if the PlayLite euphonium is any better. I've never played a Euph, but I do sometimes play a tenor horn (aka Eb alto horn). They're not supposed to have slides you move while playing, so that's one less thing to get right.
I bought pTrumpet not Tromba, and there was problem with sticky valves. Valves were from plastic and the water inside trumpet was stopping them from going back up. How is it with Tromba? Is it the same problem?
I am just subscribing because you sound talented and I figure hey this guy deserves to be TH-cam Famous.
I suppose it is intended for children's/school bands where parents may not want to buy a good bit of brass while there is still a good chance it won't be cared for very well. I can see myself obtaining a couple of them for a junior cadet band to use as a training instrument before letting them loose on a good bit of brass.
Would using a Kelly plastic mouthpiece be any better? They're made of a polycarbonate, I believe.
The metal mouthpiece made a pretty obvious difference to me. This guy does good reviews from what I've seen, he gives the sort of advice that actually helps you make informed decisions on this sort of thing.
Would you be able to do a review on a tiger tuba or Euphonium?
perhaps could trim - cut - the bigger spring to get one that works for you?
With the plastic mouthpiece. The sound from the trumpet sounded pretty "plastickykkykyky" But with the metal one sounds way more brighter and better
i recently examined one of these and they are a plastic version of a mid 60s conn director. . if you cruise ebay you can buy a good shape conn director trumpet or cornet for about the same money as this plastic knock off sells for. i agree this horn has it's place like in cold climates . they stay in tune in about any weather. they may be a one or two year wonder throw away horn. it does not take much damage to a brass horn to exceed $180 in serious repairs from marching field accidents
The video starts at 0:01
I'm sure it starts on 0:00
Oh I started it at 0:02
Thanks man i woulda been lost without you
No it starts at 12:06
Nah fam it starts at 12:06
It actually sounded better than i had previously thought!
Love how it took him literally half the video to start playing the instrument
You should review the tiger plastic trombone with the F attachment
What's the time signature with variation four? I'm trying to transcribe it, but I can't get it right. I know it doesn't show a difference, but the notes shown don't fit, or I'm not seeing a certain rhythm dot or something..
I am considering buying a plastic trumpet to mess around with (I am a trombone player) would you recommend to do so? btw love your videos Trent
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Hi, You'd probably be better served by spending the same amount of money on a reputable 2nd hand brass trumpet that's in decent condition. Thanks for your comment :)
Trent Hamilton thank you for your advice
Trent Hamilton don't you dare go to the dark side my friend
The metal mouthpiece definitely sounds better, and for that low a price, seems like an obvious addition to get with this when such is appropriate (unless they already have a better metal mouthpiece, of course).
It seems the mouthpiece is the most important thing. Some trumpet academic did a video about making your own trumpet out of a hose for fun, and it sounded significantly better when he used a real trumpet mouthpiece.
I really hate these things. They feel and sound like toys. Maybe that is their intended purpose...
most likely for kids who don't know if they really like the instrument yet.
_If you let those kids borrow your cell phone, but only if it's inside a protective case, then you just might, want to spring for one of these trumpets instead!_
~semi-Larry The Cable Guy impression
Austin Benesh Fischer Price all the way. lol,
Hey I want to ask a question I have a trumpet by the company Atude it is a beginner trumpet and some notes like G or F I cannot get to sound perfectly that note is supposed to sell high but when I do it it sounds very low.
3:26 Ik this man ain’t just say K Y jelly did y’all catch that
he sure id say KY Jelly, OMG i was lmao
This guy just said they lubed the instrument with KY 😂
my god i was lmao when he said it
Getting funky in here
I'm a trumpet player myself and the reason your fingers are so fatigued is because they are flat when you press down on the valves
You should review the tiger plastic trigger trombone. Is seems like a great option, but I'm skeptical.
I would like to see your review of the pinstruments new hy Tech pTrumpet which claims to be as good as a conventional trumpet.
Can you review a plastic euphonium (or any other euphonium under $500 us dollars). I was thinking about buying a cheap euph and wanted to know if it was worth the cheap price. (but in the sole purpose of fun and not professional use).
Any tips for a low brass player going over to a trumpet
plastic trumpet really can be a good choice for marching band, young beginners even for an experienced performer as a spare. there is one brand made pretty good.
Fantastic trumpeter Master Trent Hamilton.
I've been wanting one because of the color,I see them at Easy Music in Honolulu. I once had a student Model,but my instrument is drums.
Hello Trent, I just saw your video and well, you left me thinking now. I do own a Stradivarius model 37 but a plastic trumpet is something I've been thinking about buying just to say...I have one, lol. However, I would like to buy the best plastic horn possible produced. I wasn't too impressed with some of the negatives you mentioned for the Trompa review and my question is, have you reviewed others such as the Allora, Tiger Plastic, Pbone. Which one would you say out of the many out there which I think i've mentioned probably the better ones in the market, which one would you agree or recommend.
If I increase my mouth piece from 5 to 7 do you think it'd be easier to play my selmer bundy? I'm a noob and can only play c to c but abc I really have to take another breath to blow the notes
I broke my trumpet from my 3rd valve tuning slide cracking and the 2 nd valve is so stuck that it isn't going to come out ever
you are one of the few people to denounce this instrument. most others seem to be paid to compliment the intunation and clarity
Hi! How is the control and intonation compared to the standard brass trumpet?
I'm starting band so earned a sub any ideas on how to get ready without trumpet because I want to be chosen for trumpet.
Start by improving your use of syntax and semantics. Punctuation will help you be taken more seriously. Honest. Not busting your chops.
Hi Trent! Great upload again. Cheers from a fan in Holland. On another note (pun intended) have you (has anyone here) ever heard of W. Van WIjk trumpet manufacturer from Vlijmen (the Netherlands). I happen to have a trumpet trom that maker (valves not too smooth) but still: seen that there is so little information to be found on this brand, I thought anyone here would have a clue? Cheers!
Hi, thanks for your comment. No, I haven't heard of that maker.
I think the mouthpiece did make a difference. Gave it just a bit more "attack". Quite interesting to hear the recording with and without the brass.
I play the French Horn and the Mellophone, but I want to learn to play the trumpet. Most of the fingerings are the same, and it would be cool to learn. Great Video!!!
Well honestly, what would you expect. Tromba is a 3rd party manufacturer with low reviews everywhere i've seen, typically 3 stars or less. Despite that though you earned a subscriber because i love your videos i checked a few out before this one and liked them quite alot. I'm a trumpet player and enjoy your videos, great work and keep it up!
I have a question just out of curiosity when you we're in you're highschool band did you try out for drum major ?/I loved to know. I ask this because I myself am both a trombonist and the senior drum major at my high school band. Love your videos and keep up the good work.
In New Zealand we don't have any high school marching bands that I know of. The position of Drum Major therefore doesn't exist.
Wow learn something new everyday. Thanks for the info man. ☺
im in a concert band but we have a 'drum major'
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Since you are the drum major of your high school marching band, be sure to recommend Trent Hamilton to your brass players, especially low brass players if they have any questions that you or your their band director can;t answer! He can be a help at times when a band director and drum major can't; especially when they're busy with other things but remember to tell them that Trent is busy once in a while too, So tell them to be nice!!!and be nice to them too! Thanks! Make sure you get the band director permission too because we know how rude a HS band director can be if they're getting old or aren't in complete control of everything I had a band director too when I was in high school way back in the 1990's
Also recommend they take the time to watch every video he has created but only after all their homework instrument practice is completed!
Have you tried the second version of these trumpets, ptrumpet 2.0 ?
The real choice is a plastic trumpet versus a Mendini, and my son started on a $110 Mendini, which we gave to a neighbor recently. It was not awful, but it's obviously not a Bach Strad.