In the gaiden series, Reinhard talks to kircheis how stupid are the aliance's forces for not realising that iserlonh can be taken without any casualties. And then, Yang appears 😅
Hilariously, one of the Gaiden did point that out when Ashby decided to go for Battleship rather than something like Iserlohn. Especially when his death (a fragment caused by a hit to the battleship no less) that led to the end of the major offensive into that area after that pronouncement made the "Battleship" a bad idea in retrospective.
Far better. For one thing, this is a Fleet-killer, not a planet killer. I'll take a weapon that can destroy tens of thousands of ships in one shot over a weapon that can destroy a planet in one shot any day. Not to mention how much more defensible this space fortress is compared to the Death Star.
Impossible Youth to some people, retreating is like a coward fleeing from the battlefield. Even if the admiral returned home safely to his homeland, there is a high chance that he would be courtmartialled for his failures and his family would suffer greatly due to his supposed cowardice. At least, to him, a battle to the end even if it means his death is still more valiant and heroic than retreating like a coward.
@@aaronlimeuchin7352 except that they'd be alive to fight another day. logh likes to stress how a "noble" charge to your deaths is a pretty stupid thing to do since you're just throwing lives away for your "honor" when it would be far more "honorable" to retreat so you can have another shot at beating them. this is one of the ways it shows reinhard is a good ruler since he prioritizes this mindset over punishing someone just for cutting their losses when it was clear they couldn't win. yang himself runs away against kircheis so he can have another chance at beating the empire
@@christianalbertjahns2577 for one thing, his distaste for everything related to the empire could be a sign. its clear to everyone that he's trying to make reinhard into another rudolph! especially now that zieg is dead! the other is that vague message the earth cult bishop said!
"The original was so much better." I wish I could see just one of these comments sections that doesn't have some variation of that. If you prefer the original, then go watch it. Why are you even here?
in the old version, rear Admiral YANG, Wen-Li acutally gone furious after the imperial commander and order the fire of laser to "blass that son of a bia-tch down to nothing", because after he ask they guy to either surrender or flee, the guy went on and on about he is a man of honor and he will die fighting gloriously and stuff, he later explain his anger to his peers telling them that he's mad at such dumbass because due to their honor, his fleet have to go down with it, and due to "clowns like this" there is unending war in the history of mankind, he further concludes that he cannot stand leading figures who sacrifice everything for glory and honor and does not regard the preciousness of human life especially life of his sub oridnant
死に際に「皇帝陛下万歳」と叫ばなかったの？ 素晴らしいシーンだったのに。。。 He didn’t shout ”Glory be to His Majesty the Emperor!” in his last moments,did he? although it was wonderful scene....
This series really painted a good picture of how stupid and infantile the aristocracy was and still are. This show was pure satire. The incompetent holds all the power while the ones with reason and common sense have none.
That is how the aristocracy especially the higher ranking ones generally behave. They believe that power is theirs by birth right instead meritocracy. Positions are given based on family and political background instead of skills and abilities. Yang Wenlin is able to capture Iserlohn without fighting at all and that demonstrates his skill and ability. Yang allows the Galactic fleet to flee as they are stuck between a rock and hard place. Behind them is a fleet of Free Planets Alliance and Iserlohn with its fully charged cannon in front. However, the Galactic fleet commander Seeckt chooses to fight for his personal pride and honor and ignores the lives of men serving under him. Yang orders the cannon be targeted at Seeckt's flagship to spare the lives of the rest of the Galactic fleet. As a result only a handful are destroyed leaving the rest intact and later flees. Only a true leader will never sacrifice his subordinates for personal pride, honor and self interest.
@@DIEGhostfish The Free Planets Alliance has already taken thousands of Imperial soldiers remained at Iserlohn as POWs. They most likely lacked sufficient resources as well as manpower to keep thousands more. Iserlohn is already a great spoil of war for the Free Planets Alliance. By letting the enemy to leave in peace, they help to spread the news that a supposed impregnable fortress has fallen so easily and without a fight. This news will help to demoralize the Galactic Empire. Therefore it is practical not to demand surrender and letting them to leave in peace.
As far as the Empire is concerned, it is a rebellion that lasted over 150 years. So to quote Marritza from Star Trek DS9, "How could there be war crimes, when there wasn't any war?"
Pretty sure the Geneva convention doesn't apply in this future. Besides, the Alliance is desperate and it's not like what they did was especially heinous. They didn't use gas or torture, and frankly given the fact that their opponents are space fascists I can't blame them for fighting dirty to beat them.
"Ich komme aus Iserlohn. Das ist der Name einer deutschen Stadt." Ja, ich weiß es. Der Autor der die originale Geschichte geschrieben hat, hat früher die Herkunft erwähnt. Übrigens, in Japan gibts eine deutsche Sprachschule, das heißt auch Iserlohn lol
I dislike the modern anime trend of making caricatures of unimportant background bad guy characters. It just seems to lessen the realism. In the OVA series, that Imperial Admiral looked like a well-dressed noble, and it was his completely stupid military maneuvers and narcissistic desire to have his entire fleet die "gloriously" when faced with personal dishonour that truly showed us the crumbling and decrepit nature of the Goldenbaum Dynasty. From the outside, he was a polished and decorated Imperial Admiral. But on the inside, a rotting corpse. A perfect microcosm of the Dynasty itself. In the new adaptation, all I see is an overfed school bully doing what school bullies do when looking down the barrel of a gun. The whole thing seemed like a joke, and lessened the realism IMO, which hurts for a series that was built on story that's basically a history documentry of a far future conflict (relative to us) by people even further in the future.
Seeckt knows that he will most likely be branded as a coward who run away from the battle if he withdraws his fleet. He will most likely be court martialed and lose all the privileges. His family will bear the shame of his 'cowardice'. By getting KIA on the battle, his death can be glorified as a last stand against 'the rebels' and the possibility of being honored posthumously as a hero of the Galactic Empire. It also demonstrates his selfishness as he is willing to bring those under him to their death in the name of honor. That's why Yang Wen Lin ordered only the flag ship to be destroyed which resulted some collateral damages to some surrounding ships while leaving the rest is intact.
Same. The animation and the space stuff is pretty and all that but where are the incredible expressions or the emoting? Yang doesn't have that loveable hangdog-hapless look, more like a wooden board here.
@@Apollo-tj1vm The core of many of the designs is the same, but much of what the designs great has been lost with the visual update. Take the character designs for example; Schenkopp has gone from a middle-aged, grizzled veteran who perfectly fits the bill of the leader of the ruthless and incontrollable Rosenritter, to some pretty boy who looks fresh out of Basic Training. Greenhill looks less like a hard-working adjutant, and more like a member of a sorority. Seeckt's design has completely changed. The Thor Hammer has gone from a group of eight turrets working in conjunction, to a single (and in my opinion, less cool looking) turret. And some of the uniforms very much have changed; the Imperial communications officer on Seeckt's ship is a good example of this. I could write an essay here, but I think you get what I am saying.
How I miss the Brazilian version of Animax! Cursed be the day when Sony Latin America took out the Animax just to rebranded as "Sony Spin" -- a incredibly boring channel choke-full of teenager trash.
I really, really, really dislike this remake. It's like, yeah, this is all cool, war is nice and yang wenlis is a complete badass But honestly, just this small outbreak of anger wenli got in the original just touches me everytime. Here he just repeats a line from the message "the heart of a warrior?" In the original, he clenche his fists and angrily declares that because of people like this imperial admiral there still isn't any peace. Wenli doesn't want to kill people, he never wanted. So much in the new show gets cut out for action and cool battles and badass characters. But if i wanted that i could easily watch any other Shonen, and that's probably the reason too why the new thesis isn't really popular. I want to see one of the greatest and most interesting space operas of all times, not some spacey laser battle anime with badass characters
The first thing I'll say is you're being incredibly patronizing to the show runners. But on to the point. I agree that they've flattened yang's character out a bit to much. Personally I love the books. More so than in any adaption yang comes off as a fully realized person in them. Hes a sassy guy who isnt afraid to give lip to commanders. He loses his cool sometimes. However despite that you're really ignoring the good this show does as well. For one the translation and dialogue sounds more human than the original show (even if that is a low mark to reach) and it added back in some scenes, such as Yang's character defining reaction to job trunicht's memorial speech.
@@anenemystand5582 neither show seems to have portrayed yang's true character completely. for example, you get to realize that he's actually really afraid of job trunhit because of how job seems to have hitler's luck for getting out of any bad situation and entering a good one. there's also some other inner thoughts that could've at least been hinted such as how yang was constantly doubting himself way back when he beat the class favorite in a battle simulation at the academy.
@@anenemystand5582 ill just mention that as someone who never saw or heard about the original LOGH before seeing Die Neue Thesis, I do rather enjoy how DNT portrays yang. Theres a lingering sense of tiredness that permeates pretty much everything about him from how he sits and talks and even a bit in how he moves, and coupled with this odd sense of understanding people but having difficulty handling them so to speak paints a good contrast between him and reinhard. yangs coolheaded and experienced but has difficulties inspiring confidence and loyalty from people, well reinhards a master of inspiring confidence and loyalty from others but hotheaded and relatively fresh. not to say that any one depiction is the best persay, i suspect they all appeal to different people in different ways. i just found myself enjoying DNTs take on the two. enough so to learn more about LOGH in any case.
This being my first experience of this universe, i find it pretty good. Tho reinhardt is boring so far. And i dont know if its a fail from this particular adaptation, but i find alliance characters to be so much more likeable and interesting. With the exeption of oberstein, kircheis and merkatz on the imperial side. And i feel reuenthal and mittermeyer should devellop, but so far, they are not interesting at all. With all of this in mind, i am far more rooting for yang, while im sure i should normally root for both sides.
I'm sorry but I really can't see myself enjoying the reboot more than the original, and that I am certainly glad I went with the OVAs instead of the new. They fail to recapture the vital aspects of what made the OVA series exemplary let alone improve upon them, stripped down essential details and things have gone a little disproportionate. Only the effects and animation stand out, but I also cannot include the sound track as it was just fine in the OVAs if not better at times (except for the first OP of this reboot, "Binary" was actually excellent). If anything, the reboot is good for those still new to anime and are particularly looking for sci-fi. However, LOFGH's greatest aspect is how it displays politics and what war significantly does to the surrounding characters and how there's the color of grey rather than black and white.
The remake is still and tbe beginning, you're comparing an animes that have 110 epi (that maybe you watched them all at once) and his remake that included only 1/4 of the story, the original ova is good but i can imagine that the remake will adapt the important parts better,
In the gaiden series, Reinhard talks to kircheis how stupid are the aliance's forces for not realising that iserlonh can be taken without any casualties. And then, Yang appears 😅
That weapon is a better investment than the death star.
Hilariously, one of the Gaiden did point that out when Ashby decided to go for Battleship rather than something like Iserlohn.
Especially when his death (a fragment caused by a hit to the battleship no less) that led to the end of the major offensive into that area after that pronouncement made the "Battleship" a bad idea in retrospective.
Thrawn definitely love this Series than what Disney made 😂 thrawn definitely not agree with Palpatine Bigger is better logic 😅
Far better. For one thing, this is a Fleet-killer, not a planet killer. I'll take a weapon that can destroy tens of thousands of ships in one shot over a weapon that can destroy a planet in one shot any day. Not to mention how much more defensible this space fortress is compared to the Death Star.
@Ral Megalen The Artemis necklace
@Ral Megalen *Heinessen
Admiral with empty head😡
According to novel, his subordents were happy when Yang asked him to withdraw
Impossible Youth to some people, retreating is like a coward fleeing from the battlefield. Even if the admiral returned home safely to his homeland, there is a high chance that he would be courtmartialled for his failures and his family would suffer greatly due to his supposed cowardice. At least, to him, a battle to the end even if it means his death is still more valiant and heroic than retreating like a coward.
@@aaronlimeuchin7352 He could always order retrat and commit suicide using blaster, just like Merkatz wanted to do.
@@aaronlimeuchin7352 except that they'd be alive to fight another day. logh likes to stress how a "noble" charge to your deaths is a pretty stupid thing to do since you're just throwing lives away for your "honor" when it would be far more "honorable" to retreat so you can have another shot at beating them. this is one of the ways it shows reinhard is a good ruler since he prioritizes this mindset over punishing someone just for cutting their losses when it was clear they couldn't win. yang himself runs away against kircheis so he can have another chance at beating the empire
7 Fleet attempts and Yang took it with a few good men
He has the services of Commodore Twenty Goodmen.
Rear Admiral Yang has been found worthy
As always
I just remember the canon is actually called thor's hammer
富山敬さんの、逆鱗に触れたかのような演技も好きですが、今期の静かに怒りを露わにする演技も良い。
今のところ、今期のヤンは一貫して感情を面に出さないように演じているように感じます。
Oberstein: Idiot...by fleeing will there be a chance at revenge.
😂😂😂 fvck oberstein
i got a nasty feeling that he's at least a spy for rubinsky!
@@keronstewart9446 what makes you think that Oberstein is Rubinsky's spy?
@@christianalbertjahns2577
for one thing, his distaste for everything related to the empire could be a sign. its clear to everyone that he's trying to make reinhard into another rudolph! especially now that zieg is dead! the other is that vague message the earth cult bishop said!
@@keronstewart9446 I'll take it you never watch the original (1980s OVA) because if you did, you won't make such a nonsensical comment
"The original was so much better."
I wish I could see just one of these comments sections that doesn't have some variation of that.
If you prefer the original, then go watch it. Why are you even here?
I agree with you
in the original the admiral died gloriously screaming the glory of his emperor rather than looking slack jawed at a giant laser pointer like a moron
Well he is a moron, so this is fitting.
@@billsykes2977 agreed,he volunteered all those people to die for nothing, fuck em he doesn't get to go out looking heroic
@@eduardovillagomez3675 no, that’s stupid, and far less interesting. Do you understand drama at all?
@@reginaldforthright805 this is a perfect end to a tragedy of a general.
@@notavailable6460 He dragged his soldiers down with him. So no he's an asshole
ゼークト大将の「武人の心」が果たしてどれほどの軍人を犬死にさせてしまったのか…
せっかく逃げろと言われたのに、哀しくなるばかりです
「武士道」を彷彿とさせます
@@ninototo1 息を吐くように日本を侮辱しないと生きていられないんだね。可哀そうに。
実在したゼークトはもっと知的な印象だけどモデルは大日本帝国軍人の玉砕戦法だからなあ😥
このまま逃げてもゼークト大将とその部下達は責任をイゼルローン要塞を同盟軍に明け渡した責任を取らされることになるんじゃないですかね、それくらいなら一矢報いてやろう！とでもなるんじゃないですかね？
in the old version, rear Admiral YANG, Wen-Li acutally gone furious after the imperial commander and order the fire of laser
to "blass that son of a bia-tch down to nothing", because after he ask they guy to either surrender or flee, the guy went on and on about he is a man of honor and he will die fighting gloriously and stuff, he later explain his anger to his peers telling them that
he's mad at such dumbass because due to their honor, his fleet have to go down with it, and due to "clowns like this" there is unending war in the history of mankind, he further concludes that he cannot stand leading figures who sacrifice everything for glory and honor and does not regard the preciousness of human life especially life of his sub oridnant
「いいかいユリアン、ものごとに優劣を付けるなんて無意味なことなんだ。『どっちが良いか』ではなく、『どっちが好きか』。それだけのことなんだよ。」
好きなのは他より優れてるから。
@@madannoshasyu
「ところでユリアン、おまえ結局のところ、キャゼルヌの娘とシェーンコップの娘。どっちが好きなんだ？」
「突然何を言い出すんですかっ！？」
「じゃあ、カリンとシャルロット。どっちが優れてると思う？」
「…そんなの、分かりませんよ」
「そうだろう？ つまりは、そういうことさ」
好きか嫌いかは優劣だしな。どっちか分からないなんてのはただの責任逃れ。怖くて答えられないだけ。
@@madannoshasyu
「いいか、ウェンリー。偉人なら一度の忠告で反省する。凡人なら二度繰り返して諫めれば、まずあらためる。出来の悪い奴は三度も言われれば考え直す。それでも態度を変えないような奴は、見放してよろしい」
「四度目の忠告はしなくていいの？」
「四度になればな、追放されるか投獄されるか、あるいは殺されるからだ。暗君という奴はそういうものだ。だから四度目の忠告は自分自身に害をおよぼすだけでなく、相手によけいな罪業をかさねさせることになり、だれのためにもならない」
@@teukleides5452 アニメの言う事が絶対だと思い込んでいる愚か者（笑）
ヤンがゼークトに送った通信文の表現、もう少し配慮していたら違った展開だったかもね。
余計に意固地にならせるような文章だよ。
将兵を救うために武人として英断をお願いしたい
とでも言えばだいぶ違ったかも？
ヤンが「こんな奴らがいるから戦争が絶えないんだ！」と怒気を露わにして言うから
民主主義と専制君主制との温度差が出て良かったのに。
ten Tungs あんなに感情的になったヤンは見た事がない。
堅い信念を否定するヤンの堅い信念…
旧20世紀OVA版ではもっと怒りを露にしていました。
だったら構わず殲滅すればいいだけの話。
そしてそれをさらに第三者が見れば、「こんな奴がいるから戦争が…」だな。
死に際に「皇帝陛下万歳」と叫ばなかったの？
素晴らしいシーンだったのに。。。
He didn’t shout ”Glory be to His Majesty the Emperor!” in his last moments,did he?
although it was wonderful scene....
あ、帝国万歳かも。
He may have shouted “Glory be to the Empire”.
このセリフも省いてはいけませんね。
ゼークト大将が好きかどうか、正しいかどうかはともかくもして、帝国万歳を叫んで散った激烈な猛将を、こんな小物の死に方のシーンにされて貶められるのは違うと思う。ヤンやその幕僚が悪く言うだけで充分だろうに。
ゼークト提督の断末魔「帝国万歳！」は、再現して欲しかったかな。
ノイエは原作小説の再アニメ化であってOVAのリメイクじゃないんで
実際原作では叫んだかどうかは明らかにされていないから、別に叫ばなくともよかったのでは
実際原作には「ゼークト大将は死の直前、『皇帝陛下万歳』とでも叫んだのだろうか」としか書かれていないし
断末魔がないことで新しい解釈もできるぞ
旧作のゼークトは「帝国万歳」なんて叫んで、最期までヤンが忌み嫌った戦争が絶えない理由である「こんな奴」のまま死んでいった
だけど、ノイエのゼークトはイゼルローンの破壊力を前に圧倒されて声も出ないまま吹き飛んだ
多分ここでゼークトは自分がどれほど恐ろしいことを命じてしまったのか自覚したんだと思う
武人の名誉だとかいう矜持も吹き飛んで、ただただ死ぬのを恐れることしかできずに消滅したノイエ版ゼークトは、果たしてヤンが大嫌いな「こんな奴」のまま死んだのかな？
多分そうじゃないと思う
@@寝-y7qこっちのゼークトは最後の最後で自分のやらかしを突きつけられて死んだようなもんだよな
その解釈なら、ノイエ版は石黒版と違ってヤンはゼークトに戦争ってのがなんなのかきっちり自覚させてから吹き飛ばしたってことにもできる
This series really painted a good picture of how stupid and infantile the aristocracy was and still are. This show was pure satire. The incompetent holds all the power while the ones with reason and common sense have none.
That is how the aristocracy especially the higher ranking ones generally behave. They believe that power is theirs by birth right instead meritocracy. Positions are given based on family and political background instead of skills and abilities. Yang Wenlin is able to capture Iserlohn without fighting at all and that demonstrates his skill and ability. Yang allows the Galactic fleet to flee as they are stuck between a rock and hard place. Behind them is a fleet of Free Planets Alliance and Iserlohn with its fully charged cannon in front. However, the Galactic fleet commander Seeckt chooses to fight for his personal pride and honor and ignores the lives of men serving under him. Yang orders the cannon be targeted at Seeckt's flagship to spare the lives of the rest of the Galactic fleet. As a result only a handful are destroyed leaving the rest intact and later flees. Only a true leader will never sacrifice his subordinates for personal pride, honor and self interest.
@@MrLantean Handing that much Materiel back to the enemy rather than demanding surrender and repatriating POWs is a mistake.
@@DIEGhostfish The Free Planets Alliance has already taken thousands of Imperial soldiers remained at Iserlohn as POWs. They most likely lacked sufficient resources as well as manpower to keep thousands more. Iserlohn is already a great spoil of war for the Free Planets Alliance. By letting the enemy to leave in peace, they help to spread the news that a supposed impregnable fortress has fallen so easily and without a fight. This news will help to demoralize the Galactic Empire. Therefore it is practical not to demand surrender and letting them to leave in peace.
@@MrLantean But an entire fleet that can and WILL be turned against them in the future?
The Democracy is also incompetant
why is no one talking about how they committed perfidy? using a captured enemy ship pretending to be injured is an ilegal war crime
As far as the Empire is concerned, it is a rebellion that lasted over 150 years. So to quote Marritza from Star Trek DS9, "How could there be war crimes, when there wasn't any war?"
absboodoo from the empire side that would make sense, but isnt the alliance supposed to be morally better or whatever?
@@Prikense Well maybe they were, but they certenly are not.
Pretty sure the Geneva convention doesn't apply in this future. Besides, the Alliance is desperate and it's not like what they did was especially heinous. They didn't use gas or torture, and frankly given the fact that their opponents are space fascists I can't blame them for fighting dirty to beat them.
@@zqfmgb4335 ah, yes, the geneva suggestion lol
私はイーザーローンから来ました。これは町にドイツです。😄
銀河帝国のモチーフはドイツ帝国です
私はイゼルローンから来ました。これはドイツの町です。かな
原作者さんもドイツの町名から取ったって言ってたし
@@nideals4850 おお、ナイスです😆
"Ich komme aus Iserlohn. Das ist der Name einer deutschen Stadt." Ja, ich weiß es. Der Autor der die originale Geschichte geschrieben hat, hat früher die Herkunft erwähnt. Übrigens, in Japan gibts eine deutsche Sprachschule, das heißt auch Iserlohn lol
@@あんた背中が煤けてるぜ Eine Sprachschule mit dem Namen Iserlohn? Wenn ich mal nach Japan reise muss ich mir das anschauen wwwwwww
This Moment, when you really life in Iserlohn 😂😂✌🏽
富山敬さん演じたヤンウェンリーが伝説すぎてどうしようもない。
激しく同意。鈴村健一さんだと、アッテンボローみたいに聞こえる。
声が軽い
I dislike the modern anime trend of making caricatures of unimportant background bad guy characters. It just seems to lessen the realism.
In the OVA series, that Imperial Admiral looked like a well-dressed noble, and it was his completely stupid military maneuvers and narcissistic desire to have his entire fleet die "gloriously" when faced with personal dishonour that truly showed us the crumbling and decrepit nature of the Goldenbaum Dynasty. From the outside, he was a polished and decorated Imperial Admiral. But on the inside, a rotting corpse. A perfect microcosm of the Dynasty itself.
In the new adaptation, all I see is an overfed school bully doing what school bullies do when looking down the barrel of a gun. The whole thing seemed like a joke, and lessened the realism IMO, which hurts for a series that was built on story that's basically a history documentry of a far future conflict (relative to us) by people even further in the future.
Seeckt knows that he will most likely be branded as a coward who run away from the battle if he withdraws his fleet. He will most likely be court martialed and lose all the privileges. His family will bear the shame of his 'cowardice'. By getting KIA on the battle, his death can be glorified as a last stand against 'the rebels' and the possibility of being honored posthumously as a hero of the Galactic Empire. It also demonstrates his selfishness as he is willing to bring those under him to their death in the name of honor. That's why Yang Wen Lin ordered only the flag ship to be destroyed which resulted some collateral damages to some surrounding ships while leaving the rest is intact.
Oberstein just NOPE the F out of there lol.
Oberstein doesnt look like machiaveli, dislike.
My calculations show that nobody cares.
上のやつのプライドに振り回される下の兵士は可哀想だ
これは現実の戦争でもある事だね
I like the original OAV version better. In it, Yang is fucking pissed when he hear that answer.
Yeah and the final "long live the Empire" is missing, shame
Teitoku banzai!
まあゼークト提督も苦しい立場よな。
逃げたところで本国に帰れば極刑は免れないだろうし。
武人なら武人らしく一人で自決して、部下達は逃げるも降伏するも自由にしてやれば良かったんだよ
@@sitekitetudoueizousiryoukann 玉砕もね。
ヤンってサイコパスなのかなと思う事がある。逃げたきゃにげろと煽ったら、当然、特攻してくるでしょうよ。乃木大将みたいに敵に対しても礼節を持って接すればゼークト大将も退却したでしょうに、、、
後方の同盟艦隊を殲滅してから逃げれば助命はされたんじゃないかなぁって思うけど
@@アルフォート-i3j 反転攻勢をしようにも、トゥールハンマー有効射程内だから
同盟艦隊に向いたら後ろからズドン！。で。どの道、終わりです。
Underated too much.
なんでこんなにコメント欄荒れてるんですかね
それはねユリアン、今作がこの物語をを全く理解していないからさ。
@@hossan1210 信者うぜー
⬆みたいな懐古厨だらけだから
旧作
帝国バンザーイ！！！！！！
I actually like the classic version better
Same. The animation and the space stuff is pretty and all that but where are the incredible expressions or the emoting? Yang doesn't have that loveable hangdog-hapless look, more like a wooden board here.
@@Bloodyack True. The main characters seem to exist only to look pretty unlike the classic, and the ship designs of old seem more grounded.
They are literally using the same uniform and ship design... DNS is practically a visual update....
@@Apollo-tj1vm The core of many of the designs is the same, but much of what the designs great has been lost with the visual update. Take the character designs for example; Schenkopp has gone from a middle-aged, grizzled veteran who perfectly fits the bill of the leader of the ruthless and incontrollable Rosenritter, to some pretty boy who looks fresh out of Basic Training. Greenhill looks less like a hard-working adjutant, and more like a member of a sorority. Seeckt's design has completely changed.
The Thor Hammer has gone from a group of eight turrets working in conjunction, to a single (and in my opinion, less cool looking) turret. And some of the uniforms very much have changed; the Imperial communications officer on Seeckt's ship is a good example of this.
I could write an essay here, but I think you get what I am saying.
Cool
How I miss the Brazilian version of Animax! Cursed be the day when Sony Latin America took out the Animax just to rebranded as "Sony Spin" -- a incredibly boring channel choke-full of teenager trash.
民主主義の人間が専制君主の人間を理解するのは難しい
0:59
兵士の覚悟を決めた顔。
鈴村健一！大好き！
私の出番だな❗
I really, really, really dislike this remake.
It's like, yeah, this is all cool, war is nice and yang wenlis is a complete
badass
But honestly, just this small outbreak of anger wenli got in the original just touches me everytime. Here he just repeats a line from the message "the heart of a warrior?"
In the original, he clenche his fists and angrily declares that because of people like this imperial admiral there still isn't any peace. Wenli doesn't want to kill people, he never wanted. So much in the new show gets cut out for action and cool battles and badass characters.
But if i wanted that i could easily watch any other Shonen, and that's probably the reason too why the new thesis isn't really popular.
I want to see one of the greatest and most interesting space operas of all times, not some spacey laser battle anime with badass characters
The first thing I'll say is you're being incredibly patronizing to the show runners.
But on to the point. I agree that they've flattened yang's character out a bit to much. Personally I love the books. More so than in any adaption yang comes off as a fully realized person in them. Hes a sassy guy who isnt afraid to give lip to commanders. He loses his cool sometimes.
However despite that you're really ignoring the good this show does as well. For one the translation and dialogue sounds more human than the original show (even if that is a low mark to reach) and it added back in some scenes, such as Yang's character defining reaction to job trunicht's memorial speech.
@@anenemystand5582 neither show seems to have portrayed yang's true character completely. for example, you get to realize that he's actually really afraid of job trunhit because of how job seems to have hitler's luck for getting out of any bad situation and entering a good one.
there's also some other inner thoughts that could've at least been hinted such as how yang was constantly doubting himself way back when he beat the class favorite in a battle simulation at the academy.
@@Vapor817 yeah. Book yang is best yang.
@@anenemystand5582 ill just mention that as someone who never saw or heard about the original LOGH before seeing Die Neue Thesis, I do rather enjoy how DNT portrays yang. Theres a lingering sense of tiredness that permeates pretty much everything about him from how he sits and talks and even a bit in how he moves, and coupled with this odd sense of understanding people but having difficulty handling them so to speak paints a good contrast between him and reinhard.
yangs coolheaded and experienced but has difficulties inspiring confidence and loyalty from people, well reinhards a master of inspiring confidence and loyalty from others but hotheaded and relatively fresh.
not to say that any one depiction is the best persay, i suspect they all appeal to different people in different ways. i just found myself enjoying DNTs take on the two. enough so to learn more about LOGH in any case.
This being my first experience of this universe, i find it pretty good. Tho reinhardt is boring so far. And i dont know if its a fail from this particular adaptation, but i find alliance characters to be so much more likeable and interesting. With the exeption of oberstein, kircheis and merkatz on the imperial side. And i feel reuenthal and mittermeyer should devellop, but so far, they are not interesting at all. With all of this in mind, i am far more rooting for yang, while im sure i should normally root for both sides.
キャラデザは石黒版の方が好きですね。ゼークトも石黒版の方がただの無能というだけてはない雰囲気がありました。
DNT>OVA
The old version is so much better.
うん、まぁ、この時世の帝国だと帰還しても辱めと死刑が待ってるだけだろうから家族の事考えたらここで戦死が一番いい判断だろうね
こいつは「銀河英雄伝説」と呼べるものではありませんな。
同感です閣下。
このシーンは、降伏か「逃げろ」と相手に選択を迫る、ヤンの人柄を演出すべきでしょうが、全く無視しております。
また、「武人の心」という馬鹿げた発想に、珍しく怒りを露にする演出もされておりません。
この一事だけを見ても、やつらが万事、原作を全く理解できていないのがわかります。
製作スタッフに「降伏」を勧告したいですな！
富山敬さんの演技に勝るものは無い。
銀英伝によく似たアニメとして、これはこれとして楽しむしかないのでわ
@@hossan1210 信者うぜー
I'm sorry but I really can't see myself enjoying the reboot more than the original, and that I am certainly glad I went with the OVAs instead of the new. They fail to recapture the vital aspects of what made the OVA series exemplary let alone improve upon them, stripped down essential details and things have gone a little disproportionate. Only the effects and animation stand out, but I also cannot include the sound track as it was just fine in the OVAs if not better at times (except for the first OP of this reboot, "Binary" was actually excellent).
If anything, the reboot is good for those still new to anime and are particularly looking for sci-fi. However, LOFGH's greatest aspect is how it displays politics and what war significantly does to the surrounding characters and how there's the color of grey rather than black and white.
The remake is still and tbe beginning, you're comparing an animes that have 110 epi (that maybe you watched them all at once) and his remake that included only 1/4 of the story, the original ova is good but i can imagine that the remake will adapt the important parts better,
What if,
Soviet Union was the Kaiser,
And Nazi Germany is the Rebels
Bruh 😂
映像も良い、技術も構成も良い。
良いアニメだ。
但しもし、リメイクでないならば。
正しい目的で作られたものなら、良い技術も、良い映像も絶対必要と言う物ではない。この作品は、サイコパスを作った人も参画しているらしいから、その辺りの描写に優れるかも知れない。よく現実を理解しているから、あの作品も書けるのだろう。しかし、歴史を記す作品は人間を描写するものであり、それが目的とそれに伴う他者への約束である。人間は、もっと不愉快な存在だ。我々自身の鏡像だからだ。ある程度都心部に生きる人間ばかりが人間では無いことを、知らなければならないのでは無いか。
一種の合理的発想と言うものは、自身の鏡像に関する部分を省いて計算するものだ。その様な物の考えでは、残念ながら戦争を描くことはできない。今具体的に、その種の積極性を聞いているのではなく、その種の積極性がどの様な軌道を辿ったか、が歴史だ。
真偽を議論しているのではない、まず歴史と言う形式に立つ人間として、対等な立場としての約束を交わすのが目的だ。
形式を誤っている様に思う。
信用できる人間とは、相手の理解に努める人間だ。歴史上でもそうであっただろう。本作を作った人々の求めることは理解しているが、本来の目的は、それを知る相手へのもっとも基本的な、対等な立場としての約束だ。それを誤る様な間違いなんて珍しくもないが、他の部分が良いからこそ、勿体ないから、その点をわざわざ指摘しても良いかと思う。
The cannon animation was so much cooler in the original
Everything was. Modern anime sucks
music sounds cheap and synthesized and very repetitive :/ original series had better music
やっぱり初代をこえられなかったか
新作、これ以上続けても意味はない。
よーし全スタッフ、逃げろ！
懐古厨キモい
センスいい
俺は新作飲ん方が好きだよ
本当に「表情」が乏しいんだよな。この作品。
原作には「苦い怒り」ってあるから、この描写も間違えじゃないだろ。ってことで僕はどっちも好きです
It's Eastern Asian way, not European, even not Prussian.
銀河帝国万歳
もったいない
캐릭터 작화는 오리지널이 더 멋진 것 같습니다.
wow thor hammer looks like crap in this reboot. Here is how it looked in the old show: th-cam.com/video/BM4tPmy-cJo/w-d-xo.html
こんなものは銀英伝とは認められませんな、提督。
信者うぜー
懐古厨おって草
昔賛美して今叩けば通ぶれると思ってそう
😂😂