The main problem with most braids is wind knots though... would like to see a test on that, most of the advice is anecdotal... (I know you mentioned this limitation but I reckon we can come up with a way).
Hey Drew. Another awesome video! I think you should definitely do round two, but share more of the data on each of the braids. You should make a comparison chart so people can compare the best abrasion resistance vs the braid diameter/PE rating, strand count and price. This will also seperate thicker/lower strand braids to more finesse/higher strand braids. Would also love to see some cheap vs high-end braids tested like: Verivas, Diawa Saltiga and Toray. Either way, keep it up man!
Dont take the breaking strain or thickness of any berkley line for a bar of soap 🤦♂️ this 9x braid might be a different story but it doesn’t take a scientist to figure out that it isnt what it says it is. Really good video and very interesting results. I would love to see you test out some of the higher quality braids like varivas and tas line and see how they hold up. But another thing to keep in mind that most soft supple smooth braids are excellent for casting and using lures but SUCK for abrasion resistants. But a thicker stiffer wirey braid will hold much better but is absolute garbage for casting compared to a softer braid.
Thx Drew. Been using Suffix 832 for light tackle bream 6-10lb for years, it needs wearing in though, the coating makes it a bit stiff at first on small threadlines on the first session but is fantastic for limpness and general behaviour after that. Would love to know if the abrasion resistance of the lines remains the same after a few sessions in use as I reckon the coatings change.
I used to be a Power Pro fan, but years ago I saw a similar TH-cam video showing the abrasion resistance of Suffix 832... I've been using it ever since... great stuff
Really? I used to believe Power Pro was one of the best lines to fish off the rocks because of its abrasion resistance. This also stopped me from trying the new high end PE Japanese lines such as YGK and so on. But I'm definitely having a look at the 832. Cheers.
Excuse me my friend but your test doesn't make sense. Because you cannot test how strong a cord is by looking at how often you can twist it. This shows rather how bad a line is because we fish with a braided line because we don't want the line to stretch. So a cord can travel after 5 turns but carry 15 kilos while another cord can be turned 20 times but breaks at 3 kilos.
Kerion Connors I’ve been using Jarvis walker from Kmart for the last 2 years found it to be pretty dam good and for the price can’t fault I would happily keep buying it over the more expensive brand that I’ve used in the past.
good reviews thanks. SOmething extra to consider for my trip to Darwin, fingers crossed, in September. Is 20lb going to be enough for the Barra or would you go a bit heavier? Baitcaster or egg beater?
20-30 lbs is enough. But be sure to put at least 45lbs top shot (I use Schneider mono leader). Egg beater vs BC.. Personal preference. If you like to cast your lure into snags, BC. If you prefer distance, egg beater.
i mainly use 832 and j braid these days but years ago when i was broke i used ebay spectra stuff in 20lb, it wasn't smooth , the color leaked but definatly strong and abrasive resistant
Ive been using 832 suffux for surf fishing stripers here in the nrth Atlantic since it came out almost 10yrs ago when it was called suffix elite.with 40lb test your able to pullbass upto 30 pounds from barnacle infested boulders as long as you allow for slack when wrapped in rocks it will never chafe off.this vid made me fee good about spending the extra 5 bucks for suffix.i now use power pro v2 super slick and have the same luck🤙great video
Explain the difference in braid construction to the subs mate. Polyethylene and braided carrier lines and opposed to spun lines. Let em know why those lines did what they did. Worth a watch, I enjoyed seeing the results first hand.
Abrasion resistance out of the box is cool but I would like to see how they go once weathered. Braid can change alot after few good days use. Reckon that could affect outcomes
Thanks for doin this mate. 0.20mm kairiki is rated 17.1kg in europe while j braid grand 0.23mm PE#2.5 is rated 19.5kg, this might explain why kairiki is thinner. Thickness has a big effect on abrasion resistance. Man, that fins 20lb line is really thick, around PE#3.5 by my estimate, thicker than they claim, so no shock about that result. One thing you can do is weigh a length of line to find out weight per metre (or whatever unit you prefer), that will give you an idea of how much material is in each line.
so the "by far the thickest" has the most break strength/resistance. HUH well I'm shocked. might as well compare 25 or 30lb of one vs the '20lb' fins. my point being .254 IS the 30lb size of many lines - Fins is labeled 20 So that would be one of the worst lines.
Shimano Kariki is garbage. After 2 months of light fishing the coating falls off the line. I was disappointing in it as a shimano guy. I've been running Fins for years and i now see why :).
fireline, nanofil, power pro max quatro, cortland master, seagaur smackdown, and power pro. heck throw in spider wire. the most expensive braids vs everything you have tested and power pro the old standard.
I really love the "bloopers" mate. Pissed myself laughing. That should become your trademark. Your bloopers.lol When the video finished, I went to click back to You Tube and just caught the start of it. Good stuff.
@@willkitching.. G'day mate. How are you and Dad going ? I was hoping to get out soon and try some of your whiting tricks with the basaday lures. Haven't seen a video from you lately. Are you tied up with your Uni studies ? Some of the fellas are getting on to some bloody nice Mangrove jack. Have you watched any "Mylurebox" ? John sounds like a bloody nice bloke. Take care buddy, Cheers Graham
Hey bud, I just subscribed to your channel, not because of video but because of your ending bloopers. You are a nutcase. I find that izorline spectra braid works best for me. We down in Cali. Yeeman!
20lb is most popular to bye ? I used fins original in green 20lb for live bait last 10 years very good stuff but find it gets wind Knots straight out of the box on first couple times
Thanks for doing the tests. Only problem is that the line diameters stated on the box bear no semblance to reality. Neither do the breaking strains, quite often. American manufacturers especially completely understate the breaking strains (our 4 pound braid breaks at 10 pounds!) and diameters. Berkley X9 even has the gall to print separate specs for US, EU and Japan on the same box, all of which show different breaking strains and diameters for the exact same spool! Go figure
I used to always use Sufix until I was talked into trying out daiwa braids, haven't been very impressed. This video just confirms it. Just waiting to replace it all again with Sufix.
All I’ve ever used is the suffix 832 never had a break off holds knots excellent, only issue is that you can cut it with clippers gotta use scissors or a knife
Good presentation Mr Drew. Lines are wat makes or breaks yr catch of a lifetime. I'm not a utuber but I mostly use j braid. Maybe it's time to switch to fins...
Fly in the ointment. Sufix USA (Rapala) rate the braid different to Sufix EU, e.g. 20lb in EU is 0.15mm and in US is 0.23mm. Why? Because the US does a mono size equivalent rather than the actual breaking strain, whereas the EU uses real world expected breaking strain. What that means though is Sufix 20lb US rated (0.23mm) is more like 40lb real world breaking strain. Of course this ignore knots reducing breaking strength. It may explain slightly why the Shimano braid is so thin for it's rating (ie. true breaking strain). I find it funny how marketing in the US assumes the consumer is stupid and can't grasp the less can be more idea.
I disagree. Barra in standing timber, jacks around pylons, big bream in tight structure..you get a few rubs on the braid from time to time..better to have it and not need it then need it and not have it... especially with the Barra.
Need to throw some weights on them. I run the kariki stuff and i reckon its strong as. May not be as abrasive resistant but you can put the hurt on without snapping it
Literally never heard about any of these lines before other than j braid, the standard in America is definitely power pro 4 strand for saltwater and 8 for freshwater
Just like advertised breaking strenghts of braids, advertised braid diamerters are notoriously unreliable. You therefore need to measure each braid diameter, then conduct an abrasion test on each, then plot the results of braid dia v abrasion results.
I used to fish with fishing line from 20lbs, 50lbs to 200lbs the thick wire rope broke when my sardine was ambushed by big fish. Right now I only dare to use a minimum of 50lbs for saltwater fishing.
I use kariki too been usin it for a while now 6lb i do notice u dont get many wind knots at all with it. Cant say ive needed to fight a fish in heavy structure to test the abrasive
Daiwa J8 is a load of crap, and sadly I bought nearly 3 miles of the stuff because of all the great reviews of the stuff!!! In the UK the diameter to braking strain is different to Australia and the US aswell, I did a breaking strain test on a few braids Daiwa j8 was the worst along with power pro but my old favourite braid Berkley whiplash was one of the best and broke well above the stated braking strain every time
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Let me know which braids to test in part 2! Reply to this comment 👍
hows the highlight reel at the end hahah. Do you know what other testing you will do to the line in part 2?
Daiwa saltiga EX braid and Daiwa tournament evo 8 braid
Nomad Pandora ✌️
Tasline
Shimano ocea
Try doing the testing with wet lines
I’m ok with Drew being the new Mythbuster overlord.
Part 3 - Leader review.
The main problem with most braids is wind knots though... would like to see a test on that, most of the advice is anecdotal... (I know you mentioned this limitation but I reckon we can come up with a way).
Suffix is what I run up here in Canada for steelhead and king salmon, never lets me down! Great video thanks Drew.
Hey Drew. Another awesome video! I think you should definitely do round two, but share more of the data on each of the braids. You should make a comparison chart so people can compare the best abrasion resistance vs the braid diameter/PE rating, strand count and price. This will also seperate thicker/lower strand braids to more finesse/higher strand braids. Would also love to see some cheap vs high-end braids tested like: Verivas, Diawa Saltiga and Toray. Either way, keep it up man!
Woww sufix 👍🏻 I’m using Sufix x8 PE3 yellow and so far is the best 👍🏻
Yes I have use that, it's pretty good 👍
Dont take the breaking strain or thickness of any berkley line for a bar of soap 🤦♂️ this 9x braid might be a different story but it doesn’t take a scientist to figure out that it isnt what it says it is. Really good video and very interesting results. I would love to see you test out some of the higher quality braids like varivas and tas line and see how they hold up. But another thing to keep in mind that most soft supple smooth braids are excellent for casting and using lures but SUCK for abrasion resistants. But a thicker stiffer wirey braid will hold much better but is absolute garbage for casting compared to a softer braid.
Thx Drew. Been using Suffix 832 for light tackle bream 6-10lb for years, it needs wearing in though, the coating makes it a bit stiff at first on small threadlines on the first session but is fantastic for limpness and general behaviour after that. Would love to know if the abrasion resistance of the lines remains the same after a few sessions in use as I reckon the coatings change.
"Just a Fuckin idiot talkin to meself in the fuckin shed" 😂😂😂 this is why youre my favourite youtuber 🤙
I used to be a Power Pro fan, but years ago I saw a similar TH-cam video showing the abrasion resistance of Suffix 832... I've been using it ever since... great stuff
Really? I used to believe Power Pro was one of the best lines to fish off the rocks because of its abrasion resistance. This also stopped me from trying the new high end PE Japanese lines such as YGK and so on. But I'm definitely having a look at the 832. Cheers.
Hey Drew maybe try the abrasion test with the braids wet as its in the water when you get dusted, just a thought, very surprising outcome good stuff,
Fu+king trucks !!
Thanks for sharing the abrasion tests. Just curious, did you change a new set of sandpaper for each brand of braid?
My friend, when the strong test for this braids??
YGK g-soul x4. X8. Major craft dangan pe x4. X8
Shimano Kairiki braid is absolute garbage when it comes to abrasion resistance
Excuse me my friend but your test doesn't make sense. Because you cannot test how strong a cord is by looking at how often you can twist it. This shows rather how bad a line is because we fish with a braided line because we don't want the line to stretch. So a cord can travel after 5 turns but carry 15 kilos while another cord can be turned 20 times but breaks at 3 kilos.
Yes. Testing abrasion resistant.
crimson?
How good is gosen jigging ? Everyone seems to be raving about it
Can you test the buku cast x12 braid
U need to test an indonesian brand, Relix Nusantara Jabrik
Sufix, first ever braid I've used, yet to find anything that compares. The Sufix 131 is incredible
sufix max pro are good?
Your vids are far more than a bloke talking to himself in a f#cking shed... 🤣 Keep up the great work mate 😉😊👍🏼
Would be interesting to see how the cheap Jarvis walker braid measures up against the rest.
Kerion Connors I’ve been using Jarvis walker from Kmart for the last 2 years found it to be pretty dam good and for the price can’t fault I would happily keep buying it over the more expensive brand that I’ve used in the past.
@@tommygun2050 I've been using it for about the same amount of time. And I have found it to be amazing for the price.
Kerion Connors yeah when I see it on special for $8-10 I always grab a few rolls it’s good stuff.
Hercules Braids and Beyond braids
Is Hercules braid any good
The sign off and bloopers were definitely the best part. Fkn mint 👌🏾
Platypus Pretest and Spiderwire up to 24kg please 🇦🇺✝ the platypus is my fave as its Aus obviously By the way Good vid mate Keep em coming 😘
Mate keep the bloopers 😆 🤙🏻
I’ve always used sufix braid but it fades way too fast. Idk if they sell PowerPro outside the US but I use SuperSlick V2 now and I love it.
I've always ran bionic but recently went to the Shimano kariki or whatever it is 😕 may have to re think that move lol
varivas avani line
I until yesterday thought I loved the Shimano Kairiki briad you've got me switching
How different does it feel talking to yourself in a shed vs on a boat? 🤣
Same same haha
Sufix for the win! Best diameter (on par) and a close 2nd for abrasion resistance. Fins for reef fishing though, no doubt.
good reviews thanks. SOmething extra to consider for my trip to Darwin, fingers crossed, in September. Is 20lb going to be enough for the Barra or would you go a bit heavier? Baitcaster or egg beater?
20-30 lbs is enough. But be sure to put at least 45lbs top shot (I use Schneider mono leader).
Egg beater vs BC.. Personal preference. If you like to cast your lure into snags, BC. If you prefer distance, egg beater.
nomad design pandora braid
i mainly use 832 and j braid these days but years ago when i was broke i used ebay spectra stuff in 20lb, it wasn't smooth , the color leaked but definatly strong and abrasive resistant
Ive been using 832 suffux for surf fishing stripers here in the nrth Atlantic since it came out almost 10yrs ago when it was called suffix elite.with 40lb test your able to pullbass upto 30 pounds from barnacle infested boulders as long as you allow for slack when wrapped in rocks it will never chafe off.this vid made me fee good about spending the extra 5 bucks for suffix.i now use power pro v2 super slick and have the same luck🤙great video
Shimano pitbull!
Siglon and tasline. Another that would be interesting is jbraid 4x
Kast king. Power pro
Would love to see Berkley nanofil
Major craft braid is the worst I recon 14lb breaks at 6lb
I haven't tried it but lots of people recommend it so will get it for round 2
I use sunline siglon
Have had fins on at least 80% of my reels for probably more than 15 years, no wonder I haven’t changed it! Great vid Drew, love your work
Sufix 832 is one of the best braid I have used.I put that on every reel I have.
Nomad Pandora braid
would like to see a leader edition
In the works mate
Explain the difference in braid construction to the subs mate. Polyethylene and braided carrier lines and opposed to spun lines. Let em know why those lines did what they did. Worth a watch, I enjoyed seeing the results first hand.
Abrasion resistance out of the box is cool but I would like to see how they go once weathered. Braid can change alot after few good days use. Reckon that could affect outcomes
Not a reliable enough test. Would have to somehow weather each line the same without bias..too much human error.
Thanks for doin this mate. 0.20mm kairiki is rated 17.1kg in europe while j braid grand 0.23mm PE#2.5 is rated 19.5kg, this might explain why kairiki is thinner. Thickness has a big effect on abrasion resistance. Man, that fins 20lb line is really thick, around PE#3.5 by my estimate, thicker than they claim, so no shock about that result. One thing you can do is weigh a length of line to find out weight per metre (or whatever unit you prefer), that will give you an idea of how much material is in each line.
Sufix and fins was a big surprise 😱
Did you change the sandpaper after each line test?
so the "by far the thickest" has the most break strength/resistance. HUH well I'm shocked. might as well compare 25 or 30lb of one vs the '20lb' fins.
my point being .254 IS the 30lb size of many lines - Fins is labeled 20 So that would be one of the worst lines.
I love suffix
Nice!!! part 2 can we see pandora braid from Nomad see how that gos
Shimano Kariki is garbage. After 2 months of light fishing the coating falls off the line. I was disappointing in it as a shimano guy. I've been running Fins for years and i now see why :).
Now.. 832 is the best??
No Power Pro?
G’day Drew
Can you test Sunline. Castaway? I use this on all of my bait casters.. Fantastic casting line and appears to be good knot strength..
fireline, nanofil, power pro max quatro, cortland master, seagaur smackdown, and power pro. heck throw in spider wire. the most expensive braids vs everything you have tested and power pro the old standard.
saltiga 12
I really love the "bloopers" mate. Pissed myself laughing. That should become your trademark. Your bloopers.lol
When the video finished, I went to click back to You Tube and just caught the start of it. Good stuff.
I agree Graham 😂
Just reminder that you can't click off too soon 😉
@@willkitching.. G'day mate. How are you and Dad going ? I was hoping to get out soon and try some of your whiting tricks with the basaday lures. Haven't seen a video from you lately. Are you tied up with your Uni studies ? Some of the fellas are getting on to some bloody nice Mangrove jack. Have you watched any "Mylurebox" ? John sounds like a bloody nice bloke. Take care buddy,
Cheers
Graham
Hey bud, I just subscribed to your channel, not because of video but because of your ending bloopers. You are a nutcase. I find that izorline spectra braid works best for me. We down in Cali. Yeeman!
Sunline???
20lb is most popular to bye ? I used fins original in green 20lb for live bait last 10 years very good stuff but find it gets wind Knots straight out of the box on first couple times
Power pro
Power Pro Braid only because they have bulk spools in Anaconda stores with their line spooling service
I also love the majorcraft Dangan braid that you talked about
Yep it is on the list for part 2
powerpro
Sunline
Nice
Thanks for doing the tests. Only problem is that the line diameters stated on the box bear no semblance to reality. Neither do the breaking strains, quite often. American manufacturers especially completely understate the breaking strains (our 4 pound braid breaks at 10 pounds!) and diameters. Berkley X9 even has the gall to print separate specs for US, EU and Japan on the same box, all of which show different breaking strains and diameters for the exact same spool! Go figure
Switched all my spools to braid because I'm fed up with line memory. Leaders will do fine
tasline
There is an obvious relationship between the thickness and abrasion resistance here. Please do a comparison of different brands at the same thickness.
J braid and suffix is what i use for many years and it never let me down
Live in the tropics snag bashing every trip. Please try Tasline hasn’t let me down but keen to see how it compares.
I used to always use Sufix until I was talked into trying out daiwa braids, haven't been very impressed. This video just confirms it. Just waiting to replace it all again with Sufix.
have you ever used sufix max pro?
All I’ve ever used is the suffix 832 never had a break off holds knots excellent, only issue is that you can cut it with clippers gotta use scissors or a knife
Good presentation Mr Drew. Lines are wat makes or breaks yr catch of a lifetime. I'm not a utuber but I mostly use j braid. Maybe it's time to switch to fins...
sir how about power pro or daiwa samurai or varivas or yozuri braid. thanks
Ever thought about doing a sounder video, what you use and how you read it??
Just a thought
great vid mate, very helpful
Fly in the ointment. Sufix USA (Rapala) rate the braid different to Sufix EU, e.g. 20lb in EU is 0.15mm and in US is 0.23mm. Why? Because the US does a mono size equivalent rather than the actual breaking strain, whereas the EU uses real world expected breaking strain. What that means though is Sufix 20lb US rated (0.23mm) is more like 40lb real world breaking strain. Of course this ignore knots reducing breaking strength. It may explain slightly why the Shimano braid is so thin for it's rating (ie. true breaking strain). I find it funny how marketing in the US assumes the consumer is stupid and can't grasp the less can be more idea.
Abrasion resistance is almost pointless use a leader
I disagree. Barra in standing timber, jacks around pylons, big bream in tight structure..you get a few rubs on the braid from time to time..better to have it and not need it then need it and not have it... especially with the Barra.
I've always used the original finns👌 great video mate and bloopers 😂😂😂
Need to throw some weights on them. I run the kariki stuff and i reckon its strong as. May not be as abrasive resistant but you can put the hurt on without snapping it
Literally never heard about any of these lines before other than j braid, the standard in America is definitely power pro 4 strand for saltwater and 8 for freshwater
Just like advertised breaking strenghts of braids, advertised braid diamerters are notoriously unreliable. You therefore need to measure each braid diameter, then conduct an abrasion test on each, then plot the results of braid dia v abrasion results.
Daiwa Saltiga 12, YGK Full drag, 2019 Shimano Oceanarium EX8 - PE3 And PE4 sizes
I used to fish with fishing line from 20lbs, 50lbs to 200lbs the thick wire rope broke when my sardine was ambushed by big fish. Right now I only dare to use a minimum of 50lbs for saltwater fishing.
I use kariki too been usin it for a while now 6lb i do notice u dont get many wind knots at all with it. Cant say ive needed to fight a fish in heavy structure to test the abrasive
Daiwa J8 is a load of crap, and sadly I bought nearly 3 miles of the stuff because of all the great reviews of the stuff!!! In the UK the diameter to braking strain is different to Australia and the US aswell, I did a breaking strain test on a few braids Daiwa j8 was the worst along with power pro but my old favourite braid Berkley whiplash was one of the best and broke well above the stated braking strain every time
What are you doing with all these braids. Got any you wanna giveaway 😂
Hey Drew, cheers for the vid man its really informative, I think I might swap some reels over to suffix 832 and fins.
Hey drew, could you please do pandora for pt 2 🙏 thanks heaps mate.