How To Make The Edelbrock Carb REALLY Work For You
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- The Carter/Edelbrock AFB and AVS carburetors are decent right out of the box, but learning to tune their fuel metering system will make them really come alive.
It's easier than you think! Here's how.
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I had no idea about the secondaries drying out like that. I thought I had a tuning issue. Your the bomb Tony.
With them when you clean out rev you are actually priming instead of unloading.
I just learned that aswell always wondered why first run of the night the old girl would usually fall on her face
same here, now i know i questioned if my secondary's were even working
I didn't know this either. I always wondered why my Duster had that occasional stumble. I no longer have the car which I kind of regreted the Edelbrock instead of the Holley. I knew how to tune a Holley but not the Edelbrock. I had a well warmed 360 in it, ran well but I knew there was more in it but didn't know how to get it. Thanks Tony, I learn something from every one of your videos.
Wow, all you folks here with the mystery AVS issues. I understand and was always happy to educate my customers like you all. They were happy too, to finally know they didn't have (or buy) a junk carburetor. The word of mouth business I got back from people like you was fantastic, thank you!
Tony's the greatest right?
I HAVE 2 650 AVS THUNDER SERIES ON A 496 MOTOR IN MY V-DRIVE BOAT EVERYONE SAID THEY WOULDNT WORK BUT ONCE I LEARNED HOW TO TUNE THEM THEY ARE SO RELIABLE I LOVE THEM.
Best Video I have ever seen on these carbs! well done , no music no bashing just straight up useful info , I am new to edlebrock and wondered why it would fall on its face on the first secondary opening after days of sitting thanks for the info
That secondary circuit was news to me. Thank you for that. I watched you lift that step up spring with the metering rod, that was beautiful! Once again a terrific video and I've always liked these carburetors, the first AFB my father put on our 1968 Chrysler 300 in place of the original Holley back in 1971 was a real eye opener. Keep making your great videos!
Thank You!!! For 30+ years I've always heard stay away from these carbs, that tuning them was as complicated as rewiring a house. You showed that it is easy as changing a light bulb...
Thermoquad is still my choice for best all-around carburetor.
Even the old mopar tuning articles had thermoquad and manifold combo tuning secrets.
I saw one that had tuning secrets for an STR with a spreadbore top and TQ for drag racing. Apparently almost nothing made more power on a 440 bar a dual quad tunnel ram with 2x 660s (all things being equal).
@@ThePaulv12 Back in the '90s I put (2) 850cfm Thermoquads on a tunnel ram 440 stroked and poked to 500cid.. Dyno'd around 750hp on track tune, and I tuned it back to 650-675hp for cruising. I completely rebuilt and retuned them for the application, and made my own progressive linkage. Ran on rear carb's primaries upto 1/4 throttle, then front carb's primaries were completely open at 1/2 throttle, then both carbs' secondaries opened together.
I got rather decent mileage as long as I kept my foot out of the floorboard. Full throttle it would suck in low flying planes.
Yes, the better Mopar tuners knew the TQ was good carb, too many other guys pulled them off and went to Holleys.
Agreed. 13 of them sits in my barn including an original offenhauser 2x 4 barrel,dual plane, spread bore intake made for the quad.
Love the sound of a thermoquad
Definitely a awesome street carb, had 1 on my Olds 350 and Chevy 350, never left me stranded. I actually had the Carter AFB back in 1990- identical
Always Welcome advice.. Thanks Always Uncle Tony.. learning is growing.. Oi oi oi..
Thanks for pointing out how great these carbs are, most overlook and go straight to Holley.
You explained things simple and to the point. Exactly what I needed. Checking out your other videos after this. Very helpful. Thanks!!
I use Stabil 360 marine formula in the fuel to avoid problems with ethanol blended fuel. It will also slow fuel evaporation! I have used it for years and I have never had any problems.
Learned a lot in under 10 min. Thanks man
your awesome i just discovered your site , i have a edelbrock 1406 in my 76 nova ,with stock 305 but it runs bad have hard time setting fuel air mixture and its boggish , love how you easily explain things
Nothing wrong for an edlebrock they’re simple and work good
Hey tony
I have a 390 galaxie with a melling cam. I think it’s what was called an rv cam back in the day. Edelbrock aluminum intake so I think the cam is an mtf2, just a mild upgrade. I have an ollllld cater 4 brl, man. secondary carb but I don’t know where 2 start with the jets, metering rods & springs ? I really like how you explained how to check it when it’s running. Also thank you for the discussion on the accelerator pump holes. Thank you, Richard
The biggest problems I see here in Socal is the accel circuit gets plugged and engine wont start without a squirt of gas. After cleaning out passages, i leave out the brass 'weight' that goes on top of ball [under the squirters] The ball sticks in its bore with the weight on it. This again has to do with the fuels, probably more so here in California!
These are carbs are also great at making your engine stall going around corners and stopping hard
Thanks for the bogging tip. I was going crazy.
Excellent video!! Thanks
My 1967 ford 289 has an edelbrock 650 cfm but it’s not quite running right. It bogs down at low rpm and then really starts to pull around 2500 rpm. It won’t even squeal the tires from a standing start. Could this be a carb issue?
Tony
Thanks for explaining. I have a sbc with easel rock 1406 with electric choke and I am trying to get the best fuel economy possible. What can I do to jets or whatever to limit amount of fuel usage.
I live at 5k elevation. Thanks in advance
Scott
Thank you! Great video
My 350 has a crane Energizer 274 cam runs good till I floor it than it smothers out it has a new edelbrock 600 any ideas I changed the vacum advance on dist new fuel pump new fuel filter
could you slam it in neutral to refill the bowl?
I have a question. I have a 600 cfm edelbrock on a stock 350. If I let it sit for a couple of day's, pump it three times and then start cold. It will run for a couple seconds and stall. Pump it once more and restart it runs fine? Any thoughts on adjusting so it won't stall?
Wow thank you
I have an Edelbrock carb and it is running very very rich what would you suggest looking at first?
Check that neither of the metering rods are bent and both are seated in the jets. If those look ok, pop the top and lower the float height a tad
Properly explained as usual, no stupid distracting background music that's why he's one of the best!
Background music is everywhere, driving me crazy. ( crazier)
He should edit the sound from the lights
And Speaks ENGLISH
Mind you , Quiet Riot's "Metal Health" would almost be appropriate. :)
I hate music in videos too
Uncle Tony does it again I've never seen anybody explain how to tune carburetors like this ever
Glad that I’m not the only guy that likes an edelbrock. They just work.
holley's work too
Very few people understand Holleys too. It's rare to meet one who really understands them.
A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.
Until they don't. Aluminum carbs do not age well and actually change their tune as they corrode inside. In a dry environment they are fine. In an wet or humid environment, these seem to corrode and give major headaches after a short run time. Tony has not had to change out several of these that were no longer responding to tune it seems. For him to say that the reputation these have is because nobody can tune them is nonsense. And if they are that much harder to tune than a Holley....Anyway. Give me a 1965 AFB any day. A non corroded one that is. I had corroded AFB troubles back in the 1990's on a 1965 Buick Sportwagon with a 300. To deny this massive manufacturing failure is just fanboy shit. These carbs do not last like ANY zinc carb.
@@hyperluminalreality1 I have a 800avs on a fairly wild 383 Chev. I'm live in Ontario Canada. I've had it for over ten years and never had a problem
@@hueroski yes and much better
I agree Tony they are the simplest carbs. Witch means less things to go wrong. No rubber power valves or leaking bowl gaskets.
Holley is the worst for leaky seals
However, a Holly with a double pump mechanical secondary tuned properly will out perform Edlebrock. Night and day.
@@hackfreehvac your right but the edelbrock is almost trouble free
Uncle Tony....A Waffle House hat??? You're a southerner now..... From White Castle to Waffle House... you've made the transition!!! Lol 😎😁 👍
love my triple scattered, smothered and covered. Best damn shit in the U.S.
@@davidmiller9485 lol that's the truth
I'm nominating Uncle Tony for sainthood on his carburetor explanations alone. If the powers that be are grease monkeys, he's a shoe in.
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I actually thought my carb was leaking gas out overnight, did not it was just evaporating.
Michael Sammy phenolic spacer helps them a lot!!!! They hate heat!!
The Edelbrock and Holley’s are both excellent , I’ve had numerous variations over the years . Again thanks again Uncle Tony , your channel is a breath of fresh air for us real backyard / driveway knuckle busters . Cheers
Another great set of details . Ty
"Breaking News" ....
No carburetors were harmed in the making of this video !
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It's amazing that no one talks about the biggest drivability improvement which is the wire into the air bleed trick which makes these run like EFI buy eliminating the lean area just off idle in the transfer slot range which is NOT affected by metering rod, spring or jet changes
Your suggestion of opening the cover and watching the plunger bob was a game changer! Now I KNOW I have the correct step up spring. You sir, are amazing. Thank you!!!!
The Carter/Edelbrock is my favorite too they are so simple and always reliable
A Quadra-Jet can be too if you understand it right.
Wow! And that's even after you threw it around everywhere.
Yeah lol
I love the Edelbrock carb. My shelf in the shop has a few sitting on it that I got for free or peanuts... because the guy I got it from said "it's a POS..and I'll never get one again...their loss has been my gain...user friendly for a young hot rodder because if you pick the right size it will give you good results right out the box.
Yes sir.👍
$100 will still get you a new take off POS.
LOL
Been my favorite since 1960. 👍👍
The reason is that Holley power valves are either on or off.
Edelbrock rods move proportionately by the springs.
Original AVS (RoadRunners etc) had 3 step rods.
Wish I could find some old Quadra-Jet carbs like that since people talk so much shit about them.
many people hate these because they can't tune em. they think turning the idle mixture screws is "tuning"... I personally love them because they give you no trouble once you have the right jets and metering rods in them for your application. and they're not elevation sensitive... not as much anyway.
I like the quadrajet for daily driver.
Better mileage than a two barrel... if you can keep your foot out of it : ]
@@TheCanadianBubba Yes I replaced the 2 barrel on my 76 nova 305/turbo 350 with a quadrajet carb/manifold off a 73 350. more power but mileage went up to 25 highway.
That secondary kick is awesome in those Qjets
@@RedBanksClassics- Baw-whah !
@@TheCanadianBubba exactly!👍
1:01 "The ultimate sweetness". No, that would be the Thermoquad. :)
the Thermoquad was a good carb love the sound when the secondary's open up
Yes I always had good service with them.
79tazman that vacuum cleaner sound lol I miss that!
@@79tazman Me, too. Kinda like storm drains.
Yes the thermoquad was a good carb, until the phenolic center warped.
I've used many of these. Great carbs. A couple of dual setups, but never knew about the empty secondary bowl stumble issue. I'm 53 and still learning. Another great thing about these carbs, no gaskets below float level. So no leaks. Great video, thanks!
Man just the wealth of knowledge that this man has is staggering.
The AFB's were overlooked because they looked to simple to work so everyone went for the " had to better " more complicated Holley band wagon. I've run AFBs on street in dual quad configuration since the mid 60s, easy to flog on the go. Have a nice pair of Holley 650's for MY 360 tribute build of Dad's '74 D100 shorty stepside. FYI Carter manufactured AFBs for marine use. The primaries and secondaries are the same size,4 big holes. I found mine in used marine salvage yards.
Funny thing about that is I'm pretty sure afb/edlebrock's actually have more moving parts then a Holley which is probably the main reason the Holley design won out in drag racing. Either carb is simple to mess with. Hell, they make externally adjustable jets for Holley if you can't be bothered to drain the bowls and remove 4-8 screws to change jets.
@@177SCmaro Yup if your schooled in all that but most aren't. Chill dude Never said one was better than the other.
@@peacfulseas Neither did I. I pointed out its funny to me if the perception of Holley was "more parts, more better" since they're actually simpler carburetors.
@@177SCmaro I have experience with both,run both. While the AFBs might have more moving parts(?) tuning a Holley for the novice is far more complicated. Power valves,secondary vacuum springs. None of which the AFBs have and are more forgiving when making changes that don't require a complete teardown. UT,UC channel is aimed mostly aimed at beginners but I'm never too old to learn from anyone with experience.
@@peacfulseas
You can get both carburetors with or without secondary air valves/springs and the power valve is mechanically simpler then metering rods (although more of a pain to get to but can be deleted for racing). My main beef with, at least Edelbrock's, is their crappy/inconsistent accelerator pump design which fucked me out of many a race with the infamous random "Edelbrock stumble" at the line.
Other than that I found them to be fine carburetors. Great for the street. Ran one on my pickup for years. But when I go racing it's a Holley double pumper-style or nothing.
thanks for the great school on this carb.
You are 100% right about guys trash talking Edelbrock carbs because they know nothing about them. Most of them have tried one and didn't know you can't run more than 5.5 lbs of fuel pressure or it leaks gas all over the engine. I have a Carter muscle car series fuel pump designed to work with an Edelbrock carb that has a max pressure of 5.5 lbs and only drops to 5 lbs at full throttle!
Thank you! That was a good breakdown.
I'm an ls guy, but man your videos make me want to keep my old sbc and build it! Awesome content.
Just be aware, they are assembled to run lean, so you will need the tuning kit. Great advice as usual.
True... if I didnt add a o2 sensor to my new motor build I probably would have had a melt down in a week. Love the avs2 tho
My experience has been the opposite here at ~4,500' above sea level. Usually have to at least change metering rods, but usually 1 or two sizes smaller primary jet and 1 smaller or no secondary jet size.
100% YES.
I put one on out of the box, ran it maybe 2 miles, and the plugs are LEAN - very light brown.
I prefer these carbs for street use on a square port intake. On a spread bore, a good pre computer controlled Q-get, or a Thermoquad that has not been cracked. I find that these carbs are also prone to boiling the fuel in the carb and are sensitive to fuel pressure. A heat shield under the carb works wonders, and keep your fuel pressure to 4-5 psi and they are a set them and forget them carb that will work flawlessly for years.
fuel pressure is key, holleys like more than the Eddys for sure! great tip!
You want to find the sweetness?
Finds a Quadrajet. 😆
I agree! I love the Q-jet. When those giant secondary manholes open up, hang on!!
I agree, my favorite carb is a q-jet. Easy to work and easy to tune. After that it is the edlebrock.
As a teenager, my dad and I ran a Holley on a 67 mustang for a couple of years; it felt like it was always a science experiment to keep running nicely. Moved to Edelbrock and it was an absolute breeze; literally ran the thing for 20 years without opening the carb up (not recommended). Two years ago, I replaced with another edelbrock and it was a breeze to get tunes again. For street and convenience, I would choose these over Holley all day long.
I'm going through this now with my Holley. Nothing but a nightmare and too much of a hassle to deal with the powervalves and everything inside the freaking float bowl 😒 plus it's developing so many common Holley leaks
Switching to Edelbrock!! I just don't want the hassle anymore lol
Never knew you could watch the metering rods when the car was running - makes sense though. I need to try that.
It makes absolutely no logical sense to change metering rods or sprins while it's running. Serves no useful purpose what so ever. Just because you can, doesn't mean you need to or should.
Uncle tony I don’t know much about carbs but does this one work like the ones you told me to just take off my dungaree jacket and throw it on top to put out the fire or does this type not do that I never really minded the occasional fires but I lost some of my favorite jackets
I swear by edelbrocks and constantly fight with my neighbor about which is better the edelbrock on my mopar or Holley on his ford 🤷🏻♂️
The difference between the AFB and the AVzs is that the vacuum secondaries on the AFB are counterweighted, and the AVS are sprung. That means the AVS is adjustable, the AFB isn’t, unless you want to remove weigh from the counterweights. I’ve never seen that done, but in theory it should work. But I wouldn’t try it unless I had a second air valve to replace the one I tried to modify, in case I s rowed things up. I’m not even sure where to remove weight. The best way to do that would be to drill it out. Or, if the carb is too big for the engine you might try adding weight to the counterweights. Ut the. You have to find a metal that is heavier than the metal the counterweights are made out of, drill out the counterweights and somehow replace that mass with heavier metal. You’d be better off finding an AVS. I think the HolleyDemon carb is their take on an AVS. Ok, I was partially wrong. Edelbrock was selling AFB’s but now sell what they call the AVS2. Holley sells an updated version of the AVS. Tossed with a Thermoquad. Both carbs would be worth looking into for a street or stret strip engine. Of course if you found an original carb of either type, whet I sad holds true. Have fun!
I have a 1969 Carter afb that was given to me. Guy said he gave up on it years ago. Put on my car and sure enough, it was bad. Found out one air screw was bent and I used dye and it showed it wasn't sweating. Well, I knew edlebrock took over and all components same.......or so everybody thinks. I order new screw and found out...nope, screw wont fit. Smaller and different threads. So I learned not all components are same between the 2. Jets, rods , springs all interchange but 2 air screws different. So too both screws and carb to friends machine shop and he chucked them into lathe and tried them both perfect and dyed them both and now seat perfect.
Oh sweet cool I have to figure out how I’m gonna get mine set it up for my Buick 350 so I appreciate this video
LunarOutlaw’s Garage keep In kind Buick’s LOVE CFMs... it’s crazy but true. I had a stock 72 BUICK GS 350 and put a 750 on it and she WOKE up big time. Can’t do it on the chevys but Buick’s go big.
SCcarguy Ever since I started this project I gained a real appreciation for Buick engines. This was originally a Buick for55 stage one but at some point over 40 years ago they switched it over whether they blew the engine up or something I don’t know. Now has a high compression 350 and SP block. But they never go out together so just trying to sort it out
Buick Olds and Pontiac are all the same they run great with a 750cfm
Alllll my old Chrysler’s have Carters on them. Have never been a Holley fan
I was going to put holley on my 01 360 magnum, but they did not have an intake for me so edelbrock sold me on both 7757 RPM AirGap intake manifold, phenolic wood 1/2in spacer and 650cfm 4bbl manual choke 1905 carb. Runs better then I could have dreamed for, and the best part-it's SIMPLE
youre a genius! Ive always wondered why my edelbrock in my D150 stumbled when I dipped into the secondaries for the first time during a drive. Especially after it sits for a few days. Definitely subscribing!
I'm 25, and new to cars. My dream is to own a classic car, but I've always heard about carburetors, and how people don't like them. They don't seem that bad. It seems like one of those things people blow outta proportion
I would take any carburetor over any injected setup any day #neverstranded
Touche'... but not a lot of mechanically injected daily drivers out there... and most of the street versions would have electronic pumps at least as backup
Wow Tony! Excellent info about the secondary circuit going dry. My edlebrock does exactly what you said, it falls on its face the first time I nail it to the floor, but after that it’s all good. Now I know why, thanks!
I always liked my edelbrock carbs, biggest problem I've had with them is worn out throttle shafts. The holleys, in my experience, always seemed to last longer.
That's my biggest problem, it would go lean transitioning into the secondary and surge no matter how i jetted it. 800cfm version.
Carters are cheap and he even said so. And are for people with little understanding of carbs. Holleys are for people that know how to tune an engine . They are better built.
Another thing a holley just looks way better.
Chris Montreuil Agree 100%. But they are huge. Definitely not low profile.
😈🔱👿.. To me its like this.. If yoy really like rebuilding carbs and gas flooding all over engine.. Then deff get a HOLLY.. If you dont like these things and want a Dependable Carb get a Edelbrock
My Edlebrock was plug and play for my car. Never had a problem with it the whole time I owned it.
Uncle Tony you give the best clarity in your tutorials. I'm always impressed with how easy you make understanding things! Thank you for the bother in making these wonderful videos.
Thank you !! I learned something today. You actually taught me something about these!!
Thx again.
Very informative Grewt video
What's your take on thurmoquad ?
Great carbs
Club that's what it is to make performance but you know I can make any carb and I got hundreds of them different kinds I could there's no problem with making him up work it cost money though that's my problem and nobody like you or anybody that's got money want to pay me to make a good carb so you know Adam Hunter carbs that I got you know you wouldn't believe the side drafts and you wouldn't believe all these other carbs but tell the Brock has got to be the best one on the top table right now you go out and buy and it works no matter what at all of them besides a demon TQ that works great to you know for the gas we got the Run what do you want who the hell do you think you are oh yeah I got a homie in all this airplane carburetors I don't really give a damn what you telling me I know what I work with I've been working like Tony every J not collect up a whole bunch of s*** every freaking day I don't give a damn what you say I collect up and I never throw away my junk my junk is better than your new stuff so don't bother me
*^^^ DAFUQ DID HE SAY?!* 🤔🙄😂😂😂
@@paulallison6689 that's one hell of a run on sentence.
340 'Cuda My 3 Holly's ran like dog shit 90% of the time & good/ok 10% of the rest.
My Carter runs Good All the time & Great 10% of that.
PS A Day of Great Joy was Sledge Hammering all 3 Hollies to Death, metering blocks & all
I used to run one of those on a hemi 265
I have a 1406 600cfm w/ performer 390 intake on my 1975 F-100 4x4 with a 360. Takes some figuring out but I like the carb!
I'm glad Waffle House gave you time off to make this video.
My manager is a peach
@@UncleTonysGarage And a sense of humor to boot!
Your cool Tony but that shit was funny . As soon as i read it i couldn't help but picture it lol i haven't thought about a waffle house in years since Ft Benning but you'd fit the bill 🤣😂😅 .
I'm currently running a 600 Holley and it's pretty good once it's adjusted right. I keep thinking about throwing the Edelbrock from my other car on there just for simplicity. The main reason I don't is I'm trying to sell that car and the Holley won't work with the spread bore manifold. Plus the electric choke is nice.
Preaching to the choir I had one on my 84 Buick LeSabre with a 70s Cutlass Oldsmobile rocket 350 Ran amazing for 240,000 miles not saying I did not tuned or work on the daily but it was a passion.
I don't know why people are always talking so much shit about these carbs I've had one on my 440 for 10 years now and have never had any problems with it thanks for posting
Ask and you shall receive! Lol! Thanks Uncle Tony. Now I'll have a guide to set mine up.
Had an AFB sitting on the shelf along with QJet. Car a bought had a leaky Holly. Grabbed the AFB and bolted it on. Ran fine and idled great; no adjustments. Bought a kit because it was sitting quite a while and will be rebuilding it soon. Q jets are great carbs too. Holly's seam to be more work to set up.
As I've never had an Edlebrock Carb and am acquiring my first one! GREAT INFO! Thnx!
I have to agree, the Edelbrock carbs are very simple and great carbs. They're just plain reliable.
They work great! I have one on my car, haven’t had to touch it since 2004.
Thanks Tony, I haven't been able to work since 2009. I'd stopped thinking about this stuff and thought I'd actually forgotten things. For 20 years before that people thought I was magic on tuning & carbs, even other mechanics, just because I knew the tips you talked about! Carter's are the bomb for a street car and people hated them cause nobody understood how to tune them, so I got tons of happy customers and had a blast. Thanks for reminding me! 👍😁
I have a Holley and an Edelbrock on my 460 Fords, Eelbrock carb starts and runs better.
Awesome Uncle Tony《☆》I need to get one of those tuning kits🤓☻🤠🚥🚥🚥🍃🍂🍁🌲
My favorite carb too Tony. They work so good it feels like fuel injection sometimes.
great carb! nicely done! peace
Been years since I tuned these things but your KISS explanation is spot on Tony, Thanks for the refresher .
Thanks TONY very well explained!
I noticed this with my edlebrock on my other truck if I turn it off and let it sit all day it’s bone dry and has to turn over for a minute
Love the channel, Uncle Tony! My best to Uncle Kathy!
I had a '59 Studebaker wagon running a Carter on the 289, she flew!!
I love my edelbrock. I'm not much of a carb tuner, so it's nice when the work well out of the box.
Have had no issues with my edelbrock, easy to tune as well. Thanks Uncle Tony!
Me too since the day I bought it new pulled it out of the box and fired the car up it ran great even the air fuel was damn near right on out of the box never gave me a issue at all
I have a Carter AFB 625 CFM on my 40 year old Dodge B300. I don't think it's original to my vehicle. I've had absolutely no trouble after it sat for over 30 years. The carburetor you are holding is an exact replica of mine. I've learned so much about carburetors from you thanks to your no-nonsense way of explaining it. Thank you so much!
just found your videos . i like them , been looking at a few and sub to you. keep up the good work.
Man I love how you explain carburetors!
great video. this would have saved me some embarrassment in high school. AFB Carter on my GS455 stage 1 and edelbrock on my s10. always loved these carbs.
Thanks uncle Tony, just what I need for my ElCamino.